IndexTAG: 0 TitleTAG: [FROM PROF. NAGY] Important message about assessments and certificates The whole team and I have noticed that some of you have worries about the first two exercises. We are getting the impression that some of you are starting to fear that these exercises may hurt your chances at earning a certificate for participating. But there is nothing to fear. For me and for the whole team, and we think also for you, the most important thing is what you learn from this course, not what "grade" you get — and we are not going to give grades, only certificates. What all of us - including the teachers of the course - need to learn and to keep on learning is how to "read out" of Greek literature, not "read into" it. We also want you to figure out how to do it, and learn about the way Greeks thought about heroes. Our experience is that it takes time to sort out all the aspects of this not-so-simple task, and what we are interested in above all is what you end up understanding, in how you do on the last exercises. If you don't do well at the beginning on the exercises, for us it means that you have something to learn — and that's what we expect. How foolish would it be on our part if we made your receiving a certificate depend on your success in the first exercises! (NOTE: If you have done well on them, we are sure that you still have a lot more to learn, however — don't worry!) But the first few exercises are essentially for practice, for you to learn what you don't know. That can be painful, but then again, you wouldn't be enrolled in this class unless you wanted to learn something that you don't already know. What we are really interested in is that you show improvement in your assessment scores over the time that this course runs, in other words, that we see evidence that you are learning to do what we are trying to teach you to do. Naturally, that also will depend on how well we are doing with the teaching part, and we are working hard on that! So here's what it comes down to: if you do all of the assessment exercises, and you do poorly at the beginning but better at the end, you will get a certificate. If you do very well on the assessment exercises and can sustain that level of success, you will also get a certificate. Here's another way to put it: any perceptible improvement upward from 0 on a scale of 0 to 2 gets you a certificate, and starting at 1 on a scale of 0 to 2 and not going all the way down to 0 at the end also gets you a certificate. Lastly, if you have signed up just for the experience, you are eligible for a certificate of attendance even if you don't do the exercises. If you do finish the exercises as we have described them, you are eligible for a certificate of mastery. Everyone gets a certificate. Sincerely, Greg PS This is not a course in which we tell you the questions and their answers and in which you are obliged to memorize and repeat those answers to us for a "good grade" (even if you don't really believe that they are good answers or good questions). That's not the learning model we are using, though it may well be a fine learning model for other subjects. UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T00:48:13Z VoteTAG:121 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 55 FirstChildTAG: That is what I assumed and how I intended to proceed in any case. It would still be helpful to have an explanation of the mechanics, for example, the save and final check buttons. Is it obvious which submits the answer to you? Having such mechanics clearly stated helps to get past the trivial and onto the purpose and pleasure of the class. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T01:04:21Z SecondChildTAG: I agree Priscilla. I even wrote to the edX technical team to ask if there was a general tutorial about how the platform works. They said no - just post questions to the Discussion board and have the course staff answer them. I thought that sounded like a lot of wasted effort for the academic staff, and frustrating for the participants. But it is still early in the development of edX. Perhaps they will consider our feedback for the future. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T01:08:12Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Priscilla, we are eager to create just this kind of tutorial. And we don't consider it wasted effort at all! Our team is 100% listening and we are passing on feedback. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T01:51:47Z SecondChildTAG: To be honest I find these types of discussions to be tremendously motivating, as if I am a part of something much bigger than myself. An odd reaction perhaps, but honest feedback. Thank you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1087616 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KenMacDonell1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T02:13:23Z SecondChildTAG: Ken: I agree with you! We are part of something much bigger! As we learn how to read the Illiad, Prof. Nagy and his staff are learning how to teach something so complex through this new medium: the web! We are their very happy guinea pigs! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 898081 SecondChildUserNameTAG: antigona SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T03:20:47Z SecondChildTAG: Perhaps it would be useful to start a thread concering technical/platform questions/suggestions? At this point, I would put on that list (of course, some of these I have already figured out - but this is for future participants as well): - What is the difference between "Final check" and "Submit" in the assessments? - What does the blue check mark mean on some of the Discussion posts? - What does the "pinned" notation mean on some of the Discussion posts? - How does one follow a Discussion thread? - Can one receive email notification if there is a new entry in a post one is following? - Is there a 'gradebook' where one can track one's progress on the assessments? - Is there a way of making a forum available to post to/view only if one has completed an assessment? (I am thinking of a way to encourage communication after assessment, based on Hal's comments here and in the other thread.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T05:29:25Z SecondChildTAG: Agreed! I was correct in H1 annotated test, but obviously did something wrong in sending, and so got 0. I am not a computer buff, and this system is easy for American students, I assume. As we are from over 150 countries, a simple explanation tab on 'how' *would* be a good idea. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T09:05:37Z SecondChildTAG: ■What is the difference between "Final check" and "Submit" in the assessments? - - Final Check means that you have 1 try to answer the question with clicking on Final Check button. In other courses it is used as a notice after you used all but one checks at the midterm / finals. As here is a continuous assessment of your learning, this is perfectly right. ■What does the blue check mark mean on some of the Discussion posts? - - Originally, it was designed to note that a question is answered, and the answer was accepted by the post owner. ■What does the "pinned" notation mean on some of the Discussion posts? - - What do you call "pinned" notation? In other forums, a pin keeps a topic at the toop, because it contains vital information. ■How does one follow a Discussion thread? There is a triangle with a star at the top of the topic, if it is blue, you are following the post, and you can select the posts you follow, when you click on the "Show All Discussions", and choose from the dropdown menu the "Following" option. ■Can one receive email notification if there is a new entry in a post one is following? - - I don't think so, however, peoople at the Artificial Intelligence course managed to have some alert system for themselves. I don't know the details of that. ■Is there a 'gradebook' where one can track one's progress on the assessments? - - That is the Progress tab at the top. ■Is there a way of making a forum available to post to/view only if one has completed an assessment? (I am thinking of a way to encourage communication after assessment, based on Hal's comments here and in the other thread.) - - I have seen the whole forum to be closed for the time of a Midterm, but not for selected people only. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T10:20:40Z SecondChildTAG: Quick follow-up question: Where is the "Progress tab at the top"? I only see "Courseware, Course Info, ..., Sourcebook" Thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1342524 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hotdnow SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T11:25:56Z SecondChildTAG: I don't see a progress tab either. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T16:57:36Z SecondChildTAG: the other edx classes I have been a part of included a small section to explain both how the buttons work and a few "test" questions to play around with and see how each button works.. they also included the aforementioned progress tab which was INCREDIBLY helpful to me as a student to see where I was and what I may have needed more study time in. The other classes were from MIT Profs, maybe they have a slightly different set up as to how they wanted to offer their classes. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 959393 SecondChildUserNameTAG: slinkysbarbie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T17:34:20Z SecondChildTAG: I completed all questions and the small exercises of hour 1 and I clicked the final check button. Was I correct? Do I need to do something different? Have my answers been submitted? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1268415 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NinaKost SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T22:04:42Z SecondChildTAG: Like others, I do not have a progress tab and I do not have any indication that I am certificate or not. I prefer to complete the certificate. Thanks SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1236030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Bogatyr SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T22:11:21Z SecondChildTAG: I want to ask everybody about the close reading exercises.Do we chose one of the answers in the boxes? Because I thought we had to argue about the question. Please could anybody give me some information about that? Anybody to save me? I' be very thankful. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270646 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NellyFili SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T23:01:27Z SecondChildTAG: Write your argument answering the posed question and then choose the box that answers the last question. Which refers to the essay answer, at least indirectly. It is the checked answers that are graded immediately. You need to do both before clicking final check which enters your answer. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T00:17:57Z SecondChildTAG: We request more information on where to find this Progress Tab and how to determine if we are "certificate" or not, as that will allow us to switch from one to the other, as we are told we can. Thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1417955 SecondChildUserNameTAG: melissaofthebees SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T03:40:57Z SecondChildTAG: I answered a question in the exercise and it was the wrong one. However i got a green tick in my answer. I am confused SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1265668 SecondChildUserNameTAG: euterpi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T08:33:42Z SecondChildTAG: is it half a green tick? there is partial credit. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T14:41:02Z SecondChildTAG: no progress tab either or any other information concerning assessment or certificate SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1359117 SecondChildUserNameTAG: fernir SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T18:45:28Z SecondChildTAG: I hit 'final check' to see the multiple-choice answers before I completed the short essay questions and find there is no way now that I can submit the free-written answers. What should I do about this? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1456863 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Yinmeng SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T01:08:40Z SecondChildTAG: Ignore it and treat it as a learning experience. Prof. Nagy has made it completely clear that improvement is what will be important in getting a certificate, if that is a concern. I did the same thing on the first short answer question that I answered and agree that it was unclear, but now we know. If you are still uncomfortable, reread the message from Prof. Nagy that started this discussion. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T01:17:01Z SecondChildTAG: I would like to know if I can still cope with the lessons I had missed. Thank you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1400401 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tacollin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T13:10:21Z FirstChildTAG: I am more calm now. I was giving up! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305100 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ayshagawa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T03:26:31Z SecondChildTAG: I was too.... I answered the first question incorrectly and said to myself I've ruined my chances already! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1242469 SecondChildUserNameTAG: allyg21 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T00:48:59Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Prof. Nagy! This is good to know. We all want to do well! I am encouraged by this teaching style and appreciative that we are encouraged to think rather than depend on rote memory for the lessons. Jamie Alford FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1292863 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JAlford FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T01:28:39Z FirstChildTAG: OOo this message is everything I hoped for. Prof. Nagy I thank you, and I thank you again. Although I knew the answers of the first exercises I still failed with some of them, it was really frustrating, but it was a precious experience on how I should read out of the text and not in to. That was really a lesson for my Greek-knowledge!!! I would like to give an example (as an aware sign for others). There was an exercise were I've been asked about who was first to be angry in Iliad. The spontaneous answer for me was of course Achilles, because the poet starts by highlighting the cause of all madness in Iliad with Achilles' anger (menis). But (!!!) reading the text closer, Homer was actually saying something else, about Apollo, that "For he [= Apollo], infuriated at the king [= Agamemnon]". So Apollo was the first to get mad. Although this was an evidence, I thought, yes maybe Apollo is the first to get angry and not Achilles. But that all-known menis was more evident and well-known to me, so I said it must be still Achilles. I was wrong. So we should read more and more carefully! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893048 FirstChildUserNameTAG: porfyrus FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T01:48:02Z SecondChildTAG: I agree! I hadn't realised how much information I 'gloss' over when I'm reading. I think that this course will give me skills that I will be able to use throughout my life! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 901834 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Emma-Bagherian SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T07:50:24Z SecondChildTAG: Porfyros I fell into the same trap. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T09:11:46Z SecondChildTAG: Yeap! Very careful slow reading and slow fast reading will do the job for me from now on. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T09:20:52Z SecondChildTAG: As did I. But I will be more careful in my reading from now on - at least I hope so. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1080551 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RickFlynn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T15:48:18Z SecondChildTAG: I made the same mistake at first because I didn't read carefully. Also thought it was Achilles. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 891317 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Annettehendley SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T16:54:02Z SecondChildTAG: Yep I made this mistake too.. I knew Apollo was the first but since he wasn't an option I got it wrong. You really do learn from your mistakes!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1242469 SecondChildUserNameTAG: allyg21 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T00:52:19Z SecondChildTAG: Did anyone get this part right? I was wrong too although I went with Agamemnon after deciding it should be first chronologically (ie Achilles' anger followed his dispute with the already angry Agamemnon). I considered Apollo but this followed Agamemnon's 'fierce' refusal to accept the father's ransom. Perhaps I was looking too hard when I interpreted a 'fierce refusal' as an 'angry response'. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T21:06:40Z SecondChildTAG: Wasn't this a question from the fast reading section? Where we push through & don't have to memorize details, just get the big picture? I guess it's all slow reading after all... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T03:38:26Z SecondChildTAG: Hour 0 Text A: So, which one of the gods was it who impelled the two to fight with each other in strife [eris]? |9 It was [Apollo] the son of Leto and of Zeus. For he [= Apollo], infuriated at the king [= Agamemnon], |10 caused an evil disease to arise throughout the mass of warriors, and the people were getting destroyed. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T05:33:31Z SecondChildTAG: Actually, my previous post was inappropriate since it does give the answer to a question. I suppose that it was answered above as well, but it was still a mistake. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T05:38:57Z SecondChildTAG: i too got caught out on that one i was right in my thinking but wrong in my answer. so i have learnt not to doubt myself! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1117488 SecondChildUserNameTAG: riaoc SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T23:05:17Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Professor Nagy and Team for this wonderful experience. I have been marveling all week at how effectively the assignments have pushed me to read closely the text. Please bear with good humor any grumbling about the difficulty (and seeming implacability) of the quizzes. I love it that I teach this text (in a survey of western civ class) and still missed 2 out of 4 on the quiz. You have offered a rich lesson on reading carefully. I am really looking forward to the next one. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1098255 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jwielf FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T03:02:42Z SecondChildTAG: I also teach Iliad and I missed 2 out of the 4 on the quiz!My pupils would laugh at me :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1230942 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Maroulou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T21:03:10Z SecondChildTAG: Oh my god, we are three! :( ) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1521641 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaminaFernandez SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T09:29:39Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I have posted a long response under the thread entitled Evaluation and Teaching-a self-assessment (by Brian P.) towards the end of that thread relevant to this issue. In response to your message above here is an independent addendum to that post: > I mentioned in that post how nice it would be if there was what I called a *due date* so that after that date we could talk about the problems, solutions, and issues with our fellow students and the staff. >I still think that is a good idea. But in light of your present post, perhaps, if your adopted this , it could be called a free to discuss date. >For example, > **When can we honourably discuss The Will of Zeus on the discussion boards?** >There seems to be a conflict between the idea of the explorer/certificate seeker roles (and switching between them at any time) and this question. >I propose in that post, some kind of layered assessment, which I think is what you are actually describing above, but I am just suggesting that this be made more concretely visible. Cheers, Hal Riggs FirstChildUserIdTAG: 475967 FirstChildUserNameTAG: hriggs FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T04:07:05Z SecondChildTAG: I like this idea. I found the question about The Will of Zeus difficult and tricky and of course I failed it. It would be very good to be able to discuss it openly. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1369191 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SophiaCoro SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T05:54:46Z SecondChildTAG: I am in the same boat with you... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 893048 SecondChildUserNameTAG: porfyrus SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T07:55:47Z SecondChildTAG: The question about the will of Zeus was the hardest. I don't know how I could have answered it correctly. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T09:29:18Z SecondChildTAG: I would also like to discuss it openly. Maybe there could be a forum that is only accessible if you did the quiz and would stay closed to those who didn't yet enter it? I don't know if that is possible with the EdX software. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 844461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T09:56:10Z SecondChildTAG: I agree with this idea. It is a great course and we are definitely learning a lot, but if we could discuss the correct answer in each question we would not feel so disappointed and we would learn more about the "reading out of the text" method. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1440987 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Olga-Eftihia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T10:20:51Z SecondChildTAG: The question about the will of Zeus is a real challenge for me. I´m totally confused after reading all the suggested texts... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 912322 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elmas SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T13:34:30Z SecondChildTAG: Also found will of Zeus question trickiest. Actually, not sure I really understand the the correct answer. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222438 SecondChildUserNameTAG: TheresaF SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T00:25:31Z SecondChildTAG: I loved this question but I can see how it is challenging to those who might not consider seriously that Zeus is a god. Or God. Think religiously or spiritually. Remember man sees to the end of the day but Zeus sees to the end of all time. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1417955 SecondChildUserNameTAG: melissaofthebees SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T15:21:16Z FirstChildTAG: I've been sweating even starting the first exercise! Thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1367963 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NormaVasquez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T05:00:49Z SecondChildTAG: I can understand you Norma.I think I was sweating the same way as you did. I'd like to thank prof. Nagy and all the staff of Harvardx for the quality of the knowledge that they provide us. I think it is of the highest and finest level. But yet noone and no institution makes a name out of nothing. Thank you for the great opportunity. As the fellow learners have already mentioned we are indeed part of something bigger and something renovating the way of learning and teaching. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331092 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stiliani SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T05:17:34Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Professor Nagy for this clarification. Indeed it does remove the pressure from the assessment and allows us to delve deeper into the texts. As I have already seen this requires time and a great deal of close reading. As far as I am concerned the hardest part, is truly understanding the questions. In my haste for for the first part of the assessment (in the multiple choice), I incorrectly answered 2 questions just like other participants. I often find that even the simplest questions hold many avenues for exploration which can lead me to digress and lead me astray. This is why I often have to reread the questions quite a few times before attempting to answer them. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T06:07:39Z SecondChildTAG: I agree, HelenV. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T09:27:30Z SecondChildTAG: I read scroll II and suddenly thought 'I am never going to remember all these names and made a note of all of them and similarly with the battle scene I wrote down all the names of who killed who, and then had this strange thought that although Hector was clearly a center character, he in fact like many other characters had not killed the most Trojans. Patroklos had killed by the far the most combatants, 12 in fact. Then of course I realized I had completely lost the train of thought and began again- devil in the detail. So I now read it solely for the enjoyment and enjoy it I do, sometimes you can over think something until you do it an injustice. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1515720 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HeatherParsons SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T09:05:31Z FirstChildTAG: THank you, dear Team and Prof.Nagy! it makes everything easier! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 225392 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ElenaUrsol FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T07:05:26Z SecondChildTAG: Do we skip some of the scrolls in the Iliad? Why? Hours2 slow read text a -e then fast read Iliad scrolls 3 6 ,and 9 what about the skiped one, why do we skip SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1413363 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 12345ZX SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T17:42:21Z SecondChildTAG: 12345ZX: I found that Scroll II for example, lists the names of the captains of all the ships, where everyone was from, their family names, with some personal or battle details. I think Prof. Nagy is trying to have mercy to not get us bogged down with this right at the beginning. However, afterwards we are to go back and re-read straight through consecutively. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374891 SecondChildUserNameTAG: alohapaulette SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T19:39:43Z SecondChildTAG: Actually, I read Scroll II and found it quite interesting to give some sense of scale and the relationships of groups and leaders. I come to this with an interest in military history so perhaps some things will have more appeal to me than generally. I have to admit that I spent my breaks at work tabulating the groups, leaders and numbers. It is fascinating (to me, at least) some of the detail - the fact that the Agamemnon had to supply ships to the Arcadians 'because they were not a people that occupied there business upon the waters' [610] highlights that the Achaeans were not a uniformly maritime people (as well as saying something of Agamemnon's resources that he could find 60 extra ships). Another very striking note was mentioned barely in passing. Describing the homeland of one group who 'held the lands round the lovely river Titaresios, which sends its waters into the Peneus' [750] - so far fairly uninteresting as I've no idea were any of these places are, but it then goes on; 'They do not mingle with the silver eddies of the Peneus, but flow on top of them like oil.' - odd, I thought, but the text explains this 'for the Titaresios is a branch of dread Orkos and the river Styx, the fearful oath-river'. What! Even I know of the Styx but this seems to indicate that the Greeks didn't see it as some spiritual metaphor or transition but as a physical river present in their own world. Although not bearing (so far as I can see at this point) on the nature of the hero it changes how I need to think about the Greek understanding of religion which seems to have far more physical presence than I had assumed. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T21:35:37Z SecondChildTAG: We do have to remember this is an epic poem, not history. It could be all those ships came from places that the poet was wandering around telling the story. That's how he made his living. He's telling a story from 4-5 hundred years earlier. So it's quite possible that the bard would promote any demos he happened to be staying in. That's why there are so many of them. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 916354 SecondChildUserNameTAG: wcoventry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T04:17:10Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Professor Nagy and Team, First of all I thank you all for your wonderfull course, and congratulate you for your courage and will to face such a challenge as preparing this course. I have never read the Iliad and I felt this like a very big fail in my formation. So far I have read Scroll one and the passages that are included in H24H. I have a request/suggestion for you concerning the answers of the exercises: I understand that sometimes the answers can come out from other source than the Iliad but, when they do, could you please add the information about the scrolls and verses of the Iliad that contain the answer? I'm asking you this because I got the right answer to a question of the first test (the third one: "Why will Achilles sit the war out in his shelter?") with the wrong information: I used verses 421-422 from scroll I: " meanwhile stay where you are with your ships, nurse your anger [mēnis] against the Achaeans, and hold aloof from fight.", Thetis asked. After reading the answer I looked for the corresponding verses, and I did find them - it's in verse 210 - but, still, I did want to present you the suggestion, for I think it would make the answers to be even more helpfull and clear. Thanks for all the attention. SMendonca FirstChildUserIdTAG: 971766 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SMendonca FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T07:44:02Z SecondChildTAG: I also got the right answer using verses 421-422 from scroll I. In my opinion Athena's words deter Achilles from killing Agamemnon, however it is Thetis' advice that actually makes him sit the war out in his shelter. I would therefore like to discuss this answer further. Thank you for the attention Georgia Zachou SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1332544 SecondChildUserNameTAG: zaxou_georgia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T22:36:15Z SecondChildTAG: Me too SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T22:50:19Z SecondChildTAG: But, but... when Thetis says this, Achilles has already said before the assembly that he will sit the war out. He has already made this decision himself, all she does is support it. As for Athena, she deters Achilles from killing Agamemmnon, but does not tell him what to do. I still think he came up with the idea on his own. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1521641 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaminaFernandez SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T09:34:31Z FirstChildTAG: I feel relieved, that others experienced the same. First I thought, I understood the texts. After doing the test, it turned out: I really didn't. Then I read it again with the answers in mind and it was cristal clear. I learned so much so far and I am greatful to be a part of this learning experience. Thanks to Prof Nagy and all the HeroesX's. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 844461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T08:06:23Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks Claudia, this confirms my deep feeling and conviction. I think this marvellous experience is part of a great modern move from rigidity and skepticism to personal discovery, empowerment, and commitment to a more empathic and just world, best described recently by Ricken Patel, founder and executive director of the mass civil movement AVAAZ (which means "voice"), who delivered the 2013 Commonwealth Lecture a few days ago. It can be listened to on YouTube by anyone able to take a short break: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InnC_HnFO6g Patel is speaking from 11:30 to 50:20. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T08:29:58Z SecondChildTAG: Hi D. good to see you here. This is global posting so that is why you are here. Has been decent day here. A bit hot here in the desert SW. Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T03:05:27Z FirstChildTAG: I completely understand that some of us are stressed out. This level of learning can be stressful. I am taking a lot of MOOCs right now, and I am definitely stressed out about some of them! But, Prof. Nagy, the way you do your class has not made me stressed out at all! You go so deeply into everything, and your text H24H is so enlightening to read. I know I'm gaining an understanding of the Iliad and of Greek culture long ago that I would not get from anyone else, I'm pretty sure. I appreciate that in your videos you speak slowly and deliberately, and that you repeat important key points. You're very thorough! I think these are the marks of the greatest kind of teacher. For me, I think this depth of understanding that you seek, and that you are urging us to seek, alleviates any stress I would feel otherwise. Thank you so much for making this class available online! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060269 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Wizegie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T08:57:54Z SecondChildTAG: totally agree! the way Prof.Nagy speaks makes everything easier for students ESL. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 225392 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ElenaUrsol SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T10:54:15Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, such a gentle and kind man: a great encounter. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T11:52:20Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Prof Nagy and the whole team for your reassurance and support in this course of study. Though it is not easy but the truth is I am enjoying every single moment of it. After Hour 1, I was literally blown away by the depth of the discussions in the videos. Kudos! Thanks for making it possible for all of us to learn such great literature from an amazing teacher. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1339438 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Raindust2013 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T10:56:47Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, By mistake I posted my answer on question 1 on hour1 close reading exercise without pasting my written answer in the box. Is there some way I can submit the text now, like for example pasting on the question 2 stating in brackets that it's for the question above, along with the proper answer for question 2, or having the answer of question 1 reset? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1143990 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SStella FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T11:03:48Z FirstChildTAG: If only all my college professors were like Nagy. It's not about memorizing enough facts to pass, but real growth, understanding, and application. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 373107 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stubag FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T11:37:14Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Prof. Nagy, As you noted in explanation to the cetrification it is of secondary matter. The way you guide us/me to read ancient text or in general - literature is like helpin us to immerse into it - world of Accient Greeks - with understaning. It also helps to discover overselves. Thank you again. WBR, Pawel Marchelek FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1408011 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PawelMM FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T11:47:37Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Professor Nagy. I had a personal problem and could not take the first assignment on Monday and then, after I read the discussions, I was afraid to. I will now take it today. Thanks also to my fellow learners because I am learning a lot from the discussions. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1315889 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MBWall FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T12:10:19Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Professor Nagy and all the Team for making this amazing learning opportunity available to all of us who could never even imagine the experience of being participants in the corresponding degree course! What happens to the written responses we make to the questions- are these primarily saved to allow us to self-review as we subsequently progress in understanding? Or will you be using semantic analysis software to recognise common misconceptions and provide feedback? Will information be added at a later date to show examples of points we would have done well to touch on in making our responses? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1381492 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nickg5c FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T13:10:55Z SecondChildTAG: I too have the same query. Will the written answers be graded? And how? How will we be able to know if our answer is correct? Since I'm not a native speaker I'm afraid that my answers have expression mistakes as well. Thank you Georga Zachou SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1332544 SecondChildUserNameTAG: zaxou_georgia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T12:15:14Z SecondChildTAG: I was also wondering about the written responses - it would be so good to have feedback on our thoughts, and possibly to post some of the more thought-provoking responses for the whole class to see, to open up discussion. But I don't know how you could logistically do that with this number of students. Thanks for a great course so far! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1147100 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lauranz SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T23:05:48Z SecondChildTAG: I have the same problem, Iam not a native speaker , it is very difficult to write in a propper way SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T22:48:54Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Claudia and Prof. Nagy. Thank you so much for this generous note and explanation. I was rather humbled by my "wrong" answers and realized that I was not reading "out of the text" thoroughly enough. My question is: for some reason whether I answer "right" or "wrong" I still get a red x. So I am confused. I do not have experience working on a computer in this context and perhaps I am "submiting" at the wrong moment? Is there a place where we can see instructions for the assessments? Thank you so much. Best, lisa FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1144316 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lisa11 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T13:40:03Z SecondChildTAG: I think I understand a bit better now. I mistakenly submit a few answers before I had answered the questions. What is the difference between final check and submit? Thank you for your help. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1144316 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lisa11 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T13:58:58Z SecondChildTAG: It is final check and save rather than submit. I discovered the hard way that final check submits your answer irrevocably. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T15:00:50Z SecondChildTAG: Join the queue Lisa. For this kind of course it is much better to assume that no-one knows anything about 'how', as we are from so many countries, and with different levels of experience with computers!!! Basic instructions on 'how' would have been useful! I do hope there will be some in the future, as so many students have been rather confused! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T18:11:39Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for your answers & support! It's great to make this journey with so many people from all over the world. My thanks to you, Athene & PricillaN! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1144316 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lisa11 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T19:52:08Z FirstChildTAG: I too became fretful at the results of my first attempt at answering test questions, but as someone with a background in professional testing I tried to get a handle on why some of these questions seemed so challenging. One of the reasons (which I think is important in a broader discussion of MOOCs which is probably more appropriate for another forum) is that most of the assessments associated with the online classes (at least the ones I've taken so far) are relatively easy, requiring you to have simply kept up with the reading or listening to the lectures to answer a question correction. (In fact, some courses don't let you fail by forcing you to figure out the right answer to one question before continuing to the next one.) In contrast, the questions that were asked in Hour 1 were genuinely challenging which his all the more interesting since they did not follow the conventions of a professionally developed test item. The best example of this was the question regarding who was Angry first (Achilles, Agamemnon or someone else). Most professional item writers or psychometricians would reject this question since (1) it's a multiple choice question with too few responses (four is standard); and (2) the use of "none of the above" (effectively the third choice in the Anger question) is frowned upon (which is why you rarely see these options on tests like the SAT. But in this case, "Someone else" is the right answer since that someone else is Apollo whose anger precedes both Agamemnon's (my choice) and Achilles'. But you would only think of that if you had made the leap to understanding that the Gods are "flesh and blood" characters in this story, not natural forces that "don't count" when it comes time to ascribe motivation or action. So, in this case, the crafting of the question turned it into an important component of learning– not just a confirmation that one remembered what one read. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1115837 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JonathanHaber FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T13:45:16Z SecondChildTAG: what you are saying is very true. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T23:48:01Z SecondChildTAG: I remain sceptical about the 'who is first to get angry...' question because it isn't clear from the question if we're taking about the 'real time' of the story (which turns out to be what it's asking) or the first anger mentioned in the song, which is clearly Achilles's. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1076348 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LYNSEY SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T21:30:41Z FirstChildTAG: And where, pray tell, are these hallowed assessment grades? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1371764 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Remstal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T19:16:25Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Prof Nagy and team. When I finally understood that this course is an exercise in learning how to read well and understanding in a systematic way of thinking, I realized that this is an important concept that I had not mastered. I am truly grateful for finally learning this all too important skill of learning how to figure things out. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1135353 FirstChildUserNameTAG: revdrmom FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T14:08:34Z FirstChildTAG: Hello!There is no "Submit" nor "Final Check" button in my platform!!!Can someome guide me? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1239467 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Pela FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T14:10:29Z SecondChildTAG: It is hard to help without further information. Some browsers may have more problems than others. If you can, try a different browser than the one you are using. Just list the OS and the browser, then someone may have some further useful insight. Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T00:35:04Z SecondChildTAG: Did you look under the last two items under hour 1? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T01:45:38Z SecondChildTAG: Thakn you for your information!!!!I hope that I'll find a solution!! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1239467 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Pela SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T05:46:34Z SecondChildTAG: Are you using IE as your browser? Try switching to Chrome, Firefox, or Safari. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T11:51:58Z SecondChildTAG: Goodmorning, I'm using Chrome!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1239467 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Pela SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T07:13:20Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Professor Nagy! This course is awesome, i like the way that you and your team prepare each hour of this course FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1077441 FirstChildUserNameTAG: opineda FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T16:17:43Z SecondChildTAG: I agree, is a gift to be here! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T22:53:02Z FirstChildTAG: I am finding the annotations exercises to be dreadfully confusing, in the sense that I can't figure out how we are supposed to answer. It seems if we don't include a chosen phrase from the 3 that are listed below the question, then the item will be marked incorrect? And the wording of the first question, do you mean Zeus could say the same about the cause of Agamemnon's rage, or about the cause of his own which comes out in the story after the highlighted passage? Very frustrating. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962631 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lavraka FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T17:12:40Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! Thanks for the info on certificates. I don't have a progress tab on on my page of the course, so I'm guessing I'm in the spectator mode. I'd like to try for the cerificate of mastery, hopefully I'll be able to fully participate in the course, all the way to June. How do I change my status, so that I can have a progress tab/be eligible for a mastery certificate? Thanks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1303600 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RoeAgel1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T17:22:40Z FirstChildTAG: Hello , Firstly I am finding myself more and more drawn into this medium which is a credit to all the staff concerned for presenting it in such a way that captivates our thoughts and encourages our progress.It is however for me very complex and takes a lot of thought but I have noted I am beginning to understand it more even over the short relative time on the course , especially the form it takes. When I saw the questions and some of the experiences / feelings of those who had partaken in the exercises, I have to admit I froze and was terrified to attempt any effort to complete them.In fact decided procrastination was the order of the day. I am so relieved to see this e mail and that hope still springs eternal. I also now realise the experience and gain from the course far outweigh any certification. I look forward to continuing with such a passionate and caring team. Thank you Delphine FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T17:49:24Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Professor Nagy, It was very kind of you to post us this notice because i was really thought that it will be a problem to give wrong answers. I am sure the most of us are adults with work and family trying hard to study and find quality time, so this post is very good for us to keep us calm and motivates us to keep up the try. Thank you very much and i must admit (although we are in the very start) that your way of teaching and the H24H are VERY, VERY interesting. I really wish for myself to improve my knowledge day by day and take the mastery certificate. Wishes for a pleasant weekend. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280337 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Afroditi2013 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T18:37:05Z FirstChildTAG: As has already been noted, the function of the "short answer" buttons is opaque. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1371764 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Remstal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T19:11:42Z SecondChildTAG: After you clicked *final check* to submit your answer, then you can look and see what the correct answer is (if you got a red X) and an explanation of why that is the right answer. What is really opaque, is the logic of making it visible before submitting your answer! Hal R an answer. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T00:42:35Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you for the words of encouragement, Professor Nagy. I have opened up some serious flaws in my slow reading and comprehension by doing the Hour 1 exercises, Onwards and upwards from here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 600994 FirstChildUserNameTAG: patriciab FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T19:50:04Z SecondChildTAG: same for me! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1342457 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kathygpilgrim SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T00:11:06Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Claudia and fellow participabts, I can't seem to find anywgere on my page or dashboard, the mode I am in i.e. whether I am a certificate seeker or explorer. The help button next to my name only gives general information - it is not linked to our specific registration. Can anyone give me a few pointers on this please ? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T00:06:40Z SecondChildTAG: Being an explorer or a certificate seeker is just something that you commit yourself to doing. There is not button to press. Complete all the exercises and you are a certificate seeker. Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T00:38:38Z SecondChildTAG: thank you so much for the clarifaction Hal. I am sure that that there will be others with the same query. Helen SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T03:33:06Z SecondChildTAG: Others are reporting a progress tab, but there is no such tab on my dashboard, and I have now completed three hours of questions and exercises. (I'm using Firefox; does it appear in other browsers?) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1417955 SecondChildUserNameTAG: melissaofthebees SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T15:23:07Z FirstChildTAG: Wow! What a refreshing teaching philosophy! Great job so far on the course. I have a feeling this course is going to be a very memorable learning experience. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 80534 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maldig FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T03:58:55Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Prof. Nagy and Heroesx team. It is an inspirational message. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1111856 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Christofakis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T07:57:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Professor Nagy, if we success on the assessment exercise, is there any kind of reward we will get besides the certificate, let say a kind of scholarship or something like that? maybe a kind of free trip to visit Harvard University to get a bit course directly from you? (well, this is only my imagination) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 985170 FirstChildUserNameTAG: magnificath FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T11:46:49Z FirstChildTAG: I breathed a HUGE sigh of relief after the "nurturing" reassurance from Professor Nagy and Claudia/the team about addressing our anxieties about performance in the exercises. I joined the course to "expand my mind" as I have not been into the liberal arts and I must congratulate you on already having triggered my mind expansion process. My reading and rereading have shown me whatever my earlier "speed reading" has missed and this has been an enriching process. Based on your encouraging inputs, I have decided to reread the materials before plunging headlong into the exercises and to defer my attempting the exercises by a few days till I savour the rereading and ready to start the next Hour. Certificates seem so unimportant suddenly! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1129036 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Dileepk FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T13:46:13Z FirstChildTAG: That was a perfect message from Professor Nagy.It's very encouragingly for that important project,exploring the Greek civilization! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1419978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Christiana22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T14:14:20Z FirstChildTAG: This post makes the class even more enjoyable! No struggling for a "grade" - just more time learning. I love it! I truly felt that the first assessment was a teaching tool in and of itself - it was a small, guided lesson in close reading. Thank you Prof. Nagy, Claudia, and the entire HeroesX team! Jennifer FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897034 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T01:01:19Z SecondChildTAG: I totally agree! Marianna SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T11:35:28Z SecondChildTAG: Now that is important to know success comes in all matters SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1391459 SecondChildUserNameTAG: margiegg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T15:07:49Z SecondChildTAG: I fully agree. Thanks to our teachers for their point of view. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1325301 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Italiangentleman SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T21:51:12Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Professor. And to my class mates, may I add, remember we are here to learn AND to perform our heroic best as new age rats in a maze, providing data on just how this online learning community will best operate. So ,simply, do your best, don't worry about grades! LEARN!ENJOY! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 914386 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hudsonswimmer SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T02:20:15Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for an explaination I was worried since this was new to me. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 983751 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CathyAnn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T14:45:46Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Professor Nagy for the important information regarding the assessments as they were a little befuddling the first time. It is hard at first to get used to a different style of teaching especially done online. I am finding this course to be uniquely rewarding and it is encouraging me to think harder and deeper about a not so easy subject. Have a great day, Karen SecondChildUserIdTAG: 956149 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kcabel11 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T15:48:37Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks Professor Nagy and Team! I do have a question though; would it be possible for you to lecture some more about the scrolls we're reading in the Iliad? I noticed that several of the questions on the assessment were very specific to the Iliad and since I had done a fast reading of Scroll 1, I missed those questions. Or is this a situation where I should be doing a close reading of the Iliad scrolls? It was my understanding that we were quickly reading through the Iliad scrolls (even if we didn't understand them). Any help or advice I could get would be great. Thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 950608 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TiffanyDucummon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T16:44:20Z SecondChildTAG: I'm with you on this point! I wasn't focused on the details during the fast reading... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T03:49:50Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks Professor Nagy is important to have a certificate, but I think the most important thing is to focus on what we are learning without Importer if at the end we will have a certificate, I think at the end of the course we will have a knowledge that is important. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 967254 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sanchez04 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T19:42:30Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Claudia congratulations for the great work! Professor Nagy is so inspiring! I have a question : who will evaluate our open-ended responses to the close reading exercises? And an observation. The answers given address to the multiple choise questions. Could we have a feedback for our written responses in order to become better in the future?I don't know whether I managed to answer the questions properly although I did it well in the multiple choise. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1230942 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Maroulou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T21:15:05Z FirstChildTAG: Seems like I'm beginning to understand how all the pieces of information presented here fit together. I was trying to answer some questions before reading the requisite passages. But it is fun to try work things out. This "hero" notion is helping me to understand something about why people act as they do with such conviction. Trying to achieve a timeless glory which will never fade, forever remembered by those that come after. Like having a football stadium named after you. Also interesting to understand that heroes can exhibit a mix of moral and immoral actions. Who knew? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1143544 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Flojackguite FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T00:21:11Z FirstChildTAG: now i feel better, because i did not have very good results from the tests. So i will try to improve my results. Finally i understand that i have so many things to learn from this course. I'm so excited to improve my skills :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1290838 FirstChildUserNameTAG: margaritagonio FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T20:19:11Z FirstChildTAG: This first set of questions was a good one for practice, as you say, Prof. Nagy. I have failed most of them, and on checking the answers I realized that they were so logical, and I need more practice on reading lento. PS. Thank you so much, Prof. Nagy and the whole staff, for the great work that your doing. This is a little bit difficult for me since english isn't my maternal language, and I know that there are many students in my situation, but I find this course extremely interesting, and though I may struggle with my writing I'll go on till the end! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1278740 FirstChildUserNameTAG: YisselAcosta FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T04:59:25Z FirstChildTAG: I want to know what happens if I start the course today?, in fact I forgot to stat it before,I'm very intetested in the topic, and I will worried if I couldn't do it. Thanks for your answer FirstChildUserIdTAG: 919505 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Pilarvelasco FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T14:25:52Z SecondChildTAG: Go for it. there are no deadlines except the end of the class. You will have to spend some time catching up, but it is only a week and is great fun as well. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T15:29:04Z SecondChildTAG: Priscilla is right:go for it and good luck. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T19:31:13Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you for such a wonderful course and method of getting knowledge! I've been bored of constantly being assessed at my University and urged to get a better score. Now I can calmly read and learn something that I am really interested in! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 913353 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nastichen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T20:43:56Z FirstChildTAG: I do not understand the assessment system. Has some simple description been prepared about how to go through the multiple choice and essay questions? I found, like some others, that after I completed the essay questions, I could not proceed. There was no 'submit' button. Was it because I clicked on something in the multiple choice questions, like looking at the answer? I would like to continue taking the assessments in future hours, even though I am not trying to take the course for credit. But I want to understand how the whole system works. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1419227 FirstChildUserNameTAG: WayneSherwood FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T21:01:17Z SecondChildTAG: Wayne, The essay (annotation) questions work like this: You can type you answer in the box or (and this is better) compose your answer in a text editor (not a word processor) like Wordpad (on Windows) and cut and paste it in when you have thought about it for a while. These questions require careful attention. then you will see three boxes below. Select one of these boxes which best matches the information given (this is hard). Then click on *Final Check*. This is the submit button! Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T15:22:37Z SecondChildTAG: Hi. I am a computer illiterate and I am now very worried because I have been using the Word and cutting and pasting the answers. You mention to use Wordpad, not Word. So, I have been doing is wrong!? What happens then to my essay answers? Can the staff still read them? I will use Wordpad from now on but I guess it is too late for the last two essay questions.... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T15:53:41Z SecondChildTAG: Hi kaoru9282, I do not think you have anything to worry about! If you can read what you paste in, then I am sure the staff can too. I was just trying to be cautious in giving advice: it is possible that some of the formatting symbols used in Word would not have the same effect when pasted in here. (Experiment with a discussion post!) The point also of the discussion posts is not that the staff might read them, but that the following question is about what we wrote. Our essay responses get counted (likely) via the following choice. Because of the way that the semantic-tag choice is phrased it is very hard to "guess" the right answer without doing the essay. Also, the learning experience is the close-reading analysis needed to write the short essay. So don't worry! Work hard on the essay. Make your choice. Whatever the response (green or red) this is point where real learning can occur: Why did you get the wrong answer? And, just as importantly, even if you get green, did you get green for the right reasons, or were just confused but lucky? Best, Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T17:31:58Z FirstChildTAG: i skip two responses.. what will happen? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 936917 FirstChildUserNameTAG: adaricaros FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T15:08:09Z SecondChildTAG: Hi adaricaros, I am guessing that you mean that you skipped two essay responses, yes? Perhaps, just choosing the multiple choice answer. I don't know if anything happens on the grading side of things. If this is the case, then you are only making your own learning more difficult. The point of the exercises is to do a close reading and think about the text at a more-than-surface level: that this the point, that is where the real learning occurs. Don't shoot your-learning-self in the foot! Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T17:38:52Z SecondChildTAG: It would be helpful to see some example essay responses. I am not sure what the staff expects, how many words, references etc.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 891834 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Fritzos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T20:59:39Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Fritzos, I cannot speak for the staff, of course, but my take on it is that it is not that kind of question (word count, references). An example, would be the block paragraph in one of the hours that displays what an exegisis is. What I have done is write a few sentences (think paragraph) which helps me to make contact with the question and the text. When I am satisfied that I understand what is going on, then I proceed to the the semantic-tag selection. The question is not so much what they expect, as what you as a voluntary learner in this course want to achieve. I realize that this may not be the kind of response you need. Good luck! Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T21:38:53Z SecondChildTAG: Hi , I can tell you my experience. After the mess I made with exercises of Hour 1 -when I submitted the answers I did not want to, and lost my typed essays-, I learnt in Hour 2 and I succeeded with my replies, (at least in the procedure). First I saved my answers (by clicking "save"), one by one, and I saw an indication that answers were saved but not submitted. After being sure of what I wanted to send, I pressed "submit" and everything was OK. Good luck! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Susanaines SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T23:12:41Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you very much for this, it is very encouraging! I felt disappointed in myself after the 1st exercise and needed to hear this. Thanks, FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1229281 FirstChildUserNameTAG: cwfischler FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T18:27:31Z FirstChildTAG: I'm sorry to say, but this actually makes me feel worse about things rather than better. In effect it's saying that a bad day or week towards the end (perhaps because something bad happened or there's another deadline) will have far more negative effects that if everything were done evenly. Also, not being able to judge my progress 'live' as I can in other courses and constantly see where I am in relation to the critical line to pass the course is extremely discouraging. It's almost off putting in a way as I feel like we're just left to flounder until the end when we'll be given some arbitrary score. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1009273 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VEVancollie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T12:50:32Z FirstChildTAG: What prof. Nagy and his staff are doing here is in tune with the following article that appeared in the New York Times today, in which Tony Wagner, the Harvard education specialist, discusses the need to change education: the most critical goal is motivation. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/opinion/sunday/friedman-need-a-job-invent-it.html?smid=fb-nytimes&WT.z_sma=OP_NAJ_20130401&_r=0 *"Reimagining schools for the 21st-century must be our highest priority. We need to focus more on teaching the skill and will to learn and to make a difference and bring the three most powerful ingredients of intrinsic motivation into the classroom: play, passion and purpose."* Wagner is the author of “Creating Innovators: The Making of Young People Who Will Change the World”. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T17:01:53Z FirstChildTAG: Please, i still did not understand satisfactorily what is, and also how to, "read out" the Greek literature. To "read out",instead of "read in", is to read without project my own perjudices or is something completely different? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305100 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ayshagawa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T13:32:25Z SecondChildTAG: That's a good way to start thinking about it. My understanding is that the text has an internal structure which we can explore by paying attention to the text itself. When we use material in the text to support our analysis, we are reading OUT. On the other hand, we might have preferences, theories, ideas, even prejudices that have nothing to do with the text. If our analysis is based on any of these, we are reading IN. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1373736 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DanWallaceMA SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T23:32:15Z SecondChildTAG: So, when i am reading IN, i am reading my own preferences, theories and ideas not the text itself, OK? And i am reading OUT i am reading the text itself,at many levels of depth. Am i right? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305100 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ayshagawa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T13:54:17Z SecondChildTAG: Correcting: So, when i am reading IN, i am reading my own preferences, theories and ideas but not the text itself, OK? And when i am reading OUT, i am reading the text itself, at many levels of depth. Am i right? What is missing? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305100 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ayshagawa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T13:56:50Z SecondChildTAG: In general, you are correct, Ayshagawa, but the difference between reading IN and reading OUT is not always clear-cut. For example, take the scene in Scroll I where Agamemnon addresses the troops without standing, after Achilles has lodged his own complaint. Does Agamemnon's refusal to stand signify his weakness as a leader and orator, as Prof. Nagy suggested (if I remember correctly), or is it a calculated move by Agamemnon to suggest that Achilles does not deserve the honor of his standing to reply? Or do we simply take Agamemnon at his word--Achilles is a "hard act to follow," so it's better for him to remain seated? The text itself only gives us Agamemnon's own reason, but we have to look at the text as a whole and know something about the rhetorical dynamics of Greek leadership to go much further than that. Both could lead us into reading more IN to the text than it warrants. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T17:33:10Z SecondChildTAG: That is an astute comment. I am so involved with Achilles and Hector,in particular, that I am attributing motives to them as individuals rather than looking to their role in the epic. The master narrator, or the many years of oral tradition, determine how the characters actually function in the epic, not what the characters think they are doing or their reasons for doing it. I'm having trouble with this idea (assuming that I have it right). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T19:38:12Z SecondChildTAG: I think it is like if we met an alien from another planet. We would attempt, at least initially, to try to understand the being as if he were a human being, because we have no other way of understanding the being. But if we can manage to put aside our beliefs, meanings, fears, and needing to have immediate answers, we might begin to understand the being for what it is, rather than what we interpret it to be. We human beings seem to hate not knowing and will rush to fill a void in understanding with information and interpretations from our experience rather than taking the time to let an entirely new way of comprehending to develop. This way of being saves us from the real threats "out there" but it can stop us from perceiving and appreciating that which is new and therefore requiring more of us. The road to virtue is hard, as Hesiod reminds us. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1417955 SecondChildUserNameTAG: melissaofthebees SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T15:29:24Z FirstChildTAG: Of course the certificate is important, however,what really matters with me is the experience itself, the reading into the text style,and understanding the concept of the Ancient Greek Hero. For me, it is the first time to have such study online, or actually to be enrolled in an official course online. I can tell that it is a WONDERFUL and PLEASANT experience. I already learnt a lot,and of course waiting for more to learn. so I want to thank you all especially Prof, Naj. Thank you Professor. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1550816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HazemSaad FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T23:28:23Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Claudia, I would like to be sure that I am a certificate seeker if not I would like to change my mode of participation from “explorer” to “certificate-seeker", but how do I know in which mode I am now? P.S. I am still having problems with my personal page. I can't see anything when I click on my name. It still says page not found. So if this mode of participation is there I am afraid that I can't see it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T16:35:14Z SecondChildTAG: Next to your name is an arrow. That is what you click on for the drop down menu. Then go to "Help," and then "certificates and credits" listed on right hand column, for information about that. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374891 SecondChildUserNameTAG: alohapaulette SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T18:47:39Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you, this sure gives me peace of mind. I love the readings and the way you make me analyze in other ways I'm not used to. It's a challenge that I have decided to take as a personal goal. No matter the outcome I will finish and come out of this experience with new knowledge. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 978416 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LisaCalero FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T03:22:11Z IndexTAG: 1 TitleTAG: [From Prof Nagy] Discussion Question for Hour 4 After submission of your responses to the Question Set and Close Reading Exercise, here is a general question that I would like for you to think about and to discuss with each other and with me in our online Discussion. Consider in Hour 4 Text A (Pindar Isthmian 8.56-62) the lament of the Muses about the death of Achilles, which is parallel to what we read in Hour 4 Text H about the lament of the Nereids (= the daughters of the Old One of the Sea, led by Thetis) about the death of Achilles (Odyssey xxiv 58-64). In Text H, we see that both the Muses and the Nereids (led by Thetis) lament Achilles at his funeral. So how does the lament of Thetis in Text G (Iliad XVIII 54-64), which is the text that we have just analyzed, preview the laments that both the Muses and the Nereids (led by Thetis) will sing at the funeral of Achilles? UserIdTAG: 1218491 UserNameTAG: GregoryNagy CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T13:22:49Z VoteTAG:28 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 68 FirstChildTAG: The Hour 4 Text G lament previews the Hour 4 Text H and Hour 4 Text A laments in that it provides a starting point for the zooming out (to use the words of Prof Muellner in the Hour 4 Text H Lecture) of the reach of the lament song for Achilles. This zooming out of its reach is both in terms of social circle of Achilles and of space-time. In Text G, the lament starts from the point of the immediate family with the mother = Thetis and the aunts = the Nereids. I think perhaps Thetis’s father, Nereus was present as well because it said that Thetis was sitting by the old man her father right before she goes into lament. This lament occurs under the sea which is home to Thetis and it happens before Achilles’s death. In Text H, it speaks of the lament that’s performed at the actual funeral of Achilles before a larger public that included the immediate family, the professional singers, and the community at large with both mortals and immortals in attendance. (It said that everyone cried, which I think means that his story resonated with everyone somehow.) To further telescope this Text H, this lament was reminisced in The Odyssey which takes place after the Trojan War and in a different locale. In Text A, from the song of Pindar, the reach extends the furthest out of the three laments. It goes all the way to Aegina—a hundred or so years later—and here the lament sung for a local hero Nikokles invokes the lament that was sung for Achilles. The Iliad was written first, then The Odyssey and finally the song of Pindar. Fascinatingly, here we are now, thousands of years later, with the medium of a freely accessible Internet course available worldwide discussing the lament for Achilles and perhaps drawing parallels to sorrows of our own. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 889528 FirstChildUserNameTAG: qnh320 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T05:01:40Z SecondChildTAG: qnh320, thank you for your close reading of the question regarding "preview." Can we say the lament of Thetis is a mini visual/sound preview of the macro sound/visual in the Odyssey? And yes, we are so fortunate to be participants in the song/lament begun by Thetis. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T15:02:40Z SecondChildTAG: qnh320 - thanks for the thorough explanation of how these versions of laments appear to fit together. I am supposing this is a narrative construct used by the master narrator in the Iliad to alert the audience to what they will hear later and 'increase' anticipation? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1096360 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Juanitabrown SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T20:51:47Z SecondChildTAG: Excellent response!I totally agree with you. Thetis' lament comes first because it's the most personal and tender. The mother laments first and after follows the lament of the others. I think that this happens in real life too. Her lament is an opportunity for us to learn her deeper thoughts and her feelings. As it is included in Iliad comes before chronologically the texts of Odyssey and Pindar. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1230942 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Maroulou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T14:00:26Z SecondChildTAG: i think its called [προοικονομια] that is a tecnick that Homer used .he used to give a glimse of what is going to happen, to prepare the ground of the actual event SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1233939 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elenilenkou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T16:04:29Z SecondChildTAG: Well, I also agree with your standpoint. Its a matter of "zooming out" among the persons who lament. I also agree with the above post of elenilenkou tha is a technical key of master Narrator to prepare for Achilles death. Moreover I agree with Maroulou about chronological order of the texts. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1365399 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EFIKYR SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T18:13:19Z FirstChildTAG: I think they are connected because, just before Thetis' speech, Achilles has decided his destiny: he will fight to revenge the dead of his most philos, Patroklos, and that will bring him the kleos but the death too. So Thetis knows that her son is going to die and that will produce the laments of the Muses and the Nerieds. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 966098 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vickicki FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T14:31:34Z SecondChildTAG: interesting how the narrator pulls it all together.I know squat about literature so I assume this all foreshadowing on my all that I would have missed. I keep seeing all kinds of parallels to different religions. Seventeen years of religious schools-it never leaves you. Even learning more about the Greek culture helps to make more sense of traditions and rites. Heck it even helps to understand the nightly news when I see Middle Easterners mourn. p.s. God love spell check. now to better typing with one good hand. Love how class is olso physically challenging me to where I was afraid to go. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T21:12:43Z FirstChildTAG: We have already learned that Thetis knows about her son’s fate, the choice between “kleos” and “nostos” (Iliad IX 410-416). When Patroklos dies, and Thetis sings/cries the words in text G, she knows that Achilles choice will be “kleos”. Since “kleos” is the ultimate goal for a hero, and for the song of a hero, he will be lamented at his funeral, not only by his family and friends, but also by the Muses. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1423155 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Elsebeth FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T09:32:04Z SecondChildTAG: I totally agree. Also Thetis says it clearly in her lament "And I will never be welcoming him bach home as returning warrior.." Thetis, as a goddess knows that the death of Patroklos is the beginning of the end for her own son, so she passes the lament over to the Muses, and through these laments the hero will gain immortality. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1359804 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mcarab SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T20:29:05Z SecondChildTAG: It seems as though the participation and acknowledgement by the mother becomes the catalyst for the rituals such as lamenting to begin. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 949308 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CSMBSMU SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T16:59:32Z FirstChildTAG: The lament of Thetis starts with her, as mother, as one who knows that Achilles will suffer a fate of death. She involves and invites her sisters to listen to her lament about Achilles as in sorrow. An increasingly bigger circle of mourners in the death of Achilles involves the Nereids and the Muses, and seemingly the grief becomes bigger. From a grief that is "close and personal" (that of Thetis'), others are drawn into the circle of grief. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1051355 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MCV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T12:42:23Z SecondChildTAG: Yes the lamenters at the funeral of Achilles are everyone so I agree that the grief is infectious SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1109536 SecondChildUserNameTAG: chaykatoo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T17:52:11Z SecondChildTAG: It is almost an inversion of the ascending scale of affection in some of the laments, with the closest person, the mother, lamenting first, together with her closest family, even before Achilles dies, followed by fellow Greeks at the funeral, and finally far removed in space and time, by Pindar in the evocation of Achilles death in Nikoklos' lament. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1451586 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Detlev SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T19:01:00Z FirstChildTAG: We do not have the funeral procedure for Achilles described in the Iliad. Like in many ancient Greek plays, the hero doesn’t die on ‘stage’. Therefore, we have from ‘external’ sources the funeral procedure for Achilles (in Pindar and the Odyssey) where it is described like a ‘normal’ ritualized funeral procedure. The next of kin lament first (Thetis and Nereids), then professional lamenters take over (the Muses), a tomb is constructed and games in honor of the deceased take place. The fact that all the lamenters were goddesses strengthens the heroic/divine nature of Achilles and ensures his timelessness, his immortality and the preservation of him in our memory. In the macro-narrative, the song of the Muses is the epic itself. In the Iliad, what we have described is the death of Patroklos. There is where Thetis laments for her son Achilles because the death of Patroklos is the turning point for Achilles. Up until that moment he wasn’t the ‘man of constant sorrows’ or ‘the man that causes many sorrows’. Up until that moment, he had thought of going back home. When Patroklos dies, Achilles takes the decision to stay, fight, kill Hector and eventually die fulfilling his destiny (gaining eternal glory). Thetis knows that and that is the reason why she laments for her son, even though he is still alive. Like Andromache, she foretells the misfortunes yet to come. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1252012 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EvelynG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T14:51:35Z FirstChildTAG: We doesn't really know that Thetis lament (text G) preview the lament in Achilles funeral since the Iliad doesn't tell about Achilles funeral. We know through other sources (Odyssey, text H and Pindar, text A) that there was a lament sung by the Nereids and the Muses in his funeral. And we have learned from Andromaches laments that a lament sung before Hector dies preview the lament when he actually has died. And we know Achilles is going to die. Therefore we can assume that the lament of Thetis is a preview as well. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1383132 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Baral FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T11:52:36Z FirstChildTAG: Epic poetry, as other great storytelling, makes use of foreshadowing as a means of getting the spectators involved in predicting what is to come about later in the performance. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1143544 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Flojackguite FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T03:40:15Z SecondChildTAG: This would fit, I think, an analysis given on SparkNotes: '*[.. The] sense of predestination points to an important difference between ancient and modern fiction. Much of modern fiction creates a sense of dramatic tension by keeping the reader wondering how a story will end. Often a story’s ending depends upon the individual characters and the choices that they make according to their respective personalities. In contrast, ancient narratives often base themselves on mythological tradition, and ancient audiences would have listened to a given story already aware of its outcome. Tension in this scenario arises not from the question of how a character’s mindset will affect the story’s events but rather from the question of how the story’s events will affect a character’s mindset. For example, the poem creates a sense of drama and poignancy in its portrayal of Hector, who continues to fight valiantly for Troy even though he knows in his heart—as he tells Andromache in Book 6—that he is doomed to die and Troy doomed to fall. Similarly, Achilles eventually rejoins the battle despite his knowledge that the glory of fighting will cost him his life. The drama comes not from waiting to see how the story ends but from waiting to see how the characters respond to an end already foreseen.*' SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scherings SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T15:38:17Z SecondChildTAG: Yes. This is why Brecht favoured epos over drama, arguing that **in epic stories** the audience is able, because it knows what will happen, to be inspired not just emotionally but also intellectually. For him, epos is a narrative form in which *the spectator is an observer who retains his capacity for action and making choices on what is right and wrong*: he is actually brought to a point of recognition and remains (or becomes) a thinking person, who can decide to do the right thing (fight injustice, for example). **In drama**, on the other hand, the spectator is drawn emtionnally into the action and has no distance: his eyes are on the finish: how will it end? *He is emotional and incapable of reflecting on any aspects of the story or of questioning the conduct of the protagonists*, who are accepted as they are and deemed inalterable. Here a video about Brecht's understanding of epic theatre: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1iAHP68e1Q ![enter image description here][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13655257031343601.jpg Helene Weigel as "Mutter Courage", Berliner ensemble. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T16:42:37Z SecondChildTAG: Nice link! How old is this documentary, it looks so -almost prehistoric. Interesting though. I'm not a great fan of stage plays -though I might be, provided we had the superior actors like Britain has- so Brecht until now was just a famous name to me. After quickly having read a little bit about Brecht and particularly Mutter Courage, I really start to like this idea of making the connection -Achilles and Mutter Courage. What a wonderfully incongruous couple! I don't suppose that Homer did want his audience to feel 'alienated' in any way though, do you? For Brecht, it merely seems a technique to force his audience, used to empathy and -being German- inclined to all kinds of sentimentality, into taking a more active stand. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scherings SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T19:42:48Z SecondChildTAG: Nice link! How old is this documentary, it looks so -almost prehistoric. Interesting though. I'm not a great fan of stage plays -though I might be, provided we had the superior actors like Britain has- so Brecht until now was just a famous name to me. After quickly having read a little bit about Brecht and particularly Mutter Courage, I really start to like this idea of making the connection -Achilles and Mutter Courage. What a wonderfully incongruous couple! I don't suppose that Homer did want his audience to feel 'alienated' in any way though, do you? For Brecht, it merely seems a technique to force his audience, used to empathy and -being German- inclined to all kinds of sentimentality, into taking a more active stand. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scherings SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T19:46:38Z SecondChildTAG: At first my last comment was gone after submitting, now it's in duplicate.. Self-replicating comments, might spell trouble :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scherings SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T19:51:13Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Scherings. The word "alienating" is misleading and is a part of a jargon known and used in the theatre profession. You are perfectly right, Brecht wanted to shake the audience out of its indifference, placidity, "blind obedience" and sentimentality. His plays and his actors were brilliant, and they were of course able to move the audiences and play their parts fantastically. But the way of writing (epic) and directing meant that the audience was provoked into thinking, reacting, deciding whether characters were making the right choices or not. The alienation refers to an attempt to prevent the identification of the public with the protagonist and the drama. The documentary, of which I only posted the first part (you can find the rest on YouTube), was made in 1989 by the BBC and includes archive material, like the interview with Brecht's wife Helene Weigel. She was head of the Berliner Ensemble from Brecht's death in 1956 until her own death in 1971. I guess the interview was made in the sixties. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T20:26:04Z SecondChildTAG: I can also see now that the foretelling passages reflect the belief that the fate of man is preordained by the gods (gods who may have the most trifling reasons for their actions). Kind of fatalistic: reflects a view that there is no free will and that we really have no control over our lives and deaths. The gods have preordained them. Also gives us someone to blame when things go badly and to thank when things go well. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1143544 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Flojackguite SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T00:09:31Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Flojackgite. Thanks for this interesting answer. My reaction is quite different. I find that the notion of free will pervades th Iliad. But free will is a tricky thing. I am constantly reminded of WW1 in this regard: a disastrous, devastating war that changed the Europe forever, a war that nobody really wanted; we just slipped into it by an automatic mechanism of alliances, rather like the Greeks and Trojans who end up fighting because of a trivial incident involving the hurt pride of a couple of godesses. As Achilles and Hector say, they actually have no bones to pick with one another, at the beginning, and are just performing a socio-political duty. To this day no one can give a satisfying answer to why we weren't able to stop WWI from happening. It started and, at the beginning, we were still in pre-modern times: codex, honour, respect for one's ennemy - as evidenced in the massive fraternisation on the front during the famous "Christmas truce" of 1914; or in Renoir's beautiful film "La Grande Illusion". There was optimism, patriotism, and a relative youthful enthusiasm on both sides for proving one's worth in a military adventure that would be short and victorious. And then, as of 1915, the advent of modern warfare, with nerve gas, massively destructive automatic guns and canons, tanks, the horror of the trenches, etc. At Verdun, French generals would force their soldiers to attack small hills held by German batallions: "Je veux du sang!", one of them famously shouted, and a couple of hours later there were 10000 dead soldiers lying on the ground. 800000 German and Allied dead at the end of the battle, which did not change the outcome of the war. No codex or respect after that: just despair, hate, wish for vengeance, birth of fanatical ideologies, later another, even more horrible and world transforming war. So what about free will? Why did the soldiers comply? Why did they not say no and go home? They didn't. They obeyed and went day for day to their probable, anonymous, senseless death, ordered by aging generals who managed the slaughter. (As in Wilfred oen's beautiful poem, used by Britten in his War Requiem, Abraham sacirfices Isaac, ignoring God's command. Of course: God is actually dead, as Nietszche famously wrote). One has free will but the conditions for exercising it seem to be lacking. The pressure to obey what is perceived as duty or fatality is too great. Free will would only work if everyone rebelled. If you rebel alone, you die and are dishonoured. If you obey, you die in honour. (Though I certainly do not agree with this idea of what is honourable, but that is beside the point). So pardon me this long digression. What I meant to say and show is that the protagonists of the Iliad probably had the same free will as the soldiers of our modern wars, but were equally unable to resist the huge pressure of national duty. Here a scene from "La Grande Illusion", for old times sake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVSQ4XlQFH4&feature=player_embedded All that was left to them was grief and silence. Like Hal said in an earlier comment on this thread, there are some things one simply could not talk about once it was over. The syndrome of the returning soldier, whose memories cannot be reconciled with a normal civilian life. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T05:29:05Z SecondChildTAG: Hi dcaillat, long digression indeed, but worthwhile. Just a few things that came to mind: - while maintaining that 'the **notion of free will** pervades the Iliad', you imply at the same time that free will is very effectively frustrated by the Gods, fate, .. So can one then effectively speak at all of free will? Have a look at the relevant discussion "Fate made the heroes do what they did .." in my cohort Ariadne; I think it should be accessible via [my page][1] here. - **how WWI evolved**: I expect you're already aware of it, but recently an excellent new and highly appraised [account][2] by Christopher Clark has been published. Presently only available in hardcover; paperback coming up later this year. - 'The **syndrome of the returning soldier**, whose memories cannot be reconciled with a normal civilian life.' Is that not exactly why Achilles had to die, after he found himself having been turned into an mindless, abominable, ferocious beast? His single vulnerability in the end proved his salvation, in returning him, dead but immortalized at the same time, to humanity. [1]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/users/1278669 [2]: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sleepwalkers-How-Europe-Went-1914/dp/0141027827/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365328105&sr=1-2&keywords=christopher%20clark%20the%20sleepwalkers SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scherings SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T09:21:37Z SecondChildTAG: Hi again, Scherings, and thanks for your comment: - **notion of free will**: no, I don't mean that it is frustrated by the gods or by fate, but that we are social animals and that our personal free will is confronted at all times to socio-political pressure, which may run counter our deepest wishes or individual interests. We can still go our own way (Achilles could decide to go back home, the soldiers could desert) but subject ourselves, possibly, to punishment or denigration. - **Christopher Clark**: I have heard of his book and will try and read it as soon as I have a little time. Clearly, the 100th anniversary will produce all sorts of analyses by historians, and our shelves will overflow with them... (I probably summarised a little too much in saying that we slipped blindly into war. Still, there were alliance mechanisms involved and the decision to let them function was not made in the full realization of what we were getting ourselves into.) - **The returning soldier**: interesting interpretation. I was actually talking about the return of a mortal surviving soldier to civilian life and the well-known difficulty of adapting to it and of talking about one's experiences. In this sense, Achilles does not return. His conduct - as you say: mindless, abominable, ferocious, beastly - can only be explained by rage and the need for vengeance: again a phenomenon we hear from soldiers who lose any sense of humanity in the midst of battle. Hard to understand for someone who wasn't there, but we have heard about this so often. A brutal read... I am still reflecting on Achilles's turnabout in the end. He seems to be obeying the gods rather than changing his mind spontaneously: it isn't totally satisfying in terms of our modern perspective. But I will have to read "slowly" again, having only run through the pages. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T12:00:00Z SecondChildTAG: Bearing in mind all the previous comments about free will, and in my knowledge of Greek myths, I still think of 'King Lear' "As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods. They kill us for their sport". SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T14:49:51Z SecondChildTAG: Ah, but Lear (and Gloucester) bring their fate upon themselves... Living in a world with free will comes with the responsibility of making good judgments. A quote for a quote: Cassius: *"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, / But in ourselves, that we are underlings."* *Julius Caesar (I, ii, 140-141)* SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T15:09:43Z SecondChildTAG: Yes I know, but it still **sounds** good! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T16:04:55Z SecondChildTAG: Oh, there we are in total agreement, deat Athene!!" :-) Cheers, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T16:22:30Z SecondChildTAG: Fascinating that we still talk of free will. But on its own, since it is not one of the building blocks of the universe at all, it is meaningless. It needs a frame or a background to make sense. It is a man made or arrived at notion and it presupposes free access to information while it also demands that a free choice be freely expressed. So free will has no substance if it is not executable and no moral value if it is not at least minimally informed. If fate or god give a share of the world that suits us for special reasons they also give a thing called spirit in the sense of intellect to deal with that share as best we can. If we do not accept that anything is given, or given for nothing, then all the more our share of anything or everything is also conditioned by the same parameters of information and executability and I should think reciprocity. It is moreover why man searches for the moral or the aesthetic, or for both as some say they are intertwined, or for any other quest. All to inform or apply our free will. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1147837 SecondChildUserNameTAG: yorgo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T18:33:03Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Classmates... I tend to agree with Dominique on free will in the Iliad. Professor Nagy asked us about this at the end of the Hour 1 close reading exercises. I wrote this to my cohort group at the time and wonder what you think: **Professor Nagy is asking us why it's probably inappropriate for us to argue that, in The Iliad, "fate made the heroes do what they did" as he believes the heroes are free agents.** There is evidence of this in Scroll 2 when the narrator says that if the Argives had gone home, rather than stay and fight, "Then surely the Argives would have had a return [nostos] after a fashion that was not fated. [II.155]" Or as Fitzgerald translates it, they would be "overriding their own destiny." If a hero can "override" his fate then his fate is not inevitable. And some, such as Achilles, have two fates _requiring_ them to make a choice. **Perhaps you can also argue that _the gods_ did not make the heroes do what they did.** Because fate appears to be different from the "Will of Zeus." For example, in Scroll 22, when Zeus contemplates saving Hektor from being killed by Achilles, Athena warns Zeus not to release Hektor from his fate: “Father, ... what mean you? Would you pluck this mortal whose doom has long been decreed out of the jaws of death? Do as you will, but we others shall not be of a mind with you. [XXII.177]” And likewise, in Scroll 16, Hera dissuades Zeus from saving his son, Sarpedon: "Would you snatch a mortal man, whose doom has long been fated, out of the jaws of death? Do as you will, but we shall not all of us be of your mind. [XVI.430]" **The Will of Zeus was that Herakles should be "king over all the people who live around him," but that's not what happened.** Can we say that despite Zeus' Will (and despite Hera's meddling), it was Herakles' _fate_ to obey Eurystheus and perform the 12 Labors? Further, can we say that having such a fate was not enough to make him a hero but that, as a free agent, he had to earn his kleos by choosing to perform, and _actually_ performing, those Labors? Cheers, Genghis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T08:56:39Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Genghis, an interesting follow-up question would be: what is fate, what are gods? How do they relate to one another? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T09:38:09Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, indeed. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T15:38:20Z FirstChildTAG: There are two types of lament even in modern times in Greece. The informal type performed by the closest mempers or memper of the family of the dead person and the formal type performed by specialists on this kind of song who are singing in turns as soloists and in group as choral sometomes including in the performance family mempers. The informal type is performed at the time of death or at the announcement of death while the formal type is performed at the funeral as a ritual. Thetis on text G laments for her son as a premonition for she is a goddess and already knows his fate. Later at the funeral there will be a formal lament by the experts the Muses and the Nereides including the mother. So Thetis' lament can be seen as a preview for the overall lament to follow. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294673 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KOTSOS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T15:41:45Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Kostos. You mention the two types of lament even in modern Greece: informal by the family (at the time of death); formal by the professionals at the funeral. But what about laments of premonition? Do they still exist? For example, if someone is very ill and on their deathbed, does the family lament? Genghis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T07:36:13Z SecondChildTAG: No, there is no lament in this case. It's considered to be bad luck, inapropriate even offensive! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1294673 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KOTSOS SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T20:02:16Z SecondChildTAG: That makes sense. Thanks, Kostos. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T00:15:26Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis begins the lament. She is the soloist, the lead singer. The group of Nereids mourns in response, though there is a delay in the response. Yet, the nine Muses, as professional singers and closer to the medium that Homeric poetry represents, are there and sing antiphonally. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1398570 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Heleni FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T17:25:52Z FirstChildTAG: Perhaps it has to do with a **descending** scale of lamenting. Thetis starts the lament over her living son in Text G, because she knows he is about to die and because Achilles himself feels already dead inside with Patroklos' death. So, as participants we feel that, when Achilles really dies, the intensity of this sorrow must be expressed -through laments- not only by his mother, a single person, but a whole chorus of women. So, the women nearer to Thetis are her sisters, the Nereids. The Muses should follow, because they are the ones who inspire the master narrator to perform the Iliad itself. These women have to be goddesses and professionals over laments, in order to secure and preserve the timelessness of the hero. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T14:27:10Z FirstChildTAG: There are a great comments and idea's here and I hope that my thoughts a can add to these. The lament of Thetis is sang before the Achilles has died, whereas the laments of the Muses and the Nereids are sang after the death of Achillies. Thetis is predicting Achilles death and is morning what may happen to her son. She is how telling him to the unending glory that he will gain if he dies as predicited. This unending glory is confirmed and reiterated by the laments sang by the muses at Achilles funeral. His song of glory that he has earned in his sorrow, that his mother has predicted, and is deeds as a hero in his battle is predicted by his mother and reiterated by the muses. His mother also uses a comparison of her son growing like a plant and in the laments of Achilles death that he wilted like a plant and this is a good example of a link between the lyric and the epic narrative. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1098398 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Susanmj FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T18:52:07Z FirstChildTAG: Homer , as we have already seen prepares the audience over scenes to come, it is like dropping hints of what will follow next. In greek it is called "prooikonomia' , the poet says something which , if we take into deeper consideration ,we can easily understand the progress of narration .Of course in this way the audience get familiarised and develops a vivid expectation for the end of the myth. This scene reminds me other similar scenes like the lament of Andromache before Hector's death. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279322 FirstChildUserNameTAG: eleni1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T19:37:11Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis is a mother unfortunate enough to know that her one and only son is destined to die in his prime without enjoying the bliss of common people’s life. The fact that she is an immortal goddess actually adds to her sorrow, because she realizes that she cannot do anything to change the fate of her son. Now she counts down the remaining days, she foresees the imminent death of Achilles and she grieves for his bitter sorrows. But though she compassionates with him, her song finally translates into a personal lament even before her son perishes. It is this particular song that in a way will continue at Achilles funeral. But there it will develop to a proper lament sung by Thetis and the Nereids (who are the family) and the Muses (the “professional” singers), who will transform it to an eternal song (kleos aphthito). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1340174 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Dimitra_21 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T22:01:53Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis as a goddess always know that is son is doomed to die. I think that through this lamentation she is expressing her "frustation" because she already knows everything and she can't interfere in the destiny of Achilles. The only comfort is the imperishable glory that Achilles will gain after his death. I hope my contribution is clear but is a little bit hard to express opinion and feelings in another language :-). But I'll do my best. Thank you to everybody and to our near and dear Professor Nagy. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1275834 FirstChildUserNameTAG: claudia67 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T20:37:29Z SecondChildTAG: You are perfectly clear, thanks Claudia :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T20:48:33Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis' lament is foretelling to spectators what can possibly happen when Achilles dies. His death and funeral are not part of Illiad. Thetis as being the closest kin is showing physical and emotional elements of lament. Achilles is not dead yet, but the pain Thetis will endure is already known to her. Crying and singing at the same time, she is showing her sorrow. Muses are lamenting in a more stylized way. Muses' lament and Thetis' lament are woven together in a way that personal sorrow becomes public. Whoever is listening these laments are in sorrow for Achilles and they remember their sorrows as well. When Muses participate and lament for Achilles, they are keeping record of this event and making it eternal. Achilles will be remembered forever. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1434241 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mayragul FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T02:57:37Z FirstChildTAG: The lamentation of Thetis (Iliad XVIII) begins before the death of Achilles. It is intense and personal, the cry of a mother who must watch helplessly as her son moves from intense sorrow to death. This song of sorrow begins in the realm of her father and is supported and echoed by the lamentation of Thetis' sisters, the Nereids. This is the emotional, unrestrained and primitive expression of overwhelming grief for the death of the hero. These immortals can not know death directly, but they can mourn the death of a loved one cut down well before his time. This is the beginning of the process that will create the unwilting glory in song that was foretold for Achilles. > The crystal cave was filled with their multitude and they all beat > their breasts while Thetis led them in their lament. “Listen,” she > cried, “sisters, daughters of Nereus, that you may hear the burden of > my sorrows. Iliad XVIII The actual death of Achilles occurs after the end of the Iliad. The mourning that accompanies the funeral rites is described in an a lyric poem of Pindar and at the end of the Odyssey. This lamentation has followed the natural progression. It remains deeply sad and for the Nereids deeply personal, but the abandon has been replaced by ritual as they prepare for burning and burial. > Standing around you were the daughters of the Old One of the sea [= > Nereus], weeping piteously, and they [= the Nereids] clothed you [= > the corpse of Achilles] in immortalizing [ambrota] clothes. Odyssey XXIV The personal mourners are joined by the Muses singing their song of lament. The beauty of their song is famed. They have seen and remembered everything that has happened. They bring all their listeners to tears at the death of Achilles. This is the moment of transformation when the sadness at the death of the hero is changed into the glory in song that had been foretold by Thetis. The muses are called upon at the beginning of each performance of the Iliad, the song of the glory of Achilles. Their song of lament at the funeral of Achilles is the first performance, fulfilling the prediction of Thetis. > The nine Muses also came, all of them, and sang antiphonally with a > beautiful voice, singing their song of lament [thrēneîn]; you could > not spot a single person who was not shedding tears, of all the > Argives [= Achaeans], so loudly did the piercing sound of lament rise > up. Days and nights seven and ten we mourned you, mortals and > immortals alike. Odyssey XXIV > they poured forth a song of lamentation [thrēnos] that is famed far > and wide. And so it was that the immortal gods decided to hand over > the man, genuine [esthlos] as he was even after he had perished > [phthinein] in death, to the songs of the goddesses [= the Muses]. Pindar Isthmian FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T05:15:53Z SecondChildTAG: Beautifully said, Priscilla. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T05:50:58Z SecondChildTAG: Very well said indeed! Yes, there seems to be a progression from private to public lament, and the fulfillment of prophesy/destiny. At the same time, is there not also a progression in *insight*, too, I wonder? Is it not significant that Achilles is eulologized by [the ghost of] *Agamemnon*, that very man who himself died an utterly ignoble death? Is it not significant that the muses' voices are '*calling and answering one another*'? Might not *their* song (as opposed to the private wailing of the next-of-kin) be the theatrical, *tragic* kind, about war and peace, the eternal story of man's war and peace, life and death, beauty and suffering, expressed by 'antiphony'? Is it not significant that the eulology is rendered at the very end of the epic, Iliad and Odyssey, in that a-typical peace-making chapter XXIV, where Athena restores peace and urges Odysseus not to “court the rage of Zeus who rules the world!”? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scherings SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T11:16:42Z SecondChildTAG: The Odyssey always seems to me to end so abruptly though-that last paragraph, as if Homer is thinking "how do I end this one"? If you all will excuse my rotten sense of humour - a real deus ex machina!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T19:26:53Z SecondChildTAG: Scherings, Do you mean the insight of the listener/reader into the choices and situations that lead to Achilles death and the glory that followed? I would like to know more about your thoughts here. I agree that the song of the Muses is more tragic and powerful than personal sorrow. They are expressing the universal sorrow and glory of men of the past who were heroes. I too find the end of the Odyssey odd. It seems a foreshadowing for a full telling of the tragedy of Agamemnon and as if it meant to foretell continued strife between Odysseus and the families of the suitors and then changed its mind. It will be very interesting to see how we treat this material later. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T20:41:47Z SecondChildTAG: Very helpful post - thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1385489 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dsfowler SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T00:23:37Z SecondChildTAG: This is great, Priscilla: _The personal mourners are joined by the Muses singing their song of lament. ... This is the moment of transformation when the sadness at the death of the hero is changed into the glory in song that had been foretold by Thetis. The muses are called upon at the beginning of each performance of the Iliad, the song of the glory of Achilles. Their song of lament at the funeral of Achilles is the first performance ..._ Genghis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T07:44:18Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis upon hearing the loss of Patroklos (who was the philtatos for Achilles) she realizes that Achilles is going to be from that time on the man of constant sorrow (the words “penthos” and “akhnutai” are very indicative). She thus starts lamenting for Achilles as her being a goddess allows her to foresee his future. Her son, being a beautiful seedling that is animated by the flow of vitality is going to be cut down and will wilt (phthinein). And the mother and son scene reminds us very much of another mother-son scene in Odyssey, that of Antikleia with Odyssey in the Under World. We see that even though she is a goddess the characteristic of the anthropomorphism of the epic gods, in the sense of her feeling the pain of a mortal mother and lamenting for his imminent is quite evident. A parallel of a lament performed as an act of premonition was also the first lament of Andromache for the imminent death of Hector while he was still alive. So, after this act of premonition, the lament that happens at his funeral (as we see in Odyssey) zooms out from his mother as a soloist and his next of kin, his aunts the Nereids to the Muses and all the Achaeans. Thetis and the Nereids will lament in a choral performance and although choral performance is a group activity her emotions predominate. The Muses will lament antiphonally with the back and forth motion and taking turns. The Muses lamenting more professionally (thrēneîn, thrēnos), Thetis and the Nereids more physically. Achilles will die in the end, his beautiful flower will wilt (phthinein) but the poetic kleos (glory) he will get from the Muses never will. It will be imperishable, unwilting, unfailing. It will be an immortal mutant to glorify his memory in the generations to come and that is why Pindar is using the metaphor with the chariot, comparing the song of glory by which the death of Achilles is compensated, to the momentum of a chariot with racehorses. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1402699 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Archaeo100 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T11:14:00Z FirstChildTAG: Hello!: I think that could be when Thetis says "i will never be welcoming him back home as returning warrior...",here she is predicting the death of the hero, she is expressing that he is doomed to die. And then, in death,the hero wins the ultimate prize of life eternal in song. There is compensation, inmortality, in the form of singing done by Muses, who are there where the heroic actions happen. Thanks. Mónica. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 926923 FirstChildUserNameTAG: z4 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T15:07:45Z FirstChildTAG: Achilles' funeral will not take place in the Iliad, although it is clearly stated and anticipated. Thetis' lament is a preview of the lament that will take place at his funeral where Thetis, the Nereids and the Muses take part. In Iliad we only see Thetis and the Nereids. But let us not forget that Thetis' lament is embedded in the narrative of the master Narrator, whose narrative is supposed to originate from the Muses themselves, as stated at the very beginning of the Iliad. So, at this point, the lament of Thetis is merged with the song of the Muses. In a way Thetis' lament equals with the Muses' lament. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: galandreas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T15:07:48Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis, as Achilles goddess mother, is the close relative who laments his death before the fact. The Nereids are related to his goddess-mother and represent the group of kin who lament the deceased in song culture. Both Nereids, the kin, and the muses, the professional singers, lament at Achilles' funeral. This choral group are part of the imperishable lament that will never cease for the hero. Along with them the other people at the performance also lament, making the sorrow their own. As in wedding songs too the bride and bridegroom are likened to goddess and god, so is Achilles, as the perfect bridegroom, who dies too young, imaged as being both a beautiful man and a god, partaking of mortality and immortality at the same time. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1195854 FirstChildUserNameTAG: OliviaDiamond FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T15:33:50Z FirstChildTAG: Well, this scene strikes me as very similar to the "preview" of the lament for Hector that we studied in one of the previous hours, where Andromache is shown behaving as if her husband was already dead when she sees him in Book VI. Both Hector and Achilles´deaths are ominously impending in each of the scenes, and we feel as if the events that will lead to that are already set in motion. So we see the two women who are closest to those heroes, and will therefore lead the lament for them when they die (Hector´s wife and Achilles´ mother, since he´s young and not married) have an anticipation of what is going to happen and performing a "premonitory" lament, which will later be picked up and elaborated upon by both themselves, their relatives and the professionals when the time comes for the heroes to actually die. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1521641 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PaminaFernandez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T16:45:31Z FirstChildTAG: On the subject of laments, I just viewed the movie *Želary*, a Czech/Slovakian movie by appropriately named director, Ondřej Trojan. The final scenes were all the more beautiful to me now that I am taking this course. Do not want to say more. The movie is very long (which is a plus for me) but very much worth viewing. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1114557 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JacquiRenee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T13:43:32Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for mentioning this, JacquiRenee. It seems like a beautiful and poignant film. I will try to find the DVD. Here is a trailer I found on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeYkplAeA1o SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T19:02:13Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks! I tried to find a clip of the ending but not available and just as well as i would hate to spoil the journey. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1114557 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JacquiRenee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T01:38:31Z FirstChildTAG: These novels, purportedly by a blind poet, are obviously cribbed from Vedic texts, and lightly sprinkled with historical legends with respect to the Trojan / Hellenic battles circa 1100 BCE. These are not religious documents per se. Hence, I do not see the need to obsess over the meaning of each word and phrase, as though one could discover the keys to life and happiness in their pages. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 704070 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CurtisHelms FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T08:18:52Z SecondChildTAG: So you are saying that in religious documents one can find the answers to questions about life and happiness. What if someone found these keys in Homer's epics too? Would that make them religious documents? Or are you saying that over-analysing might hide the overall composition's target or effect or whatever? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1147837 SecondChildUserNameTAG: yorgo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T18:47:18Z SecondChildTAG: I am trying to understand. Are you saying that only religious documents are worthy of analysis and contain the keys to life and happiness? I would be interested in seeing a definition or even a description of "religious document" to go with that assertion. To be consistent with your statement such a definition would exclude the Iliad which certainly played a central role in the beliefs and rites of the Ancient Greek culture. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T20:05:38Z SecondChildTAG: If I understand you correctly CurtisHelms, you see religious documents as the only written source to "the keys to life and happiness". If so, I deeply disagree with you. If I misunderstood your post, I am sorry. Could you please explain? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1423155 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Elsebeth SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T21:29:27Z SecondChildTAG: Could you define "are obviously cribbed from Vedic texts"? Also I find the connection that you seem to imply, between religious documents and keys to life and happiness, problematic and a little bit oversimplified. It is a whole new topic and I say that with all do respect. I am a student of Religious Studies and from my experience all religious documents have many different layers of understanding and are "products" of various factors and conditions, which make them anything but a guide to life and happiness. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1335694 SecondChildUserNameTAG: voulakatr SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T08:15:40Z SecondChildTAG: Folks, Are we reading too much into or out of the texts? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1375995 SecondChildUserNameTAG: antoniosanz SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T21:20:47Z SecondChildTAG: I am certain that we are reading too much both into and out of everything. That goes with being a beginner. We have a new mental toy and we want to play with it. However, Mr. Helms started with a provocative remark without enough information to understand more than the fact that it was provocative. In my book, provocative is often good and leads to great discussion and learning. I, at least, want to know more. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T23:08:19Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis is a goddess and can therefore predict the death of her son. Her sorrow or lament is described as 'penthos' while the muses lamentation is described as 'Threnos'. Thetis know her son is a man of many sorrows and she can see that as long as he lives, he will have sadness. The muses are the reason Achilles becomes 'Imperishable' while the fact that Thetis, by removing his body from the funeral pyre, makes him immortal.The song of the muses will live forever and become an eternal part of epic and lyric performance. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1262778 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bhatiar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T23:49:34Z FirstChildTAG: Dominique and Priscilla especially, but all others too, Great stuff. I have only just finished the close reading exercise (had bad download trouble!) so I sat down and read the three texts, and worked out an answer to this question. I then came here all ready to post, and started reading your comments. Between you I think you have really said it well. - Pindar shows us the thrēnos of the public mourners, the Muses. - Il.XVIII Thetis shows us the goos mourning of a kinswoman. - The Odyssey shows us both together, antiphonally. The concept of a progression from personal to public mourning agrees with this, and accords well not only with Alexiou, but also with what I have seen in practice both in Greece and here in Lebanon (though it is uncommon here, we saw the combination of public mourners and kinswomen in action on television a while back here, for a dead [Christian] army officer, and it was indeed antiphonal. I wish I had had the prescience to hit the record button). There are two significant differences though, which I think we might be unwise to forget. 1. The lament of Thetis is a premonition. Alexiou quite rightly points out that this is a thing of ill omen. You do not mourn people who are not already dead without risk, even if they are playing dead. I am sure it is not a case of reading in to assume that when Thetis previews Achilles death, she makes the deadly outcome more, not less certain. The other two, however, are both post-death, so this issue does not arise. 2. Pindar and Thetis both lay emphasis on phthisis. In the Odyssey, phthisis has gone, and the emphasis is on the body's *ambrota* - immortalizing - clothes. Achilles is in the process of apotheosis, so phthisis is no longer relevant? I am guessing that he is already aphthiton at this point, so it does not need mentioning. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T20:39:38Z SecondChildTAG: Brilliant and learned as usual, Brian. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T08:30:55Z SecondChildTAG: learned? Bcz I've now read 1/2 of one book - gulp! BTW, I do recommend Margaret Alexiou's book. Unlike so many academic references, this one is beautifully written as well, and makes a really good read! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T10:54:16Z SecondChildTAG: More books?! OK. I was planning to build yet another shelf anyway (there is some room left near the ceiling in the kitchen), since walking among the piles in my flat is becoming precarious. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T11:10:18Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for the chuckle. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T13:56:50Z FirstChildTAG: That Achilles was doomed to die young was known to spectators watching The Iliad being performed. The dramatic tension of the narrative was added to by reiterating the theme of early death, a theme on which many key ideas of heroism and imperishable glory were attached. As such, every hero's death in the epic, and every lament sung, "previews" or foreshadows the death of Achilles which happens outside The Iliad. Huge emotive power is created by means of this iterative device and pathos is enhanced. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: N19 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T07:13:31Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis lament made me think of Andromache's lament and how those two women might have felt when they come face to face with the hopelessness of death. What i mean is that both Andromache and Thetis know that their number one in the scale of affection is about to meet their death and they both lament their beloved ones before their time, while they are still alive.They are aware that no matter what they do or say those heroes will not deviate from what the era commands them to do and that is fight for the kleos andron even if that leads them to their wilt. So i believe is no coincidence that Achilles and Hektor and Andromache share the same adjective "ikeloitheois" in two different types of poetry. It seems to me that those two heroes although bitter enemies have a lot in common and the pain the relatives feel (thetis and Andromache) is of equal importance. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1218595 FirstChildUserNameTAG: markazaki FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T08:37:17Z FirstChildTAG: The comment I wrote yesterday has disappeared so I submit it again. Thetis, as a goddess, knows that his beloved son will die soon after Patroklos' death. In text G we see how she is lamenting over the sorrow that Achilles is experiencing due to Patroklos' death, and that reminds her of Achilles' destiny. Moreover; Achilles, after learning of Patroklos' death, acts as he was dead as well because Patroklos was the only source of happiness for him and the only part of himself that is free of sorrow. Besides, Achilles' mother knows that his grief will turn into being eager to kill Hektor whereby Achilles' physical death won't be avoidable anymore. Therefore, Thetis is actually lamenting, with a deep grief, Achilles' psychological death (that is, his grief for his alter ego's death) and his future physical death. During Achilles' funeral, the Nereids (led by Thetis) and the Muses sing and cry lamenting our hero's death. That is the reason why we might say that Thetis, in text G, is performing a lament song for his son's psychological death as well as a preview of the future lament song for his physical death that she will perform along with the Nereids. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 754083 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aquiles77 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T11:16:51Z FirstChildTAG: In Iliad of Homer, we can often see scenes that prepare the reader for main subjects that will come as the plot continues.It's one of the technics that the poet is using to built his epic poem. Achilles is the main star of the Iliad and always the death of the protagonist is an important scene.The lament of Thetis is not only showing us the love of a mother to her son but also it reveals to the reader that Achilles will die(die as a great hero "the very best of heroes".Just like the first lament of Andromache for Hector. Before Thetis begins her lament the poet informs the reader about the "audience" that she has the Neirds.The same daughters of the sea will appear around the dead body of Achilles as there is in Odyssey xxiv 58-64 and in Aithiopis.I believe that the lament of Thetis previews something else too:the unwilting kleos that Achilles will receive after his death by the presence of the nine Muses.The Muses who speak through the poets and their words are staying for the record, unwilting and eternal. One of the many examples is this specific passage of Pindaros, a poet whos writes after Homer .Finally, i think there is a strong connection between Iliad, Odyssey and pre epic poetry like Aithiopis. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 935487 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aristeagr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T18:27:24Z SecondChildTAG: Aristea, what an excellent point you make with the preview of the kleos aphthiton and the presence of the Muses through whom the poets speak! Thank you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 225142 SecondChildUserNameTAG: amiralouf SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T21:42:55Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis laments Achilles as if he is already dead. She imagines him as a seedling, as a beautiful flower that it is cut down in its prime. She knows that if her son kills Hector, then he is going to die. Even though she is a goddess, she cannot do anything to save her son who is doomed to die. So when Patroklos is dead, she understands that her son's death is also too close because Patroklos is the other self of Achilles, his alter ego, and since he is dead, Achilles will also die. The death of Patroklos is a vicarious death for Achilles himself because Patroklos is the ritual substitute for Achilles himself and his death leads to the death of Achilles. That's why Thetis laments him before he is dead. She knows that soon he is going to die. The lament of Thetis in Text G previews the lament that both the Muses and the Nereids (led by Thetis) will sing at the funeral of Achilles. At that time, Achilles is dead and his mother with his aunts sing a lament which transfers their sorrow and pain. Their grief takes the form of a song, of a lament which would be sung in real life by lamenting women. So, Thetis and her sisters with the help of the Muses sing a lament, namely they cry and sing, they sing and cry for the death of Achilles. The Muses participate in the performance of the lament and they are an essential part of the performance of the lament because they correspond to professional singers of sad songs and they have the ability to have a total recall of what happened. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1151803 FirstChildUserNameTAG: konstantinakiari FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T19:49:29Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis, already knows that her son is a man of constant sorrow. She already knows the destiny of her child! As a mother, she feels the pain of her child and that makes her also the carrier of his sorrow and his pain. Indeed, Thetis laments Achilles as if he is already dead. She knows that he is going to die soon and at the same time she feels desperate because even though she is a goddess she will be unable to save her son! All that she can do is to stand by him and try to offer him some relief from the pain and sorrow and anger that he feels... That makes her also a "goddess of constant sorrow"! Therefore, we can say that her lament in Text G previews the lament that both the Muses and the Nereids will be singing at the funeral of Achilles. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 794169 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ChristosMoiss FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T21:48:38Z FirstChildTAG: 1) A lament also contains a prediction about the future, about things that haven’t happened yet. This is how the lament in Text G works, too. 2) Thetis, as the closer person to Achilles must start the lamentation and then the group of women/ family members and professional mourners take turn. “Thetis is the soloist in a group performance”. 3) The cycle of Achille’s story [kleos] starts with Iliad and closes with Odyssey. We prepare ourselves for Achille’s death with the [mēnis] and we finaly witness his burial at the end of Odyssey, in Text H. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T10:48:41Z FirstChildTAG: Hello all, I read the posts so far and I have to say, I am very impressed and grateful! In fact, I have read all the things I would like to write about too: the premonition lament, the personal and public lament, the presence of the Muses through whom Achilles' kleos will be sang by the poets in the future, you have mentioned every point I had in my mind, so it is difficult to contribute somehow to this discussion forum. The only thing that comes through my mind is something professor Nagy and Claudia talked about in one of the videos that I found very interesting and in relevance with this subject of discussion with the different lament songs for Achilles from the different sources: the thought of the back and forth and the un- timeness(sorry, I am not sure if this is the right word) of the hero. Thetis is lamenting for Achilles before his death. And, yes, this is the personal lament of a mother for her soon to die son, but it is this lament for Achilles' death the base for Illiad, as it is the kleos of Achilles. Achilles dies in Illiad, in 'real time', but we read/ hear about his funeral from other sources, so the song for his kleos song is composed after the Illiad. Ok, I do not want to blabber more, so just this thought. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 225142 FirstChildUserNameTAG: amiralouf FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T22:36:37Z FirstChildTAG: In Iliad XVIII 54-64, The goddess Thetis laments Achilles, foretelling his tragic death. In Iliad XXIV 58-64, the goddess bemoans, along with her Nereids and the nine muses, a perfect, symmetrical song of lament, after Achilles' actual death. Which is sung as an antiphonal thrēneîn that provokes total empathy to all listeners, causing them to shed tears of mourning for the hero. Both laments remind me of the way operatic themes are developed in music later on in history: a musical theme is introduced, usually by a soloist, and later repeated by a chorus of singers that take the lament to a crescendo, thus creating an emotional climax similar to Thetis' in Iliad XXIV. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1195703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fernandoromo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T01:23:21Z FirstChildTAG: One of the interesting things about this preview lament of Tethis ( text H) is that it takes place in her own home which is a sea cave in the presence and with the participation of her sisters . There isn't actually a dead body in the cave to grieve. Tethis hears Achilles cry but she does not know what it is about and she knows that Achilles is still alive since she hears his cry. It is almost as if Tethis seems to be lamenting herself, her own helplessness at preventing her beloved and unique son's eminent death . This preview is like a spontaneous outburst of her own emotion then a formal lament associated to a sacred place where a body is laid out publicly . She already knows that her son's death is approaching and she is expressing her deepest sorrow to her sisters at the thought of his premature but heroic death. It is only when Thetis and her entourage go to see Achilles in his camp and sees Achilles "groaning" that she is able to lay his hands upon his head and ask him the cause of his sorrow. When she sees that Achilles' is inconsolable about the death of Patroclus , this mirrors the fact that she herself is inconsolable at the idea of her son's death . She is having to face the inevitability of it through the crisis that Achilles faces . Perhaps the tremendous heroic force of Achilles revengefullness renders her even more powerless , though she is herself divine, to successfully come of aid to her son. This is a very powerful emotional moment that precede the lamentations at the funeral of Achilles portraying a decisive moment of his heroic glory even before it has taken place. Achilles heroic force is now seen as irrevocable. He will be eternally glorified at his funeral through the poetic songs of the weeping Nerieids and then the 9 Muses sing in turn to a crowd of weeping Acheaens for days and nights which we will see in text H and A. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 805667 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KCK FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T06:25:53Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks. You make the importance of the first lament as preview very clear. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T17:19:08Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for saying the importance of place in the preview. Perceptive. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T13:54:01Z FirstChildTAG: As I'm sure many others have said. The first lament, which is Thetis and her sisters, is the more emotive, less professional lament compared to the second lament where the Muses eternally glorify Achilles memory. Thetis' first lament is foreshadowing for the greater lament that is to come. We've spoken about "echo" effect before. And I wonder if the glory of Achilles is so loudly and greatly proclaimed because it was an immortal mother who sung his first lament. That her emotions, as a goddess' are stronger than a mortals and result in a greater "echo". Straying from the analogy of "echoes". I wonder if the first lament can be compared to that of a patron of an artist. The first lament was a prelude, or a "lesser sketch" to the eternal glorifying master piece of the song of Muses, who professionally engrave the Hero's memory in time. And seeing as the most recognized heroes (at least in the Iliad) tend to be the offspring of gods and mortals. Could the Muses be putting in a little bit more effort for their fellow gods who grieve their dead children as a favor? Like an artist who puts in slightly more care and effort for a patron who is a friend? This question just came to mind at the last moment, I would love to hear your thoughts on this. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168963 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jdry FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T07:09:09Z FirstChildTAG: In both cases, these firsts laments works as a premonition. The first lament of Andromache is a premonition of Hector's death. The first lament of Thetis is a premonition of the facts that will cause the laments of the Muses and the Nereids, laments that follow now the death and the funeral of Achilles. The death of Patroklos is a vicarious death for Achilles himself because Patroklos is the ritual substitute for Achilles himself and his death leads to the death of Achilles. That's why Thetis laments him before he is dead. She knows that soon he is going to die. The lament of Thetis in Text G previews the lament that both the Muses and the Nereids (led by Thetis) will sing at the funeral of Achilles. A progression from personal to public mourning. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1375458 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jlph FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T08:39:47Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Prof. Gregory and staff. First of all,thanks a lot for these wonferful lessons. English isn't my tongue language and even though I understand almost everything I read (at least during the first 4 hours) it's really hard to talk or write and express my thoughts. That's the reason I haven't participated in the discussion so long.But today I'll try, because as I did the close reading I made a thought-another, let's say, aspect of the lament and please correct me if I'm wrong, if I'm totally out of the plot. Well,I think that Thetis' lament(or Andromache's lament) concerns firstly and mainly Thetis herself.I mean that the lament has taken two dimensions:one for Achilles and one for Thetis herself. She feels pity for herself because she knows what's going to happen but she is unable to help. She mourns herself for being unfortune,about what will happen to her. SHE is the one who's going to loose her perfect son. SHE is the MOTHER (mortal or immortal-it has no matter) who's going to bury her young-as a flower- son. Andromache was crying as well, when she was thinking of HER FATE after Hector's death. I don't want to say that this is a selfish act of herself but a deep emotional and of course normal human reaction. This lament bears in my mind a scene of the real life. Let's say, as an example, that a mother has a son in the hospital and the doctors have said that he is definitely going to die. Even though the son is still alive, the mother laments him as she was thinking of all these wonderful things he will never see or feel or get axperienced. And she cries about it. But first and foremost she laments herself, she pities herself, she deplores herself, she despises herself about what happens to her and can't avoid it or avert it.If she was able to, she would sacrifice herself in order to save her son. But she can't. It's inevitable(neither gods have the right to go against the fate). And that makes her crazy. So she cries and laments. All this pain it needs to be shared with somebody close to her (sister, husband,friend e.t.c.)Thetis did the same.She needed to share her thoughts and emotions with her sisters. After the son's death, there is the funeral where relatives and friends, all together, lament the dead man.At the funeral we have the formal type of lament and all these preperation for the dead man, for his trip to Ades, according the ancient greek funeral customs. I hope to make my thoughts clear for you and my response to be an appropiate one. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1408143 FirstChildUserNameTAG: katpap FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T13:49:56Z SecondChildTAG: I think that your real life example gets the emotions exactly right. The pain for the changes in ones own life is a natural and important part of mourning, especially when the loss is of someone young, dead before his time. I am sure that it was very difficult, but you express yourself very well in English. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T17:34:37Z SecondChildTAG: Katpap, Your statement: > All this pain it needs to be shared with somebody close to her (sister, husband,friend e.t.c.)Thetis did the same.She needed to share her thoughts and emotions with her sisters. made me think of the first time Thetis comforts Achilles in Scroll I: > As he spoke he wept aloud, and his mother heard him where she was sitting in the depths of the sea hard by the Old One, her father. Soon she rose up like gray mist out of the waves, [360] sat down before him as he stood weeping, caressed him with her hand, and said, "My son, why are you weeping? What is it that gives you grief [penthos]? Keep it not from me in your mind [noos], but tell me, that we may know it together." Achilles drew a deep sigh and said, [365] "You know it; why tell you what you know well already? Thetis knew what happened with Agamemnon and Briseis, but she wanted Achilles to share his grief/anger with her. I was thinking that this sharing of grief leads to lamenting together, ultimately the progressive formal (as opposed to individual) antiphonal responses we are looking at with the Nereids and Muses. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T22:17:06Z SecondChildTAG: Agree Hampgal. Also, from a narrative point of view it helps (the audience) to refresh the source of Achilles' sorrow (as well as foretelling events). This is a very long poem, and even if the ancient Greeks were trained, telling them what's going to happen, telling them, and then telling them what you told them before helps drive the message home. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1375995 SecondChildUserNameTAG: antoniosanz SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T17:16:42Z FirstChildTAG: The preview is on a great emotional scale as laments go and it evokes the natural world and the beautiful flower that she sees her son as. A man cut in or before his prime, before he can become the perfect bridegroom that he of all people should have been. So the perfection of Achilles is heart rending in a sense by itself but the foreseen unhappiness of the man´s life and his end just add to it. What can I say, it is the definitive true lament that only needs for her the seal of the muses. Her sisters and the muses is something that is on its way over and if the participants are all aware of this the more her initial lament must seem as starting the roaring relay of threnos. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1147837 FirstChildUserNameTAG: yorgo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T15:42:25Z FirstChildTAG: Like Erza, I see an evolution in the laments and their effects: Tethis’s lament is emotionnally the strongest - even though her lament anticipates on Achilles's death - because she is Achilles's mother and her son can be deemed her "nearest and dearest". She focuses on Achilles's doom: his inevitable natural death before he even reaches maturity. It is a lament about his unseasonality, both in terms of his untimely death - he is too young and perfect to go - and, I think, in terms of being a sort of stranger, since he is not immortal like her. She gave birth to a perfect man but, compared to a god, lacking the single most important quality: immortality. She bore a son unlike herself, whom she cannot help to become like her. This must be deeply painful, actually a ground for despair. Next in emotional intensity (to me) come the laments of Achilles aunts, the Nereids, who are also closely related to him. Their emotion is so intense and authentic that they are able to cover Achilles in immortal clothes, i.e. to prevent his body from decaying, I suppose. Finally, however, it is the Muses, who are not related to Achilles but are sort of professional lamentors and, most of all, the goddesses of memory (with an exact recollection of all events that ever occurred), who manage by the sheer beauty of their songs (i.e., through *artificial* – or should I say *artistic* – means,) to touch everyone's hearts and turn a private sorrow into a ritual, universal one that everyone can identify with (and for which each may substitute his own individual pain). Moreover, and even more importantly, the Muses move the gods themselves and obtain for Achilles the only immortality that is available to a human being: the imperishable glory of the kleos of heroes. With the help of these midwives, the natural, perishable hero gives birth to an imperishable song, in which his life will be reenacted again and again in all times to come. Basically, the gods allow the Muses to include Achilles in their repertoire and sing his song/his life/his very self forever and ever. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T18:32:05Z SecondChildTAG: I have looked the Muses up and found the following, which I hope is correct: Originally, there were three Muses: Aoide (song), Melete (thought) and Mneme (memory), who were the necessary prerequisite to any poetic or religious practice. Later on, the three became nine, i.e. the nine daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne (memory personified), who acted as mediators between the god of arts, Apollo, and the poet (the poet was deemed to be possessed by the god, he was in a trance.) (Plato called Sappho the “tenth Muse”, as a compliment.) The nine Muses and their attributes are: **Calliope** -epic poetry, writing tablet; (she is Homer's muse and orpheus's mother) **Clio** -history, scrolls; **Euterpe** -lyric poetry/music, aulos (a kind of flute); **Thalia** -comedy and pastoral poetry, comic mask; **Melpomene** –tragedy, tragic mask; **Terpsichore** –dance, lyre; **Erato** -love/lyric poetry, cithara (a kind of lyre); **Polyhymnia** -sacred poetry, veil; **Urania** –astronomy, globe and compass. Sarcophage of the Muses (160 BCE) Louvre Museum: ![Sarcophage des Muses (c. 160 avant notre ère) Musée du Louvre][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13655018671343675.jpg SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T10:17:57Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks! And we can enjoy matching up name and image in the panel. I see Urania second from right. Yes? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T12:08:39Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Hal, (glad to meet you again after failing to defeat the 404 barrier lately). If I write all my own guesses, it will be spoiling the fun, but I'm sure we can all agree on nr. 8! Best, d SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T12:19:11Z SecondChildTAG: In another thread, one of our participants thought Mnemosyne herself was Homer's Muse. Any thoughts? Thank you for this wonderful image from the Louvre. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T14:33:35Z SecondChildTAG: This is beautifully said Dominique. And thank you for the picture and description of the muses. - Jenna SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T14:42:14Z SecondChildTAG: Well, I confess I don't know for sure, since Homer doesn't name his particular Muse in the Iliad. He does refer to all nine Muses, however, at the end of Odyssey, where they take part in Achilles's funeral. Calliope has been generally considered to be Homer's initial inspiration because she is the Muse of epic poetry and is, as well, Appollo's wife (with whom she conceives Orpheus). Also, according to Hesiod, she is the oldest and foremost of the nine Muses. She is in fact often represented in artefacs surrounded by the Iliad and Odyssey. But these are all conjectures. Mnemosyne is a possibility. What speaks against her is that she is not one of the Muses, only their mother. So I'm not sure she qualifies. Perhaps someone else can help us here! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T15:05:28Z SecondChildTAG: This last comment was in answer to NH417 :-) (And thanks, Jennifer, for all your interesting posts, which love reading). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T15:10:25Z SecondChildTAG: I think Calliope is the correct answer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Erza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T16:23:30Z SecondChildTAG: A thread on [Sappho, the tenth Muse][1] [1]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/51640ca07ffa0a1200000091 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T18:03:11Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique, everything you wrote is right and the Muses' names in greek, explain which is their specialization. Clio is written Κλειώ (Kleio) so her name comes from Kleos. Calliope,is in greek Καλλιόπη(kalliope=kallos(beauty)+opos(voice)). I think only Homer knew who his Muse was and perhaps he didn't want to tell us his secret. I don't think that Mnemosyne is a possibility because she is just memory personalized.Her daughters could find beauty in memories and make art out of them. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T19:10:47Z SecondChildTAG: Ah, thank you, Euthymia. I should learn Greek... Does your own beautiful name also have a meaning? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T19:15:46Z SecondChildTAG: Euthymia, thank you for your clear explanation. Of course, only Homer knows for sure :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T23:56:21Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique, Thank you for mentioning Ruth Kluger's work. The biographical film, made by Renata Schmidtkunz and having Ruth Kluger on screen most of the time, was wonderful and moving. The thing that made the afternoon totally memorable was that Ruth Kluger and Renata Schmidtkunz were both there and talked and answered questions after the film. One of Kluger's colleagues discussed her academic work in the film stating that the strength of her was work was her tenacious close reading. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T03:01:51Z SecondChildTAG: Absolutely. I'm so glad you heard her. Apart from her autobiography, which is a huge lesson of honesty (sometimes uncomfortably radical honesty!), depth, humanity and indeed, "slow-reading" of history, I find her work as a literary critic illuminating. I don't know how much of it is translated into English (she still writes some of her essays in German). One important essay, actually the transcript of a lecture, is called in German "von hoher und niedriger Literatur", that is "About High and Low Literature", discussing the difference between truth and kitsch in literature. She is a hero. I think Klüger would appreciate the following quote of Wilfred Owen, the great poet who wrote about his experiences in WWI: *"I am not concerned with Poetry. My subject is War, and the pity of War. The Poetry is in the pity. Yet these elegies are to this generation in no sense conciliatory. They may be to the next. All a poet can do today is warn. That is why the true Poets must be truthful."* SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T04:00:05Z SecondChildTAG: A thought concerning the name *Euthymia* (Hi, Euthymia, and do correct me if I am wrong!): I suspect that *eu* means something positive like *good*, but it struck me (from Prof. Nagy's transliterations) that thymia might come from/be related to thumos (heart); so the name Euthymia might correspond to the idea of *good heartedness* or something similar. Best, H SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T04:14:33Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Hal. I was sure it was a beautiful name not just in the sound... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T04:18:14Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Dominique, Thanks for the quote by Wilfred Owen. My grandfather was a message runner in WW1, but he absolutely refused to talk about it to the end of his life. Best, h PS 404 errors, yes, I can't even access my own Active Threads page! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T04:32:42Z SecondChildTAG: I finally accessed your threads last night, by chance, and can follow you again... (Tough in the end, I enjoy the general threads most, since we can talk to everyone all the time here!) WWI is increasingly on my mind: I find all sort of parallels with the Iliad. I am about to write a comment in this respect further down in this thread, in answer to a post by Flojackgite about fate and free will. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T04:46:09Z SecondChildTAG: Hriggs, you are right about the spelling of my name in English. I also understood it from what prof. Nagy wrote. It is Euthumia, not Euthymia. My name in Greek is Ευθυμία (Eu+thumos) and it means good heart or good disposal. I was named after a Greek saint of the 4th century AC, saint Euthumios. He had a good heart. I can't tell about mine, but I try my best to fulfill my name. Dominique I think that poetry can be a balsam to the wounds of war. One of our poets, called Dionysios Solomos said "our people should accept as beautiful, what is true". Poetry can say the truth in a beautiful way and help to heal the wounds of violence. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T07:29:04Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, Euthymia (I will keep the "y" since in Germany, where I live, "y" is pronounced "u", i.e. like "ou" in French, my mother tongue). As I wrote in another thread, > Ruth Kluger, a holocaust survivor, literary critic and author, wrote in her autobigraphy that in the midst of chaos, tragedy, loss of identity, in fact loss of civilization, what helped was formal poetry, rhymed, obeying strict rules, like for example the sonnet, because it gave back a sense of order, orientation, form, and of course beauty, when life had lost all its markers. I imagine that heightened speech in times of exclusively oral performance must have likewise helped a people faced with the mysteries and violence of existence to invent or recognize the threads of a cosmic order. I am reminded too of Beaudelaire's verse from "L'invitation au voyage", a poem in which he invites his beloved on an imaginary journey to an imaginary perfect place, where they will find consolation from their present grief: *Là, tout n'est qu'ordre et beauté, / Luxe, calme et volupté.* ("There, all is order and beauty, luxury, calm and sensual delight." A very poor approximation: the french sentence has a perfect rythm and harmony of sound. And the word "volupté" is particularly difficult to translate: "voluptuousness" is so heavy and ugly; "delight" not sensual enough; "sensuality" not rich enough; "pleasure" much too weak and abstract...) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T08:58:36Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique, thank you for the information about the Muses. I've always thought Homer's muse was Calliope. It is fun to think, like Euthymia, that only Homer knows for sure. Perhaps Professor Nagy will address the Muses when we study Hesiod. I hope so. And thank you for introducing me to Ruth Kluger. I have just ordered her book. Nora SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T12:47:34Z SecondChildTAG: :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T13:06:40Z SecondChildTAG: For Prof. Nagy's position on this issue, see H24H 2.15 - 2.20, and especially note 5 (in paragraph 2.18). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T11:05:11Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for taking us to Professor Nagy's explanation of the goddesses of memory. He speaks of them in the plural which makes Euthymia's comment even more cogent ...... only Homer knows for sure. Note 5 does explain the connection of the Muses to their mother, Mnemosyne, she being the personification of their total recall. Do you think we can say she is the "source" of their total recall? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T13:51:01Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, I can imagine tha Mnemosyne is the source of their total recall. But the Muses's particular mission is not just to recall (otherwise only the mother would be needed). I think that they are the source of all knowledge as expressed through art. My impression is that they only function in tandem with an artist, i.e. their total recall remains dormant until awakened by an artist; conversely, the artist cannot create without "channeling" with them. It's almost like a fertilization, resulting in the birth of a work of art. Or one of them, since each artist seems to have a preferred Muse, according to the genre he practices. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T14:09:53Z SecondChildTAG: Of course you are right. The Muses see and hear everything ..... and in xxiv 62 we read ...... "so much did the singing Muse stir them." (Lattimore translation). Them refers to the Argives, the participants, and all we humans that followed. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T15:11:49Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique, if someone wants to serve the muses, he has to be brave. Have you thought of it? Memories can be a very hard burden to bear and it's not easy to make art out of them. Let me see if I can explain that. I 'll tell you a beautiful song. In this address you 'll see the beauty of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma6Xc2Gc99c You have to go there first in order to be able to face the truth in it, which you will find in this address: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVNcFJjtkNw Even in love songs memories can be very traumatic, but a servant of the muses can sing them in a beautiful way, so that other people's hearts may be healed. Gallileo who served Urania had to be brave too. When I started to write poems, a friend, who is a philologist told me: Not all the people who suffered in their lives wrote poems. But all poets suffered in their lives. Your fellow Pelopsian Euthumia. The fertilization is through pain , through suffering, and one has to be brave to bear it. Of course there are alI kinds of soil. The soil is not always fertile. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T19:56:06Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for this moving comment Euthymia. I think I understand you well. I have spent 15 years of my life researching and writing intensely about war, traumatisms and memory. (And most of my life reflecting on war, tyranny, violence and injustice, particularly in the 20th century, and now in our present times). These themes are at the centre of my life. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T20:09:59Z SecondChildTAG: And my idea of modern heroism is resistance to oppression and exploitation. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T05:57:16Z SecondChildTAG: I agree with you. I also believe that love is the most heroic resistance to the powers of violence and oppression. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T08:31:50Z SecondChildTAG: Oh yes. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T09:39:47Z SecondChildTAG: Euthymia, I cannot get the contrasts between the beauty and pain of these two videos out of my head. Nora SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T11:14:34Z FirstChildTAG: Find the Pea... Why does this question recall: The Hippopotamus, wallowing in a dark room, trying to pick up a Pea ? Love, Vjim ;-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 938644 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vjim FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T17:29:19Z FirstChildTAG: Reading some of your answers I arrived to this conclusion, which most likely one of you must've already pointed out, but I haven't had time to check all the comments :( I think that Thetis' lament is the deeepest mourning Achilles really gets. Thetis really feels his death as only the mother can. The other person that would mourn Achilles so sincerely, Patroklus, is already dead. As we listen the sequential laments we are getting away from actual sorrow into an artistic elaboration of Achilles life and death. I mean Thetis mourns him, her sisters share her pain but are also participant in a public performance so their sorrow is not necesarily sincere but it is socially required. Then we have the muses, who sing to Achilles's death thus elevating him -and his death- from the fall of a Hero into a matter of legend and admiration; thus they transform the lament into a form of art. Finally, we have the poet, the performer, who receives inspiration from the muses and, while performing, is also lamenting Achilles' fate; but he doesn't feel pain about his death: he just feels that his fate is admirable and desirable and shares that feeling with the audience. So, in conclusion, Thetis lament is the first step in the sequence that takes Achilles' story from the normal reality for people losing dear ones in war to the model of what is desirable in a society founded upon war. I can try to make myself clearer: Thetis mourns as mother, her grief is real as it is for any mother losing children in war; Achilles' legend is for the Greek, and even today, an artistic work as well as an educative and moralizing one that answers the question "what is expected from a perfect hero?" FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1319115 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Meraxes FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T17:43:42Z FirstChildTAG: Judging from the words used in Thetis lament (text G-Hour4), the words akh-nutai (deriving from the word akhos) and penthos, which as we have seen previously both mean sorrow and the expression of sorrow by waying of singing lament, as well as the start of her speech "Ah me, the pitiful one!", we understand that this passage is a lament. And although there is no sign of crying by Thetis at this point, the words used here are so emotional, that convey the actual pain, grief and sorrow to us. It is like a preview of what we are going to experience when Achilles is actually dead, and when all the family (Thetis and the Nereids), as well as the professional mourners (the Muses) are going to lament over his death. At the lament of Thetis, before Achille's death, the mother is the soloist mourner, but as the lament is a group performance, where except for the close to the kin, other people take part, we are expecting the other women (usually at least) to take their turn in the lamentation. But this will happen only after the actual death of the hero. Because up to that time, the sorrow and grief can be felt only by someone really close to him, like his mother is. Thetis knows, as an immortal, that Achilles is feeling deep sorrow over the death of Patroklos, so she knows now that he is going to choose to stay at Troy and fight, pursue Hector and kill him, which will lead to his own destiny, fate, which is to be cut down at his prime. Thetis knows that, she foresees the end coming and is lamenting alone over the death of Patroklos, and the forthcoming death of her own son. When his death will have actually happen, then the professional singers and the family will join in the lamentation. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1287151 FirstChildUserNameTAG: zouzouni FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T18:12:32Z FirstChildTAG: My interpretation is that in both we are being given some idea of the scope and scale of both lyric and epic poetry. In both extracts we see how being made the subject of such poetry can grant even a mortal a form of immortality. Granted, the person themselves does not get to live forever, but the story of their bravery & prowess will continually be retold. Both extracts included even the immortals as ones who would forever tell such tales. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893405 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erinath FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T19:57:01Z FirstChildTAG: The discussion is so thorough,on so many points that it is difficult to add to the analysis. As a prosaic matter, purely from the standpoint of moving the narrative forward, however, there might still be something to be said when comparing the various texts about how Thetis's lament is a preview. Thetis's lament (H4TextG) previews the lament in H4TextH and the lament in Pindar H4TextA by describing and reinforcing the characteristics that make Achilles an ideal hero. Her description of Achilles as faultless,strong and the best of heros along with her metaphor of Achilles as the choicest plant in the orchard paints a vivid visual picture. She then proceeds to make it clear that she has sent him off to war and "... will never be welcoming him back home as returning warrior". She portends that the sorrow Achilles is suffering is not his ultimate sorrow, because he is still holding aloof from battle. From the detail of Thetis' lament, the audience knows that Achilles will soon stop holding aloof from battle and that he will never be welcomed home as a returning warrior because he will die on the battle field. Therefore, in the most ordinary, mechanical way, Thetis's early lament provides a piece of the necessary underpinning of the later laments involving the Nereus and the Muses because her description of her son burnishes his reputation, making him a fallen warrior worthy of the attention and lamentation of the immortals and, therefore, the proper subject of an epic and lyric tradition that leads to his imperishable glory. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1536853 FirstChildUserNameTAG: denise11 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T21:45:18Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for your cogent comment, your close reading is helpful to me. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T13:17:40Z FirstChildTAG: Achilles was crying for the death of Patroklos his venerable mother hear him and she lament too. And the Nereids live at the bottom of the sea was with her.Tethis don’t know that Patroklos was dead, even when she don’t know what Achilles was suffering she was in lament. And the Nereids that was with her was in lament but I think that in de second part, because the first was Tethis.When Achilles die all the members of the family was in lament, the mother,the aunts and the rest of the people. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 967254 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sanchez04 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T23:12:45Z FirstChildTAG: I think that the first lament of Thetis in many ways resembles the first lament of Andromache. The first lament is sang by Thetis before Achilles death. He is still alive, as Hector was when Andromache sang her first lament about her husband. So these two women express their sorrow, for they both know that they can not pursuade their loved ones ( Thetis her son and Andromache her husband) to change the path that will ultimately lead them to their death. After that we have once more two other laments that now follow the death of the two heroes. Though two different women,an immortal goddess and a mortal woman, they express their grief in the same way. So in both cases this first lament works as a premonition. The first lament of Andromache is a premonition of Hector's death. The first lament of Thetis is a premonition of the facts that will cause the laments of the Muses and the Nereids,laments that follow now the death and the funeral of Achilles. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1335694 FirstChildUserNameTAG: voulakatr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T16:55:41Z FirstChildTAG: The lament of Thetis in Text G previews the lament for Achilles after his death in that here Thetis is already accompanied by both mortals and immortals weeping and lamenting. "|64 we mourned you, mortals and immortals alike." Her immortal sister Nereids are all lined up in ceremonial formation, not bunched together casually, and they are weeping, beating their breasts, and singing lament antiphonally with Thetis. This alternating song of lament is a preview of the Muses’ more professional performance at the funeral. In the mean time, at a distance from the Nereids, the mortal bondswomen are wailing aloud, beating their breasts and unable to stand. Achilles has shouted loudly with grief, torn his hair, covered his head and clothes with dust, and collapsed to the ground where he lies weeping piteously. Antilokhos is weeping and clutching Achilles’ hands. The two groups, immortals and mortals, together preview the concept: “You could not spot a single person who was not shedding tears”. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T11:03:03Z SecondChildTAG: Beautiful post, SunnyBonanza! So you have both the mortal and immortal sides of the hero orchestrated in the performance by the two groups! Thank you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1241825 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lenny_Muellner SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T20:17:51Z SecondChildTAG: You must be a painter, Sunny... Beautiful. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T20:29:51Z FirstChildTAG: How can I possibly add to what's already been posted...I'll just try to clarify my own thoughts. I keep thinking about a favorite Dickens story called *The Haunted Man*, in which a man is (temporarily) granted his wish to forget all the bad things that have happened to him. He discovers that without sorrow, he loses the ability to empathize with other people's pain or to learn from his own. Sorrow and trouble are essential to us. They're essential to Achilles, too. When Thetis laments Achilles' death *before* it actually happens, she says, > Ah me, the mother, so sad it is, of the very best. I gave birth to a faultless and strong son, the very best of heroes. She knows he must die if he is to earn the glory that will keep his memory green forever. His trouble and sorrow follow naturally from his being "the very best of heroes," but are what will win him *kleos*. The other laments, in the Odyssey and in Pindar, like the Iliad, ARE Achilles' glory, an eternal song about him, forever sung by the Muses and channeled by human singers. > The nine Muses also came, all of them, and sang antiphonally with a beautiful voice, singing their song of lament. A constant refrain in the Dickens story is, "Lord, keep my memory green!" The characters in the story want to keep their ability to remember sorrow so that they can be fully human; they also want to be remembered by others after they die. Achilles needs to suffer loss, fight, and die in order for *his* memory to to be unwilting, "forever green." Thetis knows this--her first lament is sort of a trailer for what's to come. Reading the *Iliad* has been such a stretch--I've never read anything quite like it. Most of the literature I'm familiar with is of a far more recent vintage! But as I read more, I find my mind makes more and more connections to the great writers of other cultures and other centuries. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1041087 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Turrean FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T22:12:25Z SecondChildTAG: It is interesting how often there is a reference to plants, sprouts, in the context of keeping memory alive and vital. I wonder if there are other cases from other times and cultures. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T22:47:11Z FirstChildTAG: Theitis’ laments over her son before he officially dies about all the hardships that he has to endure and the ending of his life in its prime, so her process of grieving for Achilles is a foreshadow of events to occur and the lamentations that will follow by the Nereids and the Muses at his funeral. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 774612 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SCKitty FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T23:53:05Z SecondChildTAG: I agree and as a Goddess and a mother to Achilles she is the only one that can see the hardship and sorrows of his son - which is the universal characteristic of all mothers since time immemorial. So her grieving for Achilles is a preview of events to occur giving lamentations of epic and lyric proportions. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 582126 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ernestocueva55 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T02:30:05Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis mourns with Achilles and Achilles. The scene refers to the equally poignant meeting of Odysseus and Antikleia in Adis.Why is just Achilles grieving? Thetis wants to know with her pained question << My child, what are you crying? >>. Patroclus has been dead. Achilles wishes not to have ever been the wedding of Thetis and Peleus, not to had never been born (XIX 86-7). He knows the end (I 88) and continues: << here and now let me die, since I could not save my firend from death ( XII 98-99) >>. As demigod as Achilles is ,he can not avoid the goddess dead.As a son of goddess Achilles is able to know some things that will happen in the future. He repudiates (XVIII 113) anger and consciously chooses death which coincides with the fate of (XVIII 116).He is fully reconciled with death, which did escape nor Hercules (the only one with whom Achilles may be compared). Achilles Is treading consciously to death, favoring short but glorious life, instead of long, but silverware. Thetis protects gods, but not heroes, saves gods but can not save her son. The poet does n, Thetis hears the lament of Achilles, rises from the sea with the accompaniment of other Nereids and hurries him. The arrival of a direct reference to the first appearance of close to Achilles in Book I (for example see I 73 to I 362-3). The tragic situation for her son is a consequence of that first arrival. Thetis asked Zeus to honor her son and the realization of that desire has had tragic consequences. This time Achilles does not ask anything from his mother (no promise, no help), takes matters into his own hands. Thetis is asking Hephaestus to build new weapons, but also knowing that this will lead to the death of Achilles. Once again (as in Book I) the presence of Thetis serves as reminder of death of Achilles! Thetis illuminates the mortality of Achilles, although she is immortal. Thetis does not prevent Achilles from battle.She has accepted his mortal nature and makes no effort to ensure immortality. She is the mother who stands cautions and understands her son. Understands very well the position and role of Achilles towards his companions and agrees with his decision to rejoin the fight (XIX 128-9).She wants his death to be glorious. Thetis in no case puts this dilemma in Achilles, nor intervenes to remove him at the time of danger. Instead, pinpoints human limits. In the Iliad, Thetis never even thinks to make her son immortal. This asking is the chance to become the hero Achilles of the Iliad. Displays the limits of human life from which not separate the heroic ideal. The lamentation of Thetis (Iliad XVIII) begins before the death of Achilles. They are the relatives who will continue the lament, that is lyric, at his funeral representing Achilles' perishable nature, his mortal aspect of life. The lament is then transferred to the Muses who will inspire the poets to sing the 'klea andron' to the next generations. ). When Patroklos dies, and Thetis sings/cries the words in text G, she knows that Achilles choice will be “kleos. We can compare the first lament of Andromache for Hector with Thetis' lament for Achilles. Both the heroes are still alive but it is absolutely clear that their dooms are imminent and formal lamentations await them.The lamentation of Achilles by the Muses is what propels the imperishable glory of him.,as sung in both epic and lyric. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300319 FirstChildUserNameTAG: marlef FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T09:06:30Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis lament is epic and provides almost the full story of Achilles, from his birth to his death. Thetis sorrow and Achilles' . [I nurtured him like a shoot in the choicest spot of the orchard, 58 only to send him off on curved ships to Troy, to fight Trojan men. 59 And I will never be welcoming him, [60] back home as returning warrior..] Muses lament in Odyssey it is “professional” and gives emphasis to the immortality gained by Achilles or granted by gods to a hero of Achilles ‘size at his “ funeral” day.. He is “risen” upon being dressed with “ ambrota” clothes while the song is sang by Muses antiphonally. In Pindar Isthmian 8.56a-62, the poet is concentrated to the glory of Achilles which is [apthite], it does not wilt, lives forever eternally ...[ Even when he [= Achilles] died, the songs did not leave him]. It is compressed but we do understand and feel strong feelings Orpheys FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1254862 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ORPHEYS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T09:34:17Z FirstChildTAG: Well, it's a very interesting question. In Text G, we see that Thetis erupts into words of longing, sadness and despair, even before Achilles died. Let us focus on the fact that he is not dead yet. However, the predisposition of his mother shows us everything. Thetis worries obviously about the fate of her son, who will not manage to taste the joys of life. We expect, of course, that after his death the lamentations and the wailing will be daunting. These laments will force everyone who attend this to cry, because of the power of grief. Immortal gods and mortal men will cry for Achilles because of the glory and the honor of the hero. This often happens even now in Greece. I am Greek and I personally know that people here are always overexpressed in all situations, either in gladness or in sorrow. I have lived in this atmosphere especially in deaths of young people here. This atmosphere is impossible to be described. Generally this is a part of the character and the lifestyle of the Greek people. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T13:11:08Z SecondChildTAG: Ioucho87: Over the last year I have attended several funerals. When people are old, there is usually calmness and acceptance because things have run their natural course. ("It's the law of life", we say in Spain). However, in the case of a 21 year old's death the mood was oppressively heavy and questioning. We all felt for the family and her friends who were struggling to understand why such an untimely event happened. And each person who had something to do with her in the last 24 hours feeling guilty. Because any little thing they had done differently could have avoided her being in the wrong place at that time. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1375995 SecondChildUserNameTAG: antoniosanz SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T17:32:59Z FirstChildTAG: In all of this I am most struck by the fact that Achilles' funeral isn't in the Illiad. So this lamentation is a preview of something you aren't going to see directly. It is different from Andromache's first lament in that. Both foreshadow the coming deaths but Thetis' preview is all we see of the lamentation for Achilles. Is this because Achilles' death is too big. The grief too indescribable? So it's not just a preview but a mini version easier to process? Lets us digest Achilles' death over time. I'm reminded of how in just getting around to watching the last episode of Downton Abbey ( having had the key event given away already) I was immensely relieved that the show ends without showing the grief over that event. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1498460 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hardner FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T14:08:20Z FirstChildTAG: My opinion is that Thetis has a double role; she is a goddess and a mother. As goddess is superior of Nereids (as they led her) and of Muses. As mother, is unique as she is the only person in the world that suffers so much for her son death. So it's very logical her lament will include every aspect of verbal expression of pain for Achilles' death. Children death's pain is always the biggest and the worse thing for the parents! The sense of loss can create masterpieces of literary laments and funeral songs. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 251067 FirstChildUserNameTAG: solasathak FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T17:44:36Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis' lament uses the metaphor of a plant, something organic,full of life; and places him in the 'choicest spot in the orchard, which brings up images of growing strong, fertile plants. The metaphor continues when he is 'cut down' and perishes. The Muses and Nereids keep his kleos alive through their lamentations and transform it into an eternal song of glory or kleos aphthiton. We see evidence of its eternal nature through Pindar's hero Nickokles as gnh320 pointed out earlier in this discussion. Even though Achilles lives on through the art form of song- something inorganic in itself, however, it is through the human that it continues to be handed down through the ages. So, in a way it seems like two systems working together - the organic and inorganic that result in the kleos aphthiton, the genesis of which is Achilles' birth mother, where he began as a seed. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1397361 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MarciaR FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T21:12:54Z FirstChildTAG: The lament of Thetis is a lament of a mother who has sorrow because she is going to lose the person she loves most, her son. As a mother she feels the grief that her son has in his heart and as a goddess she knows what is going to happen that is why she laments Achilles before his death. This lament previews the laments that both the Nereids and the Muses will sing at the funeral of Achilles. The Nereids lament Achilles because they are his aunts so they come to stand by their sister Thetis and to cry for him. They are his family. The Muses also come to lament the hero. Their song is essential. They are the goddesses of epic and lyric poetry, music, history and ancient drama. Their song is beautiful and it is going to give Achilles the imperishable glory [kleos aphthiton] that he chooses with his death. Although Achilles is going to die his name is going to stay alive through the song of the Muses. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1458072 FirstChildUserNameTAG: andy_far FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T21:31:24Z FirstChildTAG: The duality of the two lamenting groups, family (Thetis and Nereids) and professional (Muses), brings to mind the weft and warp of the woven fabric of the Narrative. I suspect it is not by chance that Andromeda was weaving a double-sided, purple cloth on her loom when she heard mourning outside. So, to carry the idea a bit further, the horizontal laments of Thesis (and Andromeda) are woven into the fabric of the Narrative and carried along by the laments of the Muses. I fear it would be too much of a digression to discuss the many dualities arising from the text studies to this point, but I’ll list them without comment: mortals/immortals, bride/groom, goddess/god, hero/heroine, lament/love, anger/grief, timely/untimely, wilting/unwilting, life/death, the two Ajaxes?, Achilles/Patroklos, nostos/kleos (two fated ways), and finally, wilting/unwilting. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T21:46:25Z FirstChildTAG: *"How does the lament of Thetis in Text G preview the laments that both the Muses and the Nereids (led by Thetis) will sing at the funeral of Achilles?"* I would suggest that the flip flopping phrase of "Ah me, the pitiful one! Ah me, the mother," foreshadows the back and forth singing of the Muses and Nereids in the latter readings. "sad" and "best" juxtaposed offer that same sense of going back and forth. Thetis' foreboding and lament at this point foreshadow her actual emotion when the hero's transformation actually occurs. Finally, I see Thetis' lament prompted by the death of Patroculus previewing Achilles unwilting glory. Thetis speaks of this more clearly in other passages, but in "G" she mentions his constant sorry. In "A" the lament continues with the Muses, his "famous lament". The two other passages so mention the lamenting of the Muses, which insures that his "famous lament" will be unwilting. Bill FirstChildUserIdTAG: 941520 FirstChildUserNameTAG: WilliamMoulton2 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T23:37:17Z FirstChildTAG: So how does the lament of Thetis in Text G (Iliad XVIII 54-64), which is the text that we have just analyzed, preview the laments that both the Muses and the Nereids (led by Thetis) will sing at the funeral of Achilles? Thetis, as a godness that she is, is able to foresee Achilles sorrows. The lament of Thetis is based on Achilles future that the mother is able to foresee. She knows that Achilles - a men of constant sorrow - will not return home. She knows that besides her son be "the very best" he will die, although he will perpetuate himself in the Iliad since he choose kleos over life. Achilles will die (perish/phthinein) in his best years, like a flower in its prime. However, the medium will never die, which means that Achilles is like an artificial flower that will flourish forever, never perish, even more that "this medium is pictured as a choral lyric song eternally sung by the Muses as they lament Achilles after he is cut down". This same song of lament will be transformed in a song of glory by the Muses. In sum, the song about Achilles will have a poetic glory and will never perish. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 987958 FirstChildUserNameTAG: marcialg123 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T01:07:34Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis's lament for Achilles happens before his death, but it presages the sadness she will feel once it happens. This is fated. He will be cut down in the prime of his life. The Muses and Nereid's song happens at his funeral, but it presages the eternal glory that will live on in words and music about Achilles. This was also fated. The tales about him will be unwilting, unlike what happened in his life of constant sorrow. Thetis's song is a preview in that it carries the themes of fate, sorrow, and eternal glory that is the life of the hero Achilles. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1374193 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ChuckRamone FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T01:53:52Z FirstChildTAG: The death of a hero is a matter for the gods meet in a lament, Nereids and muses. For Tethys could be said that there is no greater pain than that of an immortal mother who loses her son and his deadly serious regret of unimaginable proportions to humans as this mother will have to live without her son forever. It is an eternal regret Pindar also draw him again for his time so every time the Iliad or the Odyssey are read this cry still echoes in eternity. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1398395 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jr_rr_82 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T02:02:25Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis starts her lament before Achilles actually dies. She calls her closest relatives, her sisters, to share her pain and start lamenting themselves. They are the relatives who will continue the lament, that is lyric, at his funeral representing Achilles' perishable nature, his mortal aspect of life. The lament is then transferred to the Muses who will inspire the poets to sing the 'klea andron' to the next generations. Their song is transformed into epic, that will transcend the human limits and move into the sphere of art and therefore into eternity. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1308581 FirstChildUserNameTAG: catherine8 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T17:59:45Z SecondChildTAG: I really like how you summed this up, Catherine. Genghis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T06:38:08Z SecondChildTAG: *But I thought that the transformation is from epic to lyric and not vice - versa*. The lament of Thetis is part of the iliad and so an epic lament whereas those of the Neriads and the muses becomes lyrical lament by virtue of being performed outside the epic tradition and into the songs of Sappho. Is this not so? regards Aditya. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1019589 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nitrous SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T20:24:26Z SecondChildTAG: sorry, I believe the texts are from Pindar and Odyssey and not Sappho. On another issue could someone enlighten me whether the Iliad is considered to be a complete work in itself or were there parts lost which are hinted in the plot summaries of the epic cycle? regards Aditya. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1019589 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nitrous SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T20:33:28Z SecondChildTAG: The Iliad with the Odyssey are the oldest epics, not only of Greek but also of European literature. They are delivered to us as complete works. They are dated to the second half of the 8th century BC. The composition of the Iliad precedes the composition of the Odyssey. The Homeric Iliad is 3,500 verses around longer than the Odyssey, namely it has 15,693 verses, and is divided, like that, in 24 rhapsodies, each one named after a letter of the Greek alphabet. The rhapsodies in Iliad are represented by a capital letter. The opposite happenes with the rhapsodies in the Odyssey. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1151803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: konstantinakiari SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T07:32:18Z FirstChildTAG: It's not a secret that the specific feature of the Greek pantheon is the anthropopathy of its inhabitants. Now is not the time to say why it happened, but pay attention to the following fact: Thetis, although she is an immortal goddess, is described as a more human than any of the gods. No one else shows so vividly their suffering on the death of mortal humans, the first miracle of hers to be shown is to protect the body of Patroclus from the hordes of flies and its decomposition. Goddess Thetis outstands by her **humanity**. Therefore, her weeping has absolutely the same nature as well as the mourning Andromache. As for the causes of her suffering (and the crying) I fully agree with ***katpap***. The thing is that the essence of the lament is only in the death of her son, she does not mention his impending Kleos. Thetis compares the future death of her son with the death of a seedling, which is nothing more than the death of seedling grew up "among obese garden. She is emotionally crashed by her absolutely humanlike loneliness. As for the laments at the funeral of Achilles, they are aimed at ascertaining of "verifying” Kleos, what was exactly mentioned by ***PriscillaN***. " The “after death” lament is by its nature a ritual of acceptance of the occurred events. The Greek language is synthetic by its structure. Languages of this kind (like the Russian, which is my native language) allow to perform a detailed and very colorful in delicate gradations description of the emotional state of the characters, which is the case for all events taking place in the Iliad. Therefore we can say that the expression of feelings in Thetis’s lament, driven by the author, for its expressiveness and depth is very similar to the description of feelings of other actors, such as Andromache's monologue about the impending death of Hector, Achilles mourning for the deaths of Patroclus, Priam’s crying for the deaths of Hector, etc. But the laments of the Muses are a totally different kind of music - they are not meant to express emotions, but to praise the Hero. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 210982 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GrinevichEgor FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T20:48:39Z SecondChildTAG: Egor, your observations of Thetis are very helpful. Please say more about Greek and Russian being synthetic. How do they allow for gradations... by combining different words? Genghis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T02:12:16Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Egor, so interesting. I am with Genghis here, wishing for more details, if it is possible to explain without us knowing Russian. One question: has the gradation to do with the need, after expressing the deep personal grief, to give a meaning to the beloved's death? Therefore singing the glory of it (like the motto: *"fell for the fatherland"*, which gives an aura of glory to the sometimes meaningless death of a soldier on the battlefileds? The idea that their child died doing his duty, defending his countrymen, has given consolation to many parents. Isn't this part of our constant need for finding or giving a meaning to our life (and death)? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T05:40:44Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks, a wonderful distinction. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T08:28:56Z FirstChildTAG: As for the nature of Thetis’s lament for her yet alive son, I completely agree with ***GrinevichEgor***. I find pretty justified the observation that Thetis is represented as the most humanlike, human-carrying and the less goddess. Married mortal man, being mother of a mortal son throughout the Iliad she tries to accept the choice of her son. This is the death of Patroclus that strikes her to very heart foreshadowing the soon death of Achilis as soon as gets into the revengeful deathful fight. Her cry or lament is all pure mortal woman’s sorrow mourning for “a faultless and strong son”, her pride “the very best of heroes”. Her grief is even intensified by the fact that she as being a goddess managed to raise him but not to protect him: “I nurtured him like a shoot in the choicest spot of the orchard, |58 only to send him off on curved ships to Troy, to fight Trojan men. |59 And I will never be welcoming him |60 back home as returning warrior”. The idea of giving a birth to the best of heroes only **to perish** in Troy like a beautiful seeding makes Thetis woebegone in her solitude. The Maidens of Helicon (Muses) are professional singers of lament – in order not to express emotions only, but **to praise** the Hero. As the matter of fact they perform their part of a **“destiny contract”**: Achillis chooses imperishable or unwilting Kleos for his deeds in exchange for dying young himself, Muses whose song is “a song of lamentation [thrēnos] that is famed far and wide” so as to say the glory itself, are following their part of the divine contract, making the mortal an the immortal feel grief and remember. As for Nereids (the daughters of the Old One of the sea [= Nereus], led by Thetis), they are representing the transition from deep passionate grief of Thetis in her lamenting to the glorifying songs of Muses by “weeping piteously, and they [= the Nereids] clothed you [= the corpse of Achilles] in immortalizing [ambrota] clothes”. They are aunts of Achilis, led by his mother, though being in grief sing not about perished body but about the imperishable glory of a Hero. To sum up I’d say that Thetis cries about the Achillis’s **death** as about “the wilting of a beautiful plant” whilst Muses are glorifying his heroic **life.** FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1493017 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DariaSg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T07:19:39Z SecondChildTAG: Excellent post, thanks. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T07:59:22Z SecondChildTAG: yes, I agree with Dominique. Excellent. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T12:00:40Z SecondChildTAG: ***Dominique, Jennifercole,*** thank you for such a high opinion. I'm sincerely glad if I managed to enspire the further development of the issue analysis. Thank you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1493017 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DariaSg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T12:40:40Z SecondChildTAG: It's very helpful SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1498151 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Parfenov_A SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T14:26:17Z FirstChildTAG: I agree with those who compare the first lament of Andromache for Hector with Thetis' lament for Achilles. Both the heroes are still alive at this point but it is clear that their dooms are imminent and more elaborate and formal lamentations await them. Also recall the parallels between Hector and Achilles as related by Sapphos in comparing the bridegroom Hector to Achilles. Andromache was compared to a goddess and we recall that Achilles' mother was a goddess. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1229641 FirstChildUserNameTAG: cifsal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T13:56:02Z FirstChildTAG: The thoughts and analysis already offered by others in response to this discussion question are fascinating to read and think about. They are so comprehensive that it is hard to add anything new. Professor Muellner's image of zooming out nicely captures the sequence of lamentations from the heartfelt goos of the mother and aunts to the ritual threnos of the Muses. My thoughts about *The Iliad* are colored by dislike for the heroes, and I find it difficult to focus on Professor Nagy's question. For nine years the Danaans have been pillaging the cities around Troy, raping, looting, killing, enslaving. All the art of The Iliad can not hide the reality that these men are brutal pirates killing and dying for booty. The laments of Andromache and Briseis make plain the human consequences of Achilles' efficiency as a killing machine -- fathers killed, brothers slain, cities sacked, women taken. Achilles' ferocity and mindless berzerker anger are made vivid and intense in XX's and XXI's lovingly detailed descriptions of the gore of battle. In contrast, the laments of Thetis, the Nereids, and the Muses ask us to think of Achilles as a son, a beautiful young man cut down in his prime, and as a hero on whom the Muses bestow imperishable glory. Which picture of Achilles should dominate? The allusions to Achilles in the poems of Sappho and Pindar remind us that he did in fact acquire imperishable glory through the epic medium, glory that migrated to the lyric medium. The singers of the song that is *The Iliad* kept their promise; over centuries they crafted and spread widely a story that bestowed imperishable glory on Achilles, a story that, presumably, inspired young men like Nikokles and Kleandros to strive for glory in battle or in games. What does it mean to have such a bloody warrior epic be a touchstone of Western Civilization? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 993875 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CHH-1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T16:13:03Z FirstChildTAG: Τhetis knows that her son has chosen kleos than nostos and that choice leads him to death.Thetis and the Nereids perform a lament for the young hero who has chosen kleos through death, but this kleos is the song of the Muses , the goddesses of total recall , who are singing in memoriam of the hero for ever. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1270646 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NellyFili FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T18:13:24Z IndexTAG: 2 TitleTAG: [From Prof. Muellner] Discussing Assessments In an effort to promote learning and interaction around the assessments, we are creating a new thread for each question set and close reading exercise. We will open the discussion thread for a given Hour's assessments when the next Hour has been posted. So since Hour 4 was just released yesterday, we have posted six discussion threads, one for each of the assessments in Hours 1-3. Within those threads you can discuss answers openly, so participants who haven't yet done the assessments shouldn't read those threads. Likewise, since new participants are free to enroll from now through late June, please do not "give away" answers on other threads. The purpose of these threads is to generate further intellectual community among our members and to promote discussion of content. If you have technical issues with a question set or close reading exercise set, please post those concerns in the general Discussion. Leonard Muellner, Chair of the Board of Readers Claudia Filos, Editor of Content and Social Media UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T01:36:10Z VoteTAG:18 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 9 FirstChildTAG: Thank you for this initiative! I think discussion is very important and needed at this stage. It will however be a little difficult as we cannot openly discuss the answers. Is it not technically possible to also organise an open discussion for those who have already submitted their answers? This way we can have a more precise discussion with open reference to the answers. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1369191 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SophiaCoro FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T02:09:26Z SecondChildTAG: Hi SophiaCoro, I have just edited my message for clarity. You can discuss the answers openly on these particular threads. Does that help? Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T03:26:26Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Claudia, One technical idea: Because these exercise-discussion-threads will increase in number and are always at the top, it would be nice if they could be segregated into a separate heading (instead of *Show All Discussion*). I realize that this may not be possible, but it would be nice to keep the emphasis on more thematic threads. Thanks for all the wonderful work you all are doing! Best, Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T03:42:21Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Hal, I was thinking the same thing. I'm looking into it. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T03:53:42Z SecondChildTAG: I really support this last idea. And by the way, I hope the whole energy of the course is not going to be lost in endless discussions (and auto justifications?) about the answers to exercises. Let's remain with Homer and the heroes. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T04:21:50Z SecondChildTAG: The answers to the exercises ARE about Homer and the heroes. Discussions can provide insights. Whether or not you decide to participate in them is, of course, your choice. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 906924 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Michaelon SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T04:48:25Z SecondChildTAG: This is an excellent addition to the course. I was just thinking that in some ways this course mirrors an epic itself: it develops as it is performed. It is an amazing experience. Many thanks to its awesome creators and staff -- patient and thoughtful as they are. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237369 SecondChildUserNameTAG: OrcasVati SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T05:06:39Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Claudia, yes it does...I guess it all goes back to the honor code (participants who haven't yet done the assessments shouldn't read those thread). I am happy with that! I did not want to participate in the discussion in a way that would compromise my honor code....so I guess "don't give away" the answers is a good way to go that would also allow a full and inspiring discussion. Thanks again, I am really enjoying the course and being part of the Harvard team system of analysis. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1369191 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SophiaCoro SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T11:08:41Z SecondChildTAG: On another but related theme: what will happen to the records of these discussions after the course? I can only speak for myself, but I think that this course will have a long-lasting impact on many of us and that many will want to digest and re-digest. Perhaps a premature request, but I would advocate that these records be kept accessible somewhere/somehow. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scherings SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T11:26:20Z SecondChildTAG: what is a thread? really. I know very little about computers and want to know. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T11:51:11Z SecondChildTAG: don't worry elizabethmorin, here is an explanation of what a tread is from Wikepedia: *"A thread (sometimes called a topic) is a collection of posts, usually displayed from oldest to latest [...] A thread can contain any number of posts [...] from members"* For example let's look at this discussion. Claudia Filos posted the message '[From Prof. Muellner] Discussing Assessments'. So, we can post comments under that message. Basically, you and I are participating in this tread. Hope I helped! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1387715 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexandra_M SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T12:17:57Z SecondChildTAG: Scherings - I did an online course some time ago where the records were kept for two years and then deleted. I think that's probably about normal. Of course, it's not all that difficult to keep your own copies of threads that you find particularly interesting. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T12:36:20Z SecondChildTAG: Aberwegian - sort of reassuring to know that they will be kept for 1 or 2 years. I only began worrying after I discovered that the most interesting threads were to be found ***outside my own cohort*** (how many cohorts are there?) and I was afraid that I might miss out on exactly the most interesting ones, for lack of time. I find finding interesting threads a bit time-consuming since, for instance, if I want to see the contributions ***you*** have made to your own cohort, I can access them only via your personal page -- and right now, I can't access it. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't .. oddly enough. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scherings SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T14:21:53Z SecondChildTAG: There are also those of us who might not care to have these discussions, especially our own faulty contributions, preserved for whatever counts as eternity on the internet! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T01:46:44Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you very much for organzing the discussion of each hour in its own thread!! Athina FirstChildUserIdTAG: 932815 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Athens71 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T03:05:26Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you! I am very excited about the opportunity you are giving us! And I have to say that your constant care for us is touching and heartwarming. Hats off to all the brilliant staff! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1387715 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Alexandra_M FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T10:45:17Z SecondChildTAG: i am so enjoying something like this class. I am such a slow reader that I laugh every time some one talks about fast and slow reading.I am amazed that people can read fast. I am loving being out of my comfort zone. thanks and pity to the poor soul who gets to read my essays. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T21:26:36Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Alexandra, thanks for the encouragement posted farther into the thread. I have a granddaughter named Alexandria. I enjoy reading your posts. Hope you have a great weekend. Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T06:35:26Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Dr.Muellner and Claudia Filos, It is good to see how concerned you and the other staff members are with all of us. I read some of the discussions being posted and they are way beyond my current data base. I'm able to handle what is discussed in the videos and that is sufficient for me at this point. I find the questions good for those of us who came into the course with little or no background in Ancient Greek literature, we have not read the books so many of the classmates have and there can be no understanding by us without this extensive reading background. When this class first started I tried to hang in with those of you who are well-versed in Ancient Greek literature, critical thinking, and logic - I soon learned if I was to complete the course I would be satisfied with the level the videos were teaching and to leave the rest to those able to interact with those of like minds, complete with reading backgrounds. The discussion forums are a great place for the advanced level of discussions. I remember reading over Dr. Nagy's essay welcoming us to the course and stating it would be geared to those with little or no background in Ancient Greek Heroes. Heck, I had never heard of dactylic hexameter and now I can almost understand it. It is great here and whenever I want to jump into the deep end with a 100 pound backpack on, I know just where to go. There are times though when I do wish I could swim with all the grown-ups. Thanks to everyone who has helped make my journey better. Bobby FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T05:08:20Z SecondChildTAG: :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T05:31:09Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Bobby, You **can** swim with all of us, and you are - you're reading the threads, at least, and there's nothing whatever to stop you typing in your reactions! Go for it. I may know some ancient Greek, but a huge chunk of what this course offers is absolutely new to me, and I am rapidly learning that my summer reading (after the course is over) is going to make my 100lb backpack look like a school lunch box. If you see someone reading Nietzsche by the poolside, that'll probably be me... So many new ideas, so many strands of thought to follow up! One wonderful thing about this course is that, like a city Marathon, there's something for absolutely everybody, from those who are out to collect a victor's wreath and tripod right down to those who want to go 5km with their dog on a leash. Frankly, I've never seen anything even remotely like it in my life, and I'm learning just as much from those who are perhaps reading the Iliad for the first time in their lives as from those who, some far beyond my knowledge, clearly have a more recent and detailed experience of the classics than I do. It's not about how much you know when you come to the course, but about how much you gain from it. So post away - we'll all respect you for it, and if you're like me, there's a great benefit in posting, especially when you post a question - it clears your mind, and you will either get the answer you were hoping for, or, even better, have the road pointed out to you! It makes the 100 lb backpack feel much lighter too! Brian SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T06:50:42Z SecondChildTAG: Well said, Bobby and Brian. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T07:08:32Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks so much, Brian and D. I am learning much from those who post here. I have had one classmate(dcaillat) take time and explain dactylic hexameter and I am beginning to understand and use it. This is not an easy thing to explain, and I am grateful for dcaillat explaining this. I have been unable at times to follow some of the posts and I wanted to let anyone in the class who feels lost sometimes, to know they aren't alone. The one thing that has happened taking the course, is my writing creativity, like the phoenix, has been reborn. I thought this was lost to me. By the time Hr10 comes around I may be able to ask questions. I am holding my own somewhat and I guess I am fearful about making any major changes. Again, thank you for taking your time and encouraging me. Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T09:54:24Z SecondChildTAG: Bobby, It sounds as if you are apologizing for the state of your existence. You should not. Everyone starts wherever they are. There is nothing to do about that. The thing that matters is the starting and that you have done. The thoughts in your posts have added to the conversation consistently. What more could you ask? Don't put yourself down. That doesn't add anything. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T15:21:19Z SecondChildTAG: Bobby, what use are abstract rethoric and academic knowledge to you who are able to immediately translate your impressions of this course and of your life into such heartfelt, authentic poems as I was priviledged to read these past days? As I told you, I am humbled by your example. Keep writing and stay with us, and with the Greek heroes. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T16:00:14Z SecondChildTAG: Bobby, try to keep in mind that it's all about standpoints we face even today:courage, the loss of friendship,respect for others, responding to injustice, coping with the unexpected, fear of death etc. The scenario is within our dna so relax and enjoy the elaborate ways one chooses to speak about it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1359117 SecondChildUserNameTAG: fernir SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T18:09:41Z SecondChildTAG: Bobby, before this course started I though to myself “how hard can it be? I know most of that stuff”. Perhaps, my fellow traveler, you can imagine how hard my insolence punched me in the face, from the beginning of Hour 0. Please believe me, at times it's so hard for me to un-learn, to fight with my preconceptions, to question my assumptions that I wish I had no idea about any of this. Usually, I'm one Hour behind because I need to let the new information and thoughts sink in and then revisit everything over and over and over. We might have different starting points but I am just as awed and grateful as you are. And please, keep writing! Alexandra SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1387715 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexandra_M SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T19:56:52Z SecondChildTAG: To all the classmates who took time to write to me, I offer my gratitude for all you have done for me. I appreciate all that has been posted here. I offer my deepest apology in implying that I am not happy with my life. This was not what I intended to write. To say that there haven't been times when I felt stupid when I couldn't follow some of the postings would be not true and yet, as I began to use what tools I do have and started approaching the work in a different manner, things changed for me. As I began to have gratitude for and use what I do have, most of the stress left and now I can read the same level of posts and rejoice for all of you who can express yourselves in more elaborate ways. I still don't understand most of what you write - that doesn't matter, I work with what I have. One thing that has happened in taking this course, is a gift I felt was long gone, has raised up its head once again and that is the ability to express my feelings in beautiful ways, as expressed to me by classmates. It has humbled me as I think I may be able to share feelings now, I thought I would never express as I wanted. Thanks to all of you and may the remainder of your journey be on the same road as mine. Best wishes, Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T05:41:20Z SecondChildTAG: Look what great comments by Brian, Priscilla, Fernir and Alexandra your post has sparked off, Bobby. Bravo to you and everyone for these heart-warming and wise thoughts. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T05:56:54Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Bobby and well said: > One thing that has happened in taking this course, is a gift I felt was long gone, has raised up its head once again and that is the ability to express my feelings in beautiful ways, as expressed to me by classmates. It has humbled me as I think I may be able to share feelings now, I thought I would never express as I wanted. You have nicely captured how I feel also. Yes, let's walk the same road, Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T16:54:25Z FirstChildTAG: To my classmates: trying to do this on my little IPhone and it is very difficult. Thank you all who took the time and effort to reach out. I'll do a better job when I get back to computer. Thanks so much. Be well Bobby FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T04:13:23Z FirstChildTAG: This is great! Now that I am trying to catch up on things. I am worried that as the discussions grow each week, I am not able to keep up. As tax season comes and slowly goes away and my daily bulk of paperwork overwhelms me as they pile up magnificently at my desk; I slowly but surely go thru Hour 2; worried sick that I am slowly being left behind in discussion/s. Thank you kindly for creating threads per Hour. I feel better now. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1382449 FirstChildUserNameTAG: laquino FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T04:46:32Z SecondChildTAG: Hi laquino, tax time is a killer, especially if you are doing them for others. I had difficulty the first hrs and then I did something different. I am retired so I don't have a J O B. What I found that works much better for me, is to go to the 24h book and print the work for a particular hour, spend sufficient time to slow read if several times, and then read it one more time just before watching the videos, following the video as you scan read the section being shown in the video. I If you have time to watch them all at the same setting, scan reading the same section in the text along at the same time, you will find the questions and reading questions seem not as frightening as before. Take the tests at the same time. This has worked miracles for me. Trying to keep up with everything being posted kept me confused much of the time and now, as I concentrate on Dr. Nagy's text and the videos, it's not as overwhelming as it was. This course is being conducted in ways that are conducive to learning and the staff wants it to be a joyous journey. If you have questions, there are many helpful people on the staff and in the class who can help you - this I know from experience. Have a happy journey, laquino Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T05:28:16Z SecondChildTAG: I absolutely agree with Bobby, both on the strategy of learning and on not letting the discussions take our focus away from the essential part of the course: the Greek texts and the lectures (H24H and videos). The discussions are great to read and/or participate in *if one has the time*. I preferred it when we were proposing our own discussion threads, which was very creative and in harmony with the spirit of the course. Now, it looks like everyone is going to concentrate on discussing the tests. It is what the great majority wanted, so it's OK and I will adapt. Take care and definitely *don't* worry, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T05:52:50Z SecondChildTAG: I don't think that it is clear that most of the discussion will be about the assessments. Posts on that subject have existed from the first but have been embedded in the other threads. This new format will keep them separate and will allow actual discussion of the questions and answers instead of vague comments or complaints. The responses to the discussion questions posed by Prof. Nagy have been very enthusiastic and I've found them very interesting. I don't expect that to stop. I think there will be plenty of room for creative discussion everywhere. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T06:26:08Z SecondChildTAG: You are my HERO. oops HEROINE Thank you D., for all the help you've shown me. Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T06:40:23Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Priscilla. I'm sure you are right and I have been over-pessimistic (which I seldom am!) It's just that since yesterday, there hasn't really been any new threads and participation in existing ones has noticeably slowed down. Instead, we have a series of "Discussion of Hour so and so" firmly pinned at the top of the discussions list. I wish they were grouped in a separate category. I will test the field and post a new discussion. Curious to know if anybody will react :-) (And if no one does, perhaps it will just mean that my thoughts were not that interesting!) Once again, the board has answered the strong wish of a huge majority of us, it seems, so it was certainly the right move. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T06:45:15Z SecondChildTAG: Couldn't sleep got up. 2;00am MST Arizona doesn't change time. D., let me know where your thread is and I join you. I'm having trouble with all the different persons in Sappho. There are Navaho and Apache tribes here in Arizona. I called a Navaho friend and asked him about the goddess mentioned in the texts. He said he remembered his mother talking about the myth when he was young. He said his daughter was not iniated. This maybe so sacred it is not discussed with outsiders. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T09:17:08Z SecondChildTAG: I guess you only get there by clicking my name until you pass the 404 error... It's called "From the Ancient to the Modern Hero". I have started documenting/translating there information gathered from a wonderful French exhibition on heroes (Paris 2007-2008). I will keep translating over the next days, trying to find the thread between our Ancient Greek Heroes and present day heroes. Perhaps this is of interest only to myself! Your Indian friends sound fascinating. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T09:34:18Z SecondChildTAG: On the 3hr question set, elizabetmorrin asks some questions I can't answer. I'll look the thread up after I try to get some sleep. Don't know I can make usable input I'll try. I should have the rough draft of the poem I last mentioned ready tomorrow. I SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T09:56:19Z FirstChildTAG: Many thanks to Prof. Muellner and Claudia Filos for making this latest addition to help us get the most from this wonderful course. The amount of effort which has been put into the course by everyone involved, from Prof Nagy onward, and all the free access to the library of books at the CHS, to enable us to follow up references, demonstrates truly inspiring generosity. After the first 6 Hours, the remainder of the course will be run two Hours a week, won't it? After this, might it be good idea to carry on allowing a week after each question set has been posted, before opening up free discussion on it? This is suggested on the basis of my own inclination, that it would feel more comfortable to have been able to answer the questions without knowing that a discussion was already underway. Four days isn't a long time to get this done, especially for participants who may only have part of their week available to use for the course. Does anyone else feel this way? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1381492 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nickg5c FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T15:30:46Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Nick, I think there is time constraints - I believe the temporary switch to 1 hour a week was done only to help us develope slow reading skills and work out study patterns. I believe the material is setup along with questions, that if one concentrates on the texts from the 24hr book and the videos, it is possible to do 2 hr/week. Let me explain. When the 3rd assignment was posted, I just printed material from 24Hr text. Read it couple times and them nothing. I waited til 4hr was posted and did both hours the next day at one time. The further I get int the course the more I remember. Dr. Nagy said it gets easier as we go along. I hope this helps - it has helped me. Best wishes Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T20:10:46Z FirstChildTAG: Thank all of you for the perspective each one of you provide on these captivating issues. I do not see or hear things the same after participating in this great endeavor. Wish there was time to engage more but have to draw the line and be happy with what is. If I were going for an advanced degree this material would be my only choice. Best to all Bob FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 FirstChildUserNameTAG: photon101a FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T23:40:51Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Bob, thank you for your perspective also. If Homer, Socrates, and Plato, (can't forget Sappho) were here and watching all the interactions, perspectives, and arguments, they would be beaming! They would be humbled as they saw what they wanted to happen in the future, indeed had happened. This is the greatest learning environment I am sharing and the little things I have learned is what I hoped for did happen. For those of us, like me, who were new-born searchers in the Ancient Greeks, we have learned new words, new ideas, new associations, new love for something most of us never envisioned, and having staff members who have shown and demonstrated how true, enlightened, and full of love teachers make it happen. I am so thankful there are you in this class that have pushed me way out of my comfort zone, over the cliff, and have caused me to have to dig and I mean dig to grasp what you are explaining. This is the greatest, selfless endeavor I have seen. The way all of you are so willing to help just blows me away. We thank you Greg, Lenny, Kevin, Claudia, Jeff, and all the others who teach us and then let us grow. Today has been a very trying day for me and I know that my continued words of gratitude may seem insincere - dear classmates please know every word I send out to all of you is as sincere as I can make them. All of you have encouraged me and have helped me reach this point. Please remember that there will always be someone out here reading all of your posts and something one of you write may just be what that person needs to make it through the day. Thank you to those who makes this a journey full of wonderment and joy. Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T05:40:05Z FirstChildTAG: Here is what prof. Nagy and the satff are thankfully NOT doing. Gratefully, Dominique ![education][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13657970517637865.jpg FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T20:05:42Z SecondChildTAG: I can't help posting this a second time (it's also on Prof. Nagy's Message about assessments and certificates). :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T20:10:34Z SecondChildTAG: D. true absolutely true. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T05:46:40Z IndexTAG: 3 TitleTAG: Hour 5 Release Date As mentioned previously, Hours 1 through 5 are intended as an introduction to slow reading and to the concepts introduced in the early stages of the course. Because Hour 5 contains the most focus passages to date (13), because many participants have joined us since the course began, and because the pace will quicken beginning with hour 6, we will be releasing the videos for hour 5 next week (April 22) UserIdTAG: 615718 UserNameTAG: jeffemanuel CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T00:57:48Z VoteTAG:13 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 18 FirstChildTAG: I would also prefer 1 hour per week, but realize this would extend the dates of the course through the summer. Would this be at all possible? Denny FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1382376 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elenhill FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T21:58:30Z SecondChildTAG: 1 hour a week means that we have at least 19 weeks ahead, which is 5 months ....and as you can guess the end of the course will be ...when?On September?? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1371431 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mvsp SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T14:30:41Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks so much! What a relief! I have so much material to catch up with... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1340174 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Dimitra_21 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T01:15:24Z SecondChildTAG: Oh,me too! I just finished Hour 3! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 914394 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T03:24:31Z SecondChildTAG: Well, we'll have time to read something in advance at least. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1252184 SecondChildUserNameTAG: a2010 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T17:39:54Z SecondChildTAG: I'm relieved too! A big thankyou to the team for being so thoughtful. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1567139 SecondChildUserNameTAG: errequeerre SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T09:22:52Z SecondChildTAG: This definetely helps us not to fall too behind, and not feel discouraged trying to fit everything in our lives. I had been thinking of dropping out, but I would hate missing that great experience. This course is like a spark in my life (when everything else is so gloomy in Greece). Thank you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343062 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Persefone3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T16:16:51Z FirstChildTAG: Dear jeffemanuel, Claudia, staff, I fully understand your concerns and have no problem with the changing timetable, but there is one thing I really am going to have to know: **What does this do to the finishing date of the course?** I am beginning to be somewhat concerned about what may happen to my summer... Thanks Brian FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T08:16:03Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Brian, June 26 is still the planned finishing date of the course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 615718 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T13:45:28Z SecondChildTAG: Could you give us a timetable showing how the remaining units will be released between now and then, please Jeff? I'm really concerned that once we start the two Hours a week, it's all going to feel very pressured after this delightfully soft start. Are there any of the fast reading passages for the weeks ahead that you would particularly recommend to read in advance now, while we still have a lot of time to spare? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1381492 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nickg5c SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T14:20:39Z SecondChildTAG: I'm certainly going to reread the Iliad and read as much of the Odyssey as I can. We'll be flying once we start up again! eight scrolls per hour... I have reread Hour 0 and am glad that I did. It means a lot more now! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T15:18:35Z SecondChildTAG: I have similar plans for the week - especially about reading the Odyssey. I could still remember much of the Iliad when we started, but I haven't looked at the Odyssey for years. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T19:30:42Z SecondChildTAG: I see your concern, Brian, you are quite a busy man, and certainly have much to do. It wouldn't matter to me if the course stretched through the summer. Living on Social Security Disability, I'll have no money to travel, and there is nothing I'd rather do anyway...except that when I'm doing the reading, I keep feeling the breath of Calliope filling my chest, pushing my ribs out farther than they usually go. She and Urania have joined to inspire me to set the Iliad some 1250 years beyond the Singularity of Ray Kurzweil, in a planetary system with a "Hot Jupiter," but one seven times the mass of the Jupiter in our system. All the major characters of the original Iliad will be there, but the Olympians will be strong AIs and the protagonist will be take the name of Kleandros (too many people already know the name of Achilles). This hero will be the Lieutenant Commander of the starship, Kleos Aphthiton . This was meant to be a short story, but it is already up past 12,900 words with no end in sight. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1180485 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Montresor49 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T20:02:31Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! I really enjoy this project but time is always a problem. This change of program is a problem for me and I am really concerned about what is going to happen when we are going to have two Hours per week!!! I think that we should really continue with one Hour per week. We are not full-time students and the course in not only extremely interesting something that makes you want to read more and more but demanding in itself. And I have to stress that most of us are working so unfortunately time is limited! Another thing that I would like to say is about the video clips of each Hour. If you could please upload the excellent video clips of Professor Nagy at the beginning of the week (meaning as soon as we finish the exams of the previous hour) and not on the day of the exams, that would be really helpful for us to organize our material. Thank you! (P.S. I am afraid the video clips of Hour 9 haven't been uploaded.) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1402699 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Archaeo100 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T09:07:15Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Archaeo100, There is no time limit or date requirement for completing the assessments (other than the course end date), so you can feel free to watch the videos and then do the assessments several days later. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 615718 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T13:46:27Z SecondChildTAG: Jeffemanuel are you going to upload the tests for both Hours 5 and 6 together on the 22nd??? If yes, it is really essential that you release the videos as soon as possible prior to that date, since we are going to have two Hours at the same time. And it would be great if you could do that for every hour (releasing the videos of the next hour as soon as we finish the previous hour)!!! Thank you!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1402699 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Archaeo100 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T14:24:39Z FirstChildTAG: In Hr5 Dr. Nagy mentions the Apache ritual concerning "Changing Woman" and he has a recording of this. I have located some photos taken in Arizona between 1940-1945. These are photos of young Apache girls in ceremonial dress and location. http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10266/rec/20 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10262/rec/17 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10261/rec/16 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10260/rec/15 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10253/rec/13 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10252/rec/12 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10251/rec/11 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10250/rec/10 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10246/rec/9 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10173/rec/2 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10240/rec/3 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10283/rec/4 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10118/rec/5 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10129/rec/7 http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cpa/id/10243/rec/8 I hope all of you enjoy these time shots, as I'm not sure they still do this. I've not been able to talk with anyone who knows for sure. Arizona and New Mexico have many different reservations. Have fun. Bobby FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T02:32:56Z SecondChildTAG: Wonderful pictures Bobby (and Hi!), Thanks for putting them up, Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T03:58:24Z SecondChildTAG: Good to see you Hal & thank you. Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T04:25:39Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you, Bobby. I really enjoyed the photos. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Erza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T05:14:14Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks, Bobby. I appreciate your posting of these pictures. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T06:17:07Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Bobby, great pics! Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T06:30:22Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Ezra, Sunny, and Dominique, thank you for finding enjoyment in this trip back in time - not Ancient Greece butmany of these people are gone and it does them honor by seeing and having good thoughts about them. Thank you for your replies. Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T07:03:24Z SecondChildTAG: Magnificent. Thanks Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T08:14:10Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Scott. Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T12:39:50Z SecondChildTAG: Sorry, Brian, I wrote Scott instead. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T12:48:43Z SecondChildTAG: bobby, thank you for the though! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T15:44:19Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you very much! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T17:36:57Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks to you, Helen and marianna. As far as the landscape is here, not much has changed out in the desert areas. I haven't been to the Whiteriver area but have driven past it going to Tucson. Glad you enjoyed the photos. Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T19:19:56Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for sharing these fascinating photos. Any idea why the woman is crying in No. 7? Denny SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1382376 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elenhill SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T21:54:23Z SecondChildTAG: thanks Bobby for the pictures. that's what I like most in this course people exchanging ''cultural gifts'' SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1359117 SecondChildUserNameTAG: fernir SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T15:48:57Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you elenhill and fernir for your appreciation of a time that is no longer. I am glad you found interest in a part of our Indian Culture. In light of what happened during the Boston Marathon, it is good to be able to go to a specific time when the people were peacefully celebrating a major event in the lives of the young women of the tribe. Thank you, Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T04:35:22Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I have two major problems: I cannot watch the videos of Hour 5 and instead of Hour 5, the title is "Hour **9**". Can someone tell me what is wrong? Many thanks in advance! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1334807 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MrnMathioud FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T11:51:56Z SecondChildTAG: Hi everyone, the videos will be released when the hour is officially released, which will be 4/22/2013. However, if you go to the main menu at the top of the page and click on the "24h" button, entire 24 hr schedule opens. If one clicks on 6hr, the texts for the hour opens. No videos are listed, but one will have the texts from the 24h book. This will only be for this current week because I think that the 2hr/wk goes back into effect starting with hr6. I think that when Dr. Muellner posted that each hour would now have its on question set and Close reading discussion forum, that June 23, 2013 is listed as completion date. I'm not sure - I think this true though. I'm trying to explain using my phone and I don't know for sure if I'm addressing the correct post. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T12:35:51Z SecondChildTAG: Hour 9 is probably there by mistake. I wouldn't worry much about it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 245702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Carpetudo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T12:39:25Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you so much guys!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1334807 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MrnMathioud SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T13:05:16Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Jeff and thanks for the post above. Not only is there much to read - lots of it is from Sappho and she is deep. I have finished my 5th reading and there is still lots I need to understand. One thing though; where do I find the "live meetings" where I will find all the recordings Dr. Nagy points out? Bobby FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T02:09:18Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Bobby 5991 Some of the recordings that are noted in the Textbook have URLs for websites. I have been able to copy the URLs into a browser to access them. You might try that. I have found, however, that some of them do not work on the IPad. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1431569 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Pyrrha SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T02:35:49Z SecondChildTAG: The one in Hr5 he just mentions live meeting and I don't remember how to get there. Has to do something with chs.harvard.edu., I think - is this a good place to find Live Meetings? Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T02:43:55Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Bobby, I think "live meetings" just means when Prof. Nagy teaches the class face-to-face. Remember this H24H text we are reading is being released to the general public in a book form in June from Harvard University Press, so he might be making reference to other material that may be available then. I think the videos that we see in Courseware are our version of the "live meetings." Jenna SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T11:55:21Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you, Jenn Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T12:42:45Z FirstChildTAG: In courseware right after the activities of hour 4 appears hour 9!!! What does this mean? Do we skip the rest? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294673 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KOTSOS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T13:50:55Z SecondChildTAG: I think you can safely assume it's just an accident. Something similar happened a couple of weeks ago and it was fixed pretty quickly. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T19:32:20Z FirstChildTAG: This really throws my weekly schedule off. Please make a final decision about when the weekly assignments will be released and stick to it. I don't think I'm alone in having to juggle work, family obligations and study. It helps to have a set time when I know I have to watch the videos and do the assignments. This course is fascinating and also very time consuming, so planning is essential to me. Thanks. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 943768 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Shelleyjane FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T15:36:50Z SecondChildTAG: I agree. I need to be able to plan my study time well in advance because of work and family. I worked very hard yesterday to finish all of Hour 4, and was looking forward to taking a look at Hour 5 today. I will likely do what some other have mentioned and get a head start on rereading the Iliad. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1398840 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HeatherHarrington SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T20:39:41Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Jeff - I believe an earlier post in another thread indicated that June 26 is the last day coursework could be completed to receive "credit" for the course, but that the Hours would all be posted well before then. With the latest delay in posting the next Hour, will the course actually go until June 26? I'm starting a summer course and want to understand if the two courses will actually overlap or if this course will technically be finished before June 26 and that extra time is included in the schedule. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 890680 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jeanne_Burke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T13:58:55Z FirstChildTAG: this is a repost as I did not know where to post so you might actually read. I understand but it would it not be equitable to all participants if you released Hour 5 today and left it for 2 weeks or week and half. I work long and hard in this class in the time I have allotted by my life to be ready. What you are teaching is that the more I/we are not prepared the more perks there are. As if you are giving Kleos for taking the "other" road. Please reconsider the availability of Hour 5. You need to be "reading out" from ALL your students not just some. I understand but it would it not be equitable to all participants if you released Hour 5 today and left it for 2 weeks or week and half. I work long and hard in this class in the time I have allotted by my life to be ready. What you are teaching is that the more I/we are not prepared the more perks there are. As if you are giving Kleos for taking the lesser road. Please reconsider the availability of Hour 5. You need to be "reading out" from ALL your students not just some. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1302678 FirstChildUserNameTAG: amze FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T17:09:12Z FirstChildTAG: Hi to everyone! A word of cricism: I'm participating with my wife (a Briseis), which means that I have a discussion partner, but still it's hard enough to find enough time to cope appropriately. However, that's our problem, since we can take it or leave it. What's worse is not to know what you are to expect in terms of schedule, because we DO make plans to have sufficient time for the course and work and keep the little one happy and and.. So, please, settle.. A word of support: If I'm not mistaken, it's the first time this course has gone on-line, so I guess we ought to be lenient, for there's a lot to be fine-tuned. Let's say we are contributing to the making of, and not just audiencing it.. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1360534 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EliasP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T19:05:45Z SecondChildTAG: That's pretty much how I see it. Every problem we run into is one less for the next group of students. Still, I'm looking forward to settling into a nice, steady two hours/week. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T19:36:02Z SecondChildTAG: Agreed! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T21:03:35Z SecondChildTAG: Dear EliasP, Aberwegian, and Priscilla, we value this feedback. Thank you. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T01:02:06Z FirstChildTAG: I think you would have to post only 1hour for week! What a hurry! 1 hour for week is the best solution! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1471435 FirstChildUserNameTAG: FilBos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T21:39:51Z FirstChildTAG: Reading the above responses, I think that the best solution would be to release two hours a week starting with Hour 6 as promised. Thus, those who are worried about having this extend into their summer will have the chance to stay on task. However, the end of the course should be extended a month or even two (after the last module has been released) to allow those who have fallen behind to bask in the work without to much pressure before catching up. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240521 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dmartin14 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T03:37:32Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Dr Nagy and other members of the staff, I know that you already have a schedule; I would like to know if there is any chance that you could make a modification programming just an hour a week. Personally I'm doing my best effort, but I have a lot of activities throughout the week, and English is not my native language. I enjoy the course a lot and I wish to learn about Ancient Greek Heroes, but two hours a week would be beyond my available time. I don't know if anyone else agrees with my position but I would appreciate your opinion. Thank you very much ALEJLAR FirstChildUserIdTAG: 985267 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ALEJLAR FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T17:33:35Z FirstChildTAG: I wish we could be told a little earlier than on the day the material should have been released that it is postponed. I spend a lot of time and work hard to prepare for each hour, and if I had known I had one more week on it I could have made my priorities a little different. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1383132 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Baral FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T07:52:24Z SecondChildTAG: I can understand your feelings. Then I realized that athr6, the schedule will go back to 2 hr/wk. so what I've decided to do is go ahead and print out hr6 & hr 7. You maay want do this. If you have hr5 all done, then Start on 6. I hope this makes a little sense and help ease the stress. Another thing I've found that works for me is to fast read the reading and then focus on the 24hr texts and the. videos. Good luck and loose. As a classmate told me just stray loose. Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T08:16:21Z SecondChildTAG: I do agree with you Baral, but at least now we have another week to read Sappho. I don't want to start with Hour 6 yet, the material is so extensive, so I think it's easier to consentrate at one Hour at the time. I was hoping for a release of one "Hour" pr week, that would have been great! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1423155 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Elsebeth SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T08:27:46Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Baral, Please accept our apologies for the late notice. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 615718 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T13:38:45Z SecondChildTAG: I understand but it would it not be equitable to all participants if you released Hour 5 today and left it for 2 weeks or week and half. I work long and hard in this class in the time I have allotted by my life to be ready. What you are teaching is that the more I/we are not prepared the more perks there are. As if you are giving Kleos for taking the lesser road. Please reconsider the availability of Hour 5. You need to be "reading out" from ALL your students not just some. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1302678 SecondChildUserNameTAG: amze SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T15:01:49Z SecondChildTAG: this is somewhat problematic, I was managing one a week and was ready for the next set of assessments, I was in a good routine, don't really see how delaying for a week helps. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1414596 SecondChildUserNameTAG: rfid SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T22:46:47Z FirstChildTAG: I wonder whether it would be hard for you to post the lectures for hour 5 without the quizzes, so that those of us who have trouble getting them downloaded (many, I think), can at least get on with the downloads ahead of time, at least this once? It generally takes me the better part of 24 hours to collect all the clips, so this would be a real bonus! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T14:47:27Z FirstChildTAG: The logic of the following is elusive. > Because Hour 5 contains the most focus passages to date (13), because > many participants have joined us since the course began, and because > the pace will quicken beginning with hour 6, we will be releasing the > videos for hour 5 next week (April 22) If thirteen focus passages in Hour5 will be an unusual burden, wouldn't it make sense to release Hour 5 right now? As it is, we will have two weeks to do Hour4, and, it would seem, less time for Hour5. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 993875 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CHH-1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T17:14:43Z IndexTAG: 4 TitleTAG: [From Staff] Discussion of Hour 3 Close Reading Exercise In an effort to promote learning and interaction around the assessments, we are creating a thread for each question set and close reading exercise. **Please use this thread to discuss the close reading exercise from Hour 3.** The purpose of this thread is to generate further intellectual community among our members and to promote discussion of content. If you have technical issues with a question set or close reading exercise set, please post those concerns in the general Discussion. Leonard Muellner, Chair of the Board of Readers Claudia Filos, Editor of Content and Social Media UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T01:33:14Z VoteTAG:8 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 10 FirstChildTAG: I would like to focus on the second Close Reading Exercise in Hour 3: *It would be better for me, |411 if I should lose you, to lie dead and be covered over by the earth, since there will no longer |412 be anything left to comfort me when you have met your fate. |413 I will have nothing but sorrows [akhos plural].* *In Hour 3 Text D, the word akhos in the plural refers to the ‘sorrows’ of Andromache: what exactly are these ‘sorrows’?* 1. akhos (in the plural) as the ‘sorrows’ of Andromache - she will feel grief over the death of Hector, and she senses that his death is imminent 2. akhos (in the plural) as the ‘sorrows’ of Andromache - she feels grief over the death of Hector in the future, just as she felt grief over the death of her father, mother, and brothers in the past 3. akhos (in the plural) as the ‘sorrows’ of Andromache - she feels the same grief for Hector that she feels for her father, mother, and brothers I read the answer and understand why I was wrong to choose the first option: Andromache is grieving for a future loss at that moment and since ‘will feel grief’ refers to the future, this option is incorrect. I would like the designer(s) of that question to understand what led me to choose the first option, however. I focused on the “*…she feels grief over…Hector,…**just as** [my emphasis] she felt grief over the death of her her father, mother, and brothers in the past*” in option two and “*…feels **the same** [my emphasis] grief for Hector that she feels for her father, mother, and brothers*” in option three. It was the following passage that threw me off track: *For Andromache, all she has left is her husband Hector, who is now the entirety of her ascending scale of affections. Hector has become for Andromache her father, brothers, and mother as well as her husband. In effect, Andromache is telling Hector: you're my everything. (from 3§28)* If Hector is, as she says, her ‘everything’, the ‘entirety of her ascending scale of affections’, then isn’t the grief she feels for Hector greater than that she feels for the loss of her parents and siblings? It seems that there are degrees of grief, that grief is relative rather than absolute. My evidence for that is the following passage, taken from Scroll XIX: *[315] “Hapless and dearest comrade, you it was who would get a good dinner ready for me at once and without delay when the Achaeans were hastening to fight the Trojans. 319 But now there you are, lying there, all cut up, while my heart [320] is wanting, though I have drink and food [in my shelter], 321because of my longing [pothē] for you. **There is nothing I could possibly suffer that would be worse than this, 322 not even if I were to hear news that my father died** 323 [my emphasis]- who is now in Phthia weeping gently 324 about losing the kind of son that he has, and here I am, this son that I am, in a foreign country [dēmos],… (Scroll XIX)* Achilles is referring to degrees of suffering here, that there could be nothing worse than losing Patroclos, not even losing his father. For Achilles, Patroclos is the ‘entirety of his ascending scale of affections’, his ‘everything’ and so his grief is greater than it would be if he had lost his father. So, my argument is that option 2 and 3 are problematic as well since the grief that Andromache feels for the loss of Hector is not ‘the same as’ or ‘just as’ powerful an emotion as that she feels for the loss of her parents and siblings. Her loss of Hector brings about a grief that is greater, in the same way that the loss of Patroclos evokes a grief in Achilles that is greater than that he would feel for the loss of his father. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 906924 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Michaelon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T05:38:39Z SecondChildTAG: Interesting point, Michaelon. Nice argument about degrees of akhos. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T07:44:53Z SecondChildTAG: Good one Michaelon. I am another one who thought as you did, from reading the same notes, that Hector was her 'everything'. Glad I'm not alone SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T07:58:37Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for your analysis Michaelon! I thought the same way too. The ascending scale of affection was central in my thinking and I thought that Andromache was "connecting the dots" as Prof Nagy says with a series of sorrows, linking the past (her slain father and seven brothers, her queen mother who was exchanged for an untold amount of property), the present (the war that was closing in on them, and her husband who was getting ready to go out and fight Achilles), and her future (her anticipation that Hector will die and she will live as a widow with an orphan). In her lament I was feeling a crescendo that parallels her ascending order of affection. In other words I don't see a difference in terms of the degree of grief between Andromache's story and the Melmeagros-Kleopatra story and Achilles-Patroklos story where the degree of grief and who is at the top of the ascending scale of emotions was central in understanding the poem. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1369191 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SophiaCoro SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T10:44:22Z SecondChildTAG: Hello everybody! Thank you all for your enlightening and interesting posts. I quite agree that for Andromache the loss of Hector would easily be put at the top of the ascending climax of her feelings in terms that Hector represents "her everything". This argument could be supported by the position of the woman in the period which the epic describes. A woman wouldn't exist without a man's help and protection. Andromache would be a no-body after Hector's death, a disposable object. Sometimes when I read the epics I have the strong impression that these women's laments are the result of the necessity not of sincere feelings. Nevertheless Andromache seems to be an exception in terms that her feelings towards Hector seem to be deep and genuine. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331092 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stiliani SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T16:51:33Z SecondChildTAG: I find it interesting that Andromache and Briseis do not have any kholos against Achilles. They both suffered great sorrow because of him yet they both talk highly of him; radiant Achilles. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1434241 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mayragul SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T12:15:54Z SecondChildTAG: I found it boring to say exactly the same things since your post covered with acurracy my thoughs and my choice of the first answer. Thanks for the post SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1365399 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EFIKYR SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T17:56:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, Classmates, About the question, what was Akhilleus Singing? I wonder if Akhilleus, like Andromache, is singing a lament of premonition and doesn't quite get to the part about Patroklos dying. After all, Akhilleus was cut-off when the ambassadors arrived: "Achilles sprang up from his seat with the lyre still in his hand. [Il.IX.193]" Perhaps it's a metaphor that "Patroklos was ... waiting for the Aeacid to leave off singing [Il.IX.191]" because he "is waiting for his turn to sing the klea andron [H24H.2§31]." Of course, Akhilleus cannot lament the death of Patroklos at this point because it's still unclear that they are even staying in Troy. But as H24H tells us, "the klea andron sung by Achilles himself is the song of Kleopatra ... It is also the song of Patroklos [H24H.3§33]." Patroklos, here, refers not to the man, but the pateres kleos. And yet, perhaps the part that Patroklos was waiting to sing was not only about the pateres kleos, but also himself. That is, just as Akhilleus "is not only the subject of songs sung by the master Narrator" of The Iliad but "is also the performer of such songs [H24H.2§31]," perhaps, Patroklos too, was about to be both the object and subject of his own song. I would love your thoughts on this. Cheers, Genghis FirstChildUserIdTAG: 5002 FirstChildUserNameTAG: genghis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T07:32:05Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Genghis. I have already posted an answer, a poetic answer. It may interest you. Achilles was singing with a lyre. You will see and hear its descendant the Cretan lyre. I can't decide about the song you 'll hear on the net, if it is an epic song or a lament. Achilles in his tent was singing klea andron, the glories of men and Homer didn't say what exactly he sang. What you 'll hear, is a folk song from Crete about Digenes, a hero who is a symbol of Greek people. What you 'll see, are Cretans who dance and also scenes of various wars of 20th century and scenes of times of foreign occupation and resistance. In one of them there is the funeral of our national poet Kostadinos Palamas in occupied Athens during the 2nd WW, which became a riot for freedom. In another scene you will see another poet called Ritsos, sat at “Homer's stone” in the island of Chios and this scene is also symbolic. When a warrior dies another warrior takes his place. And when a poet dies another poet takes his place to sing klea andron, the glories of men. So I think that this is what Achilles sang: he didn't sing only the klea andron of the past, thinking that his kleos would be also sung. He was singing klea andron of the past and also of the future, of the generations to come. He knew that his kleos would be unperishable, that he would be a hero of the generations to come. Homer in fact was singing through Achilles, not only klea andron of the past but also of the future. Because the past, klea andron of the past, would form the future, would form the future heroes and Homer knew it. It's a pain that every generation faces the same "fate" and that poets have to sing klea andron as Homer did. It's a pain that Homer was right about the future, which is now our history and perhaps our future again. I prefer love songs or songs about the beauty of life. I translate the song you will hear, which is the lament and also the kleos of Digenes: Digenes is dying and the earth is trembling and the tombstone is shivering. How will it cover him? From where he lies he speaks as a brave man: If only the earth had stairs and the sky handles... I would climb up the stairs I would grab the handles and curl up to sit down and give the sky a shake. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIOufzUmP4Y Cheers your fellow student Euthumia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T10:38:18Z SecondChildTAG: I was able to find two people who were represnted singing the the song .One person was Phoenix as he tells the story when he is old. The other was Achilles who sang with the lyre. I"m not sure .who the third person is. I think it is Pateoklos, since he was waiting his turn SecondChildUserIdTAG: 990478 SecondChildUserNameTAG: katieramos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T04:45:03Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Euthumia. Thank you for the post and the video. I am really enjoying the posts from those of you in Greece. In the group, Hippolytus, Annahou posted some here: http://tinyurl.com/c6duzdj. But Euthumia, this passage of yours is very helpful: _He was singing klea andron of the past and also of the future, of the generations to come. He knew that his kleos would be unperishable, that he would be a hero of the generations to come. Homer in fact was singing through Achilles, not only klea andron of the past but also of the future._ This makes sense to me. But what does it mean to sing the klea andron of the future if you are the hero and not the poet? Given what you know about these things, is it possible to sing klea andron of the future if you _are_ that future? Kostadinos Palamas and Ritsos are singing past and future songs about other people--warriors. But could those warriors sing about themsevles in the future tense? If Achilles is singing the klea andron of the future, can he really finish that song? A part of that future is Patroklos', and his own, death. Do you think one reason that Achilles sprang up from his seat, lyre in hand, is precisely because he _cannot_ sing of their pending deaths? Some final questions, if I may: 1. I assume that this man in this man is playing the cretan lyre? Like the [man in this link][1]? ![enter image description here][2] 2. Is this Kostadinos Palamas? ![enter image description here][3] 3. Is this Ritsos? ![enter image description here][4] 4. Who is this man? ![enter image description here][5] Cheers, Genghis [1]: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Traditional_cretan_lyra.jpg [2]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13657446201343636.gif [3]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13657446421343689.gif [4]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13657447081343651.gif [5]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13657447244954426.gif SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T05:33:05Z SecondChildTAG: Genghis, the answer to the three first questions is yes. I think that the man in the last photo is Alexandros Panagoulis, a Greek politician and poet who struggled against the dictators we had in Greece from 1967 until 1974. He was arrested and tortured. After the restoration of democracy he became a parliament member but died young at the age of 36 in a car accident. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T08:20:35Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks, Euthymia. This looks like the same man: http://tinyurl.com/cf4q2wk. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T13:17:20Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, Euthymia is right. I also think that the last one is Panagoulis. The man in the first photo is not only a lyre player but also a very famous one, Psaradonis [Ψαραντώνης]. He is from Anogia, Crete and is a member of the family of Ksilouris [Ξυλούρης]. Nikos Ksilouris was a famous and very dear singer in Greece. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T13:24:21Z SecondChildTAG: I totally agree with Euthymias point of view. I also thing that is very intresting for someone who wants to learn a bit more about the Greek song tradition to see how the ancient song culture is linked to the newest greek song cutlute. Degenis Akritas is one of the most popular feagures in the kind of songs that are tellying stories of capable worriors, noble men. Their deeds are captured into these songs with magnificent words. The combination of words and music have a great affect in the heart of the people that are listening to these songs and strengthen their love for what is the most importand for them. Moreover, these type of songs were the one and only education that everyday people could have and by that I mean that the lack of schools was creating the need of a medium that would past to the youngs the historical events. Thank you again Euthymia for bringing up the matter and I hope that I helped the rest of our classmates. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1176571 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SMAGOUL SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T16:30:04Z SecondChildTAG: What does it mean to sing klea andron of the past if you are the warrior? If Achilles is singing klea andron of the future can he really finish the song? Achilles was a warrior and a poet although not a professional one. His culture was a song culture so I think he sung klea andron in his own words. (I can do the same although I am not a professional poet, but my culture is a song culture, so I can sing klea andron or a song of lament in my own words, when I want to). Of course Homer is behind Achilles. Had Homer ever been a warrior? Perhaps, (who knows?) the battle scenes in Iliad are very realistic. One of our poets who won a Nobel price in poetry had actually been a warrior in WW2 (Odysseus Elites http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odysseas_Elytis). Achilles was about to make a choice: either to fight and die but gain imperishable glory, or leave and have a safe nostos but not be a part of klea andron, of epic songs that preserve the memory of heroes imperishable. He was singing klea andron of the past,knowing that his kleos would also be sung by heroes of the future if he chose to stay. The kleos of future heroes would be sung by other future heroes and so on. Heroes were (and still are) honored by songs and rituals at their tombs. But the most important way for Greeks to honor a hero is to follow his example, to be heroes. Even Achilles followed the example of previous heroes whose klea was singing. Achilles was the favorite hero of Alexander the Great. The name of Achilles was given to many children and one of them became a saint of the Orthodox Church. I have an uncle named Achilles and I think that many children around the world bare the name of Achilles. So, you see, although Achilles never married, in a way he has many descendants. The song of Achilles wasn't finished and it will never finish. As long as mankind exists there will be heroes and also poets to sing klea andron. Some heroes will be poets and some poets will be heroes. But as I told you in the beginning this is a poetic answer not a philological one. Cheers Euthymia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T10:03:29Z SecondChildTAG: I found this song about Greece and Achilles:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tw-W4FWBu0 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T11:05:16Z SecondChildTAG: Euthumia, HelenRouso, Classmates, thanks for fascinating thread. I'm think I am _beginning_ to understand the Greek song culture somewhat. It's one thing for a culture to express themselves through song. It is another to actually live through songs that are passed on forever by that culture. This was really helpful: _The song of Achilles wasn't finished and it will never finish. As long as mankind exists there will be heroes and also poets to sing klea andron. Some heroes will be poets and some poets will be heroes. But as I told you in the beginning this is a poetic answer not a philological one._ That could be it--it could be one reason why Achilles gets up in the middle of his song. Of course, the _practical_ reason he gets up is to greet his guests. But is there a _metaphorical_ reason? And is it precisely because, as you state, "The song of Achilles wasn't finished and it will never finish ... as long as mankind exists" to sing klea andron? In other words, he leaves it to future generations to pick up the relay. Genghis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T06:15:36Z SecondChildTAG: By the way, getting back to the philological, I did some digging on the word, "lyre" and noticed that the word, "[lura][1]," is not used in the Iliad (or so it seems to me). I see "[phorminx][2]" and "[kitharis][3]." Thamyris doesn't play the lyre but the Kithara [II.600] (and I'm guessing was a kitharode?). Same with Paris [III.54]. Apollo [I.604] and Achilles [IX.186] play the phorminx (at least in the Iliad). **Phorminx**: The phorminx was one of the oldest of the Ancient Greek stringed musical instruments, intermediate between the lyre and the kithara. * 5 instances here: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/searchresults?q=fo%2Frmigc&target=greek&doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0133&expand=lemma&sort=docorder * 1 more here: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0133%3Abook%3D18%3Acard%3D490&highlight=fo%2Frmigges **Kithara**: The kithara was a professional version of the two-stringed lyre. As opposed to the simpler lyre, which was a folk-instrument, the kithara was primarily used by professional musicians, called kitharodes. * http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/searchresults?q=kiqaristu%2Fs&target=greek&doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0133&expand=lemma&sort=docorder * http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/searchresults?q=ki/qaris&target=greek&doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133&expand=lemma&sort=docorder Some great photographs of Ancient Greek instruments here: http://toulipagoulimyi.forumgreek.com/t77-topic Overview of Ancient Greek Instruments: http://www.homoecumenicus.com/ancient_instruments.htm Lyre: ![enter image description here][4] Phorminx: ![enter image description here][5] Kithara: ![enter image description here][6] Genghis [1]: http://homoecumenicus.com/Ioannidis-Ancient-Lyra.htm [2]: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://homerica.msh-alpes.fr/he/images/musique/phormix.jpg&imgrefurl=http://homerica.msh-alpes.fr/he/musique/girbal.php&h=743&w=500&sz=192&tbnid=d1Dq9cDeoi_-VM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=65&zoom=1&usg=__1Ftd4NKCzVzWe3IfuqWZMC6C8HU=&docid=Zo2lDLN-6YOYfM&sa=X&ei=OrZrUczAA63-iQLNzIHIDg&ved=0CEUQ9QEwBQ&dur=395 [3]: http://homoecumenicus.com/Ioannidis-Ancient-Cithara.htm [4]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13660136811343633.gif [5]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13660137891343666.gif [6]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13660138067637836.gif SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T08:19:58Z SecondChildTAG: Genghis your answer is also a poetic one! "Achilles leave it to future generations to pick the relay" to continue the song. That's the spirit! And your digging was wonderful, it seems that you found a treasure. Cheers Euthumia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T10:39:24Z SecondChildTAG: Genghis I 'll post a song (a new post), below in this page. I think that when you read it, you will understand better how oral poetics work and what song culture means. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T11:42:35Z SecondChildTAG: Ha ha! Thanks for the encouragement, Euthyumia! Genghis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T14:56:20Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, Classmates, here's another one. When Akhilleus learns of the death of Patroklos, it seems that his akhos does _not_ turn to rage against Hektor (as I had expected)--I was unable to find any support for it in the text. Rather, after learning of Patroklos' death, Akhilleus says "perish strife both from among gods and men, and anger [XVIII.105]"--not just his anger at Agamemnon but in general, it seems. Does Akhilleus kill Hektor from pure grief? Is there no anger? I see no instances of the words akhos or kholos (or khomai) in reference to Akhilleus after he stays his anger against Agamemnon. To disprove my own point, in the video, "A Man of Constant Sorrow: Hour 3, Text A," Professor Nagy says (about the akhos of Akhilleus changing to kholos), "I'm reminded of the passage we read about Meleager ... in reaction to the lament, Meleager feels, first, sorrow instantaneously. And then there, too, the sorrow translates into a red hot anger as we see here, too." I cannot find support for this in the text and wonder if it is implied. There is nothing in that part of the passage (in English or Greek) about akhos or kholos. It _does_ seems hard to believe that Akhilleus and Meleagros are _not_ angry when they go on their killing sprees. But the text doesn't say anything about anger. Am I missing something in my reading of the text? If not, is the anger implied? Or can you kill someone based on pure grief? Cheers, Genghis FirstChildUserIdTAG: 5002 FirstChildUserNameTAG: genghis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T07:52:22Z SecondChildTAG: Hello, Genghis. I believe that to key to your question lies in the sentence you mentioned- " perish strife both from among gods and men, and anger, **wherein even a righteous man will harden his heart**" If I read this correctly, Achilles is saying that anger should perish for it makes even a good man callous. I believe that he is saying this about himself, for earlier he in the text he says- (To Thetis) "Would that you were still dwelling among the immortal sea-nymphs, and that Peleus had taken to himself some mortal bride. For now you shall have grief [penthos] infinite by reason of the death of that son [90] whom you can never welcome home" Already, revenge is *implied* (Which I believe is already a form of anger), and he recognizes that it will be fatal to him. But the main point I rely on is that Achilles knows that his mother will be in great pain for the rest of her immortal life, he will give her unceasing sorrow just because he vows to kill Patroclus. A rather callous and almost selfish action, that I believes stems from anger. As it is anger, as Achilles said, that turns a righteous man callous. I hope that my opinion has assisted you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1168963 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jdry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T12:37:42Z SecondChildTAG: Further more. (Sorry for the double comment, I just discovered this in the same scroll. A metaphor for Achilles lamenting over Patroclus)- and the son of Peleus led them in their lament. He laid his manslaughtering hands upon the breast of his comrade, **groaning again and again as a bearded lion when a man who was chasing deer has robbed him of his young in some dense forest; [320] when the lion comes back he is furious**, and searches dingle and dell to track the hunter if he can find him, **for he is mad with rage** SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1168963 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jdry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T12:52:17Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, jdry. I wasn't quite convinced with your first argument; but your second is very compelling: "when the lion comes back he is furious, and searches dingle and dell to track the hunter if he can find him, for he is mad with rage." In your first argument, you say this: "Already, revenge is implied (Which I believe is already a form of anger), and he recognizes that it will be fatal to him." You may be right, I am not sure. But I do have to think more about whether "revenge" is implied. We hear of Achilles' impending death throughout but I don't believe there is any premonition about _how_ he is going to die. Without that, we cannot deduce he is going to be angry. But again, I am not sure. The gist of my argument was that while the text describes Achilles as having akhos and kholos _up to the point_ of his learning of Patroklos's death--_after_ that point, I see no mentions of kholos, only akhos. Your lion simile, though, is excellent and changes my argument somewhat--Achilles _is_ described as having [kholos][1], if only indirectly. Thanks for spotting that and posting. I believe you are on to something there. Genghis [1]: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133:book=18:card=284&highlight=xo/los SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T14:30:58Z SecondChildTAG: I have not read all of the Iliad scrolls so I too am not sure whether there is a premonition regarding Achilles death. (I don't think so though). I'm glad my (second) answer was helpful. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1168963 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jdry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T15:13:50Z SecondChildTAG: I feel you could kill someone based on grief. I don't feel the psychology of grief has changed much. When we love someone, and they die- we often feel the wish to "kill'. Laments I feel are even sung by grieving individuals today. However, they are not sung in public as in the Iliad. I feel most people may go off somewhere private and let their despair be seen by nature and God. In other words, I think we can identify a lot with the individuals in the Iliad. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 247732 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Snazzy2 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T15:27:22Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! I would like to add the information that laments could be sung in public and in Greece there are regions today where you can still hear women singing heartbreaking laments during the funerals. The singing of these laments is performed in front of the family and whoever attends the ceremony. In the most cases these women are professional lament-singers, they are dressed in black and they get paid by the family of the dead in order to increase the sorrow and the grief with their song which is aways adjusted to the case. The female members of the griefing family, they also sing laments with all the proper and necessary use of the body (hair undone, clothes torn away, crying loud an so on). For them lament is of no use if it is performed in a private way or area. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331092 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stiliani SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T17:01:55Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Genghis This is my 2nd class in Greek Mythology, my first one being 50+ years ago. So, my understanding of Achilles is limited to what I have read so far in this course. That said, I would like to say I think for Achilles the emotion of anger is very closely tied to the emotion of grief, and perhaps does not need to be explicitly mentioned when the context of the grief implies anger (and murderous rage). We first learn (read) about his anger when Agamemnon demands Briseis for returning Khrysēis to her father. He felt grief and murderous rage against Agamemnon. *whether to draw the sharp sword at his thigh 191 and make the others get up and scatter while **he kills the son of Atreus [= Agamemnon]**, 192 or whether to check his anger [kholos] and restrain his heart [thūmos].* I think Briseis was more than just a trophy. I think he had come to feel affection and tender feelings for her, which Patroklos had communicate to her, promising their marriage. Then we were told of **the tale of Achilles and Penthesileia, and Achilles’s subsequent killing of Thersites** for taunting him for being in love with her. Dr. Nagy says; *All along, Penthesileia has been his other self in the feminine gender, as even her name shows, and now he has killed her. The death of Penthesileia thus becomes a source of grief, sorrow, and overwhelming sadness for Achilles, this man of constant sorrow.* I think it was this grief that provoked Achilles to kill Thersites when he poked fun and taunted him for falling in love with Penthesileia. His insults were also against Penthesileia , the object of his secret love, who is now dead and lost to him, and I think in his grief Achilles raged against Thersites. In terms of Patroklos, we find overwhelming sense of grief coming from Achilles. His grief is so profound, his anger might be implicit but shows most graphically in the way he goes on murderous assaults against Trojans, sparing no one, even when young son of Priam, unarmerd, no helmet nor shield, totally defenceless, clutches his knees and begs for mercy, and to spare his life. I would have to say to kill a totally defenseless man you would have to feel cold fury, not just grief, and I feel the passage is illustrating the intensity of Achilles’s grief and fury. Reading these passages, what emerges for me at least is a portrait of a young man who, although he does not show tender gentle side easily, preferring to be a mighty warrior, nevertheless very much feels and is affected by feelings of love (sexual, and in a more broader sense) and tender affection. Those who are near and dear to him are extremely important to him, and he reacts with intense grief (and anger) when he loses them, either by death or by separation, and his anger is directed against whom who are responsible for that loss. He even experiences grief for the heartbreak of his parents when he dies, which is imminent. Although I am likely "reading in" to the passage, I also wonder about the emotion of guilt in his grief. He personally killed Penthesilea, and is thus guilty. He stood aloof from the battle and sent Patroklos back to the battle alone, clothed in Achilles armor. Had he joined the battle then, Patroklos might still be alive. In my “modern” mind, I would be feeling intense guilt as well as grief. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T22:25:06Z SecondChildTAG: I quite agree with the last point about Achilles feeling so guilty, as well, at the death of Patroklos. Somewhere later on, I forget where, he does sort of admit it. With that guilt, his rage against Hector would be greater than normal, because he KNOWS in part it's his fault. OK, Patroklos disobeyed instructions, but even so.... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T14:55:30Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks, Snazzy2, thanks, stilliani. Stilliani, in [this post][1] (in the group, Hippolytus), Annahou posted a video of (what appears to be) two professional lamenters: http://tinyurl.com/bm78v3t. Cheers, Genghis [1]: http://tinyurl.com/c6duzdj SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T05:44:12Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Kaoru. Thanks for the post. I don't disagree with your points about the connectedness of grief and anger. I also took another look at the text and found this: "O Patroklos, now that I am left behind you, I will not bury you, till I have brought here the head and armor of mighty Hector who has slain you. Twelve noble sons of Trojans will I behead before your bier to _avenge_ you [Il.XVIII.334]." The word, "avenge," caught my eye and, in fact, the Greek here is [kholotheis][1]. Fitzgerald translates the same section as, "Before your funeral pyre I'll cut the throats of twelve resplendent children of the Trojans--that is my _murdering fury_ at your death." This is rage, alright. And it makes sense. The way he treats Hektor in death is less than human. About your point that guilt may have played a factor. I don't know the text well-enough to know one way or the other. But I have to admit, I hesitate to embrace this theory. From what I understand, guilt is a very western Christian (i.e., Catholic) concept; and Eastern Orthodoxy (i.e., eastern Christianity) does not focus on guilt. Did you find any specific passages that gave you the impression that Achilles felt guilt? It would be cool to investigate this more. Cheers, Genghis [1]: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133:book=18:card=324&highlight=xolwqei/s SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T06:45:06Z FirstChildTAG: I’d like to discuss Question 3 in Hour 3. It concerns the two passages: “he was now diverting his heart [thūmos] with it as he was singing [aeidein] the glories of men [klea andrōn]” and “[190] Patroklos was the only other person there. He [= Patroklos] sat in silence, facing him [= Achilles], 191 and waiting for the Aeacid [= Achilles] to leave off singing [aeidein]. 192 Meanwhile the two of them came in - radiant Odysseus leading the way - 193 and stood before him.” I chose the tag, “Achilles performs klea andrōn — for Patroklos” as part of my answer and it was the wrong tag. I’ve read the staff answer and I understand what you are saying. However, I’m not sure I know how you get there from the translated text we are reading. In explaining this passage the staff explanation is: “Later on, in Hour 8§§25-31, we will see that Achilles and Patroklos are actually performing in relay, and that relay performance is typical of the Homeric tradition as a public medium. If you answered that Achilles performs klea andrōn “for Patroklos,” you would be making Patroklos look bad, as if he were merely a one-man audience…”. That of course is how I interpreted that passage, as Patroklos being a one man audience. However, I didn’t think it was making Patroklos look bad. I never considered the possibility that this was a “relay” between Patroklos and Achilles “and that relay performance is typical of the Homeric tradition as a public medium.” When I first read this passage I thought that it was two men comforting each other with songs of heroes they may have learned as part of their military training or traditions. Then I thought about the way they were seated and started thinking they were lovers and it might be a seduction song. Finally, I thought there might be a teacher pupil relationship, and Patroklos was instructing Achilles on the lyre. I never for a moment thought that Achilles was a virtuoso performer of song (as we see in our Hour 2 slow reading). How could you possibly know that about Achilles from Scroll I - Scroll IX? I guess what I’m trying to say, in this somewhat rambling way, is that I appreciate the scholarship that has gone into the slow reading and I’m learning from it. However, many of the subtleties we see in the slow reading are difficult to find in the translated scrolls that we have been reading. It is often difficult to see how you arrive at some of your conclusions without a lot of scholarly knowledge that most of us do not have. This may be somewhat whiny and perhaps not the proper use of this forum but it is something that’s been on my mind. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1117342 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jack1946 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T12:45:00Z SecondChildTAG: You are not alone Jack! A lot of us feel the same way, I am sure. I thought too that by reading all the texts and watching all the videos of the Hour that I had sufficient knowledge to answer the questions correctly. In the end I am learning that I have to have a deeper understanding of concepts. For example, when I was trying to answer question 3 I did not consider the larger concept, i.e. that lament is a public expression by definition. I answered like you did. I saw it as a private moment between Achilles and Patroklos, the friend who is the most ‘near and dear” and who is at the top of Achilles’ ascending scale of affections. This is now what I am learning slowly and it is taking me time to think it through …to go from literal understanding to a deeper understanding of concepts and the culture of the time, such as epic and lyric, lament, honor, hero, ‘philos’, …….. thank you for your comments! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1369191 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SophiaCoro SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T13:40:29Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for sharing Jack. This was in fact one of the questions I got right, after some serious trouble in Hour 1 and 2. I have never read any anicent Greek epic litterature before, but I thought as Sophia, read the texts and watch the videos thoroughly. Surely it was not enough. What helped me was Prof. Nagy's advice about "reading out of" instead of "into" the text. In a way I feel that you have to "think big" when you read the texts. The following phrase from the explanation of the answers of question 3 can illustrate. > "Because the performance of Achilles is reported by Homeric poetry, it > is automatically a public act and cannot be a private act. Homeric > poetry, as a performance medium in its own right, is a public act. > Anything reported by Homeric performance becomes public, because > Homeric performance is by nature public." SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1423155 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Elsebeth SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T18:24:47Z SecondChildTAG: I'm glad that you've started a thread about this answer Jack, because it also seemed to me to be a reasonable way to read the passage. It's hard to believe that Achilles had been holding his hands over his ears so as to not take heed of the fighting going on down the beach, so you wouldn't think that the reason for the arrival of Agamemnon's emissaries came as any surprise to him. Might it not then be reasonable to think that Achilles was playing the klea andron like this because the need to do something about the threat of Hector burning the Acheans' ships had already been troubling him, and a recital of the glorious heroic deeds of the past served as a good reminder of his and Patroklus' moral obligation to their comrades? If so, whilst he could not yet bring himself to rejoin the fight alongside them, because his honour had been so sullied by the detested Agamemnon, had his thoughts already been turning to allowing Patroklos to be a surrogate for him? Could this exclusive performance by two players with no audience therefore have been "for" Patroklus in the sense of Achilles using it to give rise to the idea of Patroklus fighting in his stead, an idea which he could by no means just come out with straight? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1381492 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nickg5c SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T19:00:14Z SecondChildTAG: nickg5c Everything you have said is as reasonable as anything I have said simply based on a reading of the text. I guess the bottom line is what SophiaCoro says: "This is now what I am learning slowly and it is taking me time to think it through …to go from literal understanding to a deeper understanding of concepts and the culture of the time, such as epic and lyric, lament, honor, hero, ‘philos’..." SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1117342 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jack1946 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T21:38:27Z SecondChildTAG: [Alumni Facilitator] It is a good question! My impression is that the key lies in this part of the answer explanation: "Because the performance of Achilles is reported by Homeric poetry, it is automatically a public act and cannot be a private act. Homeric poetry, as a performance medium in its own right, is a public act. Anything reported by Homeric performance becomes public, because Homeric performance is by nature public." In other words, it seems at least to me you were not "missing" something in your close reading of the passage -- it was just "public" because it occurs in the context of the Iliad, and that was what the question was getting at. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1496617 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ElizT SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T02:12:40Z SecondChildTAG: I still have a tough time considering it was a public act, when he's in a tent alone with Patroklos & immediately stops when he sees the others. It was meant to be private or else he could've just continued singing. It seemed to me to be a very private act. He's Achilles after all, and we've read many lines of his dialogues. With his mother, with Agamemnon, etc., etc. Achilles speaks. The one thing we don't have is what he was actually singing, other than the "glories of men." Most of this course deals with the "glories of men" ... but when Achilles sings it, the Iliad is very silent. Who is he singing about? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 916354 SecondChildUserNameTAG: wcoventry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T04:31:21Z SecondChildTAG: Maybe I oversimplified, and got the answer right for the wrong reasons? I saw it as a public act because it is a part of the Iliad, and all parts of the Iiad are public, meant for the spectators, listeners, and later - readers. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1423155 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Elsebeth SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T11:03:09Z SecondChildTAG: The basic idea of this course is to help us learn things. Our normal interpretation of texts is insufficient in this specific field, and our mistaken answers - most especially ones that we have pondered and carefully chosen to be right - are steps in learning a new perspective. I was initially dismayed and irritated by my mistakes, but now take a more positive approach. My question, like yours, was: how in the world were we supposed to know that from the information given? The answer is, we couldn't! But getting an answer wrong makes us focus our attention on the information we are supposed to absorb. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T11:17:07Z SecondChildTAG: The question, as I now understand it and which I did not answer correctly, was not "What does Achilles think he is doing", but "What role do Achilles actions play in the master narration of the Iliad". It seems to be as important to read the question closely as it is to read the text. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T21:48:33Z SecondChildTAG: I felt a bit like wcoventry about the song being public. What I agree with easily is that the song is also meant for the audience of the epic. I would not have guessed that this song was performed in *relay* either. But that gave me the idea that this isn't just a song to kill time, it's a form of *discussion* between Achilles and Patroklus. Achilles might sing of all the heroic deeds the Myrmidons have already achieved to comfort Patroklus who doesn't want to leave, but who wouldn't openly oppose his friend and superior. Apparently singing klea andron has quite the opposite effect on Patroklus who will rather die trying to break Troy's wall on his own than return home grudgingly. That would give this song a pivotal function in the tragedy to unfold. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 171100 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Oliver_Schafeld SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T08:17:04Z SecondChildTAG: I found this one puzzling too. Isn't it also more or less **private** because a) Achilles and Patroklos are alone and b) lyric tends to treat more private, intimate subject matter, and perhaps even because c) we don't *really* know what Achilles was singing (other than the general topic)--despite Prof. Nagy's inferences into the topic of A's song. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222438 SecondChildUserNameTAG: TheresaF SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T17:44:16Z SecondChildTAG: Once again, I think that the phrasing of the question is misleading, but even if the question had framed the context more clearly, I think that the "right" answer is confused on the role of the narrator. Note that we are never given direct or indirect access to the actual song that Achilles was singing, except that it was about the *kleon andron*. Was this song specific to a specific story and hero, or was it a more general (lyric) explication of the concept of honor/glory? If the song were quoted directly, or even summarized, then it might be correct to say that in the **larger sense of the text as a whole** Achilles is "performing" for an audience (via the Master Narrator). But he's not. As an analogy for this problem, think of the sentence from Charlotte Bronte's *Jane Eyre*: "Reader, I married him." In that case, the narrator (Jane Eyre) is directly addressing the presumed reader of the text. Jane Eyre would still be addressing the "reader" if she simply said, "I married him." But if a third-person Narrator said, "Jane married him," then Jane herself is clearly NOT addressing the reader. To get back to *The Iliad*, Achilles addresses his song to no one but Patroklos, and the audience does not hear the song itself. This is quite different from micronarratives within the macronarrative that we see elsewhere. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T18:12:48Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Don, Have you considered (and here, I'm just speculating), that part of the focus of the Narrative might be that Patroklos did not get a chance to perform his song? As the alter-ego of Achilles, he, too would be cut off, and this could be a foreshadowing of his demise. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T23:38:55Z SecondChildTAG: That makes a great deal of sense. Then again, if I'm not "reading in" too much, the practice of soldiers passing time by singing in their tents or campsites, in person or with others, seems to be a fairly time-honored tradition. No radio, no iPods, no books or comic books to pass the time--what else would one do when not in battle or on other missions? That possibility, of course, in no way contradicts any of the other possible textual functions of this scene. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T13:57:00Z FirstChildTAG: In Question 4 of the Close Reading Exercise, Hour 3, I selected the option: “Kleopatra’s second name is Alcyone because — the penthos or ‘grief’ of the songbird known as the halcyon reminded the mother of Kleopatra about her own grief when she was abducted by Apollo.” My selection was found wrong, because: “In oral poetry (and I argue that oral poetry is the foundation of Homeric poetry), the names of characters interact with the plots of the stories in which these characters exist. So the motivation of a name by the action of the plot of a story does not have to follow the chronology of a “real life.” That is why the least successful answer is this: “the penthos or ‘grief’ of the songbird known as the halcyon reminded the mother of Kleopatra about her own grief when she was abducted by Apollo.” The wording “reminded” here implies that the naming of Kleopatra was conditioned only by the past story about her mother and not by the present story about her lamenting the fate of the city of Calydon if Meleagros sits it out and fails to help his people when they are in danger of mass destruction. Since the public sorrow of this kind of mass destruction is traditionally lamented by halcyons, the name Alcyone is just as appropriate to the present story as it is to the past story about the private sorrow of the mother of Kleopatra when she was abducted by Apollo.” Regarding to this, I have the following questions: a) What is the scientific value of the statement “In oral poetry…the names of characters interact with the plots of the stories in which these characters exist”? is it a theory? Is it a law? b) Why Homer is not aware of the conclusion of the precedent statement: “So the motivation of a name by the action of the plot of a story does not have to follow the chronology of a “real life.”? In fact Homer says: “She [= Kleopatra] had been given a special name by the father and by the queen mother back then [when she was growing up] in the palace. They called her Alcyone, making that a second name for her, because her mother [= Marpessa] was feeling the same pain [oitos] felt by the halcyon bird, known for her many sorrows [penthos]. She [= Marpessa] was crying because she had been seized and carried away by the one who has far-reaching power, Phoebus Apollo.” So, the second name given to Kleopatra by her parents when she was a child has nothing to do (In Homer´s mind, as far as I see) with the later besiege of Calydon nor the fears felt then by Kleopatra. Thanks a lot for your answers. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1027226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nazareo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T05:55:26Z SecondChildTAG: This is still another case where a contextual framing of the question would help. Once again, the "correct" answer assumes a particular approach to **the text as a whole**, while the actual causal rationale for the name is cited **within the text**. It's rather like saying that even though the main character of Dickens' *Great Expectations* gives a purely plausible reason for his name, "Pip," due to his childhood inability to pronounce "Philip," the only "right" reason for his name would be because Dickens a) liked the sound of it and b) wanted to suggest that the young character was a seed (as in "apple pip") awaiting growth to maturity. Neither answer is necessarily wrong--it depends on what the question is seeking to find out. But I think there's even another level below all this--to what extent can we presume that any meaning beyond that stated in the text itself is "intentional"? It has been a truism of formalist criticism for half a century that a text reveals its own "intentions." But even the most hard-core formalists still have to fall back on some contextual knowledge. I think that Prof. Nagy does a good job in explaining or providing references for such contexts in most cases, but at other times I have to wonder if he is not overreaching and "reading into" the text. For example, his assertion that Andromache's unbinding her hair in grief makes her more sexually desirable looks to me like a modern "reading into" the scene, when taken in light of how women (and men) in other cultures express grief visually (the biblical "sackcloth and ashes" comes to mind). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T14:12:40Z SecondChildTAG: I 'll try to answer your questions Nazareo, but I am not staff, I am only one of your classmates. a) In oral poetry the names of the characters interact with the plot. I think that this is an observation or a conclusion, not a theory or a law. Let 's say that names in oral poetry give us a premonition, a notice or an understanding of what happened, of what is happening, or of what is going to happen. Time in oral poetry is not like a straight line. b) Homer tells us why her parents called her Alkyon but later he also tells us that she really was an Halkyon bird (metaphorically) because when the time came she also felt grief and she sung a song of lament. So in a way by her name, we had a notice (warning) that Alkyon would be the appropriate name for her and that she would have grief in her life too. I think that the question just wanted to teach us that names are important to understand the whole plot. I make mistakes too, one can't understand everything. Poetry is different from science and it's different from philosophy too. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T15:18:05Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, I totally agree. The names are chosen in order to be in a continuous interaction with the plot. In some way they are chosen in order to reflect the main story of each hero. As for the choice of the second name (Alcyone) i think that it refers not only to the past of Kleopatra's mother but also to the time when she is married with Meleagros and their city is under attack. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1151803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: konstantinakiari SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T06:58:35Z FirstChildTAG: ORAL POETICS IN A SONG CULTURE I 'll sing a song for you. It's a wedding song (a hymen). I decided to sing it, so that you will understand what oral poetics and song culture mean. I have heard this wedding song many times from the time I was a child. When I grew up I could use this song as a base, but I could change the lyrics(verses) to make it appropriate for different weddings of friends. Normally, I would include the name of the bride or the groom in the song. I wanted this version in English, to be a souvenir from Greece especially for our e-class. Wedding songs glorify the beauty and the joy of life. I was inspired by what we learned in hour four, and I used this knowledge in the song. The meter is the ancient iambus, the verses are of the traditional 15-syllabus form and the music (when it is sung) is of a traditional folk wedding song. Remember that in this kind of songs, music and verses are very simple, so that all relatives and friends can participate easily and everyone can take his turn and sing. TODAY THE SUN IS SHINING Today the sun is shining, today the day is glowing. Today an eagle from the sky, will marry a white pigeon. Beautiful bride kiss again, your father and your mother. Say farewell to childhood, you are a princess now. Your prince is waiting on his horse to take you on a journey, a lifetime journey, to find love and joy. The groom is like brave Achilles, the bride looks like a goddess, a nymph who left the sacred woods, a rose, a virgin lily. Son always love your pretty wife, don't ever make her cry. She 'll bloom to be a lemon tree, kissed by the sun of summer. She 'll give you sons and daughters to fill your house with joy, for Love can make miracles, for Love can make wonders. I promise to sing it and put it on you tube when I find time. So you 'll see in practice how oral poetics work and what a song culture means. When I sing it, I will post the address. If I have mistakes that can be corrected, please correct me. I think in Greek and I translate in English, in iambic meter and this is difficult for me. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T12:44:04Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Euthymia, it's beautiful. I'm looking forward to hear you sing it! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1423155 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Elsebeth SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T13:17:45Z SecondChildTAG: Wonderful. Thank you, Euthymia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T15:37:24Z SecondChildTAG: Ευθυμία, that is excellent! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 794169 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ChristosMoiss SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T18:07:05Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for the beautiful lyrics Euthymia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T19:33:42Z SecondChildTAG: Lovely. Let us know when you post it on you tube. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1117342 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jack1946 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T20:30:35Z SecondChildTAG: Very beautiful ... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T11:36:25Z SecondChildTAG: Beautiful, Euthymaia, thank you so much. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T11:57:06Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Dominique! Sorry for misunderstanding your name. When you hear the rhythm, you 'll see how easy it is to find verses for it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T12:43:31Z SecondChildTAG: I'll sing it to myself - though definitely not on YouTube :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T12:53:26Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique, I 've talked and in a way I 've met many people in this course. We don't know each other well, but some of you became "near and dear" to me, although I cannot use the word φίλοι(friends) because friendship needs time and testing. So I really enjoyed singing for you. In the bottom of the page there is a new post about oral poetics and song making. The address where I sung the song in you tube is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxrFxGwhJy4 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T17:20:29Z SecondChildTAG: Marvellous. Thank you again. And yes, there is a wonderful energy sweeping through this course, a warm-hearted, open and trusting spirit flies among us. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T19:27:56Z FirstChildTAG: Here is something that really caught my attention... Reading Hour 3 / Text d, Andromache says: *"|421 I had seven brothers in my father’s house, |422 but on the same day they all went down into the house of Hādēs."* Seven (7) is not just a meaningless number. It is a symbol and as a numeric symbol it carries a symbolism... an esoteric meaning that can be found to all ancient religions, various cultures and traditions and is quite common to Pythagoreans, to Cabalists and Gnostics - among others. An interpretation of 7 gives us a meaning of perfection (Pythagoras)... Often is found in combination with number 2, which results number 9 (9 means fullness or completion)! Now, I have this question... why Homer is "using" "perfection" regarding Andromache's background? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 794169 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ChristosMoiss FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T19:12:10Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to all of you. I found this beautiful scene of Andromache's and Hector's farewell and I think that is very moving. The sound isn't very good but we are all familiar with the text. I think that the kids give us a lot of inspiration, and I wanted to share. Your fellow Pelopsian Euthumia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGYdiIBCnMs FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T18:20:50Z SecondChildTAG: Amazing, thank you Euthymia. (I am less impressed with the loud audience and sparse applause. How indifferent can people be?) Since we are in different cohorts, I think, I hope you won't mind my posting here a modern lament that I already used in *Briseis*: "Turbulent" is a short film by the Iranian exiled artist Shirin Neshat, creating through two justaposed laments a powerful musical metaphor for the complexity of present gender roles and cultural power, using the framework of ancient Persian music and poetry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCAssCuOGls I think this will perhaps move you. ![Turbulent][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13659293581343696.jpg SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T08:50:33Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Dominique. How selfish of me to think only of my people's problems and forget the suffering all around the world. Thank you for reminding me that, with this beautiful lament. She is a Halkyon bird, isn't she? And she is exiled, away from her homeland, of her family perhaps. In my little world, of a big traditional family of Mani, men reign but we women, reign in their hearts. The position of women of Mani was always very good, even centuries ago.Maniates believe that they are descendents of ancient Spartans so women of Mani were, and still are very much respected. My grand mother who is 99 now, lamented very beautifully and one of her daughters can sing songs of lament too. If I don't continue this tradition it will be lost for my family and it's a very ancient one. My grandmother also wrote a poem for my wedding, although she was sent to elementary school only for three classes and she gave it to me as a wedding present,the best present I got, for her love and her blessing was in it. Have a beautiful week! Your fellow student Euthymia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T18:10:19Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for sharing all this, Euthymia. You will probably find it trivial, but an extra reasin to be moved by these thoughts is the name "Mani", which is close to my heart. This was the name of my beloved grandmother, a very gentle and kind soul, may she rest in peace. And it is the name of my wonderful theatre teacher, who became a friend and a lifelong mentor. She is 85 now, still strong-going in spite of many tragedies, and probably the person I trust most, after my mother... So long, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T19:58:05Z SecondChildTAG: hello Euthymia, just wanted to give a feed on your name/id; i believe there was a discussion on this on another thread.As doctors we use this term to describe the mood of a patient: Euthymia is a word used for indicating a normal non-depressed, reasonably positive mood. It is distinguished from euphoria, which refers to an extreme of happiness, and dysthymia, which refers to a depressed mood. It is a term used frequently in mental status exams. Euthymia was used in ancient philosophy by Democritus as one of the root aspects of human life's goal as a necessary part of human Weltanschauung. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1019589 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nitrous SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T22:47:45Z SecondChildTAG: These are both such powerful clips...I am stunned. Thank you both, Dominique and Euthymia, for posting. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T00:13:14Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique, how come and your grandmother's and your teacher's name was Mani? Was any of them Greek? Was any of their ancestors from Mani? Hello Nitrous, yes my name has also this meaning, and Ploutarhos (46-119AC) wrote a book "περί Ευθυμίας" (for Euthumia) with instructions for the peace of mind and soul. About the spelling of my name in English, I 'm not sure, I 've seen it written Euthymia or Euthumia. All of you, my classmates, have names, but I don't know them and it's difficult for me to think of you, when you have a name like nitrous for example. When I know the name of a human being, I can think of a person, a face, a soul. The first names are very important for true communication. I don't like to call you Nitrous. Of course this is a matter of free will, so I can call you Nitrous, if you want me too. Hi, Hapgai. This is such an excellent course! It gives us the opportunity to think about life in the past and today and to communicate with each other and exchange ideas and feelings. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T06:54:42Z SecondChildTAG: Well Euthymia, my first name is Aditya, which one of many Hindi names for the sun. regards. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1019589 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nitrous SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T08:29:20Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Euthymia, I have no idea why we called my grandmother "Mani", except that it was her personal wish (rather than "Grandmaman" or "Mammie", which is quite usual in French). As for my mentor Monique Mani, this is her family name. I don't know where it comes from. She does look very beautifully Mediterranean, as you can see from this recent pic: ![Mani][1] She is a great actress and has performed heart-wrenching laments on stage (including Hecuba) and, I am sad to say, in real life, following the tragic death of her 20 year old son many years ago. [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13660145491343629.jpg SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T08:38:46Z SecondChildTAG: Aditya, you have a beautiful name, which has many meanings for us Greeks metaphorically. Thank you for telling me. your fellow student Euthumia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T11:17:07Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique, she is very beautiful indeed. Please tell her from me, that her surname is the name of a Greek region in Peloponnese, where very brave people live and that there is a living tradition of songs of lament in Mani. I think that you are a spiritual son to her, so she isn't alone. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T11:26:14Z SecondChildTAG: Well, I hope I am, if anything, her spiritual daughter, since I am a woman (Dominique can be a girl's or a boy's name in French.) :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T13:09:17Z SecondChildTAG: Another fascinating thread. Here's a question, and perhaps an absurd one, I'm not sure. Can anyone today claim ancestry from any of the characters in the Iliad? I understand that most are descended from gods. But Emperor Akihito of Japan is descended from Amaterasu, a goddess. When a person of Greek/Turkish blood, etc, reads the catalog of ships, does s/he think, that's my great-great-great- (and so on) grandfather/mother? Or do they identify with the characers through location? For example, how do readers from Krete relate to Idomeneus? Or readers from Argos to Agamemnon? Genghis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T15:25:06Z SecondChildTAG: I think, genetically speaking, we would be surprised to learn how many of us around the world are actually cousins... I wonder whom I would like as an ancestor? Andromache and Hector, I suppose. Unfortunately, Astyanax was murdered on Odysseus's order, so there is litle chance. By the way, your name reminds me of a 2003 genetic analysis that identified a Y-chromosome lineage and determined that 0.5% of the males of our planet (and 8% in larger Asia) are descended from the great Khan! But frankly, my feeling of kinship and belonging comes not from genetics but from the "unwilting kleos": I am extremely moved and inspired by the fact that the Iliad, among other stories, was performed and read on and on throughout the centuries, right down to us, who are giving life again to Achilles and his companions. The growing understanding that we exist through our stories and those of everyone that ever lived is one of the exhilarating effects of theis course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T17:26:00Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Dominique. It makes me think of Abraham in Genesis. [We have his family tree][1]. And he, _somewhat_ like Achilles, was promised everlasting life: when Abraham proves to God that he is willing to give up his son, Isaac, God says to him, "... because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in this blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying _I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore_...". Of course, the difference is that we have Achilles, unwilted, _preserved in time_. We have Abraham through his seed, _across time_. Genghis [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham%27s_family_tree#Family_tree SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T15:21:32Z SecondChildTAG: Genghis, Greeks, as an ancient nation, also "remember" the Great Deluge. There is a story about the ark in greek mythology too. Is mythology a vague memory of a nation? I don't know. I think that other ancient civilizations of South America also "remember" the Deluge. See this address: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrha SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T18:59:22Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Genghis and Euthymia, yes Abraham makes an alliance with God and receives a family tree. I must confess that I have difficulties with the near sacrifice of Isaac. It is one of the Bible episodes that is very hard to read "out of", and I must very much restrain myself not to reject this father outright. But at least the ancient Abraham obeys God's angel and sacrifices the ram instead (not that I particularly like that either! But OK...). The great WWI poet Wilfred Owen thought that humanity had corrupted that myth in 1914-1918, so he wrote another version, where the modern Abraham disobeys and kills his son after all - a symbol of all the fathers who sent their sons to be butchered in the fields of Verdun, the Marne and the Somme: > So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went, And took the fire with him, and a knife. And as they sojourned both of them together, Isaac the first-born spake and said, My Father, Behold the preparations, fire and iron, But where the lamb for this burnt-offering? Then Abram bound the youth with belts and straps, And builded parapets and trenched there, And streched forth the knife to slay his son. When lo! and angel called him out of heaven, Saying, Lay not thy hand upon the lad, Neither do anything to him. Behold, A ram, caught in a thicket by its horns; Offer the Ram of Pride instead of him. But the old man would not so, but slew his son, - And half the seed of Europe, one by one. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T19:24:37Z SecondChildTAG: Powerful, Dominique, thank you. I saw that you were listing WWI films on another post. Some of my favorites are _The Big Parade_, _All Quiet on the Western Front_, and _A Very Long Engagement_. The opening scene of _Long Engagement_ is incredible: it's raining in a what appears to be an abandoned and uninhabitable trench. Then the camera pans to a small flame flickering in a lantern and you realize that people are actually living there in those unspeakable conditions. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T02:07:24Z SecondChildTAG: I must find the DVD! Thanks for the recommandation. WWI has been on my mind several times since the start of the course. For example, when thinking about fate and free will, an issue discussed in several threads. How come the soldiers didn't just stop fighting? Why did they obey commands telling them to attack a hill that was held by an enemy who was armed with deadly automatic weapons and could mow them down en masse (such attacks typically resulted in 10'000 casualties in a couple of hours)? They knew it was suicide but went all the same. What is free will against huge social-cultural-political pressure? In Winter 1914, though, war could have stopped, when all along the frontline in Flanders, French, German and British soldiers lay down their arms and fraternized during the famous **"Christmas Truce"**, here described by surviving eyewitness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p05E_ohaQGk. Sometimes it lasted just two days but in some insances it was several weeks and the officers despaired at getting their men back to fighting. There were excutions. Later, this was no longer possible, not only because fraternisation was punished by death, but because the nature of the war entirely changed: new weaponry - nerve gas, tanks, etc. - and the unspeakable conditions of fighting produced such hate and fear that the old codes of respect and gentlemanly behaviour so brilliantly described by Jean Renoir in *"The Grand Illusion"* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVSQ4XlQFH4) no longer applied. Another reason for thnking of WWI in connection with our Greek heroes is the beginning of the war, triggered in both cases by a trivial incident and the seemingly untroppable mecanism of military alliances. No hate involved, no absolute necessity (unlike in WWII), leading both in Troy and in the French fields to years of brutal warfare, annihilation and devastation. I'm repeating myself a little here: my apologies to those who read these same thoughts in another thread. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T05:19:52Z FirstChildTAG: ORAL POETICS-A WEDDING SONG The 15-syllabus verse is consisted of two half verses of eight and seven syllabus. When the meter is iambic the first syllable hasn't a tone and the second has one: u_u_u_, u_u_u_u to-DAYthe SUN is SHI ning, to-DAY-the-DAY is GLOW-ing No rhyme is needed, only the meter is important. to-Day-an EA-gle-FROM- the SKY, will-Ma-rrya WHI te PI-geon In English, it isn't so easy as in Greek but you will hear and understand. Did my grandmother know what I wrote above? Of course not. She just let the music enter her heart, and her mind united with the heart put words to music. In a wedding normally a person says one of the usually used verses and the others as a chorus repeat it. Today the sun, today the sun is shining,/ today the day is glowing, today the day is glowing. All: Today the sun, today the sun is shining,/today the day is glowing, today the day is glowing. So there is some time to think something special for the occasion and sing it when the first person finished what he/she wanted to sing. Of course the others will repeat your verse (which will give you time to think another one), and there are always standard verses to give you time to think more. Then another person will take turn. It's pure democracy in song-making. That's why these songs are called demotika (demos=people) and there are no spiritual rights because the song belongs to the people. The music is some centuries old (musician unknown). I don't know if the songs (epics) that preceded Homeric Iliad, were created this way. So if you want to try to see how it is, let the music enter your heart and then let the mind united with the heart put words to music. Think, how is the bride, her eyes, her smile, her hair. How is her garden perhaps, or how she cooks. Think about the honeymoon, or about the groom. Anything. Sing your verses to check the meter. Change a word with another one if it doesn't fit. Create one or two verses for a beginning. This is exactly how someone begins. Remember that poetry is a sacred task (it should be), even simple poetry created by common people. I always pray for inspiration. The address where I sing the song on you tube is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxrFxGwhJy4 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T17:05:11Z SecondChildTAG: Oh, I was so tired after work. I made a mistake in the meter. Iambic 15-syllabus is: u_u_u_u_(8),u_u_u_u(7) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T17:51:49Z SecondChildTAG: thank you Euthumia; for the beautiful rendition. Your effort is an example of what makes this course all the more invigorating. Regards Aditya. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1019589 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nitrous SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T20:54:17Z SecondChildTAG: That was lovely. You have added so much to this class. thank you very much. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T21:18:06Z SecondChildTAG: Wow! Wonderful, Euthymia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T22:57:01Z SecondChildTAG: I must join this chorus of grateful admirers:-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T07:10:58Z SecondChildTAG: I've just listened and am very moved. Thank you so much, Euthymia, for sharing this wedding song with us. Achilles lives on! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T07:14:55Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you all. I am happy you liked it. In this address you will find another traditional demotico song that can be sung in weddings. It is sung by a proffessional singer. There is a translation. This is lyric poetry. A few verses include subjects larger than life. Think of those uknown illiterate people of an uknown greek village who created this song. A few verse are enough to say how love can transform the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqMTx8O05Q SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T10:36:00Z SecondChildTAG: Do distinguish between illiterate and preliterate ... there is a meaningful distinction. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T14:07:21Z SecondChildTAG: En effet... :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T14:23:12Z SecondChildTAG: Lovely! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 891317 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Annettehendley SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T15:58:31Z SecondChildTAG: So nice!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1151803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: konstantinakiari SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T17:56:45Z FirstChildTAG: Claudia, I have not been assigned a group and am inquiring where I should respond to the discussion at the end of the Close Reading exercise for Hour 3? Thank You! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1519313 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maybe FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T16:12:10Z IndexTAG: 5 TitleTAG: [From Staff] Discussion of Hour 1 Question Set In an effort to promote learning and interaction around the assessments, we are creating a thread for each question set and close reading exercise. **Please use this thread to discuss the Question Set from Hour 1.** The purpose of this thread is to generate further intellectual community among our members and to promote discussion of content. If you have technical issues with a question set or close reading exercise set, please post those concerns in the general Discussion. Leonard Muellner, Chair of the Board of Readers Claudia Filos, Editor of Content and Social Media UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T01:17:58Z VoteTAG:6 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: I didn't like the first question in the first week trying to trick us. Why ask who gets angry?; Achilles, Agamemnon or neither. Why not say Achilles, Agamemnon or Apollo. I didn't even consider Apollo because my interpretation of the answer 'neither of them' was that neither of them got angry at all, when the answer really meant neither of them got angry FIRST FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1064615 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bkilby FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T01:19:48Z SecondChildTAG: That type of question teaches me stuff, so I like it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 996542 SecondChildUserNameTAG: WestonBecker SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T00:09:04Z SecondChildTAG: I agree. It reminds us that the story is so much more than the conflicts of mortal men but also that of the gods', and the consequences of each. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 476111 SecondChildUserNameTAG: adpacres SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T20:43:49Z SecondChildTAG: It would help if the question gave a context. "Who gets angry first" could clarify the issue. Even that context could be clouded, though, since the reason that the Achaeans have been at Troy for nine years in the first place is their anger (and specifically that of Menelaos) for the theft of Helen by Paris. But even in the opening lines, it is Chrsyes who appeals to Apollo because the Achaeans refused to return his daughter to him--so perhaps he really was first! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T21:54:55Z SecondChildTAG: I agree that a little more context for this question would have been helpful. "First" is an ambiguous word, as it could be referring to the first mention of being angry, the first in the plot timeline to become angry, or the first in Scroll I's lines to get angry. Each of these senses of "first" would provide a different answer to the question. Also we have two words with different meanings that get translated as "anger" in English: *menis* and *kholos*. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935479 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T05:21:11Z FirstChildTAG: In the hour 1 was a little difficult to me, because I never read the Iliad before and some of the terms that were used were confuse to me. But with the discussion of the Professor Gregory with Claudia and Muellner I understand better. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 967254 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sanchez04 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T23:23:51Z FirstChildTAG: The answer to the first question does not seem plausible to me. Let me quote the source book with the following: both the objective description of Agamemnon Atreides, that is, "Agamemnon, son of Atreus who spoke fiercely to him and sent him roughly away", and his lines, that is, "so go, and do not provoke me or it shall be the worse for you". Note the words, "fiercely", "roughly", and the verbal threat that ensues, clearly demonstrates an Agamemnon mad at Khrysēs the priest just as a despot mad at some subject of his, in particular prophets, that dares to question monarchical authority. And this "angry Agamemnon" precedes Khrysēs' pleading to his patron god, which precedes the wrathful plague that struck the Achaeans. And on the third question, let me quote Athena in her own words, "bid you stay your anger", "do not draw your sword", and "rail at him if you will", which asks for abstention from escalating the conflict on Achilles' part, which is passive counsel, with "railing" as the only active counsel. As a result, Athena was lecturing not on Achilles' participation in the war, but on the his personal relation with Agamemnon, and thus her counsel does not have any effect as on whether Achilles would drop out of the war, or not. If any gave a "close enough" advice that had such impact on Achilles, it would have to be Thetis, mother of Achilles, whose lines include "stay where you are with your ships, nurse your anger against the Achaeans, and hold aloof from fight". However, this advice is preceded by lines of Achilles himself, as in "if ever again there be need of me to save the people from ruin, they shall seek and they shall not find". Hence, abstention from participation in the war is an independent decision by Achilles himself, and thus has nothing to do with third-party counsel. (Greek transliteration omitted in all quotations) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1567651 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hypatius FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T08:46:20Z SecondChildTAG: I'm rereading using the Latimore translation. It has just enough different emphasis in that passage that I might have thought that Athena advised him to stay out. I admit that I can't see it in the source book version at all. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T14:40:01Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Priscilla, My response below might be relevant here. Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T20:24:49Z SecondChildTAG: Apollo was the first one who was angry because Agamemnon dishonored the priest. Then Apollo sent disease to the Agamemnon's warriors which ultimately made Agamemnon to give back his war prize (Kryseis) which made Agamemnon angry. So, Agamemnon was the second who became angry. Then Agamemnon took the war prize (Briseis) from Achilles which made Achilles angry. The result of Achilles' anger was that he restrained from further fighting in the war for Agamemnon. So, there was a patern of "angers" (Apollo - Agamemnon - Achilles). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sunbrella SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T22:11:02Z SecondChildTAG: First, there is the word "provoke" in Agamemnon's threat against the priest, from which we can conclude that Agamemnon had been already provoked when he made the threat, or he would not say "do not provoke me", which coheres with "fiercely" and "roughly". Second, does the anger/angry here have to be the menis-typed anger, one thar comes with it disastrous consequences? Or just the usual anger/angry? If it is the former, can I ask that we have our question set in three versions, one in classical Greek, one in Alexandrian Greek, and the other in modern English, so that this would not confuse? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1567651 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hypatius SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T03:16:00Z FirstChildTAG: *I am reposting this question in order to move to the appropriate thread:* My response follows, Hal R Originally: *This post visible only to Group Meleagros.* Titled: **Question 3** errequeerre about 4 hours ago Hi, I'm sure that the people who designed the test knew what they were doing, but I'd like to understand why I got this answer wrong, and the original source is not helping me. What Athena says to Achilles is that he should not engage in a fight with Agamemnon, especially now where Achilles is ready to take out is sword, because the future will take care of the revenge he seeks now: [205] ..."I come from the sky, if you will hear me, to bid you stay your anger [menos]. Hera has sent me, who cares for both of you alike. [210] Cease, then, this quarreling, and do not draw your sword; rail at him if you will, with words, and your railing will not be vain, for I tell you – and it shall surely be – that you shall hereafter receive gifts three times as splendid by reason of this present outrage [hubris]. Hold, therefore, and obey." [215] "Goddess," answered swift Achilles, the great runner, "whatever anger [kholos] a man may have, he must do as you two command him. This will be best, for the gods ever hear the prayers of him who has obeyed them." Achilles follows her advice and it is him who says that he will not raise his sword to defend Agamemnon's cause ([240]) So, I gave as an answer that he was angry at Agamemnon - though I also thought that answering that his feelings were hurt was perfectly possible. Can anybody enlighten me here? Th:-)nks FirstChildUserIdTAG: 475967 FirstChildUserNameTAG: hriggs FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T20:20:45Z SecondChildTAG: Hi errequeerre, Like you, that is the answer I gave, and at first I too had trouble understanding how this could be not be the best answer. And that is one key: many of the answers get at part of what is going on and we have to discover not just a correct answer but the best answer. What is the best answer? To get at this you need to adopt the right point of view. Here is how I do it. When you first start reading the Iliad you read it like any other book: you read and experience a fictional story. But this is not right point of view. First, imagine that the Iliad is not a book at all, but a performance being given in ancient Greece, and imagine that the characters and gods are real: think from inside that world. Now the Iliad itself, the performance, is just the tip of the iceberg: hidden behind it is a system of epic meaning that was a shared reality between the performing poet and the people who were reliving the events he evokes. My understanding of what is going on is that we are trying to see through the text to this hidden shared world. So close reading is not just looking at the immediate text, but trying to see the immediate text also in this larger context. Prof. Nagy's method is to look at the diction, the key words, as the primary clues to this system of shared meaning. So here is how I understand the specific situation you are concerned with. Achilles is at a crucial point when he is thinking of killing Agamemnon. He is of two minds. He knows he cannot follow Agamemnon. He is angry, yes. (This is what you get from the immediate text.) But look at (part of) what Athena says: > do not draw your sword; *rail at him $\ldots$ with words and > your railing will not be in vain. What is she telling him here? Let's look at what words Achilles then says to Agamemnon (note the emphasis Achilles puts on this summation his railing): > So here is what I say, and I say it most solemnly: the day will come when there will be a longing for Achilles, and it will overcome the sons of the Achaeans, overcome them all. that is the time when many will be killed at the hands of Hector the man-killer (they will feel) angry about the fact that (they) have not at all honored the best of the Achaeans. This prophecy clearly refers to the whole plot of the Iliad. So Achilles understands the the choice he is making at Athena's prompting as choosing to (not follow Agamemnon and) wait for these events to occur. Achilles anger powers his choice. Athena prompts him on which choice to make. Athena is saying implicitly: wait Achilles, this is not the right way, not the right time, wait and follow the other path in your heart. In this way you can make sense of the immediate causal flow of emotion and the connection to the big picture. The poet's listeners would be experiencing this emotion and knowing the whole story already would know what Athena was advising. By the way, some have refered to the fact that later Thetis much more explicitly tells Achilles to sit out the war until Zeus comes back from the far east (Aithiopia was in the far east where the sun rose). But this is just a confirmation of the much more important decision that has already been made by Zeus, Athena, and Achilles in this curious mix of divine-human causation. It is important to remember that we are try to understand a culture that is completely other in many ways from our own modern culture. As you can see, these questions are not your ordinary multiple choice questions. They are designed so that you must engage fully with the text and the epic world which produced it. Heed the words of Nietzche: this is a slow process which requires patience. Cheers, Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T20:22:52Z SecondChildTAG: Good job, Hal. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T22:02:35Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Hal. I personally enjoy in the overall process of close reading but from now on I will also keep my eye on your future comments :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sunbrella SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T22:37:45Z SecondChildTAG: An interesting interpretation of the text--and the question. But note that this whole process of "close reading" and paying attention to the exact words of the text calls on a procedure that would still be different from the process of hearing *The Iliad* recited--like the difference between reading Shakespeare and seeing a production of Shakespeare's play. *The Iliad* should be less prone to variation because there are fewer variable elements (set design, actor's choices, etc.), but the text is still different from reading as such. And, as I understand it, most of us are dealing not only with the nuances of a text written in ancient Greek but read in translation. That original Greek text is based (again, as I understand it)on a handful of manuscripts, notably the "Venetus A" document (located in Venice), which dates only to the 10th century CE/AD. Never mind how the initial oral version(s) of the epic were finally transcribed--how sure are we that Venetus A is a genuine and authentic copy of preceding written versions now lost? When we close-read the 10th century text, can we be certain that words and lines did not change, considering the trouble that even Shakespeare's texts present us? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T01:32:03Z SecondChildTAG: Hi donl2013, Actually, I am not so sure we are paying attention to *the exact words*. What Prof. Nagy is doing is paying attention to *key words*, and seeking to reconstruct a web of epic meanings which are all supposed to fit together. Also, at one point he noted that the Iliad is "user-friendly" in the sense that it has repetitions of themes along the way to remind the listener of the big picture. In many ways an oral tradition has some built in features to preserve its essential survival, such as the uniform dactylic hexameter, as well as the repetitions. But this core may not depend on a particular phrasing. I think also, that if we are trying to understand Homer then we are in the 8th to 7th centuries of oral performance prior to the period of 5th century recitation period. About textual authenticity: The authenticity of what? The Homeric texts that existed in classical and Hellenistic times and which are lost might themselves only be witnesses to an oral tradition rather than witnesses to some original authoritative text. There are fragments of the text from earlier periods (literal fragments and quotes) that can be compared with the surviving complete manuscripts. The Iliad itself was copied and spread widely throughout the Greek world and one can construct a history of what went on (say at Alexandria) to get a sense of was happening to the texts. My amateur sense of this is that the text we have is probably a reasonable representation of what the Alexandrian scholars had. Maybe they inherited a whole mess of different document versions and made some decsions (I have no idea what scholars say on this). The same is true of other ancient documents. For example, the New Testament as a whole document is similarly relatively late survival. But there are fragments surviving from 100-125 CE which tend to confirm the basic existence and authenticity of the texts to much earlier times than the first surviving complete manuscripts. But then we could all spend lifetimes on these issues. Cheers! Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T02:28:08Z SecondChildTAG: Agree with you Hal R. First, we don't even know which version Homer wrote (if any). We can probably assume that the poets reciting the Iliad would play to the local audience (Like touring rock stars telling that day's concert's fans they are the best audience ever). And even what was written/copied in Alexandria prior to the Venetus document could reflect a later taste for the plot/action/re-interpretation of the past. (Remember Virgil's Aeneid was commissioned so Rome's founding myth could link up with Troy). Let's enjoy the marvelous text that we have! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1375995 SecondChildUserNameTAG: antoniosanz SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T17:57:32Z FirstChildTAG: I'm starting, in this course, my first reading of the Iliad (and very happy with what I´m learning). On the issue of free will in opposition to the will of gods, I think we should always bear in mind that the poem we´re reading was recited and listened and the ancient greek theaters, not only as a form of casual entertainment, not even as a high and noble fun. To the ancient Greeks, the Iliad was true, was history! What they heard were examples of his heroes to life, and dictated standards of conduct, noble aspirations. That said, what we expected people to understand, to learn? "Look, the gods can greatly influence your life, but you´re the one who has the key to the main result, to the completion of your highest ambitions. Even if things don´t come out the way you hoped, not even the most powerful of the Olympians gods, can stop you from trying. And, in the end, it all goes into a kind of greater good, something that maybe not even gods waited to happen, but still, a cosmic result, an epic and glorious end. If you give everything of yourself, give yourself over. If you win yourself." FirstChildUserIdTAG: 948610 FirstChildUserNameTAG: adboson FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T04:25:54Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, adboson. I'm curious, what are you quoting in your post? Cheers. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T07:55:33Z SecondChildTAG: Really look forward to putting my head to this whole way of learning and hope I can muster the will to follow through. Will it be fate or free will? One of those big questions, as in, what is the meaning of a life, or why was one of the thieves saved and the other damned, or to be or not to be? It is contending with these ineffable aspects of existence that create works of art like The Iliad. The idea of ordered chaos, which is a way of conflating fate and free will and makes them slightly easier to conceptualize, is paradoxical. Fate and free will cancel each other out yet exist simultaneously. Fate suggest there is a grand controlling force that follows a predictable course and somehow cares for us as individuals, which, giving the size and complexity of the universe is impossible to accept. In that time between birth and death there are events that have huge effects on life over which there is no control, fate, and the reverse is true, we can act impulsively and profoundly alter the course of our lives, free will. So too Achilles and in the end, like Achilles, we are human. We are born, we live for a time, we die - most of us not with a bang but a whimper. Achilles free will creates a Big Bang and in a way creates us. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1548699 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sterlyn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T04:52:34Z SecondChildTAG: I am not sure that we need to think in these terms of fate and free will. Our modern and individualistic and secular Western society privileges these terms, but this was perhaps not the case in late bronze age antiquity in the Eastern Mediterranean. We need to only read from the text, out of the poetry, and not engage our present-day concepts with such a kind of reading. What we have in the Iliad is a completely non-secular culture where kinship is more important than any idea of an individual. Does this help? Remember, Achilles' mother is a deity, for instance ... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T13:18:16Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for you answer. I will mull on it and have been. I realize this isn't the place, but - is it possible to download the source book? An 'e' version would be a boon. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1548699 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sterlyn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T17:07:06Z SecondChildTAG: Kevin - "but this was perhaps not the case in late Bronze Age antiquity" - can you expand on this? What evidence are you using as a foundation for this observation? I agree that evidence would support a notion that kinship ties defined the individual, for example, evidence found in naming practices and relationships within the deme. However, kleos, by its nature, is related to finding individual glory - it does not seem to be tied, at least not directly, to finding glory for the family. The emphasis on the hero making a personal - even individual - choice to find kleos WOULD lead one to believe that individuality and individualism were a part of this culture. However, the text CLEARLY indicates fate/destiny played some role in the hero's life - there are simply too many references to this to ignore. And yet, yes, Achilles must CHOOSE to find kleos. I do not see it as "reading into the text" to simply see in the actual text, as translated for us, evidence of destiny and choice. I think that within the text itself, destiny brought Achilles to Troy, yet his personal choice brought him kleos. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1156112 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bscott SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T11:47:23Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Kevin, I imagine that I, too, am reading into the text. But how should we process Professor's Nagy's comment (in the Hour 1 exercises) where he says, "I have come to the conclusion that heroes are free agents in making the life-and-death choices that they make..."? Genghis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T15:18:14Z FirstChildTAG: In reference to the general question suggested for discussion in Hour 1, it seems to me that your point of view is the one that deduces from the text of the Iliad. For Ancient Greeks the Fate was certainly predominant in the ruling of the universe as the ultimate cosmic force, characterized by necessity and universality: Fate is always performed, in spite of all the deviations and oppositions that could be tried to avoid its fulfillment; and it governed gods and men as well, but not in such a deterministic way as to annul their liberty and their capacity of making choices. The Fate pointed out the main purposes of lives and actions and settled their unsurmountable limits. Gods also intervened in every occassion into the lives of men, but again, human will was able of limiting their power in many cases. The intromission of the gods into the Trojan war, helping some times prehistoric Greeks and some times Trojans , looks similar to the intromission done in emergent countries by the leaders, diplomats, agents, spies, military forces and money of the United States and the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Nazareo FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1027226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nazareo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T05:15:59Z IndexTAG: 6 TitleTAG: [From Staff] Discussion of Hour 2 Close Reading Exercise In an effort to promote learning and interaction around the assessments, we are creating a thread for each question set and close reading exercise. **Please use this thread to discuss the close reading exercise from Hour 2.** The purpose of this thread is to generate further intellectual community among our members and to promote discussion of content. If you have technical issues with a question set or close reading exercise set, please post those concerns in the general Discussion. Leonard Muellner, Chair of the Board of Readers Claudia Filos, Editor of Content and Social Media UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T01:24:56Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Hello everybody! First of all, let me make a general comment about the questions. The truth is that, because I have done Greek studies, my perception of *Iliad* is a little different than the approach of this specific course. So, it is very frustrating when my answer turns to be false. The good thing is that, as the course progresses, I get the hung of it and in most cases I finally understand my mistakes. But, some times the three choices of answers are misleading. For example, let’s see *question 1* of Hour 2 Close reading exercise: “*how do you understand the meaning of the word kholos?*” We have 3 possible answers: a) a special kind of anger, with dire consequences b) any kind of anger c) either of the above If the answer “any kind of anger” is a correct answer, I find it misleading to be given another choice like “either of the above” and not the answer considered as correct: “mēnis”. There is no way I could make this connection, as mēnis is also a kind of anger. But, what makes it more complex in my opinion, is that neither mēnis is the correct answer. And I’ll explain. In Hour 3 video, Text A, “A man of constant sorrow” we watch this dialogue (I quote and I put in bold): GREGORY NAGY : [……..] “And in reaction to the lament, Meleager feels, first, sorrow instantaneously. And then there, too, the sorrow translates into a red hot anger as we see here, too. **This is not the same kind of anger that Achilles is described as having in Scroll One, Line One, Word One**, about which you have done so much research, Lenny. **That word is menis**. Do you want to say anything about the distinction between menis and kholos? LENNY MUELLNER: Well, it's just that kholos is a more generic term, I think is the best way to put it at this point, but it can have very specific meanings, also. That's on a bunch of things.” I know that this is a course that is offered to us for free. I know that many, many people have worked hard and will work hard so as to provide us with such an exciting course. And I’m thankful that I was given the opportunity to participate in it. But, that’s why I don’t understand why we should deal with this kind of tricky questions. Thank you for your time, Helen R. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T16:35:31Z SecondChildTAG: hello Helen. As I didn't get this question right, I went back to the videos and H24, trying to find if I missed something. I think that the answer might be at the very extract you are quoting, but a bit further down from the part you have highlighted. I think it might be here: "LENNY MUELLNER: Well, **it's just that kholos is a more generic term, I think is the best way to put it at this point, but it can have very specific meanings, also**. That's on a bunch of things". I also feel that I'm getting the hang of it. I don't mind the tricky questions, I actually like them a lot. I'm getting to a point were the process makes me smile. I read everything, I listen to everything, I think I'm good and ready and then I look at the questions and go "oh, dear..." :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1387715 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexandra_M SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T23:02:30Z SecondChildTAG: I agree. I wish there was a brief synopsis on why the correct answer is correct and why the other options are incorrect. On some questions, it seems as if there are two good choices that make sense. When one option is wrong, that really seems plausible, it is frustrating to not have any explanation, but rather a lovely red x. Best, Ash SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060467 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AshEB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T01:10:52Z SecondChildTAG: Ash, you can read a brief explanation if you press the "show answer" button. It is there where I saw that the ansewr is menis. And to come to what Alexandra said. First of all, thank you for your response Alexandra! The way I see it what Prof. Muellner said (that kholos "is a more generic term") is exactly the answer b = any kind of anger. Well, it doesn't really matter, as my answer was the first option, so it would have been wrong anyway. But I still don't understand the logic behind that specific question. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T07:48:42Z SecondChildTAG: In some hours the "show answer" button seems to be missing. I'll go back and double check. Thanks. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060467 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AshEB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T12:12:44Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Helen and Alexandra...Thanks for your comments, I find the discussion very useful. I have to admit that I am a bit like Helen. I have done the Iliad at school many years ago and I did get startled at the beginning of this course when I thought I had done my work but my answers to the questions were wrong! I also have to stress how much I enjoy the Harvard course approach and that I feel that the level of analysis is extermely rich and entertaining...I feel excited watching the videos and reading the texts! I would like to push the discussion about the "anger" question a little further. The question was "How is the kholos or ‘anger’ of Meleagros comparable to the kholos of Achilles?" In clicking any of the 3 possible responses we do not get an answer regarding the question. What kind of anger did Achilles have and how is Melagros’ anger comparable to Achilles’ anger? I am still not very clear. btw I find this as a general rule...the multiple choice question that follows the annotation exercise adds a new twist to the question and does not precisely provide an answer but rather an insight into the question. Is this how you feel too? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1369191 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SophiaCoro SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T13:12:16Z SecondChildTAG: I find myself also tripping over the "close reading" required of the questions. I usually miss one question in each exercise due to the symantics of the available choices. I wonder if this would be the case in a conventional classroom setting where discussion is ongoing and fluid and occurs before the quiz? It might be nice to be given the videos and reading assignments, followed by the discussion question and then, a few days later, the quiz. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 949308 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CSMBSMU SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T17:44:56Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Sophia. A fellow student, which I can't recall right now, mentioned this detail in another thread. I hadn't realize the connection between the annotation excercise and the multiple choice question until then. It is an interesting aspect but, no, it doesn't provide the answer! CSMBSMU, I can only imagine how it would be like to participate in such a classroom! Surely, it would be easier to clear up any queries. On the other hand, since this course is on-line any time you want, you don't have to hurry and answer the questions. Give yourself the time to think it through. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T18:22:33Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Helen, I agree with you that this question was made extremely tricky, because getting the correct answer depended on an very close reading of the question itself. I chose the option "a special kind of anger" because I'd read the question as meaning "how do you understand the meaning of the word kholos?"- in the context of this passage about Meleagros. Whereas the the actual question being asked was "how do you understand the meaning of the word kholos?" - in the context of all possible uses of this word. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1381492 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nickg5c SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T20:22:02Z SecondChildTAG: Hello I felt the same way, very decieving questions... But hour 3 seemed more direct and written in a clearer way. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 984170 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ximenapastor SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T02:37:03Z SecondChildTAG: Hello everyone; unless I am missing something, I'd like to add my thoughts on the subject here. I too missed the question, answering "kholos = a special kind of anger" and though I was wrong according to the test, I still believe that kholos is indeed a different kind of anger, not like the usual anger. Kholos comes from kholi (χολή)- bile / choler, how do you call it in english, so when you say you are "kholomenos" you mean to say that your anger is as bitter as kholi, which is very very bitter and this is definitely the kind of anger that drives you to take revenge for the bitterness you are feeling. It is a very dark kind of anger. I would say it is a deeper level of anger, the kind that does not get easily rectified. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T08:54:27Z SecondChildTAG: there is more to it. If Agamemnon was talking on a personal level with Achilles, then it would have been anger for the taking of Briseis etc. The fact that Agamemnon is imposing his will upon Achilles before the army makes it all so very offensive and embarrasing for Achilles, the hero of heroes. And if we take it a little bit further then, at the moment of his embarassment - anger as well and all - he is driven away from the glory he was supposed to get when he joined in to the war. This is why what he has is not merely anger, it turns to kholos. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T11:12:14Z SecondChildTAG: Very interesting approach, Mirtozoi. I agree with you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T17:47:26Z FirstChildTAG: I am still stumped by Question 4 of the Slow reading exercise in Hour 2, requiring a written response. This was the question: Meleagros misses out on getting the ‘honor’ or tīmē that he deserves: so, what will happen with the ‘honor’ or tīmē that Achilles deserves? Hint: consider the third of the three speeches made by Achilles in response to each one of the three emissaries. I just cannot fathom an answer that seems on track. Is there anybody out there who felt satisfied with their response and who would not mind sharing it with me? It would be much appreciated. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 975378 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Catharina FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T19:02:31Z SecondChildTAG: Hey, Catharina, I liked my answer -- I said that Achilles believes his "time" was guaranteed by Zeus. He actually says this in the readings. That was not the case with Meleagros, who waited too long and allowed too many of his people to die before he went out to help them. Achilles feels justified to sit out the fighting because he is so angry with Agamemnon. And, since Zeus "guarantees" his honor, he can afford to wait. Basically, this was the heart of my answer. Hope it gives you a little help. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1181747 SecondChildUserNameTAG: picohio7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T01:15:11Z SecondChildTAG: I hadn't thought of that connection to Zeus and the guarantee of time. Thank you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1384830 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sasha67 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T04:15:39Z SecondChildTAG: I too didn't like this question. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T09:03:38Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks - it is indeed of great help, and an interesting answer! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 975378 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Catharina SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T19:07:22Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Catharina. My take on this question (**what will happen with the ‘honor’ or _time_ that Achilles deserves?**) is that Achilles has given up his quest for _time_ (honor) in favor of _kleos aphthiton_. Because _time_ is transitory and usually something bestowed upon by one's peers while _kleos aphthiton_ is permanent. [picohio7 points out that Achilles has _time_ from Zeus. The full quote is: "I have honor [time] from Zeus himself, which will abide with me at my ships while I have breath [610] in my body, and my limbs are strong." My impression is that by pointing out that he has _time_ from Zeus _only while alive_, he highlights the transitory nature of _time_ in contrast to _kleos aphthiton_.] Professor Nagy asks us to look at Achilles' response to Ajax--I'm going to use the Fitzgerald translation here: "Aias, lord of fighting men, you seemed to echo my own mind in what you said!" [IX.645] And what did Ajax say? Back to the Butler translation: **Achilles "cares nothing for the love [philotes] of his comrades [hetairoi]. With that love we honored him more than all the others over there by the ships".** [IX.630] Moments earlier, Achilles actually says to Phoenix, "I have no need of such honor." [IX.606]. If you take Achilles literally, which I do, you might conclude that Achilles, like Meleagros, is going to miss out on getting the _time_ that he deserves. Let's look at it another way. Achilles has two fates--if he sails home, he'll get _nostos_ but not _kleos_; if he stays and fights, he'll die with _kleos aphthiton_--unwilting _kleos_. First, neither choice guarantees honor--after all, Meleagros got _kleos_ but not _time_. Second, we know that Achilles chooses _kleos aphthiton_; and we also know that _he_ knows that to get _kleos aphthiton_ he must die at Troy. **If _time_ is something short-lived that is given by one's contemporaries--one's companions, one's _hetairoi_--in the form of _geras_, etc, what good is that going to do him when he's dead?** Again, I take him literally when he says he "has no need of such honor." But Achilles has to do more than fight to get _kleos aphthiton_. **I think that if Achilles had listened to the emissaries and rejoined the fight in Scroll 9, he _would_ have earned _time_ but not necessarily _kleos_.** By this point in the story, Hektor has been built up to be a monster--someone whom no one except Achilles can stop (although Big Ajax comes close). As Agamemnon says at X.47, "I never saw nor heard tell of any man as having wrought such ruin in one day as Hektor... and that too of his own unaided self, for he is son neither to god nor goddess." My guess is that yes, Achilles would have earned great honors if he had killed the unstoppable and monstrous Hektor at that point. But he wouldn't have earned _kleos aphthiton_. Simply killing the "monster" (the Calydonian Boar) for _time_ (or even _kleos_ but not _kleos aphthiton_) is not good enough for Achilles. **It seems that he needs a better reason to fight than to earn _time_ from his _hetairoi_; it seems that the only good reason to fight is for the number one on his ascending scale of affection--his _philatatos_, his Patroklos, his _kleos pateres_, in order to earn his _kleos aphthiton_.** Even though he doesn't know it yet, Patroklos has to die before this can happen. Genghis Ps. One nagging doubt I have is about Meleagros--I claim that he earned _kleos_ but not _kleos aphthiton_. And yet, he _is_ part of the _klea andron_. Can you earn _kleos_ but not _kleos aphthiton_? Even if I'm wrong, I don't think it changes my argument too much. But I would love to hear your feedback. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T05:59:41Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Genghis for your analysis, very insightful for me. I found myself tripping over being too narrow in my analysis, limiting to here and then, rather than pulling out to see against the big picture. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1339438 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Raindust2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T10:55:06Z SecondChildTAG: It seemed like it needed to also be looked at with reference to what Odysseus and Phoenix said to Achilles to try to persuade him to rejoin the Achaeans. The *time* that Achilles deserves is not dependent on the material things that have been offered to bring him back to the fight, as was the case in the story of Meleagros. It does not depend on the love that his *hetairoi* have given him, as Ajax observes in his plea to bring Achilles back to the fighting. He would not feel he had honor if he were to ignore the "contumely" heaped upon himself by Agamemnon in the presence of the Argives. He has to remain true to his essential self and refuse to fight until Hector is literally at the door of his tent. His honor will last forever if he respects himself and his anger. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935479 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T05:50:16Z SecondChildTAG: "...true to his essential self..." Why oh why is there not a Lameness Check icon on the toolbar? I meant that phrase in the notional sense that he has to act in accord with the essence of his Self, which is that of a Hero. Where is that Babble Check icon? Should be next to the Cliche Auto Correct... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935479 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T15:26:14Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Bob. I am not quite sure I understand your argument; even so, it made me reassess my own. I think I need to revisit my understanding of _time_ and am posting the lexicon entry below. I have been emphasizing that it comes from one's comrades while this is not necessarily true. And yet, it seems to me that _time_ is transitory even if given by the gods--no matter who gives you _time_, it ends when you die. But _kleos apthiton_... that never dies. Achilles knows for a fact that he is going to die very soon. Why would he care about _time_? Meleagros didn't get it because he was too late. Achilles, it seems, isn't going to get it because he won't be around to claim it. Cheers, Genghis http://tinyurl.com/bocxkhr * Click "LSJ" for the entry highlighted in pink * I highlighted the Iliad references in blue * I highlighted the Iliad Scroll 9 references in yellow ![enter image description here][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13662179351343679.png SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T17:00:28Z FirstChildTAG: I was completely taken aback by the choices of > a) a special kind of anger, with dire consequences > > b) any kind of anger > > > c) either of the above My background in mathematics and logic would not get past the fact that "a special kind of anger" is, in fact, an example of "any kind of anger" and that logically there is no difference between b) and c). I think that I have come to terms with the question, but it was a major stumbling block. I have always had trouble with the particular use of language when learning a new subject. I suppose I am very literal. This does seem to me to be very loose use of language in a subject where the use of words is the be all and end all. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T20:13:27Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Priscilla, I agree - as a scientist, that option defied the reasoning that I am used to. But I guess that is one of the goals of the course - to get me out of my comfort zone. It is working! Cheers, Jenna SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T20:53:00Z SecondChildTAG: Working very well. I don't know when I've had so much fun. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T22:17:56Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Priscilla and Jenna, Yes, I can now see that what the question-writer had in mind was *the usage of word meanings*. I think that what the choices were was a) the word means: a special kind of anger, ... b) the word means: any kind of anger (generic) c) the word can be used for either of the above senses Our problem was seeing these as logical categories rather than some combination of word usage and meaning. But I still experience the ringing dizziness of cognitive dissonance when I see questions phrased like this. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T23:26:32Z SecondChildTAG: Cognitive dissonance is exactly right. Your coming to terms with it is much like mine. The question is whether or not I will be able to interpret a similarly worded question without the struggle should it come up again. Definitely mind stretching. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T23:46:48Z SecondChildTAG: "the word can be used for either of the above senses". Oh my God! My dear *hriggs* only now I understand what I did wrong. I was lost in translation! I confused the word "either" with the word "neither". Your comment made me realise the right meaning of the question. Now I feel a little stupid but at least I'm more confident about myself. Thank you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T17:57:51Z FirstChildTAG: Question about near and dear: love or identification? I did not understand why the response "someone the hero loves" to the question in the reading exercise was wrong. In the lectures, it was repeated several times that there was a natural ranking of persons dear and near to the hero (but not in the case of the master narrator; for him "the dear and near for him" are those with whom he identifies, those who are qualified to understand the story he is telling) according to the hero's ranking of love or increasing scale of affection. Not identification. In the case of Achilles, it is his friend Patroklos; in the case of Meleagros, it is his wife. One convinces the former in life, she had witnessed loss and suffering; the other convinces the latter in death: Patroklos's death imposes loss and suffering on Achilles. It seems more plausible to me that Meleagros loves his wife than he identifies himself with her and, out of his love for her, he decides to return to combat. Although we have not yet reached that stage in the Iliad, I understand it is because Patroklos is killed, Achilles decides to fight; out of grief (if he identifies with Patroklos the most, would then be the grief for himself--and not for the other?--that propels him to fight?). Interestingly enough, as as indicated by professor Nagy, both of them (the near and dear) have names that mean the same thing: he/she that has the glory of the ancestors, which is something that Achilles aims to have or to achieve(this is less clear in the case of Meleagros); and in this way it could be perhaps argued Achilles identifies with his nearest and dearest. But this is not at all obvious in the case of Meleagros. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 917710 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AnaLuizaCortez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T16:45:43Z FirstChildTAG: This is something of a technical question, so if it is better posted elsewhere please let me know. In Hour 1, I "flunked" all of the Close Reading exercises because I wrote out my answers in the text box. I thought that the questions posed for "consideration" were just prompts. Later I discovered that those were actually a multiple-choice set, and that the text box entries are more free-form. Obviously, in such a huge class as this, pre-set multiple choice questions and answers are fairly easy to deal with. But what actually happens to those written responses? Even in many large on-campus classes, short answers in tests get read individually by someone (assistants, if not the actual professor). But is someone actually reading every one of the written responses posed in each set for each cohort? Is this why Harvard and edX sent out that appeal for Harvard alumni volunteers for the class? Or is the class using the grading software that edX has recently been touting? (See this [New York Times article][1] for more on that.) [1]: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/05/science/new-test-for-computers-grading-essays-at-college-level.html?_r=0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 FirstChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T02:12:38Z SecondChildTAG: I'm pretty sure that the grading software is not operational yet. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T02:50:01Z IndexTAG: 7 TitleTAG: [From Staff] Discussion of Hour 2 Question Set In an effort to promote learning and interaction around the assessments, we are creating a thread for each question set and close reading exercise. **Please use this thread to discuss the question set from Hour 2.** The purpose of this thread is to generate further intellectual community among our members and to promote discussion of content. If you have technical issues with a question set or close reading exercise set, please post those concerns in the general Discussion. Leonard Muellner, Chair of the Board of Readers Claudia Filos, Editor of Content and Social Media UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T01:21:00Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: I just wanted to point out that, although I think I understand my mistakes, there is no "show answer" button for the question set in Hour 2. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T15:12:08Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, I noticed that also. When I see the "show answer" button it helps me in understanding the text. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1315889 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MBWall SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T15:45:39Z SecondChildTAG: Strange. After I had submitted my final answer for each given question a 'show answer's button did appear for me. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1296837 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AshleyRichards SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T20:43:19Z SecondChildTAG: a show answer button also did not appear for me SecondChildUserIdTAG: 975378 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Catharina SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T17:38:56Z SecondChildTAG: Same here, Sunny. There is no such button in Question Set for Hour 2 page. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T18:42:20Z SecondChildTAG: It's possible it's your browser... but not probable. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 916354 SecondChildUserNameTAG: wcoventry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T04:49:25Z SecondChildTAG: Same here (using Mozilla)--the correct answers show up for the Close Reading Exercise but not for the Question Set. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T01:52:30Z SecondChildTAG: Same here. The show answer did not appear in both Chrome and IE. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 158797 SecondChildUserNameTAG: leeling SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T05:56:18Z SecondChildTAG: Could it be when we answered the questions? I have no show answer button and posted the answers very shortly after they appeared. If the problem was fixed subsequently we could still not see the button because it appears when the answers are submitted. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T06:33:07Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks, PriscillaN, I think you have the answer to our disparate experiences! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T06:13:11Z FirstChildTAG: I am still stumped by Question 4 of the Slow reading exercise in Hour 2, requiring a written response. This was the question: Meleagros misses out on getting the ‘honor’ or tīmē that he deserves: so, what will happen with the ‘honor’ or tīmē that Achilles deserves? Hint: consider the third of the three speeches made by Achilles in response to each one of the three emissaries. I just cannot fathom the answer. Is there anybody out there who felt satisfied with their response and who would not mind sharing it with me? It would be much appreciated. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 975378 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Catharina FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T17:44:55Z SecondChildTAG: Catharina, you may want to move your question to the relevant thread: "Discussion of Hour 2 Close Reading Exercise". :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T18:45:45Z SecondChildTAG: I think that if Achilles acts like Meleagros, then he will lose all the honor or tīmē that he deserves. Meleagros missed out on getting the 'honor' or tīmē that he deserved because he waited until his own people were in mortal danger in order to fight. The person, who had a catalytic influence upon him, was his wife Kleopatra. Meleagros decided to protect them only because his wife, who is at the top of his ascending scale of affection, started crying and sang a song of lament. Meleagros joined his comrades too late and that's why he lost his gifts and the honor that he deserved. If Achilles waits too long in order to fight, he will also lose all the gifts that Agamemnon offers to him and he will also lose the most important: the honor or tīmē that he deserves. Each of his responses to the emissaries shows a different stage in the evolution of the motivation of Achilles. Achilles doesn't listen to Phoinix and if he is too late, he will lose the tīmē that he deserves. Achilles was late, so he lost his most near and dear, his best friend Patroklos. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1151803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: konstantinakiari SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T16:00:33Z FirstChildTAG: In Hour 2 Question Set, I answered the Second Question that “He [Phoenix] want to persuade Achilles to be like Meleagros”, answer that was noted as wrong. The correct one had to be: “He [Phoenix] wants Aquilles to avoid loosing all honor.” But it looks to me that it is the same thing. Meleagros, because of his too late defense of his fellow citizens lost the recompenses offered to him by the elders of Calydon, and he only reacted when, at last, he and his wife were in danger. He reacted motivated by his wife. He didn´t lose “all honor”, because he finally defended his fatherland. Achilles was in a similar situation and the results were also similar at last. As Prof. Nagy has shown to us, the tale of Phoenix is a “micro narrative” [being Meleagros the protagonist] within the “macro narrative” of the Iliad [with Achilles as the protagonist] and Patroclos as the Achilles’ motivator. The final words of Phoenix are very clear: “For if you do that [to end your inactivity in the war] the Achaeans will honor you - same as a god. But if you have no gifts when you do go into the war, that destroyer of men, you will no longer have honor the same way, even if you have succeeded in blocking the forces of war”. He doesn’t speak of “loosing all honor” but of not having “honor the same way” as happened to Meleagros, to whom he proposes as a model for Achilles. The answer of Achilles seems to confirm that “loosing all honor” is not at stake: “I have no need of such honor. I have honor from Zeus himself.” FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1027226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nazareo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T05:42:16Z SecondChildTAG: I got the wrong answer and I posted that Phoenix wanted Achilles to avoid losing all honor. The right answer was that he did **not** want Achilles to be like Meleagros, who responded to the pleas to help **too late to receive gifts and honors.** SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T06:11:38Z IndexTAG: 8 TitleTAG: [From Staff] Discussion of Hour 1 Close Reading Exercise In an effort to promote learning and interaction around the assessments, we are creating a thread for each question set and close reading exercise. **Please use this thread to discuss the Close Reading Exercise from Hour 1.** The purpose of this thread is to generate further intellectual community among our members and to promote discussion of content. If you have technical issues with a question set or close reading exercise set, please post those concerns in the general Discussion. Leonard Muellner, Chair of the Board of Readers Claudia Filos, Editor of Content and Social Media UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T01:20:41Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hello thank you for making these threads available, I have completed all the question set with no real problems but no annotation questions as I need to know 1. How much I am expected to write as people talk of "essays" and to what depth, layout etc 2, Specific to hour one what does experiencing something defective mean, it is all three options and I have looked up all definitions is it incomplete? faulty? I dont have a clue on this,Any help gratefully received. Knowing these points I will be able to attempt the close reading questions. Thank you Delphine FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T17:29:24Z SecondChildTAG: I've assumed that the size of the text box is a reasonable indication of what's required - a few sentences or, if you like, a couple of paragraphs. I don't think the system is designed for anything more than that. Personally, I would hate to try writing a full-scale essay in there. In this instance, I find "defective" an odd choice - but perhaps "wrong", or "faulty" rather than merely incomplete. For hour 1 (and only hour 1), you **are** allowed to look at the model answers and adjust your own response before hitting the Final Check button. The option to show the answers is there by design - and the easiest way to see for yourself what is most likely meant by "defective". SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T09:11:02Z SecondChildTAG: Oh thank you so much for your advice I did see the show answer but thought that was after I had submitted my response. As i did not fill in box I did not know whether the space provided kept scrolling down.Your advice means I can do them now, really appreciate it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T09:26:11Z SecondChildTAG: I very much like the 'short answer/ looking-for-understanding' approach to testing in this course. Unfortunately,I lost points today by clicking in the wrong place. I couldn't 'erase the click' and put in the answer. That was frustrating, especially because it was a relatively easy question and I was sure I would have gotten the right answer, had I not made a faulty click. One thing I feel uncomfortable with are the questions that ask us to interpret the meaning of these particular Greek words. I have the feeling the interpretation points to our understanding of the inter-relations and connections among the various levels of the narrative, something about which I am still not seeing clearly. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1000464 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Janice02 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T17:48:30Z SecondChildTAG: Delphine, it isn't clear how big this essays should be. But Prof. Nagy and Claudia said that "an argument" is enough. Personaly, I try to wright texts as sort as possible : from one sentence to one or maximum two brief paragraphs. After all, somebody is going to assess those answers! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T18:36:04Z SecondChildTAG: English teacher chimes in: My definition of a paragraph is 5 to 6 well formed sentences. These questions can be answered in a well written paragraph. I'm sure no one will mind if you extend it to two. :) Hope this is helps you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1181747 SecondChildUserNameTAG: picohio7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T00:43:29Z SecondChildTAG: Confused in Africa chimes in: I've been onto more like 50; but I suppose 9 -10 might be more realistic SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1099483 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IainDavie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T14:34:16Z FirstChildTAG: The third question, from the heroes' perspective.... meaning of asthai - experiencing something morally defective - experiencing something defective - experiencing something either defective or morally defective. A great debate at home was this, my husband who I chose to be my "course hero" insisted that the answer to the question was; something morally defective. And my answer was the last one, (experiencing something either defective or morally defective). Unfortunately, he was able to convince me to change my mind since his argument was that last choice was too general, meanwhile his choice was better since it is more precise. Question: are we the only one who came up with this notion or did everyone had the same thoughts. Thank You FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1382449 FirstChildUserNameTAG: laquino FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T04:32:26Z SecondChildTAG: I got this question right. I figured out that there were more than moral defects involved. In these interpretations, however, I feel not infrequently that I'm just lucky in my guess. I admire the way the tests are set up, and I am very happy to participate. I am just hoping the questions in the coming hours don't split too many hairs. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1000464 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Janice02 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T17:56:05Z SecondChildTAG: Note that if we cannot be certain about the meaning of "defective," then how certain can we be about the "correct" meaning of anything? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T01:34:46Z FirstChildTAG: As I infered from the In hour 1 Agemenon speech which declared that many Acheans have made stories about the cause of harm to Achilles but only gods herself may bring harm to mortals.Thus heroes may choose to fight against fate and gods in order to regain their glory and to become immortal in the lamentation of lyric. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1385324 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Suzan81 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T17:08:15Z SecondChildTAG: I liked the idea that these guys could make peace with themselves when they acted rashly or failed to best an enemy by saying that the gods ordained otherwise. You wonder if your life isn't a micro-narrative within the macro-Narrative and who is the master Narrator. This epic must reflect Hindu influences. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1000464 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Janice02 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T18:05:03Z SecondChildTAG: I am not sure about the Hindu influences, Suzan ... Certainly, the Mahabharata and the Iliad both derive from a common Indo-Aryan source. Hinduism does not really begin until about two millennia ago, and by then the Iliad was well documented in the literature of the Eastern Mediterranean. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T12:46:02Z SecondChildTAG: I have been looking extensively into Hindu or other Oriental influences but there is clearly no evidence as far as I can see. The source where I was heading had dawned on me. one midmorning in the woods, as a blind reference. I'm working out this reading out of the text stuff, but it its almost like another quantum. Dynamics with the gods however are most interesting. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1099483 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IainDavie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T14:30:10Z IndexTAG: 9 TitleTAG: [From Staff] Discussion of Hour 3 Question Set In an effort to promote learning and interaction around the assessments, we are creating a thread for each question set and close reading exercise. **Please use this thread to discuss the question set from Hour 3.** The purpose of this thread is to generate further intellectual community among our members and to promote discussion of content. If you have technical issues with a question set or close reading exercise set, please post those concerns in the general Discussion. Leonard Muellner, Chair of the Board of Readers Claudia Filos, Editor of Content and Social Media UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T01:32:24Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 9 FirstChildTAG: I just have a question. People are always trying to touch the knees of others.For advice, closeness,pity what ever.Why? Is there something special about this? Why are heroes referred to as such gentle souls?Duh. They are destroying cities left and right.What about them is gentle. My questions are not as deep as others. Sorry if they seem foolish. But I want to know. I wish I could erase every SCIENCE NETWORK show I have ever seen on space aliens on Earth from my mind.My mind wanders down strange paths. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T22:11:54Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Elizabeth, you want to really mess with your head - read the series of books by Zitchin based on clay tiles from Sumarians and Babylon. I don't know the answers either. Suggestion for you. Start a new post, title it: LENNY, CLAUDIA, AND JEFF, I HAVE A QUESTION Then post your questions. One of them can answer you. Your questions deep enough to stump me. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T09:43:53Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Elizabeth I found this article about touching the knee of the other person and what that signifies in Pakistan culture. It may not be entirely appropriate for the ancient Greek culture, but interesting. *There are many passages in the Bible where people came and fell at the knee of Jesus. Normally people fall at the feet, but why the knees? Back Ground: The knees need to be strong so that we can stand stable. In Pakistani culture the knees are sign of power, so while touching the knees of the elders, it means that I surrender. The poor living under feudal influence have to do all the time to show their powerlessness and by touching the knees of their landlords or owners.* If you are interested in the whole article: http://puranpediapak.com/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T15:49:01Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Elizabeth, About the knees - I found this: http://genrewiki.wikispot.org/Knees_in_Mythology SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1177757 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stefan_stefanov SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T17:17:22Z SecondChildTAG: "Why are heroes referred to as such gentle souls?Duh. They are destroying cities left and right.What about them is gentle." I think the "gentleness" of their souls was not at all damaged by the "cruelties" - as we see them today - they performed. They reflect the society of the ancient Mediterranean cultures, and other ancient and not so ancient cultures. I think, we as society, are developing empathy on much bigger, deeper and detailed scale and this is very new development. It is probably connected with the information age. We cannot shield our conscience anymore anywhere from anything. We are ever more aware of others' (not only humans but also animals) suffering and we put it also in deeper context. Therefore recently the public as a whole is developing ever bigger aversion towards violence. Todays exceptions (performed by armies or deranged individuals) only confirm the rule and are ever better reported - therefore look like ubiquitous. I read somewhere about this current ever growing public aversion toward violence but I cannot remember where. Anyway if we judge the Greek gods and heroes through this information-age prism we will not do them justice. Just my thoughts on the subject. Stefan SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1177757 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stefan_stefanov SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T17:42:14Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for the info in these posts. Well reasoned very understandable. See Elizabeth, I knew our classmates would know the answers. Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T18:12:14Z SecondChildTAG: Stefan, I don't see how our time is a more peaceful one. We have develope weapons of mass destruction! Our war techniques have improved while our spirit hasn't evolved much since Homer. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T18:54:10Z SecondChildTAG: I certainly do not consider our time more peaceful nor empathetic. We can hide behind technology, posting anonymous poison, stealing people's identities and so on. At least the heroes faced each other with their grievances and fought it out openly. The stronger hero won. It all seems so simple back then! Unfortunately, I don't see empathy as a by-product of technology and the information explosion. Rather, I see a certain jadedness -- an indifference -- because we see it all the time and it doesn't touch us, so it doesn't mean anything to us. Sometimes it seems to me that we haven't evolved all that much. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1181747 SecondChildUserNameTAG: picohio7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T01:00:58Z SecondChildTAG: Regarding knees, as an American student in France, I was taken aback by having my knee palpated by a Frenchman, both of us seated of course. It was inside my zone of personal space. But for him, it was no more than a way of emphasizing his point. It was clearly not sexual. So the knee grabbing in Homer is a constituent part of the petitioner's plea for mercy. The plea is not just verbal. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 261838 SecondChildUserNameTAG: eisenstadt SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T19:51:00Z SecondChildTAG: thank you for your help and links. Very interesting. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T19:55:56Z SecondChildTAG: I too wondered about these heroes "gentleness" and being "tender." Seems like they spent all their time killing, then burning a city, taking all the treasure, raping women & tossing children off the wall to their death. The survivors were enslaved. What's so gentle about that? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 916354 SecondChildUserNameTAG: wcoventry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T18:24:11Z SecondChildTAG: What are the original Greek words for "gentle" and "tender"? What connotations would they have had? Would those be similar to the English term "gentleman," which signfies social status (someone able to bear arms) as much as or more than an element of character and behavior as such? (That meaning still carries over in the military phrase "an officer and a gentleman.") SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T17:50:37Z SecondChildTAG: For more on whether our own time is more or less violent than in the past, see *The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined* (2011), by the psychologist Steven Pinker. For a critique of Pinker, see [http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/12/steven-pinker-on-the-alleged-decline-of-violence/][1] [1]: http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/12/steven-pinker-on-the-alleged-decline-of-violence/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T17:58:00Z SecondChildTAG: I think somewhere in the Bible Christ said that even the wicked are good to there own. Maybe these heroes are great in the own city or league. But, different rules apply to others. Too bad they had to conquer other cities to feed and maintain the forces Civil War10 years. Reminds me of a show on the History channel of Sherman's march to the sea during the U.S, Civil War. The show explained what was needed to maintain an army. Still snowing in Mn. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T20:30:53Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Elisabeth, touching the knee and the chin was considered an act of homage. It was usually done by supplicants or people seeking for hospitality or asylum. As far as to the gentleness of heroes as opposed to sacking cities I think you are partially judging the ethics and practices of archaic Greeks with todays moral standards. Even so, there have been many occasions both in WW2 and more recently where soldiers committed hideous acts and at the same time they were gentle souls for their loved ones. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 907629 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sfinias SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T09:24:29Z SecondChildTAG: hi elisabeth, sfinias is right about knee touching or clasping. it was common in Europe until the 19th century in rural areas. as far as the gentleness is concerned, I think that don12013 is right - and in Chaucer the knight's tale - a gentil and parfait knight- is actually a blackhearted ruffian who is depicted as taking part in some of the nastiest and bloodiest battles of that era. but more to the point, until the industrial revolution, wealth was land and slaves, and wealth could only be got by fighting. so the answer to the 14 century doggerel "when adam delved, and eve span, who was then the gentleman?" was the biggest and toughest bully in the neighbourhood. with enough land [=food = wealth] and slaves [=labour=work=farming/housework] the bully could afford to be clean and well-clothed. all he had to do was to ensure that he kept fit and up-to-battle mettle, else he was still a gentleman but a dead gentleman. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1227249 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nick589 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T13:56:48Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you. This is all so interesting. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T22:28:28Z SecondChildTAG: Nick589: I take it you've read Terry Jones' (yes, Monty Python Terry Jones) *Chaucer's Knight: Portrait of a Medieval Mercenary*. "*He was a verray, parfit gentil knyght*" indeed. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935479 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T06:09:01Z FirstChildTAG: Here are my examples: Phoenix: singing about Meleagros and Kleopatra Kleopatra: singing her lament as Meleagros finally went to help his people Achilles: "diverting his heart" as he sang the glories of men and Andromache: lament song for her family and her husband Hector I think these performances suggest that both men and women's voices were necessary to bring the Iliad to life. The men sing of glory; the women sing of personal sorrow and loss. The perspectives of both men and women are vital to the weaving of the Iliad. The men show the "big picture"; the women fill in the details of how much was at stake. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1181747 FirstChildUserNameTAG: picohio7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T01:07:15Z FirstChildTAG: The laments: Andromache: 1st: premonition to Hectors death, amd the memory of her dead family in the hands of Achilles 2nd: sight of dead Hector and the immediate sorrow it causes 3rd: Hector's funeral Pheonix: song about Meleagros and Kleopatra Achilles: songs of klea andron FirstChildUserIdTAG: 984170 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ximenapastor FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T02:32:29Z SecondChildTAG: Men and women express with lament and song their wishes, hopes and sufferings. Men sing of glory, war and loss and women sing of mainly loss, suffering and fears. They weave the personalities and micronarratives and context of those times. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 984170 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ximenapastor SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T02:35:13Z FirstChildTAG: "Can you think of at least three examples in the Iliad where a character is represented as performing a song when he or she is quoted in the narrative?" Phoenix - epic song about Meleagros; Andromache - lament songs about Hector and the whole; Achilles - lyric song about "klea andron" "What does such a performance of a song tell us about the performance of the Iliad itself?" Such performances have messages not only for their direct participants but also for the audience of the master narrative. They sometimes present a message of the master narrative in a nutshell. Stefan FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1177757 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stefan_stefanov FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T17:58:22Z FirstChildTAG: ANDROMACHE 'S LAMENT IN A MODERN GREEK SONG I found a modern Greek song related to Iliad. It's very interesting. It speaks about war and love connecting victory in war with love. Think of it! Achilles gained imperishable glory but he didn't manage to be among the winners, because he died before the occupation of Troy. Menelaos, who was so in love with Helen, that he made a war for her, forgave his wife and they returned home to live happily. He wasn't interested in imperishable glory. He was interested in Helen! Well, he was given what he wanted. He won the war and the girl! Greek mythology says that even when they died, they went to Ilisia Pedia, a kind of paradise only for heroes. Odysseus who didn't want to leave his wife and son to go to war and pretended that he was mad (unfortunately for him his trick was discovered) was present the day of victory and managed to return to his beloved ones although, it took him ten more years. The answer to the success of these two heroes is in this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fEsy2gvk2o FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T17:17:22Z FirstChildTAG: - Phoenix: sings the story about Meleagros and Kleopatra to persuade Achilles to return into battle - Kleopatra: sings her lament song about the past to persuade her husband Meleagros help his people in Calydon - Andromache: sings her lament song to persuade her husband Hector not to face Achilles in battle FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1328809 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TerryTz FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T13:39:29Z FirstChildTAG: In Question 3, the passage where Achilles is playing the lyre which belonged to Eetion, I selected the option: “Achilles performs klea andrōn — privately, as a way to divert his attention from his sorrow.” My selection was found O.K., but the Answer says: “If you answered “privately, as a way to divert his attention from his sorrow,” you would be showing your mastery of the reading, but you would be missing out on the significance of Achilles’ performance as it relates to the Homeric Iliad. Because the performance of Achilles is reported by Homeric poetry, it is automatically a public act and cannot be a private act. Homeric poetry, as a performance medium in its own right, is a public act. Anything reported by Homeric performance becomes public, because Homeric performance is by nature public. So it is a better answer to say that Achilles performs klea andrōn “publicly, as a way to divert his attention from his sorrow.” Well, I agree after the explanation. A private act of a hero is a twofold act, private and public at the same time, but the public is the more important. A hero is similar to a famous people of today. An act of Prince William and Kate (to enjoy a beach, for instance), which is esentially private, becomes a public act if paparazzi can catch their pictures and put them in the media, which are by nature a public performance. I saw only one of the faces of the coin. ….. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1027226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nazareo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T05:50:26Z FirstChildTAG: I have noted Phoenix singing about Meleagros, Andromache lamenting about Hector and Achilles singing the Klea Andron, but i have also looked at bmcr.brynmawr/edu.2012/2012-10-04.html, which gives some clarity into the repetions of the Homeric Iilad, and that it is constantly repeating itself as a way of maintaining cultural beliefs.Richard Martin believes that the Iliad had no concepts of Eastern or western cultures, and that it is not a poem of nstional or religious identity, but about 'heroes and humans' and what constitutes humanity, the war of Troy is used as a backdrop of human concerns that appeals to academics of all ages. It is a product of cultural memory using the power of repetition to learn the stories. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1143026 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maiziebanner FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T10:27:32Z FirstChildTAG: The laments are the following. First of all, we have Achilles who stays in his shelter with Patroklos and he sings klea andron while he accompanies himself with a lyre that once belonged to Andromache's father, Eetion. By playing the lyre Achilles makes Andromache's pain so strong. Not only she lost her father, her seven brothers and her mother, but she also lost her husband Hector, who is at the top of her ascending scale of affection. I think that the most heartbreaking lament is the one that Andromache sings when her husband Hector is dead. She has lost the only one person who had in her life. Seconldy, we have the lament that Briseis sings when Patroklos is dead. It is not only a lament over the death of Patroklos but also a lament because Patroklos promised her a happy wedding with Achilles. Now, that Patroklos is dead, Briseis understands that this wedding is not going to happen. Finally, we have the lament of both Priam and Hecuba when their son Hector is killed by Achilles. Richard Martin has shown that narratives within the master Narrative of the Iliad contain markers for and about the listeners of the master Narrative. So, I think that these songs help the readers to understand the Iliad better. The performance of a song is so closely linked with the performance of the Iliad itself. In that way, we can say that the song mirrors what is happening or what is going to happen in the Iliad. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1151803 FirstChildUserNameTAG: konstantinakiari FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T20:46:01Z SecondChildTAG: Yes ... for us as close readers these songs in the epic allow us to connect such micro-narratives with the larger master or macro-narrative of the poem. These songs are keys to meaningful systems of social and poetic value that play within the Ilad. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T14:15:05Z SecondChildTAG: And these meaningful songs with the social and poetic value, enable us to have a better understanding of the Iliad itself! We know what accounted most for the ancient Greek. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1151803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: konstantinakiari SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T17:40:08Z IndexTAG: 10 TitleTAG: [From Staff] Discussion of Hour 4 Close Reading Exercise In an effort to promote learning and interaction around the assessments, we are creating a thread for each question set and close reading exercise. Please use this thread to discuss the Close Reading Exercise from Hour 4. The purpose of this thread is to generate further intellectual community among our members and to promote discussion of content. If you have technical issues with a question set or close reading exercise set, please post those concerns in the general Discussion. Leonard Muellner, Chair of the Board of Readers Claudia Filos, Editor of Content and Social Media UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T00:53:24Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I think that the lament of the goddess Thetis is so heartbreaking. Imagine being a mother who knows that your son is going to die but you cannot do anything to save him. I think that Thetis is desperate. And she becomes even more desperate when her son's best friend Patroklos dies. She knows that her son's death is also too close but she cannot do anything to prevent it. Thetis, in performing her lament, sings to her son Achilles as if he were already dead. She feels the sorrow that Achilles' feels over the death of Patroklos, and that sorrow translates into the sorrow that Thetis feels by foreseeing, goddess that she is, the death of Achilles himself. When Achilles is finally dead after his fight with Hector, Thetis wants to share her pain and she calls her sisters Nereids in order to lament him. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1151803 FirstChildUserNameTAG: konstantinakiari FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T06:33:01Z SecondChildTAG: It would be interesting to compare the different codes that that developed in antiquity. Thetis is is stricking contrast to the way the ancient Spartan women viewd the honour and value of their sons. When Spartan men left for war, their wives or their mothers gave them theis shields telling them, ή τάν ή επί τάς, which liberally translated means that they should come back from war either carrying the shield or be carried dead on top of that shield. The ultimate dishonour in ancient Sparta was to turn away from battle. If somebody was thus dishonoured was often put to death when returned to Sparta, or was exiled for ever and renounced by his family, mother included. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 907629 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sfinias SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T08:33:15Z SecondChildTAG: Thetis' dilemma, however, is that she will see her son die in any case. Being an immortal goddess she will outlive her son whatever choice he makes. The numerical difference is negligible, whether you compare 30 years or 90 years of lifetime to infinity. Comparing her son to a (seasonal) plant is quite appropriate in this context. The epic hero consciously choses to be 'harvested' after a glorious summer rather than risking to 'wilt away' in the winter of his life. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 171100 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Oliver_Schafeld SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T11:11:39Z SecondChildTAG: This is such a great thought Oliver! I have been thinking of Thetis' sorrow as the sorrow of any mother but this puts it a new frame. Thanks SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1285580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GALAMAR SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T12:43:25Z SecondChildTAG: That was a beautiful way to put it, Oliver. # sfinias, I'm not sure if that extreme code of the Spartans had developed yet at the time of the Trojan war. I think that came later, when the rulers of Sparta saw that they could bend all of social life to the purpose of serving the state. The same thing happened much later in Japan. It was not really part of the medieval code of Bushido for a samurai to commit suicide rather than surrender. This part of the code was added on later, made up out of whole cloth by militarists who wanted an undefeatable military. My memory is fuzzy on this, so somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was sometime after the Shogunate that young warfighters were taught that their lives belonged to the Emperor once that they were conscripted. I'd go look it up now, but once I get into a search, curiosity forces me to keep clicking on all the new links, just to see what they mean. Just starting a simple search for one fact, can take one on a journey that ends up hours later, far away from the original question. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1180485 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Montresor49 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T13:49:43Z SecondChildTAG: @konstantinakiari you have mentioned that Thetis become more desperate when she finds out about Patroklos death because she knows that Achilles death is also too close but where was mentioned that Thetis is aware about patrokles death? I think she was lamenting because she could foresee Achilles death and she couldn't change this and not because Achilles would die soon after patroklos. Achilles would die anyway early in his life that's why he was compared to a seedling flower cut down in his prime. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1004429 SecondChildUserNameTAG: natia2588 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T14:19:26Z SecondChildTAG: Oliver, thank you for sharing that great remark. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Erza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T15:07:20Z SecondChildTAG: I agree with Natia. Thetis has always know of the early death of her son and here laments him as if he has already died. This is a fairly common response to the impending death of a loved one - a rehearsal as it were of the loved ones passing. I too wonder where Thetis has been made aware of Pettoklos's death - did I miss something? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1411747 SecondChildUserNameTAG: susanjohnsonis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T16:38:09Z SecondChildTAG: Indeed... and as I mentioned to the Discussion Question for Hour 4... this knowledge of her son's death, make her as a godess of a "constant sorrow" just like her son is a man of a "constant sorrow". This fact makes it even more dramatic, as time goes by and we reach the given end... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 794169 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ChristosMoiss SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T17:38:10Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, actually guys you are right! She finds out that Patroklos is dead when she visits Achilles, who is the one that tells her about the death of his best friend. Thanks for the comments!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1151803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: konstantinakiari SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T18:14:24Z FirstChildTAG: I am uncertain about the answer which is given to the second close reading exercise about the song of Achilles. It seems to me that the discussion of the correct answer was in fact answering a different question. While Achilles is himself not like an undying plant since he will soon die, the song of Achilles is indeed aphthiton in both senses of the word - undying and unwilting. The question concerned the song and not the man. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1080551 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RickFlynn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T15:50:03Z IndexTAG: 11 TitleTAG: [From Staff] Discussion of Hour 4 Question Set In an effort to promote learning and interaction around the assessments, we are creating a thread for each question set and close reading exercise. Please use this thread to discuss the question set from Hour 4. The purpose of this thread is to generate further intellectual community among our members and to promote discussion of content. If you have technical issues with a question set or close reading exercise set, please post those concerns in the general Discussion. Leonard Muellner, Chair of the Board of Readers Claudia Filos, Editor of Content and Social Media UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T00:52:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 13 TitleTAG: PROF. NAGY SHARES "Strangeness and Lento," a thread begun by tristandestry and members of Briseis Dear all, A participant from Briseis has offered some fantastic ideas about strangeness, beauty, and connection. Professor Nagy and the Board of Readers have asked that I open this discussion up to the whole community. We are very interested in seeing how this develops, and we invite you to participate in the discussion within your own cohorts. Below are screenshots of the posts in the original discussion thread. (The use of screenshots allows me to preserve the nesting of comments and replies.) We hope you all join in! Best, Claudia Filos P.S. 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I have delved into Homer and The Iliad using the fast reading approach. (Although I did not know there was a scholarly name for it) I have taken the literary pieces as a whole allowing them to absorb into my inner being, altering my view of the present day. I knew I was overlooking metaphors and true meaning of the era but felt it more important to allow an understanding to evolve that I didn't quite understand. It enhanced the mystery of being immersed into a world not my own. Now I shall be looking at the literary art with new eyes and new understanding. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1385126 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stephjeffcoat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T01:09:48Z SecondChildTAG: I was amazed at how "modern" *The Iliad* is. When we read a synopsis, these actions and ideas seem very foreign, but when we read *The Iliad* itself, most of the psychology and motives are explained on the spot. I will now have to try this "slow reading" thing to see what I have been missing! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 927853 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Donna18 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T02:30:29Z FirstChildTAG: Interesting discussion. I particularly like Rafael's point about **creating** understanding. The metaphor of goldworking is just right - it's a creative art, not just a matter of watching or even admiring the work of others. Given the range of backgrounds here, I suspect we'll end up creating all sorts of different Homers, Sapphos, etc. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T16:00:47Z SecondChildTAG: What then is the difference between *reading out of the text* and *reading into the text* given that they both create an understanding (or misunderstanding)? I recall vaguely some statement by (about?) *Michaelangelo* to the effect that what he was doing in his sculpture was releasing the statue that was already there hidden in the marble. He may have felt that way, but do we believe him? Didn't he just create the statue *de novo*? If we do a slow, touching-the-words reading and feel that we have somehow released into our world a meaning hidden in the text, how can we tell the difference between that and merely releasing a meaning hidden in us? How can we listen if that in us won't stop talking? Hal R. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T16:58:35Z SecondChildTAG: Hello everyone! I think people understand poetry with their hearts even if their minds can't understand it completely. Heart needs time to receive the message hidden in the words by the poet. Every word in a poem is precious and has its special significance to communicate the message that the poet wants to deliver. Slow and careful reading gives time to the heart to understand it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T17:29:28Z SecondChildTAG: Now that is a thought. In your message the Homeric writings seem to be likened to the piece of marble, or are they a perfectly formed statue for readers to 'view'? I feel, possibly erroneously(?), that your two last questions are unanswerable, but that we can only try to open ourselves to what is within the words without reference to that which is within ourselves...to enter into the mind of Homer unburdened by our own worldly prejudices. Personally I am going to be practicing Mindfulness before every reading to be in the present moment as much as I can be, to release my other thoughts and 'life noise' from myself ...to become a blank canvas on which Homer's writings can, with the help of new insight, be illustrated. Apologies for strained metaphors...a failing I have. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1383321 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sunriseaura SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T17:34:27Z SecondChildTAG: When Michelangelo was a lad just beginning to learn his art, he spent a lot of time in the household of the great Florentine prince and patron, Lorenzo il Magnifico. The rediscovery of Greek literature by Western Europeans was in the air, and so Lorenzo cultivated the interest in Plato, and other philosophers in the Platonic tradition, that friends of his such as Marsilio Ficino were developing. In that context, the young Michelangelo may have heard this passage read, from the works of the great Neoplatonist of the 2nd cent. CE, Plotinus: "How then can you see the sort of beauty a good soul has? Go back into yourself and look; and if you do not yet see yourself beautiful, then, just as someone making a statue which has to be beautiful cuts away here and polishes there and makes one part smooth and clears another till he has given his statue a beautiful face, so you too must cut away excess and straighten the crooked and clear the dark and make it bright, and never stop 'working on your statue' till the divine glory of virtue shines out on you, till you see 'self-mastery enthroned upon its holy seat.'" (Enneads 1.6.9, "On Beauty"; trans. A.H. Armstrong. Plotinus in turn quotes Plato in the "Phaedrus," 252D7 and 254B7.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1316963 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CanisCandida SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T17:38:11Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for that. That quotation has made me unexplainedly emotional. I am going to print it off and have it before me as I enter into this course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1383321 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sunriseaura SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T17:51:15Z SecondChildTAG: Beautiful quote .... thank you SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1356131 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nikomachi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T20:02:44Z SecondChildTAG: In reference to the question by hriggs, "what is the difference between reading out of the text and reading into the text," ... my understanding is that reading into the text means simply, _reading_ the text. As Leo Strauss famously said, "The problem inherent in the surface of things, and only in the surface of things, is the heart of things." In other words, just read the text--the answer is there. Reading _out_ of the text is the act of seeing yourself in the text and applying meaning that may or may not be there. For example, the scholar and translator, Allan Bloom, severely criticized H.D.P. Lee's opinion that "the translator must _go behind_ what Plato says and _discover_ what he means"--in other words, read out of the text. When Bloom translated Plato's Republic, his goal was to be as faithful to the original as possible, even if it meant delivering a translation that lacked in beauty, so that _the reader_ could decide what Plato meant. He (seemingly) despised Lee for believing that if Plato uses the expression, "the beautiful and the good," the translator "must not hesitate to render this as 'discussing moral values' if," said Lee, "that is in fact the way in which the same thought would be expressed today". But, Bloom explains, "in Plato there are no moral virtues, as we find them first described in Aristotle's Ethics." He continues, "this is a subtle question, one that requires long study, but one that leads to the heart of the difference between Plato and Aristotle." A translator (and reader), such as Lee (and another guy named Cornford), could never come to such a conclusion because for him, who reads out of the text, "the text becomes a mirror in which he sees only himself." Cheers, Genghis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T05:00:32Z SecondChildTAG: Pardon me, I have these backwards--reading into the text is to apply your own meaning and reading out of the text is simply _reading_ the text (slowly and closely). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T13:49:07Z SecondChildTAG: Hello everyone; It is a very good discussion forum. Let me give my poor opinion as I still ignore a lot about literature but I understand that *reading into a text* is just to translate the text codes to a colloquial or formal language according to the situation, but *reading out of the text* is to interpret the feelings the author wishes to send to us, the readers. Thanks in advance for all the comments or corrections you can share. Lety. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1420826 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lety-Guerrero SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T23:39:49Z SecondChildTAG: The Michaelangelo story reminds me of the advice of all the sculptors I have known (including my wife): touch the sculpture. Visual observation deprives you of an element of the message. I knew a famous sculptor who, before she died, became blind yet continued her work. People always wondered how it was possible to sculpt when "blind". Her fingers were her eyes. Ajax SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1369587 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ajaxthetall SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T14:13:00Z FirstChildTAG: In his "Advice to Students" statement, Nagy indicates at the end of §4a that > [w]e see here [in Nietzsche's *lento* as goldsmithery passage] an example of reading out of the text instead of reading into the text (I will define these terms in §8.)” and encourages us that > If [we] do not understand something as [we] are reading it for the first time, [then we should] just move on. The ancient texts [we] are reading give [us] many chances to "get it," even if [we] cannot seem to "get it" the first time around (§4b). In other words, reading *into* the text—"trying to apprehend the meaning which immediately evades or eludes us" (Kevin McGrath)—perhaps violates it in some way, but "moving on" through the ancient texts, the reader's being *in time* with the art (in this case the Greek literature), experiencing its nouns, the subjects and verbs of its clauses, beholding the structure of what was made thousands of years ago, and patiently witnessing the texts unfold the pattern of their concepts—all of these ways of contacting the Barfieldian "strangeness" and "feeling" the art with what Keats called "negative capability" makes us humanist slow reading artists of the 21st century in the digital age of the MOOC! Think of the *Venetus A* and how many times readers have opened it "with delicate [and not so delicate] fingers and eyes." The aesthetic imagination must read the same way, lest we would figuratively wither its pages, blast its ink, crack its spine, and in trying to understand it, consume its beauty rather than behold the way it makes itself beautiful. ("We murder to dissect," as Wordsworth warns.) I suppose I have a Romantic view of the art work and the reader's relation to it, and I am reminded of E. E. Cummings's "somewhere i have never travelled, gladly beyond" (1931), which we may read as yet another version of Nietzsche's humanist philology, in which the first-person singular "I" represents the slow reader who addresses in second person "you" in a love poem to art itself: >somewhere i have never travelled, gladly beyond any experience, your eyes have their silence: in your most frail gesture are things which enclose me, or which i cannot touch because they are too near > your slightest look easily will unclose me though i have closed myself as fingers, you open always petal by petal myself as Spring opens (touching skilfully, mysteriously) her first rose > or if your wish be to close me, i and my life will shut very beautifully, suddenly, as when the heart of this flower imagines the snow carefully everywhere descending; > nothing which we are to perceive in this world equals the power of your intense fragility: whose texture compels me with the color of its countries, rendering death and forever with each breathing > (i do not know what it is about you that closes and opens; only something in me understands the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses) nobody, not even the rain, has such small hands Tristan FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896974 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T18:09:43Z SecondChildTAG: There is a wonderful documentary on YouTube about the recent project to digitize the Venetus A manuscript of the Iliad. I highly recommend watching it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Joannaroo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T19:09:12Z SecondChildTAG: Joannaroo, I know! that's precisely what inspired me! TS SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T19:22:43Z SecondChildTAG: I watced this documentary about the conservation of the valuable manuscripte of Homer's ILIAD...amazing work!!! Thank you joannaroo for share that Greetings from Greece Evangelia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 SecondChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T17:52:56Z SecondChildTAG: Great documentary!!!Very informative!I liked it too. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331990 SecondChildUserNameTAG: meniakour SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T23:41:49Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Joannaroo and Tristandestry for the video details. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T13:44:20Z FirstChildTAG: The contact with great, genuine art causes a deep and intense feeling such of a strike in the eyes, the heart, as if someone or something takes your breath away. Mind stays still, wondering of the experience, trying to understand it. Time is the necessary companion for this journey that leads us from our inner world up to the meeting point with the inner world of the artist. Slowness is a demand in advance. Thank you all for sharing your thoughts. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1331092 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stiliani FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T18:13:06Z SecondChildTAG: stiliani I love this: "Time is the necessary companion for this journey that leads us from our inner world up to the meeting point with the inner world of the artist." Tristan SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T18:21:44Z SecondChildTAG: William Blake said that "Eternity is in love with the productions of time," stiliani, and we contact eternity in slow reading, don't we? Tristan SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T18:32:32Z SecondChildTAG: to acquaint oneself with the spirit of the words one must first penetrate the skin. underneath the color, the diction and the embellishment breathes the soul of the work. and as you put it " time is the necessary companion for this journey.. ". SecondChildUserIdTAG: 915130 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mrieenal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T19:20:32Z SecondChildTAG: Stendhal Syndrome... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T19:49:41Z SecondChildTAG: Ha, that's hilarious. Did not know about Stendhal Syndrome! Tristan SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T19:51:32Z SecondChildTAG: Haha! Glad to contribute! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T20:11:45Z SecondChildTAG: Didn't know about Stendhal Syndrome. Wonderfully pungent comment! Here's a link to an article in the Telegraph. The link is self-explanatory: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/7914746/Scientists-investigate-Stendhal-Syndrome-fainting-caused-by-great-art.html SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935479 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T02:36:39Z SecondChildTAG: I think it's the mark of all great work, literary or otherwise, to have an immediate impact that only grows richer and richer as it is revisited and reexamined. The instant connection is the spark, the deep reading the flames, the effect inside of us the embers. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1232183 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ApollosCrow SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:51:42Z SecondChildTAG: Tristan, you are well versed in literary matters and I look forward to reading your posts. I want to comment from the "penetrate the skin" notion by mrieenal rearranging the concept to the physical in the format of time. Clocks were created somewhere in the middle of the 13c. (Back to big and small metal from my post below) I think it's interesting if not significant. Large public timepieces were made by big metal craftsmen - blacksmiths, locksmiths etc. When pocket watches were invented and became popular, they were luxury items made by goldsmiths. It will be interesting to see if rough pounding (as William Blake the printer) meshes with the delicacy of the goldsmith's touch (Blake the poet). The Iliad and Odyssey seems to have both brute force and fine crafting in order to get the message across, as it were. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:03:40Z SecondChildTAG: Hello, all! Very much enjoying this discussion. Poetry, art and music all have the potential to overwhelm our senses, to pull us out of ourselves and to make us feel every emotion and action as though it was our own. Sometimes it is because we recognize our own experiences or emotions within the work, and sometimes it is because we want to feel something we've never felt, but only imagined. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 914394 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T03:14:48Z SecondChildTAG: I am wondering if there are any artists in the cohorts? When I am creating a drawing, sculpture, story, 'time' ceases and I am in another place. There is a connection to the work that is transformative and I do not want to break the link. Does anyone recognise this state of being? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T13:51:45Z FirstChildTAG: There seems to be a tension in this discussion between "understanding with the heart" and the rigorous analysis of text. Is this part of the difference in fast reading, moving on, and slow reading? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T19:33:09Z SecondChildTAG: The suggested reading, Discovery Procedures and Principles for Homeric Research, seems to me to emphasize careful, inductive reasoning as the approach to Homer. Logic is used to study the texts. The beauty, grandeur and emotional impact of the epics is not in question, but the approach presented in that paper is technical and logical. This analysis is clearly not possible for one who does not read the original, but I hope that our analysis of the translation will approach this. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T01:51:14Z SecondChildTAG: The previous version of the 24Hours contains precise and elaborate translations. This makes up for reading the original excerpts, and you can analyze it as if you were reading the original. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T18:07:51Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you. That is exactly what I hope for. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T19:29:23Z SecondChildTAG: Dear PricillaN, Professor Nagy has included key terms (transliterated into English from the ancient Greek) so you really can do what Professor Muellner models in his Discovery Procedures and Principles for Homeric Research paper. That's why we suggest that everyone use the translations that we provide. I hope you have fun!! Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T02:33:40Z FirstChildTAG: There is a very nice essay by Patricia Kain of Harvard University Writing Center entitled "[How to Do a Close Reading][1] which I have used with beginner students from time to time. I recommend it, not as a justification of the practice (though it does that too) but as a clear demonstration of what we need to do if we are to go from that first wonder-inducing reading to full understanding. Here is her conclusion: > ...as we proceed, paying close attention to the evidence, asking questions, formulating interpretations, we engage in a process that is central to essay writing and to the whole academic enterprise: in other words, we reason toward our own ideas. [1]: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~wricntr/documents/CloseReading.html FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T20:00:48Z SecondChildTAG: "paying close attention to the evidence, asking questions, formulating interpretations" - exactly. And we shouldn't think that all out ideas are well-founded. Most of them will be discarded when other evidence is found. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T18:09:55Z SecondChildTAG: I love thinking about the idea quoted in Kain's essay that "in the world of a spider we(humans)don't exist." This essay is worth reading to clarify the concept of close reading!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Joannaroo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T20:08:21Z FirstChildTAG: gratified that Barfield could be mentioned in a post without a sneer from "reading in" the academy. pleased that reading practice is itself a topic--slow, close, deep, fast, etc.--and that sincerity of emotion and thought comes through. The pathos of Romanticism coincides with the theft of Grecian artefacts; the fingers, slow or otherwise quick(Keats' "This Living Hand")touch both text and elgin marble. Historians make much of the irrecoverable break with the "past" but what Greek term/word would connect with the yearning for "artistic" understanding beyond the present moment? arete, no. then what? is there a "word" for this? Festina Lente I suspect the pace (Who has time for this, etc.) reflects a 20th century alteration of our sense of time itself. Nietzsche's slow reading philology resonates precisely because modernism(futurists anyone? beulah beulah anyone?)has had to cope with the shattering of the continuity of tradition(eliot's essay T&IT). I wonder if Prof Nagy or any of the staff/team would weigh in on how they think(feel?)Greeks of the time would have read with their ears and eyes--in otherwords what might they have attended to that we would not at first? Speculation to be sure, but Enquiring mindfuls want to know. Cautionary Tale: Hawthorne's "Artist of the Beautiful"? Phaedrus as warning? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 FirstChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T21:22:31Z SecondChildTAG: Magnificent post, johnnyb3! Tristan SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T21:31:25Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for prescient writing as paragraph 45 in understanding greek poetry reading addresses with "theory" and "spectators" the issue/warning of the rhapsode I brought up. Going to Ion is of course right; Phaedrus reiterates the warning i think. as "spectators" in a course or at a greek festival of homeric "reading" I'm groping(literally) for a feeling of on balance were these threnos-laden songs joyful or sorrowful. Or more precisely, what is at stake when your autobiography mirror is rife with sadness(I liked the point in paragraph 31 though I hope Prof and company will tease out the dizzying "mirroring" in the present of a type of the past or in relation to "mimesis")? maybe a Gordon Teskey-like(or Girardian?) allegorical violence(the "birth of allegory"?)? my parentheses reveal my thoughts are still a bit garbled....so, QUESTION: If the Anger of Achilles is clearly the "topic" and we as spectators tend to "respond" more to Hector, what has happened to us that we no longer see this obvious point(theory,theater,etc.), and is it possible that the heroic task of the reader IS(was?)impossibly to RESIST Hector and find our way to DESIRING the stance of Achilles, even with all its anger and hate, thereby becoming "heroic" in our self and becoming able to hate our enemy FREELY as perhaps the greeks had to do, or thought they did? An insidious thought to be sure but one that gnaws at me. Is this too 21st century precious an outlook as we perhaps pacific-ally balk from "Dr. Strangeness; or how I learned to love to hate my enemy?" SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:08:47Z FirstChildTAG: I am curious to know, as we go along, how our fellow students for whom English is not their first language, will interpret the Emglish translations of the texts, especially as it relates to imprinting one's cultural experience on the passages. Is there anyone who can share on his or her experience? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 949308 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CSMBSMU FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T23:04:21Z SecondChildTAG: I am Greek and Iam as curious as you are. I will read ancient greek texts translated in english! I think this won't be a problem. My main problem is that I can't express myself well in english and every time i do it I'm afraid of mistakes or of mot being well understood. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T07:54:26Z SecondChildTAG: You express yourself very well in English. I read one of your earlier comments and assumed that it was your birth language and that you were well educated. I can't even order a beer in Greek. I suspect that your ability to comprehend the text both in Greek and English will outweigh any disadvantage that you think you have. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1107954 SecondChildUserNameTAG: WaylandSmith SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T10:17:51Z SecondChildTAG: I am also a Greek and I am afraid I will read the texts in greek and not in their english translation. I don't mean to show myself as an arrogant fool, but since I have this opportunity, why not? (Unless it is forbidden by the Board of examiners.) I don't know for sure. Any help or advice? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331092 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stiliani SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T13:26:53Z SecondChildTAG: Hungarian here, will read in Hungarian, English, and if serious clashes happen, the Greek. Will treat the English text as if it were the Greek original anyway. This includes the minute descriptions, and cross-references. I think this is the approach we are expected to keep up. Or, someone please enlighten me. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T18:26:00Z SecondChildTAG: So interesting to see these replies! To "Justagirl," I think you are correct in your approach. To our Greek friends, is there great emphasis in your schools on these texts? They were standard for my secondary education, though I am not sure this is the case any longer. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 949308 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CSMBSMU SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T20:39:02Z SecondChildTAG: Greeks are taught Iliad and Odyssey during High School years, not the ancient greek texts though. Pupils of the Elementary School are taught greek mythology. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T14:55:26Z SecondChildTAG: I am Greek, but as I see it, reading into the text means to grasp concepts. The concepts may lead you to elaborate further. I hope I helped. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331990 SecondChildUserNameTAG: meniakour SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T23:48:01Z FirstChildTAG: Brilliant posts, everyone. One simpler question on my mind: we are going on and on about reading slow or fast, but as some have mentioned already, shouldn't any reading of Homeric texts or the plays of the later great dramatists be first of all read aloud? They were, after all, meant for performance and I wonder whether there isn't something sheer physical, indeed tactile, in the sound of the words and the power of actual story-*telling*. In other words, start with the physical, emotional (and, I suppose quick) approach, and then slow down and take it inside, in silence. This is the way we work in the theatre. The first day of rehearsal is invariably a loud reading of the text by all actors in the presence of all the participants (including technicians, sponsors, etc.), before any explanations or discussions have taken place. I think this is the moment when we are still free, unprejudiced and naive enough to experience and transmit a sense of wonder. Only then, usually a day later, does the so-called "work at the table" start, i.e. the days or weeks of discussions on the meaning of the text, the many layers, subtext, interpretations, reading "in", etc., before the actors actually get on stage and try out the situations. This issue of recitation poses the question of translation which, at its best, ought to have the sheer physical strength of great poetry and literature. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T23:04:34Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique, I am going to learn much from you. Me thinks there is genius there. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T00:49:33Z SecondChildTAG: Being read to has always been an important part of my life. It frequently gives new insight and always gives much pleasure. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T03:53:35Z SecondChildTAG: Being read to and... reading to :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T08:04:59Z SecondChildTAG: I had the same thought reading the last post. Reading aloud may be another way of "feeling" the text which may capture something subtle and possibly temper the tendency to read into the text as well...an excellent experiment I think! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 642338 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Shaif59 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T16:50:35Z SecondChildTAG: You make a very interesting point. How to interact with a text that initially took shape as oral epic, was then transcribed (and through transcription immobilized and artefactualized, so to speak), and finally retranscribed in a number of translations. The performance lens you suggest is intriguing. Merci! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1027744 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexia_M SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T17:44:18Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique, this is also the standard approach to translating an unknown text. First read it, don't go into details, get an overall picture. This picture is sure to have some mistakes. Second, analyze it logically, and prove that you have translated it right, word by word, grammar checked, word order fairly normal. Third, sleep on it. Forget the original text. Read the translated text and arrange the words so that they not only express the dictionary meaning, but the meaning, air and intention of the whole story. Put the stresses, tones and lilt into the sentences. Go back to the original text and put the tones, lilt and stresses in. Is it credible? Good, Real? Then maybe you translated it right. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T18:38:20Z SecondChildTAG: Absolutely fascinating, Justagirl - thanks for this description. What a work and how enriching:a wonderful profession. Translation is always interesting, actually, even in an exceedingly humbler framework: I tend to translate my own work as an exercise, to check any weaknesses: it forces me to approach a text in a totally different way and any problems (lack of clarity, redundance, etc.) tend to stand out. A question: one of the difficulties of translating, I find - and I am speaking here of modern texts and languages, which are obviously easier than what you do - is that languages breathe differently, think differently and, if they are spoken, "move" differently. A language, for me, is (also) a mixture of all this: breath (which has to do with rhythm and the length of a thought process); thought itself, which can develop, for example, logically and in small causal chunks like in French, or move freely between a begining and a more or less distant end like in German; and body language/position of the tongue and palate, very important, which has a bearing on... everything. While you could say that Italian, French and Spanish are obviously close, their oral energy is entireley different: Spanish is quick and comes from the stomach, Italian is soft and, swinging and needs hands, French is a mixture of long and short syllables on very few notes, quite brainy. And different body(mouth movement as well as breath also explain the huge difference between the various kinds of English: standard British, Irish, American, etc.: I think this influences the very way we write. In fact, the translations of my own texts end up not being translations at all but an entirely different texts, (with the same meaning of course.) So it is important that translators understand these physical verbal aspects. I'm not sure whether I'm making myself clear here, but what I would like to know is: does this apply to ancient languages? Does orality, and how we think the Greeks moved, breathed and so on, play a role in the translation? I suppose not, because we probably know too little about Greek rethoric anyway. Please ignore this post if it makes no sense :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T20:04:03Z SecondChildTAG: Oh dear, this latest post is way too long, sorry! (But one can't edit or delete answers, at least I haven't managed.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T20:15:04Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Dominique, Your description of the experience of speaking different languages is amazing. (So I am actually glad that you couldn't shorten or delete your post here!) Although I have studied various ancient and modern languages I am not that good at it (or at least have not had the immersive context to make the learning effective) and so, sadly, have not experienced what you describe so insightfully. I do remember (when taking a single Homeric Greek class many years ago) that our teacher brought in a famous (elderly and white haired) Irish Homeric scholar (I don't know his hame) as a guest lecturer and he demonstrated Homer's epic hexameter *by chanting and dancing* (!) around us as he spoke the opening lines of the Illiad in Greek. So I suppose that sensitivity to sound, the feeling of sound, rhythm, and motion is probably essential to hearing Homer (even when trying to hear the poems by reading them). And the Greeks, lucky them, experienced them as sacred-holiday spoken performances. There seems to be a complete YouTube audio series with Ian McKellen speaking Robert Fagles' Odyssey, but the Illiad does not seem to be freely available. I, and I am sure many of us, appreciate greatly your posts, so, if anything, lengthen rather than shorten them! All the best Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T02:20:46Z SecondChildTAG: Well, that's really kind of you, Hal, and I appreciate this encouragement from my favourite co-student: an occasion to thank you for your extremely interesting and wise posts. (I have wondered what your background is.) As for languages, I can assure you that the best way to learn fast and well is to understand how to breathe and move (which will also help you place your tongue in the right position, a major element in getting the accent right). You will feel like a native, gain confidence and that foreign language will lose its *strangeness*, which is a *wonderful* experience :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T06:53:40Z SecondChildTAG: My background: I teach physics and computer science at a community college outside of Boston; my daughter is a dancer (ballet, contemporary, jazz). I have not seen any new discussion posts for several hours, so something is either wrong with the discussion board or my account. Apart from old posts and *the threads I am following* I seem to be lost at sea with only one other person (porfyrus) in the whole course. If I make a post the heading indicates group *Meleagros* (Oh no, I miss the *Briseis* cohort). Here is a copy a post you might enjoy (since you might not otherwise have access): I am responding to my lone companion's question (him responding to Nagy): *So, in what sense could we say that fingers are prior to the eyes, whereas "fingers" and "eyes" are trying to grasp ideas...?"* *about 7 hours ago* My response: Hi porfyrus, I think we are assigned cohorts. Don't you see This post visible only to Group Meleagros. above your post? I am a refugee from the Briseis cohort. I think there is something wrong with the discussion board, and I feel a little like Odysseus, lost at sea, missing my former home! For the past couple of weeks there has been a continuous stream of new posts every few minutes, but we seem to be castaways in time with no new posts for hours, as far as I can tell. I think Professor Nagy puts fingers first because of the goldsmith metaphor: emphasizing that slow, close reading requires touching the words gently one by one while the eye only approaches them from afar and does not produce the intimate experience needed to make contact with the life in the text. Let's keep a look-out for land! Hal R Anyway, Dominique, if you have any insight on what is happening, let me know! Message in a bottle, so to speak! Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T10:12:25Z SecondChildTAG: Hey Hal, many thanks for this new post. I am distressed that you are not with us and can only encourage and beg you to keep intervening in the discussions you follow, including this one, so that we remain in contact. I believe you are active in quite a few threads, so we will manage to circumvent the communication obstacles, not to say ban. So you are a scientist who loves literature, while I am a writer deeply interested in science. No wonder we have something to say to each other. At the moment my focus is more on biology, particularly bioethics. But I am fascinated the new worlds revealed to us by physics - I am a great fan of the CERN in Geneva, by the way, and was lucky to be guided through it a couple times. Astrophysics is of course a major inspiration and is becoming more and more an artistic discipline. As Hawking says, a theory is good if it is elegant... Our findings on the myseries of the universe and its origin are, to me at least, incomprehensible, so that I need to approach the field through intuition, imagination as well as a sense for beauty and harmony, rather than with my logical understanding. As for computers, all I can say is that my laptop has become an indispensable *alter ego* but that I unfortunately understand very little about the mechanics and systems. I keep wishing to fill that knowledge vacuum but haven't done any progress yet. I will do my best *not* to post a comment every few minutes: inspiring as these discussions have turned out to be, forcing me to think and improvise (I am not an academic and hardly ever have a ready answer for any of the topics we have touched upon), I also see the wicked witch of procrastination rising in me again... Anyway: I firmly count on continuing our pleasant exchange here over the next weeks. Best, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T10:46:29Z SecondChildTAG: I was also moved out of Briseis, in my case to Melikertes. It has been quiet indeed, but more people seem to be appearing. It seems that if you can see any post by a person you can click on their name and get to all the conversations that they have joined. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T15:09:29Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks PriscillaN! Even though you are in *Melikertes* and I am in *Meleagros* I can see your active threads my clicking on your name. However, sometimes I cannot see other people. Perhaps you need to have started an active thread? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:12:02Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, Dominique, I feel the same way! And I do hope you can convert the creative energy gained from this course into progress on your novel. Teaching at a community college in any subject is as much about interacting with people as it is about the subject (for me at least). I think learning anything important always comes about in the context of human interactions (including physics). The reason, I think, is that learning anything important involves reorganizing and changing who we are (often at a quite profound level), and the only way to escape (move beyond) our old selves is via the lure of other selves, other people. I have found all these conversations and explorations truly wonderful, they help me become open to change and the possibility of creating something new. In a profound sense the way you approach physics is much closer to the way actual physicists approach the real frontier problems of the field than one might realize! I recently read Robert Bellah's *Religion in Human Evolution: From the Paleolithic to the Axial Age* and it is relevant as background (but *now* only if you could go back in time like Hermione and read it last summer: its over 700 academic pages) He considers Ancient India, China, Greece, and Israel. He spent a year or so immersed in each region and, while a secular sociologist, he regretted having to move on; he felt the human ideas he encountered were, in some sense all, true or valid. Here is the quote I am trying to introduce: *"the acceleration of cultural change ... has threatened to cut us loose from history altogether. ....* (But) *No past, no future: it's that simple. One might also say, no present either. Cultural vacuum."* So, I think the enterprise of this course, and others like it, is rather crucial. So on to our close readings, on to our past! Yes, wishing you all the best, Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T22:02:13Z SecondChildTAG: Yes! Great point. Besides reviving the original oral tradition of the era, reading any poetry aloud can reveal things that go unnoticed on the flatness of the page. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1232183 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ApollosCrow SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T22:05:25Z SecondChildTAG: Beautiful, Hal. I have to tell you that my thinking about life in all its aspects received a huge impulse a few years ago, when the Swiss Academy of Natural Sciences asked me to write a play for Darwin's bicentennial in november 2009. I spent most of 2008 and 2009 working closely with the scientists of the academy and diving deep into what evolution is really about, with its profound resonance on so many levels: scientific, philosophical, religious... It was an overwhelming time and ever since, every aspect of life appears to me entirely Darwinian: life consisting of a permanent exchange of energy, permanent adaptation, permanent transformation in order to keep one's form from birth till death (which could be define as a loss of form: without a body, we are al over the place again, aren't we?) Anyway, I won't develop this any further here, but you can see how deeply I relate to what you say. It's all about exchange. Bellah's work sounds fascinating and I will surely get to read it at some point - no time now, though. I so agree with his/your comments on past-present-future. I never imagined that this course would find amateurs all around the planet. It fills me with optimism and wonder. Let's keep this thread alive, best, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T22:27:54Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Dominique, I shall miss your awesome posts. Thank you for all the encouragement to me. You will be missed. I am now a Pelops. Seems like a good fit for me. Still very quiet there. I felt there was something special about you and all of your posts bear witness my feelings were correct. You take care and give'em heck. I really will miss you and all the encouragement you give to everyone. Later Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T04:49:29Z SecondChildTAG: Well, Hal here has figured out how to circumvent the laws: click someone's name and you enter all the discussions they take part in, which you can then "follow", opening the gate for good. So let's keep in touch. I will regularly click your name and those of other emigrants. i hope you'll come and find me in Briseis, for example here, in a new thread entitled "Hour zero: Death and Morality": https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum#i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/514066546195892b000002c1 I hope it works! (Hal says you often get an error 404 alert and just have to keep trying: sooner or later you get where you want). Meet you again soon, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:37:53Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Dominique! I don't know if you'll read this, since we're in different cohorts, but I so agree with your idea of reading the texts aloud. I believe that any text that was originally orally performed, be it Homer or Shakespeare, should be read aloud first. I also do a lot of work in the theatre, and I always find something that first read-through that I never noticed, reading it silently. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 914394 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T03:24:25Z SecondChildTAG: Hey Sphinxyvic, yes I did read this and will try to find your posts:-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T10:28:43Z SecondChildTAG: Can one pull comments out the way the heroes do spears in the Iliad. I am struck by the obvious that none of the pieces I have read so far have referred directly to the translated text of the Iliad. At the moment, I feel like a butcher among surgeons. wh SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 SecondChildUserNameTAG: whaskett SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T20:05:44Z FirstChildTAG: @dcaillat I agree, I’ve been listening to the Iliad on Audiobook after reading the initial Hour 0/1 material and It’s a totally different experience. After listening to Book I, with reference to Achilles & Agamemnon's dispute, I was stirred by the exchange, it really is meant to be performed I feel. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1369194 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zaaron FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T23:42:03Z SecondChildTAG: It's called agon(ἀγών)or simply a contest. You'll find it all over in later dramas where both "opponents" make very strong arguments. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1117769 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KyuLee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T00:12:59Z SecondChildTAG: Exactly. Cheers, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T00:14:54Z SecondChildTAG: Zaaron, which translation do you use? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T00:55:08Z SecondChildTAG: @dcaillat I've just finished Book I, The Fitzgerald Translation.. I was also wondering how the English translation may effect tempo of the dialog from Greek? @KyuLee, Thanks for the info... Very Greek, a dialectic approach. I find Achilles struggle between passion and reason very symbolic of the Greek culture of the time.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1369194 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zaaron SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T01:55:16Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, and that struggle became typical of so much of the later European drama (less so in non-theatrical work). Paticularly French 17th century tragedies (Corneille, Racine). Thanks for translation tip, Zaaron. CHeers, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T06:57:07Z SecondChildTAG: I am sorry guys, I would also like to read this hour 0 and hour 1 but I cant find it. Please enlighten me! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T19:24:23Z SecondChildTAG: I think they are available somewhere (for example in the facebook groups related to the course), but I will personnally wait for the official beginning of the class on Wednesday, and work with the latest versions provided to us. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T20:06:38Z SecondChildTAG: @Sofiakam Only a day to wait now but if you want to familiarise yourself with the pdf online the link is below.. Link to download the first 8 hours of "The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours" http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/fall2011_fas_dce/notes_fall11/NagyAncientGreekHero24Hours_first8hrs_2011-10-02.pdf SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1369194 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zaaron SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T23:37:55Z FirstChildTAG: A very interesting read, indeed! I agree with Eliot and the others as in: "great art communicates before it's understood". Most importantly, I think it helps to show how admiring art is not passive. If it was we would not even be captivated by it before we understood it - which may not even happen in the most strict definition of the word. The study of the work and criticism shows its importance too. They help us, in addition to the slow reading and similar habits, to comprehend not only what's the artist is wanting to show but what we need to see. Art is a dialogue, I think. The author, of course, prepares the "setting" and the "subjects" but it's still up to us to follow the conversation and take it to new paths. Here's an interesting initiative that has some similarities with our discussion. http://www.slowartday.com/ Hope you like it, Daniel. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1261713 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Danisab FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T00:23:08Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, the link is helpful to think of art (as in this body of work called the “Iliad”) as having its own life (inscape as Hopkins called it) and then becoming internal in its readers (*instress*). He goes on to explain that *inscape* is found through close examination. “Instress ties the perceived and the perceiver together. Hopkins saw instress as the organizing principle by which a thing outward and objective becomes a thing inward and subjective.” (Ballinger, Poem As Sacrament) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T01:13:15Z SecondChildTAG: Hampgal! Hopkins! The instress-inscape reader-text relation! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T16:23:25Z SecondChildTAG: Apologies in advance if Hopkins' ideas are overused. I know that Venetus A has powerful inscape--from watching the video. Do you think the text/translation itself can be perceived as having this inner landscape or essence? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T17:27:15Z SecondChildTAG: Why, yes, of course, how could it not? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T18:15:05Z SecondChildTAG: Well, the text itself is not an object (like the physical manuscript), which is to what Hopkins was referring to as having inscape, but I wonder if the authors (& translators) created something with a life of its own. We know it will change us as we absorb (no, apprehend) its inscape and thereby it creates instress in us, the readers. So I’m asking, does the text itself stand as an object? It makes a difference if I read with the understanding and intent that I will be altered by the assimilation of the text. We could say we won’t be the same after the reading as before. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T22:13:40Z FirstChildTAG: ...this might not add any value, but here goes: Is the absorption of art a potential pathway to **sustained** happiness? Is there an assumption that art is a reflection of society/culture? If that assumption holds, does/can ART induce MEDITATION/ABSORPTION (in this context via slow reading?), which can induce QUESTIONING, which can induce UNDERSTANDING, which can induce EMPATHY, which can induce HAPPINESS? So can art induce both immediate appreciation/gratification and sustained happiness (and/or reduction of suffering)? This could be a bizarre journey. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1338650 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Francis_Folger FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T00:28:06Z SecondChildTAG: 1. *potential* pathway: yes. 2. Yes! 3. It *can*. But the idea that a love and understanding of the arts necessarily creates empathy has been sadly proven wrong, again and again. (The example that springs to mind is that of the cultured, music loving SS officers ordering mass killings and supervising death camps.) 4. Again, yes, with a strong emphasis on the word "can"... Speaking of WWII, there is the well-known example of the Terezin ghetto/concentration camp near Prague, which was, in part, used for propaganda purposes and where inmates were, to a certain extent, allowed to pursue artistic and academic activities. As a result, there were up to ten performances (concerts, theatre, opera, etc.) and/or lectures every evening in a ghetto of less than a square mile. This amazing cultural hyperactivity famously helped the inmates to retain a sense of dignity, to keep their hope alive, and to experience moments of happiness in the midst of death and fear. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T08:44:50Z SecondChildTAG: In the labor camp in Recsk, there was a little group of people, who made an one-hour session every night about whatever they knew. People who did attend diligently, were more probable to survive. It wasn't even official or allowed, but gave strength to people. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T18:43:47Z SecondChildTAG: Absolutely. It was an enormous help to the victims and there are heartening stories. It didn't make the perpetrators more human or civilized though, something I have never been able to understand. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T20:10:27Z SecondChildTAG: Do you think the perpetrators might have been able to change behavior if they were adept at slow reading text to the point they could use similar contemplative/meditative skill in reading the behavior of people? If we move through life too fast can we become blind? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1338650 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Francis_Folger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T21:03:33Z SecondChildTAG: No. Let's please not mix up things here. The holocaust has nothing to do with slow and fast reading, or art. It has to do with deliberate dehumanization and the industrial murder of millions. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T22:04:08Z SecondChildTAG: Stepping back from the holocaust and just focusing on very bad behavior---if people trained from an early age to slow down, to meditate, to be aware, to be able to "read" behavior is it possible very bad behavior might be curbed? Is it possible the ability to empathize could be enhanced? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1338650 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Francis_Folger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T22:50:57Z SecondChildTAG: I think meditation - another way of describing slow reading - is a great practice for each individual, obviously. But it is not the solution for political problems. The solution for those lies in justice, human rights, the rule of law, tolerance, respect of minorities, adherence to principles of non-violence, solidarity, and fighting victimization syndromes. (Victims feel they have a right to everything and no responsiblility or duty for anything). Mostly: justice, human rights, the rule of law. And I think the crises we are going through and can further expect will force us, thankfully, towards more solidarity and fairness. Otherwise, we will see bloody revolutions. (Cassandra syndrome on my part?) I do hope, of course, that more and more small and big leaders will be meditators, philosophers and historians, which can only imporve their understanding of human affairs. We need new heroes! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T11:03:08Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique, do you know about the Rosetta Foundation? They provide free translation services to NGOs, and it looks like you would be a wonderful voluntary translator! www.therosettafoundation.org SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T11:32:19Z SecondChildTAG: Kind of you... But no time: I am a writer (hoping to be translated :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T13:09:29Z SecondChildTAG: P.S. Sorry, I didn't see that you were speaking of voluntary work, Carmen (I thought you were trying to get me a job): that, of course, is always something worth trying to find time for. I will look into it. But generally, I try to do my humanitarian work in my own writing, readings, talks, etc. And, living from my writing (royalties, play commissions, awards, etc.), I am permanently on the edge of being broke and looking for ways of securing a minimum budget rather than offering, once more, to work for spiritual rewards alone! Thanks for the link. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T13:20:09Z SecondChildTAG: De rien, Dominique, glad your job has a humanitarian side, I'm not that lucky! Sure you have to battle enough to make your living! Best of luck, I'm positive you will be translated! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T18:05:56Z SecondChildTAG: May the good spirits hear you. Looking forward to further exchanges here with you and everyone else. Best, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:30:18Z SecondChildTAG: Not all of art is designed to produce happiness or a happy/joyful response. Art provokes, but what it provokes is dependent upon the individual and what he/she brings to the experience of viewing and, or participating in the art. While a piece of art is a reflection of the society from which it comes, it is still only one expression or interpretation from one individual or group, not the whole. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 949308 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CSMBSMU SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T00:03:10Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, Tristan. Thanks for the interesting post. Not having read Barfield or that much of Nietzsche, I'm trying to sort out what you are saying here. To summarize, you are asking... **Is Barfield's sentiment a variation of Nietzsche's slow reading--that is, of reading "with delicate fingers and eyes"?** And that sentiment, broken down (from the _full_ quote pasted below), is: * Familiarity breeds contempt. * Strangeness overlaps but does not coincide with this truism. [In other words, strangeness does not necessarily _not_ breed contempt.] * Strangeness is correlative with Wonder which is our reaction to things we are conscious of not quite understanding. * Strangeness _in beauty_ arises from contact with a different kind of consciousness from our own. * [This kind of contact] arouses wonder when we do not understand; aesthetic imagination when we do. **Barfield's sentiment**, then, **is that our contact with the strange can** (but doesn't necessarily) **arouse wonder or aesthetic imagination in us.** **I wouldn't call this a variation of slow reading but rather a consequence of it** (which, I'm guessing, is what you meant). When we read slowly _and strive to understand the strange_ (or the different ... or the foreign ... or the distant), we may be lucky enough to achieve wonder, or even better, aesthetic imagination. Because a fast reading of strange things can indeed lead us to not necessarily _not_ breeding contempt.. that is, to breeding contempt. **Fellow students, let us read slowly and deeply so that we may, together, find wonder in these readings, and perhaps, Zeus willing, aesthetic imagination.** Cheers, Genghis ![enter image description here][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13629719418474479.gif FirstChildUserIdTAG: 5002 FirstChildUserNameTAG: genghis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T03:22:48Z SecondChildTAG: Ha! Very good summary, thanks. I don't want to take this thread elsewhere, so I'll just mention briefly what tickles my mind while reading all this wondrous talk: strangeness arouses wonder or aesthetic imagination... about something we receive as "beautiful". But what about what is strange because it is outside the norm: in the old times, someone from another race, for example, which inspired hate and contempt I deliberately use the past tense!!) In the future: a hybrid perhaps, probably viewed as a fearful or contemptuous monster. What do we immediately sense as strange beautiful or, respectively, strange-horrible? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T07:09:17Z SecondChildTAG: Sorry, it should read: (I deliberately use SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T07:10:54Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, dcaillat. Thanks for bringing up beauty--I edited my bullets to reflect this important distinction which I can see now that I'm reading the quote yet again. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T13:34:59Z SecondChildTAG: How interesting, Dominique! Reactions to that "otherness" you mention are well documented i.e. in Mary Shelley's *Frankenstein*, which is similar to a Greek tragedy in many ways. In this case however I would rather go for its being something aside from the natural order as the reason for those reactions, and our natural/unconscious tendency to restore that order as well. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T13:49:21Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, Carmen, just the example I had in mind. What is it that makes us go from "Wow, this is strange-beautiful" to "yuck, this is strange-horrible". These feelings tend to be incredibly strong. In the "yuck" case particularly, even violent. Can the feelings evolve in case the strange becomes familiar? What is beauty in nature, in art? Is art seeking beauty or is it seeking to produce emotion, awe, wonder, aesthetical imagination, debate? Big subject, beauty. @Genghis: yes, I am with you now :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T15:18:54Z SecondChildTAG: I guess it has something to do with the perceived symmetry/order - to lighten up the conversation, that is why when we drink we see everybody cute, the so called "beer goggles effect", we tend to see everything more symmetrical when drunk - so beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder in this case, haha!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T15:39:22Z SecondChildTAG: :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T15:44:14Z SecondChildTAG: I think that the balance of power is important as well. Strangeness from a position of strength can be perceived as wonderful, but if we see a possible threat fear takes over and we become, at least, defensive. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T21:17:29Z SecondChildTAG: I see your point. I still believe that some things that we feel are "abnormal" give us a feeling of discomfort, sometimes disgust, rather than wonder, irrespective of how dangerous they are. Coming back to heroes: in ancient times, soldiers' and gladiators' armours were meant not just to protect, I believe, but to stupefy and frighten the opponent. The helms of certain gladiators, in particular, were huge, shiny, and very strange, hiding the head entirely and turning the fighters into some creatures from outerspace. Much closer to us, Prussian soldiers used to wear high gilded frontpieces on their helms, which reflected the sun and made them appear much taller than they were. (Incredible how different the business of war is today, where the priority is to save one's own soldiers' lives and protect their mental and physical health by avoiding close combat as much as possible. What has remained til this day is the duty to recuperate the dead bodies to hand them back to the families.) I think we will be reading a lot about those terrific armours and weapons in the Iliad. They are part, I imagine, of the superhuman, divine and stupefying heroe's gear. Achilles must have been beautiful, wonderful and terrifying... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T22:39:27Z SecondChildTAG: "beautiful, wonderful and terrifying" yes dcaillat! I wonder about how to 'feel" and think about that "terrifying" part! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:14:52Z SecondChildTAG: Johnny, having read the *wonderful* beginning of the Iliad just now, I am struck, first, by how great and important it is to go back to the original text: clichés and "reading into" interpretations fall to pieces to reveal a story so much stronger and alive than what it became over the years in our imagination (at least, in mine). About the "terrifying" part: while Achilles may appear superhuman and awesome when he is acting, i.e. fighting, he is utterly human when he rests: he is utterly vulnerable, he suffers, and it is all the more moving and frightening, because it proves that no human strength and glory can protect us from harm. In fact, what stands out in these fabulous opening pages is everyone's fear and lament at the existence and fatality of death. Gods and humans are equally affected. Terrifying *and* terrified is what comes to mind, and it's all about death, which a hero will seek and provoke, since he cannot defeat it. What also strikes me is that, contrary to what I thought, ethics (perhaps I should say basic social rules) are very much at the centre of this story: it seems to be all about justice, reconcilation, negociation, retribution. This is fascinating, because these behaviours are present to a smaller or larger extent in all social mammals, helping them to live together in relative harmony, or, in case they are broken, causing disaster, sorrow and death. The terror and scandal of death... And the death of Achilles, the beautiful young bridgegroom, as he is described in one of the commentaries, is the symbol for all young life cut short: is there anything more poignant and sad than that: the death of the young? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T11:22:30Z SecondChildTAG: Pardon the typos, which I can't correct in a comment: I meant "reconciliation", "negotiation", "bridegroom", among other possible mistakes :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T11:32:58Z SecondChildTAG: typos be damned dont worry my mind runs ahead swift as achilles as well hahaha. well poe would say the death of a beautiful woman is the supreme poetry so Antigone might quibble. perhaps i am foisting ideas of the Burkean sublime onto my use of terror. I wonder are we supposed to "learn" from (your "ethics") these songs or are we to be terrified into recognition so that we will go from strife with our OWN community to being able to hate/fight our enemies 'outside'? In other words, on "balance," if Hector/Achilles is the foil/hero mimetic example, perhaps pathos is "all"? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T21:51:47Z FirstChildTAG: Homer is very much a visual poem. I think of it as an opera in another language where I don't understand what is being sung but I can piece together what I can see visually. Visualising it like a great opera helps place the so called pieces of the puzzle together therefore "Great art communicates before it is understood." I think it's important to say that when reading Homer one MUST remember to read it as a poem and not a work of fiction. Reading it as a poem and slowing the reading down as Professor Nagy mentioned through the process that is Philology will give us a deeper understanding and enlightenment. Okay, that's my drivel. Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T08:51:18Z FirstChildTAG: I am not a philologist, i write poems. I'll try to explain why I wrote before that we should use our hearts in order to understood poems. Perhaps you 've heard the greek word ΕΜΠΝΕΥΣΗ which means inspiration. Έμπνευση was believed to be delivered to the poet by Pegasus a winged divine horse. Poets like Homer prayed to gods for έμπνευση. Ι use my heart combined with my mind when I read poems and so I hope that I won't miss the spirit of the poem. When I write poems I do the same because I usually want to touch people's hearts, not their minds. Do you think Homer would like his poems to be understood or analyzed? Of course I am also interested in their analysis. I hope beauty won't be missed by translation. Beauty, "κάλλος" was very important in ancient Greeks in everything they created. Here again i must say that English is n't my native language so I don't know if I express myself well enough in English and if I can be understood. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T09:07:04Z SecondChildTAG: Very clear to me Euthymia. Also the 9 muses give us inspiration for they are the deities of creation of divine art, music, drama, poetry, comedy, tragedy etc. In the Iliad Homer asks them to help him tell the story. "Sing to me oh muse..." It's one of my favourite lines. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T10:11:31Z SecondChildTAG: You express yourself sublimely, Euthymia, but once you have provided beauty [kallos - sorry this is not my machine, and has no Greek], in a poem, a statue, or any other art work through the divine breath of the muse (empneusi) you cause me not just to want the spirit of the poem, but to understand it. Plotinus (above) implicitly accepts this - I want to be inspired by the resulting statue (his example), but also to understand everything that has gone into its making. In the end I am more inspired because I can understand the parts, so the wonder at the whole is greatened, not diminished. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T10:57:04Z SecondChildTAG: I love the way you write, Euthymia! I only wish I could speak Greek to be able to read your poems, I am sure they are beautiful! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T20:51:36Z SecondChildTAG: Euthymia, would you open a poetry group for the course? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T00:49:14Z SecondChildTAG: I'm not a poet. I'm a GP at a rural Health Center and a mother of four children. I write poems as my father used to. They come from deep inside my heart. My grand mother from my mother's side used to sing "moirologia". The word moirologia comes from moira=fate and logos=word. Moirologia are poems which are sung during funerals in Lakonia and in Crete. They speak about the character and life of the dead person. All old women of my mother's village could sing moirologia so I believe there is a poet in every one of us. I think we 'll learn a lot about poetry in the course. If my fellowstudents start to write poems then we will open a poetry group. I have n't tried to write poems in English yet. Perhaps I have n't discovered the secret rythm of english language. Hampgai do you write poems in English? If you do post us one. Carmen I like the way you write too. I 'm sure you can write poems. Communication with all of you has enriched my life. I am very grateful to professor Nagy and his colleagues for the opportunity they give us to study together. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T16:47:48Z SecondChildTAG: Many thanks for your kind words Euthymia, YOU are enriching ours with your contribution! Didn't know about moirologia, beautiful word by the way. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T17:46:23Z SecondChildTAG: appreciate the thoughts euthymia which I seem to understand just fine! It's interesting that Plotinus is the go to twice i have seen when this is discussed though my bet is plotinus is on one end or the other of the spectrum of responses, more mystical perhaps? longinian sublime aside, is there terror and darkness in Achillean "beauty"? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:19:29Z SecondChildTAG: It'd be interesting to think about inspiration in relation to Calchas (a seer). He's not like the Delphic Oracle, but the whole notion of divining the will of the gods seems to include a kind of 'inspiration'. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1229141 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ajlandry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T14:08:13Z FirstChildTAG: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." - This proverb comes to my mind as I read this thread. There is within each of us something unique that will cause us to appreciate things in an unique way. Taking art as an example I am thrilled by certain works but unmoved by others. I tend towards the Impressionists and veer away from some classical and most modern abstract and conceptual works; yet others much prefer that which does not touch me. I am suspicious of ascribing feelings to the heart; to my mind a pump or to the soul; an imaginary thing. For me there is the conscious and the unconscious mind and for me it is the reaction of the unconscious mind that judges something as beautiful or not. If it is the unconscious mind that makes this judgement then the next question is why does it so discriminate? Why do I like Monet (French Impressionist) but regard Emin (Modern, so called British artist) with disdain? I'm tempted to say because Monet could paint and Emin cannot; yet in their day the Impressionists were derided for exactly the reason I just gave. Critics of their day dismissed The Impressionists as incompetent in comparison with classical artists, if those critics could see how the likes of Monet are now respected and the prices that their works fetch they would no doubt be appalled. They did not see the beauty of The Impressionists as I see no beauty in much modern British art. This suggests to me that what is seen as beautiful changes, but the thing that beauty is ascribed to does not. Therefore people must be adding some value to the thing or object. This brings me to "The Emperor's New Clothes". The Hans christian Anderson story where some clever salesmen convince an Emperor that they will, for a high price, outfit him with the finest and lightest of cloth, so fine and so light that it cannot be seen except by the most discerning eye. The emperor, having no reason to believe that he did not have a discerning eye accepted the clothes. His people, hearing the story and knowing that disagreeing with the Emperor was unhealthy, while falling in with his desires was usually profitable, also accepted the clothes as he paraded about before them. Only an innocent child, unaware of the need to agree with emperors, asked why he was naked. In part I like the Impressionists because I was taught at some stage, or told that they were good art. In another area of culture I liked the Rolling Stones because my parents did not and because there was something about Beetles worship that put me off. I therefore think that beauty is very much in the eye of the beholder and it is because of any number of prejudices constructed in the unconscious mind that the judgement is made. I therefore expect my reading of the course literature to be unique, not because I will read something other than the rest of you but because of the way that it will interact with my previous experiences. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1107954 FirstChildUserNameTAG: WaylandSmith FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T11:09:50Z SecondChildTAG: I hope that you understand me. It's very interesting when different people share their thouts. I use the word heart the same way Odysseus uses it when he went to his own palace dressed as a beggar (Odyssey 20.18-19). Thank you for reminding me how unique is every person in his or her freedom to see things (beauty is one of them) in his or her own unique way. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T13:20:42Z FirstChildTAG: I enjoy the various perspectives. I liken the idea of fast and slow reading to that of slow and fast twitch muscles. Both must be exercised differently in order to achieve the highest possible level of fitness - menatl as a well as physical. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1316490 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JohnOGrady FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T15:56:53Z FirstChildTAG: are any of my posts getting posted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1316490 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JohnOGrady FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T16:00:41Z SecondChildTAG: Yes! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T22:41:03Z FirstChildTAG: Hi all, I believe that the notion of slow and careful raeding is very important in understanding and familiarity with Homer's texts. Specifiacally more for the boys and girls , who don't spell the greek language. In both Homer's epics we identify the mixture of the three dominant dialects. -ionic -dorian -aeolic So, I think that, especially in original texts , the missing of a careful reading will be a disaster... 1 Greetings from Khalkidiki, Greece. I am waiting all of you for vacations... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T16:49:26Z FirstChildTAG: Wonderful thread...great preparation for the task ahead. I feel a level of relief and engagement now that I didn't approaching the course even a week ago. I am excited to share this with so many thoughtful people. Thank you for your scholarship and partnership. The opportunity to "slow down" quite literally seems like a wonderful gift! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 642338 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Shaif59 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T17:02:38Z SecondChildTAG: Could not agree more Shaif, this world we live in is so fast-paced that we really have to make an effort to slow down and enjoy a "lento" tempo. Sometimes we just need to take our foot off the brake, stop and enjoy life a little more :) This course can be a wonderful escape for many (including myself!) and a way to learn to fully engage and focus on the present moment. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T17:46:37Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you CarmenSPAIN ~ I look forward to participating and enjoying the slower pace with you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 642338 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Shaif59 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T01:24:19Z SecondChildTAG: :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T12:11:21Z FirstChildTAG: Both the thread and the video on slow reading remind me of something Alan Watts once said about the merits meditation, so I thought I'd share it with you. > “We could say that meditation doesn't have a reason or doesn't have a purpose. In this respect it's unlike almost all other things we do except perhaps making music and dancing. When we make music we don't do it in order to reach a certain point, such as the end of the composition. If that were the purpose of music then obviously the fastest players would be the best. Also, when we are dancing we are not aiming to arrive at a particular place on the floor as in a journey. When we dance, the journey itself is the point, as when we play music the playing itself is the point. And exactly the same thing is true in meditation. Meditation is the discovery that the point of life is always arrived at in the immediate moment.” I'm in my last year of high school, and I don't know what to expect from this course. Maybe it'll spark a passion in philology. It's a given that I'll learn something new. But I've read a lot on this thread about a quasi-spiritual connection to what is being read, and that excites me. Am I anywhere near the mark with this quote? Should Watts have included philology as another example of the merits of taking things slowly? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342422 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ssharpe FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T21:37:54Z SecondChildTAG: Totally, I love Mr. Watts! Great post, ssharpe. Total intellectual beauty all the way. Tristan SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T21:49:39Z SecondChildTAG: Philology = philos+logos. Love of the language. Love of the essence, the meaning of the words. In order to really understand the meaning of a literary work, we have to read it slowly. Maybe translate it for ourselves. Or for a Marsian. Immerse ourselves into its world, as we immerse in music or dance. Collect our impressions, understand them together with ourselves, and together with the world we are discovering. Then, maybe, we can really understand the text. Does this qualify as an answer? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T18:21:57Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks, Justagirl. That definitely qualifies! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1342422 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ssharpe SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:20:13Z FirstChildTAG: ... and now a little pause after our intellectual endeavours of the past days, to gather strength for our class, which is actually about to beginn at last!!!! "Lento" according to Simon and Garfunkel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJBhdKrwTOc Wishing all of us a wonderful journey, cheers, Dominique FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T08:48:50Z SecondChildTAG: Now there's an epic anthem! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1373736 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DanWallaceMA SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T15:48:05Z SecondChildTAG: hahaha. nice. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:21:14Z FirstChildTAG: This is a most wonderful collection of posts and I hope to benefit in a variety of ways from the study method as well as the texts themselves. I believe that any work of art, whether it be literature, a sculpture or painting, acts on our subconscious before our conscious mind cuts in dissects and anlyses. Our eyes consume the image and then we make connections in terms of interpretation and interaction. Hence the importance of the finger - our hands often lead us into new territory - whether that be through the medium of writing or study or cooking. Our hands are the medium we use to physically create and by following our finger our hearts and souls, stirred by verse or story, unite with our intellect and bring us to a point where we have our own, very personal, understanding of what is unfolding before us and takes us on a unique journey of discovery. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 894820 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sioux FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T11:05:25Z FirstChildTAG: Poetry in my mind is like the journey to Ithaca, like life itself ...it's a wonder by itself, as a meeting with the Word of the gods, thus the answer to the miracle of it has as many different aspects as the interpretations people give, what they conceive through studying it...so many years have passed by in the history of mankind and we are still searching the answer to the meaning of everything...the answer according to Constantinos Kavafis, an acclaimed greek poet and journalist of the early 20th century is (what?) as his following poem "Ithaca", says: " When you set sail for Ithaca, wish for the road to be long, full of adventures, full of knowledge. The Lestrygonians and the Cyclopes, an angry Poseidon — do not fear. You will never find such on your path, if your thoughts remain lofty, and your spirit and body are touched by a fine emotion. The Lestrygonians and the Cyclopes, a savage Poseidon you will not encounter, if you do not carry them within your spirit, if your spirit does not place them before you. Wish for the road to be long. Many the summer mornings to be when with what pleasure, what joy you will enter ports seen for the first time. Stop at Phoenician markets, and purchase the fine goods, nacre and coral, amber and ebony, and exquisite perfumes of all sorts, the most delicate fragrances you can find. To many Egyptian cities you must go, to learn and learn from the cultivated. Always keep Ithaca in your mind. To arrive there is your final destination. But do not hurry the voyage at all. It is better for it to last many years, and when old to rest in the island, rich with all you have gained on the way, not expecting Ithaca to offer you wealth. Ithaca has given you the beautiful journey. Without her you would not have set out on the road. Nothing more does she have to give you. And if you find her poor, Ithaca has not deceived you. Wise as you have become, with so much experience, you must already have understood what Ithacas mean". Is Ithaca more important or the journey? can we reach Ithaca without the journey, the adventure of it, can we even start a journey if there is no Ithaca in our minds and souls? maybe then wondering is the real point of the existence of each Ithaca we pursue... Sophia Lotsari FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T01:34:13Z SecondChildTAG: This is a beguiling piece. I read it a long time ago in Ithaca, NY. Thank you for giving me a new experience of it and for reviving a fine, old memory. Celeste SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T02:46:05Z SecondChildTAG: thanks so much for this! a virtue of fellows from around the world. I am ashamed to say i did not know this but thanks to you now I do! cheers! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:22:27Z SecondChildTAG: My pleasure to share dear Celeste... :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T04:32:19Z SecondChildTAG: What a beautiful poem - thank you for sharing. Susan SecondChildUserIdTAG: 894820 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sioux SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T21:30:27Z FirstChildTAG: It has been marvelous reading the many posts from a priceless range of perspectives. Much food for thought. Different than my own mental process in some ways and similar in others. With the analogy of the goldsmithing, I wanted to comment on the art of working what I will call small metal as opposed to large, cast or welded sculptures (although I would say to carve marble one needs strong arms, confidence in the strike and a tutored aim). The goldsmith works with precious metal that is malleable and easily ruined. Great care and apprenticeship allows one to work meticulously with the focus of the Dalai Lama. I recently finished a piece using three metals fashioning sharp edges, chased textures, and embossing using a roller. I will compare the process to reading the text. From without, you are initiated to the fact that the metal has a mind of its own. You become one with its ways. It is a precious moment when you blend with the various tools, processes and heights that you can climb while creating. I think we can read Homeric poetry in the same way. We think we may know something about it by what we have read whether in snippets or in its entirety but when we enter into the moment that transcends our own we may surprise ourselves by what we find. I believe the text will find us in our enthusiasm as diligence in working inside the text evolves into a deeper understanding of another time and place. We can never know it really but can have a magical communion of something different, something marvelous. When I finished my metal piece, I almost wondered how I did it. I remember my process, my intention but the Muse was certainly in the mix. The wonder of creating matches the wonder of comprehension. There is a kind of symmetry in execution between fast reading and slow. There is also a new point of view introduced. Prof. Nagy who with his experience and single-mindness of purpose points to gemlike substances we were not aware of. My perception of Nietzsche certainly changed because of the context in which his words were presented. The notionally he alludes to will surely ignite and transpose our understanding of Homer and Hesiod. I hope all this made sense. I am happy to read the perceptions of others with finely honed backgrounds in poetry and literature. I am learning much. I'm familiar with the names dropped but have not studied them with this kind of scope. That you all for your thoughts. I especially liked the bits on music and theater. I read aloud often and find information on this time period can set the stage. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T02:42:40Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for your post, Zerilla. An interesting metallurgic embellishment of Nietzsche's metaphor. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1285762 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LachieKermode SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T10:56:06Z SecondChildTAG: :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T12:29:01Z FirstChildTAG: Sorry for my english. My understood is this: The discovery of new causes wonder. The sensation of penetrating the unknown that we were eagerly looking uncover is wonderful. The experience of feeling the beauty corresponds to the act of getting in touch with a part of our being that does not surface in other situations. The strangeness in the act of being struck by the beauty is a connection to something we have inside and can not be fully communicated. I have experienced it during meditation, when the word transfigures for me and turns to other thing. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305100 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ayshagawa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T08:46:33Z SecondChildTAG: In other words..... you can feel this when you read ***out of the text*** and not ***into the text*** I am totally agree with you and let me tell you I understood what you want to express, although I am not an English speaker, your message is well written. Greetings from Mexico. Lety. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1420826 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lety-Guerrero SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T23:51:02Z FirstChildTAG: Wonder in the Greek sense starts in the sense of the divine. So best not to over-aethetisize the affect. Modern sensibility emphasizes one's own feelings about whatever excited the wonder. Ancients were outer-directed, not having read Descartes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 261838 FirstChildUserNameTAG: eisenstadt FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T14:05:41Z SecondChildTAG: I agree. Ancient Greeks seeked beauty in harmony and symmetry and what they created is usually beutiful for all people, classic. Beauty in their creations catches the eyes of all receptors. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T18:57:02Z FirstChildTAG: Wonder is an emotional response, and as such can have different meanings to different people. Whereas one might have such a response to a certain discovery, to another it might be a trivial experience. Therefore to conflate wonder and a partial understanding of strangeness is not necessarily universal. In a mechanistic sort of way, I wonder (different meaning ;-) if wonder might not be a part of the feedback control system in our brains used to train and reinforce new neuronal network pathways. As for the quote from N. I have a slightly different view of "understanding", partially due to my background as a physicist. For example, Gravity we can understand as: things fall down; the Newtonian model; General Relativity; orbital mechanics models; ballistics; a quantum mechanical description; the seriousness of a situation; and an emotional attraction. Every single one of these understandings can be complete and legitimate within a certain context. However, understanding different layers of meaning can sometimes add to an understanding of the overall context, or even distract from the intentional context. Take Munch's The Scream, even a very quick view can lead to a fairly understanding, such a clear statement it makes. Certainly though having knowledge of the painter and emotional state adds something, but really the painting itself is such a strong work without that context. Indeed an argument could be made that with this piece it can be understood at the very beginning of a long communication process. All in all I think I find understanding is actually a more complex process than most people ascribe to it. Although I might understand kleos as honor, I fully realize that I do not understand the complexity of the connotations in their fullness as might Prof. Nagy. Indeed, that is why we are here. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 76147 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tbsy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T21:38:10Z SecondChildTAG: I find these cross disciplinary commentaries exceedingly fascinating. As a physicist, what is your take on being able to connect with the time, place, intentions and so on of another culture? In regards to your comment on Munch's Scream do you think the universality that Prof Nagy talks about is likewise applicable to us now. Can we really be there, connect in a way with who the ancient Greeks were besides what they have left us? There was some mention of the armor of war. I like that we are considering this piece of the puzzle but would add the sound of war. The clanging metal, the thundering hooves of horses, the burning ships, the heat of battle--and the crys, the voices. A poem like the Iliad seems to transmit these realities if we look to the conversations and the intentions of the key characters. I am especially intrigued by the horrors of the terms Agamemnon employs to Achilles/Karyses juxtaposed with the appearance of goddesses. Athena says, "I come from the sky." Thetis "rose up like a gray mist out of the waves." Then Achilles "looks out at the boundless wastes." The priest also turns to the sea to appeal to Apollo. Such sublime imagery forced against the dogs of war. Thrilling. Frightening. Awesome. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T16:00:30Z SecondChildTAG: I guess the most important thing to know about a scientific approach is the realization that scientists are human. We want to make connections, to understand and our emotional attachment to ideas can make us susceptible to mistakes. This is why the scientific method utilizes experimentation that is repeatable and verifiable by others. You must be skeptical, willing to set aside your own biases to test your beliefs. In some real sense there is a split, an intuitive attempt to leap to new concepts, at times having an emotional drive to the search, but it must be followed by a reasoned analysis. It is somewhat different with art and the artist. Art is often deliberately in to domain of the emotions, and as such is not bound by the same strictures as science. Indeed, one problem I have with the quote about "Great art" is that much of great art breaks with tradition and tries to convey meaning in a completely new way. The history of art is littered with failed definitions of what great art is. The quote itself does convey a concept that has some legitimacy. However, by using "communicates" and "being understood", two basically equivalent concepts, the quote becomes self referential, as is open to the same problems as the the Liar Paradox. As can often happen, the semantics of a phrase can make it or undo it. Back to the artist though, there is a similarity to the scientist, in that a detachment from the emotional state for planning, technique and composition can add to a work, as well as aid the viewer in interpreting. As for connecting with the time, place and intentions of a distant culture, it can be a difficult. We are talking about a possible historic event second hand report from roughly 3000 years ago, that transitioned from an oral tradition to written. Even just looking at a more recent event the Battle of Roncevaux just over 1200 years ago, as described in La Chanson de Roland, the death of Roland would seem to be at the hands of the Muslim army. But other sources have a different take, with Basque local forces behind the ambush. Similar to the texts we are examining the written story followed the event by several hundred years. Add to that the linguistic changes through the years, the loss of cadence and connotation in translation, the loss of historical context, the tendency of writers to twist events to fit their perceptions, our limited knowledge of the peoples of the time and our very different societal perception of the world it would seem making a connection would be an impossible task. Yet, simply look at the themes that run through the tale: fellowship, betrayal, revenge, anger, triumph, loss, passion, the desperation of a very extended distant war and the desire to return home. I think this story is beyond any doubt whatsoever germane to us!!! I might hope for a future where people do not have any personal understanding of war but it is unlikely to be within my lifetime. I do concur though, amazingly fantastic imagery! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 76147 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tbsy SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T17:08:17Z FirstChildTAG: I am admirer of The Iliad & The Odyssey, and I am grateful for the new (to me) insights provided by Professor Nagy. Oddly, I've just begun Taiye Selasi's Ghana Must Go & find the remarks of "Strangeness & Lento" exactly appropriate to that novel - Selasi must also be a gold/word-smith- slow reading is essential in her work as well. Thank you so much for the ancillary readings. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T03:37:55Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone! I think people understand poetry with their hearts even if their minds can't understand it completely. Heart needs time to receive the message hidden in the words by the poet. Every word in a poem is precious and has its special significance to communicate the message that the poet wants to deliver. Slow and careful reading gives time to the heart to understand it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T17:31:36Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Euthymia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T17:37:30Z SecondChildTAG: How beautiful Euthymia! However we should not forget that the beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as David Hume in his Essays *Moral and Political* said "Beauty in things exists merely in the mind which contemplates them." Without a receptor any form of art is mere aristotelian potentiality, and thanks to the receptor they become actuality, which may or may not be similar to what the author intended. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T19:36:44Z SecondChildTAG: Readers as receptor sites! I love it, Carmen! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T22:30:21Z SecondChildTAG: Many thanks, Tristan, and the course has not started yet...what amazing discussions await us! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T23:38:20Z SecondChildTAG: If the intent of slow-reading is to ascertain the original intention of the poet, surely we are not exploring the value of the text in its entirety. The intention of the poet is effectively still only one interpretation of the text (admittedly a rather authoritative one), and surely it is the multiple layering of subjectivities which affords a poem, or any piece of artwork, its beauty. Thus close-reading is valuable in the sense that it gives us a starting point from which we can subjectively fortify the relevance and value of a text. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1285762 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LachieKermode SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T11:11:07Z FirstChildTAG: I agree with most of the people here but to me the core of this discussion (slow and fast reading) lies to the concept of TRUST ...when you put your fingers first to the 'unknown' and then you cast your sight on it ...it requires a level of acceptance for that. In other words you must surrender to the beauty of the poetry itself to give heart to it ..this is how poetry comes to life ...this how understanding is achieved .....then you give another look to it for details that they do nothing more than empowering what you have already perceived . FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1332012 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aexal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T09:19:53Z SecondChildTAG: And it is the genius of a great artist to make us trust him, defeating our ever critical and chattering brain. We are overwhelmed and enter the metaphorical world he offers to our senses. First accept, receive, trust. And only then analyse. First recite: speaking the words as if they were ours. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T12:33:45Z FirstChildTAG: Dear members of Briseis and all, I would like to add some comments about Homeric Poetry. It is considered to be among the classical ones because of his analysis on human soul and the concepts that arrouse from this. Take for example Achilles. He knows that in order to be reknowned among the human race he has to make a choice and accept its consequences. He can continue and fight and gain glory or he can go back to the ones that he loves, but without his "trophy". Such an analysis of the human soul appeals to every man in every period. It is a dilemma that one has to take in order to achieve something glorious which worth to be admired. But one has to pay the price for this. Another example is Odysseus who knows that in order to return to his beloved wife, he has to struggle and pass many obstacles. Every human being in every era has faced such dilemmas in a diferent extent. Homeric poetry somehow touches the modern analysis of pchychology about the human soul. If we think deeper while reading, we may find that we can put ourselfs open to such dilemmas and think better about the concepts presented through the text. Thanks for reading, Menia. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1331990 FirstChildUserNameTAG: meniakour FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T11:51:43Z FirstChildTAG: I think you are spot on with your parallel between Barfield and Nietzsche. Both were philologists, and had a thing for ancient Greece. I think what you are describing in Barfield is succinctly summed up in his concept of 'original participation' ("there stands behind the phenomena, and on the other side of them from me, a represented which is of the same nature as me . . . of the same nature as the perceiving self, inasmuch as it is not mechanical or accidental, but psychic and voluntary"--Saving the Appearances). The passage from Nietzsche similarly is not only asking us to read slowly, but to understand as if for the first time. as for the particular proposition you quoted, beauty need not have an element of strangeness within it. That all really depends on how one wants to parse definitions of these things. For example, for Kant, beautiful things included items which weren't strange at all. Some of his examples of feelings of the beautiful are the sight of flower beds or grazing flocks. What Barfield is describing as beautiful Kant more readily describe as 'sublime'. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1181964 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dooodah FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T15:43:26Z FirstChildTAG: “The aim of every artist is to arrest motion, which is life, by artificial means and hold it fixed so that a hundred years later, when a stranger looks at it, it moves again since it is life.” William Faulkner This quote may not be totally apropos of this thread but it's been rattling around in my head along with thoughts about slow reading and having the finger of a goldsmith. It's life that the artist gives us and we strangers need to find a way by means of our poor, pitiful and artificial (artifice-full) tools to catch that life and have it move for us. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1191656 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MichMurphy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T17:02:42Z SecondChildTAG: That is indeed a beautiful message and way to interpret art! Close reading or close examination is important to arrest "the life" of the work. This would be one kind of artificial mean that Faulkner might talk about. Why do you think he chose the work "artificial"? Would it be because it's just an interpretation of the art? and art is the "the natural" kind, with which the author tries to imitate nature or make something that is/sounds naturally beautiful? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1277972 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tmitre SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T04:23:02Z SecondChildTAG: I am wondering if there are any artists in the cohorts? When I am creating a drawing, sculpture, story, 'time' ceases and I am in another place. There is a connection to the work that is transformative and I do not want to break the link. Does anyone recognise this state of being? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T13:53:58Z SecondChildTAG: Ozdigg I would suggest that though it is somewhat reductive that you think about the psychological description of the flow state of being.see: wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology) It seems to me you are talking about that enviable condition. I'm not an artist and suspect that I haven't lost myself like that in anything since childhood play. Except a good book. Tmitre, I think Faulkner recognizes that all art is artificial. Only a pale imitation of real life but in the hands of great writers and dedicated readers like us and with help from our friends Odysseus will move. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1191656 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MichMurphy SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T01:42:20Z SecondChildTAG: Yes ozdigg, this is not just your imagination. I experience the same state for example when I'm writing a screenplay, creating dialogue, action scenes, etc. I feel miles away from reading case law and statutes. Then when I'm briefing legal cases, I can't even begin to think about the screenplay - it seems so far away. The explanations are: the right vs. left side of the brain. There are exercises on how to disengage one side's predominance to be more creative vs calculative. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374891 SecondChildUserNameTAG: alohapaulette SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T06:08:36Z FirstChildTAG: I send you a "song of lamentation" (moirologi) for some heroes of our times. In 11 July 2011 a huge explosion took place in the Evagelos Florakis Naval Base in Cyprus where 98 containers of explosives had been stored for more than two years. The containers were seized from a vessel in its way to Syria. A fire started at about 4.40 a.m. Captain Andreas Ioannides received a phonecall at home and went to the spot. He and the Commander of the Base Lambros Lambrou sent the personnel of the base away and with the help of a few sailors and six firefighters (two of them were twin brothers)fought with the fire until the time of the explosion at 5.50 a.m. They were all aware of the great danger. The explosion killed them all (13 persons), destroyed the Base and caused damages in many buildings at the nearby villages. It also damaged Cyprus largest power station. The mother of the young twin firefighters behaved like the mothers of Sparta. Cyprus (and Greece) mourned for the 13 heroes. I send you the song although I' m afraid I cannot translate it properly. I wrote it in order to participate in my Cypriot friends grief (πένθος). Η ΚΥΠΡΟΣ ΜΑΥΡΟΦΟΡΕΣΕ Η Κύπρος μαυροφόρεσε τους ήρωες να τιμήσει τους λίγους που θυσιάστηκαν, πολλούς για να γλιτώσουν. Μικρή πατρίδα της καρδιάς στου πειρασμού την ώρα τι φωτεινό παράδειγμα έδωσαν τα παιδιά σου! Η μνήμη τους ξημέρωμα στους σκοτεινούς καιρούς μας. Ώρα καλή λεβέντες μας σ' ουράνια μονοπάτια, Λεμονανθοί στο διάβα σας, ρόδα στ βήματά σας, βρύση με γάργαρο νερό, πιείτε ξεκουραστείτε. Του αντρειωμένου ο θάνατος, θάνατος δε λογιέται. Μοσχοβολάει Ανάσταση σαν πασχαλιάς κλωνάρι. Βλογάει τη γη το αίμα του ν΄ανθίσει να καρπίσει να' χουν ψωμί τα σπιτικά, κρασί τα παληκάρια. CYPRUS WAS DRESSED IN BLACK Cyprus was dressed ii black to honor the heroes the few who sucrificed their lives, in order to save many. Little homeland of my heart what a paradigm your children gave to us! Their memory is a dawn in our dark times. Farewell our brave ones, on your way to the sky. You will walk among bloomed lemon trees, roses will be on your steps. You will find α stream with fresh water to drink and rest for a while. The death of a bravehearted man is not considered death. It smells like the flowers of Easter. His blood blesses the land to be fruitful so that there will be enough bread in every house and enough wine for the young men. Sorry for the translation. Cheers to all of you. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T11:54:21Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for sharing this. Fear and pity, lament over death and mortality. Homer. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T12:35:45Z FirstChildTAG: This question of what is "in" and what is "out" is just a construction of our minds. Electromagnetic waves are out there, but hidden to us, simply because of our absolute limitation to sense them. We "look" or "touch" or "sense" at what is "out" there with our eyes, or fingers or ears, etc The information of this changing "outer" world is being processed by the neuronal circuits constructed in our brains (the hard disk). Words ("logos") are those pieces of information that help us to link the meaning ("out") with the meaning ("in"). This "inner meaning" sitting somewhere in our brains, mostly hidden to ourselves (see Jung, for example), has an intrinsic tendency to try to diffuse out there in many different ways (songs, literature, paintings, sculpture, even music...and so on) to meet other people present or future. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 239441 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JORGESCG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T00:26:38Z SecondChildTAG: Note added: people of the past -as we see with the many good quotes posted by our fellow students- did "diffuse" their "inner meanings" and help to nurture all of us, and will continue to do so for many many generations. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 239441 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JORGESCG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T00:30:46Z FirstChildTAG: May I suggest that a problematic passage from the Iliad be chosen, perhaps by Prof. Nagy, to which we may apply various hermeneutics and see what we actually come up with. All the talk about various approaches (hermeneutics is such a nice word) in the comments above are unsupported speculations. Let's get to work! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 261838 FirstChildUserNameTAG: eisenstadt FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T00:21:31Z FirstChildTAG: Seems to me as if he is touching upon the transcendentals- beauty, when he speaks of wonder. It would make sense then, because the eternal is touched upon. Specifically, to look back at the videos, "living word" - which must *transcend* all times to survive; which is dead if it is not able to be engaged with. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1005291 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JenniferReadnour FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T15:19:56Z FirstChildTAG: May I disagree with this love fest: Nietzsche, ended up despising philologists; his slow reading had a lot to do with a change of attitude, while we read; And Nietzsche often wrote tongue in cheek. The two sets of Exam questions, that we have taken, so far, could not be answered by lento reading, no matter how lento, lento we read: To answer the questions we had to know the CODE; it is Philology that drives, not the careful reading acquired. Even a Modern Greek speaker cannot read and understand meanings in the original, without knowledge of the Code; words and combination of phrases today, have new meanings. Is the Code’s interpretation valid today, we may never know because of the Centuries that have past: 95 % of the current philological choices may be correct, but slow reading is not going to break the Code: We have to rely on our teachers…and that is why we are here...I hope they are not too didactic and arbitrary in this endeavor… ;-) Lovingly, Vjim Filomena ;-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 938644 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vjim FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T00:15:06Z FirstChildTAG: I am a pretty practical person - I have a passion for relation data bases, for example, and I grow some pretty mean new potatoes. However, some years ago my wife and I lost our younger son to cancer. The effect is indescribable, and my whole life was changed. Yet I was astonished to see that my relationship with music was unaffected - that is, I could listen to the music with some part of me that was different from what I thought 'me' was. Here, perhaps, is something which is at the bottom of these very big and very fundamental concepts - reading in and reading out. The everyday 'me' reads into the Iliad so 'I' think that Achilles needs a kick up the pants and a lecture on responsibility. It may be a different 'me' that reads out of the Iliad, a 'me' that understands (or at least sees) this need for immortality which transcends every-day, transient, human relationships and, importantly, human responsibilities. Someone else asked if heroes could be compared to saints. That is certainly reading in. Achilles could not understand a force which requires him to give up his own priorities to serve others (even if a different sort of immortality was involved). 'Wonder comes from ignorance'? Possibly, but not always. I know about plate tectonics, but the sight of molten rock bubbling out at the bottom of the ocean fills me with wonder and astonishment. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 217115 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DanAtEly FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T10:56:22Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for sharing this, Dan. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T11:29:35Z SecondChildTAG: Dan the loss of a person you love, the loss of a child is like loosing a part of yourself. I also lost my mother from cancer last summer, but she was seventy years old and in her way, she helped all of us to accept her death before it actually happened. But then, as I said before she was a mature person, "she had lived her life" as she used to say. I will tell you my opinion about Achilles. He could understand a force which required him to give up his own priorities. In a Greek "Polis" (City) children were taught to give up their priorities for the sake of the Polis. Polis was the first priority. Fear of death was n't an acceptable feeling for free citizens. If Achilles left from the battlefield in fear of death, in order to have a safe return home, he would have been considered a coward and a traitor of Hellenic ideals. Most of all he would have been a shame for his City. He had to chose between living as a coward or dying as a hero. Other heroes like Odysseus, were lucky to survive and live many years as heroes. A warrior 's death was n't a prequisitive to be a hero, but bravery was. Homer taught many generations of Greeks to admire Achilles and every "Polis" used Iliad to make sure that the children will be braught up to be brave warriors. Think of King Leonidas of Sparta. Iliad is also a story about the relations among gods and men. Gods were another force wich made heroes to reconsider their priorities. As a Greek I honor saints as heroes of spiritual freedom and I honor heroes like Leonidas of Sparta for their struggle for Greece's political freedom (independance). Bravery is a common characteristic for both. Greek Orthodox Church has special prayers for heroes who died in battles for Greek independance. Both saints and heroes inspire Greeks. Of course there are Greeks who don't believe in God. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T16:52:59Z IndexTAG: 14 TitleTAG: Note from Professor Nagy on the use of the Discussion Forums Dear Class, The Discussion Forums have been a great success in this Course, but recently there have been some posts that convey a distinctly exclusionary message. > "i am reading the texts and i saw many hellenic words translated > wrongly and other things here is a list of the things i saw that are > wrong." > > "secondly the word hora doesn't mean quoting from the core vocab > ‘season, seasonality, the right time, the perfect time’ it means only > time, season in hellenic is epohi" > > "If I agree with the explanation, with which I don’t, then Zeus Will > is definitely not to cause just the Iliad but the whole Trojan war, > which is narrated in the previous poems (Kypria epi) and the poems > after Iliad (Aithiopis, Mikra Ilias, Iliou persin etc.) that consist > the Trojan epic circle." regarding Question 3: Why will Achilles sit the war out in his shelter? > "According to the passage, Athena advised Achilles not to assault > Agamemnon this precise moment that he is having his dilemma. She > didn’t advise him to stay out of the whole war. It was his decision to > stop participating in the war because his pride was hurt and he was > very angry of Agamemnon stealing his geras." The problem here is the dogmatic tone of the statements. Assertions of dogma are not in accord with the intellectual ideals of this Class. Humanism is an endeavor that attempts to understand how we, individually, are different from each other, and in that respect there is no single statement or belief that can be solely right or wrong. We all have different points of view, and it is these that make dialogue vital and wonderful and potentially truthful. By careful reading of this ancient Greek poetry and literature which we are all presently reading together, we engage in a mutual endeavor toward an understanding of that culture, that is, the bronze age archaic world represented in the Homeric epics, one which is far removed from our own world. Only by careful and delicate reading of these words can our powers of inference become successful and only then might we present our textually based arguments as part of an ongoing and unfinished discourse. If we draw upon our own particular and personal views we are simply reading 'into' the text: this is not the practice nor the ambition of this Course - nor of Humanism. If we simply and overtly dismiss the interpretations of others in a quick and callous fashion, making the claim that truth is rigidly exclusive, we are not participating in the practice of dialogue and learning. Sincerely, Greg Nagy (with Lenny Muellner, and the HeroesX Team) UserIdTAG: 1218491 UserNameTAG: GregoryNagy CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T14:03:29Z VoteTAG:86 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 31 FirstChildTAG: Prof. Nagy (and team) you're so vigilant! I'm totally speechless at this statement! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1254137 FirstChildUserNameTAG: voupsy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T16:27:01Z SecondChildTAG: What I like from Prof. Nagy and Team is their attentive attitude to our concerns. That attitude encourages me to go forward with this course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228686 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Freynarvaez SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T00:32:48Z SecondChildTAG: I appreciate the timely feedback given by Professor Nagy. I find the professor's helpful exchange to be useful in correcting my own erroneous interpretation that I created, since it's all Greek to me. Birdy SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1033422 SecondChildUserNameTAG: birdymcgraw SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T03:34:34Z SecondChildTAG: Birdy are you getting individual feedback on your close reading exercise responses? If not, what sort of prompt feedback are you speaking of? I'm still waiting on feedback to several questions....Have you found Hour 3 listing in the Courseware tab? I'm getting no feedback on this or other questions:-/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T17:35:45Z SecondChildTAG: BarbaraC - I don't think we're even up to Hour 3 just yet. In the "Important Timeline Update" discussion, they list upcoming hour releases. It says Hour 3 will be posted Monday, April 1. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 936262 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NoodleDeb SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T01:45:49Z SecondChildTAG: Hey BarbaraC, I was was referring to the Note from Professor Nagy on the use of the Discussion Forum. His note clarified a few concerns and questions that I had developed near the end of Hour 2. I needed another definition of hora, and an explanation of what the problems reading into the text may cause. Are we having fun yet? Birdy SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1033422 SecondChildUserNameTAG: birdymcgraw SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T11:42:17Z FirstChildTAG: What I would like to say is that as I come of Greece, at school we were taught adout our ancient history and, till today I had a certain point of view about it. With this class I feel that my horizons are broadened and I'm willing to see the story of my place in a different way with whatever questions may arise which, I think, only can act positively. However, I believe that, without dogmatism, everyone can express themselves, even to disagree. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1386509 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenVakethianaki FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T16:00:35Z SecondChildTAG: I don't think there is an issue with people disagreeing. Prof. Nagy's point is that simply stating that someone is wrong is pretty pointless. It's the process of backing up your reason for disagreement that really matters. Explaining you reasoning and showing how it emerges from the texts can enlighten both the person making the post and those reading the post. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 174100 SecondChildUserNameTAG: markpolak SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T17:59:48Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for your comments, Helen. I visited Greece and Turkey in the summer of 2010 on a cruise with Harvard alumni. In preparation for the trip, I read The Iliad and The Trojan Women, as well as a few books of general background. Those readings really enhanced my experience. I have been curious as to how those of you from Greece in this course would react to the material, so I am glad to see that your horizons are broadening, just as mine are! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1383405 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ghamlin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T21:16:44Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Prof. Nagy, dear staff, dear fellow students, when I read the post up above, I was actually a bit uncertain... is it me as well? Or am I just in the same boat as many others? Actually for me this course (like Justice) is hard and I mean like really hard. Reading the texts (though English isn't my mother tongue) isn't the problem, but then when it comes to the questions... Now how to put this... Quite often I get this feeling as if I was trying to answer questions for the very first time in my life. What I mean is the way of thinking about a topic here is so very different from the way you'd think e.g. in CS. So there I am, trying to get the context of the question, reading and re-reading passages that might fit ... getting to an idea... developing it further... reading and repeating... finally finding words to express it ... quoting passages from the text as a kind of proof. And yes, this all feels like work, though not so much like a chore but rather more like taking part in a long journey to some greater goal... Then again, when I read the last of the quoted statements above ("According to the passage, Athena ...") I wondered: Am I actually on that passage or am I yet another dogmatic bla bla-ist? Or is this one of the things that happen to most who take a course like this one? Best regards, Markus FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1332612 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Markus_Alpers FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T18:36:53Z SecondChildTAG: Hey Markus, I know exactly how you feel. Like the Muses, they know everything, and hear everything, and I think every Ancient Greek understood that. Yet, Dr. Nagy and staff, insist that their powers are dormant until awakened by the Poetry. To me, those nuances are sliced by lasers. So thin that it is hard to see the differences. And, I think that is Dr. Nagy's point; we are reading like moderns. Since you are taking a CS course, I think you could compare it to making a web page in plane language, versus knowing the programming language behind it. For "library," for a programmer, has a similar meaning to library for those of us more technically challenged- our library is for knowledge- their library is for bits of code, already done, to be used in a novel way. I think, and I could be wrong here (like on the assessments so far! LOL) that Dr. Nagy and his staff want us to see behind the program, to its nuts and bolts- so even if we cannot write code, we can recognize an error prompt. English is my first and only language, and I am learning to read in a much different way- so, just let me say I am proud of you for expressing yourself so well. And no, you don't come across dogmatic. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 906282 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ComicKev SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T06:42:26Z SecondChildTAG: Pretty reasonable insight, ComicKev. Thank you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1434105 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 1_iskandarjoned SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T17:49:50Z SecondChildTAG: Really can appreciate your insight here Comickev. Im having a little challenge in altering my patterns of perception from modern to ancient. They are coming in little flashes however. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 SecondChildUserNameTAG: photon101a SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T00:12:18Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you very much for the kind words, ComicKev. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1332612 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Markus_Alpers SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T13:07:05Z FirstChildTAG: Dogmatic? In the context of the assignment exercises I think this is the pot calling the kettle black. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1371764 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Remstal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T21:24:49Z SecondChildTAG: P. S. In case my meaning was not clear, I find it amusing that Prof. Nagy considers student push-back as dogmatic when the real dogma here is that promulgated by the assignment exercises. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1371764 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Remstal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T21:46:30Z SecondChildTAG: I find Prof. Nagy completely undogmatic. In fact, I admire the democracy of this course. I believe Prof. Nagy et al expect us to interact with respect and common courtesy. What a wonderful learning environment! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1277416 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JenniferNebraska SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T22:48:56Z SecondChildTAG: It is challenging to craft a good multiple choice question, and when the question is subject to interpretation and disagreement the 'answer' is likely to seem dogmatic. 'Why will Achilles sit the war out in his shelter?' is a good example because, of course, he will not. Prof. Nagy has already told us that Achilles will die in the war, so I don't feel obliged to apologize for spoilers :) The answer given is a good one - for a different question. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1390512 SecondChildUserNameTAG: StephenPB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T00:28:45Z SecondChildTAG: I've seen the questions more as teaching moments than as checks of what I've learned. Even when I have chosen the "correct" answer, I find the explanations throw a lovely light on the subject and direct my learning. Maybe an answer is too narrow or relies on "reading into" the text--lovely to see that in action. I've found the questions microteachings in the macroteachings of the course--and like the micro- and macronarratives we are studying, I find they reinforce one another. How cool is that! I thank Professor Nagy for practicing what he is teaching us. While my deepest admiration is for how well he listens (to us, to the Narrator!), his skillfull (and unobtrusive) design of this course is a marvel. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1373736 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DanWallaceMA SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T02:44:49Z SecondChildTAG: Well stated Dan SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T02:51:16Z SecondChildTAG: How are the assignment exercises dogmatic? You can't have an "assessment" with out having a right or wrong. Like he said before don't worry about missing questions go over what you missed . For me I missed the first one and realized that the god was angered before Agememnon, and one of the assignments I got a half check on and realized what I had missed or not analyzed thoroughly enough. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1400868 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Warack SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T02:52:20Z SecondChildTAG: Are you certain that Apollo was angered first? Agamemnon threatens to kill Khryses, should he linger - was he not angry? Khryses implores Apollo for vengeance - was he not angry? And the ships first sailed on the winds of anger, long before Khryses' daughter was taken. The assignment answers are only dogmatic if we cannot discuss them meaningfully. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1390512 SecondChildUserNameTAG: StephenPB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T03:43:32Z SecondChildTAG: I completely agree with you Jennifer!! This is a wonderful learning environment! We are expected to be respectful of each other as Prof. Nagy and his staff are respectful with us. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 898081 SecondChildUserNameTAG: antigona SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T04:45:21Z SecondChildTAG: Wow, what a thread. For me, well, i don't see dogma, what I do see is someone with 37 years of experience, in multiple languages, and with the subtlety of experience to color his interpretations, trying to get us to understand context. The context of the Ancients, not the context of our modern sense of "success" and right or wrong answers. I think the Doc and his staff would be well pleased if we look at the little things we learned - like ascending orders of friendships in the Epic narrative. Like most folks, I read the Iliad in HS, and yet, subtle things like that escaped me then- and if memory serves me well enough (not being a muse) forty years ago, they escaped the person teaching me. So, learn on. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 906282 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ComicKev SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T06:48:04Z SecondChildTAG: Being a teacher myself, I am totally enjoying all of this discussion based on what Dr. Nagy said -- and I wonder if my students find me dogmatic at all? I encourage thought and discussion, but I am fierce if I feel they are straying too far away from meaning and understanding of the texts. As Dr. Nagy has said before, we must read out of the text, not into it -- :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1181747 SecondChildUserNameTAG: picohio7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T14:18:45Z SecondChildTAG: I'm sorry, but I disagree that Prof. Nagy has been the least bit dogmatic. A couple of my answers have disagreed with his, but upon reflection I can see his points. Even in this early stage, I am finding that my understanding has been greatly enhanced. I am really enjoying this. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1383405 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ghamlin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T21:13:32Z SecondChildTAG: I agree with StephenPB. I joined this course late and I just took the hour 1 question set. I admit I got a few questions wrong and I was hoping to find a discussion of the questions after the fact but there wasn't one or at least I haven't found it yet. This is the closest thing and I find that disappointing. I did look at all of the explanations of the questions but that's still just one admittedly very learned man's opinion, is it not? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1535554 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Selene452 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T14:50:22Z SecondChildTAG: I guess I would also agree with StephenPB here. How about Menelaus, whose wife taken by Paris, which was the cause of the original campaign in the 1st place? Wouldn't he be angry first? Or Hera because Paris choose Aphrodite over her (not exactly sure if this is part of Iliad but would precedes the other instances if it is)? Since from the beginning it is the story about Achilles that is in the macro narrative , shouldn't those that directly involve Achilles only matters? Achilles with Agamemnon or Achilles with Hector not Apollo with Agamemnon. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1487436 SecondChildUserNameTAG: inurjaya SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T22:07:52Z FirstChildTAG: The experience of learning through dialogue, into which you are gently drawing us, seems very refreshingly different from the practice of much of the aggressive, confrontational modern world. Indeed, wouldn't adapting our thinking to it be immensely worthwhile as an end in itself even if we were unable to retain any lasting knowledge of the Homeric or other ancient Greek works? Would other course participants consider it stimulating to know what thoughts are being posted on other groups' forums? If so, might it be possible to create a “Discussion overview” main section, viewable by all participants, in which the course Team could place any particularly enlightening discussion threads, which have been seen to emerge when looking through all the individual groups? While this might need to be kept 'read only' to avoid it becoming unwieldy, it could prompt very fruitful further exchanges within our smaller groups, and possibly even a mechanism for some extent of inter-group dialogue could be evolved. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1381492 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nickg5c FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T22:14:14Z SecondChildTAG: Great idea including the read only part. That would strengthen discussion within the cohorts while making the experience in the class more uniform across the cohorts. changes such as this probably can't be implemented quickly, but could be considered for the future. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T23:30:03Z SecondChildTAG: Like! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1254137 SecondChildUserNameTAG: voupsy SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T05:58:53Z SecondChildTAG: great idea indeed! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1265551 SecondChildUserNameTAG: erie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T10:27:03Z SecondChildTAG: Very good idea! My discussion group is pretty inactive. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 174100 SecondChildUserNameTAG: markpolak SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T19:31:37Z SecondChildTAG: May be excellent idea but also for non native speakers a lot of trouble too. because you feel that you have to read and understand every of word of the questions as a non native speaker of English. I feel like that because of this all night long I will be reading this column only. I can not imagine 20.0000 questions or comments ... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1369419 SecondChildUserNameTAG: astarde SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T23:20:03Z SecondChildTAG: I can imagine how you feel because I'm having great difficulty taking a first few steps toward trying to understand the Greek of the original texts, and am very glad the course isn't all taught in that language! My idea was that the course Team could try to look through the postings of all the groups, and select only the clearest and most helpful discussions to put into the overview repository. This would be very useful to people whose own cohorts might have wandered a bit off track or just not discussed important issues. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1381492 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nickg5c SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T01:05:45Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Nick. I like your idea about having (at the very least) read-access to the other forum groups. I see nothing at all in my own group--not sure why. Cheers, Genghis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T21:31:19Z FirstChildTAG: Well, I agree. And it is me. I'll try to do better. I just get caught up in the material. Sorry. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 847474 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Allain FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T02:57:59Z FirstChildTAG: Is them the humanist approach to use words like 'perhaps', 'I see something another way, etc, which aren't so declarative. All to avoid upsetting another, avoiding conflict. Just asking. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1374995 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Honey_Bee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T03:47:26Z SecondChildTAG: I started this class with a discussion on this issue. It is a hard question. Posts are easier to read and more interesting without these disclaimers, but maybe they are necessary in this context. What, after all, could I be stating except my opinion? Rudeness is a different matter, but even then the appearance of rudeness may be inadvertent. I think we should each assume the best we can about each other, try to understand what is intended and go on from there. Personally, I am a great believer in simple declarative sentences and know from experience I can sound dogmatic. We all just have to be careful with what we write and tolerant of others. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T14:48:51Z FirstChildTAG: Yes, upon reflection,I must agree, the emperor's clothes are wonderfully wrought. I feel warm and happy gazing upon them as in their reflected light the truths of liberal education make me whole. I'm OK now. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1371764 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Remstal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T04:38:29Z FirstChildTAG: It is a useful reminder from the Professor on what the course aims to promote. I will keep that in mind. Perhaps, I am at the other end of the scale in that I am not too sure about what I should do in coming up with reflections. Am I reading into or out of the text? To begin with, Homer wrote the Iliad about 500 years after the Trojan War. When we try to have a dialogue with classical Greeks, are we seeking to understand the thinking and feelings at the time of Homer, or that of the Trojan War? Or there isn’t much difference in the 500 years apart and many of the themes would be universal anyway. Was Homer a compiler of songs and stories who used existing material to weave into a long epic so the micro narratives could be inconsistent with the macro narrative? It is because the micro narratives could have come from different origins. I am also not sure in how to treat the heroes of the different camps. Would the Trojan heroes be viewed as having the same kind of mental framework as the Achaean ones? They lived in an area which was also susceptible to influence from the civilizations of the Near East and Mesopotamia. Should we disregard this as we will be reading into the text and not out from it? So other epics like Enuma Elish and the Epic of Gilgamesh should not be relevant. As for the glory of the heroes, was it the concept of the ancient Greeks that songs and poems sung and read to recount their heroic deeds long after they were gone would be the totality of it? At one point, Achilles agonized to choose between glory and longevity. Yet, the first heated exchange between Agamemnon and him in the Iliad was not about this but over the giving and taking of the spoils of war. Was that part of this concept of kleos (glory) or they were fuming over more pragmatic things and a lesser kind of glory – a simple matter of ‘face’ or dignity of a king and an able warrior over ownership of somebody/something they both want. I am not sure what to make of it. Incidentally, does the concept of kleos still influence modern Greek culture? Whether I am reading into the text on this one, again I am not sure. If the Iliad starts by going into the final year of the Trojan War, it would mean that for 9 long years, the Achaean camp was in hostile territory (they sacked the neighbouring towns and got , among other things, Chryseis and Briseis) failing to accomplish their mission. The heroes were angry and suspicious. Agamemnon feared that Achilles would topple him and Achilles felt he got a raw deal. Was the wrath from Apollo really the last straw that triggered the confrontation between the two? Is this idea of prolonged stressed out condition reading into the text or out from it? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1385718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jimchenhongkong FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T08:09:12Z SecondChildTAG: The above is the most interesting and thoughtful commentary I have read so far in this string. Third paragraph is especially provocative. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1207929 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RA16415504 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T21:19:53Z SecondChildTAG: RA16415504 Thank you for your kind words. I remain keen to have enlightenment on the questions I have posted or at least to know if others think these are valid concerns. I have spoken with a colleague who was an English Literature major at university. Like Prof. Nagy, she reminded me to make interpretations and advance arguments with premises in the context. That means a good understanding of the text itself and the times in which the text was written. With all the different deities, heroes, and royalties in the epic, I am still figuring out the relationships between them and how the interplays between the gods and the individual personality and choices set the fate of the heroes as the Ancient Greeks would see it. I am tempted to use the concept of internal and external locus of control in psychology to view the actions of the characters. For example, when Agamemnon talked about derangement, was he saying that he was not in control of all his faculties and the locus of control was external? Regarding my question on the mental framework of Trojans and Achaeans, I have in mind two reference points. One is from the ‘Outliers’ by Malcolm Gladwell in which he attributed a success factor of the Oriental learning and working approach to petty farmers’ mentality which appreciates consistent hard work. The other is the character of Detective Charlie Chan penned by Earl Derr Biggers. It may be exotic to fashion a protagonist with the appearance of a Chinese but does the character think like one? Both authors had some thoughts on the Oriental aspects but it is rather incidental that Detective Chan should be a Chinese. It is rather like lnspector Hercule Poirot should be a Belgian. Whether Agatha Christie makes him a Belgian or not, he is still a fabulous detective with vivid personality. It would be interesting if a Belgian can say that Poirot thinks this or does that simply because this is the Belgian way. Homer might have talked about places that were known as frontier of the Grecian civilization at the time but the Iliad actually depicted qualities in heroes that could be readily identified by his contemporaries as their inheritance without foreign flavor. This is like Romeo & Juliet or Hamlet where the backdrops would be exotic but the values would not be for the British audience. As I am still trying to figure out how to understand the Iliad, I am using references and frameworks that I know so I have an inter-language so to speak. This allows me to make sense of what I have read before I can truly appreciate the Greek way of thinking. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1385718 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jimchenhongkong SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T05:07:49Z FirstChildTAG: I love this class. I was very ill for a week, and so I am a class or two behind. But the way you have it layed out to us I think I will get much enjoyment out of reading hours two and three and catching up.....I will be careful and try not to hurry myself out of close reading : ) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 263446 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Riverdaughter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T08:45:47Z SecondChildTAG: I have found that also. When I realised my registration was post hour o I became concerned, but now having read the prescribed material for the first class, and read several of the above observations, I feel I can explore the world of Epic on this course's concentric ripples. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1490234 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Purcell2 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T10:36:54Z FirstChildTAG: I like this: "The problem here is the dogmatic tone of the statements." I totally agree. Dogmatic statements are not in agreement with the goal and the proposal of this course. I entered here to think friendly and want to keep myself far away from any eristic trend. The socratic method search for the comprehension instead of the simple refutation in intelectual battles. Nobody is forced to agree with my viewpoint but, before any discussion, i want to know what is the intentions of people. If someone want to fight against me, he will fight alone and without an ideological enemy. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305100 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ayshagawa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T20:50:18Z SecondChildTAG: Well said! Fighting alone and without an ideological enemy. Wow! You will do well in this course!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 906282 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ComicKev SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T06:43:05Z SecondChildTAG: I like this point of view very much! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1254137 SecondChildUserNameTAG: voupsy SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T10:25:38Z SecondChildTAG: But do you have Zeus and the whole family on your side, Ayshagawa? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 920384 SecondChildUserNameTAG: justmary SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T16:20:57Z SecondChildTAG: No, i have only my ignorance and the desire to aproach the truth on my side. If you have further questions, please feel free to ask me. PS. I was at the jungle in these recent days and had no access to internet until yesterday. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305100 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ayshagawa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T16:06:08Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Ayshagawa, I can't resist asking, which jungle? It is amazing how this course has brought so many people into contact from so many different places. Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T16:54:12Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Hriggs. The jungle was the Brazilian Atlantic Rain Forest. I needed to go there to do some works, including to spread seeds of jatobá tree. At my house lives a big black snake called caninana. She is not poisonous and likes to stay at my ceiling to eat some mouses. One day i found a female didelphos at my dresser drawer. She was trying to make a nest to calve puppies. So i take her to the middle of the bambus and release her. It is good to talk to all of you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305100 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ayshagawa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T22:48:46Z SecondChildTAG: The region is called Vale do Ribeira and here we have some oral traditions that is dissapering, unfortunately. The songs of oral traditions tells about facts of the past but only a few people are preserving this traditions. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305100 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ayshagawa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T23:02:34Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Prof. Nagy for this. I have been thinking about what you say here, and will continue to do so as I prepare for Hour 3 and onwards. In the meantime, I have printed your post, and stuck it up on the cork-board over my computer screen. Whatever others may feel about this, I will not post, *ever*, without first re-reading what you say, nor start reading others' posts without doing the same first. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T11:36:18Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Professor Nagy. I agree with you 100% and was becoming concerned that these forceful comments would spoil the nature of the discussion forum. We are all here to learn after all and we can assist each other without being authoritarian. Good cheer to everyone in Penelope! Smiles, June FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T12:29:18Z FirstChildTAG: Check out today's NY Times article on "The Greek Hero". http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/26/education/harvard-asks-alumni-to-donate-time-to-free-online-course.html FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35667 FirstChildUserNameTAG: butch FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T13:36:34Z SecondChildTAG: thanks for posting this! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T16:05:59Z SecondChildTAG: WONDERFULL !!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T20:27:08Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222438 SecondChildUserNameTAG: TheresaF SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T13:34:11Z FirstChildTAG: I somehow always believed that by "Hellenic" we meant open minded people who thirst for knowledge and do not constrain themselves in dogmas...well as a Greek, I like this "exegesis" far more :)) !! Enjoy the class and appreciate the wonderful opportunity we have been given!! A different look into things does not mean it is a wrong look, just different and why not, interesting! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 894659 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AngelinaPateli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T15:31:37Z SecondChildTAG: Is it Nagy's kleos to be in the Harvard Song sung by its public relations department? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 993875 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CHH-1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T17:46:04Z SecondChildTAG: Why does he need a Harvard pr Dept when countless students past and present provide Prof Nagy's kleos! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 SecondChildUserNameTAG: photon101a SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T00:35:17Z SecondChildTAG: Well if you are asking me about "kleos" I will give you my personal understanding for it (as a Greek, a non dogmatic one :) ). Kleos is something really personal and it is different for every man or woman. I do not know what is prof Nagy's kleos only because I am not him. Achilles tell us about his kleos and it is a different one than the one of Odysseus, of Hector, of Ajax, of Penelope...women should not be left out. And, for my standards and understanding of the world, reputation or image may be "sung" by PR departments...but not kleos...kleos is "sung" by personal aspirations, by public inspiration and not by the "top dogs" of state (whatever that state is, political, academic, artistic) but by the effects it has on a simple man's soul. Let "hora" time judge the kleos of the prof. Yeia sas! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 894659 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AngelinaPateli SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T14:10:40Z FirstChildTAG: While I completely agree that "there is no single statement or belief that can be solely right or wrong" (althought we can be solely right or wrong in our answers to the exercises, which seems a little bit ironic), I second the quoted post about certain questionable translations. If on one hand we should not "dismiss the interpretations of others" (and I totally agree with that), on the other hand we are reading texts that follow a certain linguistic structure, built on the basis of a given social reality, and that we should not "put ourselves into". Therefore, some common basis that underpins dialogue here is to be expected. If this basis already exists, please do make it clear, for I really do not get why so much importance is given to some words, while the meaning of others are totally perverted. Should we forget it is a Greek text and, thus, forget about Greek language at all? Should we focus only on the words emphasised on the provided sourcebook and limit ourselves to the (sometimes questionable) definitions given on h24h? Should we accepted what is being put INTO the text? Just one single example (out of a list that would need a whole scroll to be complete): I have never seen before, in any place, class, book, scientific publications etc φίλος being translated (maybe "transcreated" is more precise here, if we are to play with words) and/or interpreted as some kind of identification, or in the sense of one being acquainted with sm. else (and I could give a bunch of proper greek n./ver./adj. for these ideas). Much on the contrary, anyone who has access to Liddell–Scott–Jones, Middle Liddell, or Slater (or a professor!) can come up with pages and pages of quotes from Homer, Theokritos, Euripides, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Xenophon, Herodotos and so on where the word φίλος is used in a very affectionate way (and maybe it is unnecessary to enter in details about declension cases that change subtle meanings here)... I do not think any of the above mentioned authors would say that linking the word φίλος to (a certain kind of) love (definitely not eros... nor agape... nor... they´re many!) would be "reading the concept of (modern) “love” into the text", while saying that "x" is the real (classical) meaning of it, since it "taps into the idea of the hero’s self, which is in play throughout the inner story", and so "finding x" is really reading out of the text. And if I myself can be more semantically accurate than all of them I just can "guess" something is abstruse in here. Honestly, how are we supposed to read OUT of something if we have to IN-put new meanings (based on our own contemporary repertoire) to long established semantic units? The course is fantastic... But it´s not Homer´s anyway, it´s Prof. Nagy´s Iliad. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1167201 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AndreDeCarvalho FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T11:26:26Z SecondChildTAG: As a non-expert, your post is to me very helpful as it clarifies a hunch that I have had that there are many Iliads, and yes, in this course we are steeped in one of them, that is, Nagy's. (I do also appreciate the delicious irony referred to in your first sentence.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1371764 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Remstal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T12:46:39Z SecondChildTAG: I am a non-expert and non-academic, (also ESL) but would like to say I enjoyed reading your comment, as well as Mr.(?) Remstal’s, since you offer an interesting, albeit challenging point of view. I hope you two continue to express your opinions/perspectives via posting comments. Thank you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T13:03:53Z SecondChildTAG: Well yes! This is Prof. Nagy’s *Iliad*. We knew that from the start. It is his perception and his point of view upon the subject, based on his knowledge, his readings, his experience of studying and teaching this course for years. It isn’t the only approach on *Iliad*, it isn’t the absolute truth. And I think that this is what he’s telling us with his message: to avoid expressing dogmatic opinions as neither we posses the absolute truth about Iliad. After all, it is literature not historical facts – although even then there could be different interpretations. It is only logical that our answers to the assignments should be based in his lectures. Unfortunately, an on-line course doesn’t give us the opportunity to discuss everything with our teachers and express to them our different opinions. But we still have the chance to think about many things and share our thoughts and questions in the forum, if we wish. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T15:17:24Z SecondChildTAG: As for the assignment questions, I wonder about the logical consistency of using the argument by analogy to compare the"microcosm" concept to the macro. As argument by analogy can and must always be proven faulty because there needs must be at least one point of difference, then can the questions be completely true in a philosophical context? Do they strictly measure what we know? I presume it was my fault, but I had a problem with Achilles and the 3 member cohort's relationship. N'est-ce pas? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 920384 SecondChildUserNameTAG: justmary SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T16:27:02Z SecondChildTAG: Justmary, I had a similar problem... Although it´s Prof. Nagy's Iliad, as HelenRouso stated, based on "his perception and his point of view upon the subject, based on his knowledge, his readings, his experience of studying and teaching this course for years", there are two problems in the assignment for this "scene". The analogy thing was a little bit trick but could be solved with some logical leap (wichi is faulty, I agree, but was the only tool at hand). But in the other two cases the given "right" answers are far too distant from what is actually wrote, and Greeks had a very precise way of expressing things. That is why I myself see prof. Nagy puttin into the Iliad, through his interpretations, concepts there are definitely not there. Even if you take the root of some words, take their suffixes, take their "meaning transformation" from the first known (and reconstructed) records all the way to Attic Greek, and then to meadieval copies and so on, even if you propose yourself to do a philological analyses of the excerpts (the same thing you should do when you slow read Nietzsche, or how to understand why he says Socrates was "absurdly rational"), you won´t get the right answer. The point here is not reading out of the Iliad for generally classical greek does not leave room for many diverse interpretations: words do have precise meaning and what is written is written. The point here is to read out prof. Nagy´s mind (which is actually being more complicated than reading out of the original!) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1167201 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AndreDeCarvalho SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T19:45:37Z SecondChildTAG: Why then are you still participating in the course? Professor just shares his vision on the interpretation of the poems. There are plenty others. give examples, ground your arguments, be specific. We are free to choose and to have our own opinion, yet there is respect towards other people's vision of the world. And, guys, I'm really sorry to say it but if you cannot suggest anything instead, either keep listening or quit. Sorry, if it sounded rude. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401834 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lynxess SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T03:55:04Z SecondChildTAG: I can give you a bunch of reasons why I am still participating in the course (and I should really start by saying it is not of your concern, but let me avoid playing your game at least for now)... At first, I said it´s fantastic course, however we´re dealing with Nagy´s Illiad, not Homer´s Iliad. This seems contraditory to the "read out of text" methodology. I also said that I cannot understand why there are so "deep" (in the lack of a better word, for I could also argue against/about that too) philological analyses in some places and a complete disrupted translation in others. And yes, I could provide dozens of examples provided you can read Ancient Greek dialects (actually, I have given references for those more appealed to knowledge, feel free to go to the nearest library). I pointed out the contradiction on right and wrong on Prof. Nagy´s message, and I could also say I´m still participating just because... Or because it´s my will to share my own opinion about Prof. Nagy´s work, since he is no god, no hero, no infallible one (and the only one entitled to my opinion is myself, live with that!)... I could say I like arguing too... But all of the above seems much more non suggestive than the other arguments I presented, arguments you were simply unable to grasp. That professor Nagy shares his own view on the Iliad is not something to discuss. What is on stake is that he askes for some nietzschean way of operating when he himself is "nagyan operating". There´s a real contradiction here and it's beyond my control how much you can apprehend of what's not just explicitly in front of you. As for solid examples, I am prevented from giving them since if I start to discuss translations and concepts on the forum I much probably will have to say how and why the "right" answer is actually wrong, making the right answer avalilable to everyone. I do not know what you understand for "ethics" or "code of honor" but I adhere strictly to them. And last but not least let's be honest: you are not sorry.You did not "sounded" rude" Why the euphemism? You were rude and aggresive from the start, so spare us of such a politeness varnish, it is of no use. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1167201 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AndreDeCarvalho SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T05:14:31Z SecondChildTAG: I couldn't agree more with you AndreDeCarvalho, especially in your last sentence. Anyway, if it's any help: φιλέω-ῶ = ἀγαπάω-ῶ . SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T09:14:06Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for understanding my point, sofiakam. I was feeling like trying to talk to walls heres... But instead answering φιλέω-ῶ = ἀγαπάω-ῶ, we were expected to asnwer that "birds of a feather flock together". i.e. φιλέω-ῶ = ὁμοιάζω. That was one thing very hard to swallow. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1167201 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AndreDeCarvalho SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T19:39:25Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, but there is also an ancient greek saying: Ὅμοιος ὅμοίῳ ἀεί πελάζει... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T10:26:45Z SecondChildTAG: Like and like together strike... I see what you mean... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1167201 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AndreDeCarvalho SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T16:03:29Z SecondChildTAG: I do agree with you too. At first, when I answered the questions I was giving the answers I thought were right; after a while, this shifted to trying to guess what Professor Nagy would think was right, even if sometimes I do not share his opinions myself. (I spent quite some time puzzling over how Athena´s intervention could be understood as advising Achilles to stay out from the war, or how Ate is not seen as a cause in the text, independently of how this could be construed as so-and-so trying to avoid responsibility for his actions). The ideal thing would be to be able to discuss those things, but the online course format and the sheer number of participants of course call for a more "dogmatic" approach in which one answer is right and the other is wrong and there´s nothing more to be said. It simply wouldn´t be possible to do anything else. So it´s basically Nagy´s Iliad, yes - not that this isn´t interesting in its own right. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1521641 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaminaFernandez SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T09:55:35Z SecondChildTAG: The funny thing about that answer on Athena adivising him to stay out of war is when you read the scrolls for hour 3. Scroll XVI, 50 - 70. When Achilles speaks to Patroklos those lines only confirm that Athena refrained him from killing Agamemnon but she never ever told him not to fight against the Trojans. And the questionable "right" answers just goes on an on... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1167201 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AndreDeCarvalho SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T16:40:56Z FirstChildTAG: As I learn from the NYT, each of us is but one out of 27,000 students in this course. Is it any wonder, therefore, that the course leadership might find outré a few of the student comments? What's the harm, one might well ask, of a few outliers? They contribute to a diversity of opinion, enrich and enliven the dialogue, and put to test the received wisdom. I don't see this as "running off the rails" but rather staying out of the rut. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1371764 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Remstal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T16:49:42Z SecondChildTAG: Well stated Remstal. I am a bit perplexed by the Staff needing to highlight certain comments for their "exclusionary" tone. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305733 SecondChildUserNameTAG: N19 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T02:40:05Z SecondChildTAG: What a boring reality it would be with no outliers... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1167201 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AndreDeCarvalho SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T05:17:42Z SecondChildTAG: I said to myself that I will not take part in this conversation, because anything I say might sound in the wrong way, since the two last comments above are mine. It is easy to condemn anything you don't like, but I didn't see any dialogue in my questions, because they were questions, even though it didn't seem so here because they are abstracts transmitted from the original text creating false impressions. I admit that I was terrified that I would be expelled from this class, which I truly admire and I am open to learn new things, which I have so far. I am thrilled to be part in this endeavor but still I don't feel free to express my opinion. What is this regime called when people are afraid to speak? Anyway, from now on when I have queries they will just have to remain queries, it's my fate! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T09:32:02Z SecondChildTAG: will of Zeus SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T02:18:26Z FirstChildTAG: The Greek texts and the courseware (lectures, tests - yes, I find the questions excellent, getting us to read again and again, and reflect!) are marvellous and our good luck in being able to be guided in such a competent and soft though intense way into the heart of this faboulous culture is immeasurable. The forums are obviously the trickiest part of the course. Hardly astonishing, given the numbers and variety of participants. The main problem is that people's egos come into play. Two dangers at least: first, an increasing focus on discussions (i.e. delivering our opinion, on and on - very tempting in this relatively anonymous earthwide framework) instead of on Homer/Nagy; and second, a switch from "learner"-mode to "arguer-mode", and sometimes even "teacher-mode", which contradicts the purpose of this adventure. I would suggest this: talk less, read more, listen, think. *SLOWNESS AND SILENCE.* This being said, I have personnally had wonderful exchanges on the forums and thank my discussion partners for their inspiring ideas and human approach! Cheers, Dominique FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T17:02:47Z SecondChildTAG: I was just thinking that I was spending a disproportionate amount of time on the discussion. So far much of the discussion has been centered on the mechanics and structure of the course rather than the material presented. That will be reduced in the future as the staff develops tutorials and instruction for the technicalities. For this initial experiment it is time to get back to the reason we are all here. As an educated adult I have developed an approach to taking classes outside my area of expertise. I start with the idea that this is the instructor's class. I would not be taking it if I thought I knew the material and wanted to compete with the professor. This doesn't mean that I accept everything presented at face value, but that I will follow his approach as well as I am able and learn as much as I can within his system. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T17:35:06Z SecondChildTAG: I am also done with this discussion and similar ones. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T17:35:48Z SecondChildTAG: I totally agree, Priscilla, and have the same attitude. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T21:23:10Z SecondChildTAG: It seems like I am always going where PriscillaN has gone before, and find dcaillat's footprints there as well. Maybe we can get back to discussing the texts and secondary material. Ironical as it is, the rest is silence. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935479 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T00:10:22Z SecondChildTAG: Stay calm. Cary on. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 SecondChildUserNameTAG: photon101a SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T00:40:56Z FirstChildTAG: I think Prof. Nagy is reminding us to not get all tangled in the trees and to look at the forest. As with any path, the guide has to pick a trail. Otherwise, we'd all scatter. For this course, he is taking us down one trail, to explain how to listen to Greek epic, as it was sung in the old days. When folks get hung up on a particular translation of a word, we must remember that in the oral tradition there was a lot of improvision, so there could be variations used by different singer-narrators. Like the Bible, there are many interpretations. Any word can be used to in ways to fit a concept, an opinion, the thinking of one denomination. Prof. Nagy is leading us on one trail through the forest so we can get to the other side and look back at the whole. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1381577 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RobertaHung FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T17:27:17Z FirstChildTAG: Professor Nagy, the first set of comments that you cite are unlikely to have been written by a native speaker. I think we should take that into consideration. Many language programs still focus on helping learners develop grammatical and lexical competence at the expense of sociolinguistic/pragmatic competence. It's easier to test knowledge of grammar and vocabulary on a multiple-choice exam than it is to test the use of polite language. A test item like, *Which of the following statements is the most polite? A. That's wrong. B. You're wrong. C. I think you're wrong. D. I think that's wrong. E. You must be joking. E. I beg to disagree.* isn't going to be objective because no situation/context has been given. The test taker doesn't know who made the statement to whom when and where, and what may be considered polite to say to a close friend could very well be inappropriate to say to someone else. When I first started out teaching English as a Second Language, I remember a student coming up to me after class and saying, *"Teacher, you must look again at the mark you gave me here!"* At first, I was taken aback by how rude that sounded. But I don't believe that student intended to be rude. He simply hadn't learned how to be polite in English. Another example, this time cultural: In some countries I've lived in I've gone into a store and asked, *"Do you sell X?"* In a number of cases, the answer I've gotten has been, *"No."* That's it. Nothing else. Not, *"No, I'm afraid we don't"* or *"No, but you could try asking in the store two doors down."* Just, *"No."* Sounds kinda rude to me, but how people are polite/what constitutes politeness varies across cultures. I guess I just wanted to make the point that what sounds dogmatic and impolite may not have been intended as dogmatic or impolite at all. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 906924 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Michaelon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T04:29:35Z SecondChildTAG: By the way, if the person who wrote that 'hora' does not mean 'season' happens to be reading these comments, please check Παννακοποθλος, Π. (year?). *Λεξικο της αρχαιας Ελληνικης γλωσσας*. Αθήνα: Πελεκάνος. Under the entry for ώρα is "εποχή, κατάλληλος καιρός ή χρόνος". SecondChildUserIdTAG: 906924 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Michaelon SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T05:14:41Z SecondChildTAG: hora=ώρα=60 minutes season=εποχή=epohi but in modern greek,we use hora metaphorically,as season.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1334491 SecondChildUserNameTAG: maria33gr SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T08:36:24Z SecondChildTAG: In support of Michaelon's observation about cultural context: I am a native English speaker but have worked in India for some time. I was at first taken aback by Indian visitors on departing from my office saying, "You will get me a taxi." A native English speaker would probably say, "Could you please get me a taxi?" As I see a comment about 'hora' above, may I also add that I'm a speaker of Modern Greek (my wife being Cypriot) and there is an expression '..tin ora mas' = time for us to leave, i.e. our time has come. As a matter of interest, many words in the Cypriot lexicon are closer to Classical Greek than to Modern. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1460174 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Foxy2 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T12:33:57Z FirstChildTAG: I really appreciate Prof. Nagy's so modern approach to teaching. It's so different than the teaching I'm used to in my country's educational system: it promotes dialogue and opinion, it makes you *think* and look at things in a different perspective than the one you are used to, it doesn't care if your answer is wrong or right! Truly amazing and inspirational; I wish I can become a teacher just like Prof. Nagy! In contradiction, in my opinion the test format isn't on the same level as Prof. Nagy's method. Maybe I'm one of the dogmatics. But I think it's a bit contradictory to promote such a liberal and free way of teaching on the one hand and on the other hand asking a question giving only 3 answers and you know what? only one of them is correct, so if you get it wrong you are doomed. I wish we could explain our answers in the Questions Set as we do in the Annotation Exercise. In addition, many of the questions in both Assessments - but especially in the Annotation Exercise - may include more than one of the answers. Only one of them is considered correct, though. I highly doubt that the Staff can or will read through all of our answers. But, if they did, they could see that with good reasoning and solid arguments even the considered wrong answers can become more proper answers than the "correct" ones. As Prof. Nagy said, Humanities is all about discussion and dialogue, there is no absolute right or absolute wrong. So why not les us explain why we think something is right and reject our answer immediately? Maybe we can convince you that our answer is better than the one you propose. In my opinion, you should consider a different assessment process. I know it's difficult, given the number of people attending this course, but I think a more modern, more subjective method of assessment, in full accordance with Prof. Nagy's teachings, should be applied. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1336128 FirstChildUserNameTAG: psofia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T11:56:37Z SecondChildTAG: With 27,000 students in this course (see NYT) the only viable assessment format is multiple choice. (There is no way that the "long answer" essay blocks will be read by human beings.) Thus the absolute "right/wrong" binary is inevitable as the assessment philosophy, however crude and however inconsistent with the stated goals of the course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1371764 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Remstal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T12:34:59Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Remstal, There is an interesting aspect of what Prof Nagy has done within this framework. Often, all choices are true in some sense, so that the judgement that must be made is which one is best, rather than which one is correct (versus the others being incorrect). Further, on the annotation exercises, while it is true that our essay's can't be graded or read directly, the questions that follow are *about what we should/might have written*, and this is, at least for me, rather innovative and interesting. Even though the ambiguity of the answers has been much lamented (by me as well) the answers do sit balanced in the middle resisting a simple resolution by any means but careful thought. Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T13:18:53Z SecondChildTAG: I like your thinking about this Hal. The red x is so oppressive though. I vote for a yellow triangle: slow down, re-read, *lento*! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T15:19:47Z SecondChildTAG: psofia have a point here. For example, I found the multiple choice question about “kholos” and the three answers very tricky. For all I know, it would be the same if the question was “Guess what is in my mind right now” and the possible answers: a) blue color, b) the color blue, c) blue the color. The different approach on the subject is so interesting and stimulating but the answer to this specific question came out of the blue. :-) Well, as I mentioned earlier, during this kind of internet course it’s impossible to discuss those matters with the teachers. So, it’s nice to be able to participate in the forum. Hriggs, thank you for your comment! It is very helpful. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T15:30:56Z SecondChildTAG: I also found all three answers to the questions to be true, but just one more complete than the others. The questions helped me read closer, not only what I recall at first read. Was it only a "cause," or "effect," or "cause and effect." The Will of Zeus would not be just this and that, if you think about it, but the whole enchilada = the Iliad. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374891 SecondChildUserNameTAG: alohapaulette SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T18:23:54Z SecondChildTAG: Context is everything. A question about cause-and-effect will vary depending on whether it refers to one specific moment within the text as given by a specific speaker; whether it refers to that moment within the context of an overall scene; or whether it refers to that moment within the context of the text as a whole. In the case of the "Will of Zeus," the correct answer was to be understood within the context of the text as a whole, but we have not read the text as a whole just yet. The question could have been put more clearly. Our understanding of *how* to "read out" of a text evolves within the context of our progressive reading (or eventual re-reading) of that text. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T19:36:50Z SecondChildTAG: I think the purpose of the assessment is to prove our attendance, which is all the certificate documents. It seems to me it is possible to learn from the assessment as well. It is frustrating to get the red X (I got a lot of them), but that doesn't make the assessment process dogmatic. I'm still going to argue that this is a remarkably democratic process and that the hurtle (assessments) is low. AND isn't it cool to get all of this for FREE? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1277416 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JenniferNebraska SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T20:15:31Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks to all who have responded to my post. An oral poem like the Iliad is I think about community, binding all who listen to it to the poet, to each other, and to their common history and culture. In some small sense these discussion help build a community -- much better would it be if we could meet in a coffee house or bar -- but this is all we have. Let's make the most of it! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1371764 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Remstal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T21:56:38Z FirstChildTAG: Let me add my thanks to Prof Nagy and all Harvard staff that gave me the opportunity to return to Iliad ,after almost 30 years of my first approaching at school. I am very pround to be a member of this learning community. As for the "hora" **ώρα** and **ωραίος** (beautiful)...i dint just noticed the coincidence of the way the 2 words are written. Have a look at the bottom line of this link http://www.greek-language.gr/greekLang/modern_greek/tools/lexica/triantafyllides/search.html?lq=%CF%89%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%BF%CF%82 were it says **ὡραῖος `όμορφος΄, αρχ. σημ.: `στη σωστή στιγμή, κατάλληλος΄** ancient meaning: **at the right time, suitable** Here i have to reffer to a greek -orthodox athem that says "ο ****ωραίος κάλει** παρά πάντας βροτούς" : O the beautiful (or in my opinion the one that is on his time...has the "KALOS" is beutiful more than any other human... Once again thank you for the opportunity i was given to share these thoughts... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1338749 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dimadamidis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T20:50:31Z FirstChildTAG: Ah, I totally agree FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1391459 FirstChildUserNameTAG: margiegg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T05:41:26Z FirstChildTAG: I see a lot of comments analyzing what Professor Nagy posted on this thread. Then I asked myself. Am I suppose to be analyzing this too like others? Or just read what I am suppose to read (Hour 0-2) and learn from the experts. I am so far doing "ok" with my readings. So far, I have answered some of the questions correctly, still working on it -- focusing more on learning and using the test questions as my guide to understand the text without any bias. And so far, my analogy of the text is as simple as it comes to me. I am impressed with all the big words some people used in the discussions that terrifies me, and admire the simple but direct answers of the staff. At the end of the day I realize, "words" are indeed powerful. And human emotions can be very tricky... Oh like Iliad! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1382449 FirstChildUserNameTAG: laquino FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T06:06:00Z FirstChildTAG: Regrettably, "Hora" in ancient Greek language has also the meaning of season, it is the same route to say horimos=mature=in and on its time. Hora, horaios,(that is beatiful, he/she has come to his/her hora, so has beauty in its finest moment and appearance), horimos have the same route. So, explanation of seasonable, is, according to my opinion, a very exact one. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1275949 FirstChildUserNameTAG: filareti FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T21:50:53Z FirstChildTAG: I'm curious -- are staff deleting comments from discussion threads? Yesterday I read this thread, made two "sub-comments", and not only have those comments disappeared, but also, one of the comments I responded to is now gone. What's up with this? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 FirstChildUserNameTAG: lmarie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T01:22:10Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Imarie, If the lead poster of thread deletes their post, then everyone else' comments on that post go *Poof!* and vanish. It does not need to be the staff person. Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T20:04:17Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, I figured that out, but one of my comments was on a post that is still there (I saw my response listed, but it is now gone). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lmarie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T03:45:00Z SecondChildTAG: Actually, I have also had the impression that I have made a post, and that it has disappeared; but I have never been quite sure of what happened. Perhaps we should compose any posts of importance in a text editor and paste them in, or copy them just before we post them. Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T04:35:25Z SecondChildTAG: Dear all, to my knowledge our team has not deleted a single comment, reply, or thread. I have only altered a handful of posts where a very young participant revealed their age. And I wrote to these individuals to let them know I had done so. Please let me know if this happens again. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T14:16:09Z SecondChildTAG: Claudia, I have talked with two others who have had similar experiences. It seems to happen rarely, but it does seem to happen. The only context or clue is that it seems to have happened when I have left the discussion page quickly. But this may be a red-herring it may just be that when the number of posts is rapid, something odd happens. But I do definitely remember see the post in posted format then having it disappear. I know the engineers are working hard! Hal Riggs SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T18:22:10Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for the response, Claudia. I just couldn't figure out why my posts disappeared, and wondered if censoring was going on (which, if you had responded in the affirmative, would have led me to drop the class immediately.) There's clearly some kind of bug, since I saw my posts on in the responses. BTW, I am going to copy this post to a wall-note, so that I can recover it if it disappears. ;) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lmarie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T00:57:35Z FirstChildTAG: This is what I like in Prof. Nagy's way of explaining things: clarity and simplicity. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893048 FirstChildUserNameTAG: porfyrus FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T14:54:08Z SecondChildTAG: I totally agree with you.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280337 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Afroditi2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T15:58:01Z SecondChildTAG: I totally agree with you.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280337 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Afroditi2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T15:58:45Z SecondChildTAG: You are right on porfyrus and this is one of the reasons all of us will leave this course better than when we came. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T16:11:55Z SecondChildTAG: I know I'm right... :))))) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 893048 SecondChildUserNameTAG: porfyrus SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T16:19:02Z SecondChildTAG: I agree :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228686 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Freynarvaez SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T23:57:00Z SecondChildTAG: I would have been mortified if my statements had been cited by Dr Nagy as being inappropriate. And, I'd be reluctant to speak up again. An in-class remark would have only been heard by others physically present, whereas the web....... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374995 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Honey_Bee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T12:17:00Z SecondChildTAG: You know, this is one big problem with online communication. We are sometimes misunderstood because the reader can't see our facial expression or hear the actual tone of our voices. I think we should accept Dr. Nagy's concern as it was intended -- he wants us to be open minded about what we are reading and learning. Of course, I'm not Greek, so I would never dare to presume to know exactly what the words mean literally -- but still, I am relying on his expertise to guide me here. That's why he is the professor and we are the students -- but beware, Dr. Nagy -- we are going to become as expert as you!! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1181747 SecondChildUserNameTAG: picohio7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T14:08:49Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you, Prof Nagy! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 975378 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Catharina SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T17:27:04Z SecondChildTAG: Reading "out of text" and interpreting the information we read is what Prof. Nagy and his team is guiding us towards. This is, in my opinion, important and not the literal translation which can be misleading sometimes. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T23:27:45Z SecondChildTAG: We are all "fellow learners" in this class. I would not take Prof. Nagy's comments personally. Let's learn from each other, including our own mistakes, and have fun :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1406956 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DrAmyLiu SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T00:33:49Z FirstChildTAG: To attempt to make and give a grand and and dogmatic opinion on the course, and on one word, after one or two hours leaves a lot to be desired as an expression. Such dogmatism about what one word means to some one or an other not really being open minded, especially in a course such as this. There will always be distract(ions)(ors) in life, and here and now, is no different than the rest of life per se. In the opinion of most of your students, Dr Nagy, you are an excellent teacher, instructor, as well as respected, Professor. I for one, would never even imagine that I could ever attempt to be so egoistic as to attempt criticize you, or the course, in such a manner as was done. I may not agree with every thing, but it is certainly up to me to simply determine whether what is said is wrong, of if it is simply I who has failed to grasp the right connotation of what is being presented to me. Keep up the good work, most of us, if not all, appreciate the work and effort that is being put in to this course in the manner that it is, and especially through this media. Whether I understand any or all of it, or agree with everything that is placed before me, it is an unmeasurable benefit which is being made available to all of us. Thanks FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1097739 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Drfipena1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T18:06:56Z FirstChildTAG: How many Professor Nagy's are there? This PROFESSOR is super human...must be a member of the Justice League clones GREAT JOB and an eye opening class, seeing how our justice system's PRISONS are being fastidiously funded by private investors. Unfortunately US Citizens are being facing charges are more of a body count with a net worth and return on investment FirstChildUserIdTAG: 501807 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HDfilmdoctor FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T19:54:03Z FirstChildTAG: I WOULD suggest that all of us are learning to slice the orange a little thinner: this often means an issue of levels of correctness, rather than the discovery that you or someone else has the only correct answer to a question. It is quite easy to find that both answers are correct, that neither of them is absolutely incorrect, and that we then have to find the level at which the question put was framed, and judge that one or other (sometimes neither) is slightly weighted towards that level of correctness. I am myself rarely quite dogmatic on any question, and con-versation is precisely that---a non-dogmatic approach to serious issues, without either one claiming the kudo of being absolutely what everyone would agree to. wh FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 FirstChildUserNameTAG: whaskett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T18:02:27Z FirstChildTAG: I think that the multiple interpretation, that everything is possible and right, it ´s the beatiful of the literature, social science, and humanism in general. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 982103 FirstChildUserNameTAG: diegogarzonv FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T21:49:49Z IndexTAG: 15 TitleTAG: [FROM STAFF] IMPORTANT TIMELINE UPDATE Through the generous cooperation of our colleagues at edX and HarvardX and through the continued advocacy of Professors Gregory Nagy and Leonard Muellner, we have been able to negotiate a timeline that better promotes our ideals for this learning experience: Updated Timeline Hour 3 will be posted Monday, April 1 Hour 4 will be posted Monday, April 8 Hour 5 will be posted Monday, April 15 Hour 6 will be posted Thursday, April 18 This timeline provides a gentle introduction that allows us to focus more of our time together on developing the slow reading skills and deep engagement with the texts necessary for making mental connections and "systematic thinking". Best, Claudia, Editor of Content and Social Media UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T16:18:20Z VoteTAG:79 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 55 FirstChildTAG: thank you! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1328934 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bokgil FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T03:07:10Z SecondChildTAG: thank you SecondChildUserIdTAG: 929600 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nikopetsalis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T12:21:41Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you thank you and thank you. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 321397 FirstChildUserNameTAG: claudi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T20:52:21Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you... φοίλτατοι..! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T21:55:36Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for this road map. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374902 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 1stname SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T19:09:16Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you very much ---------- SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1259598 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mary0Lovecraft SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T20:10:55Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Claudia. Your hard work and the material you and the rest of the team are making available to us is very much appreciated. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1082516 SecondChildUserNameTAG: andyh1001 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T13:19:20Z SecondChildTAG: Great! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1223249 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ximilpa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T01:57:25Z SecondChildTAG: thank you Claudia for the updates SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1409645 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ashiorkor SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T09:22:29Z SecondChildTAG: Great, thank you SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1550816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HazemSaad SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T23:31:15Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks that will be better for us. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 967254 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sanchez04 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T23:04:41Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you very much for the notification and the more relaxed schedule. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T23:18:55Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you for the update! Does this updated timeline alter the end date for the course? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897034 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T16:25:19Z SecondChildTAG: Not at present; we built in enough time to accommodate a schedule shift. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 615718 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T17:32:14Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks! Really god idea. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1393080 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tijana30 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T20:47:48Z FirstChildTAG: Wonderful! Thank you so much for the update! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T16:46:22Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much Claudia. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300615 FirstChildUserNameTAG: alex-tsigaras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T16:53:36Z FirstChildTAG: that's great! thanx! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1275949 FirstChildUserNameTAG: filareti FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T16:58:55Z FirstChildTAG: This is indeed good news! I have felt rushed and a bit frustrated in that I felt I could not really relish the readings and grasp the fresh and intriguing insights offered by Professor Nagy and colleagues in the current timeline. Vielen Dank für Ihr Verständnis. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1237369 FirstChildUserNameTAG: OrcasVati FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T17:03:46Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Claudia that makes so much sense. It is just so good to know the timeline and to be able to plan around it.So I guess from week commencing 15th April we are back on our twice weekly schedule? Delphine FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T17:11:25Z FirstChildTAG: thank you for the new timeline. being struck by persisting flu i was beginning to feel time stressed. by the way be extra careful this 'new' flu takes 2-3 weeks to let you be. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1359117 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fernir FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T19:23:25Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you . I am very new to these studies and was beginning to panic that I would not be able to keep up.It has taken me a while to find a structured way to read and digest the texts.Perhaps now I can relax a little. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1044490 FirstChildUserNameTAG: avalonx FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T17:25:00Z SecondChildTAG: great - I was beginning to feel a little stressed as I was late in starting due to other priorities. now life is looking more relaxed, as is the course itself, so hopefully we an all spend more time of the discussions. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1227249 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nick589 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T17:55:52Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you very much for the new timeline. It is much better for all of us who work and have family issues at the same time! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1304373 FirstChildUserNameTAG: christinatzoum FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T17:36:47Z SecondChildTAG: I totally agree!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1310723 SecondChildUserNameTAG: THEMATRIXGLOBE SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T21:00:15Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much for this great news! We definitely appreciate this extra time! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T22:16:16Z FirstChildTAG: thank you for the update, although i don't feel as though i am struggling, the added time will allow a better opportunity to slow read through the materials. It will also allow a better opportunity to delve into added enrichment. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 959393 FirstChildUserNameTAG: slinkysbarbie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T19:00:36Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much. It feels good to have more time to read and think about each unit. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 390478 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jeannine87 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T19:25:48Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks so much for letting us know ~ I've been worried about where the Hour 3, then 4 online resources were ~ thought perhaps my computer was malfunctioning.I also appreciate the adjustments made in the timeline. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T19:36:48Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks! I felt I was getting grip on the matter, but wondering if I could keep up this pace already from the beginning. Much better this way... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1274921 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MWLArts FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T19:39:13Z FirstChildTAG: I couldn't agree more! Thanks for all your efforts! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294673 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KOTSOS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T16:27:23Z FirstChildTAG: Many thanks, Claudia! You all have been bending over backwards to make a wonderful opportunity even better. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1243931 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Diana621 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T20:32:24Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks! Great news Much more like it! Do you think this is likely to affect the finishing date, though, or are we going to pay for it towards the end? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T21:01:43Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much! this new schedule will keep me from getting so far behind FirstChildUserIdTAG: 963006 FirstChildUserNameTAG: trustingHim FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T22:57:46Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much. This action is really important to us!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 968112 FirstChildUserNameTAG: libardoangarita FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T01:13:32Z FirstChildTAG: Looks as though some of us like a little more time. Thanks. Less pressure allows me to really appreciate the value of what I'm getting out of this experience. If I once had a hubris issue, its certainly on the wane. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 FirstChildUserNameTAG: photon101a FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T01:18:50Z SecondChildTAG: every time you post, photon, it is like a ray of light. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T05:27:44Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you. That may give some time for re-reading earlier materials as well. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1431569 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Pyrrha FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T02:32:09Z SecondChildTAG: Pyrrha, I found the source you asked of the myth of Heracleus and I posted it at "heroes are free agents". There is another beautiful myth about Cheiron the wise Centaur who was the teacher of many heroes (Asklepios, Aristaios, Peleus, Castor, Jason, Achilles and Heracleus). I suppose it was a very difficult task to teach so many Ancient Greek Heroes. He was immortal, yet he was wounded accidentally by Heracleus and became a constellation by Zeus. So heroes had a very dedicated teacher, a special wise teacher who taught them how to be heroes, because they were young, brave and strong but not wise enough. Many thanks to prof. Nagy and all of you for this course and your patience with all of us. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T20:08:38Z SecondChildTAG: I have been sick- I am catching up with hour 2 and 3 tonight. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 247732 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Snazzy2 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T01:30:38Z FirstChildTAG: Duly noted. Thank you FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1319115 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Meraxes FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T05:38:30Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much. I want to take the most of the course and I feared there was not much time. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 987013 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Itaipu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T17:23:50Z FirstChildTAG: janet m thanks so much. i am so happy with this course. i spend several hours reading, thinking, analyzing. i haven't been this happy since my graduate school days so many years ago. NYT article yesterday was exciting. 27,000 students! terrific. thank you so much for all that you do. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1291479 FirstChildUserNameTAG: moriartyjanet FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T20:12:28Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, Many thanks to all the staff. I think I was rushing too much. I have learned a valuable lesson; do not do the final check until I have done all my re-reading and re-viewed the videos! I have changed my perspective by re-reading a number of times. I thank Professor Nagy and Professor Muellner for being so considerate and all the unknown people who are taking such care with this course. Smiles, June. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T06:12:46Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you very much! Keep up the good work! The course is so exciting!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1142293 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EleniL FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T11:02:42Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you for the new timeline! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1286468 FirstChildUserNameTAG: li_a FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T05:46:16Z FirstChildTAG: Procrastination becomes Virtue at Harvard ! Love Vjim ;-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 938644 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vjim FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T11:54:47Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you! Readinng will be easier now! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1464284 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GravN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T12:52:10Z FirstChildTAG: Thx so much. The new timeline will help a lot. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240573 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Pezk FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T16:48:28Z SecondChildTAG: That's great!!! Thanks Claudia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 932815 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athens71 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T23:29:30Z SecondChildTAG: GREAT IDEA , THANKS STAFF SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T00:01:38Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for the thoughtful adjustment on the timeline! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1406956 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DrAmyLiu SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T00:19:56Z SecondChildTAG: Oh, yes, the new timeline is critical. The information here is so deep and detailed and wonderful and life is so hectic that I had begun to fear for the success of my learning journey. So happy to find out I was not alone and that the boat is far from capsizing! Thanks for spacing out the lessons! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1311707 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CamilleH SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T01:54:44Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1193639 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nashtessa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T08:41:18Z SecondChildTAG: It was a really good decision and definetely it will be more effective for all of us, i think!!!!Thank you!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1382946 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Efstathia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T10:25:47Z SecondChildTAG: In Plato's Ion (535d) what do these bracketed numbers refer to? how am i supposed to access the glossary? and i dont have epub, can you give me a pdf or online reading link for the ancient greek hero in 24 hours? also, how to make use of the footnotes? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1313411 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Prakruti SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T13:23:37Z SecondChildTAG: thanks a lot! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1403715 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Kate_Io SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T16:21:22Z SecondChildTAG: Prakruti: Numbers in brackets are the line numbers (usually of a standard edition of the Greek text - use them to refer to a particular line). H24H is available at the top right of this page in html. If you want it in epub format for offline reading, you can download Calibre or similar epub readers. PDF is not available; the staff said for copyright reasons. The glossary is in H24H, last entry but one (Core Vocab), and you can follow refs by going to the next link (Biblio). Hope that helps. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T21:42:21Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you. That helps a lot! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1194180 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gianna_z FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T15:58:36Z FirstChildTAG: That makes sense now since one hour a week is sth we can deal with, there is no point is moving so fast if there is no time to study and think about what you have just read. By the way, the course is great! Thank you very much. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1313208 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MAROPIPEROU FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T07:57:50Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you! We can schedule our programme betteer with this timeline! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1267581 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Thodoras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T15:33:32Z FirstChildTAG: I'll be a contrarian and point out that the schedule seems to get busy (two lessons per week) starting with hour 6 when we start reading 8 scrolls of the Iliad or Odyssey per "hour" for 6 hours straight. So we're getting one "hour" per week when the reading is very light, and getting sped up just when the reading load really picks up. This isn't really a complaint, as I am happy this course is being offered at all and I'm enjoying it tremendously. People may want to pay attention to this, and get some Iliad and Odyssey reading done early. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 174100 FirstChildUserNameTAG: markpolak FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T15:39:11Z SecondChildTAG: Good advice! Thanks SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T16:46:43Z SecondChildTAG: Oops! You are right markpolak! Thank you for the advice and just hope for the best... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T09:50:17Z FirstChildTAG: Oh yeah, thanks this helps out much. Margie Garris FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1391459 FirstChildUserNameTAG: margiegg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T00:09:34Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much for this course and the amazing work you are all doing. It is a real pleasure to listen, read and learn much more than I actually learnt in Junior High School... Thank you again.... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 911446 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Itemliz FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T16:51:32Z FirstChildTAG: Yes, this is a wonderful course, and I would hate to see people get frustrated and disappear because of that. Hopefully with this more relaxed schedule we will all be more effective slow readers, and so then be able to read slowly more quickly! Hal R FirstChildUserIdTAG: 475967 FirstChildUserNameTAG: hriggs FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T17:12:58Z SecondChildTAG: ὀξύμωρον oxymoron, isn't it? I like the way you set it forth. And agree with the timeline, you and this beautiful, beautiful course! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1200097 SecondChildUserNameTAG: yaryur SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T21:02:45Z SecondChildTAG: *Indeed, we can be slow readers more quickly! Good luck!* SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1397060 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EleniK SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T08:54:23Z SecondChildTAG: fast "food" for thought ?? We'd better chew well, or we'll have a hard time digesting !! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343062 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Persefone3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T00:30:24Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Hal, how have you been? Pelopsia is doing well. Not much activity but I understand. I'm having too much fun trying to get the water down to my eyes. If it weren't for the breathing tube, I'd be a goner. Take care and good to see you here. Don't get much cross-group chatter now. Just as well. Way too deep for me over at Biseis Kingdom. Best wishes Hal Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T06:24:35Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Bobby, I am glad too hear from you! I am actually in Meleagros. Click on my name (at the right time of day to avoid 404 errors due to server overload) to see my active threads. In that way, you can visit Meleagros Isle (which is quiet, perhaps like Pelopsia). jennifercole is also a fellow Meleagrean. I heard from Dominique about what happened with the thread; she actually had a copy of much of it so all was not lost. Just in case you are interested, I did contact the edX engineers and they can in principle restore that thread to you; but they cannot do it without your express permission. But as you note, the water runs deep with those Briseans and perhaps it is best to move on! Best, Hal (And don't forget to visit!) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T16:50:52Z SecondChildTAG: I have mixed feelings about the visiting from cohort to cohort. Personally, I am not sufficiently well educated in this subject to begin an erudite discussion and maintain it. It seems that those who are and who are not overly concerned with not being dogmatic are all posting on the same discussions. I understand that this started when we were all in Briseis and that it is completely natural to want to do so. However, there is something wrong when essentially everyone who posts comments on how quiet their cohort is. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T20:12:19Z SecondChildTAG: Hi PriscillaN, I think it is important to post to one's own cohort, and try to start discussions by asking questions; so I have tried to do both. Bobby5991 started a great thread just by thinking through some things while reading the text, and then asking, "Hey, what do you think of that?" It might work both ways: by visiting another cohort (as well as starting and supporting discussions in your own) you may help that cohort get to a critical mass of posters where more people will feel comfortable posting their ideas. I know that we all come to this with different abilities and backgrounds, but I think that listening and imagining, skills we all share, are the only really important ones for this course. In fact, extra knowledge can get in the way. Perhaps, for context: Bobby5991 and I had been involved in an interesting thread, when it disappeared. So the request I made above, was in part attempting to just repair that sudden separation. Someone noted that in a previous online course it took a few weeks for people to catch up and start posting. One pattern I do see is that there seem to be a lot of posts to the leading pinned staff posts, rather than to local posts. Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T20:42:17Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Priscilla, I entirely get your point. Hal has explained the context re a mutual course friend, whom we were helping to get a discussion started after he had been moved to another cohort and was experiencing difficulties. I very much agree that many posts and discussion threads have become extremely erudite, not to say academic. Something which, interestingly, prof. Nagy himself successfully avoids. I find his way of getting us gently but intensely into the subject matter, through repetitious reading out of the texts, fascinating. It provokes us into thinking and never feel we haven't got enough background to do so. We are just encouraged to keep developing and adapting our thoughts as the course moves on, at our own pace. It works! I am totally surprised by how my own ideas have evolved - in such a short time, almost spontaneously, just from reading and listening. The discussions, on the other hand, are increasingly how-brow and time consuming (just reading them!), and I personally feel I have less and less to contribute, being a litle out of sync, or out of my range. I have started to softly withdraw, on the tip of my toes... I confess that I have, however, been following Hal's track, on account of a previous "friendship" that came spontaneously into being at the beginning of the course:-) Thanks for your interesting posts, which I have stumbled upon several times already! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T06:46:18Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Priscilla and Dominique, I read the *Introduction* to Professor Nagy's *The Best of the Achaeans* (it is short and free online) and it helped clarify a few things (relevant I think to these discussions). It describes the way he sees a system of meaning behind epic poetry deeply meshed with Greek society over time. His key method is to see this system of meaning revealed in the (key) words used (diction and theme are tied closely). And I see that his idea *for us* is not to go off the etymological deep-end, but rather to notice how these words appear in the text as sign-posts, so that we can see patterns emerge in the text. There is then a need to start *without* making all these external (and often high-brow) connections. This seems to me to be a rather equalizing approach. (It was interesting to learn that Professor Nagy grew up in the Midwest, Indiana I believe, and that he liked the open friendly attitude found there. This fits with the open inclusive spirit of this course.) Thanks so much Dominique! I do appreciate your continued presence here. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T12:33:28Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Priscilla, Concerning, > However, there is something wrong when essentially everyone who posts comments on how quiet their cohort is. Here is a quick estimate. There are about 100 posts on the global staff threads, and about 20 cohorts. So I would estimate that there are only about 3 or 4 active posters in each cohort. Ours is just beginning to pick up with more people just getting started. If those early active posters came from Briseis then it has been like a sudden decompression of activity. So our challenge has been to *start* (welcoming) discussions; it is much easier to just respond to other peoples posts. So in our own threads we must commit to a > Post Early! Post Often! Post Invitingly! attitude. But I would like to hear from time to time how it goes with you! All the Best, Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T14:09:14Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Hal, just wanted to say that I don't find your posts high-brow but on the contrary wise and thought-provoking, with an apropriately humanist vision :-). And yes, prof. Nagy's way is very "organic", as we like to say in the theatre, where every good performance originates in the body. At the beginning is a physical sensation, from which true emotion and understanding arises... Never start in the head! So let's always get back, as we are encouraged to, to the texts and to the Greek flag-words that develop a mantra-effect (leaving a physical trace in our minds and producing thoughts - surely very different ones for each of us!) Easter was strange. The rituals suddenly seemed less empty, as they resonated with the ancient myths and shed their dogmatic content, revealing themselves as part of an old chain of storytelling about death and immortality... I suggested as much to a relative, who thought I was mad, but never mind. Best, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T16:01:28Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Dominique and thanks :-), Your experience of Easter rituals in the context of ancient myth and this course is, I imagine, much closer to the way people experienced them when the rituals were young. The most moving experiences I have had in such contexts have never seemed deeply related to the explicit beliefs of the people involved. But then my family religious background is Quaker: silent meetings with each member (no leader or minister) listening and responding carefully to a perceived inner light, with a complete absence of ritual being the ritual itself! As always, Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T19:44:28Z SecondChildTAG: Hal and Dominique, Thanks for talking with me. Your, and others, posts are the reason my feelings are mixed. I am also reading *The Best of the Achaeans*. The method described there moved this class from a very interesting diversion for me to a serious interest. I agree, Dominique, that it is amazing how well this system of learning works and how little previous knowledge matters. I do think that my age is a plus, except for remembering details of what I just read. It is delightful to write you. It is harder work to stay on topic within my cohort. I shall try. P. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T23:26:48Z SecondChildTAG: Hi PriscillaN, I think your words capture something essential here. For some reason this course (content and spirit), or *this course and all of us*, has created a place where (to quote you): > "It is delightful to write (each other)" The focus on the text and its world and yet its wider connections (Nagy's film clips and cultural connections perhaps) seems to free us to express fairly deep thoughts and emotions in ways understood as personal yet perceived as universal. I have never so enjoyed writing words to other people, while at the same feeling like I have been heard and that I can hear them when they write. I cannot imagine how this could occur in a face-to-face class. Perhaps I get carried away with this, as Dominique can tell you, but it is completely heart-felt. Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T02:02:05Z SecondChildTAG: Hello again, with pleasure. Yes, Priscilla, I think it is great to learn again after having gathered quite a lot of experience along the years: it makes the whole subject come alive, because it resonates with our lives. It it is a double enrichment: the stories become, in a way, variations of our own stories; conversely, our life becomes rooted in age-old narratives. We are inside "it" and "it" is inside us. We are not alone, but part of a long thread... Feeling part of a family and happy to share this common pleasure with one another. Hal, you mentioned somewhere something about learning and falling in love and I feel something similar. As if we, as a mass movement of learners, were in that rather ecstatic mood of being in love with an experiment, with the subject-matter, with our teachers and with one another. In other words, we are "timely": mentally, morally and emotionnally qualified to learn. My Easter thoughts have to do with that love: I see everything and everyone in terms of Homeric poems and their characters... By the way, I don't come from a very ritualistic tradition either (Geneva protestant), but it's the stories: having heard them since earliest childhood and knowing them by heart because of the sheer repetition over the years - the two disciples who run to the tomb, and one is faster than the other, and Mary Magdalena is there... lamenting! And the Christian hero has sacrificed himself and now he becomes immortal and we ritually eat his body and blood in the form of bread and wine. (Sorry to Christian friends here and this obvious over-simplification. All I mean is that our readings are colouring everything in a new light, adding a level of interpretation). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T10:22:03Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique, Your "but never mind" made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that. I have been following your posts, and Hals, since the beginning in Briseis. Just want to say thank you ...... and I wish I hadn't been set adrift from Briseis. I too am seeing everything in my life in new lights since starting this course. We are so lucky! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1475987 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tomrivers SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T12:26:19Z SecondChildTAG: Beautifully and touchingly put, Dominique! For some reason, when my daughter was growing up I felt the need for her to understand her heritage, to have a place of connection, to have some place or home to go to, and so, for a time at least, we renewed some connections at a Friends (Quaker) Meeting nearby. Despite the no-ritual-meetings we still had a Christmas play (my daughter was shepherd of young and rambunctious sheep) and there was an Easter ritual involving the display of artifacts of thanks, beauty, or meaning placed by each person in the centre and at the end a distribution of Spring flowers. Perhaps the construction of ritual to frame *stories that embody deep meaning* (myths) is an irresistible human impulse as is the need to be participate in such stories. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T12:40:43Z SecondChildTAG: Hal, Priscilla, Dominique, and others, I am greatly enjoying reading this comments here. Participating in this "project" (as Nagy refers to it), is similarly impacting my thoughts and life as you all describe. I didn't know what to expect of the discussion forum, but I find that these threads are helping me to connect not only with other participants, but also with the material in a more meaningful way. I am a little sad to think that there is an end date some weeks ahead. Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T13:24:27Z SecondChildTAG: Hal, a short digression (again!): my first stage role was the donkey, at age 5-6, blowing my lungs out through the nostrils of a large papier-mâché donkey head in which mine was enclosed, refreshing a plastic baby in a manger for about 20 minutes. Very athletic, organic and unforgettable! I have to this day an emotional relationship to donkeys and, to a certain extent, the Christmas story, thanks to that special experience and pespective. By the way, I must recommend *"Le Boeuf et l'âne de la crèche"*, by Jules Supervielle, a heart-wrenching version in which, however, it is the bull who plays the beautiful and sad role... More seriously, yes everybody, the ability to translate existential feelings into stories seems to be THE distinctive mark of humanity. (Not language, not brains, not morals, which we share to a greater or lesser extent with other animals). (Quite a comforting thought that will be helpful during the next attack of self-doubt regarding the usefulness of my writing profession. Though of course, only *great and meaningful* storytelling is really useful... Ah well.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T16:23:02Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Tom and thanks. Welcome to our little cross-cohort conversations. Best, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T16:31:44Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Tom and Dominique, Concerning > $\ldots$ but never mind. It seems that some people (relatives often it seems) see us permanently as we once were but are no longer, while others, close friends (the kind that you don't see for ten years, but then when back in touch, make you instantly feel like no time has passed and that what you had is still there) can often see us as we are no matter how much time has passed. They seem to provide a kind of homecoming. Perhaps they intuitively see us not just as we are but also as already on the way to where we are going, and vice-versa. My very best friend from college days, Walter Long, is like that. You would like him, I think, Dominique; you and he are kindred spirits, as far as I can tell. Tied up here is some kind of deep connection between identity and emotional connection, which also seems to be a main theme in the Illiad: Hector and Andromache, Achilles and Patrokles, ... and their identity/love relationships to their family kleos. Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T22:09:52Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique (a digression for a digression), I love your evocation of your first performance. You must have been isolated in the donkey-head from whatever else was happening, but I totally see the complete dedication to putting your heart and lungs into it. It is fascinating how these experiences carry on and become part of larger life-stories. My favourite book (that my mom read to me) at about that age was *Brighty of the Grand Canyon*: ![brighty][1] about a burro (small donkey); I still have the book. Similarly, my sister loved horses and horse-riding, but the bad advice of her doctor led to her having to give it up. So after she became a successful lawyer, and not so many years ago, she bought and runs a stable (in Texas, 10-15 horses) and now her lawyering supports the fulfilment of her childhood dream and she rides in competitions. These kinds of experiences also lead, it seems to me, to the development of family traditions and stories and are probably behind the origins of the glories of the fathers that the Homeric heroes care so much about. For example, I thought Upstairs-Downstairs was boring when my parents watched it, but this last Christmas my mom, my daughter, and myself started watching *Downton Abbey*. Somehow the resonance of that earlier childhood experience (even though it seemed to involve rejection) left a mark, and I had this odd larger-than-life sense of generational continuity. All the best, Hal [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13650091771343685.png SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T17:35:34Z SecondChildTAG: I'll have to google Brighty... In my family, I would say the generational thread was books, not TV. One started in life by reading the entire home "adventure" library, in books that bore the mark of generations of previous readers, going back to our grand- or even great grand-parents. What I wish I had experienced: reading aloud in the family, as previous generations seem to have done. (I suppose that's what one does today with TV viewing in family, but it's hardly as rich an experience). The oral experience of Greek (and other) epos - what a sense of unity it must have given the entire audience. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T00:04:55Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, TV is a concession to my daughter to avoid losing touch, but it does represent a loss of culture in many ways; especially, the past, such as your generational books provided. It reminds me of that comment by the Iranian woman beginning "I worry about the West, ..., culture risks reduction to entertainment." (But my daughter is an avid reader and she loves to write, having some talent for it. From early days she showed a native ability to write stories, and I have always hoped that when everything else shakes out in her life she will return to this medium.) Written stories *are* richer (having more of almost everything that is important) than most other modern media. Which is why writers, such as yourself, who write beyond entertainment are quite vital to our survival. I imagine that it is much more difficult to write something to this standard than works of entertainment. Please, don't ever doubt the importance of what you are doing. H. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T03:32:19Z SecondChildTAG: Being read to is one of the joys of my life. My family read together even after the children were old enough to read. One particularly sharp memory is of my grandmother reading Treasure Island one hot stormy summer. Another memory is of my husband reading the Pickwick Papers to me all night when my daughter was born. He reads to me daily now. In the last 49 years we have read an amazing number of books including most of the ones for this course. I wish I had kept a list. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T05:16:37Z SecondChildTAG: I found that reading to my daughter was also a joy. I think I must have read the entire Laura Ingalls Wilder series to her 3 or 4 times. She loved certain chapters or passages so much that she had me read them to her over and over. It was like getting to escape the cares of the world in a mutual way that brought us, reader and listener together (in contrast, TV tends to isolate its viewers). Perhaps this is one aspect of the strength of a song culture. Priscilla, that is really touchingly beautiful that your husband reads to you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T05:34:52Z SecondChildTAG: How absolutely wonderful and admirable, Priscilla. (And Hal, it's fine when one is prolific, but when the Muses suddenly shut up, it's a short step to feeling like a parasite. Part of the challenge of writing is managing those dry periods.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T05:40:05Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks guys (: Love the course !!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1413498 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ginger_spice__ FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T18:35:46Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you! The course is thoroughly enjoyable so far but, having never done anything like this before, I am finding it a bit much to take in and doing lots of it twice! The extra time to find my feet will be most useful. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896278 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MrsY FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T20:52:05Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1251637 FirstChildUserNameTAG: eenakoko FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T16:47:41Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you very much for letting us know about the new timeline! And I also want to thank you for the detailed "list of contents" that you provide for each hour, it is very helpful to know how many videos we are going to watch in order to make sure that we have downloaded them all. Thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1403507 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MariaEmiliaCairo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T12:36:53Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you for your help... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T15:05:20Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you! I am so fascinated with this class, and I have been so excited to be able to participate. I really was, however, anxious that it would be a significant time problem to do the job right with the original course plan. So thank you and Professor Nagy for revising the schedule. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282451 FirstChildUserNameTAG: frenchman FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T18:37:20Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1367909 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Booksleuth FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T20:53:02Z FirstChildTAG: What a relief. It is hard to get the hang of things and I was feeling discouraged. THis is much better. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1412344 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ElizabethHammond FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T17:38:22Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much for providing this schedule. it will be of great help. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1298008 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Omaima022 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T06:24:21Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much! I love this course, but with two jobs and deadlines associated with them, I've fallen behind. I was afraid I would have to give up this class. I cannot tell you how much I love the format of teaching in this class. I want to soak it all in! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 901756 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LoriWilhoit FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T16:30:23Z FirstChildTAG: Muchas gracias, lamentablemente por estudios, no he podido entrar, pero ahora tengo mas tiempo y con el cambio que han hecho me es mas posible muchas gracias. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1411227 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HIRETO FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T15:38:08Z FirstChildTAG: How do we limit a post to our own cohort? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T16:48:08Z SecondChildTAG: If you make a top level post then it will say *Only visible to ....* Then this thread will only be visible to your cohort. Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T18:44:43Z FirstChildTAG: I'm also very happy with this new - slower - schedule, because I just read about this course in the end of march and therefore started 2 weeks late. But because of the new schedule I could catch up all the lessons by now. Thanks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1483916 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Phyby FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T20:28:19Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much for this schedule with an easier pace initially. This will help me with better understanding of the course material -- as I enjoy going over and over the verses and explanations and discussions many times. I was becoming a tad apprehensive of being able to accomplish the tasks given on time. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1239400 FirstChildUserNameTAG: palaash FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T20:28:51Z IndexTAG: 16 TitleTAG: Facebook Group for the course Hello friends, Here is the International Facebook Group for the course: http://www.facebook.com/groups/579037368779644/ Do come and join. Best, Praveen P.S: Do vote up this post. UserIdTAG: 168378 UserNameTAG: praveenkc CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:52:15Z VoteTAG:71 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 31 FirstChildTAG: no facebook, sorry FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1186376 FirstChildUserNameTAG: atrollonius FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:09:15Z SecondChildTAG: great idea to have a group on FB:) thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1017372 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ruzan SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T16:19:18Z SecondChildTAG: Hey me too ,but these classes are making me wonder if its necessary ,doesnt seem to be yet though SecondChildUserIdTAG: 20186 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vikashx1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T17:05:06Z FirstChildTAG: My Facebook page is under my pen name Shalanna Collins, so if you see a request coming from her, that's me. (grin) It's not the same as my email. And I can't recall whether I joined edx as Shalanna or as my mundane identity, Denise Weeks. So is the fate of one who has more than one persona! (Shalanna feels more real than the driver's license person, though--I've spent more time on the 'net and with fans of my fantasy novels than I have with mundanes, I suppose.) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1080715 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ShalannaCollins FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:36:22Z FirstChildTAG: Is this part of the official course? I do not communicate on Facebook. if this is officially a course facebook page then I will but not for any other. Smiles, June FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:35:15Z SecondChildTAG: No, I don't think it's a part of the course! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 919116 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LucieLe SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T05:51:10Z FirstChildTAG: **Facebook Group in Portuguese** https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:42:47Z SecondChildTAG: Great! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1143842 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RBarros SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T03:08:00Z FirstChildTAG: Excellent, I have joined the group :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 50592 FirstChildUserNameTAG: joeselliott FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:03:58Z FirstChildTAG: MOOC courses like this one have been enrolled by thousands of people. It will be interesting to see how Facebook can support the parallel discussions. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 FirstChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:59:49Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! My Facebook name is Lucie Lièvre. Please add me to the group! Really looking forward to the course with you guys! Thanks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 919116 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LucieLe FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T05:50:34Z FirstChildTAG: I dislike facebook. I don`t want to give all my adresses and knowledge in the hand of facebook. Read the Terms of Facebook. I`m the owner of all my things and i don_t want to give it to M. Zuckerberg. Darius FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1121624 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Darius- FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:20:07Z SecondChildTAG: There's a Google+ group also. Search edx cb22x in the communities if you are interested. You aren't required to join any group. It's just an option some of us like. Nadine SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T19:25:25Z SecondChildTAG: Darius, no problem at all! Any discussion on the social media sites is totally optional. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T13:58:46Z SecondChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:00:59Z FirstChildTAG: brilliant, but add me to the group! pls ))) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 145957 FirstChildUserNameTAG: igolybev FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T12:52:27Z FirstChildTAG: great idea to have a group on FB:) thanks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017372 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ruzan FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T16:44:45Z FirstChildTAG: this is soo cool can't wait to start FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1297711 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Prega FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T09:39:23Z FirstChildTAG: I applied, Morrigan Roth. Thanks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228228 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Scarletting FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T16:03:15Z FirstChildTAG: HI i'll go join now FirstChildUserIdTAG: 976291 FirstChildUserNameTAG: korede FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T11:16:49Z FirstChildTAG: would love to oblige- but not facebook and I do not want to join. I am sure that we can manage through the forum. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T10:35:33Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! My Facebook name is Fulgen Redondo. Please add me to the group! Thanks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914089 FirstChildUserNameTAG: frdomin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T20:17:46Z FirstChildTAG: On it! Thanks. <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:17:04Z FirstChildTAG: Facebook name is Bob Dunn. Request made to join group. Please add me. Thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 935479 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T18:58:23Z FirstChildTAG: I sent an email to the administrator & request to join, please add, same user name on FB page thanks FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1346784 FirstChildUserNameTAG: delphiniasalamin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T17:20:37Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I am Niva Bhandari on Facebook. Please add me there. Thanks. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1088370 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Niva81 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T13:52:30Z FirstChildTAG: My username is Time Lord, so please allow me in. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1334579 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jonatha FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T01:14:32Z FirstChildTAG: Little pigs, little pigs let me in... Just sent a request as William Nolen, here I'm Will72. Trust me ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280572 FirstChildUserNameTAG: will72 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T23:08:48Z FirstChildTAG: no Facebook for me. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1197872 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenaA01 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T00:18:15Z FirstChildTAG: Add me in- Dana Levcikova, thank yoou :))) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1329509 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nithynka FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T00:03:28Z FirstChildTAG: Rachel Ng from Hong Kong. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1032146 FirstChildUserNameTAG: duderach FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T03:36:27Z FirstChildTAG: That is great! Just send a request using my full name: Evelina Giannarakou PS I know it is long as the aplhabet, sorry I am Greek... :P FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1252012 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EvelynG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T20:40:19Z FirstChildTAG: I'd like to join in! My facebook name is Megaloec.Thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281055 FirstChildUserNameTAG: megaloec FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T19:57:03Z FirstChildTAG: I joined as well! "Zach McVicker" is my name FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1375080 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PiggyWithaZ FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:50:29Z FirstChildTAG: Praveen, please add me to the group on facebook. Here I am: https://www.facebook.com/NewportSue Thanks for doing this! Can't wait to learn with/from you. Sue FirstChildUserIdTAG: 956014 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NewportSue FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T15:47:01Z FirstChildTAG: Request made to join the group, please add me. FB name is Abby Y. Tang. Many thanx! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1408461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dinosaurt FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T05:48:55Z FirstChildTAG: my facebook page is under the name *Thebluefaerie Herbal Gifts* I just sent a request. Thanks, Suzie :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1304515 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SuzieReid FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T17:05:08Z FirstChildTAG: Unfortunately, we're unable to log into Facebook, Twitter, Youtube，even Google+...so how to join group discussion for most of Chinese students is really a big problem. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1518940 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Qubumo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T23:27:37Z IndexTAG: 17 TitleTAG: Note about Hour 0, "Readings and Dialogues" Video at 2:47--"essay style" Here's a clarification from Professor Nagy about what he means by "essay style". Best, Claudia > By "essay style" I mean a way of speaking where you are making an argument. The argument can be as short as one sentence. When you speak in essay style, you are not retelling the story: rather, you are making an argument." UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T04:02:41Z VoteTAG:59 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 17 FirstChildTAG: Hi all from the sunny Khalkidiki... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T08:23:23Z SecondChildTAG: same place,same cohort? :) where are you? I m from Marmaras... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1294591 SecondChildUserNameTAG: liakara SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T08:44:39Z SecondChildTAG: Khalkidiki!! I love it!! :D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 966098 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vickicki SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T15:31:42Z SecondChildTAG: I am visiting Brooklyn, where I was born; but I live in Houston, Texas. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1186012 SecondChildUserNameTAG: janicegreco SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T22:55:37Z SecondChildTAG: Μουδανιά liakara SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 SecondChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T16:07:50Z SecondChildTAG: :) loucho87,Moudania is where i work...send me an email liakara@yahoo.gr! Hi janicegreco...welcome to our cohort... :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1294591 SecondChildUserNameTAG: liakara SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T20:10:19Z SecondChildTAG: I was in Kallithea last August. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 392391 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EZ SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T23:36:53Z SecondChildTAG: Loycho87 I think we live at the same place...:P SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1321521 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Marakik SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T09:40:25Z SecondChildTAG: hi!!!! Im from Morrocco SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1114168 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mohaimo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T04:03:58Z SecondChildTAG: Selden, New York, U.S.A. (Selden is a hamlet on Long Island). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1215721 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CatherineKimberleigh SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T16:04:41Z SecondChildTAG: Hello. I'm from Mumbai, India. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1386070 SecondChildUserNameTAG: uttamsirur SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T14:15:00Z SecondChildTAG: My goodness! I'm in L.A. but used to teach at Anatolia College in Thessaloniki! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1500993 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tomps SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T17:08:36Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Claudia again for your help! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893048 FirstChildUserNameTAG: porfyrus FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T04:44:02Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks Claudia. Montaigne - les Essaies (texts written to test [Fr. essayer] the truth of an hypothesis). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T07:13:22Z SecondChildTAG: Essay used as a verb still has the meaning 'to try or test [an idea]' which the noun has largely lost in normal use. Unfortunately, the use of the word 'essay' to describe virtually any piece of extended non-fiction writing in school or college has lost the sense that an essay should be the exposition and defence of an hypothesis. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T08:51:20Z SecondChildTAG: I deliberately used the word 'hypothesis' instead of 'argument' as the latter word had also drifted in meaning from debate or discussion to one of dispute or conflict. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T08:55:47Z SecondChildTAG: So I guess not many of us are reading good old Quintilian (a personal hero of mine, and source of many ideas for my classroom) any more, then? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T12:03:47Z SecondChildTAG: Mention of Quintilian immediately suggests another term sadly drifting from it's original meaning; rhetoric. Originally intended to describe the structured presentation of arguments, it is now hardly used other than in a derogatory sense *'the politician's statements are mere rhetoric'*. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T12:35:07Z SecondChildTAG: Oh to have the time to study the Iliad just looking for all the rhetorical devices .... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T14:41:59Z SecondChildTAG: PaulJM-my thought exactly. Modern cultural bias has gently "migrated" the original connotation of many words (ie: rhetoric) over time...a multi-generational example of the "telephone game". It is challenging to learn a new "language" while also learning course content. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1024623 SecondChildUserNameTAG: emsdad SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T15:59:21Z SecondChildTAG: quintilian sure but apropos demosthenes as well greekly? :) viewed one way we have all the time in the world to do anything. just as we can't read all the books ever, we can't delve into all the passages ever, but I take slow reading in my teaching to mean encountering whatever DOES cross our path. one rhetorical device fully met is "as good" as taking in 50 less fully? partly on the principle that words have broken up into meanings through time(barfield's poetic diction again) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T21:19:37Z SecondChildTAG: I think we highlight a couple of things here in the subtext of this string. (A) What was meant to be conveyed; and (B) What was received. Some, it may seem, feel that the evolution of a word as it roams the vernacular experience through time degrades the tools for deciphering the message? Perhaps it merely enhances the experience of unwrapping the layers. Accessibility obscured may heighten the senses if allowed. I prefer to think of the changes as gifts and not rules of written languages broken. I think these texts, having rested on unwritten story telling/singing, hold secrets we may not find if we apply too tightly the 'rules'. I imagine that we have to feel our way to some degree; being only guided by written references. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 504031 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lindy7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T16:29:37Z SecondChildTAG: PaulJM and emsdad: why the sense of regret that language evolves and "migrates"? Like Lindy7, I think that (as we study and delve into a text through close reading) these differing meanings and connotations reinforce our sense that we have to step outside of an initial, superficial reading of a text and consciously consider the biases (language and otherwise) that stand between ourselves and a full appreciation of the original author's message. Open up the OED and pick almost any work in common English usage today, and it alters forever your understanding of the texture and depth of that word's meaning. In a way, a minor evolution of language is "dangerous" in the sense that without a vigilant interrogation of a text's language it may be overlooked, but how could any language be static unless it's dead? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1005116 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MBMaddux SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T20:38:53Z SecondChildTAG: My concern is twofold. Firstly that drift of meaning can lead to confusion - that is straightforward enough. Unless the participants share a common understanding of the communication medium then clarity is likely to be impaired. Secondly, that the tendency seems to be towards simplification with the language becoming less nuanced and useful, if subtle, distinctions disappearing. In part, I think, this is due to the globalisation of language and the resultant move towards the common middle ground. English is flexible enough to work around changes, which is why I noted my use of hypothesis in preference to argument in my earlier post, but there remain transitional discrepancies - the uncertainty in interpreting the phrase 'essay-style' launched this part of the discussion. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T02:00:21Z SecondChildTAG: Confusion,is the first indication that there is knowledge to be gained... Vjim, Kingston, NY SecondChildUserIdTAG: 938644 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vjim SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T19:30:25Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Claudia for the definition... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T08:21:58Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Claudia that is nice to know FirstChildUserIdTAG: 894820 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sioux FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T08:59:26Z FirstChildTAG: Yes, thank you claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1121496 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VirginiaAndow FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T11:10:04Z FirstChildTAG: Hello eveybody, I'm Simone from Rio de Janeiro! Thanks Claudia for the help. it's very interesting study about Greek heroes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1419064 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sicas13 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T13:34:25Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Sicas! Iam froma Greece! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T23:37:02Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Claudia, am I correct in thinking a "response" can be in the form of an argument, hypothesis or essay? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1109536 FirstChildUserNameTAG: chaykatoo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T16:25:58Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Claudia for clarifying it a little more, a very important fact to understand better. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 967254 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sanchez04 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T22:14:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, everybody, I am Evangelia from Tirnavos Greece!!! Thank you Claudia for the explanatiions and help, this is a wonderful homeric journey, Pf Nagy and his team prepare and offer for all of us. for the whole world!!! Many many thanks!!! Greetings FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T11:52:46Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to all from the UK FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1121496 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VirginiaAndow FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T11:11:44Z SecondChildTAG: Greedings Βιργινία !!! Iam from Greece! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T23:36:34Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Virginia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 891317 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Annettehendley SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T09:25:30Z SecondChildTAG: Hi! Another greek here . I' m Pashalia from Thessaloniki SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1282750 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pashakoufidou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T20:39:06Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Virginia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 914632 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Taska SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T03:04:54Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks for the clarifications. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1221124 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rafailz FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T15:36:21Z FirstChildTAG: I appreciate your good efforts, & thank you very very much for the explanation Claudia!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1087507 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nodee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T19:14:27Z FirstChildTAG: I have had the experience of making a positive, argumentative statement and effectively shutting others up. I don't know how to argue a point without doing this. In my work environment serious argumentation was the rule. I'm not sure that it will be here. I have also had the experience that women's ideas are ignored and then reintroduced into the conversation and discussed as if new. This has probably made me even more strident than I would otherwise be. Communication in a group as diverse as this is difficult. Should we sprinkle "I think" and "perhaps" around our comments? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T18:04:59Z SecondChildTAG: you could try beginning points with 'I may be wrong...' or 'Have you considered...' or 'You make a good point but...' SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1181964 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dooodah SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T21:10:25Z SecondChildTAG: go for it. I, for instance, have no idea what you mean by "women's ideas"(are there such things unless you stretch this to mean patriarchal???)but would appreciate a boldly stated argument to that effect. stridency perhaps could be replaced with energia/enargia? unless that replacement is what you mean by reintroduced in other words. To me, "i think" and "perhaps" are redundancies. I assume we're all diverse-savvy and relish a good rhetorical fight? Agamemmnon and Achillles come to mind? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T21:27:21Z SecondChildTAG: I only meant ideas expressed by a woman in a discussion, totally independent of topic. I admit that younger women are not sensitized so much on this issue. My daughter expects to be listened to. I expect to have to insist on having my say. Thank you both. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T21:39:20Z SecondChildTAG: I think something along the lines of 'I think... [interpretation/hypothesis]... because...[argument/evidence]' to introduce a point. When responding to another's view it is perhaps diplomatic to avoid directly opposing with the opening statement but rather to acknowledge any merits to the analysis then contrast your idea with supporting evidence. This approach to discussion has worked well enough for me in business, engineering and teaching (my various careers) where some meetings seemed hardly smaller than our groups here (although far less willing to listen!). Online discussions have the disadvantage of missing many subtleties of communication which, when combined with the tendency to answer too quickly, can lead to small misunderstandings quickly escalating into bitter conflict. I think, on the whole, that taking time to understand what is being posted and to make a considered response is more effective than rushing to be the first respondent. As it says in the course description somewhere, it is the quality of contributions that is important, not the quantity. A final consideration is the international base from which we students are drawn (or, rather, two considerations which arise from this fact). Firstly, it must be remembered that, although we are all working here in English, for many of the participants this will not be their first language and, even for the most accomplished linguists that still makes a difference. The second aspect is that of cultural differences. It is easy to assume that everyone to whom you speak (or rather, with whom you communicate) shares the same cultural position. Unfortunately, an easy but dangerously false assumption. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T21:45:20Z SecondChildTAG: well, I noticed that I usually use "in my opinion" or "my point of view is" when I am saying what I think about the topic of discussion. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1336310 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nina_nina SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T21:49:36Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you all. I really want to put my ideas out there and have them discussed vigorously. I think one concern is how few people are posting. Even before they divided the cohorts there were at most a few hundred people involved out of thousands. I don't want to discourage anyone. This discussion has given me things to think about and good suggestions. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T22:49:45Z SecondChildTAG: Priscilla, very good question and also good responses. Perhaps the essay questions for staff to read (assessments?) are different than posted remarks. I am anticipating making a definitive statement and defense in the essay, and being less, shall we say, dogmatic in my posts. Cheers! Hampgal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T23:10:13Z SecondChildTAG: Good point. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T23:13:55Z SecondChildTAG: I like this discussion, and plan to put it to use. Thank you, discussers! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 996542 SecondChildUserNameTAG: WestonBecker SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T00:29:42Z SecondChildTAG: all good advice paul. no time like the present priscilla to send out your ideas. right hampgal "comments" remarks etc. are distinct from a formulated essay. vigorous discussion awaits! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T03:30:08Z SecondChildTAG: Don't be bashful to be blunt to make your point. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374891 SecondChildUserNameTAG: alohapaulette SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T04:07:21Z SecondChildTAG: Well, as Hesiod says, there are two kinds of Eris (strife). I consider a good argument to inspire the second kind of Eris, the "good Eris," the one that causes one person to want to emulate the other by doing their own work. While sometimes a good argument makes me want to sit back and "read slowly" (as Nagy describes in the video), other times it inspires me to work harder to formulate my own thoughts. As for appropriating the thoughts of others, the nature of posting forums make it easy to forget who said what, for sure; however, it's often useful to dig backwards to discover who said what, which reveals why and how they might have gotten there. This could be considered another form of "slow reading" perhaps. In any case, we shall all have to work work upon work. As Thetis says in scroll one, "don't hide your thoughts in your mind (nous) but speak out, so that we may both know." SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1417955 SecondChildUserNameTAG: melissaofthebees SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T01:17:08Z SecondChildTAG: love your post melissa. "Strife" is a key for me as a reader. When is Thetis wrong and thoughts SHOULD be hid, if ever, in your opinion? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T04:06:47Z SecondChildTAG: You all sound very grounded in Greek literature. Rather intimidating for a newcomer to read all your off-hand references, yet stimulating as well! Be as blunt as you like; I for one appreciate straightforward remarks and will try to reciprocate. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T18:04:01Z SecondChildTAG: I would read the thread of argument to learn the premises and examine the logic. But cultural motivations, attitudes, etc. are something I would most likely leave at the margins of the paper containing the argument's words. Or, in the technical jargon of the internet, in the metadata of the binary code. Reliance upon modern cultural considerations is a form of reading the text through the lense of the present. It is reading into the text instead of reading out of the text. If an argument can be made then the premises must exist in the text, not in the culture of the argument's writer. As for the tool of logic that is as neutral as mathematics. In other words the argument should be composed solely of premises, evidence and logic. However, I would not automatically discount the instruction found in listening to the other attitudes, assumptions and biases as a means of learning about other people. Those are the attributes that can lead to personal, albeit, digitized and distant, understanding. But that information serves a purpose other than arguing a premise. To me one of the pleasures of listening to folks from nations where English is a foreign language, is that their assumptions, biases, etc. are like accents of thought, and the language, English in this case, permits the comprehension of the different accents. But then that is one of the objectives isn't it, to listen to each other? But for the essays themselves, I think that if anything, our cultural biases may wind up getting in the way. Therefore, to the extent anyone can, arguments should be based on what is in the text and what logical conclusions can be drawn from that evidence. One aside that I believe however is that there are near universal qualities that should not be discounted. An example is what I discovered in reading The Odyssey in the Coursera course about Greek and Roman Mythology. The imagery of people as food frequently appears in the Odyssey. I concluded that this may represent a belief among Hellenes that cannibalism was rife. Therefore the Odyssey includes a component that instructs that eating people is bad. The evidence that eating people is bad is in the Odyssey. But to me it is also a universal constant in human societies (albeit with the possibility of rare exception). But if cannibalism was not a universal constant then the presence of this imagery might not have jumped out at me with as much force. Further this gave me a sense of Hellenes seeing the outsider, even if the outsider were Hellenes from other city-states, as being so different that it was possible to conceive that these outsiders might be cannibals. That however leads to a whole other discussion. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 997140 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Davelen SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T18:16:43Z SecondChildTAG: Hi everyone! I am in the same boat as SunnyBonanza; new to this but I love language and am very excited. Please be open and discuss everything and once I have read the text and considered I will join in. Like Priscilla, I have experienced males taking women's ideas for their own. But only in face to face situations. One thing I like about internet is that gender is hidden and it is all about ideas. Smiles June. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T12:17:42Z SecondChildTAG: From this course you can learn to blame the gods, now, instead... Love Vjim SecondChildUserIdTAG: 938644 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vjim SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T19:34:43Z FirstChildTAG: Hello eveybody, I'm Rubayyat from Dhaka. I really like to study about Greek heroes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1050070 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rubayyat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T00:40:26Z FirstChildTAG: I can not locate the 18 March 2013 Assessment. The lat post on the Course Info site is 17 March 2013, some explanations. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1165296 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ibdonnie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T02:47:34Z FirstChildTAG: Just wondering. Finished everything in Hour 0 & I, but there was a question at the end about a discussion after the close reading exercise. Is this where it happens? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 916354 FirstChildUserNameTAG: wcoventry FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T17:08:20Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, discussions are on this discussion board. There are already some threads going - try searching for the words "fate" and "heroes" (search is the magnifying glass icon at the top-right hand side of the panel at the left). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1402832 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sscott840 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T10:10:34Z IndexTAG: 18 TitleTAG: [STAFF] Video and Assessment Exercises for Hour 2 Coming on Monday, March 25 The video and the accompanying exercises for Hour 2 will be posted to the Courseware tab on Monday, March 25. We hope you will use this extra time productively to review Hour 1 and do the reading for Hour 2, so that you will be ready to respond when the videos come online. UserIdTAG: 1241825 UserNameTAG: Lenny_Muellner CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T03:34:24Z VoteTAG:48 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 19 FirstChildTAG: Thank goodness for that, still got to read scroll IX and properly read the accompanying h24h section, weekend should just about do it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 600994 FirstChildUserNameTAG: patriciab FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T19:53:08Z SecondChildTAG: I'm having a whole lot of trouble keeping the readings and where they are available straight with Professor Nagy's commentary. I can't seem to get a flow going or readily find something I know I read, but I can't remember where I found it. Any advice you have of how to rectify this would be welcome. Thank you for all the effort of so many to put this together. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1414412 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Artemis2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T20:50:15Z SecondChildTAG: I found that old fashioned hard copy(printed out version) of syllabus , makes easier following of where I should be. Still,as I'm taking the course primarily via ipad , I still find myself opening every tab so often, feeling like I've missed something? Presently ,I feel I've read, watched video presented, and at least exposed myself to hour zero,one and reading of hour two(one time). Hour two will need a re read for sure. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 914386 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hudsonswimmer SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T02:14:02Z SecondChildTAG: I make notes on certain scripts and put where they come from, e.g. Hour 1 326 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1296068 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DebBrown1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T08:19:47Z SecondChildTAG: Hi there! The only receipt I can share with you is reading the texts over and over again, including the Professor's comments. I feel much more confident by reading through the texts several times and I strongly recommend that approach. All the best! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sunbrella SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T20:12:30Z SecondChildTAG: I too found I needed to go back. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 455546 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dfoulksblack1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T20:53:11Z SecondChildTAG: I had the same problem with you Artemis. I keep notes and it helps me a lot. I also think that Hour 2 seems easier than Hour 1, I mean more comprehensible. I had to re-read Hour 1 many times to grasp the meaning. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1279167 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hadzigiannoglou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T15:09:43Z SecondChildTAG: I have printed out the material to save siting at the computer. For only 2 lessons, I have over 100 pages of hard copy. I just realized that the much material makes this course similar to my BA courses years ago.I really like the material but am not sure I can keep up OR afford the paper and printing costs. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 920384 SecondChildUserNameTAG: justmary SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T16:59:41Z SecondChildTAG: Same here. I printed the Introductions and H1 and H2, and made notes on the rest. Much easier on the eyes and the purse. I have had to read my own copy of the Iliad at times because of eye strain at my age. I see I need more black ink! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T20:02:05Z SecondChildTAG: Ditto, Hudsonswimmer-Athene! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T00:21:14Z SecondChildTAG: Ah Athene--name of a goddess; eyes of a mortal. My eyes get tired too, reading from a computer screen. They’re so tired, I can neither read into our out of the text. (joking). Seriously though, hasn’t the *Iliad* experience transformed ? Once the medium was a rhapsadoi singing the poem in a public place; now it’s a computer screen delivering it silently in a private place. I wonder how that changes the way the message is received. And what would an ancient Greek get out of it? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1128876 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Myrmidon SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T03:47:50Z SecondChildTAG: I also printed the reading materials. That way it is friendlier to the eyes. Am having hard time with the videos though. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1186363 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SharaRose SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T08:55:18Z SecondChildTAG: As a little comment with my sincere thanks to Myrmidon, i would like to pinpoint that ancient Hellenic Hero's have inspired whole generations of peoples of the Western world ,especially since since the mainly Hellenic Byzantine empire saved all the scripts from antiquity until the fall of Constantinople to the Turks. Than they were transported by the flying clergy and intellectuals like so much else to the west f.ex. to Venice that is how Αναγέννηση/Renaissance started.And why we still have the texts. But as so many people were inspired during all the this time up to today from mainly the books, now thanks to e-studies we are able to study from distance we will be more in numbers and in understanding ! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T13:03:38Z SecondChildTAG: Another point Myrmidon. An ancient Hellene would be proud and very understanding with us today, we are not so different from them believe me. We Hellenes trough modern history we saw up to our ancestors and tried to live up to the Hero ideals ! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T13:08:21Z SecondChildTAG: Ah me , the computer ignorant! I've tried to print the texts and I failed. Could anybody help me by giving me some instructions? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270646 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NellyFili SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T20:58:47Z SecondChildTAG: Take and highlight the text you wish to save. Hit control c than go to your word program and hit control p and than print out the result. Also save the word program. one cannot have to many copies. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 263446 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Riverdaughter SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T04:41:21Z FirstChildTAG: Ah me! Ah me! What new is expecting me!!:):):) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1331092 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stiliani FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T05:22:38Z SecondChildTAG: Exactly like Antigoni. Oimoi, i talaina! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1356173 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Tchristi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T19:35:41Z SecondChildTAG: Stylliani, are you στυλλιανή; SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T12:06:06Z SecondChildTAG: Στυλιανή. Κι εσύ Ευθυμία' υποθέτω. Πώς σου φαίνεται το course? Αρκετό διάβασμα. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331092 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stiliani SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T14:51:03Z SecondChildTAG: Γιά σας , Ηρωίδες! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T13:04:25Z SecondChildTAG: Καλησπέρα παιδιά! Hello everyboby! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401191 SecondChildUserNameTAG: giotasalma SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T21:57:47Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Lenny Muellner and all! Thanks also for the bibliography and glossary! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T06:03:00Z SecondChildTAG: What bibliography and glossary? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T09:00:16Z SecondChildTAG: Athene: You'll find them if you click on H24H on top of this page. They were added later than the rest of the material (ref. the tread: FROM STAFF The core Vocabulary, a glossary of transliterated terms. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1423155 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Elsebeth SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T09:52:28Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you so much Elsbeth for the information .I was so worried I could not find any bibliography . You saved me SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270646 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NellyFili SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T11:19:41Z SecondChildTAG: I have tried the suggestion nothing new comes up on H24 on my Ipad, can staff please help? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1109536 SecondChildUserNameTAG: chaykatoo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T15:22:48Z SecondChildTAG: If you click on H24 you will find core Vocabulary and Biblio at the bottom .I hope I've been helpful to you chaykatoo. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270646 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NellyFili SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T23:10:44Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Elsbeth and NellyFili. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T13:27:59Z SecondChildTAG: Argh! Thank you for pointing this out! I had started to try to make my own little glossary of terms. This is so much better. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1041087 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Turrean SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T11:47:52Z SecondChildTAG: Yay, thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1174153 SecondChildUserNameTAG: TreeKnowlton SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T17:09:34Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T20:10:15Z SecondChildTAG: If the Goddess Athena has to ask a question: I'm in trouble ! ;-) Vjim SecondChildUserIdTAG: 938644 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vjim SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T23:00:06Z FirstChildTAG: Initially the team had announced that "Beginning on Monday, March 18, two Hours of the course will be released per week (one on Monday, and one on Thursday). We strongly recommend completing the reading assignments for each Hour before watching the videos." So I have to admit that I was waiting for the release of Hour2 today, Thursday. Can you please clarify how it will be from now on? Is it two Hours per week or one? btw I am not rushing in any way, I just want to know the flow of things, thanks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1369191 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SophiaCoro FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T06:42:16Z SecondChildTAG: :) to be honest, I am happy that the Lesson 2 is postponed. That gives me a weekend to read through the Lesson 1. I found much more interesting reading the texts I have read already as each new reading brings a new puzzle of the overall picture. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sunbrella SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T20:16:02Z FirstChildTAG: Dear staff can I kindly ask whether the upload can take place during the w/e rather than on Monday? Some of us work thus time is limited, whereas if we have had the privilege to review & elaborate one-two days extra that would be more efficient in our study. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1047701 FirstChildUserNameTAG: afroditikatsougri FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T11:06:54Z SecondChildTAG: Couldn't agree most... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1347420 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IOANNA77 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T06:56:18Z FirstChildTAG: thank you for the extra time, we definitely need it! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T11:32:46Z FirstChildTAG: :( All right... :Sits down watching the door: FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1319115 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Meraxes FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T15:31:25Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks to yourself and Prof. Nagy ,we need this extra time. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 999455 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T15:34:59Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you, i like so much this course. :D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1077441 FirstChildUserNameTAG: opineda FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T16:05:14Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks for the announcement. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1328934 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bokgil FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T04:05:37Z SecondChildTAG: Many thanks! and also to yourself and Prof. Nagy for this brilliant opportunity to study with you. It is very much appreciated. If only the rest of the world were so enthralling and positive . . . Smiles, June (ozdigg) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T13:47:18Z SecondChildTAG: Alright SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1391459 SecondChildUserNameTAG: margiegg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T15:03:31Z SecondChildTAG: Where do I find the reading for hour two, I have finished hour one and there is nothing nelow hour one on the left hand side. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1109536 SecondChildUserNameTAG: chaykatoo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T15:30:43Z SecondChildTAG: Adding my thanks too! Having a wonderful time rediscovering the *Iliad* with the guidance of such a first rate scholar and teaching team--what a privilege. Even dusting off (literally) my old LSJ. Great fun! Have already learned heaps and we're only in hour 1! Thank you, all. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222438 SecondChildUserNameTAG: TheresaF SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T15:47:17Z SecondChildTAG: thank you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T16:28:22Z FirstChildTAG: Staff Team, I am not seeing anything for Hour2 not even courseware!! is it because I have not yet completed Hour1? Or I am missing something. Let me know. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1379600 FirstChildUserNameTAG: logicsg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T11:54:37Z SecondChildTAG: You can see in syllsbus what to read in hour 2, texts are avaiable in menue right side under h24h and sourcebook. So you can read all at one, if xou want. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1402710 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DirkW SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T14:52:44Z SecondChildTAG: I don't think we will see anything for Hour 2 under the Courseware tab until Monday. But there is an Hour 2 section in the H24H textbook and the fast reading assignment in the Sourcebook to complete in the meantime. Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T21:07:42Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Jennifer and Dirk. I did got that but was looking for something under "courseware" tab. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1379600 SecondChildUserNameTAG: logicsg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T10:52:37Z FirstChildTAG: Dr. Muellner, thank you for all you have done and continue doing to insure the journey will to new awareness for all of us. I am glad you made the post and let us know what is happening. Good to see you again. Bobby FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T03:00:23Z SecondChildTAG: I have a question about the tests: I answered one question in the annotation exercise and in the answer it showed that I was wrong. However my answer got a green tick. Please illuminate Thank you for all your hard work SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1265668 SecondChildUserNameTAG: euterpi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T08:29:08Z SecondChildTAG: Was it half a green tick? apparently there is partial credit. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T18:20:06Z SecondChildTAG: yes, indeed! it was a bit pale. so there are red crosses (totally wrong), partial green (better) and green (the correct one). I didnt know these grades. Thank you for mentioning the 'partial grade' mark SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1265668 SecondChildUserNameTAG: euterpi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T18:31:53Z FirstChildTAG: Oh no! Will be on retreat for the Holy Week. When are the exercises for Hour 2 due? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1098885 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tetrivera FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T16:12:06Z SecondChildTAG: All exercises are due 'before 26 June' - there are no other deadlines. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T22:00:55Z FirstChildTAG: thank you so much for the extra time, I needed that FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1365903 FirstChildUserNameTAG: lisawiggs FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T20:15:40Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks Lenny,we have extra time to review the Hour 1 and understand it better. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 967254 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sanchez04 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T19:47:51Z FirstChildTAG: Hey, this is what I just experienced: the actual exercise of responding both -question set and close reading exercise- has provided me with an insight into the video dialogues that I would not otherwise have achieved! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1454446 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SandraRealpe FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T18:35:33Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, me too. What a great learning experience a quiz can be when constructed as these are. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1207496 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Arleneor SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T21:40:39Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for sharing!! Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T00:24:39Z FirstChildTAG: nice :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1290838 FirstChildUserNameTAG: margaritagonio FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T21:25:36Z FirstChildTAG: Am I correct in believing that if one errs once on the close reading exercise that one is given the "right" answer but if one errs more than once (out of 4 questions) that one can only receive one submission out of one for all 4 answers thus left to puzzle out what was being looked for? I find this puzzling. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 920384 FirstChildUserNameTAG: justmary FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T23:07:13Z FirstChildTAG: Could ?someone please tell me how I can become aware to which of the named discussion groups I belong? And how I am to get to the video-materials when they don't appear on my screen? Barkis is certainly willing, but he is still seeking Peggoty! David Copperfield could only be as puzzled as I am. wh FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 FirstChildUserNameTAG: whaskett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T15:08:02Z IndexTAG: 19 TitleTAG: Warm-up for course start (Ancient Greek History) For anyone who can't wait for the course to start I can recommend Donald Kagans excellent intro to Ancient Greek History (Yale Online Courses). There are 24 lectures that one can view. It will provide an excellent background for this course, Donald Kagan is also a really good lecturer. http://oyc.yale.edu/classics/clcv-205 UserIdTAG: 1103463 UserNameTAG: SentientPastrami CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:11:25Z VoteTAG:47 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 18 FirstChildTAG: Thanks for the link. I'm excited to check it out! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T19:13:22Z FirstChildTAG: thanks, pastrami :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277754 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ditza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:52:14Z FirstChildTAG: what a brilliant link! thanks, pastrami :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1103742 FirstChildUserNameTAG: hellotansy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:30:07Z SecondChildTAG: Grateful for this link.Thanks SecondChildUserIdTAG: 914632 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Taska SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:37:35Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for the heads up - will definitely investigate this. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 904141 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Antoniamv SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:02:47Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for the info. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952368 SecondChildUserNameTAG: olivet07 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:25:29Z SecondChildTAG: Kagan's course on Ancient Greek History has wonderful lectures by a truly gifted thinker. The first lecture is a tour de force not to be missed. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 737605 SecondChildUserNameTAG: aholohean SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T03:39:45Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you. I knew taking Professor's Nagy's classes would take me to a whole new world of knowledge and therefore of very interesting people. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1117317 SecondChildUserNameTAG: katiwal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T11:40:55Z SecondChildTAG: **thanks for the link** SecondChildUserIdTAG: 956149 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kcabel11 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T15:19:48Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for the link. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1338759 SecondChildUserNameTAG: djbmom3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T22:05:47Z FirstChildTAG: I second this. I listened followed Dr. Kagan's course and it is in part what got me interested in this course as well. One caveat would be that Dr. Kagan's course is mainly concerned with the classical era and at least part of what we will cover in this course -I can't imagine the Odyssey not being in here- dates back to a much earlier time period. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 386029 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gkoleoglu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:30:42Z SecondChildTAG: you're right about that, he does give some grounding in the Mycenaean and Homeric literature. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1384287 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zigalad SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T03:43:55Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you :) A warm hug from Peru :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 698650 FirstChildUserNameTAG: melaniezpdl08 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:36:00Z FirstChildTAG: that is very helpfull link. thanks for sharing FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1065618 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Merter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:40:25Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you, I shall try it out. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 257370 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tpleighton FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:04:31Z FirstChildTAG: Dr. Kagan's course was excellent. Warming up with that is a great idea. Thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1071568 FirstChildUserNameTAG: billcamarda FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:05:30Z FirstChildTAG: this is amazing... I just began listening the same lectures a few days ago. I listen to them while I clean and run. gives me lots of time to absorb them. thanks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 925287 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zimia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:11:49Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you. I already see a few other courses Id like to watch. Dante in Translation here I come! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1185569 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GBliss FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:10:26Z FirstChildTAG: thank you! i will definitely see it FirstChildUserIdTAG: 973288 FirstChildUserNameTAG: hembrammanab FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:54:26Z FirstChildTAG: Taking it its great FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1157806 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dgminer FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T23:40:22Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you for being so thoughtful. I'll check this out. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1087507 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nodee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T04:13:24Z FirstChildTAG: thank you! very interesting! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1194180 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gianna_z FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T21:29:52Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks a lot Pastrami...I've shared with the group from Brazil. Hugs ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1261705 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SandraLambais FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T21:44:01Z FirstChildTAG: I very much enjoyed that ItunesU course by Prof. Kagan too. I found another ItunesU course that might be of interest: It's a course about the [history of architecture][1] by Prof. Jacqueline Gargus, Knowlton School of Architecture, Ohio State University. Lessons 4, 5 and 6 are about ancient Minoan, Mycenean and Greek architecture and art. It's nice to try and visualize the material world our heroes may have lived in through the artifacts presented. [1]: https://itunes.apple.com/us/course/history-of-architecture-i/id570008367 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 171100 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Oliver_Schafeld FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T08:21:02Z FirstChildTAG: Isn't a Yale course - SubVercive ? Love Vjim FirstChildUserIdTAG: 938644 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vjim FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T19:50:05Z FirstChildTAG: Khan Academy has a number of [videos on ancient Greek art](https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/art-history/art-history-400-c-e--ancient-cultures-1), too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 171100 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Oliver_Schafeld FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T17:51:26Z IndexTAG: 20 TitleTAG: [FROM STAFF] The Core Vocabulary, a glossary of transliterated terms Dear participants, In the next day or two we will post the Core Vocabulary, a glossary of terms which are transliterated from the ancient Greek into English and which are tracked in the Sourcebook. This is a very important tool both for our current learning project and for your future reading. It is not a tool for memorizing vocabulary. Rather, it is meant to help us figure out how these key terms work in their poetic contexts. Furthermore, as we begin to explore the way these Core Vocabulary terms relate to each other, we will begin to understand the use of ancient Greek diction as an exquisite, perfected system of communication. We will post an announcement on the [Course Info Page][1] when it goes up. Stay tuned! Best, Claudia [edit: and here's the link [https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/htmlbook/0/\]][2] Best, Claudia [1]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/info [2]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/htmlbook/0/%5D UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T11:51:43Z VoteTAG:45 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 19 FirstChildTAG: very helpful indeed! Thaks Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1087507 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nodee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:08:07Z SecondChildTAG: Merci thank's شكرا SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1114168 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mohaimo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T04:05:10Z SecondChildTAG: Brilliant! Thank you all, smiles June SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T08:11:15Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you! I was starting to create my own little list but this is very helpful! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 894297 FirstChildUserNameTAG: FIONA99 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T13:31:28Z SecondChildTAG: Yes! And will be easier to read than my handwriting! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1023668 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lindaaddis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T14:34:39Z SecondChildTAG: Look for ward to it... We do need it...thanks alot SecondChildUserIdTAG: 375549 SecondChildUserNameTAG: twedee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T02:35:36Z FirstChildTAG: I was looking for solution to this problem ....great to see this.... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1120511 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Savitachaudhary FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T16:06:42Z FirstChildTAG: Looking forward to it! Thank you, very much. Randy FirstChildUserIdTAG: 922804 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RandyFromm52 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T16:10:31Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks, Claudia - this will be a great help. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1411747 FirstChildUserNameTAG: susanjohnsonis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T19:23:42Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Claudia, excellent... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T19:25:01Z FirstChildTAG: thank you FirstChildUserIdTAG: 225392 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ElenaUrsol FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T19:27:45Z FirstChildTAG: great! and thank you :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277754 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ditza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T21:22:06Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Claudia. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 967254 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sanchez04 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:36:52Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you. Bibliography? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T14:27:14Z SecondChildTAG: Yes! Bibliography! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T21:00:01Z SecondChildTAG: We _just_ posted the Bibliography for H24H. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T22:08:10Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks!!! Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T14:02:26Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks this is very helpful. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952368 SecondChildUserNameTAG: olivet07 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T02:27:03Z FirstChildTAG: Looking forward to this. Will it include a pronunciation guide? I'd like to understand how to convert the phonemes of the transcription to sound. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1224506 FirstChildUserNameTAG: debradley FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T21:39:26Z SecondChildTAG: me too.. It would be good to pronounce it the proper way SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1447739 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ManmitaK SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T17:46:49Z SecondChildTAG: There are several free pronunciation guides available online, although they may not be as complete as needed for this class and may vary in reliability. For example, see [http://www.howjsay.com/][1]. [1]: http://www.howjsay.com/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T20:06:34Z FirstChildTAG: thank you , i've created a small list myself, and with yours list the reading will be much convient for me. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1380067 FirstChildUserNameTAG: manorshao FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T22:33:29Z FirstChildTAG: Oh Brilliant - I had started a small list - and have fluorescent marker to hand all the time - but this will be a fantastic addition. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 894820 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sioux FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T23:08:28Z FirstChildTAG: That would be very useful, thank you! I see that many words are typically the same in the modern Greek for example the words "muthos", "athloi", "Hera", "hora" but there are some words that are not so easy to be detected in our modern language. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1267581 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Thodoras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T01:33:48Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks a lot! Great thought! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1275949 FirstChildUserNameTAG: filareti FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T00:26:02Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you! Very useful tool. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1111856 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Christofakis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T08:00:43Z FirstChildTAG: To anyone interested, the core vocabulary is now posted under the heading H24H, at the end of the left-hand column, just before the bibliography :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T09:14:58Z SecondChildTAG: dcaillat, you, and Claudia, of course, are very efficient. I got the list. Thanks. Felavin SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1394273 SecondChildUserNameTAG: felavin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T23:24:40Z FirstChildTAG: I have the list and I printed it as well. Now, a petition: Would it be possible for Claudia to share a 3 column list with all of us?// First column in Greek script; second, transliteration into English; third, possible meanings within the context of the word. If we have it, we may push ourselves to actually learn Greek along with the heroic spirit of the course. Thanks. Felavin FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1394273 FirstChildUserNameTAG: felavin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T01:35:23Z SecondChildTAG: Felavin, This sounds like a project the students (if they pool their knowledge) could undertake themselves. In order to type ancient Greek you need to enable a polytonic Greek layout and font on your computer. A crowd-sourced solution! Cheers, Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T13:13:35Z FirstChildTAG: Very useful for us Greeks, too! Thank you very much! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T14:01:08Z SecondChildTAG: Mariannamartini, how far or close you find the Greek from Illiad to your own modern Greek? Felavin SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1394273 SecondChildUserNameTAG: felavin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T23:14:40Z IndexTAG: 21 TitleTAG: Sourcebook and 24 hours download sites: Found these url's in case anyone is interested in doing some reading ahead of the course start date. :-) Link to download both vols of the "Sourcebook": http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/texts.html Link to read online "The Best of the Achaeans": http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/nagy/BofATL/toc.html Link to download the first 8 hours of "The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours" http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/fall2011_fas_dce/notes_fall11/NagyAncientGreekHero24Hours_first8hrs_2011-10-02.pdf The book can be pre-ordered from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/The-Ancient-Greek-Hero-Hours/dp/0674073401 Have fun! Ze Pedro, Lisbon (Portugal) UserIdTAG: 1019947 UserNameTAG: JosePedroMartins CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:59:11Z VoteTAG:41 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: Thank You, Thank You so much i am elated. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914632 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Taska FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:12:33Z SecondChildTAG: Muito obrigada! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1140482 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DeaFonseca SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T07:07:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hi JosePedroMartins! Thanks so much for enrolling in the course and for sharing these wonderful links! I have some information about these resources that might be useful to you and to all our participants. > Link to download both vols of the "Sourcebook": http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/texts.html Notice that this document is available via a "dynamic archive" for the course. Prof. Nagy has been teaching this class for many years, but he makes significant changes every time, and he has been archiving the related resources for several years now. So this links to an older version of the Sourcebook. I can assure you that the new version we share shortly on this site is greatly improved. For instance, it will incorporate Prof. Nagy's translations for 250 focus passages or key texts. These have been painstakingly translated by him specifically for this course. A great deal of our discussion together will take place around these translations. So a key element--perhaps the key element--is missing from these older versions of the Sourcebook. > Link to read online "The Best of the Achaeans": http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/nagy/BofATL/toc.html This influential work was put online very early. I believe the edition we share will be much easier to read. More about that very soon! > Link to download the first 8 hours of "The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours" http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/fall2011_fas_dce/notes_fall11/NagyAncientGreekHero24Hours_first8hrs_2011-10-02.pdf This is a very early draft of these chapters (note the 2011 date). So, if someone were to only read these chapters once, I would suggest they wait for the version we share. > The book can be pre-ordered from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/The-Ancient-Greek-Hero-Hours/dp/0674073401 All the participants in this course will get access to a free e-book of *The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours*. We are thrilled that so many of you are eager to start reading! If you'd like to read beautiful research now, you might want to check out the many freely available books, articles and resources available online via the Center for Hellenic Studies website. http://chs.harvard.edu All the best, Claudia Filos FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:58:13Z SecondChildTAG: Dear JosePedroMartins, Earlier I commented upon this link: >Link to download the first 8 hours of "The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours" http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/fall2011_fas_dce/notes_fall11/NagyAncientGreekHero24Hours_first8hrs_2011-10-02.pdf I noted that it was pointing towards an older draft. Our teaching team is so thrilled about the eagerness to begin reading, that they have updated the link. It now provides access to the latest draft of the first 21 Hours of the book!! Happy reading!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T15:34:54Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Claudia and Hero Team!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 972152 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IsisWisdom SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T18:59:48Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you, Claudia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 770565 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MikeBone1961 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T01:06:47Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Claudia~ :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1200574 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LAGIOIA SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T13:29:13Z SecondChildTAG: Hi there, the sourcebooks and H24H have been uploaded, but in html format. Is there anyway to access these in pdf format so that they can be downloaded and viewed anytime, and anywhere. In the current version they seem to require an Internet Connection for viewing. Thanks SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161314 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Honeyboyseab SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T19:42:57Z SecondChildTAG: I was also hoping for a pdf to send to my ereader ... easier on my poor eyes. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1235396 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ladydusk SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:56:53Z SecondChildTAG: I agree - there was something said about an e-book but I hope that doesn't (only) mean the H24H link on this site. That will be painful. Please release it as a pdf or epub version. I would gladly purchase the book but I see it won't be available until April 22. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1037110 SecondChildUserNameTAG: wuwei SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T01:58:50Z SecondChildTAG: An epub version of the textbook would be greatly appreciated. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 299253 SecondChildUserNameTAG: baywoof SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T00:03:39Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks a lot! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1142293 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EleniL FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T10:10:34Z FirstChildTAG: This is great, thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279699 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CSMALAKASIS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T21:52:11Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks for sharing! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1254137 FirstChildUserNameTAG: voupsy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T07:23:10Z FirstChildTAG: I can not down H24H to my android reader (ver 4.1 jelly bean) I get a message that the file is corrupted. Can anyone help please? Thanks, Doug FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1323951 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dougcasey FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T19:44:15Z IndexTAG: 22 TitleTAG: [FROM STAFF] Removal of PDF's of H24H, Coming soon--epub version of H24H For copyright reasons, we have had to remove the PDFs of H24H from the course site. On the other hand, we will in the next few days make freely available an epub version of H24H that can be read on tablets and computers. Best, Claudia UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T19:36:10Z VoteTAG:37 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 33 FirstChildTAG: thank you very much! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T17:30:41Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks professor SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1391459 SecondChildUserNameTAG: margiegg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T15:02:39Z FirstChildTAG: thanks for this ! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1320351 FirstChildUserNameTAG: David-Vincent FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T22:27:49Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1175308 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Clemencia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T11:51:39Z FirstChildTAG: Good to read. Thanks a lot. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1402710 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DirkW FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T19:40:45Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks Claudia!I was searching for it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1230942 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Maroulou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T19:45:51Z FirstChildTAG: Just curious: Could you explain what the copyright issue was? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 FirstChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T20:32:43Z FirstChildTAG: That's fantastic news! Thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 913058 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Prosody FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T22:55:08Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much - it is easier on the eyes at time to read off my tablet rather than the PC. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 894820 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sioux FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T23:06:29Z SecondChildTAG: Reading on a computer screen for an extended period of time with bifocals is really hard of the neck and on the disposition! And with ePub you can set the font. thanks. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T23:09:18Z FirstChildTAG: I'm so happy to hear this! I've taken to reading The Iliad in my paper copy because it's so much easier, but I felt I was missing out on the translation you all worked so hard on. Thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1368211 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mandie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T00:03:31Z SecondChildTAG: I was doing the same!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1348766 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jessimorey SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T00:21:21Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much for this! It will be easier for me to travel with in my nook! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333767 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Chanira FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T00:19:59Z FirstChildTAG: If you don't have an e-reader like Kindle or Nook, there's a free reader from Adobe that you can use on your computer: http://www.adobe.com/products/digital-editions/download.html Give it a try. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 937747 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Radioface FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T01:01:58Z SecondChildTAG: thanks for sharing this SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T06:51:22Z FirstChildTAG: Fantastic! I would love to read on my Nook. Can you also supply instructions for downloading to the Nook. thanks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 910186 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ghefferon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T01:27:56Z FirstChildTAG: Claudia, That is understandable. However, I do have problems reading and remembering what I read from a computer screen, or the kindle on my computer. The ADHD makes it hard for me to concentrate and to remember. It will just take me a bit longer to get through it by reading electronically. Will the book be published in hard copy soon? I thought I remember seeing that somewhere. Thanks, Suzie FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1304515 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SuzieReid FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T04:18:42Z SecondChildTAG: Amazon says April 22. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T04:47:50Z SecondChildTAG: Harvard University Press says June 10, 2013. http://www.hup.harvard.edu/results-list.php?author=4914 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T15:45:41Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you, both! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1304515 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SuzieReid SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T16:49:48Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you for your generosity Miss Claudia. Cordially Panagiotis from Athens. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1314648 FirstChildUserNameTAG: 9-0 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T12:26:29Z FirstChildTAG: thanks FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294602 FirstChildUserNameTAG: isaacalvarez1978 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T15:47:29Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you, that's great news. I prefer to read on my e-reader instead of the computerscreen. HRiggs, it's possible to just download adobe and read epub formats. I'm not sure if you can print it as well, I never tried. You might want to check 'adobe digital editions', it's free of charge. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1452958 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Irenemd83 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T22:28:24Z FirstChildTAG: An epub format can be viewed with a browser, because it has HTML or XHTML files within. Like a zipped folder. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T10:48:13Z FirstChildTAG: thank you Miss Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 985170 FirstChildUserNameTAG: magnificath FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T08:33:59Z FirstChildTAG: Yikes, I love pdf and the ability to print or markup the text. Have never used epub and have only a laptop, hopefully it is user friendly. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1284457 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bill12 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T09:36:19Z SecondChildTAG: I don't concentrate as well when reading from a screen. But I understand the situation. That said, I'm thrilled with this course! You've given me so much more to think about and appreciate. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1243931 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Diana621 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T21:11:25Z FirstChildTAG: That's such a shame, because I am finding it difficult to manage reading so much on my computer. I don't think I have anything compatible with epub. Oh well, thanks for the free course anyway. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893405 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erinath FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T20:08:02Z SecondChildTAG: epub is a fairly open standard and can be read by many things. There are also converts for epub so you can use them on something like a Kindle etc etc. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1207081 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pjoseph SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T21:28:23Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, but it does require a dedicated epub reader (software to download with all its compatibility issues, especially if it includes DRM). The fundamental problem is that many people find reading long pieces of text (or slow reading of texts painful on a computer screen, I certainly do). To the extent that it interferes with this reading process it interferes with the primary goals of this course. The publisher is probably worried that someone will take all the pdfs, put them together (online), and that this will compete with future sales of the book and hurt their (and Professor Nagy's share of the) profits. It's a conflict between the accessibility of Professor Nagy's wisdom and knowledge (for which he certainly deserves monetary compensation) and ancient Greek culture and the need to make a buck. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T23:33:00Z SecondChildTAG: What can you read a pdf on (that isn't a computer/backlit screen) that you can't read epub on? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1368211 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mandie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T00:02:47Z SecondChildTAG: I can read any pdf on my computer and print it out right now. I cannot view or print an epub book right now without obtaining an extra piece of software (a reader). If there is DRM on the epub material it may prevent some of these options. I like to print it out and mark it up when I read. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T00:17:25Z SecondChildTAG: Install [Calibre][1]. It's free, cross-platform (Windows, Mac, OS/X and Linux all supported) and has a "convert" function. Click on any book in your Calibre library, then select "Convert" and you can convert it to a PDF (or a huge range of other formats). (You can also import a vast range of other formats, not just e-books, into Calibre.) The result will look pretty much exactly like the epub original, and you won't be breaking copyright so long as you don't share the resulting file around with others. Once you have a PDF version, you can print it if you want a paper version, of course. [1]: http://calibre-ebook.com/download SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T09:28:59Z SecondChildTAG: Brian, Thanks!! I do only use Linux (Linux Mint is my favourite). I have also seen (for Linux only) something called fbreader. I will check it out. Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T14:00:43Z SecondChildTAG: Well, I'm not a computer buff by any means, and all of this has gone right above my head. What a time to find out. Back to my own copy of the Iliad and write notes on H24H by hand, I reckon. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T21:01:22Z SecondChildTAG: Mandie - I can view pdfs on my Kindle, but to convert something from epub to a suitable format normally means copyright issues. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 893405 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Erinath SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T02:56:10Z SecondChildTAG: I think it is important to realize that Professor Nagy has been extraordinarily generous with his work. Many of his books are freely available on the web through the Hellenic Center at no cost. He is truly dedicated to making all aspects of ancient Greek culture freely available to everyone. No matter the issues, he deserves our thanks and applause! Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T00:28:06Z FirstChildTAG: Great! This will make things so much easier. :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 476111 FirstChildUserNameTAG: adpacres FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T00:21:07Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Staff, Where will the epub version be posted? Please notify us when it shows up (especially if it isn't clearly evident). Thanks so much! (I'd much rather read an epub on my Kobo than on my laptop.) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 FirstChildUserNameTAG: lmarie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T01:02:20Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you, and thanks for choosing a format favored by librarians, one that will work on e-readers such as Sony, Kobo, Nook, and Aluretek. Even Apple devices. Android pads, etc. etc. If you don't have a device that will read epub, look for inexpensive readers such as the Kobo Mini which our local real bookstore, brick and morter, recently had on sale for about $60. If you have one of these readers you can even buy e-books from independent booksellers. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342618 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TakomaWren FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T19:39:01Z FirstChildTAG: Please let us know when a downloadable version is available, and a little instruction as to how to do it would really us that are not so computer advanced. I love this opportunity! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1323951 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dougcasey FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T22:25:17Z FirstChildTAG: What can you do in epub on a kindle fire that you cannot do using the browser? I was very satisfied with the built-in browser for reading, but there is little I can do in terms of note-taking, highlighting, or bookmarking. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1390512 FirstChildUserNameTAG: StephenPB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T03:49:23Z FirstChildTAG: Is the epub version available yet? I don;t always have internet access, so it's no good to have to do my reading online. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 998605 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VagoDamitio FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T17:10:50Z FirstChildTAG: I preferred the other version, where I was able to print and marked what interested me, however I understand the staff's concerns. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1260792 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AgaA FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T22:32:04Z FirstChildTAG: How do you open it? It won't work on my computer. Or maybe I am not doing something right. I have an iMac. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1304515 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SuzieReid FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T07:31:01Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Suzie, I assume that you have downloaded the epub h24h book and are trying to open it, yes? You probably need another application, a ebook reader, which may not already be on your computer. This can be obtained on the web for free. So what you need to do is search the web for an ebook reader for your iMac. I think there might be an Adobe product that works, as well as trying *Calibre*. Good luck! Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T13:08:44Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Hal, I will see if I can find that! :) ~ Suzie ~ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1304515 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SuzieReid SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T16:34:00Z FirstChildTAG: Would it be possible to get an epub version of the Sourcebook as well? I'd like to be able to read that offline/on a non-emissive screen as well. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1224506 FirstChildUserNameTAG: debradley FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T13:16:01Z SecondChildTAG: I was wondering this as well. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 945777 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mikec16 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T23:44:42Z FirstChildTAG: A note about formatting: When I open the epub file in Adobe Digital Editions, Greek letters with accent or breathing marks and some other symbols are displayed as ? When I open the file in calibre ([http://calibre-ebook.com][1]), everything seems to be displayed properly. [1]: http://calibre-ebook.com FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897034 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T18:18:34Z FirstChildTAG: Has this been posted somewhere and I missed it, or is it not up yet? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1368211 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mandie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T14:27:34Z SecondChildTAG: Click on the Course Info tab at the top of the page. You should see the link on the right-hand side. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T15:20:16Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Claudia The downloaded epub version is locked. How does one open it? Thank you for a most stimulating course. Best. Gerard FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1284664 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Gerard73 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T04:10:20Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Gerard73, How are you trying to open it? Have you downloaded an epub reader? For example, *Calibre* is the name of a free epub reader and versions of it have been been for most operating systems. Using this I had no problem reading the epub version. Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T18:29:04Z FirstChildTAG: Safari won't open the epub version. Can you suggest another browser or a solution for Safari? Thanks! Texican FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1482805 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Texican FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T22:06:24Z SecondChildTAG: iBooks will on the iPad at least. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T06:24:09Z FirstChildTAG: Great news! My e-reader gets a bit bitchy with pdf sometimes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 844461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T07:56:42Z IndexTAG: 23 TitleTAG: [FROM CLAUDIA] Gratitude and Question: What is Your Favorite Passage from the Iliad? Dear all, I am so grateful for all the beautiful posts in this Discussion of late! Today I read a post by a participant on one of my favorite passages. > The horses of the descendant of Aiakos stood out of the fight and wept when they heard that their driver had been laid low by the hand of manslaughtering Hector. Automedon, valiant son of Diores, [430] lashed them again and again; many a time did he speak kindly to them, and many a time did he upbraid them, but they would neither go back to the ships by the waters of the broad Hellespont, nor yet into battle among the Achaeans; they stood with their chariot stock still, [435] as a pillar set over the tomb of some dead man or woman, and bowed their heads to the ground. That post helped me to read the passage in a totally new way, and I've been thinking about those lines for 20 years!! Thank you!! But now I'm eager to hear from you all. What has been your favorite passage so far? Has anything moved you? Best, Claudia UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T23:32:04Z VoteTAG:35 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 79 FirstChildTAG: *When the servants had washed the body and anointed it, and had wrapped it in a fair khiton and mantle, [590] Achilles himself lifted it on to a bier, and he and his men then laid it on the wagon. He cried aloud as he did so and called on the name of his dear comrade, “Be not angry with me, Patroklos,” he said, “if you hear even in the house of Hadēs that I have given great Hector to his father for a ransom. It has been no unworthy one, [595] and I will share it equitably with you.”* Iliad, scroll XXIV. After all the violence, the battles, the anger, the killings, we see a scene where the hero recognize the value of the enemy. Not only that, but there are also clear all the condradictive feelings Achilleus has to face. The final battle is the battle with himself. The adjective "great" which is given to him right on the next line shows that in the end he managed to do the right thing and take the right decision. In that way he gains glory - a glory that would be denied to him if the body of Hector was stolen from Hermes as we see in previous lines of the same scroll (1-120). (edit: as i just noticed, in the greek translation I use - of Jacob Polylas - the adjective that follows and describes Achilleus is "isotheos" which means "equal to gods", something that shows the importance of the glory he will be given because of his actions) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1330309 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maria_nizamidou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T23:26:07Z FirstChildTAG: [150] With what heart can any of the Achaeans do your bidding, either on foray or in open fighting? I came to make war here not because the Trojans are responsible [aitioi] for any wrong committed against me. I have no quarrel with them. They have not raided my cattle nor my horses, [155] nor cut down my harvests on the rich plains of Phthia; for between me and them there is a great space, both mountain and sounding sea. We have followed you, shameless one, for your pleasure, not ours – to gain satisfaction [timē] from the Trojans for you – you with the looks of a dog – and for Menelaos. [160] You forget this, and threaten to rob me of the prize [geras] for which I have toiled, and which the sons of the Achaeans have given me. Never when the Achaeans destroy any rich city of the Trojans do I receive so good a prize [geras] as you do, [165] though it is my hands that do the better part of the fighting. When the sharing comes, your share is far the largest, and I must go back to my ships, take what I can get and be thankful, when my labor of fighting is done. Now, therefore, I shall go back to Phthia; it will be much better [170] for me to return home with my ships, for I will not stay here dishonored to gather gold and substance for you." I like Achilles for standing up fo what he believes in. He is not afraid of his King. He sees what Agamemnon really is "shameless" He also calls him ugly which is an open insult. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1434241 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mayragul FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T01:20:20Z SecondChildTAG: Agamemnon is not 'his' king,his own father is. Agamemnon is leader of the Achaean army, and his family did not have the best of reputations anyway! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T07:55:04Z SecondChildTAG: Agamemnon is not his "king" but he is the "official" leader of the kings of the Αχαιοί ( Δαναοί), and he would never be afraid of him , quite the opposite. In fact Αχιλλεύς is the main guy, the man, The Hero of Heroes! Morally superior to Agamemnon. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T14:34:11Z SecondChildTAG: ok Agamemnon may not be his king, as Achilles himself is the king of Phthia, but he is the leader of the army and no matter how superior Achilles feels it is trully an insult to speak to a leader before his army, the way he speaks, and I strongly believe that he intended it to be that way. This is also my favorite passage - up to now -I agree with everyone noticing how difficult it is to choose one among so many beautiful scenes. I like this part mainly because it very clearly shows and explains why Achilles got so angry and how rightful this anger was. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T13:18:53Z SecondChildTAG: Do remember there was already bad blood between Achilles and Agamemnon, in fact had been right from the start of the Trojan War. Achilles had been hidden, dressed as a woman, to get out of the war-see what happened there.. AND if you realise that Agamemnon brought his own daughter Iphigenia over on the pretext of marrying her to Achilles and then either sacrificed her as an omen, or sent her off to a temple-depending which version you want, you can quite see that Agamemnon is not a favourite of Achilles. Everyone there would know the family of Agamemnon was cursed!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T13:56:48Z FirstChildTAG: The entire battle scenes to date have been my favorite. They are so vividly written that I find myself grimacing and almost crying out at the carnage I read. I found myself incredibly touched by the grieving horses passage - and how their grief and drooping manes contrasted the passages just before when Patroklos and the Myrmidons march out to fight the Trojans - all with their magnificent plumed horse-hair helmets. Like Andromache's hair before her lament. Patroklos: [135] He hung his silver-studded sword of bronze about his shoulders, and then his mighty shield. On his comely head he set his helmet, well wrought, with a crest of horse-hair that nodded menacingly above it. Myrmidons: [215] Shield pressed on shield, helmet on helmet, and man on man; so close were they that the horse-hair plumes on the gleaming ridges of their helmets touched each other as they bent their heads FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1114557 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JacquiRenee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T00:59:37Z SecondChildTAG: I, too, found myself grimacing whilst reading the battle scenes. It is quite graphic to read about brains being splattered about inside someone's helmet! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 890680 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jeanne_Burke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T19:12:29Z SecondChildTAG: Although not my favourite passages these battle scenes evoke the heat,din, slippery blood feel of a battle. I thank all the Gods on Olympus that I have never experienced them! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1223502 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Charalambos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T04:06:11Z SecondChildTAG: I second that! I wonder why an epic does not exist for a peaceful and productive life? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:53:55Z SecondChildTAG: Everyone would go to sleep! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T13:57:28Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Claudia, The weeping horses is just heartrending. I am not sure that I would call this my favorite passage, as I haven't read the whole book yet, but I found this brief excerpt particularly vivid: >There are days in autumn when the whole countryside lies darkened and oppressed under a stormy sky and Zeus sends down torrential rain as a punishment to men. His anger is roused because regardless of the jealous eye of Heaven they have misused their powers, delivered crooked judgments in a public session and driven justice out. In consequence their streams all run in spate, hillsides are scarred by torrent, and the rivers, wrecking the farmlands in their way, rush down headlong from the mountains with a great roar into the turbid sea. Such was the din that went up from the Trojan horse as they fled. *Iliad*, Scroll XVI ~385-395, Rieu translation For me this shows super-human power at its most intense, and that there will be punishment for immoral deeds. I think about times that I have been out in a wilderness, in the midst of a storm, and feeling how small we humans are in the face of nature. It sends shivers down my spine. Jennifer FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897034 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T01:46:08Z SecondChildTAG: Absolutely, and the descriptive details obviously stem from experience. I'm from Scotland, and this is exactly how the Highlands appear when the wind and rain are doing their worst. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T11:33:52Z FirstChildTAG: While the battle scenes amaze me with their clinical details of the wounds and death-blows (reminiscent of the opening of *Saving Private Ryan*), I especially like some of the touches that come at the end of day--moments of rest from the carnage of battle, for example this from Scroll VII: *They spread a goodly banquet and feasted the whole night through, as also did the Trojans and their allies in the city. But all the time Zeus boded them ill and roared with his portentous thunder. Pale fear got hold upon them, [480] and they spilled the wine from their cups on to the ground, nor did any dare drink till he had made offerings to the most mighty son of Kronos. Then they laid themselves down to rest and enjoyed the boon of sleep.* or this, from Scroll VIII: *[555] As when the stars shine clear, and the moon is bright – there is not a breath of air, not a peak nor glade nor jutting headland but it stands out in the ineffable radiance that breaks forth from the sky; the stars can all of them be told and the heart of the shepherd is glad – [560] even thus shone the watchfires of the Trojans before Ilion midway between the ships and the river Xanthos. A thousand camp-fires gleamed upon the plain, and in the glow of each there sat fifty men, while the horses, champing [565] oats and wheat beside their chariots, waited till dawn should come.* FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 FirstChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:41:27Z SecondChildTAG: One other passage that stood out especially to me was the foreshadowing of the total destruction of the walls of Troy by the gods, which Scroll XII. *The Iliad* continually reminds us of the long-term fate of Troy to come, but this passage especially seals it--nothing will be left to see (until archeologists start digging there thousands of years later!). Given the opposing sentiments of the gods during the war, this final work by Zeus, Apollo and Poseidon cements the inevitability of events to come. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:47:40Z SecondChildTAG: > [555] As when the stars shine clear, and the moon is bright – there is not a breath of air, not a peak nor glade nor jutting headland but it stands out in the ineffable radiance that breaks forth from the sky; the stars can all of them be told and the heart of the shepherd is glad – [560] even thus shone the watchfires of the Trojans before Ilion midway between the ships and the river Xanthos. A thousand camp-fires gleamed upon the plain, and in the glow of each there sat fifty men, while the horses, champing [565] oats and wheat beside their chariots, waited till dawn should come. that one is beautiful! I am drawn to these descriptions of the juxtaposition of natural and human worlds; I guess in part because of my relatively urban life. Cheers, Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:49:05Z SecondChildTAG: Also, the cover art on [this translation][1] of the *Iliad* by Lombardo brings us face-to-face with the 20th century relevance of this song. [1]: http://www.amazon.com/Iliad-Homer/dp/0872203522/ref=la_B000AP7OK4_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1364960974&sr=1-11 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:52:01Z SecondChildTAG: Wow. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T16:05:32Z SecondChildTAG: that one is my favourite so far too the description is just so real to the eyes of the reader!!!everyone is waiting to read what happens next..... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 929600 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nikopetsalis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T05:29:54Z SecondChildTAG: I too find this passage to be one of my favorites as well. I could so picture that scene in my mind as I read it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1455391 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DonnaMJ SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T16:49:53Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Claudia, thanks for posting this question, which we have already been discussing on our facebook page. There, many of us were mentioning the farewell scene between Hektor and Andromache, so I was looking elsewhere and wrote: *...But beauty is everywhere, also in the heart of battle, for example in the wonderful dialogue between Diomedes and Glaukos in scroll six; or when Achilles's immortal horses Xanthos and Balios mourn the death of Patroklos and weep, refusing to move on, in scroll 17; or (since I have read a little ahead) the overwhelming description of Achilles's new shield, made by Héphaïstos at Thetis's request, in scroll 18. The shield is a cosmic narrative all by itself...* I won't quote the Glaucus-Diomedes scene nor the fabulous and heart-wrenching description of weeping Xanthos and Balios, since others have done it above, and will just add my other fb comment: *...The very fact that in battle, every warrior is named and so many have a micro-narrative, so that we feel that we know them. This is so great: death is not anonymous. How barbaric we are, humans of the 21st century, who drop bombs blindly from heaven and send unmanned drones to kill and maim people we know nothing about: nothing more than dust to us. The negation of life, which is a moment of individuality, of specific form, of having a name and having kins, being part of an ancestral line."* Often, it will be just a sentence, the setting of the scene in a nature that seems to be so much part of the action, with its own narratives... The beginning of the war is a terrific opening that says it all, not a word too many and so poignant: > When the companies were thus arrayed, each under its own chief, the Trojans advanced as a flight of wild fowl or cranes that scream overhead when rain and winter [5] drive them over the flowing waters of Okeanos to bring death and destruction on the Pygmies, and they wrangle in the air as they fly; but the Achaeans marched silently, in high heart, and minded to stand by one another. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T05:51:26Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique, I love that last quote. The Achaeans marching silently reminds me of the aria, Squilli, Echeggi la Tromba, in Il Trovatore where an entire army sings sweetly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pz5v_BLC4k#t=01h11m01s. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T16:32:28Z SecondChildTAG: And for the Trojans, the first 90 seconds of Verdi's Dies Irae (Requiem). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW1Uc-grcMs. After about a minute and a half, the focus turns to the Acheans... Later, the brass fanfare = the Gods on the Olympus gather to watch the battle... And finally Jose van Dam, the poet, stunned by the disasters he is about to describe... We are now ready to experience the terror of war. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T17:02:14Z SecondChildTAG: Sorry, wrong link: my comment follows Karajan's version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVjDP0vlem4 (the Solti fragment is interrupted earlier). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T17:18:20Z SecondChildTAG: ![Ambrosian Iliad][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13650964251343643.jpg SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T17:27:48Z SecondChildTAG: Oh yes! Great choice. What is this beautiful image? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T19:01:03Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique - source please! I second Ghenghis; where's it from? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T19:32:54Z SecondChildTAG: It's a fragment of the the "Ambrosian Iliad": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosian_Iliad SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T00:30:39Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique I like the way you search and find beauty everywhere. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T08:53:23Z FirstChildTAG: This is my favourite one; Hektor saying to Achilles that he'll respect his corpse if he slays him, asking Achilles to do likewise, and the reply of the latter in Scroll XXII. > [250] “I will no longer flee you, son of Peleus,” said he, “as I have > been doing hitherto. Three times have I fled round the mighty city of > Priam, without daring to withstand you, but now, let me either slay or > be slain, for I am in the mind to face you. Let us, then, give pledges > to one another by our gods, [255] who are the fittest witnesses and > guardians of all covenants; let it be agreed between us that if Zeus > grants me the longer stay and I take your life [psukhē], I am not to > treat your dead body in any unseemly fashion, but when I have stripped > you of your armor, I am to give up your body to the Achaeans. And do > you likewise.” > > [260] Swift-footed Achilles glared at him and answered, “Fool, prate > not to me about covenants. There can be no covenants between men and > lions, wolves and lambs can never be of one mind, but hate each other > out and out an through. [265] Therefore there can be no understanding > between you and me, nor may there be any covenants between us, till > one or other shall fall and glut grim Ares with his life’s blood. Be > mindful of all your excellence [aretē]; you have need now to prove > yourself indeed a bold warrior and fighter. [270] You have no more > chance, and Pallas Athena will right then and there vanquish you by my > spear: you shall now pay me in full for the grief you have caused me > on account of my comrades whom you have killed in battle.” FirstChildUserIdTAG: 754083 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aquiles77 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T07:58:25Z FirstChildTAG: One of my favourites is this, in scroll 7 - the immediate response to Hector's request for a champion to meet him in single combat: > Thus did he speak, but they all held their peace, ashamed to decline > the challenge, yet fearing to accept it, till at last Menelaos rose > and rebuked them, [95] for he was angry. “Alas,” he cried, “vain > braggarts, women not men, double-dyed indeed will be the stain upon us > if no man of the Danaans will now face Hector. May you be turned every > man of you into earth and water as you sit spiritless [100] and > inglorious in your places. Eventually, after much additional persuasion (and a failed attempt by Menelaos to accept the challenge himself), a handful of men will volunteer. But not right away. In fact, "till at last..." suggests that Menelaos waited a long time for someone to prefer death and glory over staying alive a bit longer. That image, of the heroes sitting on their hands and waiting for some other fool to volunteer, seems to me particularly appealing, partly because it leaves room to doubt some of their apparent enthusiasm at other times. Is Ajax really so keen when the lot finally falls to him? > When Ajax saw his mark [sēma] he knew it and was glad; [190] he threw > it to the ground and said, “My friends, the lot is mine, and I > rejoice, for I shall vanquish radiant Hector. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T10:45:51Z SecondChildTAG: Good selections, Aberwigian. One does wonder just how enthusiastic the men were for battle. Sometimes they are rushing for their boats, at others they're all psyched up for fighting. Even so, many are not willing to fight to the death, and are described as fleeing (even Odysseus makes a run for it). One has to suspect that after ten long years of war men on both sides must be so weary of fighting. It takes a browbeating from their leaders, or divine action to rouse them back into a fighting mood. You have to wonder if Thersites's dissidence reflects the true feelings of the men, and that is why Odysseus moved so quickly to silence him (and make an example of him). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1128876 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Myrmidon SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T00:05:14Z FirstChildTAG: I was moved by the scene of the death of Patroklos. > [790] For he [= Apollo] was covered in a great cloud of mist as he made contact with him. 791 He [= Apollo] stood behind him and he struck him on his back and his broad shoulders 792 with the downturned flat of his hand, making his eyes spin. 793 His helmet was knocked off his head by Phoebus Apollo, 794 and it rolled rattling off under the horses’ hooves. > > 801 Broken completely in his [= Patroklos’] hands was that spear of his that casts a long shadow, 802 a huge and heavy and massive piece of weaponry, and from his shoulders 803 his shield, strap and all, fell to the ground, with its beautiful edgework. 804 Taken away from him was his breastplate, removed by lord Apollo son of Zeus. [805] And his [= Patroklos’] mind was seized by derangement [atē]; his limbs failed him, 806 and he just stood there in a daze. I didn't see it coming, neither did Patroklos ,like a lamb to the slaughter. It made me cry and angry. I really feel for Patroklos (?), and I'm angry with Achilles that man being preoccupied with his afterlife, his best friend being sacrificed for his eternal glory and so many more men, leaving behind mothers, wives, sons, us. Well something like that. It is also pretty straightforward, it has a kind of silence. I can see and feel it happening. (Sorry,I reread H24H and in 0§17 the scene is actually described, slaughter and all) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1387101 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Maaike FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T11:19:52Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, Claudia! It is extremely difficult to single out just one passage, since they are so many worth mentioning! Fortunately, you and my fellow students who preceded me in the discussion have picked up some of the most beautiful. I would like to add one fascinating embedded narrative, the story of Bellerophon, Iliad VI: [150] If, then, you would learn my descent, it is one that is well known to many. There is a city in the heart of Argos, pasture land of horses, called Ephyra, where Sisyphus lived, who was the craftiest of all humankind. He was the son of Aiolos, and had a son named Glaukos, [155] who was father to Bellerophon the blameless, whom the gods have endowed with the most surpassing comeliness and beauty. But Proitos devised his ruin, and being stronger than he, drove him from the locale [dēmos] of the Argives, over which Zeus had made him ruler. [160] For beautiful Antaia, wife of Proitos, lusted after him, and would have had him lie with her in secret; but Bellerophon was an honorable man and would not, so she told lies about him to Proitos. ‘Proitos,’ said she, ‘kill Bellerophon or die, [165] for he would have had converse with me against my will.’ The king was angered, but shrank from killing Bellerophon, so he sent him to Lycia bearing baneful signs [sēma pl.], written inside a folded tablet and containing much ill against the bearer. [170] He bade Bellerophon show these written signs to his father-in-law, to the end that he might thus perish; Bellerophon therefore went to Lycia, and the gods convoyed him safely. When he reached the river Xanthos, which is in Lycia, the king received him with all goodwill, feasted him nine days, and killed nine heifers in his honor, [175] but when rosy-fingered morning appeared upon the tenth day, he questioned him and desired to see the markings [sēma pl.] from his son-in-law Proitos. When he had received the baneful markings [sēma pl.] he first commanded Bellerophon to kill that savage monster, the Chimaera, [180] who was not a human being, but a goddess, for she had the head of a lion and the tail of a serpent, while her body was that of a goat, and she breathed forth flames of fire; but Bellerophon slew her, for he was guided by divine signs. He next fought the far-famed Solymoi, [185] and this, he said, was the hardest of all his battles. Thirdly, he killed the Amazons, women who were the peers of men, and as he was returning thence the king devised yet another plan for his destruction; he selected [krinein] the bravest warriors in all Lycia, and placed them in ambuscade, but not a man ever came back, [190] for blameless Bellerophon killed every one of them. Then the king knew that he must be the valiant offspring of a god, so he kept him in Lycia, gave him his daughter in marriage, and made him of equal honor [timē] in the kingdom with himself; and the Lycians gave him a piece of land, [195] the best in all the country, fair with vineyards and tilled fields, to have and to hold. The king’s daughter bore valiant Bellerophon three children, Isandros, Hippolokhos, and Laodameia. Zeus, the lord of counsel, lay with Laodameia, and she bore him noble Sarpedon; [200] but when Bellerophon came to be hated by all the gods, he wandered all desolate and dismayed upon the plain of Alea, gnawing at his own heart, and shunning the path of man. Ares, insatiate of battle, killed his son Isandros while he was fighting the glorious Solymoi; [205] his daughter was killed by Artemis of the golden reins, for she was angered with her; but Hippolokhos was father to myself, and when he sent me to Troy he urged me again and again to fight ever among the foremost and outcompete my peers, so as not to shame the blood of my fathers [210] who were the noblest in Ephyra and in all Lycia. This, then, is the descent I claim.” FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1344922 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mariakgl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T11:33:08Z FirstChildTAG: I agree with Mariakgl - it is difficult to focus on one excerpt. The Iliad is so beautiful - so many moving passages, with amazing similes, metaphors, and imagery. I totally agree that the "audience" was truly participating in the recitation of the narrative. The narrative truly brings scene after scene to life in one's mind - the sorrow, the horror of war, the anticipation of an outcome of a duel, etc. This particular passage from the opening of Scroll III struck me. Here we find the first mention of Paris. The description of this scene is powerful and, to me, captures a host of emotions tied to war - fear, anger, revenge. "[15] When they were close up with one another, Alexandros the godlike came forward as champion on the Trojan side. On his shoulders he bore the skin of a panther, his bow, and his sword, and he brandished two spears shod with bronze as a challenge to the bravest of the Achaeans to meet him in single fight. [20] Menelaos the warlike saw him stride out thus before the ranks, and was glad as a hungry lion that lights on the carcass of some goat or horned stag, [25] and devours it there and then, though dogs and youths set upon him. In this way was Menelaos glad when his eyes caught sight of godlike Alexandros, thinking now that he should take his revenge, and so he sprang from his chariot, clad in his suit of armor. [30] Alexandros the godlike quailed as he saw Menelaos come forward, and shrank in fear of his life under cover of his men. As one who starts back affrighted, trembling and pale, when he comes suddenly upon a serpent in some mountain glade, [35] even so did godlike Alexandros plunge into the throng of haughty Trojan warriors, terror-stricken at the sight of the son of Atreus." FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1156112 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bscott FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T12:09:21Z FirstChildTAG: I am particularly moved by the scene with Priam and Achilles in Scroll XXIV, where the first one laments his son, Hector, and the latter laments his father and Patroklos. It's so human and relieving. The two enemies put aside their differences and hostility, and open their hearts: Priam besought Achilles saying, 486 “Remember your father, O Achilles, you who look just like the gods. 487 He [= Peleus, the father of Achilles] is just like me, on the destructive threshold of old age. 488 It may be that those who dwell near him 489 are wearing him down, and there is no one to keep damage and devastation away from him. [490] Yet when he hears of you being still alive, 491 he takes pleasure in his heart [thūmos], and every day he is full of hope 492 that he will see his dear [philos] son come home to him from Troy; 493 but I am the most luckless of all men, since I fathered the best sons 494 in the city of Troy, which has power far and wide, and I can now say that there is not one of them left. [495] I had fifty sons when the sons of the Achaeans came here; 496 nineteen of them were from a single womb, 497 and the others were born to me by the women of my halls. 498 Many of them have been hamstrung by swift Arēs, 499 but he who was the only one left, who was the guardian of the city and ourselves, [500] he has been killed by you just now, while he was protecting his fatherland. 501 I mean Hector. And it is because of him that I now come to the ships of the Achaeans 502 intending to ransom his body from you. And I bring with me great ransom beyond telling. 503 Show respect [aideîsthai], O Achilles, to the gods; and have pity on me. 504 Remember your own father. But I am far more pitiable, [505] for I have steeled myself as no one yet among earthbound mortals has ever steeled himself before me. 506 I have raised to my lips the hand of the one who killed my son.” 507 Thus he [= Priam] spoke, and he stirred up in him [= Achilles] a longing to cry in lament [goos] for his own father. 508 He touched the old man’s hand and moved him gently away. 509 And they both remembered. One of them remembered Hector the man-killer [510] and cried for him, shedding tears thick and fast as he lay near the feet of Achilles. 511 As for Achilles, he was crying for his own father at one moment, and then, at the very next moment, 512 he would be crying for Patroklos. And the sounds of lament rose up all over the dwelling. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T12:10:20Z SecondChildTAG: > And they both remembered... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T15:26:19Z SecondChildTAG: I was going to add this scene to the discussion, also. When Priam drives his cart under cover of darkness to the Greek encampment and offers a ransom for his son's body, Achilles is deeply, deeply moved. After all the bloodshed, with more to come, this scene really strikes a beautiful tone and builds up to the funeral of Hector, which closes the Iliad. It's just great. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1383405 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ghamlin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T21:26:23Z SecondChildTAG: Well said and written.... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Erza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T11:12:29Z FirstChildTAG: rapsody Ζ, 369-529 when Andromache meets Hector. I find this passage the most "human" and emotional in whole Iliad.It depicts the human side of the heroes , a family moment . In my mind this peaceful break from the war narration passes a message against violence.Hector is aware of their future , but he has no choice, he is a warrior and he will go to the fatal battle.Although Andromache knows that her words will vanish into thin air ,she tries to convice her husband to quit. I personally doubt if she really wants it to happen.She can foresee what the end will be . I find these lines the most emotional ones. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279322 FirstChildUserNameTAG: eleni1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T15:49:31Z FirstChildTAG: *"and they found Achilles diverting his heart as he was playing on a clear-sounding lyre,"* (Iliad IX 185-195) is a favourite passage, because we learned so much around these lines. Many beautiful passages have been mentioned already, but let me add this favourite, quite funny, story in which Agamemnon, after being inspired by Zeus in a dream, but also with some initiative of his own, decides to try the spirit of his men. So Agamemnon tells his men that he wants to go home, and then things run out of hand; everybody starts running to the ships even before he can end his speech: *..let us sail back to our own land, for we shall not take Troy of the wide ways." With these words he moved the hearts of the multitude, so many of them as knew not the cunning counsel of Agamemnon. They surged to and fro like the waves of the Icarian Sea [pontos], when the east and south winds break from celestial clouds to lash them; or as when the west wind sweeps over a field of wheat and the ears bow beneath the blast, even so were they swayed as they flew with loud cries towards the ships, and the dust from under their feet rose skyward. They cheered each other on to draw the ships into the sea; they cleared the channels in front of them; they began taking away the stays from underneath them, and the sky rang with their glad cries, so eager were they to return.* (Il 2, 138-150). This narrative is so full of mild irony in the description of the wits of Agamemnon and in the exaggerated description of the soldiers' reaction, that it all becomes very lively.. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rien FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T18:48:07Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you Claudia for this question! I find the following sequence from scroll I quite powerful: First act [30]: "The old man [Khrysēs, priest of Apollo] feared him [Agamemnon, king of Mycenae] and obeyed. Not a word he spoke, but went by the shore of the sounding sea... " Reaction [35-40]: "[Khrysēs] prayed apart to King Apollo …. grant my prayer, and let your arrows avenge these my tears upon the Danaans." Resolution [45]: “Apollo heard his prayer [Khrysēs]. He came down furious from the summits of Olympus, with his bow and his quiver upon his shoulder, and the arrows rattled on his back with the rage that trembled within him. He sat himself down away from the ships with a face as dark as night, and his silver bow rang death as he shot his arrow in the midst of them. " Just to “see” Khrysēs’ pray, followed by Apollo’s reaction, made me feel both: “the sounding sea” and “a face as dark as night”. Terrifying images! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1454446 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SandraRealpe FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T19:16:03Z FirstChildTAG: One of the most telling and amazing passages to me was the description of Hephaistos' making of Achilles' shield (Scroll XVIII). The incomparable skill of the immortal metal smith is used to create armor for the great hero. The shield is not only invincible but embellished with super-human skill. It includes all of the physical universe and all of the activities of mankind in its adornments. > He wrought the earth, the heavens, and the sea; the moon also at her > full and the untiring sun, [485] with all the signs that glorify the > face of the heavens – the Pleiades, the Hyades, huge Orion, and the > Bear, which men also call the Wagon and which turns round ever in one > place, facing Orion, and alone never dips into the stream of Okeanos. > ... And this earth includes cities, at peace and under siege, weddings, feuds, ambushes, farms, flocks and festivals all described in great detail. Young women and men danced and flirted, cattle were killed, men cheated each other. Achilles went into battle protected by this shield and armor, but carrying the whole universe and mankind on his back. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:58:16Z SecondChildTAG: oh yes! another great one! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T04:13:50Z SecondChildTAG: Yes! I never read anything like that anywhere at any time... The inclusion of the whole living cosmos, the whole cycle of life in a work of art (a functional work of art, by the way, the shield that is meant to preserve the warrior against the attacks of death. Affirmation of life as a defense against death.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T08:45:02Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique, I think that it is very interesting that your reaction was "life as a defense against death" and mine was that Achilles had the weight of the world on his shoulders. The "weight of the world" is, of course, an English idiom for troubles or sorrows. It makes me ask whether and how the images and conventions of our native languages effect our interpretation of what we read even as we make every effort to read out of the text. The image of sorrows as the weight of the world was certainly built into my thought process. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T20:44:24Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, I think this is often the case and I am sure that language has a strong influence on how we think. But here, actually, the idea of the shield as life vs. death was born spontaneously from the words of the sentence: the association of words led to an association of ideas as I was writing, so that I was surprised by what I ended up with: shield-life-art-protection-death. (What I mean is that I often write something without really thinking too hard, and it is the words on the page that give me an idea, rather than the other way round.) It often works that way for me, as if the words were doing the thinking and I was just transcribing, finding in the end that I actually agree with the sentence that "occurred". Sounds weird? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T23:29:13Z SecondChildTAG: Sounds like you have a muse. Neat, not weird. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T00:59:08Z SecondChildTAG: Very unreliable allies, the Muses, so chatty on a relaxed forum like this, so dumb when they are really needed... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T05:16:56Z SecondChildTAG: I love this section. Great choice, Priscilla. Only a god could put this on a static 2-dimensional plane. For example: _When they reached the place where they would lay their ambush, it was on a riverbed to which live stock of all kinds would come from far and near to water; here, then, **they lay concealed**, clad in full armor. Some way off them there were **two scouts who were on the look-out** for the coming of sheep or cattle, which presently came, followed by **two shepherds who were playing on their pipes**, and had not so much as a thought of danger. When those who were in ambush saw this, **they cut off the flocks** and herds and **killed the shepherds.**_ (XVIII 520-530) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T19:19:19Z SecondChildTAG: When I started reading the making-of-the-shield scene I assumed it would be banal. But it gave me shivers me. I was breathless with the pace of it; in my translation (Fagles), each new section begins with "and"--a device that impels us in our reading. Reading it aloud intensifies the breathless beauty of it. It reminded me of the Molly Bloom soliloquy at the end of Joyce's *Ulysses*. And It's the only time in *The Iliad* that we are removed from the bickering of the gods and the gore of the battle field--to a world that is not quite idyllic but nonetheless wonderful. And how cinematic it is: closeup of Hephaestus bent over his workbench, then fade to the heavens or two noble cities or a fallow field being plowed or a king's estate or a bull being slaughtered by lions--worlds so removed. I was stunned by both the emotion and the literary daring of this scene. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1207929 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RA16415504 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T17:07:21Z FirstChildTAG: I found the passages describing loyalty and grief most touching in the reading I have done thus far. The passage relating Ajax's protection of Patroklos' body to that of a lion protecting its children is at once violent in its defiance and tender in its love. > Hector of the shining helmet had stripped Patroklos of his armor, and was dragging him away to cut off his head and take the body to fling before the dogs of Troy. But Ajax came up with his shield like wall before him, on which Hector withdrew under shelter of his men, and sprang on to his chariot, giving the armor over to the Trojans to take to the city, as a great glory [kleos] for himself; Ajax, therefore, covered the body of Patroklos with his broad shield and bestrode him; as a lion stands over his whelps if hunters have come upon him in a forest when he is with his little ones – in the pride and fierceness of his strength he draws his knit brows down till they cover his eyes – even so did Ajax bestride the body of Patroklos, and by his side stood warlike Menelaos son of Atreus, nursing great sorrow [penthos] in his heart. The passage of the weeping horses was also quite moving in its tenderness and sorrow. It is a beautifully sad image. > The horses of the descendant of Aiakos stood out of the fight and wept when they heard that their driver had been laid low by the hand of manslaughtering Hector. Automedon, valiant son of Diores, lashed them again and again; many a time did he speak kindly to them, and many a time did he upbraid them, but they would neither go back to the ships by the waters of the broad Hellespont, nor yet into battle among the Achaeans; they stood with their chariot stock still, as a pillar set over the tomb of some dead man or woman, and bowed their heads to the ground. Hot tears fell from their eyes as they mourned the loss of their charioteer, and their noble manes drooped all wet from under the yokestraps on either side the yoke. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 890680 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jeanne_Burke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T19:37:40Z FirstChildTAG: My favorites are ALL of the metaphoric passages that begin with the wonderful phrase "as when..." I feel like I get a real insight into the actual poets who developed the oral traditional epic poems. For surely the As When sections gave them the most freedom to develop their own poetry. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1343306 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Joannaroo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T21:21:05Z SecondChildTAG: I agree! I'm still mulling which of the many stunning metaphors I'd choose as favorite. Each of them provides a clear, insightful, analogical frame for the current action. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lmarie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T01:19:35Z SecondChildTAG: I also loved discovering just now in scroll XVIII that the god Hephaistos has android maids fashioned out of gold by him to do routine household tasks! And they are just as smart as the gods! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Joannaroo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T01:15:08Z FirstChildTAG: Hi This passage has really moved me: 1§37. In the passage we have just read, Text C, the high king Agamemnon is telling the story about Hēraklēs and his inferior cousin Eurystheus. The goddess Hērā accelerated the birth of Eurystheus and retarded the birth of Hēraklēs, so that Eurystheus the inferior hero became king, entitled to give commands to the superior hero Hēraklēs. As we see in the Herakles of Euripides, Hēraklēs qualifies as the supreme hero of them all, the aristos 'best' of all humans (verse 150; see also verses 183, 208, 1306). [22] Still, the heroic superiority of Hēraklēs is trumped by the social superiority of Eurystheus, who is entitled by seniority in birth to become the high king and to give orders to Hēraklēs. Similarly, the heroic superiority of Achilles is trumped by the social superiority of Agamemnon at the beginning of the Iliad. The mere passage about his qualification as a hero and as well as that of his birth is such a moving piece to me I am in sorrow that this had to happen as it does solidifies superiority of me regardless of how they got to become a hero or a specific type of heroic figure in Greeks mindset FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1391459 FirstChildUserNameTAG: margiegg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T21:16:44Z FirstChildTAG: I really like the whole of Scroll IV. The gods talking among themselves, when Kronos has called a council. There is Kronos teasing his wife Hera, Hera and Aphrodite watching on, hatching a plan to destroy the Trojans. Aphrodite descends to protect Alexandros. Then they individually council different hero's. Athena then becomes drawn into the fight. Hera really does not care what happens to the towns or the mortals that she is supposed to protect. So through the jealousy, envious, greedy, gods the mortals are drawn inexorably into battle which causes the injuries and death on both sides to the mortals. I can very easily imagine a vast arena, where the gods stand towering on the outside and looking down into the arena, moving and placing the hero's with their armies, like little chess piece's. And they (the gods) argue and squbble like little children because they do not like to be outmaneuvred or to lose the game. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1515720 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HeatherParsons FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T22:44:06Z SecondChildTAG: Love this vision you describe! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lmarie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T01:21:56Z SecondChildTAG: Like a modern soap opera you see we Hellenes thought of that kind even back than!xo SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T14:22:39Z FirstChildTAG: Is hard to say that I already have a favorite passage now. I'm going deep now into the texts. I'm going to wait for while to say my favorite one! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 162926 FirstChildUserNameTAG: danreis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T00:58:27Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Danreis, I agree! I must admit I did not read it all, but besides, I find that, the deeper we go through this course, the more I like The Iliad. So I prefer to enjoy and enlarge my comprehension of the book and then chose my favourite passage. All the best! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Susanaines SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T03:17:58Z SecondChildTAG: That is a wise stance ! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T14:19:35Z SecondChildTAG: Yes for me as well. This is the first pass of The Iliad and the further I get the richer I find it. I am slowly getting the vibe and the feeling of the waves of emotion. I rarely read literature a second time, that is my nature, but I will certainly make an exception of The Iliad. Learn first and then enjoy. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1223502 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Charalambos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T04:28:24Z FirstChildTAG: Iliad 15:264 as a horse stabled and full fed, breaks loose and gallops gloriously over the plain to the place where he is wont to take his bath in the river. He tosses his head and his mane streams over his shoulders as in all the pride of his strength he flies full speed to pastures where the mares are feeding FirstChildUserIdTAG: 941520 FirstChildUserNameTAG: WilliamMoulton2 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T04:57:33Z SecondChildTAG: William, I definitely appreciated that passage as well. I can imagine the exciting festival night in which that epic poem was shared with the audience. The magical exchange of the memnemi between the Muses,and Homer or the storyteller, all for the benefit of the Audience, no small wonder the epic has lasted throughout time. The metaphor of the striding stallion prepares for the beauty of Paris as he prepares for the battlefield, then rushing out of the palace home to meet his brother Hector. --even so went forth Paris from high Pergamus gleaming like sunlight in his armor, and he laughed aloud as he sped swiftly on his way.Forthwith he came upon his brother Hector, who was then turning away... (I am reading the Iliad and The Odyssey translated by Samuel Butler, A Buki Editions Collection, as well as the Source book Iliad 6: 531-545,. SOURCEBOOK LOCATION: Iliad,Book VI, Lines 504-519,. Birdy SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1033422 SecondChildUserNameTAG: birdymcgraw SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T23:44:42Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, Claudia, classmates, The first time I read The Iliad, I was on the edge of my seat during the chariot race. I was surprised at how exciting I found it--like an action film. In this scene, Nestor gives his son, Antilokhos, advice on how to win the race by out-smarting the others with his slow horses. [XXIII 305] _“Antilokhos,” said Nestor, ... “I need not ... say much by way of instruction. You are skillful at wheeling your horses round the post, but ... see if you cannot hit upon some artifice [metis] whereby you may insure that the prize shall not slip through your fingers. The woodsman does more by **skill [metis]** than by brute **force [bie]** ... a man of **craft [kerdos]** may have worse horses, but he will keep them well in hand when he sees the turning-post [terma]; he knows the precise moment at which to pull the rein, and keeps his eye well on the man in front of him... Standing over there is a stump of deadwood, ... swift-footed radiant Achilles has set it up as a turning point. Get as close to it as you can when you drive your chariot horses toward it, and keep leaning toward one side as you stand on the platform of your well-built chariot, leaning to the left as you drive your horses. Your right-side horse you must goad, calling out to it, and give that horse some slack as you hold its reins, while you make your left-side horse get as close as possible, so that the hub will seem to be almost grazing the post--the hub of your well-made chariot wheel. But be careful not to touch the stone, or else you will get your horses hurt badly and break your chariot in pieces._ Antilokhos takes his father's advice but not at the turning-point: [XXIII 419] _Presently Antilokhos saw a narrow place where the road had sunk. The ground was broken, for the winter’s rain had gathered and had worn the road so that the whole place was deepened. Menelaos was making towards it so as to get there first, for fear of a foul, but Antilokhos turned his horses out of the way, and followed him a little on one side. The son of Atreus was afraid and shouted out, “Antilokhos, you are driving recklessly; rein in your horses; the road is too narrow here, it will be wider soon, and you can pass me then; if you foul my chariot you may bring both of us to a mischief.” But Antilokhos plied his whip, and drove faster, as though he had not heard him. They went side by side for about as far as a young man can hurl a disc from his shoulder when he is trying his strength ... "._ Stay tuned for what happens next.... :D Genghis ps. In this scene, Nestor equates [metis (wisdom, skill, craft)][1] and [kerdos (cunning, arts, wiles)][2]. It seems to me that only a person of great experience, like Nestor, would use metis, while a young person would resort to kerdos. In fact, kerdos is what Antilokhos uses. Perhaps Nestor understands this about his son? Or perhaps they really are comparable words? Not sure. I also get the impression that Antilokhos also used some [brute force \[bie\]][3] but I may be misunderstanding this word as later, Menelaos implies that he, himself, "is superior in excellence [aretē] and force [biē]". [1]: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=mh/ti&la=greek&can=mh/ti0&prior=a%29/eqla&d=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133:book=23:card=287&i=1#lexicon [2]: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=ke/rdesin&la=greek&can=ke/rdesin0&prior=i%28/ppous&d=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133:book=23:card=514&i=1#lexicon [3]: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=bi/hfi&la=greek&can=bi/hfi0&prior=h%29e%5C&d=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133:book=23:card=287&i=1#lexicon FirstChildUserIdTAG: 5002 FirstChildUserNameTAG: genghis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T07:58:25Z SecondChildTAG: Κέρδος means profit. Aman of kerdos- Eterprenör! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T14:18:59Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Ackis, I believe you are saying, "a man of _kerdos_--an entrepreneur." That's helpful, thanks. But what about in the context of this micro-narrative? At XXIII.515 (and also 322), it appears to mean "a crafy or cunning man"--and I'm guessing, crafty _like_ an entrepreneur (who can only think of profit). Do you agree? ![enter image description here][1] ![enter image description here][2] ![enter image description here][3] It's interesting that there are only [4 instances][4] of this word in _The Iliad_ and three of them are in this scroll. Does a man of _kerdos_ have _metis_ too? Nestor seems to conflate the two words. Genghis [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13650992981343634.png [2]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13650995621343612.png [3]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13650995714954419.png [4]: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/searchresults?q=ke/rdos&target=greek&doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133&expand=lemma&sort=docorder SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T18:21:15Z FirstChildTAG: I am deeply moved by the scene in which Hector, Andromache and their son meet for the last time as a family. These two wonderful young people have to say farewell to each other. And how heartbreaking is Andromache's song of lament and the way Hector takes his son for the last time in his arms and pray for him! He had to take out his helmet first. The soldier had a few minutes to become the father he really was. Hector would be a wise governor, a loving husband and a wonderful father. Wasn't this better than the Kleos of a hero? But there was a war and he had no other choice than to become a soldier and try to defend his family and his homeland. He died for them instead of living for them... When he had gone through the city and had reached the Scaean gates through which he would go out on to the plain, his wife came running towards him, [395] Andromache, daughter of great Eëtion who ruled in Thebe under the wooded slopes of wooded Mount Plakos, and was king of the Cilicians. His daughter had married Hector of the bronze helmet, and now came to meet him with a nurse who carried [400] his little child in her bosom – a mere babe. Hector’s darling son, and lovely as a star. Hector had named him Skamandrios, but the people called him Astyanax, for his father stood alone as chief guardian of Ilion. Hector smiled as he looked upon the boy, but he did not speak, [405] and Andromache stood by him weeping and taking his hand in her own. 407 What’s gotten into you [Hector] - some kind of superhuman force [daimōn]? Your own power [menos] is going to make you perish [phthi-n-ein]. You are not showing pity, 408 not thinking of your disconnected [nēpiakhos] son, and not thinking of me, deprived as I am of good fortune. I will soon become a widow, 409 your widow, since you will soon be killed by the Achaeans. [410] They will all rush at you. It would be better for me, 411 if I should lose you, to lie dead and be covered over by the earth, since there will no longer 412 be anything left to comfort me when you have met your fate. 413 I will have nothing but sorrows [akhos plural]. I have neither a father nor a queen mother now. 414 My father was killed by radiant Achilles [415] when that one destroyed the beautifully flourishing city of the Cilicians, 416 Thebe, with its lofty gates. So he [= Achilles] killed Eëtion, 417 but he did not strip him of his armor - at least he had that much decency in his heart [thūmos] - 418 and he honored him with the ritual of cremation, burning him together with his armor. 419 Then he heaped up a tomb [sēma] for him, and elm trees were generated [phuteuein] around it [420] by forest nymphs who are daughters of Zeus, holder of the aegis. 421 I had seven brothers in my father’s house, 422 but on the same day they all went down into the house of Hādēs. 423 For they were all killed by Achilles, swift of foot, the radiant one, 424 while they were guarding their ranging cattle and their bright-fleeced sheep. [425] My mother - her who had been queen of all the land under the wooded mountain Plakos - 426 he [= Achilles] brought here along with the captured treasures, 427 and freed her for the price of an untold amount of property, 428 but then, in the house of your father [= Priam], she was shot down by Artemis, shooter of arrows. 429 Oh, Hector, you who are to me a father, a queen mother, [430] a brother, and a husband in his prime - 431 please, have pity on me; stay here at the fortifications; 432 don’t make your child an orphan, and your wife a widow. As for the army of warriors, place them near the fig-tree, where the city can be best scaled, and the wall is weakest. [435] Thrice have the bravest of them come there and assailed it, under the two Ajaxes, renowned Idomeneus, the sons of Atreus, and the brave son of Tydeus, either of their own bidding, or because some soothsayer had told them.” [440] And tall Hector of the shining helmet answered, “Wife, I too have thought upon all this, but with what face should I look upon the Trojans, men or women, if I shirked battle like a coward? I cannot do so: I know nothing save [445] to fight bravely in the forefront of the Trojan army of warriors and win fame [kleos] alike for my father and myself. 447 For I know well in my thinking, in my heart, that 448 there will come a day when, once it comes, the sacred city of Ilios [= Ilion = Troy] will be destroyed 449 – and Priam, too, and along with him [will be destroyed] the people of that man with the fine ash spear, that Priam. [450] But the pain I have on my mind is not as great for the Trojans and for what will happen to them in the future, 451 or for Hecuba or for Priam the king, 452 or for my brothers if, many in number and noble as they are, 453 they will fall in the dust at the hands of men who are their enemies 454 – no, [the pain I have on my mind is not as great for them] as it is for you when I think of a moment when some Achaean man, one of those men who wear khitons of bronze, [455] takes hold of you as you weep and leads you away as his prize, depriving you of your days of freedom from slavery. 456 And you would be going to Argos, where you would be weaving [huphainein] at the loom of some other woman [and no longer at your own loom at home] 457 – and you would be carrying water for her, drawing from the spring called Messēís or the one called Hypereia. 458 Again and again you will be forced to do things against your will, and the bondage holding you down will be harsh. 459 And someone some day will look at you as you pour out your tears and will say: [460] “Hector is the man whose wife this woman used to be. He used to be the best in battle 461 – the best of all the Trojans, those horse-tamers, back in those days when they fought to defend Ilion [= Troy].” 462 That is what someone some day will say. And just hearing it will give you a new sorrow 463 as the widow of this kind of man, the kind that is able to prevent those days of slavery. 464 But, once I am dead, may earth be scattered over me and cover me. [465] before I hear your cry as they carry you into bondage.” He stretched his arms towards his child, but the boy cried and nestled in his nurse’s bosom, scared at the sight of his father’s armor, [470] and at the horse-hair plume that nodded fiercely from his helmet. His father and mother laughed to see him, but glorious Hector took the helmet from his head and laid it all gleaming upon the ground. Then he took his darling child, kissed him, and dandled him in his arms, [475] praying over him the while to Zeus and to all the gods. “Zeus,” he cried, “grant that this my child may be even as myself, chief among the Trojans; let him be not less excellent in strength, and let him rule Ilion with his might. Then may one say of him as he comes from battle, ‘The son is far better than the father.’ [480] May he bring back the bloodstained spoils of him whom he has laid low, and let his mother’s heart be glad.’” With this he laid the child again in the arms of his wife, who took him to her own soft bosom, smiling through her tears. As her husband watched her his heart yearned towards her [485] and he caressed her fondly, saying, “My own wife, do not take these things too bitterly to heart. No one can hurry me down to Hadēs before my time, but if a man’s hour is come, be he brave or be he coward, there is no escape for him when he has once been born. [490] Go, then, within the house, and busy yourself with your daily duties, your loom, your distaff, and the ordering of your servants; for war is man’s matter, and mine above all others of them that have been born in Ilion.” He took his plumed helmet from the ground, [495] and his wife went back again to her house, weeping bitterly and often looking back towards him. When she reached her home she found her maidens within, and bade them all join in her lament; FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T11:02:40Z SecondChildTAG: Euthymia, > Wasn't this better than the Kleos of a hero? As I mother, I couldn't agree more (and perhaps Salinger would too). This is part of what makes the *Iliad* so amazing to me. We can dig out details that give us wondrous insights to a world thousands of years gone, *and* we can relate these scenes, characters, emotions so intimately to our modern life. Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T15:13:44Z SecondChildTAG: I too am fond of this passage. I'd recommend a musical piece by Arthur Bliss called "Hector's Farewell to Andromache" from *Morning Heroes* which is an orchestral piece with narrator (reading Lang & Myers' translation). Bliss wrote the piece in honor of the fallen from WWI, and I always think that many of the couples who parted at train stations in Britain, France and Germany must have thought of this farewell scene. The fact that Hector and Andromache both anticipate disaster (though Hector also anticipates glory for his son, Asytanax [he prays for it, in any event]). Of course, the fates of Hector and Andromache are already fixed in the tradition, but the awareness of characters of their own doom is very eerie and remarkable. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 957489 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bdNM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T18:20:32Z SecondChildTAG: Jennifer, I am a mother too. I think all mothers agree with us. BdNM, for a moment I saw with my imagination the couples who parted at the railstations in all the countries of Europe. What a heartbreaking image! How can it be explained that mankind make again and again the same mistakes? Ate? Lust of power ? Greed? Poets don't help us a lot to find an explanation. Is Helen a good explanation for the war in Troy? This is the explanation that Homer gives us. Perhaps even Homer couldn't find a better one. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T11:20:13Z FirstChildTAG: This scene inspired K.P.Kavaphis to compose a very nice poem "The horses of Achilles" which deepens our understanding of the tragedy of the human beings . FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305671 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maxtod FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T11:11:54Z SecondChildTAG: Maxtod I searched for the poem and I found it on the net. You are right "it deepens our understanding of the tragedy of human beings." Zeus felt pity for the horses, not the men. The immortal horses felt more sympathy for the people than the immortal gods of the ancient Greek heroes. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T15:56:46Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Claudia, I am deeply touched by a lot of passages from the Iliad, but the folowing passage (scroll XVII) is, as I like to see it, the absolute expression of the divine will (and as the cop in Blade Runner said: "she will not live, but .... who does"). [200] Then he [= Zeus] moved his head and spoke to himself [= to his own thumos]: “Ah, you [= Hector] are a pitiful wretch. Your own death is not on your mind [thumos] – a death that is coming near. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300615 FirstChildUserNameTAG: alex-tsigaras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T11:07:02Z FirstChildTAG: My favorite passage in The Iliad is the one where Patroklos kills Hector's charioteer and taunts him. Here it is: * *Over him did you then vaunt, O charioteer Patroklos, saying, [745] “Bless my heart, how active he is, and how well he dives. If we had been at sea [pontos] this man would have dived from the ship’s side and brought up as many oysters as the whole crew could stomach, even in rough water, for he has dived beautifully off his chariot on to the ground. [750] It seems, then, that there are divers also among the Trojans.”** FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1421392 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Romulus1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T13:43:15Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, this one made me laugh! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lmarie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T00:58:24Z FirstChildTAG: Friends, Φίλοι, Φίλτατοι, my best passage so far( and I think forever)is Μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος οὐλομένην, ἣ μυρί᾿ Ἀχαιοῖς ἄλγε᾿ ἔθηκε, πολλὰς δ᾿ ἰφθίμους ψυχὰς Ἄϊδι προΐαψεν ἡρώων, αὐτοὺς δὲ ἑλώρια τεῦχε κύνεσσιν οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι· Διὸς δ᾿ ἐτελείετο βουλή, ἐξ οὗ δὴ τὰ πρῶτα διαστήτην ἐρίσαντε Ἀτρεΐδης τε ἄναξ ἀνδρῶν καὶ δῖος Ἀχιλλεύς. Ραψωδία Α--- Scroll I, 1st paragraph It is the fantastic introduction to this Epic Song, preparing us for the performance that shaped our culture.Drama as we know it today, theater and todays films are all based on the same principals. It paves the way , and puts us in perspective of things to come. Ιt opens a drama placing Αχιλλεύς and his deep anger(Μήνιν) as the protagonist , the Ancient Hellenic Hero to Αγαμέμνων as his rival. Heroic deeds,killings battle, tears and sorrows for the Αχαιοίς to come. All recited by the Muses (άειδε θεά) if it was a modern film , we would know directly subliminally the "what's all about" and of course it would capture our full interest, attention and participation in the process of this performance! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ackis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T14:11:42Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! i agree with you, the Iliad is very beatifull. I choose the start because is strong and captivating. " Anger [mēnis], goddess, sing it, of Achilles son of Peleus - disastrous [oulomenē] anger that made countless pains [algea] for the Achaeans, and many steadfast lives [psūkhai] it drove down to Hādēs, heroes’ lives, but their bodies it made prizes for dogs and for all birds, and the Will of Zeus was reaching its fulfillment [telos] - sing starting from the point where the two - I now see it - first had a falling out, engaging in strife [eris]..." Thanks. Mónica. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 926923 FirstChildUserNameTAG: z4 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T22:00:31Z SecondChildTAG: Totally agree !! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T14:23:06Z FirstChildTAG: they stood with their chariot stock still, [435] as a pillar set over the tomb of some dead man or woman, and bowed their heads to the ground. Hot tears fell from their eyes as they mourned the loss of their charioteer, [440] and their noble manes drooped all wet from under the yokestraps on either side the yoke. The son of Kronos saw them and took pity upon their sorrow. He wagged his head, and muttered to himself, saying, “Poor things, why did we give you to King Peleus who is a mortal, while you are yourselves ageless and immortal? To lament may be singing and crying at the same time, but these horses were lamenting.... Without words. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240573 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Pezk FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T15:47:47Z FirstChildTAG: For me, this part os scroll VI: "He stretched his arms towards his child, but the boy cried and nestled in his nurse’s bosom, scared at the sight of his father’s armor, [470] and at the horse-hair plume that nodded fiercely from his helmet. His father and mother laughed to see him, but glorious Hector took the helmet from his head and laid it all gleaming upon the ground. Then he took his darling child, kissed him, and dandled him in his arms, [475] praying over him the while to Zeus and to all the gods. “Zeus,” he cried, “grant that this my child may be even as myself, chief among the Trojans; let him be not less excellent in strength, and let him rule Ilion with his might. Then may one say of him as he comes from battle, ‘The son is far better than the father.’ [480] May he bring back the bloodstained spoils of him whom he has laid low, and let his mother’s heart be glad.’” With this he laid the child again in the arms of his wife, who took him to her own soft bosom, smiling through her tears. As her husband watched her his heart yearned towards her [485] and he caressed her fondly, saying, “My own wife, do not take these things too bitterly to heart. No one can hurry me down to Hadēs before my time, but if a man’s hour is come, be he brave or be he coward, there is no escape for him when he has once been born. [490] Go, then, within the house, and busy yourself with your daily duties, your loom, your distaff, and the ordering of your servants; for war is man’s matter, and mine above all others of them that have been born in Ilion.” He took his plumed helmet from the ground, [495] and his wife went back again to her house, weeping bitterly and often looking back towards him. When she reached her home she found her maidens within, and bade them all join in her lament;" FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305100 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ayshagawa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T21:44:35Z FirstChildTAG: My Favorite passage: it's the last line: "Thus, then, did they celebrate the funeral of Hector, tamer of horses." The last verse declaimed to the public. It's the Hector Kleos, and without Hector Achilles don't know the kleos also. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1320351 FirstChildUserNameTAG: David-Vincent FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T21:50:16Z SecondChildTAG: It's interesting that the *Iliad* begins with Achilles and ends with Hector. I especially like your point about Hector's *kleos* and its necessity to Achilles' *kleos*. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935479 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T06:04:20Z FirstChildTAG: My favorite passage up to now (apart from the magnificent laments of Andromache) is from Iliad VI,465-470: "He [Hector] stretched his arms towards his child, but the boy cried and nestled in his nurse’s bosom, scared at the sight of his father’s armor, [470] and at the horse-hair plume that nodded fiercely from his helmet." I only just noticed I'm not alone in favoring this segment. It's a tiny detail, but it speaks volumes, different ones to the Greeks than to us moderns, but what can we do? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1472748 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Palomides FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T22:18:28Z FirstChildTAG: My favorite passage to this date is when Achilles laments Patroklos after the feast (Scroll XXIII), on the seashore when waves come surging like waves of grief and he sees Patroklos in his dream. Patroklos’ spirit says “You sleep, Achilles, and have forgotten me; you loved me living, but now that I am dead you think for me no further. Bury me with all speed...” Then, Achilles reaches to embrace Patroklos, but he’s not there. Forgive me for interjecting a personal statement, but my mother died recently and I often dream of her. This passage brought me to fresh tears, confirming that one lament refreshes others. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T01:37:07Z FirstChildTAG: “Zeus,” he cried, “grant that this my child may be even as myself, chief among the Trojans; let him be not less excellent in strength, and let him rule Ilion with his might. Then may one say of him as he comes from battle, ‘The son is far better than the father.’ As a father of a nine week old son, this passage resonates with me. As Hector looks at his young son for the last time, he laments not his loss, but prays that the boy will surpass him greatness. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1509047 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TrevWilson FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T03:12:17Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Claudia, I was moved by you re-appreciation of the passage you spoke of. It seems we can never stop learning anew. I cannot go past: 'The Amazon Penthesileia, arrives, as an ally of the Trojans. She is the daughter of Arēs and Thracian by birth. In the middle of her aristeia [greatest epic moment], Achilles kills her and the Trojans arrange for her funeral. And Achilles kills Thersites, who reviled him with abusive words for conceiving a passionate love for Penthesileia, so he said.' There is so much unsaid here. I feel for both Pethesileia and Achilles if they were in love. I cannot imagine the emotions involved with the killing or the receiving of death at that moment. To me there is an epic in this love story alone. Achilles may have killed Thersites in denial of his love for Penthesileia or perhaps in repentance for losing that love. It would seem to me to be the latter, as that is how I would feel but I cannot imagine what Achilles feels at this moment. Smiles, June FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T11:13:09Z FirstChildTAG: My favourite passage also concerns the wonderful horses, when Achilles reproaches Xanthos and Balios for not bringing Patroklos back alive, before he himself takes them into battle at the end of Scroll XIX: 'Achilles mounted in full armor, resplendent as the sun-god Hyperion. Then with a loud voice he chided with his father’s horses saying, [400] “Xanthos and Balios, famed offspring of Podarge – this time when we have done fighting be sure and bring your driver safely back to the army of the Achaeans, and do not leave him dead on the plain as you did Patroklos.” Then fleet Xanthos answered under the yoke – [405] for white-armed Hera had endowed him with human speech – and he bowed his head till his mane touched the ground as it hung down from under the yoke-band. “Dread Achilles,” said he, “we will indeed save you now, but the day of your death is near, and we will not be responsible [aitioi], [410] for it will be the gods and stern fate that will destroy you. Neither was it through any sloth or slackness on our part that the Trojans stripped Patroklos of his armor; it was the mighty god whom lovely-haired Leto bore that slew him as he fought among the foremost, and granted a triumph to Hector. [415] We two can fly as swiftly as Zephyros who they say is fleetest of all winds; nevertheless it is your doom to fall by the hand of a man and of a god.” When he had thus spoken, the Furies [Erinyes] blocked his speaking any further, and fleet Achilles answered him in great sadness, saying, [420] “Why, O Xanthos, do you thus foretell my death? You need not do so, for I well know that I am to fall here, far from my dear father and mother; none the more, however, shall I stay my hand till I have given the Trojans their fill of fighting.” So saying, with a loud cry he drove his horses to the front.' The way in which the gods just drop in to talk to the heroes, egging them on to do wise or foolish acts, is one of the huge joys of the Iliad and the Odyssey. But this passage where Hera allows Achilles' horse to answer him back, confirming his own death in the near future, is just priceless! It is very beguiling to wonder what might Xanthos have gone on to say if the Erinyes hadn't blocked his saying more- could this have affected the thinking of Achilles, so as to alter the telos of the Iliad? Has there been any discussion of this in academic circles that you can point us to Claudia? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1381492 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nickg5c FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T11:58:38Z FirstChildTAG: It all about "the plain words" that the gods invest into the minds of human that returns to the hears makes the heart darkens or brighten to the fate of mankind. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 446722 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Richmond FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T12:21:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everybody! I'm Penny Tsakiridou from Athens, Greece. My favorite part of Iliad is the scene where Achilles is careless and plays music and signs. This very moment though as a first impression is pleasant in the background is tragic because the reader knows the ending in Iliad (death is on his way for Achilles). My regards, Penny Tsakiridou Athens - Greece FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1070920 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pen09 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T14:45:21Z FirstChildTAG: La Iliada es uno de los escritos que mas me a agrado, lectura reconfortante llena de emociones, es una obra en la que no vemos a los Dioses tan lejanos de los hombres, ya que los muestra con emociones y sentimientos, alegria y tristeza, esperanza de un mejor futuro. Sin lugar a dudas, hablar de la Iliada o tan solo mencionarla o escribir sobre ella, es algo que debe llenarnos de emociones encontradas.. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1411227 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HIRETO FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T15:21:05Z FirstChildTAG: A passage that conveys what it must feel like to realize that you are utterly alone...and doomed. You thought you had a slim chance. But the gods had deceived and conspired against you.Your fate has been irrevocably decided. No one to help you. No way out. "Hector was angry when he saw that the weapon had sped from his hand in vain, and stood there in dismay for he had no second spear. With a loud cry he called Deiphobos and asked him for one,but there was no man; *then he saw the truth*..." FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1128876 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Myrmidon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T13:33:19Z SecondChildTAG: "...what it must feel like to realize that you are utterly alone...and doomed...." fancy that you should say that....I am very preoccupied by the notion of loneliness but on another hero that is, Achilles. If you feel that way about Hector too, than maybe here we have a very sensitive connection of these two heroes: loneliness. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T15:21:51Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Claudia, my favourite passage is the one that Achilles mourns after he is informed about the death of his dear friend Patroklos. (Iliad, XVIII) It shows the importance of their friendship and the devotion to each other until death. “Alas,” he cried, “son of noble Peleus, I bring you bad tidings, would indeed that they were untrue. [20] Patroklos has fallen, and a fight is raging about his naked body – for Hector of the shining helmet holds his armor.” A dark cloud of grief [akhos] fell upon Achilles as he listened. He filled both hands with dust from off the ground, and poured it over his head, disfiguring his comely face, [25] and letting the refuse settle over his khiton so fair and new. He flung himself down all huge and hugely at full length, and tore his hair with his hands. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1313282 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Annamanga23 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T15:37:03Z FirstChildTAG: A passage of the Iliad that I surely like, is when Achilles asks help to his mother: *Then Achilles went all alone [350] by the side of the hoary sea [pontos], weeping and looking out upon the boundless waste of waters. He raised his hands in prayer to his immortal mother, "Mother," he cried, "you bore me doomed to live but for a little season; surely Zeus, who thunders from Olympus, might have given me honor [timē]. It is not so: he has not honored me. [355] Agamemnon, son of Atreus, has done me dishonor, and has robbed me of my prize [geras] by force." As he spoke he wept aloud, and his mother heard him where she was sitting in the depths of the sea hard by the Old One, her father.* Because here is a heroe, a killer of kings and warriors, a man that has an epic poem in his honor, a great warrior and son of a godess, and yet, when in suffering he becames like a little boy and turns to his mother, to crying and asking her for her help. I think it has some sweetness and shows the differences of the idea that the Ancient Greeg had of a heroe (usually quite human and in pain) and the contemporany idea. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1077942 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AnaRoldao1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T15:56:04Z FirstChildTAG: So far, this passage from Book IX has been my favorite > [185] The two of them reached the shelters and the ships of the > Myrmidons, 186 and they found Achilles diverting his heart [phrēn] as > he was playing on a clear-sounding lyre [phorminx], 187 a beautiful > one, of exquisite workmanship, and its cross-bar was of silver. 188 It > was part of the spoils that he had taken when he destroyed the city of > Eëtion, 189 and he was now diverting his heart [thūmos] with it as he > was singing [aeidein] the glories of men [klea andrōn]. As cheesy as it sounds, it is because it reminded me of Marceline, the vampire guitarist, from the post-apocalyptic cartoon Adventure Time. she usually sings laments while strumming her electric guitar - I dare you to not cry. --- Christopher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhR7xboU8QQ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1436440 FirstChildUserNameTAG: xcrawford FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T00:11:42Z SecondChildTAG: wow, everybody else had "serious" answers- now I feel like a jerk- lols SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1436440 SecondChildUserNameTAG: xcrawford SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T02:13:51Z SecondChildTAG: Along analogous lines, I just cannot help laughing (please forgive me) whenever I read the following passage. It's not my favourite, but it could be nominated for the most *humorous* (and so most misunderstood?) passage in the Iliad. son (Hephaistos) at dinner to his mother: > "It will be intolerable," said he, "if you two fall to wrangling and setting the gods in an uproar about a pack of mortals. If such ill counsels are to prevail, we shall not have pleasure at our banquet. Let me then advise my mother---and she must herself know that it will be better---to make friends with my dear father Zeus, lest he again scold her and disturb our feast. *[Butler I 574-579]* You know how he can shock us if he cares to--- out of our seats with lightning bolts! *[Fitzgerald, I 580]* Could this not be a snippet of a scene (more or less) from *Downton Abbey*? How exactly would the *archaic* Greeks have heard this? The context: 1. Thetis' movingly sad lament for her son (short intense scene of grief and lament) 2. Odysseus and men enjoying a sacred feast and relaxing (long scene of peaceful atmosphere, rapprochement with Apollo) 3. Thetis gains Zeus’s overarching oath (hope for Achilles?) 3. Olympians attempting to enjoy dinner on Olympus (?} We tend to hear it as humorous, but did the archaic Greeks in fact hear it rather as ominous: *a chilling disdain of the gods for human well being*, or as something else? Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:03:23Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for the link to Adventure Time! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:22:37Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for not leaving me to be the lone person to reference pop-culture and humor, Hal.--- Christopher xcrawford SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1436440 SecondChildUserNameTAG: xcrawford SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:29:17Z SecondChildTAG: I like that last bit out of Fitzgerald! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:29:58Z SecondChildTAG: haha- you are welcome, PriscillaN SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1436440 SecondChildUserNameTAG: xcrawford SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:34:58Z SecondChildTAG: You are welcome, Christopher! Yes, Jennifer, I just cannot see how Fitzgerald could have written that line without laughing! (My daughter loves Downton Abbey; we enjoy it together.) Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:43:20Z SecondChildTAG: Keep in mind Prof. Nagy's references to *Blade Runner* and *Total Recall*! You can find meaningful connections in all kinds of places, "pop" or not. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:43:26Z SecondChildTAG: I love it too - the Crawleys are a blast. This totally fits the reference. :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:44:53Z SecondChildTAG: Yes (me too, my parents watched Upstairs-Downstairs religiously), so there's a project: a typological comparison/contrast of the English *Upstairs/Downstairs* ethos and the Greek *gods/heros* ethos. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T04:27:46Z SecondChildTAG: After reading the above comments, I'm afraid the Addams Family came immediately to mind-no idea why! Will now have to think about a meaningful connection. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T07:50:40Z SecondChildTAG: I would also like to add a cross-cultural piece, a tale of Hoichi the earless, a blind boy with talent for Biwa( a traditional Japanese instrument) and an epoch story-chanting (or singing). He is sort of like a Japanese version of Homer. The story is in the movie Kwaidan(1964), and is based on a book written by Lafcadio Hearn. The tale starts about 3 minutes into the part 4.’ When I read the passage about Achilles and his lyre, with Patroklos as his only audience, I somehow thought of this movie, the tale of Hoichi in particular. http://www.gooddrama.net/japanese-movie/kwaidan-1965/1-4 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T10:27:35Z SecondChildTAG: Sorry, I meant "epic". not "epoch" SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T11:05:13Z SecondChildTAG: thanks, kaoru SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1436440 SecondChildUserNameTAG: xcrawford SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T16:37:15Z SecondChildTAG: Prof Nagy has a great feel for the best parts of Blade Runner. I'm looking forward to his next selections. With this course, it would be hard not to include the scene where Roy confronts Tyrell in his skyscraper: "We built you as well as we could." "But not to last." SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897389 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Bronstein7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T02:09:16Z SecondChildTAG: Friends, Φίλοι,Φίλτατοι, Don't forget that the British upper classes were and are well educated in classics.Homers Iliad and Odyssey is a must in their education and the learned values are of importance in their upbringing hence the status of a gentleman /woman. That is how we associate with f.ex. Upstairs & Downstairs, Down town Abbey etc. And let us not forget that in the Western modern science ,literature , drama (Theater, films), arts , music, culture and many other expressions of culture have as basis the ancient Hellenic classical originals , language knowledge and traditions. So obviously we tend to see samples of it in todays media. Cheers ! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T14:51:51Z SecondChildTAG: And of course I should mention the fact that with Alexander the Great the Hellenic culture reached most of the Asia, Africa and other far reaches as travelers, sailors and merchants brought the Hellenic culture , knowledge and traditions as far as you can imagine, search and you will find traces! Much was destroyed but some remained!Hence the Iliad in Venice after the fall of Constantinople was saved by learned clerics from Byzantium from the menace of ignorance ! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T15:22:20Z SecondChildTAG: Kaoru-san. [Great link][1]! Doumo! For the others, the exact spot is at 3:42 in part 4. The segment is entitled, _Mimi-nashi Hoichi no Hanashi_ or "The Tale of Hoichi, the Earless." The blind singer, Hoichi, sings the Japanese epic, The Take of the Heike, which is about the war between the Genji and Heike clans. Part 4 * 3:42 - Tale starts (we hear Hoichi and sometimes a narrator for the film who is different) * 7:07 - Notonokami Noritsune (like Hektor?) * 11:38 - Lady Nii (like Andromache? ... but handles her dilemma Japanese-style) * 18:30 - We see Hoichi actually playing the biwa Some background: http://louromano.blogspot.com/2011/03/kwaidan.html _Mimi-nashi Hoichi, or Hoichi the Earless is one of some 20 ghost stories and strange tales from ancient Japan. Originally published in 1904, Kwaidan was the culminating life work of Lafcadio Hearn (1850-1904) a writer of Greek/Irish descent who devoted the last 14 years of his life to living and working in Japan, writing books about the culture and translating into English the Kwaidan tales. These tales also inspired the Japanese film of the same name: Kwaidan (1965)_ [This part of the film starts at 18:40. But we actually hear this tale at 3:42.] _Hoichi the Earless is the tale of a talented, blind musician who lives with Buddhist priests. One night he's escorted from the temple to give a command performance to a private audience. Hoichi is unaware that he's been escorted to a cemetery and that his performance is for the dead warriors and courtiers of an ancient clan killed in battle._ Genghis [1]: http://www.gooddrama.net/japanese-movie/kwaidan-1965/1-4 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T15:57:42Z SecondChildTAG: I meant to add a screenshot: ![enter image description here][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13650914571343635.gif SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T16:04:41Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Genghis I am very happy to hear you enjoyed the link, and thank you for the nice feedback. I agree with you about Notonokami Noritsune (like Hektor?)and Lady Nii (like Andromache?). Lady Nii holds in her arms a young Emperor Antoku, the same way Andromache held her son. At the final scene of the battle, Hoichi sings the song of her lament. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T07:42:57Z SecondChildTAG: By the way, the tale of Heike starts with the following passage. It might be interesting to compare this with the opening passage of the Iliad. The sound of the Gion Shōja bells echoes the impermanence of all things; the color of the sāla flowers reveals the truth that the prosperous must decline. The proud do not endure, they are like a dream on a spring night; the mighty fall at last, they are as dust before the wind. -- Chapter 1.1, Helen Craig McCullough's translation SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T07:45:01Z FirstChildTAG: I loved the scene between Glaukos and Diomedes in Scroll VI. (I actually laughed over the Narrator's commentary on what an incredibly poor deal Glaukos made over his armor!) But here's the passage that's my favorite so far: > [145] “High-hearted son of Tydeus, why ask me of my lineage? Men come and go as leaves year by year upon the trees. Those of autumn the wind sheds upon the ground, but when spring [hōra] returns the forest buds forth with fresh vines. Even so is it with the generations of humankind, the new spring up as the old are passing away. > I found this bittersweet--a generation of men carried away by time balanced by the hope of of generations yet to come. To everything there is a season. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1041087 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Turrean FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:27:30Z SecondChildTAG: I liked this scene too!I found the enchange of their armour very tender!The 2 enemies due to the xenia of their grandparents decide not to kill each other!A noble gesture in contrast to the battle's brutality! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1230942 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Maroulou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T19:15:52Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Claudia! I love this passage, where the two warriors won't fight each other until they learn who the other is, nd the one gets the cheap armour in exchange for the expensive in his trade: [205] his daughter was killed by Artemis of the golden reins, for she was angered with her; but Hippolokhos was father to myself, and when he sent me to Troy he urged me again and again to fight ever among the foremost and outcompete my peers, so as not to shame the blood of my fathers [210] who were the noblest in Ephyra and in all Lycia. This, then, is the descent I claim.” Thus did he speak, and the heart of Diomedes of the great war cry was glad. He planted his spear in the ground, and spoke to him with friendly words. [215] “Then,” he said, “you are an old friend of my father’s house. Great Oineus once entertained Bellerophon the blameless for twenty days, and the two exchanged presents. Oineus gave a belt rich with purple, [220] and Bellerophon a double cup, which I left at home when I set out for Troy. I do not remember Tydeus, for he was taken from us while I was yet a child, when the army of the Achaeans was cut to pieces before Thebes. Henceforth, however, I must be your host in middle Argos, [225] and you mine in Lycia, if I should ever go to that locale [dēmos]; let us avoid one another’s spears even during a general engagement; there are many noble Trojans and allies whom I can kill, if I overtake them and the gods deliver them into my hand; so again with yourself, there are many Achaeans whose lives you may take if you can; [230] we two, then, will exchange armor, that all present may know of the old ties that subsist between us.” With these words they sprang from their chariots, grasped one another’s hands, and plighted friendship. But Zeus the son of Kronos made Glaukos take leave of his wits, [235] for he exchanged golden armor for bronze, the worth of a hundred head of cattle for the worth of nine FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220308 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KSCooper FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T20:33:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Claudia, what a great question! It is absolutely fascinating and amazing to read other peoples' favorites, and comments. This is my first online course, and what a treat! So far, my favorites are the passage about the horses--such sensitivity in the midst of horrific battle, and Andromache's lament, which is portrayed so vividly. I can see her as a painting, or in a Rosselini film with Anna Magnani. Denny FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1382376 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elenhill FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T21:15:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everybody, Well, for me, Achilles's blond hair had me thinking ! (and the astonishing fact that there is only one mention of it). His blond hair must have distinguish him among other warriors... And I asked myself too, we know that Achilles sings and plays the lyre, so how were his hands on the lyre, big and strong with fingers like sausages, due to his training as a warrior and athlete, and maybe touching the strings delicately was a difficult task for him, or long and nervous, with long fingers ? And how was his voice ? I bet a soft baritone, or a bass-baritone... Laura FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1424824 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LauraFischer FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T07:05:17Z FirstChildTAG: Although I have read the Iliad before (with a lot less concentrated effort however), I can't say that I have a favorite passage, at least not yet. Perhaps I will find one as our effort progresses, but nothing so far has flipped my switch so to speak. Most of what I've read in my substantial lifetime has provided at least an apothegm or two that now I can only paraphrase, not being possessed of anything even approximating an eidetic memory. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 145656 FirstChildUserNameTAG: desertbob FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T16:52:12Z FirstChildTAG: The scenes of battle are memorable. They may be a bit disjointed for me because of the constant shift or focus to the character's background but it's that sense of instability or cohesion in the telling that adds to the chaos of the batt.e FirstChildUserIdTAG: 976041 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jobert FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T17:08:51Z FirstChildTAG: The best part to me of the Iliad is when Achilles answers to Phoenix and the others two,Ajax and Odysseus: [385] he may offer me gifts as many as the sands of the sea or the dust of the plain in multitude. But even so he shall not move me till I have been revenged in full for the bitter wrong he has done me. I will not marry his daughter; she may be fair as Aphrodite, [390] and skillful as owl-vision Athena, but I will have none of her: let another take her, who may be a good match for her and who rules a larger kingdom. If the gods spare me to return home, Peleus will find me a wife; [395] there are Achaean women in Hellas and Phthia, daughters of kings that have cities under them; of these I can take whom I will and marry her. Many a time was I minded when at home in Phthia to woo and wed a woman who would make me a suitable wife, [400] and to enjoy the riches of my old father Peleus. 401 My life [psūkhē] is worth more to me than all the wealth 402 that was once possessed, so they say, by that well-situated citadel of Ilion, 403 back when it was still at peace, before the coming of the Achaeans, 404 or than all the treasure that is stored inside when you enter the stone threshold of the one who shoots, [405] Phoebus Apollo, at rocky Pytho [= Delphi]. 406 Cattle and sheep can be rustled in a raid, 407 and one can acquire both tripods and horses with their golden manes if he wants them, 408 but a man’s life [psūkhē] can never come back - it cannot be rustled in a raid 409and thus taken back - once it has passed through the barriers of his teeth. [410] My mother Thetis, goddess with silver steps, tells me that 411 I carry the burden of two different fated ways [kēres] leading to the final moment [telos] of death. 412 If I stay here and fight at the walls of the city of the Trojans, then my safe homecoming [nostos] will be destroyed for me, but I will have a glory [kleos] that is imperishable [aphthiton]. 414 Whereas if I go back home, returning to the dear land of my forefathers, [415] then it is my glory [kleos], genuine [esthlon] as it is, that will be destroyed for me, but my life force [aiōn] will then 416 last me a long time, and the final moment [telos] of death will not be swift in catching up with me. To the rest of you, then, I say, ‘Go home, for you will not take Ilion.’ Zeus of the wide brows [420] has held his hand over her to protect her, and her people have taken heart. Go, therefore, as in duty bound, and tell the princes of the Achaeans the message that I have sent them; tell them to find some other plan for the saving of their ships and people, [425] for so long as my displeasure lasts the plan that they have now hit upon may not be. As for Phoenix, let him sleep here that he may sail with me in the morning if he so will. But I will not take him by force.” FirstChildUserIdTAG: 967254 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sanchez04 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T20:00:24Z FirstChildTAG: One of the more interesting part of Iliad is the "cities and ships directory" at Scroll II, 490-760: *[490]and though my voice failed not and my heart were of bronze within me, unless you, O Olympian Muses, daughters of aegis-bearing Zeus, were to recount them to me. Nevertheless, I will tell the captains of the ships and all the fleet together...* It is very important that here we have a complete list of all Achaeans cities, kings and warriors that participated in Trojan War. Homer is giving us important information that helped archeologists to discover lost cities and τοbring again in life the lost Achaean World. Homer also is giving us the number of the ships (1.186!), that Agamemnon had 100 ships full of Mycenaean army and he was so rich and strong that gave another 60 ships for the tranfer of Arcadians that they had no ships: *[575] and all the coast-land round about Helike; these sent a hundred ships under the command of powerful King Agamemnon, son of Atreus. His force was far both finest and most numerous, and in their midst was the king himself, all glorious in his armor of gleaming bronze – foremost among the heroes, [580] for he was the greatest king, and had most men under him. And those that dwelt in Lacedaemon, lying low among the hills, Pharis, Sparta, with Messe the haunt of doves; Bryseai, lovely Augeiai, Amyklai, and Helos upon the sea;* .... *[605] the men of Pheneus also, and Orkhomenos rich in flocks; of Rhipai, Stratie, and bleak Enispe; of Tegea and fair Mantinea; of Stymphelos and Parrhasia; of these powerful King Agapenor son of Ankaios was commander, [610] and they had sixty ships. Many Arcadians, good warriors, came in each one of them, but Agamemnon found them the ships in which to cross the sea [pontos], for they were not a people that occupied their business upon the waters.* FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1268721 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sotosb FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T20:56:57Z FirstChildTAG: The scene between Priam and Achilles in XXIV is my favourite because it seems so touchingly human that after all the anger and pride these two enemies seem to share so much: > Then both were overborne as they remembered: > the old king huddled at Achilles' feet > wept, and wept for Hector, killer of men, > while great Achilles wept for his own father > as for Patrocles once again; and sobbing > filled the room. > (Fitzgerald, about 24.20) and then after they have shared a meal together > When thirst and appetite were turned away, > Priam, the heir of Dardanos, gazed long > in wonder at Achilles form and scale--- > so like the gods in aspect. And Achilles > in his turn gazed in wonder upon Priam, > royal in visage as in speech. Both men > in contemplation found rest for their eyes, > (Fitzgerald, about 24.40) Hal R FirstChildUserIdTAG: 475967 FirstChildUserNameTAG: hriggs FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T21:48:40Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Hal, The pain of both Priam and Achilles is so tangible. It makes me think of the stages of mourning that people go through even today. Previously we have seen immediate sorrow, Achilles drops to the ground and covers himself in dirt. Anger, pushing everyone away, Achilles refuses to eat, has only revenge on his mind. And then in your passages, perhaps acceptance, Achilles recognizes his own pain in Priam, and can share his grief completely with another. Jenna SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T01:37:44Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Jenna, Yes, that last sentence > Both men in contemplation found rest for their eyes is remarkable. They regain their sense of self only by really seeing their enemy. PS I have said this elsewhere, but spontaneous post reordering seems to be in play. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T02:57:08Z SecondChildTAG: I think that it is very telling that they do have so much in common. They share the same language and gods. They are at home with the same food and customs. Eleni has helped me understand how closely related in culture and tradition the two sides were. She noted that Homer points out that there were language differences among the Trojan allies but no distinction is made between the language of the Achaeans and the Trojans. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T16:14:18Z SecondChildTAG: I think it was at this point that Achilles truly and finally became "The Best of the Achaeans". SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935479 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T01:11:57Z FirstChildTAG: The passage that I like most from the Iliad is the following because it describes the pain that Andromache feels, when Hector is dead, in a way that is so heartbreaking that makes you also feel the same. She [= Andromache] rushed out of the palace, same as a maenad [mainas], with heart throbbing. And her attending women went with her. But when she reached the tower and the crowd of warriors, she stood on the wall, looking around, and then she noticed him. There he was, being dragged right in front of the city. The swift chariot team of horses was dragging him, far from her caring thoughts, back toward the hollow ships of the Achaeans. Over her eyes a dark night spread its cover, and she fell backward, gasping out her life's breath [psūkhē]. She threw far from her head the splendid adornments that bound her hair - her frontlet [ampux], her snood [kekruphalos], her plaited headband [anadesmē], and, to top it all, the headdress [krēdemnon] that had been given to her by golden Aphrodite on that day when Hector, the one with the waving plume on his helmet, took her by the hand and led her out from the palace of Eëtion, and he gave countless courtship presents. Crowding around her stood her husband's sisters and his brothers' wives, and they were holding her up. She was barely breathing, to the point of dying. But when she recovered her breathing and her life's breath gathered in her heart, she started to sing a lament in the midst of the Trojan women. Iliad XXII 460-476 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1151803 FirstChildUserNameTAG: konstantinakiari FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T14:39:48Z SecondChildTAG: i totally agree with the colleague above....The pain of Andromache fits either to this ancient drama, or to a contemporary situation that describes war damages, crimes, killings and loses of beloved people. Have you ever wonder whats on humans mind when they lose or its about to happen a fact like this, a beloved person, a relative a husband or a wife? Think about it. The passage describes in a perfect way the emotions that have someone when he is about to lose a very close person.... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1371431 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mvsp SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T16:43:07Z SecondChildTAG: I agree, too. Emotions when somebody loses a beloved person have always been so intense that they can move anybody and make anybody sympathise. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T20:08:27Z SecondChildTAG: Spoken as a lady, Konstantina mou ! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T14:53:16Z SecondChildTAG: First, Claudia, what a great question. It's interesting to read others' favorites. Mine, so far in the reading, are the horses--such sensitivity in the midst of horrific warfare is amazing!--and Andromache's lament; it is portrayed so vividly, I see her as a painting, or in a Rossellini film with Anna Magnani. Denny SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1382376 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elenhill SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T20:00:17Z SecondChildTAG: I absolutely agree with you Konstantina. I could also add two of my favourite scenes/passages from the Iliad (rhapsody Z - translation by D. Maronitis) «ἦ καὶ ἐμοὶ τάδε πάντα μέλει, γύναι• ἀλλὰ μάλ᾽ αἰνῶς αἰδέομαι Τρῶας καὶ Τρῳάδας ἑλκεσιπέπλους, αἴ κε κακὸς ὣς νόσφιν ἀλυσκάζω πολέμοιο• οὐδέ με θυμὸς ἄνωγεν, ἐπεὶ μάθον ἔμμεναι ἐσθλὸς 445 αἰεὶ καὶ πρώτοισι μετὰ Τρώεσσι μάχεσθαι, ἀρνύμενος πατρός τε μέγα κλέος ἠδ᾽ ἐμὸν αὐτοῦ. «Όλα που λες, γυναίκα, είναι και μέλημα δικό μου• κι όμως αισχύνομαι τους Τρώες, τις Τρωάδες με τον μακρόσυρτό τους πέπλο, αν είναι να φανώ δειλός, για ν᾽ αποφύγω τον κίνδυνο της μάχης. Αλλά κι η ίδια μου η καρδιά το θέλει, έτσι που έμαθα να δείχνομαι γενναίος, και πάντα πρώτος με τους Τρώες445 να μάχομαι, να υπερασπίζομαι το κλέος του πατέρα μου, και το δικό μου κλέος. ἂψ δ᾽ ὁ πάϊς πρὸς κόλπον ἐϋζώνοιο τιθήνης ἐκλίνθη ἰάχων, πατρὸς φίλου ὄψιν ἀτυχθείς, ταρβήσας χαλκόν τε ἰδὲ λόφον ἱππιοχαίτην, 470 δεινὸν ἀπ᾽ ἀκροτάτης κόρυθος νεύοντα νοήσας. ἐκ δὲ γέλασσε πατήρ τε φίλος καὶ πότνια μήτηρ• αὐτίκ᾽ ἀπὸ κρατὸς κόρυθ᾽ εἵλετο φαίδιμος Ἕκτωρ, καὶ τὴν μὲν κατέθηκεν ἐπὶ χθονὶ παμφανόωσαν• αὐτὰρ ὅ γ᾽ ὃν φίλον υἱὸν ἐπεὶ κύσε πῆλέ τε χερσίν, 475 εἶπε δ᾽ ἐπευξάμενος Διί τ᾽ ἄλλοισίν τε θεοῖσι• Έτσι μιλώντας ο γενναίος Έκτωρ το χέρι του άπλωσε να πάρει το παιδί, μα το παιδί τραβήχτηκε στον κόλπο της καλλίζωνής του βάγιας, τσιρίζοντας, γιατί φοβήθηκε την όψη του πατέρα του - το τρόμαξε ο χαλκός, η αλογίσια φούντα, που φοβερή την είδε να σαλεύει στην κορυφή του κράνους.470 Γέλασε τότε ο πατέρας του, γέλασε κι η σεμνή του μάνα, κι ευθύς από την κεφαλή του βγάζει την περικεφαλαία ο γενναίος Έκτωρ, την άφησε κάτω στη γη, κι αυτή λαμποκοπούσε. Ύστερα σήκωσε στα χέρια του τον γιο του, τον φίλησε, τον χόρεψε, και τέλος ύψωσε στον Δία και στους ολύμπιους θεούς ευχή... In those two scenes, I think that Hector's character, ethics, education, attitude, his heroic final choice are fully described in the most vibrant and synoptic way. Perhaps I read inside the text in those scenes,ie they match my modern criteria of how a hero should be (husband, father, leader, son and so on)but I feel that the Master Narrator has proved to be modern and he has overpassed his time through these (and many other) scenes. I believe that this particular ability makes him a classic. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331092 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stiliani SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T05:32:02Z SecondChildTAG: The passage with the horses of Achilles is particularly affecting, the proof being that no less a being than Zeus is touched to consider the poor creatures and then address "his own deep heart" (Fagles trans. Bk 17: 510 etc) His conclusion? "There is nothing alive more agonized than man/Of all that breathe and crawl across the earth". Zeus vows that Hector will never get the weeping horses. "I will never permit it". Armour yes, live horses no. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 962588 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mfinn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T15:12:59Z SecondChildTAG: Lattimore writes Zeus thinking ".... there is not anywhere a thing more dismal than man is." And Zeus shows empathy for the horses. Amazing. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T00:37:03Z FirstChildTAG: As overwhelmed as I am by the gory details of war and death related in horrid specificity, there are many striking passages in the Iliad, of rosy-fingered dawn or spreading gold of sunrise, or the magnificent detail of design and artistry of Achilles God-made new armor. But one which startled me by its sheer simplicity occurs in scroll 24; Priam has ordered his wagon be prepared for loading and departure for Achilles's camp to ransom Hector's body: "They took the mule-yoke from the peg on which it hung, a yoke of boxwood with a knob on the top of it and rings for the reins to go through. [270] Then they brought a yoke-band eleven cubits long, to bind the yoke to the pole; they bound it on at the far end of the pole, and put the ring over the upright pin making it fast with three turns of the band on either side the knob, and bending the thong of the yoke beneath it." Simple, after so much lush gore, but appealing. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T03:45:12Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Claudia, thank you for the interesting and thought provoking discussion questions. Since this is my first time reading the Iliad, I am choosing a passage that stands out for me right now but may not be my favorite as yet: The Trojans and strong-greaved Achaeans were struck with awe as they beheld, and one would turn to his neighbor, saying, “Either we shall again have war and din of combat, or Zeus the lord of battle will now make peace between us.” This seems so relevant to the times we live through when war or peace are so tenable. Thanks for guiding us along, Karen FirstChildUserIdTAG: 956149 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kcabel11 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T05:27:47Z FirstChildTAG: I will write about my favorite scenes from memory, since they are further down our reading and I haven't caught up with them yet (I will update/elaborate when I do catch up). These are the scenes that have stood the test of time, since I last read the Iliad: The shield of Achilles (in Book/Scroll 23), for the immense description of a universe, the world that springs out of it, with its nature, gods and values, all crystalized in one deeply symbolical object, the hero's shield. I find it incredibly poetic and, at the same time, so condensed in this brilliant narrative device. Andromache, Astyanax and Hector-their farewell. Just heart-wrenching. The scenes where the shared humanity rises above the fury of war and its blind rage: namely Hector and Achilles, as well as Priam and Achilles. I will update as I go, since this is a very good exercise to sum up basic points and key concepts of great resonance! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1251553 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Annahou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T09:42:38Z FirstChildTAG: Even though we haven't read this part of the Iliad yet, my favorite passage has to be this portion of Priam's request of Hector's body from Achilles. *Think on your own father and have compassion upon me, who am the more Pitiable, for I have steeled myself as no man has ever yet steeled himself before me, and have raised my lips to the hand of him who slew my son.* FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1341972 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DNShaw FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T16:57:48Z FirstChildTAG: Every time I read the Iliad and the Odyssey I can’t help but be amazed by the master Narrator’s artistry in creating so strong images that he can actually make you visualize what he is narrating as if you are watching the best –technically- 3D movie and eventually draw you into the lives of the protagonists and the plot and eventually make you part of them; apart from that his artistry extends to the depiction of the psychological make-up of each character in an amazing way and relevance to the plot of each epic. One of my favourite passages is the one that is describing the reaction of Achilles’ horses after the death of Patroklos. We had seen the excellence of Patroklos in fight –his swan song- and the poetic device that was used in order to praise his bravery was to have him killed by Apollo (only a god could overpower him) in a dishonest way. (The gods in the epics are intrusive.) So, after the death of such a brave and excellent warrior, it is really heartbreaking to “see” the horses of Patroklos (that were given to him by Achilles as was his armor) stand out of the fight, stand still no matter how much Automedon lashes them. If it were a film scene we would see the dead of Patroklos on the ground while fierce fights are held around him and his horses standing still and weeping, as if the time had frozen, paying respect to the hero and signalling the place where he fell like tombstones. The horse was from the antiquity the loyal comrade of the human and his inseparable companion both in life (especially in war) and in death (in several excavations horses even with chariots have been found accompanying the dead –in some cases even women-) thus the master Narrator chooses them to express in a very emotional way both the respect of the fellow comrade and his anti-war feelings. This scene brought to mind the Chariot Allegory of Plato. According to Plato the human soul is like a charioteer with a chariot that is pulled by two winged horses. The charioteer (logic) gives us the ability to account for and to judge (its virtue is wisdom). One of the horses is what arms us with courage to overcome obstacles and to do what is required by logic (virtue is the spirited bravery) and the other one is what makes us have desires (for food, reproduction etc) and passions (virtue is prudence). But what happens when the charioteer can’t control his two powerful horses? Patroklos, didn’t listen to Achilles’ advice not to go beyond a certain point, overjoyed as he was from his excellence in war. It seems like the “horses” in the allegory of Plato -that is Patroklos’ passion for kleos and luck of prudence- drove him off course and he lost his logic. According to Plato, the confinement of the immortal soul in a body is equivalent to imprisonment in a tomb. Plato compares the body with a σήμα (tomb). And the horses are exactly doing that in terms of the allegory: signaling the spot where his body lies (his soul being freed from the imprisonment of such a tomb). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1402699 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Archaeo100 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T12:43:32Z SecondChildTAG: > Every time I read the Iliad and the Odyssey I can’t help but be amazed > by the master Narrator’s artistry in creating so strong images that he > can actually make you visualize what he is narrating as if you are > watching the best –technically- 3D movie and eventually draw you into > the lives of the protagonists and the plot and eventually make you > part of them; Same here. Every line, every scenery, becomes so vivid in my mind, as I am there in the field watching the whole battle with my own eyes. No wonder even after 3000 years we do not stop feeling an awe reading Homer's works. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 392391 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EZ SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T17:28:03Z SecondChildTAG: I wanted to quote your comment but somehow everything got quoted. Too late, can't edit it now. Would be better if we can edit the comments made under other people comments. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 392391 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EZ SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T17:32:14Z SecondChildTAG: You quoted my comment and yours as one. No problem. I agree with you! And what better way even for someone who aspires to become a good author or poet than to "read" the Iliad and the Odyssey? They have everything he would ever wish to learn at a school and even more. Each time we read them, they have something new to offer! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1402699 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Archaeo100 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T18:06:19Z FirstChildTAG: > The raging chief in chase of Venus flies: > > No goddess she, commission’d to the field, > > Like Pallas dreadful with her sable shield, > > Or fierce Bellona thundering at the wall, > > While flames ascend, and mighty ruins fall; > > He knew soft combats suit the tender dame, > > New to the field, and still a foe to fame. > > Through breaking ranks his furious course he bends, > > And at the goddess his broad lance extends; > > Through her bright veil the daring weapon drove, > > The ambrosial veil which all the Graces wove; > > Her snowy hand the razing steel profaned, > > And the transparent skin with crimson stain’d, > > From the clear vein a stream immortal flow’d, > > Such stream as issues from a wounded god; > > Pure emanation! uncorrupted flood! > > Unlike our gross, diseased, terrestrial blood: > > (For not the bread of man their life sustains, > > Nor wine’s inflaming juice supplies their veins:) > > With tender shrieks the goddess fill’d the place, > > And dropp’d her offspring from her weak embrace. > > Him Phoebus took: he casts a cloud around > > The fainting chief, and wards the mortal wound. > > Then with a voice that shook the vaulted skies, > > The king insults the goddess as she flies: > > “Ill with Jove’s daughter bloody fights agree, > > The field of combat is no scene for thee: > > Go, let thy own soft sex employ thy care, > > Go, lull the coward, or delude the fair. > > Taught by this stroke renounce the war’s alarms, > > And learn to tremble at the name of arms.” > > Tydides thus. The goddess, seized with dread, > > Confused, distracted, from the conflict fled. > > To aid her, swift the winged Iris flew, > > Wrapt in a mist above the warring crew. > > The queen of love with faded charms she found. > > Pale was her cheek, and livid look’d the wound. I have quoted here a passage from Book V, from A.Pope, ( I like Pope's translation, even though it's not literally, it's still powerful). After Achilles, Diomedes is my next favorite hero. He is the one who dares to fight against gods, the only one staying put in front of hordes of enemies when all the others, even Odysseus flied away. Even Hector would have perished from him, if not for the intervene from Zeus himself. However, I love how Heroes are made equal to gods, even though in a small scale. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 392391 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EZ FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T17:21:28Z FirstChildTAG: It is difficult to choose a passage since Iliad is full of beautiful scenes. As far as I'm concerned one of my favourite scenes is when Achilles is informed about the death of Patroklos - his best friend by Antilokhos. As he is sitting alone and he has a bad feeling, Antilokhos comes and tells him the bad news and his words make true the bad feeling. The pain of Achilles is intolerable and his mother hears him and come by his side with her sisters. The description of Achilles' reaction as he hears the news is remarkable: *” A dark cloud of grief [akhos] fell upon Achilles as he listened. He filled both hands with dust from off the ground, and poured it over his head, disfiguring his comely face, and letting the refuse settle over his khiton so fair and new. He flung himself down all huge and hugely at full length, and tore his hair with his hands. The bondswomen whom Achilles and Patroklos had taken captive wailed aloud for grief, beating their breasts, and with their limbs failing them for sorrow. Antilokhos bent over him the while, weeping and holding both his hands as he lay groaning for he feared that he might plunge a knife into his own throat. Then valiant Achilles gave a loud cry and his mother heard him as she was sitting in the depths of the sea by the old man her father, whereon she wailed, and all the goddesses daughters of Nereus that dwelt at the bottom of the sea, came gathering round her.* FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1458072 FirstChildUserNameTAG: andy_far FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T17:27:01Z FirstChildTAG: There are many beautiful passages. The passage which so far has struck me the most deeply - and it is not beautiful - is the following: “Mother, the god has given me armor, meet handiwork for an immortal and such as no living could have fashioned; I will now arm, [25] but I much fear that flies will settle upon the son of Menoitios and breed worms about his wounds, so that his body, now he is dead, will be disfigured and the flesh will rot.” Silver-footed Thetis answered, “My son, be not disquieted about this matter. [30] I will find means to protect him from the swarms of noisome flies that prey on the bodies of men who have been killed in battle. He may lie for a whole year, and his flesh shall still be as sound as ever, or even sounder. The startling appearance of mundane practical concerns for flies in Patroklos' wounds coming on the heels of pages waxing lyrical over the gods and the divinely gorgeous new armor crafted especially for Achilles is a bucket of cold water thrown on the spectator to ram home (once more) the gruesome realities of war. It's a shocker. It sticks with me: this is REAL. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T18:53:08Z SecondChildTAG: I agree, Sunny! In fact, I keep finding this whole epos a lament not only on death and our mortality, but also a constant affirmation of the horrors of war. It makes it all so real and relevant, quite apart from other literary and cultural aonsiderations. Cheers, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T11:12:50Z FirstChildTAG: It's hard for me to point to just one passage, there are so many so far. I am enjoying rereading the Iliad and getting so much more out of it than I did when I studied classical Greek in High School (about 4 decades ago!). Thanks for such an inspiring and rewarding experience. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1375995 FirstChildUserNameTAG: antoniosanz FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T19:28:54Z FirstChildTAG: > 507 Thus he [= Priam] spoke, and he stirred up in him [= Achilles] a longing to cry in lament [goos] for his own father. 508 He touched the old man’s hand and moved him gently away. 509 And they both remembered. One of them remembered Hector the man-killer [510] and cried for him, shedding tears thick and fast as he lay near the feet of Achilles. 511 As for Achilles, he was crying for his own father at one moment, and then, at the very next moment, 512 he would be crying for Patroklos. And the sounds of lament rose up all over the dwelling Priam laments his dead son. Achilles laments his father who will be suffering soon like Priam for the death of Achilles, and his dead but avenged friend Patroklos. In war noboby can be the true winner. Each side looses their best element: their youth, the promise for a better and prosperous future. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282021 FirstChildUserNameTAG: samkon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T21:11:28Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Claudia, What is your favorite color? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1371764 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Remstal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T00:45:52Z FirstChildTAG: I have two favorite passages.Since I am disabled and barely typing I will not be typing them out for you. The first is at the very beginning when Khryses is trying to get his daughter back. I understand his anger. I watched as someone tried to kill my at the time 21 year old daughter. Now she is fine, but I quit work and stayed by her hospital bed for months and many surgeries. I understand anger. the other is Iliad XIX 282-302 when Briseis and the woman were singing their not just for the fallen hero but for their personal sorrows. I went to the funeral of a friends dad. I did not know his dad and my mind wandered to other funerals. Next thing I know the minister is talking about how a funerals is a time to remember other funeral we have been to. Made the women's lamenting make sense. Growing up in a small town we were at funerals all the time. If it was not someone you knew then you were pulled out of class to sing at them.Zillions of funerals to reflect back on. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T02:51:45Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Claudia, I was in awe to read that you have found a new way to read the passage you quote after twenty years. I have been deeply moved by the plot of the passage that describes the moment of love between Penthesileia and Achilles, as the moment of death for Penthesileia at Achilles hands. This is an extraordinary realisation for each of them at that moment. Kind regards, June FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T10:14:11Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I'm slightly off topic here but hopefully you find this of interest. I really enjoyed the passage about the reaction of the horses. After re-reading it I couldn't help thinking about a passage from Martin Chuzzlewit, where they have quite a different response to the demise of their master - "*Mr Mould and his men had not exaggerated the grandeur of the arrangements. They were splendid. The four hearse-horses, especially, reared and pranced, and showed their highest action, as if they knew a man was dead, and triumphed in it. 'They break us, drive us, ride us; ill-treat, abuse, and maim us for their pleasure—But they die; Hurrah, they die!'*" (Chapter 19) I suppose it is a typological comparison, although I don't really feel qualified to make one. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 956591 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hironimusbosch FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T23:03:44Z FirstChildTAG: Maybe I'm not yet reading deeply or slowly enough, or have not gotten far enough but I have yet to find a favourite passage, as I, perhaps mistakenly, was expecting heroic people doing heroic deeds, but discovering "heroes" behaving without heroism, living down to their worst impulses. Maybe it is just me reading into the text, but I am a product of my hopes, aspirations, & dreams about what a hero should be, for he or she to be called a hero. If anyone can point out examples of heroism, I would gladly appreciate it. To quote Yoda, "Wars not make one great." FirstChildUserIdTAG: 936089 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DMannIT FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T22:04:30Z SecondChildTAG: What would you consider heroic deeds? What do you consider the worst impulses of mankind? It is difficult to respond without knowing what your definitions are. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T22:46:51Z SecondChildTAG: Superman: "I can only tell you what I believe, Diana. humankind has to be allowed to climb to its own destiny. We can't carry them there." Flash: "But that's what she's saying. What's the point? Why should they need us at all?" Superman: "To catch them if they fall." -JLA #4 Superman:"Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us. And on my soul, I swear...until my dream of a world where dignity, honor and justice becomes the reality we all share--I'll never stop fighting. Ever." - Action Comics #775 (2001) "What's So Funny about Truth, Justice & the American Way?" A hero is someone who, in spite of weakness, doubt or not always knowing the answers, goes ahead and overcomes anyway. -Christopher Reeve A hero is an ordinary individual who finds the strength to persevere and endure in spite of overwhelming obstacles. -Christopher Reeve A hero is someone who has given his or her life to something bigger than oneself. -Joseph Campbell Hard times don't create heroes. It is during the hard times when the 'hero' within us is revealed. -Bob Riley I think of a hero as someone who understands the degree of responsibility that comes with his freedom. -Bob Dylan The thing about a hero, is even when it doesn't look like there's a light at the end of the tunnel, he's going to keep digging, he's going to keep trying to do right and make up for what's gone before, just because that's who he is. -Joss Whedon A hero has faced it all: he need not be undefeated, but he must be undaunted. -Andrew Bernstein What makes Superman a hero is not that he has power, but that he has the wisdom and the maturity to use the power wisely. From an acting point of view, that's how I approached the part. -Christopher Reeve A hero is one who knows how to hang on one minute longer. -Novalis The difference between a hero and a coward is one step sideways. -Gene Hackman SecondChildUserIdTAG: 936089 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DMannIT SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T23:01:05Z SecondChildTAG: Adama's speech at Galactica's decommissioning ceremony: The Cylon War is long over, yet we must not forget the reasons why so many sacrificed so much in the cause of freedom. The cost of wearing the uniform can be high, but...sometimes it's too high. You know, when we fought the Cylons, we did it to save ourselves from extinction. But we never answered the question, why? Why are we as a people worth saving? We still commit murder because of greed, spite, jealousy. And we still visit all of our sins upon our children. We refuse to accept the responsibility for anything that we've done. Like we did with the Cylons. We decided to play God, create life. When that life turned against us, we comforted ourselves in the knowledge that it really wasn't our fault, not really. You cannot play God then wash your hands of the things that you've created. Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 936089 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DMannIT SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T23:17:35Z SecondChildTAG: Gaia . . . SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T16:46:02Z SecondChildTAG: DmannIT, we study about ancient Greek heroes,the "idea" (concept) that that Ancient Greeks had about heroes. I think your question is "who is really a hero?"Can Ancient Greek heroes be considered heroes today, or our concept of a hero is very different today? Who can be a paradigm for the others to follow? Since we don't have a definition of heroism, I 'd like to ask you, who is your hero, at least, who is one of your heroes? What are his or her characteristics that make him or her a hero? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T07:50:12Z SecondChildTAG: For me, Superman is the ideal. Maybe I'm naive, because he is fictional and I don't currently have a real hero, but a hero should be a symbol to others, providing inspiration to do good, to be good, to resist the temptation to live down to our worst impulses. I am finding it difficult to have faith in humanity anymore, as it seems to me the species is getting more dark, more selfish, more arrogant, so I embrace comic book heroes who endure so much hardship, but still find it within themselves to do what is right, what is good, and what is selfless. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 936089 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DMannIT SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T11:08:16Z SecondChildTAG: I like superman too and I also like Lucky Look who never shoots to kill someone, even the Daltons. Mahatma Gandhi is one of my real life heroes. Sometimes you can find heroes in your neighborhood, people who care about others and who are brave enough to fight for a better life for everyone. If I had to chose among the heroes of Iliad I would choose Hector or Odysseus. Hector just defended his fatherland and his family (he had no other choice) and Odysseus pretended to be mad because he didn't want to go to the war. Unfortunately he was discovered... your fellow student in heroism Euthymia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T12:03:26Z SecondChildTAG: We (humanity that is) have always found it hard to have faith in ourselves usually with good reason. Some things never change. I can understand wanting heroes that make better decisions than we do and that know with certainty what is right and wrong. That, however, isn't the subject we are studying. We are examining an ancient tradition as passed down to us. These heroes are larger than life in their faults as well as in their strengths. They are also embedded in a culture with social norms completely different from ours. I have a great deal of trouble with women being treated as chattel, valued similarly to horses, cattle and even tripods and cauldrons. I am trying to not let this influence the absolute joy of the intellectual challenge of striving to understand what these epics mean, how they communicate their meaning and how their composition over many centuries created a cohesive and lasting work of art. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T15:53:30Z SecondChildTAG: A real hero will reveal himself during great danger. That's why war makes heroes, that's why we call all martyrs heroes. In peaceful shallow times we all might feel heroes, but when dangers comes we all run to hide or play the indifferent (if not all, at least most). In today culture, heroes are dressed up with gods' powers, where the ancient heroes were simply humans. Humans with great pride and courage that are not afraid to challenge even death in the name of their ideals. These are my heroes. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 392391 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EZ SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T17:53:08Z SecondChildTAG: Random thoughts about war. Fundamentally, war destroys morality. Achilles's conduct, which shocks his friends, his foes and the gods themselves (who are moved to protect Hector's body and uphold, in the end, his right to proper funeral rites, i.e. the right and need of his near and dear ones to mourn and take leave of him), is a great example. I am always reminded of a story my father told me: he was in Rome in 1944 during Italy's liberation by the Americans. A US soldier burst one day into a café and stumbled towards the bar, where my father was having a drink. The soldier, a very young boy, practically a kid, had blood all over his uniform. He suddenly burst into tears and fell into my father's arms: *"I just killed a man"*, he cried. He had lost his innocence, would never be the same again. But does war turn us into "beasts"? Speaking about his terrible experiences in the camps, Primo Levi wrote: *"We do not believe in the most obvious and facile deduction: that man is fundamentally brutal, egoistic and stupid in his conduct once every civilised institution is taken away … We believe, rather, that the only conclusion to be drawn is that in the face of driving necessity and physical disabilities many social habits and instincts are reduced to silence."* Granted, he was speaking here about the conduct of inmates, rather than that of the torturers. War is also the place where human condition is tested in the most profound way. The courageous learn fear and the meek may become heroes in spite of themselves. Man is placed in extreme situations, experiences the strongest emotions (fear, pity, grief, hatred, rage, love) and permanently faces the most existential of all issues, our mortality. It is therefore, I believe, the ultimate and deepest theme of literature. The incomprehensible violence and absurdity of war humbles us. We are left wondering: why do we do this, why do we submit to this, why is this done to us, do we want this, is it necessary, can we change it? And more often then not, we realize that we could abstain, refuse. And we start pondering on free will. And on shame. War is the greatest metaphor for all human tragedies and pain. It confronts us to the great existential questions: why are we? Why do we stop being? Do we stop being? What is life and what is death? WHY? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T06:49:32Z SecondChildTAG: War is also the field of sacrifice. In war, Abraham kills Isaac. This is what the poet Wilfred Owen, writing about WWI recognized, and so did Benjamin Britten, who set Owen's texts to music in his extraordinary, heart-wrenching *"War Requiem"* : *So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went, / And took the fire with him, and a knife. / And as they sojourned both of them together, / Isaac the first-born spake and said, My Father, / Behold the preparations, fire and iron, / But where the lamb for this burnt-offering? / Then Abram bound the youth with belts and straps, / And builded parapets and trenched there, / And streched forth the knife to slay his son. / When lo! and angel called him out of heaven, / Saying, Lay not thy hand upon the lad, / Neither do anything to him. Behold, / A ram, caught in a thicket by its horns; / Offer the Ram of Pride instead of him. / But the old man would not so, / but slew his son, - / And half the seed of Europe, one by one.* Here is what Owen wrote: "I am not concerned with Poetry. My subject is War, and the pity of War. The Poetry is in the pity. Yet these elegies are to this generation in no sense conciliatory. They may be to the next. All a poet can do today is warn. That is why the true Poets must be truthful." -Wilfred Owen SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T07:02:43Z SecondChildTAG: ![Scene of Derek Jarman's film version of Britten's War Requiem][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13654914601343605.jpg SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T07:12:27Z SecondChildTAG: Image: Tilda Swinton and Nathaniel Parker in Derek Jarman's film adaptation of Britten's "War Requiem". SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T07:14:41Z SecondChildTAG: I'll add here a post I made on Sunday in my cohort: In the spirit of comparison with cinematography that Professor Nagy encourages, I have been struck by the depiction of the Trojan war. (N.B. So far I have only read through the readings for Hour 3.) When I was a child in the U.S., films all had “good guys” and “bad guys”, and you knew immediately who was in the right, who in the wrong. Westerns showed evil, scalp-taking savages; war movies portrayed unfeeling, robotic German and Japanese soldiers; all of the above had to yield to the valiant U.S. army/navy/marines/air force. The films presented a very one-sided take on things. And the violence was stylized, schematic, not a bit graphic. The modern cinematic trend is to show both sides of a conflict as human, and to record every gruesome detail, every drop of blood, sweat and tears. But it isn’t modern at all; this is exactly what the Iliad does for its spectators. It records equally heroic actions on both sides, gives insights into the private lives - loves such as Andromache and Hector or Paris (rather unrequited at this point) and Helen, bickering among comrades-in-arms with their jealousy (think Agamemnon towards Achilles) their lack of desire for battle (think Paris) and contested strategic planning (think of the continuing debates amongst the Greeks about returning home vs fighting on, and the Trojan hesitance between defense and attack), moments of respite from war (such as Achilles playing the harp and singing kleos andron) - and reveals the gods-given inspiration which drives men beyond their limits to heroic efforts. Excruciatingly graphic descriptions abound. Western filmography has returned to its roots, the Greek epic tradition. And I'll add that humankind hasn't learned much... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T09:06:39Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Claudia, my favourite passage so far is a little bit odd. Its the passage in the end of scroll XVIII where Homer describes the decoration of the new armor that Hephaistos makes for Achilles. I am just amazed by the beautiful and so detailed description that the poet decides to share with the participants of his song. The armor is just a small detail in the whole narration but then again Homer decides that it is worth sharing this "little" universe that Hephaistos has decided to create in the armor. It's just so vivid. Homer doesn't mind taking a break from the main narration and letting his audience appreciate the art of a skilled manual worker, the master of his kind, god Hephaistos. Voula FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1335694 FirstChildUserNameTAG: voulakatr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T12:22:23Z SecondChildTAG: Voula, I agree! It may be a detail in the whole narration, but it is one of the really inspiring passages for me as a writer. Let me just quote what I wrote in another discussion thread entitled "THE SHIELD OF ACHILLES": > I have never read anything like this. An artefact becoming, first, a work of art, and then the story of the all humanity, nature, the cosmos; each description evolves into an individual narrative, each detail comes to life, and all these independent threads are part of a unique whole, the shield being finite, like a living cell, the basic unit of life, born out of the cosmos but separate from it for a short period stretching from birth till death. What a lesson for everyone, I am sure, but to me as a writer particularly moving, motivating and illuminating. I must cite again - as I have done in two other threads already! - that great sentence by the poet Muriel Rukeyser: "*The universe is made of stories, not atoms.*" SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T12:31:08Z FirstChildTAG: My favorite passage is definitely the opening, which, in my favorite translation (in French) goes : > Chante deesse la colere d'Achille, le fils de Pelee, detestable colere qui aux Acheens value des souffrances sans nombres et jeta en pature a Hades tant d'ames fieres de heros, tandis que de ces heros meme elle faisait la proie des chiens et de tous les oiseaux du ciel pour l'achevement du dessein de Zeus. It is so majestic and *grandiose* that one cannot not want to read it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1058233 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ghenning FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T15:23:46Z SecondChildTAG: C'est Paul Mazon, n'est-ce pas? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T15:33:34Z FirstChildTAG: I have thought and thought about this, and read with fascination and delight the posts of so many peers, but in the end, I have only one choice. It begins at Il.I.1 and ends at Il.XXIV.804. Should I post it...? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T19:13:31Z SecondChildTAG: Ha! I agree! But then, it has been a good exercise scan the piece again for individual fragments, looking for beauty. Very much like taking pictures of details of monuments. In the end, it is not about which detail is the more beautiful, but about "slow-reading" the chef d'oeuvre and pausing to examine particular aspects. ![Achille traînant Hector][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13656604791343663.jpg L'outrage au corps du héros mort *Achille traînant le corps d'Hector. Déroulé du lécythe. Peintre de Diosphos. Athènes, vers 490 av. J.-C. Lécythe à figures noires. H. 21,80 cm.; d. 7,60 cm. Provenance : Érétrie. Acquisition, 1893 Musée du Louvre, Antiquités grecques, étrusques et romaines.* SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T06:09:31Z FirstChildTAG: Hello all, I would like to post something too, though I have to say, I read wonderful posts in this thread, so, first of all, thank you! Now, from the readings so far, the small bit I would like to share with you is the following: "They mourned for Patroklos, that was their pretext, but they were all mourning, each and every one of them, for what they really cared for in their sorrow." What never seizes to amaze me in Illiad, as I read in many of your posts too, is that inside this epic poem, among all these supernatural scenes, scenes of brutality, violence, battle, intrigue, anger, there are a lot of moments so touching, human and real, parts in which one could also find a profound lyricism. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 225142 FirstChildUserNameTAG: amiralouf FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T22:00:54Z FirstChildTAG: So far my favorite passage is the speech of Xanthos, Achilles' horse. Even the animals know of Achilles' impending death and Xanthos is making sure that Achilles knows that he is not going to assume any responsibility for that. I have to wonder if the ancient Greek audience/participants would have considered this to be somewhat humorous or at least lighter than the rest of the Iliad which is very short on humor of any kind. In addition I also like the scenes of the gods of Olympus interacting with themselves and with the humans. It reminded me of why I did not care for the recent movie Troy which deliberately eliminated the gods completely. It seemed to me to rather miss the whole point of the epic. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1080551 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RickFlynn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T19:18:50Z FirstChildTAG: 'Be men now, dear friends, and take up the heart of courage, and have consideration for each other in the strong encounters, since more come through alive when men consider each other, and there is no glory when they give way, nor warcraft either.' (V.529-532) Even though the Iliad shows us the negative side of pride, it also shows us some of the positives. One advantage of pride is that it can make people perform good actions out of fear of losing respect. In this case, Agamemnon thinks that if his men keep pride in mind, they will get through the battle more safely. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279663 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Arieta_Eleni FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T20:01:18Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Claudia, My favorite so far is the passage in Iliad 9 that Achilles states clearly his choices **nostos or kleos**. He is fully aware of what's ahead of him and the gravity of his decision one way or another. *[410] My mother Thetis, goddess with silver steps, tells me that 411 I carry the burden of two different fated ways [kēres] leading to the final moment [telos] of death. 412 If I stay here and fight at the walls of the city of the Trojans, then my safe homecoming [nostos] will be destroyed for me, but I will have a glory [kleos] that is imperishable [aphthiton]. 414 Whereas if I go back home, returning to the dear land of my forefathers, [415] then it is my glory [kleos], genuine [esthlon] as it is, that will be destroyed for me, but my life force [aiōn] will then 416 last me a long time, and the final moment [telos] of death will not be swift in catching up with me.* FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1369191 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SophiaCoro FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T00:39:55Z FirstChildTAG: For right now, my favorite passage is one that gave me a big belly laugh and such an aha! moment. From Scroll XVIII I think it is, when Thetis visits Hephaistos to have that cosmic armor made for Achilles: > [410] Then the mighty monster hobbled off from his anvil, his thin legs plying lustily under him. He set the bellows away from the fire, and gathered his tools into a silver chest. Then he took a sponge and washed his face and hands, [415] his shaggy chest and brawny neck; he donned his khiton, grasped his strong staff, and limped towards the door. There were golden handmaids also who worked for him, and were like real young women, with sense and reason [noos], voice also and strength, [420] and all the learning of the immortals; these busied themselves as the king bade them, while he drew near to Thetis, seated her upon a goodly seat, and took her hand in his own,... I thought, "Golden handmaids like real women? Cool -- Androids!!" And it occurred to me that there is a lot of neat Sci-Fi stuff in the Iliad, in addition to the parallels drawn with Total Recall by Jedi Master Gregory. Alien abductions (admittedly they are gods doing the abducting), teleportation, shape shifters, anthropomorphosis (sic) of animals and natural forces, telekinesis, and the placing of the errant odd Ate in someone's head. Maybe the Muses operate the Holodeck. Dare I say it: These aren't the Droids you're looking for? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 935479 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T01:41:27Z FirstChildTAG: Claudia, At the head of this thread you mentioned that you have a new reading on one of your favorite passages. Would you mind elaborating a little on how you now see Patroklos's team grieving his death? Thank you, Bob FirstChildUserIdTAG: 935479 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T01:49:54Z FirstChildTAG: I really love this passage: “Xanthos and Balios, famed offspring of Podarge – this time when we have done fighting be sure and bring your driver safely back to the army of the Achaeans, and do not leave him dead on the plain as you did Patroklos.” Then fleet Xanthos answered under the yoke – [405] for white-armed Hera had endowed him with human speech – and he bowed his head till his mane touched the ground as it hung down from under the yoke-band. “Dread Achilles,” said he, “we will indeed save you now, but the day of your death is near, and we will not be responsible [aitioi], [410] for it will be the gods and stern fate that will destroy you. Neither was it through any sloth or slackness on our part that the Trojans stripped Patroklos of his armor; it was the mighty god whom lovely-haired Leto bore that slew him as he fought among the foremost, and granted a triumph to Hector. [415] We two can fly as swiftly as Zephyros who they say is fleetest of all winds; nevertheless it is your doom to fall by the hand of a man and of a god.” When he had thus spoken, the Furies [Erinyes] blocked his speaking any further, and fleet Achilles answered him in great sadness, saying, [420] “Why, O Xanthos, do you thus foretell my death? You need not do so, for I well know that I am to fall here, far from my dear father and mother; none the more, however, shall I stay my hand till I have given the Trojans their fill of fighting.” So saying, with a loud cry he drove his horses to the front. A talking horse, now that's cool ;-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 960583 FirstChildUserNameTAG: P00ch FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T17:33:00Z SecondChildTAG: It's true. Talking horses *are* cool! > A horse is a horse, of course, of course, And no one can talk to a > horse of course That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous > Mr. Ed. > > Go right to the source and ask the horse He'll give you the answer > that you'll endorse. He's always on a steady course. Talk to Mr. Ed. > > > People yakkity yak a streak and waste your time of day But Mister Ed > will never speak unless he has something to say. > > A horse is a horse, of course, of course, And this one'll talk 'til > his voice is hoarse. You never heard of a talking horse? > > Well listen to this. > > I am Mister Ed. Mister Ed by Ray Evans and Jay Livingston source: http://www.lyricsondemand.com/ Sorry, couldn't resist. It's an American 1960's classic TV show. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935479 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T04:44:43Z SecondChildTAG: Lovely, Bob, and yes to you and P00ch: these are cool horse... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T06:50:35Z IndexTAG: 24 TitleTAG: Join Facebook Group (HarvardX: CB22x The Ancient Greek Hero) Dear fellow student, All of you are invited to join HarvardX: CB22x The Ancient Greek Hero. I hope this group will be an exciting place for all of us to discuss and share our problems. Please find the link for the fb group page below: https://www.facebook.com/groups/290941837701066/ Please, vote this thread so that other fellow student can also find this link. Best Regards, Niranjan Phuyal UserIdTAG: 964828 UserNameTAG: nphuyal CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:28:19Z VoteTAG:32 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: When I visit this on FB it says that the group is closed. How do we join it? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1229810 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MikeNoel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:24:02Z SecondChildTAG: MikeNoel, if you go to the right of your screen underneath the cover photo, you should see "Join Group" and then you wait for approval from Group Administrator. Best. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 331875 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KrisChinooks SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:11:55Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1229810 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MikeNoel SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T15:39:11Z FirstChildTAG: why all people trying to launch a FB group? I came across with many FB groups. Why don't you merge them as a single FB group? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1065618 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Merter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T15:51:58Z SecondChildTAG: It completely makes sense..! but now, everyone will be in all groups, because no one will shut down their own group in benefit of another! Maybe all the administrators of each group could choose and join one single group as administrator too... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1143842 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RBarros SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T03:13:09Z IndexTAG: 25 TitleTAG: [FROM STAFF] Hour 3: Professor Nagy's Discussion Question--Performance of Song in the Iliad "Here is a general question that I would like for you to think about and to discuss with each other and with me in our forum. Can you think of at least three examples in the Iliad where a character is represented as performing a song when he or she is quoted in the narrative? You may use examples that I have already cited. What does such a performance of a song tell us about the performance of the Iliad itself? Hint: have a look at what I say in The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours (especially Hour 2§38) about the research of Richard Martin." UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T23:18:21Z VoteTAG:31 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 86 FirstChildTAG: hriggs, your examples of laments are very poignant because they point to the Iliad's themes of fate and destiny that are so compelling and so universal. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1399730 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MsClepper FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T04:54:17Z SecondChildTAG: Hi MsClepper, Yes, it strikes me as important that Zeus is pictured here as weeping tears of blood; its a signal that this really is a lament, and, it seems to me, that something important is going on: Sarpedon killed by Patrokles killed by Hector killed by Achilles So Zeus' own *dear son* is first, Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T19:01:49Z SecondChildTAG: An ascending scale of dis-affection? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T20:53:41Z SecondChildTAG: The god sacrifices his son. But the result is more sacrifice, rather than redemption. So what is this about? The fair distribution of... suffering? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T07:17:25Z SecondChildTAG: Zeus is threatened by Hera that should Zeus choose life for Sarpedon, he will "... awaken grim resentment among the gods." So Zeus really had only one choice ... possibly a recurring theme? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T09:57:02Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, Zeus is by no means an omnipotent ruler. He keeps having to pacify his lesser collegues who are so prompt to rebel. Even human beings are prone to revolt. His power is founded on some basic "rules of law" and constant negotiations in which everyone needs to get some due and to save face/honour. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T14:48:33Z SecondChildTAG: It will be interesting to compare Hesiod with Homer on these issues. I have read a little and Hesiod seems to have an almost reverence for how Zeus manages the cosmos (but then perhaps he is not intending to describe the Age of Heroes, but his own Age of Iron). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T15:43:12Z SecondChildTAG: The three lamentations that Dr. Nagy mention were phoenix, Meleagro and Cleopatra's. they speech like an act that called song at the ancient Greek culture, especially the Homeric era. They recall something that is very urgency situation to bring the company to act the certain way of performance. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1041549 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CorihKim7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T14:05:57Z FirstChildTAG: I think the performance of the Iliad should have been theatrical in a way that the listeners should have been participants, too. And how can the audience take part in the performance of such an epic song? Perhaps *rapsodoi* should not just have sung the song. They had to act, give life to the words and transfer to the participants the intense feelings of sorrow and lament. The 3 laments that strike me the most are: the 1st lament sung by Andromache, the lament that Thetis sings after Patroklos' death and Briseis' lament about dead Patroklos. I think these three laments conceal a sorrow for someone else, too. Andromache mourns for herself, too (what will happen to her after Hector dies), Thetis, on the other hand, deep down mourns for her son Achilles, because she knows what happens next. Last but not least, Briseis expresses sorrow for herself, as Patroklos was her last hope to be treated well as a woman. So, we have the legal wife (Andromache), the mother (Thetis) and the wife to be (Briseis). Three women who are about to lose their "everything", their own self. So, lament in the Iliad evoked perhaps feelings of *eleos* and *phobos*, as Aristoteles has cited. Bottom line: The Iliad expressed the participants' life, feelings and roles (of the mother, wife, son, etc). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T06:19:33Z SecondChildTAG: The point about mourning more than just the fallen hero is well taken. Prof. Nagy points out that other members of a song culture relive their own sorrows when hearing the lament of another. > So she [= Briseis] spoke, weeping, and the women kept on mourning in response. They mourned for Patroklos, that was their pretext, but they were all mourning, each and every one of them, for what they really cared for in their sorrow. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T06:44:53Z SecondChildTAG: This is happening to me (audience/hearer/participant) as I read these laments & listen to them on cars. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T16:07:44Z SecondChildTAG: My view is that the performance of the song in The Iliad confers the text a **multi-dimensional**, almost 3D, perspective of the story. And now, that I think about it, I find it quite amazing for the genius behind it. You have epic and lyric. Two mediums which will help the people engage at different levels. One conveys a message while the other privileges emotions. It's like being "sucked" into this "time-space" worm whole to find yourself, the reader/listener as silent but yet active participant of the plot. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1489478 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Luis_Castro SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T16:25:22Z FirstChildTAG: HeatherParsons. I have spent the last two days trying to catch up with the class and I'm hoping that I have got the right idea to answer this question. h24h ILiad XVIII 54-62 Ah me, the pitiful one! Ah me, the mother so sad it is, of the very best...... I do have a question about the presentation of the Epic Poems- I thought they would originally been told by solo 'Bards' travelling between large settlements to retell the tales as a whole, and were, they still retold when Greek theatre transformed into the stylized entity it became-with actors, masks and chorus. The lamentation's/song's would work well with the chorus and stylized movements used by the all male performers. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1515720 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HeatherParsons FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T08:41:09Z FirstChildTAG: I am anticipating a little on scroll 24, which I have only read very superficially, and am thinking of the three successive laments over Hector's dead body, after Priam has returned him to Troy: first Andromache, than Hecuba and finally Helen. Andromache and Helen's speeches are the ones which most clearly and poignantly refer to their own fate: Andromache bemoans the dreadful future that awaits her, her son and the Trojans, for they have lost all protection. Helen also weeps for the loss of the only person who was kind to her - so Hector was also *her* protector. Hecuba's reference to herself is indirect: she speaks as a mother, in the first person, and her speech concerns the almost childlike perfection of Hector's body: Hector is born again in death, uncorrupted, unblemished, beloved in heaven and on earth, like a child, her favourite son. I will have to go back to the issue of what is really a song for the purposes of prof. Nagy's question. Isn't the whole poem a song? How interchangeable are the words poem and song? Or are we looking for something that is really "sung" in the modern sense, therefore "lyrical"? Or are we looking for a speech in a micronarrative? Or a lament? (I remember that this has been discussed in H24H and will go back to it, probably complementing or editing my present answer in the next days!) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T09:21:53Z SecondChildTAG: Hi I would also like a working definition of what a ‘song’ is in *The Iliad* for the purposes of this exercise. In *Hour 2, Text D: Singing the klea andrōn,* the following ‘reading’ was put forward by Professor Nagy: ‘’So what Phoenix does is epic. What Achilles does here is lyric. That's one way of reading it’’. Then we have been made aware that a ‘lament’ can be seen as being: ‘’crying and singing at the same time’’ (H24H, Hour 3). Do all three of these examples constitute a song for this particular exercise? As an overview, we were introduced to the concept that: ‘’The epic poetry of kleos is a performance. And, as we have seen, this performance is figured as a kind of singing’’ (H24H, Hour 2). It could be argued that songs, in any form are important to the performance thus enhancing the visualization of the ‘’'audience' in the original wording of Plato's *Ion* is *theōmenoi*, which literally means 'spectators' or, better, 'visualizers' (Introduction to Homeric poetry, H24H). Thanks Mark SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1432901 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mvevers SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T10:23:28Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, that's just what I meant. Thanks for fleshing out and describing the issue so accurately. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T11:48:06Z SecondChildTAG: Have you watched Ch'unhiang? Do you define the narrator's voice as song - I do, but I am also reminded of chanting, as much as singing, and I wonder whether the effect of dactylic hexameter, line after line after line, would not be similar to a chant. The Greek word mimesis is also very relevant here. It need not involve actual acting, but, like the Korean master-narrator, I think it should involve a great deal of drama in the voice. At this point, whether you call it song or chant does not seem to matter; what is significant, I think, is that it is no longer "normal" speech. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T20:54:56Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, I did watch it and see what you mean. In French, by the way, it is only fairly recently that texts performed on stage have started to be spoken "normally". It is quite an experience listening to Sarah Bernhardt, for example, declaiming. It is more chanted than spoken. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpvcwoBD29E Extract of Rostand's *"L'Aiglon"*. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T21:16:57Z SecondChildTAG: Beautiful audio clip, Dominique. Thank you! Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T23:04:15Z SecondChildTAG: That beautifully illustrates an example of special speech. It blurs the distinction between recitation and unaccompanied song into insignificance. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T01:19:58Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Dominique, Do you know how Sarah Bernhardt's remarkable *special speech* fits in with the rest of that performance? Was the entire play(?) like this, or was this a segment with a special significance? I realize that this information may not be readily available, if at all, for an event like that over a hundred years ago. (How time flies!) Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:33:35Z SecondChildTAG: I think this was the standard tone or style of speech in the early 20th century (and before), extremely heightened, almost chant-like. What made Sarah Bernhardt stand out was not the style of speech, but her ability to connect this heightened form to her emotions (what I called an "organic" performance in another thread) and achieve the highest level of authenticity, or truth: she was thus able to move a whole audience to tears, sometimes almost into a trance. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T06:02:24Z SecondChildTAG: Here another reconstruction of the old art of tragedy, in Mnouchkine's chef d'oeuvre "MOLIÈRE": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h34u8ps2wG4 I unfortunately cannot find a clip (from the same film) of a parody of this style when it fails to connect to genuine emotions: Molière attempts to play tragedy and his chant is plain boring and ridiculous, so the whole public ends up laughing and, worse, leaving the hall in protest. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T06:24:07Z SecondChildTAG: This discussion thread is reminding me that for the ancient song cultures, speech was the only medium and therefore would it not be logical to have several modes of speaking to signify importance? Since as modern learners we tend to put things we want to remember into a song, perhaps song is the most "memorable" method of speaking - a higher form of communication. Winston Churchill purposely wrote his most memorable speeches in poetic form. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1114557 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JacquiRenee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T13:34:55Z SecondChildTAG: Ruth Kluger, a holocaust survivor, literary critic and author wrote in her autobigraphy that in the midst of chaos, tragedy, loss of identity, in fact loss of civilization, what helped was formal poetry, rhymed, obeying strict rules, like for example the sonnet, because it gave back a sense of order, orientation, form, when life had lost all its markers. I imagine that heightened speech in times of exclusively oral performance must have likewise helped a people faced with the mysteries and violence of existence to invent or recognize the threads of a cosmic order. (Which reminds me of the discussion in H24H about artifice and nature - I am going to read the relevant passage again...) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T15:33:20Z SecondChildTAG: @ Dominique - thank you for the extraordinary clip. And it's a lament in effect! > — Ah! je comprends!... Le cri de cet homme qui meurt Fut pour ce > val qui sait tous les râles par cœur, Comme le premier vers d'une > chanson connue. Et quand l'homme se tait, la plaine continue ! > LA PLAINE, au loin. Ah!... ah!... LE DUC. Ah! je > comprends!... plainte, râle, sanglot. ... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T19:41:21Z SecondChildTAG: Faultless and en-chanting. Words and rhythms from the distant alexandrine past. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T05:26:39Z SecondChildTAG: A biographical film about Ruth Kluger is being shown here this weekend sponsored by the Oregon State German department. Without this posting I would probably have not noticed it. If you pay attention there are connections everywhere and no piece of information is disjoint from the world. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T20:55:52Z SecondChildTAG: Ruth Klüger is remarkable. Her Autobiography "Still Alive" is one of the very important books written about the Third Reich and the concentration camps. Radically honest. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T00:44:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hi all, The specified passage in H24H says this: > 2§38. Similarly, as we have already seen in Hour 1, kleos means not just glory but glory achieved by way of using the medium of song. This medium is a way of speaking in a special way, of using special speech. On this subject, I cite an essential work by Richard Martin: he shows that narratives within the master Narrative of the *Iliad* contain markers for and about the listeners of the master Narrative. We are asked to pick out three examples of a character singing a song that is quoted. In that regard, are all direct quotes sung in the Iliad, and since they are totally recalled by way of the Muses, does that mean that they were sung by the character himself/herself? The three passages that I select all make requests, or sometimes even prayers. > [35] and prayed apart to King Apollo whom lovely fine-haired Leto had borne. "Hear me," he cried, "O god of the silver bow, you who protects Khrysē and holy Killa and rules Tenedos with your might, hear me O Sminthian God of Plague Apollo. If I have ever decked your temple with garlands, [40] or burned your thigh-pieces in fat of bulls or goats, grant my prayer, and let your arrows avenge these my tears upon the Danaans." Thus did he pray, and Apollo heard his prayer. He came down furious from the summits of Olympus, [45] with his bow and his quiver upon his shoulder, and the arrows rattled on his back with the rage that trembled within him. Khrysēs to Apollo, *Iliad* Scroll I This passage makes reference to the ritual offerings that Greeks made to their gods. This might be a way to connect with the audience, since they likely also performed rituals. > [500] She sat herself down before him, and with her left hand seized his knees, while with her right she caught him under the chin, and besought him, saying, "Father Zeus, Lord of Sky, if I ever did you service in word or deed among the immortals, hear my prayer, [505] and do honor to my son, whose life is to be cut short so early. King Agamemnon has dishonored him by taking his prize [*geras*] and keeping her. Honor him then yourself, Olympian lord of counsel, and grant victory to the Trojans, till the Achaeans [510] give my son his due and load him with riches in compensation [*timē*]." Thetis to Zeus, *Iliad* Scroll I This passage may show a moral marker - that it was wrong of Agamemnon to take the prize allocated to Achilles, and therefore there must be compensation. > And tall Hector of the shining helmet answered, “Honored mother, bring no wine, [265] lest you unman me and I forget my strength. I dare not make a drink-offering to Zeus with unwashed hands; one who is bespattered with blood and filth may not pray to the son of Kronos. Get the matrons together, [270] and go with offerings to the temple of Athena driver of the spoil; there, upon the knees of Athena the lovely haired, lay the largest and fairest robe you have in your house – the one you set most store by; promise, moreover, to sacrifice twelve yearling heifers [275] that have never yet felt the goad, in the temple of the goddess if she will take pity on the town, with the wives and little ones of the Trojans, and keep the son of Tydeus from off the goodly city of Ilion, for he fights with fury, and fills men’s spirits with panic. Go, then, to the temple of Athena, ...” Hector to Hecuba, *Iliad* Scroll IV This final passage also refers to ritual, and here the audience (participants) are given quite specific information about the nature of the ritual sacrifice. Jennifer FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897034 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T12:58:49Z SecondChildTAG: So I have changed my mind about these selections. It seems from going back to the videos and H24H that there can be distinctions between the "singing" that is associated with epic song culture, and other types of songs, which are specially marked in the text (cf. Richard Martin). The question is: > Can you think of at least three examples in the *Iliad* where a character is represented as performing a song when he or she is quoted in the narrative? The laments are all public **performances**, and are all a special type of **song** (crying and singing at the same time), and perhaps these get more to the point of the question. They tend to be **marked** with words such as *akhos* and *penthos*, and also with other clues, like ripping off hair adornments, messing one's hair, scratching one's face, pulling at clothing, etc. It is interesting that so many of the laments, overflowing with emotion, are sung by women, and this seems to be the main expression of mortal woman's voice in the Narrative. We have other quotes by goddess, but there seem to be few quoted passages by mortal women that do not involve lament. As quoted by many other participants here in this thread, there are many powerful laments in the *Iliad*, including those sung over the bodies of Patroklos and Hector. Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T02:44:20Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for an interesting post! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1423155 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Elsebeth SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T17:43:58Z FirstChildTAG: Songs and ballads have always been used to pass stories down through generations. When I was six or seven years old I could remember the whole of Prince Heathen which is a 28 verse ballad. We learned our tables by singing them and I could sing up to twelve (before decimalisation). It is a shame I wasn't taught history in the same way. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1359181 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LouiseTaylor FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T13:02:37Z SecondChildTAG: Children in the USA also learn the names of the states and grammar rules using song. It's quite an effective form for remembering information. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278935 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dawnEC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T22:44:24Z FirstChildTAG: In the epic of the Iliad XXIV,we can observe three characters are presented as performing a lament song.First of all in the verses 723-745 identified the lament of Andromache.The Andromache weeps the youth of Hector and she makes reference to the humiliation of their son and his untimely death of Hector.So the individual is interwoven with the whole, with the fate of all the Trojans because the city will fall after the patron saint of lost. The lament of Andromache is cry pain of wife, mother and then as a member of Troaditissas a whole. Follows the lament of mother Ekavis,in verses 746-761,highlighting the bravery of Hector, the best among the other children and most loved by all the gods.It is remarkable the reference to deaths and sale of prisoners sons, spoils of Achilles, data submitted or create a sense of a kind of summary of the epic battles of the Iliad.The reference to Patroklos, friend of Achilles, who was killed by Hector and paid with his life, reminds us of the end of minidos culmination with the death of Hector in revenge of Achilles.The lament of Ekavis meditates and says perhaps with some gloat that the death of Hector not resurrect the dead friend of Achilles, Patroclus. What is important for the mother to relieve the pain of the issue is the price of her son. Then presents the third woman lament, the mourning of Helen, a foreigner, the bride of Hector and wife of Paris or Alexander,in the verses 762-777.The lament of Helen refers to the cause of the Trojan war. Helen, a symbol of beauty and reason of the war, the lament of expressing her personal feelings for Hector appears the ethos and friendly attitude.Helen talks about her own pain and the rhetoric of aversion hopes have died, rather than because of her been lost so many brave men. So through their lamentations presented key elements of Iliad epic, the connection, the fighting on both sides and the end. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1419978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Christiana22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T13:46:34Z FirstChildTAG: Obviously, the first example that I recall is Achilles singing *klea andrōn*, with Patroklos listening to him, when Odysseus, Phoenix and Ayax came into his ship. The second one is when Thetis knows that Achilles will return to battle as he becomes aware of Patroklos' death in Scroll XVIII (50-64). She expresses here her *akhos* for this by singing for the Nereids: > The crystal cave was filled with their multitude and they all beat > their breasts while Thetis led them in their lament. “Listen,” she > cried, “sisters, daughters of Nereus, that you may hear the burden of > my sorrows. 54 Ah me, the pitiful one! Ah me, the mother, so sad it > is, of the very best. [55] I gave birth to a faultless and strong > son, 56 the very best of heroes. And he shot up [anedramen] equal > [īsos] to a seedling [ernos]. 57 I nurtured him like a shoot in the > choicest spot of the orchard, 58 only to send him off on curved ships > to Troy, to fight Trojan men. 59 And I will never be welcoming him > [60] back home as returning warrior, back to the House of Peleus. 61 > And as long as he lives and sees the light of the sun, 62 he will have > sorrow [akh-nutai], and though I go to him I cannot help him. > Nevertheless I will go, that I may see my dear son and learn what > sorrow [penthos] has befallen him though he is still holding aloof > from battle.” And the third one is Briseis crying, weeping and singing for Patroklos after his death in Scroll XIX (301-302): > So now I cannot stop crying for you, now that you are dead, you who > were always so sweet and gentle.” 301 So she [= Briseis] spoke, > weeping, and the women kept on mourning in response. There also another example in the last lament song of the Iliad itself. Here, it's Helen who sings and expresses her deep *penthos* for Hektor's death in Scroll XXIV (760-775): > Thus did she too speak through her tears with bitter moan, and then > Helen for a third time took up the strain of lamentation. “Hector,” > said she, “dearest of all my brothers-in-law-for I am wife to > Alexandros who brought me here to Troy – would that I had died before > he did so – [765] twenty years are come and gone since I left my home > and came from over the sea, but I have never heard one word of insult > or unkindness from you. When another would chide with me, as it might > be one of your brothers or sisters or of your brothers’ wives, [770] > or my mother-in-law – for Priam was as kind to me as though he were my > own father – you would rebuke and check them with words of gentleness > and goodwill. Therefore my tears flow both for you and for my unhappy > self, for there is no one else in Troy [775] who is kind to me, but > all shrink and shudder as they go by me.” FirstChildUserIdTAG: 754083 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aquiles77 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T17:32:58Z FirstChildTAG: Referring to the Professor's comments on the fact that laments tend to be more of a female medium, I can't help to notice that the laments of both Andromache and Kleopatra seem to be more attuned to their own fate, and the fates of those with whom they are acquainted, than their mates or lovers. That evaluation would seem to be in tune with the general tenor of teller of the tale, even considering the active participation of Penthesileia in combat, that female roles are here generally confined to worry, concern, lament, over their destiny, should the fates have woven skein against the victory of their mates, their benefactors, and their supporting casts. Achilles, on the other hand, sang the 'glories of heroes', striking a remarkably different theme than those of the laments of Andromache and Kleopatra, although, in ones imagination, his ankhos may have been, although not graphically described, prominently present in his own song. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 145656 FirstChildUserNameTAG: desertbob FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T19:02:14Z SecondChildTAG: It makes sense that each person could only sing of their own experiences. Most of the females would not be able to sing of the experiences of battle, and most of the men, as warriors, would not be able to express the concerns relating to the fates of the women, children, and societies. Sincerity, personal experience of the grief, seems to me to be an integral aspect of lamenting. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278935 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dawnEC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T22:48:47Z FirstChildTAG: A few observations, given that many people here have already cited examples of songs "performed" within the Master Narrative of *The Iliad* itself: 1. From what I've picked up elsewhere, it seems that ancient Greek itself was marked by tonal rather than stressed variations (a bit like Chinese? Some compare it to the somewhat lilting sounds of Swedish, with which I'm slightly familiar). The implication would be that any live performance of *The Iliad* as a whole had a song-like quality to it, even if unaccompanied by music as such. Perhaps I'm over-reaching here; I stand ready to be corrected by those who know more about ancient Greek. 2. But whether point 1 above is true or not, what marks off the text's interior "songs," aside from the Narrator (or someone else) remarking that they were being sung? Would there have been a performance tradition that might have marked such passages in a special way (change of pitch or tempo, gesture, other)? Would it be similar to how arias are marked off from the recitative in opera? 3. Is there any evidence of a kind of call-and-response tradition similar to that in recitals of African tales, such as the *Sundiata* epic? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 FirstChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T20:11:14Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, don. I can't answer your questions, but here are some thoughts: 1. I don't think it's a strech to imagine poetry having "a song-like quality to it, even if unaccompanied by music." Listen to Dylan Thomas recite "Poem on His Birthday" and try to imitate the first stanza: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5QpQ3x42NQ. You'll see what I mean by the time you hit the word, "sun." I don't know much about the Welsh, and don't know if they have a "song culture;" but my understanding is song is very important to them and that even their spoken language is song-like. 2. About markers, check out the post by bprescott-decie below. He started a list of markers. 3. About your call and response question, check this out from Scroll I: "Apollo struck his lyre, and the Muses lifted up their sweet voices, calling out and making response to one another." The phrase "calling and making response" seems to be _aeidon ameibomenai_ in Greek. ![enter image description here][1] http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=a%29meibo%2Fmenai&la=greek&can=a%29meibo%2Fmenai0&prior=a)/eidon&d=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133:book=1:card=568&i=1#lexicon (Click "LSJ") http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/submitvote?type=sense&lexquery=Perseus:text:1999.04.0057:entry=a)mei/bw1&doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133&subquery=entry=a)mei/bw1&form=a)meibo/menai&which=1&sense_id=n5103.11&lang= Genghis [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13650540881343638.gif SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T05:44:05Z SecondChildTAG: Genghis, I am following every one of your links with pleasure. That was identifiable as Dylan Thomas from the first words. He had an amazingly distinctive voice. Thank you and please continue. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T05:58:42Z SecondChildTAG: I can answer question 3 above. See if your library can come up with a copy of Foley J.M. ed. (2005). *A companion to ancient epic*. Blackwell : UK. There's a substantial literature on the subject. The companion has a relevant chapter with a substantial reading list. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T11:06:51Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you, Priscilla! These discussions we are having are fascinating. And thanks for mentioning those books, Brian. For reference: * http://www.amazon.com/Companion-Ancient-Epic-Miles-Foley/dp/1405188383 * http://www.amazon.co.uk/Companion-Ancient-Blackwell-Companions-World/dp/1405188383 By the way, do you happen to know what #13 in the bibliography of H24H-Hour3 refers to? [**13. Nagy 2007c:249-250**]. It's an article Professor Nagy published in 2007. But which one? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T19:33:54Z SecondChildTAG: To add an comment to your third question, it is also written that Petroklos was waiting his turn when Achilles was playing his lyre. Perhaps this indicates some degree of response set. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278935 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dawnEC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T22:51:12Z FirstChildTAG: I absolutely agree with all classmates , but let me think something a bit different.I think that these micronarratives incorporated in Iliad are signs that epic poetry existed before Iliad and Homer was aware of it. Through these songs in Iliad ,Homer wants to give this poetry a special position in society.In rapsody Z Eleni tells Paris that their story will be a song sung by the future generations, showing that poetry was for such a public performance.Songs that are accompanied with phormix can through the years make the kleos of certain people afthiton . These can also make clear what Homer expects for his composition , to be generated along the years. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279322 FirstChildUserNameTAG: eleni1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T20:26:30Z SecondChildTAG: Good thinking ! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T13:03:39Z SecondChildTAG: It appears to me that Homer alludes to previous epics, displaying skill in weaving the stories together to enhance the story as a whole. We see this done frequently in current literature, movies, and music. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278935 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dawnEC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T22:53:18Z FirstChildTAG: I would site the examples of Achilles, Andromace and Kleopatra. As far as the Iliad is concerned,this is what an epic contains, songs of laments as well as the telling of the story through a master narrator in exactly the same way that the participants/audience feel the same sorrows when they hear them being recited.It is a way of performing the narrative.This is the common thread in all the songs of lament.Also the different songs of lament set us up for what is to come as in Andromache's first lament which is a premonition of Hector's death. Achilles, too is making a prediction through singing the Klea Andron. We can also see how Kleopatra's singing to Meleagros predicts what will happen if the city is taken over and how the people will suffer if Meleagros refuses to fight.The laments become sorrowful predictors or consequences of actions/inactions. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1262778 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bhatiar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T20:38:28Z FirstChildTAG: I'll offer three that seem to be linked by their close relationship to Achilles - and the Iliad itself 1: The opening of the Iliad: Anger,goddess, sing it.. 2: Achilles singing the "glories of men" (9.185-195) 3: The appearance of a singer on Achilles' shield (18.605-610). This is almost the last thing that the god-smith adds to the shield - where listeners will remember it. It seems to me that this last singer is also singing about the glories of men - and might, for that matter, be singing the Iliad. I realise this singer isn't exactly "quoted" in the narrative, in the obvious sense - but perhaps that's partly because he's already "quoting" the whole narrative. (And I admit I rather like the idea of Homer "signing" his work by singing in it himself) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T06:23:26Z SecondChildTAG: It's a cool thought--that the narrator signed his work. I thought the part about Thamyris was also self-reflective (or at least a reminder to respect the muses). I wonder if there are more parts like that. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T05:50:52Z FirstChildTAG: Like several above, I initially chose my laments (the lament of Priam in XXIV starting at 237, and the two short laments by Achilles/Patroklos horses, which I felt might be especially interesting because others – Zeus and Achilles – have to, as it were, read their lines for them). I then re-read the question posed by Prof. Nagy "a character represented as performing a song when he or she is quoted in the narrative" and asked myself a simple question. Is there anywhere in the epic where the character is a) specifically said to be *singing*, rather than lamenting, and b) *quoted*. There are of course plenty of laments, and Prof. Nagy has demonstrated most clearly that these are song, but Homer never actually says so. The word ἀείδω is used only a very few times. The Muses sing, of course. The Achaeans sing paeans on the beach (I.472), Achilles sings in the tent, a boy sings a pleasant song (XVIII.569) and the Achaeans sing of victory (XX.391), but *none* of them are quoted. Even Thamyris the Thracian who tried to compete with the muses is not quoted (I.595). That means that, so far as I can tell, essentially, every song in the Iliad *which is quoted* is a lament. But what we know of the Iliad is that, at least in the 5th Century, it was spoken, rather than sung. Thus the laments could perhaps be recited in a special dramatic voice (like the Korean narrator in Ch'unhiang), or actually sung, but the bulk of the rest of the text would have to be recited using some dramatic form of mimesis. What Prof. Nagy quotes Martin as saying is that "narratives within the master Narrative of the Iliad contain markers for and about the listeners of the master Narrative". So we should look also at the listeners. Those who listen to the laments in the narrative are under pressure. Their response must be spoken mimesis, not song, which puts them in a weak position relative to the mourner. Some, like Meleagros, cave in, and fulfil the demands of the mourner. Others, like Hector, ignore or reject the supplicant, and go on to fulfil their kleos (an antithesis of penthos). Other cases may demand other emotional responses (see below). But all are affected by the mourner. After all, the whole point of threnody is that the listener is a participant in the act of mourning. Likewise, then, the audience of the Iliad as a whole is affected by the master-narrative, and must become participants in the emotions of the performance. Just as the audience in Ch'unhiang is affected by the master-narrator's relation of the girl's beating, so the listeners of the rhapsode chanting the Iliad feel the emotions of the characters in the narrative, mourn when mourning song occurs, desire kleos when the character desires kleos, and so on. This means that when a character in the narrative is listening to a mourner, the audience simultaneously hears the mourner, and identifies with the character listening, who like them is affected by the mourner. Thus, for instance, the whole court, and then the sons of Priam, are listening to Priam's angry mourning for his son Hector. They should be afraid, and the fear will transmit to the audience doubly, once directly from the furious words of Priam, once again from the fearful reactions of his listeners. As the story progresses, the lament comes and goes, receding into an almost conversational tone with Hermes, but eventually culminating in the supplicant lament addressed to Achilles (485 – 513). This lament bursts over Achilles, who in his turn also begins to lament, and soon they are weeping in each other's arms, at which point both Priam and Achilles are equally mourners and audience for each other's threnody. Here the reaction of Achilles is one of deep sorrow, of the audience/listeners one of even deeper sorrow, because now they feel with both Priam and Achilles simultaneously, responding to the “markers for and about the listeners” as well as to the mourners themselves; that is, the audience will respond to Priam's mourning both directly from Priam's words, and indirectly through Achilles, and to Achilles mourning directly from his words, and indirectly through Priam's emotional response. This constitutes a massive amplification of the emotional content of the scene. In the case of the horses, for instance in their first lament (XVII.430 ff.), when the words of the lament/song are supplied by Zeus, we have a very special effect. Here the master narrator must sing the words sung by Zeus on behalf of the horses who are necessarily silent mourners. Zeus acts as an audience for the horses, at once reporting their “words” and responding to them explicitly, thus simultaneously showing his own emotional response as well as their emotions, and his understanding of what they are feeling, as well as the empathic response he has to the horses' mourning. I would suggest that this has the effect of even further amplifying the emotion for the audience. The overall effect then, just like Ch'unhiang, must, I think, be an amplification of the emotion felt, and the sheer number and extent of the laments in the Iliad mean that the audience/listeners are going to feel a great deal of sorrow and anger during the performance. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T20:31:23Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Brian, Your interpretation of the original question differs from mine. This is my thinking: Since the *Iliad* is a product of song culture, it was sung. Since we are told that the Master Narrator is connected to the Muses thus that he "totally recalls" [*memnēmai*], when he quotes within the Narrative, he performs that action/those words as they were originally. Therefore, I took it to mean that all quotes were sung and therefore were sung by their original actor (in the sense of the person doing the action; that Hector himself sung, Thetis herself sung). Therefore, I took anything that was denoted by quotations to mean an example of something that was sung. I didn't (although I see your point completely) look for the word "sing" or its variants in the text. Perhaps I missed the point here? Also, I interpreted the passage about Martin's work to suggest that cultural and moral information was transmitted to the audience/participants through the micro-narrative. Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T20:50:31Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Brian, The passage that we have in Hour 3 leading up to Andromache's second lament: > [475] But when she recovered her breathing and her life’s breath gathered in her heart, 476 she started to **sing** a lament in the midst of the Trojan women. ‘Woe is me, O Hector; woe, indeed... *Iliad*, Scroll XXII This is the only mention that I can find where "sing" is mentioned in the text association with a quote. But surely we know that all laments are sung. Is this the point of the question - that the singing of lament carries a special marker to the audience/participants in the performance of the song of the *Iliad*? The intense emotions connected to this ritual, but also spontaneous, act? Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T21:18:19Z SecondChildTAG: No Jennifer, I don't think you missed the point at all. I think part of the problem is that nobody really has a firm definition of "song" in this context. The mourner sings (perhaps like the Hungarian lament in the video-clip). The narrator sings (how? Some kind of chant perhaps, a stylized performance like the Korean film, or actual singing, like the Erotokritos if you have seen the clips on YouTube?). I don't think we have any very clear definition here, beyond the idea that it is not a normal speech mode, but at all events I feel I should focus on the listener more than the singer, because that is what is indicated by the quotation. I think some things in the text are more song than others - mourning especially is a special kind of song at least. There are, from time to time, scenes which are quite conversational - it would be hard to describe these as "song" in the sense of aria, but it might still be possible to compare them to the recitativo of opera, in between arias. Your point about prayers is definitely relevant, though one thing we do know about Homer is that the religious content (prayer, sacrifice and so on) is highly formalized to avoid variety of local practices perhaps. Define song... As for Martin, I am sure there are cultural markers here, many and many again. Moral markers are harder - it is so very difficult (at least for me) not to read morals into the text that might or might not exist. But there are also many emotional markers, and I was interested above all in the response of the audience to the torture scene in Ch'unhiang, and how that might play out in the context of an ancient Greek audience's emotional response to the epic. Perhaps I misread Nagy, and should have focused on the cultural/moral aspects. I don't really know, because I haven't got (and can't get for some time to come) a copy of Martin's work. But Nagy does talk in that paragraph about kleos achieved in a special way, glory achieved through the medium of song, and ultimately it is, I think, the *emotion* of the audience/listeners/participants that perpetuates the kleos, so that it is remembered for all time. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T21:20:04Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Brian, So I have just now listened to the video "What Achilles Sang" in Hour 3, and here Nagy says this (from the transcript): > Because the narrative, the frame narrative, doesn't say what Achilles was singing when he sang the *klea andron* here. But we do know the form, that the form is different from, let's say, the form of the *klea andron* that Phoenix was performing in *Iliad* Nine where clearly, he was not accompanying himself on a lyre, clearly he was not singing. He was "telling" the story of Meleager and Kleopatra. So that's why that telling seems to us closer to epic, which we know from external evidence was not sung and not musically accompanied, at least, let's say in the fifth century. So therefore you must be right. Even though this is "song culture," there can still be the distinction between epic "singing" and the lyric singing that Achilles does in Scroll IX, where we do not know the song and he is not quoted. So then the only "songs" that we do have that are quoted are the laments, but these are a very special kind of song. Oops! That is what I get for skipping ahead. So back to Martin then, the marker then may be the presence of the lyre, or the statement that a character will begin her or his lament? That denotes a different type of action from the other parts of the performance. Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T04:12:07Z SecondChildTAG: A lament marker could also be the destruction of something organised such as ripping off you head dress and letting your hair down, tearing at your cloths or throwing down your amour ...all of these could be outward sign of your inward turmoil that vocalizes the start of lament. It may be that with close inspection and knowledge of the text and language it could be possible to determine that the words of a lament are as disrupted as the singers emotional state, has anyone noticed this? Does the rhythm change compared to the rest of the song? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1098398 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Susanmj SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T05:30:27Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Brian and Jennifer, I am wondering how the lament (so song) of Zeus for Sarpedon fits in with all this? Or perhaps it is too off-topic? The sequence begins with the narrator invoking a vivid analogy: *with cries like eagle-beaked crooked-taloned vultures that scream and tear $\ldots$* Then the narrator explains that *Zeus feels pity*. Zeus says to his wife and sister Hera, > Alas, that it should be the lot of Sarpedon whom I love so dearly to perish $\ldots$. At this point Zeus then considers a choice for Sarpedon just like the options Thetis considers in her lament for Achilles (in Scroll I): a homecoming or quick death. Hera responds explicitly with a message that seems to cover some central themes, and then she advises: > If you are fond of him and pity him, let him indeed fall $\ldots$, but as soon as the life is gone, send Death and sweet Sleep to bear him off the field and take him to $\ldots$ Lycia, where his brothers and his kinsmen will give him a funeral, and will raise both mound and pillar, in due honor of the dead. Then the mighty Zeus agrees and *weeps tears of blood*: > he shed a rain of blood upon the earth in honor of his son $\ldots$ (Is there anything else like this in the Iliad?) Then the scene reverts abruptly to Patrokles and Sarpedon fighting and a chain reaction begins: Sarpedon is killed by Patrokles is killed by Hector is killed by Achilles is eventually killed But it all begins with the sacrifice by Zeus of his own son (singled out for him in a similar way that Patrokles is singled out for Achilles). Hera's message seems to be that this has to happen to maintain a balance of restraint among the gods. Perhaps this is a message to Zeus and to the epic participants that justifies what comes: *order in the cosmos somehow requires the sacrifice of all these heroes.* Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T05:31:52Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Hal, That passage between Zeus and Hera about Sarpedon was like nothing else we have read so far. We know that Zeus was upset over the circumstances of Herakles' birth and his subsequent tortured life, but here at the moment of death we see a vivid display of emotion from Zeus. I am thinking back to the passage I selected in the "favorite" thread, where Zeus' emotions (anger at the miscarriage of justice by humans) overwhelm the scene. While in that passage Zeus is active, and here he is passive, they both recall this sense of *order in the cosmos* to me. Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T11:48:55Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Hal - long time no see! Jennifer, and all. We're *all* being very obtuse here. The marker is the word "houtōs" which signals the beginning of the special micro-narrative. Read on a few lines in H24H, and all is clear!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T19:45:09Z SecondChildTAG: Oh goodness, I now recall this from the video. The analogy was "once upon a time" is a marker that shows a certain type of story for us, a fairy tale. Now in the video, I took away that houtōs was marking a story that is *ainos*. Here is the passage from Hour 2 of H24H: > 2§38. Similarly, as we have already seen in Hour 1, *kleos* means not just glory but glory achieved by way of using the medium of song. This medium is a way of speaking in a special way, of using special speech. On this subject, I cite an essential work by Richard Martin: he shows that narratives within the master Narrative of the *Iliad* contain markers for and about the listeners of the master Narrative. [18] > 2§39. So a special way of speaking, a special speech, marks what is being performed, not just said. Here I repeat the essential wording in Text B, *Iliad* IX 524-525, where Phoenix says: >|524 This is how [***houtōs***] we [= I, Phoenix] learned it, the glories [*klea*] of men [*andrōn*] of an earlier time [*prosthen*], |525 who were heroes [*hērōes*], whenever one of them was overcome by tempestuous anger. >The epic poetry of kleos is a performance. And, as we have seen, this performance is figured as **a kind of singing**. >2§40. We moderns need to keep in mind that some of the things we tend to do in everyday ways, like remembering something, can be done differently in premodern societies. We have already seen an example in ancient Greek song culture, where the total recall of something can be accomplished by singing it. More generally, **singing something can be the same thing as doing something in the world of some song cultures**. So a lament is a certain type of song, and an ainos is a certain type of song. Are there others? Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T20:12:10Z SecondChildTAG: And the markers in the tent scene is that he is singing the klea andron, but using a phorminx, so it is lyric. As for whether there are other types of song, I think so far we seem to have - epos (markers: invocation to muse - aeide thea, moi ennepe mousa, memnemai, kleos?) - lyric (marker - a lyre? is that enough - I doubt it; there must be other possible markers) - ainos (marker: houtōs - and surely others?) - penthos (markers: akhos, penth-, lissesthai) - prayer (as in the hecatomb offerings for Khryseis, markers: paiēōn (=paean), invocation to gods, association of aeidō with sacrifice or prayer) Undefinable - the plain dancing song of the boy on Achilles shield singing the Linos song? (marker: aeidō??) Or would that count as lyric? Anyway, since Homer specifies the song, and the context (dancing etc) he hardly needs a marker. More? Wouldn't surprise me. Any offers? Perhaps we should start a "marker list" thread? But I think I want to read Martin first (weeks away by inter-library loan!) to be sure I understand this properly. Is it just individual lexical markers, or are there also whole phrases, and grammatical and syntactic markers? Rhythmic markers apply outside Homer (lyric and so on) but not within the Poet's work because everything, regardless of intended form, is dactylic hexameter. And this is going to take an awful lot of checking - to be sure of our ground, we would have to search every instance of potential markers, and match them off micro-narrative by micro-narrative... And just to make this even more complex - each form has, not one emotional register, but its own *range* of possible emotional registers. Ouch! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T21:08:21Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Brian, Yes! I was just commenting more about this below on Dimitra's post. I had thought about penthos and akhos - and thank you for these others. It seems that the Martin text is posted online at CHS: http://chs.harvard.edu/wa/pageR?tn=ArticleWrapper&bdc=12&mn=3366 So perhaps you need not wait for ILL after all?! Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T21:24:00Z SecondChildTAG: Hello all, I was hust thinking that many markers could be traced in the posture are gestures both of the Master Narrator and the charactres as performers. Dimitra SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T07:55:30Z SecondChildTAG: @ Jennifer, Hi and thanks a million. Will start reading a.s.a.p.!! @ Dimitra Yes, nice thought, but unfortunately, unless you can get one back from his grave, or take a quick trip, like Odysseus, down to the house of Hades... More seriously, what iconography is there of singers, rhapsodists, epodoi or lyricists? Vases and pots might tell us a bit. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T11:14:49Z SecondChildTAG: @ Dimitra on faces, here and below. Tragedy! Masks! These are obvious markers and confirm what you say about facial expressions in the most obvious way. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T11:55:11Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Jennifer and Brian, I agree that material culture may provide additional evidence on the actual performances. Vase painting, postures, clothing, hear dressing, implements and objects held by performers that survive through material representations may provide some evidence. Moreover, representations of the Heroes or Gods may contain links on the Homeric descriptions and by extension ways of performing. I wonder if a performer of Homeric Epos would take a specific posture whenever a God was speaking and so on. A great part of the evidence have been lost forever, although I believe that close material culture studies may offer evidence to support such theories. Brian Tragedy was indeed in my mind when I proposed faces in the framework of performance. I was thinking of tragedy chorus on the third lament of Andromache, where she sings her lament and afterwards the other women join her. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T12:51:56Z SecondChildTAG: @ Dimitra, Hi again! Your number theory has come up trumps! But the result is so far off the topic at the topic of this page, that after some thought I decided to post it in another thread entirely [Stuck on mēnis. Is this some kind of taboo issue?][1]. Let me know if you can't get there! [1]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/5155d04f95d6061200000253 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T18:55:43Z SecondChildTAG: Tragedy - So was I. Next week I have to teach Medea to my students... What I'm teaching them seems to be changing rapidly as I learn this semester! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T20:06:25Z SecondChildTAG: PS my syllabi are all completely shot... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T20:30:13Z SecondChildTAG: :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T00:01:47Z FirstChildTAG: It's interesting, when I think about the three primary examples: Kleopatra's lament, Achilles, and Andromache's they all seem tied together and are speaking to one another. For example, Achilles' lyre is tied to Andromache's first lament where she speaks about him killing her father. Andromache's lament of premonition also parallels Kleopatra's because they are both women foretelling doom for themselves and people. Maybe the text itself is showing us how it speaks to itself, and how we speak to it? Maybe Achilles is singing about his own death and doom as the other two seem to be? Just some thoughts. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1486302 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nicolenevins FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:50:29Z SecondChildTAG: I second your point, there is a connection between these stories, a modern day equivalent would be the theory of six degrees of separation, although the internet may have made that even less. Or maybe the butterfly effect where if I do something now then it affect what you do in a few day times. This maybe the influence of fate giving the hero choices how to behave and where to turn. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1098398 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Susanmj SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T05:01:04Z SecondChildTAG: This is interesting, Nicole. I am still too new at The Iliad to respond to this well, but your observation makes me think about how The Iliad is the kleos of Achilles despite the fact that Hektor has a heckuva lot more screen time--we know his entire family, we watch him fight throughout the entire book, we watch him die, we watch him mourned. And the poem is called, The Iliad, not The Achaead (or whatever it should be). By comparison, Achilles has almost a cameo performance. And yet, it's Achilles' story. Told through Hektor. Told through Agamemnon. Told through Andromache. In a previous post, donl2013 asked if the Ancient Greeks practiced call-and-response singing and I pointed out that Apollo and the muses do just that at the end of Scroll I. I wonder if there is a kind of call-and-response singing happening at the macro-level too. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T06:06:13Z SecondChildTAG: About a quarter of the laments seem to be premonitions. At some point, we're clearly going to have to have a look at the nature of time, mortal, heroic, and immortal. Mnemosyne knows all things, past present and future... Not this week though, maybe? Incidentally, you've given me a positively evil idea for an writing exercise for my mid-level Latin students. Write a few lines of verse about something that *might* happen (a premonition) as though it *might have happened*... conjunctives galore? They'll really hate you for it though :( SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T20:15:00Z SecondChildTAG: This is a very interesting idea Nicole! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1346024 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KaterinaM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T15:14:25Z FirstChildTAG: My final selection of three characters performing a song in the Iliad became difficult since at one point I had a trouble in separating what sung ‘type’ I should focus on. This confusion is explicitly discussed by Brian and Jennifer above. Lack of defining of the kind of song required here has rendered the whole selection somewhat inflexible. So, in advance I would like to discuss the criteria I finally considered in order to reach a decision. One the one hand I can perceive as singing the parts where the Master Narrator says that the character sung, klea andron, a Lament, or any other type of song. On the other hand as a song culture the Epic was sung in terms of stylized speech as beautifully described in R. Martin’s The Language of Heroes (Chap.3, Heroes as performers). From this title chapter I decided to focus rather on the word perform as referred into the original question. > Can you think of at least three examples in the Iliad where a > character is represented as performing a song when he or she is quoted > in the narrative? Performance is what the Master Narrator was doing and as this is a song culture I can imagine him using a stylized speech body movements postures and gestures or even maybe performance paraphernalia. In this respect when the Master Narrator is quoting a character who performs his speech in this stylized manner. R. Martin argues that the performing character > is not something imposed by an "author." Heroes are their own authors, > performers in every sense. Taking the above into account my first example couldn’t be other than Achilles who is singing in his tend in order to divert his heart. > 185] The two of them reached the shelters and the ships of the > Myrmidons, 186 and they found Achilles diverting his heart [phrēn] as > he was playing on a clear-sounding lyre [phorminx], 187 a beautiful > one, of exquisite workmanship, and its cross-bar was of silver. 188 It > was part of the spoils that he had taken when he destroyed the city of > Eëtion, 189 and he was now diverting his heart [thūmos] with it as he > was singing [aeidein] theglories of men [klea andrōn]. [190] Patroklos > was the only other person there. He [= Patroklos] sat in silence, > facing him [= Achilles], 191 and waiting for the Aeacid [= Achilles] > to leave off singing [aeidein]. 192 Meanwhile the two of them came in > - radiant Odysseus leading the way - 193 and stood before him. Achilles sprang up from his seat 194 with the lyre [phorminx] still in > his hand, [195] and Patroklos, when he saw the guests, rose also. > Iliad IX 185-195. This text is extensively discussed both in the H24H and many discussion threads. One could argue that in this case the singing action is very powerful firstly because we are not told exactly which klea andron Achilles sung and secondly the use of the lyre may enhance the visualization of singing. In a way the main concern is that Achilles is singing klea andron and not the micro-narrative expressed via the media of singing, although it is implied, and thus existent (see Hour 3§31). Here is made explicit that klea andron were sung. This may be a marker that klea andron, like the Iliad were perceived as sung in poetic speech to the listeners. The extended description of the lyre is not only to connect the object to Eetion and the Lament of Andromache, but is also used in Acilles’ sung performance. Patroklos is experiencing the performance and also waits for his turn to come. This is an experience that both Achilles and Patroklos are experiencing, in reciprocal way, since the performer will soon become the viewer and vice versa (see Hour 2§30, 31). The experiencing of the sung klea andron may be perceived as another marker to the listeners who are also experiencing the performance. Moreover we could say that the Epic performances, in a way, were diverting the listeners hearts, when sung by the Master Narrator, for at least one of their aspect was a performed kind of entertainment. The second example comes from scroll three (215-224) when Menelaos and Odysseus visit Troy: > resourceful Odysseus, on the other hand, when he rose to speak, was at > first silent and kept his eyes fixed upon the ground. There was no > play nor graceful movement of his scepter; he kept it straight and > stiff like a man unpracticed in oratory – [220] one might have taken > him for a mere churl or simpleton; but when he raised his voice, and > the words came driving from his deep chest like winter snow before the > wind, then there was none to touch him, and no man thought further of > what he looked like." Iliad III, 215-224. This example is used in R, Martin’s The Language of Heroes (Chap.3, Heroes as performers). Here I am concentrating on Odysseus, and performance. The performer uses his scepter to capture the audience, not in a graceful way but in a very dynamic one. (see R, Martin, Chap.3, para.14). This is a performing act I find very strong. When Odysseus finally starts his performed speech **there is no one to touch him** (I feel shattered every time I read this). Moreover Odysseus speech compared **to winter snow before the wind** can be perceived not as conventional speaking but stylized sung speech. My third example is a comparison of two laments, one made by a woman and one by a man. I am talking of course about the third lament of Andromache and the lament of Achilles the moment he finds out about Patroklos' death. This comparison is relevant to some affinities in the laments succession. At first both Andromace and Odysseus are disfiguring themselves making conventional movements of lament. > 468 She threw far from her head the splendid adornments that bound her > hair 469 - her frontlet [ampux], her snood [kekruphalos], her plaited > headband [anadesmē], [470] and, to top it all, the headdress > [krēdemnon] that had been given to her by golden Aphrodite Iliad XXII, > 468-470) > > > A dark cloud of grief [akhos] fell upon Achilles as he listened. He > filled both hands with dust from off the ground, and poured it over > his head, disfiguring his comely face, [25] and letting the refuse > settle over his khiton so fair and new. He flung himself down all huge > and hugely at full length, and tore his hair with his hands. Iliad > XVIII, 24-25). Following Andromache is singing a lament in public surrounded by other women. > [475] But when she recovered her breathing and her life’s breath > gathered in her heart, 476 she started to sing a lament in the midst > of the Trojan women. ‘Woe is me…. Iliad XXII, 475. Achilles is crying in public surrounded by bondswomen and Antiokhos. > The bondswomen whom Achilles and Patroklos had taken captive wailed > aloud for grief, [30] beating their breasts, and with their limbs > failing them for sorrow. Antilokhos bent over him the while, weeping > and holding both his hands as he lay groaning for he feared that he > might plunge a knife into his own throat. Then valiant Achilles gave a > loud cry Iliad XVIII, 29-34. Achilles is heard by his mother and she comes to find him after listening to his cries. > Fleet Achilles groaned and answered, “Mother, Olympian Zeus has indeed > granted me the fulfillment of my prayer, but what good is it to me, > seeing that my dear comrade Patroklos has fallen [80] = he whom I > valued more than all others, and loved as dearly as my own life? I > have lost him; yes, and Hector when he had killed him stripped the > wondrous armor, so glorious to behold, which the gods gave to Peleus > [85] when they laid you in the couch of a mortal man. Would that you > were still dwelling among the immortal sea-nymphs, and that Peleus had > taken to himself some mortal bride. For now you shall have grief > [penthos] infinite by reason of the death of that son [90] whom you > can never welcome home- I tell you, I will not live nor go about among > humankind unless Hector fall by my spear, and thus pay me for having > slain Patroklos son of Menoitios Iliad XVIII, 77-94. Achilles groaned and answered. This may imply the well-known (much discussed) lament where the crying voice meets song patterns. At the end of Andromache’s lament other women are joining her. > [515] In this way did she cry aloud amid her tears, and the women > joined in her lament. Iliad XXII, 515. Finally in the following morning when Thetis arrives finds Achilles weeping over the dead body of Achilles, and his followers are weeping along with him, much like women joined Andromache’s lament. > She found her son fallen about the body of Patroklos [5] and weeping > bitterly. Many also of his followers were weeping round him Iliad XIX, > 5. Here I would like to show the whole performance in public, consisted by lament conventional gestures and the crying-singing action-public performance. Furthermore, in the end the other present women join Andromache’s lament. In many cases of lament songs, there is a woman (the closest relative in most cases) that sings and then the rest are accompanying her. At this point I can’t help thinking about the Greek tragedy performance, where the coryphaeus is starting and the chorus accompanies him. These laments share some affinities concerning their layout in terms of event succession. The self-disfiguring/disorganizing via conventional gestures would inflict emotion to the listeners. The listeners are (in a sense) being part of the public that experiences the Heroes’ lament. Vivid body gestures and cry may be seen as a powerful body expression that is experienced by the listeners’ body and senses. In conclusion I attempted to show three kinds of Heroes as performers in examples that contain markers for and about the listeners. But what does such a performance of a song tell us about the performance of the Iliad itself? I could start by perceiving the medium of Epic song culture as a performance that is addressing to the listeners as experience sensed by their mind, body and senses. The listeners become part of the listeners addressed by the Heroes’ themselves. Each audience inside the Iliad is met in a different context, but the listeners each time are part of this different context, taking part in a succession of emotional modes. Furthermore, the Muses are singing to the Master Narrator, he is performing the exact poetic words, and then these are experienced by the listeners projecting images in their senses and mind. The characters are alive and perform in the Iliad in different manners and they compose the Hero concept as perceived, performed and even worshiped in the Ancient Greek social context. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T06:12:02Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Dimitra, You selected exceptionally expressive passages! I wonder about what Brian suggested up at his post a little earlier - about words as markers for the audience as well. Although it seems safe(?) to assume that the performer might have changed his way of speaking, depending on the character and context, I forgot (already!) what we learned in Hour 2 about specific words that tell us the type of speech that follows will be special. Brian points out *houtōs*, and so *akhos* and *penthos* might also be other word markers, to alert the audience/participants of a special type of singing? Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T21:17:11Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Jennifer, I think you are right. I think there are many more markers which indicate that the character will perform and I see the interesting thread above. Here I am especially concerned with perform and character (I mean I tried to quote characters from the Epic rather than unnamed persons singing) So I tried to stick to the question. I cannot answer in your question about the Master Narrator changing his voice, but I can see totally your point. Maybe that was the case and I think that too. Ahkos and penhos could be considered as markers for a lament. I wonder if there were markers made by the *Narrators postures and gestures*, or even faces! We could be missing half of the performance evidence!! Dimitra SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T07:42:36Z SecondChildTAG: Except from written markers can we possibly perceive as markers specific postures and gestures made by the characters? In the same way that micro-narratives contain *houtos*? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T07:45:55Z SecondChildTAG: And a good deal of what you say above goes straight to good old Aristotelian rhetoric - the bidirectional relationship btw ethos and pathos. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T20:32:33Z FirstChildTAG: I have enjoyed all the comments and offer these as a sort of thinking out loud that seems to be encouraged by this medium. Is it possible that the only kind of song in the Iliad that gets sung "onstage" is that of lament or that the entire work consists of an epic narrative uniting a series of laments? There are other kinds of songs in the Iliad, such as the paean or song of thanksgiving to Apollo sung by the Myrmidons at the death of Hector in XXII, but these are not sung as part of the master narrative. Are the performed Klea Andron always laments for the loss of the heroes of the olden days? Kleopatra (as we have seen, a name directly related to klea andron) is nicknamed Halcyon after the bird that witnesses and sings of the destruction of polities. This bird, presented in some sources as the kingfisher (that, incidentally, lives in holes in the earth, not in the sky or trees) acts as a kind of muse of death or the underworld. Thus Kleopatra is compared to and identified with a primary source of lament itself and with the prophecy of destruction that comes with defeat in war. Her second name is a prefiguring of Andromache's own name, sorrow for the [destruction of the] people and for Achilles, whose name means the same thing, just as her first name is a prefiguring of Patroclus'name. It would seem to follow that the klea andron that Achilles is singing to the lyre is a lament, of his and his audience's sorrow and anger at the loss of what they value most. They must lose what they value most because they must choose between enjoyment of the good life offered by the city and the heroic task of giving up their lives to show the way beyond and outside of it. In addition, if the mention of singing signals survival of a form of performance predating the epic of Homeric times, it may be that the songs that are presented in the Iliad of any type, whether recorded or just mentioned, are fragments of the earliest version of the story linked by the transformed epic master narrative, itself originally sung to the lyre. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055942 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GWorsham FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T06:29:35Z SecondChildTAG: Your last comment: yes, I think you are right, but perhaps it goes further than that. If you look at survivals like the Sumerian epics, you find chunks of the same stories coming up in several different versions in different epics. An epic, we are told, need not be long at all (Hour 4), so there is no reason, I think, why some of the micro-narratives could not be individual epics in their own right. Fragments, that is, of one Homeric proto-Iliad, or range of proto-Iliads, but also fragments of a whole range of lost epics. Certainly some, the story of Herakles, for instance, are like this, so why not all? What do you think? As for uniting a series of laments, "Achilles" is akhos + laos (woe of/for the tribe). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T20:25:14Z FirstChildTAG: All these good comments have my mind spinning, however one of the things that keeps returning to me is the development of Achilles through his laments. When first encountered - at least for me- Achilles seems more god-like in his emotions: vain, capricious and easily angered when crossed. His early laments concern Briseis and they are more anger driven. He seems more angry at the loss of honor than he is at the loss of "her". I put "her" in quotes since most of the time he neglects even to say her name. Not sure of the chronology (first time reading the Iliad and it is a bit daunting), but then we have Achilles singing the lament of Andromache by way of her father's lyre. Since Achilles has killed him and taken his lyre for his own (a trophy like Briseis) he is not particularly grieved over Eetion - that is until he sings the Klea Andron. Then by this performance he becomes one with the lament. He evolves empathically so that when Patroklos laments to him about the death of his brave comrades, Achilles is moved with grief at the sight of his friend's sorrow. However he is angry enough to still decline to fight. He is still angry enough that when he offers the ritual cup of wine to Zeus - it is half a prayer and half a rebuke. At this point his emotional half-god/half human state is necessary to the macro-narrative as it frames the situation where Achilles lets Patroklos fight in his armor/his place, but again in a limited and specifically defined framework. It seems that with the killing of the Amazon, that Achilles is finally seen to be personally lamenting - more sorrow than anger - over the loss of life. Granted he is sorrowful because the Amazon is the symbol of his own life, but it seems to me to show that he is now transforming more to emotions of pity and grief. The more grief he feels, the more mortal/human he becomes. Finally, although I have yet to read about it, Achilles loses Patroklos and this is the purest lament, the lament for which he now knows he has lost everything, the lament where he becomes totally one with grief and his mortality. Finally there is something that is greater than his life. His love and grief make him at his most human so that his sacrifice of his life is the utmost sacrifice he could ever make. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1114557 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JacquiRenee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T14:07:08Z SecondChildTAG: Your thoughts are very interesting! I think that, what is true for Achilles, is true for all humans. When we experience loss and grief, we become less arrogant and self -centered, thus we become more humane. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1346024 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KaterinaM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T15:21:41Z FirstChildTAG: Did the response I spent the last 45 minutes thinking/writing vanish upon pressing submit button. Not happy if so FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T17:18:15Z SecondChildTAG: That is frustrating! That has happened to me too and so over the years I made it a habit to write any lengthy respond in a word document and then just copy and paste in. This way I do not have to recreate it - if even I could - if the posting does not work. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1114557 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JacquiRenee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T17:48:21Z SecondChildTAG: thanks - i was hoping if left the computer for an hour, it would appear when i returned - nada SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T19:10:05Z SecondChildTAG: I have seen several people have submitted response disappear. The staff and engineers are away of the problem. But for now the only solution is to always make a copy of your post. I write it and copy it to a text editor before pressing submit. It seems to happen just after you submit it; there is a chance that staying on the submission page and not moving away may increase its chance of survival. Best of Luck! Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T05:40:20Z SecondChildTAG: I had this happen once, but both times, I had also typed in another entry box. The result was that when I hit one submit button, the other post naturally was ignored. I'm a bit more careful now, and anyway if the post's going to be more than a few lines, I prep it in a word processor and copy-paste it in when I'm done. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T20:34:48Z SecondChildTAG: I have had two posts disappear too. I submitting them successfully, saw them in the thread, and then returned later and they were gone. I have been taking to keeping a copy of lengthy or detailed posts in a text file too. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T00:03:51Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks, All! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T05:41:10Z FirstChildTAG: The three examples that come to mind are; 1. When Thesis asks Achilles to return home instead of going to battle. 2. The laments of Andromache. 3. Achilles strumming Eetion's lyre as he sings the klea andron. In the last example, there is not a narration of what was sung by Achilles, only the fact that he was singing of the kleas andron, the glories of men. These illustrations represent how the micro-narratives mirror and sometimes foretells the macro-narrative. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060104 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sylviasantana1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T17:34:38Z FirstChildTAG: After finishing H24H-H3, I would chose the three laments of Andromache. As Jennifer pointed out: _Even though this is "song culture," there can still be the distinction between epic "singing" and the lyric singing that Achilles does in Scroll IX, where we do not know the song and he is not quoted. So then the only "songs" that we do have that are quoted are the laments, but these are a very special kind of song._ Other random things come to mind from reading these posts, H24H, and _The Iliad_ itself: * In Scroll III, when Menelaos drags Alexandros "by the horsehair plume of his helmet" and the strap breaks off, can we associate this with the ripping off of a womans' headress? It's a striking scene. * Can we say that we have a song culture in the United States with African-Americans and the Blues? And what about what about the call-and-response singing/preaching you can find in many black churches? Here's one spirited example from _The Color Purple_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFTitXRVM0Y * During the silent era, many films were narrated especially in countries outside the U.S. In Japan, you can still find such narrators, or benshi, the most well-known being a woman--Midori Sawato (who may have retired recently): http://vimeo.com/38700199. She would probably make a pretty good narrator of _The Iliad_. Genghis FirstChildUserIdTAG: 5002 FirstChildUserNameTAG: genghis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T18:07:06Z SecondChildTAG: Totally agree about song culture associated with African-Americans. When they were brought over as slaves, there were so many different tribes and dialects that the only common denominator of communication were sounds of vowels - so these became the uniting form of communication - songs known as field hollers. To ease the pain while working, all could join in when singing "aaaaaayyy", "oooooh" etc. From this evolved the blues. Songs of struggle and hardships through sounds of great beauty. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1114557 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JacquiRenee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T18:22:05Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Genghis, The Midori Sawato video is so interesting, and I think very relevant. I did not know of this tradition before. She has a beautiful voice, and in the short clip of her actually performing, she seems (to my ears at least) to be singing. Thank you for sharing it! Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T02:54:26Z SecondChildTAG: I found the Midori Sawato clip totally fascinating. I will certainly search for more things that she has done. This class is being an education in more ways than anticipated. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T03:40:18Z SecondChildTAG: > This class is being an education in more ways than anticipated. I agree completely! It is amazing! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T04:20:19Z SecondChildTAG: What a wonderful clip of Midori Sawato! Yes, she would make a brilliant Iliad performer. (The beginning ot the clip gave me the familiar old shudder: it is the scene where Hagen, Alberic's son. murders Siegfried, hitting him with his spear in the back while he is drinking at a source. I saw this scene as a kid in a movie and ever since, I have found it hard to bend over my bathtub to turn the water on and off - I always throw a short glance in the bathroom behind me, feeling very stupid as I do so: the sheer power of epic stories!! My first experience of a traitor killing a hero, so sad and revolting.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T06:56:13Z SecondChildTAG: Just viewed the Midori clip - thank you so much for posting it! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1114557 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JacquiRenee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T21:08:42Z SecondChildTAG: I want to thank all of you for your valuable contributions! It is so nice to be in the company of such intelligent, passionate and interesting people! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1346024 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KaterinaM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T15:27:18Z FirstChildTAG: The Professor argues that Homeric poetry needs to be rethought in the light of the women's song traditions that pervade it. Let's take the three examples of Andromache in scrolls 6, 22, and 24 as typical. These passages represent the insecure position of women in Homeric society, where prosperity depended on a male. Indeed, it is highly ironic that Homer and persons who sung the Illiad were no doubt exclusively male, as far as I know, and yet it is the song tradition of women which they have appropriated in telling the story. Is this not more than irony, but also a gendered attempt not only to control the life of women, but also their very narrative? After all, what becomes an 'appropriate' female lament is now controlled and defined by Homer and poets like him. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1181964 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dooodah FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T18:33:14Z FirstChildTAG: 3 passages came instantly to my mind: the 3 laments for Hector in the last rhapsody of Iliad by Andromache (Hector's wife), Hecuba (Hector's mother) and Helen (Hector's "sister-in-law"). [Andromache's lament is too big, so I will not quote all of it] 1) Andromache's lament > “Husband,” she cried, “you have died young, and leave me in your house a widow; he of whom we are the ill-starred parents is still a mere child, and I fear he may not reach manhood. Ere he can do so our city will be razed and overthrown, for you who watched over it are no more – you who were its savior, the guardian of our wives and children. Sourcebook of Ancient Greek Texts in English Translation, *Iliad* XXIV 725-730 2) Hecuba's lament > "Hector,” she cried, “dearest to me of all my children. So long as you were alive the gods loved you well, and even in death they have not been utterly unmindful of you; for when swift-footed Achilles took any other of my sons, he would sell him beyond the seas, to Samos, Imbros, or rugged Lemnos; and when he had taken away with his sword your life-breath [psukhē] as well, many a time did he drag you round the tomb [sēma] of his comrade – though this could not give him life – yet here you lie all fresh as dew, and comely as one whom Apollo has slain with his painless shafts.” Sourcebook of Ancient Greek Texts in English Translation, *Iliad* XXIV 749-760 3) Helen's lament > “Hector,” said she, “dearest of all my brothers-in-law-for I am wife to Alexandros who brought me here to Troy – would that I had died before he did so – twenty years are come and gone since I left my home and came from over the sea, but I have never heard one word of insult or unkindness from you. When another would chide with me, as it might be one of your brothers or sisters or of your brothers’ wives, or my mother-in-law – for Priam was as kind to me as though he were my own father – you would rebuke and check them with words of gentleness and goodwill. Therefore my tears flow both for you and for my unhappy self, for there is no one else in Troy who is kind to me, but all shrink and shudder as they go by me.” Sourcebook of Ancient Greek Texts in English Translation, Iliad XXIV 762-775 I'm not really sure about the second part of the question. The existence of many different kinds of lyric songs (linos, paianas, hymenaios, lament, labor song, uporhima, parthenion) is mentioned in the Homeric epics. I believe this is very important. It gives us information about the vast song culture that existed even before the Homeric epics were written. While the rhapsode is performing the Iliad or the Odyssey, he is carrying the burden of a tradition thousands of years old. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1336128 FirstChildUserNameTAG: psofia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T19:00:29Z FirstChildTAG: Definitely Achilles himself, Kleopatra and Andromache. (so far...) The singing performance of those 3 characters, is giving us the opportunity to think about and to discover/share feelings, emotions, hopes and expectations... they are giving us the opportunity to understand mentalities in order not to have a passive attitude and behavior towards the events that are presented in Iliad, but to participate in them actively... It comes to my mind "khoros" in ancient greek tragedy.. it is as if we are invited to participate as "khoros" but not in order to give more information or to help some imaginery audience to follow the performance... We are the audience! It is an invitation to interpret the emotional and mental actions and reactions of the main characters and from this point of view, we, as "audience", we become as important as these main chacters are! Consequently and at the same time Iliad transforms from a "mythical place" and a story to be told in to a reality of our own(!) where we need to confront fears, insults, sorrows... a place where we may reconstruct hopes and expectations... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 794169 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ChristosMoiss FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T21:03:40Z FirstChildTAG: Hi I can recall two 1. Agamemnon tells of the hero Hereakles 2. Phoenix tells of Achilles in a story FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1391459 FirstChildUserNameTAG: margiegg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T21:04:04Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! like many of my comrades i am going to quote: -the song of Kleopatra told by Phoenix -the first lament of Andromache "an act of premonition" -the second lament of Andromache, when sees the corpse of Hector. I also found, but i am not sure: -Hera cried and spoke to the gods gathered in the house of Zeus. In Iliad XV (100). I watched that micronarratives, performance songs, are smaller epics, very rich each one, plenty of details, with great strenght narrative included into and related with the Master Song of Homer. Thanks. Mónica. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 926923 FirstChildUserNameTAG: z4 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T21:08:38Z FirstChildTAG: Iliad - Troy is a tragic poetry. As tragic, his principal personage (character) is Achilles which means (*Akhi-lāos and which is understood in the specialized language of Homeric poetry to mean 'he who has akhos for the people [lāos]'). Knowing it we can understand initially that, the poetry is shown in a very dramatic way. The songs of sorrows brings the real sense of the deeply performance of the characters. [...] "The two of them reached the shelters and the ships of the Myrmidons, 186 and they found Achilles diverting his heart [phrēn] as he was playing on a clear-sounding lyre [phorminx], 187 a beautiful one, of exquisite workmanship, and its cross-bar was of silver. 188 It was part of the spoils that he had taken when he destroyed the city of Eëtion, 189 and he was now diverting his heart [thūmos] with it as he was singing [aeidein] theglories of men [klea andrōn]. [190] Patroklos was the only other person there. He [= Patroklos] sat in silence, facing him [= Achilles], 191 and waiting for the Aeacid [= Achilles] to leave off singing [aeidein]. 192 Meanwhile the two of them came in - radiant Odysseus leading the way - 193 and stood before him. Achilles sprang up from his seat 194 with the lyre [phorminx] still in his hand, [195] and Patroklos, when he saw the guests, rose also. Achilles then greeted them saying, “All hail and welcome – you must come upon some great matter, you, who for all my anger are still dearest to me of the Achaeans.”[...] [...] "[565] So, right next to her [= Kleopatra], he [= Meleagros] lay down, nursing his anger [kholos] - an anger that brings pains [algea] to the heart [thūmos]. 566 He was angry [kholoûsthai] about the curses [ārai] that had been made by his own mother. She [= Meleagros’s mother Althaea] had been praying to the gods, 567 making many curses [ārâsthai] in her sorrow [akhos] over the killing of her brother [by her son Meleagros]. 568 Many times did she beat the earth, nourisher of many, with her hands, 569 calling upon Hādēs and on terrifying Persephone."[...] [...]|429 Oh, Hector, you who are to me a father, a queen mother, |430 a brother, and a husband in his prime - |431 please, have pity on me; stay here at the fortifications; |432 don't make your child an orphan, and your wife a widow.[...] Through the three examples we find the face of drama (tragedy) itself. The passages shows us out the dramatics circumstances of the characters. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 162926 FirstChildUserNameTAG: danreis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T01:18:34Z FirstChildTAG: 1) The three laments of Andromache are the first ones that come to mind. a) The first one VI (407 – 432) was performed while Hector was still alive and was actually an act of premonition. She is trying to prevent him from leaving her and their child (abandoning them) as he is all she has left (he is in the top of her ascending scale of affection). b) The second one which is the longest and the most artistic, was performed when Hector’s dead body was dragged behind Achilles’ chariot and Andromache rushed as a maenad at the walls of Ilion to witness the horrific scene. (Iliad XXII 477 – 514). The moments are very intense and Andromache is a tragic person as she witnesses not only her beloved husband dead but a horrible scene is taking place in front of her eyes as Achilles drugs his dead body behind his chariot. As we have seen, Aristotle understood the epic of the Iliad to be a prototype of tragedy. This scene gives a very strong visualization of a tragedy scene where Andromache is the protagonist (ripping off her elaborate headdress in a ritual gesture) and the attending women can be seen as the chorus of the tragedy who are also lamenting and participating in her pain. It is a very strong scene. I could even see them as the birds of lament that are the eye-witnesses of the destruction of the city, because lets not forget that Hector is actually the defender of Ilion... after his death the city is going to be lost. The third one (Iliad XXIV 725 – 745)is a formal lament at the funeral of Hector where she is restoring the reputation of the deceased after his ignominious death. 2) The lament of Thetis (the mother of Achilles) (Iliad XVIII 54-59) Once again we see here the Homeric concept of the anthropomorphism that is that their gods not only looked like mortals but had just like the mortals did, passions, desires and feelings. Thus Thetis, just like a mother of a mortal would do, is lamenting for her son who is about to die. An immortal mother who is feeling helpless (just like Zeus when he has to leave Sarpidon to die). The death of their children, the pain “bridges” -in a way- the gap between the mortals and the immortals. 3) The lament of Briseis (Iliad XIX 282 – 302). The lament of Briseis is also heartbreaking as she is lamenting not only for the loss of Patroklos as a physical person but for the last hope that he was conveying after all the sorrows that she had undergone. He had been linked –ever since they had met- with her hope of marrying Achilles and now that hope is gone. Her lament is quoted inside the epic narrative as is the lament of Achilles that is to follow soon after hers. The women (So she [= Briseis] spoke, weeping, and the women kept on mourning in response.) can again here be visualized as the chorus of the tragedy soon to follow the epic narrative. The Greek culture that generated the Iliad as well as the Odyssey is a song culture and within this song culture as Marshall McLuhan said "The medium is the message" (kleos). Richard Martin said that kleos has a special way of speaking with markers for and about the listeners. Within the kleos (epic) is incorporated lament (akhos/penthos)either in the form of a reference or in the form of a quotation and that is why I chose three laments here. Because the laments with their evocative power can explore the depths of grief and thus make an epic a true epic. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1402699 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Archaeo100 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T01:57:22Z FirstChildTAG: I have just finished Scroll XVI and there are a couple of moving speeches (so quoted), which sound (to me) like laments (so songs) and which, in addition, seem to send the speaker outside the main plot line and seem to involve prophecy or premonition or some all-at-once-point-of-view. They also remind me of one from Scroll I of a similar nature. I don't know if these are exactly the kind of examples you had in mind, but, perhaps, at least by contrast, they will suggest to someone some that are. (I have done fast reading with R. Fitzgerald.) (1) Mother (Thetis) to Son (Achilles) > Alas, my child, why did I rear you, doomed the day I bore you? Ah, could you only be serene upon this beachhead through siege, your life runs out so soon, Oh early death! Oh broken heart! No destiny so cruel! And I bore you to this eviil! > (Illiad I: 414, Robert Fitzgerald) (2) Father (Zeus) to Wife about Son (Sarpedon) > Ai! Sorrow for me, that in the scheme of things the dearest of men to me must lie in dust before the son of Meoitios, Patroklos, My heart goes two ways as I ponder this: shall I catch up Sarpedon $\ldots$ $\ldots \hspace{1.0cm}$ Or shall I make him fall? $\ldots$ > (Illiad XVI: 434, R. Fitzgerald) (The depth of Zeus' feeling is then confirmed when he realizes he must let him die: > To this the father of gods and men agreed, but showered bloody drops upon the earth for the dear son $\ldots$) (3) Patroklos (dying) to Hektor (deliverer of death blow) > This is your hour to glory over me, Hektor. The Lord Zeus and Apollo gave you the upper hand and put me down with ease. $\ldots$ No, Leto's son and fatal destiny have killed me; $\ldots$ $\ldots$ I'll tell you one thing more; take it to heart No long life is ahead for you. This day your death stands near, and your immutable end, at Prince Akhilleus' hand. > (Illiad XVI 844, R Fitzgerald) All three involve one character singing (?) to another (and that person's response is recorded). They all involve destiny or fate or doom and shortness of life and how it cannot be avoided, despite choices to be made. They all involve the singer speaking confidently of things that have not quite been decided in the main narrative. (On the other hand the language of the last doesn't quite have the same feel.) Not all speeches (songs?) seem to break the narrative flow or reach outside it. But these remind me of the way songs in a musical break out of the narrative flow revealing details that then the characters do not seem to be aware of once back in the main narrative. In the words of section 38 they do seem to use "the medium of song (as) a way of speaking in a special way, of using special speech." But they are not about glory; they do not *do*, perhaps, the same thing. If these are the kind of performance examples being sought(?), then what do they say about the performance of the Illiad as a whole? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 475967 FirstChildUserNameTAG: hriggs FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T03:21:28Z SecondChildTAG: Hal. Good to see your post. Sharp as always. Best wishes Bobby. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T06:28:04Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Hal, That passage on Zeus has a different tone than the Rieu translation I am reading: > "Fate is unkind to me - Sarpedon, whom I dearly love, is destined to be killed by Patroclus son of Menoetius. I wonder now - I am in two minds. Shall I snatch him up and set him down alive...? Or shall I let him fall...? Fitzgerald applies more emotion to his translation. The examples that you have chosen all have this quality of premonition, which is carried through in other laments (e.g., Andromache to Hector). Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T12:17:07Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, and in the Samuel Butler translation some of these passages seem much shorter and you can just fly by them without seeing them as somehow special. Perhaps that is why I am drawn to the Fitzgerald translation; throughout it seems to have an impact. Which of course raises the question, how much is the translator reading into the text versus muffling something that is there (if this makes any sense). Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T12:47:58Z SecondChildTAG: I know, I think about that too. I have Rieu open, with Fagles next to it, and then go back to the Sourcebook periodically to check for updated passages. Fagles is often quite different than Rieu and Butler in word choice, but I do like the rhythm apparent in his translation. Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T13:12:45Z FirstChildTAG: Achilles sings with his lyre when he is with Patroklos, away from the war. Thetis asks Zeus for help. She wants him to act against Agamemnon. And, of course, the lament of Andromache. In these moments, as well as in many other ones, the narrative is closer to lyric than to epic. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1163815 FirstChildUserNameTAG: amparoalmeida FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T07:48:35Z FirstChildTAG: Let's stick to what we have already dealt. - Tale of Kleopatra - Laments of Andromache - Achilles' heroic songs The targets, that the songs or dirges placed in the Iliad, are multiple. We could say that all this is more work of the poet Homer. Someone might ask: why? Through the poems of the poet is primarily intended to highlight virtues that people had in those times, such as spousal love and affection. This is mainly seen in the scenes that take place between Hector and Andromache. The woman is concerned about the possible death of her husband in battle. This death is going to cost a lot like the rest of her relatives. On the other hand, the story of Cleopatra shows us the important status of the dirges and songs on poems. They make us remember things from the past and nostalgic like a beautiful fairytale.Such stories often have a role retardant, stop the flow of project, giving us breaths. Additional, these stories are interesting, fit and relate to things in the epic, so give us more angles to see the events. Ultimately, Achilles shows us something that happened very often, more in the yards of nobility. Aoidoi sang feats of heroes to people to learn their history, but to get power through them. We mean of course the epics and the role they had in people's lives. Let's not forget also the importance of music education for children in Ancient Greece. It was catalytic. It was an integral part of the treatment of Achilles. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T10:29:16Z FirstChildTAG: The three examples that comes to mind right now is the three most recent examples that we have already discussed them in the last two hours. 1) The song of Achilles, that shows to the audience the way the hero deals with his sadness 2) The lament of Kleopatra, which shows to her husband the sadness she feels for the fate of the city 3) The lament of Andromache, which shows all the sorrows and the loses she suffered from Achilles and the fear of one more. All those songs i think that contribute to the story in many ways. First of all they make the audience feel the emotional situation of the hero more precisely than narrating it. Sometimes it works as a micro-narative way into the Iliad as in the case of Andromache. As a conclysion, in my opinion sometimes those songs are in the epics to visualize emotions,make the narration be more vivid and transfer the reality of the audience, to the fantastic world of the myth. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1304373 FirstChildUserNameTAG: christinatzoum FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T10:49:30Z FirstChildTAG: The quotes of Thetis are nothing else but laments, that is singing and weeping at the same time and are so wonderfully given by the master Narrator that are really heart-breaking and excellent pieces of poetic craft. Thetis tries to comfort her child by providing the necessary help and equipment towards his own end. It's so tragic! They are songs like the laments of Andromache which I adore, especially the first one which is a farewell to her husband. The whole scene with the human aspect of Hector with the baby in his hands is wonderful. In general, I love the singing of lament in Illiad which is a song of lament on the whole ( a song of klea andron by way of singing and mourning) if we could say so and it's given in such a moving and at the same time poetic way. Catherine8 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1308581 FirstChildUserNameTAG: catherine8 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T11:27:22Z FirstChildTAG: I remember from my school days( ages ago) my Hellenic professors reading reciting-singing performing the Iliad and the Odyssey with the tempo of the Homeric Δακτυλικά Εξάμετρα,so without a doubt the whole thing is a song for me The macro narrative. Than there are the instances of the Heroes singing αειδήν κλέα ανδρών,that in the micro narrative. By the way in the Hellenic culture we always had that tradition of singing the kleos and ahos of heroes even in more modern times. Erotokritos from the 1700 AD, and before that during the Byzantine times the Heroic κλέα ανδρών of the knigts fighting across the borders of the empire against the invading Turks,Digenis Akritas as an example! In our days a music and song culture like the Rembetika is not far way from the ancient originals. Rembetika is the Soul Music of the Hellenes reviving again and again the sorrows of the slavery,catastrophic Minor Asia genocide of the Hellenes , the Exodus, love, resistance and memories of lost homes , motherlands , cities like Smyrna , Constantinople. Listen to some Rembetika you will find the Hellenic soul again in pure form ! Even Turks of today, some of them anyway are promoting them as real music of Constantinople!ex Cafe Aman! a group playing and performing alive !! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ackis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T13:31:04Z SecondChildTAG: Very cool, Ackis. By the way, non-Greek folks. Google Translate can be useful: http://translate.google.com/#el/en/%CE%94%CE%B1%CE%BA%CF%84%CF%85%CE%BB%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AC%20%CE%95%CE%BE%CE%AC%CE%BC%CE%B5%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B1 ![enter image description here][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13651044007637895.png SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T19:40:23Z SecondChildTAG: :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T21:59:05Z SecondChildTAG: Oops. I should fix that translation... ![enter image description here][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13651209791343674.png SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T00:16:46Z FirstChildTAG: I am not sure, but I think several of Helen's speeches might be sung, like for example whern she's on top of the wall and she introduces the Aechean heroes to Priam from the distance. She recognizes them from afar and talks to Priam about them. And it seems such as silly gesture because, well, they've been under their walls for almost a decade. So, in a way, she reminds me of the choirs that interact with the characters in some plays, like Antigone. Thetis is singing in scroll I,413 when she laments Achilles fate and promises to get help from Zeus. Finally, and as sort of an answer to the previous one, in Scroll XXIV, 746, Hecuba, Hector's mother, laments not only Hector's, but all her sons' fates. Actually, all the scene of the funeral, when the women mourn for Hector, can be considered like a choir singing not only to Hector's death, but to Ilion's foreseeable fall. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1319115 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Meraxes FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T14:04:58Z FirstChildTAG: 1. Achilles is singing the klea andron in his shelter and is accompanying himself with the lyre (IX 189-195) 2. Andromache singing a lament with her hair undone in the midst of the Trojan women (XXII 460-476) 3. Briseis lamenting Patroklos (XIX 282-302) 4. Achilles singing a lament just after Briseis (XIX 315-337) All of these singers are masks of the performer of Iliad himself. It is a kind of self reference. From the above examples, we can deduct that the singing takes place publicly, it can be done by women or men, it is followed by mimic or ritual gestures and it is often mixed with lament. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: galandreas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T18:47:30Z SecondChildTAG: Excellent points, scientific look! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 225142 SecondChildUserNameTAG: amiralouf SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T23:34:31Z FirstChildTAG: Hello again, so far (i' ve read Illiad until scroll XVII), three examples of characters represented as performing a song impressed me: the lament song of Kleopatra/ Alcyone in the micro- narrative of Phoenix about Meleagros, the lament song of Andromache when she meets Hector with her son, and the singing of klea andron that Achilles is presented to sing in his shelter. The two laments impressed me at first, because, having read them, I am sorry, I found it difficult to read out of the text. They made me think of women and war, of war in general and the constant pain it involves. The third example (Achilles singing klea andron with his lyre) at first, again, reading into the text, made me think that, in real life too, Ι have read about people, who fought in wars, people who, while in trenches, or while living in hiding, sometimes sing to divert or enforce their minds, just as Achilles is presented to be doing. So, I chose those examples because they touched me in a human way, even though they are parts of an epic poem the purpose of which is to recite klea andron. If by reading into the text these examples tell us about the Illiad that, in one sense, an epic poem that recites klea andron recites also other aspects of their lives (we read about their families' stories, we read about intrigues among the gods that involve them, etc.), by reading out of the text, these examples tell us about the Illiad that klea andron, as professor Nagy said, incorporate akhos and penthos, so Illiad includes lament songs for heroes and premonition lament songs for the heroes' fates. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 225142 FirstChildUserNameTAG: amiralouf FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T23:33:20Z FirstChildTAG: As I read, there were parts that seemed as if I heard the song within each and so I give you: ALthough short Achilles lament to his Mother. It is the heart of the epic played out on all sides. It is a respite of love amid war and felt betrayal in which Achilles is allowed to retell his hurt that she already knows. Another perhaps is the war of words between Agamemnon and Achilles prior to this. Is this not a relay of competition? Finally, When Hera confronts Zeus in front of the gods, is put into her place by Zeus then placated by her son by his song of remembering when he was hung out to dry (so to speak). A micro-opera amid and epic. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1302678 FirstChildUserNameTAG: amze FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T23:48:37Z FirstChildTAG: The three lament songs by Andromache in Scrolls VI, XXII, and XXIV, seem to reveal sequentially more about the Narrative. In her first lament, Andromache sings for her son and herself and reveals her son’s name: Astyanax, “king of the city”, as named by the people (Hector called him “Scamandrius”). In her second lament, just after the touching laments by Priam and Hecuba, Andromache faints, tears off her headdress and veil, and laments her ill-starred father and self as a widow, outlining the sorrows due their son, “he, whom the Trojans name Astyanax, because you, O Hector, were the only defence of their gates and battlements.” Then she burns Hector’s clothes as respect, because they can never again be worn (not saving them for their son, because he won't need them?) Andromache’s third lament in Scroll XXIV, as his body is brought home by Priam and Idaeus (mourning on the trip), is begun at the gates with Hector’s mother. Andromache continues, leading the women of the city in lament, starting with herself as a widow, she and Hector as ill-starred parents, then the future anticipation of the city being razed, because Hector was the guardian of the wives and children. She laments the wives being carried away (herself also), the children slaves under cruel taskmasters (their son among them or tossed from the walls). Then Hector’s mother takes up the lament, followed by Helen. Troy culminates the laments of Andromache, for herself and for her people. It seems that that the markers here stretch from the past (her father, brothers, and mother) to present (herself and son) to the future (Troy and her people) and are larger in scope than just one family. Her lament moves the narrative forward and moves me (the reader) to reflect on the kleos-lament of past, present, and future. I think it's interesting that Achilles owns Andromache's father's lyre and continues to sing kleos andron. Who will sing it after him? We, the listeners? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T01:21:57Z FirstChildTAG: I have been considering the question and wrote up my thoughts before reading the discussions here - and many of you have covered the same ground (or have gone much further!) - and some of you are way ahead of me in what you have read: I looked only at the Scrolls for Hours 1-3. And in the discussions above there are some fascinating points and discussions which I am not referring to here but I have enjoyed reading and will consider them further. Anyway for what it's worth these were my thoughts. My first example was the Master Narrator performing the Iliad - from the song of the Muse (or "goddess") and through the performer. (Scroll I, right at the beginning). I considered how to define "performing a song" and took the broader definition of song as something uttered in a special way, rather than singing musically (with or without instrument) - in other words, I used the definition of "epic" as a song. So my second example is Achilles, when speaking to his mother Thetis, narrates the story that we (the audience of the Iliad) have heard so far – in a compressed version, as a micronarrative within the Macro Narrative (Scroll I, lines 365-392). Since the Iliad itself is a performance of a type of song (epic) then so is this narration. I wondered if prayer would be considered a special form of performance – it contains markers (e.g. “Hear me, O god….”) and in many cases the content refers to actions of heroes or outcomes that will affect them (e.g. “let your arrows avenge these my tears upon the Danaans”). It is not sung musically or performed with an instrument but recited (as is epic). There is a definite audience: the god to whom the prayer is addressed, the Muses who will recall everything, and the audience of the Master Narrative ( the Iliad.). If prayer then is considered as performing a song, a specialised song, then there are several examples of that. Scroll I, lines 35-42. Khrysēs prays to Apollo. It says he “prayed apart”, but he does have an audience: Apollo. And, of course, the Muses, since his words are then replayed verbatim by the Master Narrator. When Achilles prays to Thetis: he is described as weeping and speaking: again not “singing” musically but combining the speaking and weeping as lament combines weeping and singing. (Scroll I, lines 352-357) Similarly I wondered if swearing an oath be considered a special type of song or performance: it is a speech act since again it has markers, an audience, and an outcome? Again the words are quoted repeated verbatim. If so there is an example at Scroll I lines 85-91: Achilles swears by Apollo that he will stand by Kalkhas against Agamemnon’s anger (and this will have consequences leading to his own sorrows, anger, and subsequent actions leading to his own ultimate fate and kleos in the Iliad as a whole). Certain types of supplication could be regarded in the same way: there is a ritual action (grasping the knees as when Thetis approaches Zeus in Scroll) and a formal way of speaking. But this would perhaps not apply to Odysseus when he tries to persuade Achilles to aid the Achaeans. However, he does quote exactly what Agamemnon had said in his offer, so could he be regarded as “performing” an act of “total recall”? I’m not so sure about this one. As to the performance of the Iliad as a whole: the words conjure up different kinds of ritual action and speech and are themselves a ritual. I find myself coming back to the Muses singing the whole thing and the whole of the Iliad is a performance. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1402832 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sscott840 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T01:30:28Z FirstChildTAG: The passage I like the most is the one that Achilles is mourning about the death of his best friend Patroklos. It was a devoted and true friendship till death. (Iliad XVIII)” Fleet Achilles groaned and answered, “Mother, Olympian Zeus has indeed granted me the fulfillment of my prayer, but what good is it to me, seeing that my dear comrade Patroklos has fallen [80] = he whom I valued more than all others, and loved as dearly as my own life? I have lost him; yes, and Hector when he had killed him stripped the wondrous armor, so glorious to behold, which the gods gave to Peleus [85] when they laid you in the couch of a mortal man. Would that you were still dwelling among the immortal sea-nymphs, and that Peleus had taken to himself some mortal bride. For now you shall have grief [penthos] infinite by reason of the death of that son [90] whom you can never welcome home- I tell you, I will not live nor go about among humankind unless Hector fall by my spear, and thus pay me for having slain Patroklos son of Menoitios.” FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1313282 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Annamanga23 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T06:04:25Z FirstChildTAG: From our courses i have mentioned the above examples. The first is the song of Achilleas who was singing the glories of men. Te second is the lament of Kleopatra and the third is the lament of Andromache. I believe that heroes tranfer to us their experiences, their pain and their emotions. It's a way to feel relief from their hardships. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1291147 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Evigr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T07:19:20Z FirstChildTAG: Besides Achilles who was singing the glories of the heroes in the past , the moment that the three emissaries came into his tent to persuade him to return to the battlefield , I could also cite the three song-laments of Andromache for Hector before his death , at his death , and after his death . These examples ,especially that of Achilles , indicate the way the Iiad was perfomed in its origin before its definite script form . It was a song about the glorious past heroes , passed on orally by professional singers [aoidoi], and due to its oral tradition , its content could be changed more or less in the course of its perfomance . It's considerable how these singers-actually creators- could reproduce songs of such volume ; how they could memorize thousand lyrics such those which the Iliad consists of ! My believe:the musical rhythme of these songs with their dactylic exameters played a central role in it . They could memorized everything that had the form of music ; in part that was the key for their survival in the course of centuries before they finally got recorded . FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305671 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maxtod FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T09:24:44Z FirstChildTAG: Since I have to choose 3 of them than I think i will say - Achilles singing klea andron. - the lament of Kleopatra - the laments of Andromache - and the Master Narrator performing the Iliad - from the song of the Muse (or "goddess") the importance in this performance is that it does not simply narrate the glory of heroes and the sorrows of the women but those perfotmances try to tranfer to the participants the emotions of the situation by appealing to their own memories and their own experiences. The heroes are not just "singing" but they do the same with the Muse.. they tell a story FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279663 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Arieta_Eleni FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T13:14:39Z FirstChildTAG: I have located the following cases. Of course maybe there is some more. To my consideration, more or less, these cases describe daily life’s scenes. The most famous are the ones at Iliad XVIII, which are “decorated iconography” on Achilles’ shield.: In these scenes we may find peaceful life, weddings celebrations or and quarrels the same way ILIAD describes giving emphasis to HEROES AND THEIR KLEOS, but at the same time somehow providing us factual knowledge of how life could be at that era. So by the performance of songs we “ see” we “ listen” the deeds, the praxis in daily life of ancient Greeks. Micro Iliads… within Iliad? Iliad i [473] Thus all day long the young men worshipped the god with song, hymning him and chanting the joyous paean, and the god took pleasure in their voices; καλὸν ἀείδοντες παιήονα κοῦροι Ἀχαιῶν μέλποντες ἑκάεργον· ὃ δὲ φρένα τέρπετ' ἀκούων. Homerus Epic. : Ilias : Book 1, line 474 Iliad xviii [495] and the youths danced to the music of pipe and lyre, while the women stood each at her house door to see them. 497 κοῦροι δ' ὀρχηστῆρες ἐδίνεον, ἐν δ' ἄρα τοῖσιν αὐλοὶ φόρμιγγές τε βοὴν ἔχον· αἳ δὲ γυναῖκες ἱστάμεναι θαύμαζον ἐπὶ προθύροισιν ἑκάστη. [525] which presently came, followed by two shepherds who were playing on their pipes, and had not so much as a thought of danger oἳ δὲ τάχα προγένοντο, δύω δ' ἅμ' ἕποντο νομῆες τερπόμενοι σύριγξι· δόλον δ' οὔ τι προνόησαν. and with them [570] there went a boy who made sweet music with his lyre, and sang the Linus-song with his clear boyish voice τοῖσιν δ' ἐν μέσσοισι πάϊς φόρμιγγι λιγείῃ  ἱμερόεν κιθάριζε, λίνον δ' ὑπὸ καλὸν ἄειδε λεπταλέῃ φωνῇ· τοὶ δὲ ῥήσσοντες ἁμαρτῇ Orpheys FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1254862 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ORPHEYS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T14:42:33Z SecondChildTAG: I totally agree with you Orpheys!Book 18 of the Iliad is a hymn to life and the shield's description is full with lyric songs!I'm adding 2 other passages. In the first people sing the hymen, the wedding song and in the second young boys and girls dance in a circle while the poet, the aoidos, sings with his guitar! 1) In the one were weddings and wedding-feasts, and they were going about the city with brides whom they were escorting by torchlight from their chambers. Loud rose the cry of Hymen (490) 2) And he pattern-wove [poikillein] a space [khoros] for singing and dancing, like the one that Daedalus once made in Knossos for Ariadne of the lovely tresses. Here was a song-and-dance [khoros] of youths and of maidens whom anyone would want to woo for a wife, all with their hands on one another’s wrists. The maidens wore robes of light linen, and the youths wore well woven tunics that were slightly oiled. The girls were crowned with garlands, while the young men had daggers of gold that hung by silver baldrics; sometimes they would dance deftly in a ring with merry twinkling feet, as it were a potter sitting at his work [600] and making trial of his wheel to see whether it will run, and sometimes they would go all in line with one another, and many people was gathered joyously about the place of dancing [khoros]. There was a singer also to sing to them and play his lyre, while two master dancers went about performing in the midst of them when the singer started his tune. All round the outermost rim of the shield he set the mighty stream of the river Okeanos. Then when he had fashioned the shield so great and strong, he made a breastplate also that shone brighter than fire.(590-609) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1230942 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Maroulou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T10:25:36Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for your comment.Nevertheless i did not see so far the " correct" answer as from the Staff, neither a general thesis to clarify where in Iliad there is cases of singers. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1254862 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ORPHEYS SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T08:05:19Z FirstChildTAG: “Canta, oh diosa, la cólera de Aquiles, hijo de Peleo” Es uno de los primeros versos que se leen al comenzar la Iliada es una descripcion de Aquiles y lo que viene a ser su tragedia. ¡Héctor, hijo querido! No aguardes, solo y lejos de los amigos, a ese hombre, para que no mueras presto a manos del Pelida, que es mucho más vigoroso. ¡Cruel! Así fuera tan caro a los dioses como a mí: pronto se lo comerían, tendido en el suelo, los perros y los buitres, y mi corazón se libraría del terrible pesar. Me ha privado de muchos y valientes hijos matando a unos y vendiendo a otros en remotas islas. Y ahora que los teucros se han encerrado en la ciudad, no acierto a ver a mis dos hijos Licaón y Polidoro, que parió Laótoe, ilustre entre las mujeres. Si están vivos en el ejército, los rescataremos con oro y bronce, que todavía lo hay en el palacio; pues a Laótoe la dotó espléndidamente su anciano padre, el ínclito Altes. Pero si han muerto y se hallan en la morada de Hades, el mayor dolor será para su madre y para mí, que los engendramos; porque el del pueblo durará menos, si no mueres tú, vencido por Aquileo. Ven adentro del muro, hijo querido, para que salves a los troyanos y a las troyanas, y no quieras proporcionar inmensa gloria al Pelida y perder tú mismo la existencia. Compadécete también de mí, de este infeliz y desgraciado que aún conserva la razón; pues el padre Cronión me hará perecer en la senectud y con aciaga suerte, después de presenciar muchas desventuras: muertos mis hijos, esclavizadas mis hijas, destruidos los tálamos, arrojados los niños por el suelo en el terrible combate y las nueras arrastradas por las funestas manos de los aqueos. Y cuando, por fin, alguien me deje sin vida los miembros, hiriéndome con el agudo bronce o con arma arrojadiza, los voraces perros que con comida de mi mesa crié en el palacio para que lo guardasen, despedazarán mi cuerpo en la parte exterior, beberán mi sangre, y saciado el apetito, se tenderán en el pórtico. Yacer en el suelo, habiendo sido atravesado en la lid por el agudo bronce, es decoroso para un joven, y cuanto de él pueda verse, todo es bello, a pesar de la muerte; pero que los perros destrocen la cabeza y la barba encanecidas y las vergüenzas de un anciano muerto en la guerra, es lo más triste de cuanto les puede ocurrir a los míseros mortales. Los lamentos del padre de Hector el Rey Priamo, me parece de las mas conmovedoras el dolor que sentía era el que muchos padres sienten por sus hijos cuando están en apuros. ¡Erraste el golpe, deiforme Aquileo! Nada te había revelado Zeus acerca de mi destino como afirmabas: has sido un hábil forjador de engañosas palabras, para que, temiéndote, me olvidara de mi valor y de mi fuerza. Pero no me clavarás la pica en la espalda, huyendo de ti: atraviésame el pecho cuando animoso y frente a frente te acometa, si un dios te lo permite. Y ahora guárdate de mi broncínea lanza. ¡Ojalá que todo su hierro se escondiera en tu cuerpo! La guerra sería más liviana para los teucros si tú murieses, porque eres su mayor azote. Hector sin duda era un personaje, creo que mas que cantar, lo que se hace es recitar sus historias. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1411227 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HIRETO FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T15:35:17Z FirstChildTAG: there are **three** aoidoi in Iliad. the first one is the unfamous **Thamyris** in Iliad 2. the second is an **anonymou** aoidos represented by Hephaistos in the shield of Achilleus. the last but not least is **Achilles**, the alter ego of Homer in aeidein, who sings klea andron in front of Patroklos FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1093860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: satrapis21 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T12:13:43Z SecondChildTAG: Interesting, satrapis. But are there only three? Here are all the instances of _aeide_ throughout The Iliad: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/searchresults?q=a)ei%2Fdw&target=greek&doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0133&expand=lemma&sort=docorder And here are links to those you mentioned: **Thamyris** (is not performing) * http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133:book=2:card=581&highlight=a%29ei%2Fdoien * http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0134:book=2:card=581&highlight=thamyris **Achilles** (singing _klea andron_) * http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133:book=9:card=162&highlight=a%29ei%2Fdwn%2Ca%29%2Feide * http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0217:book=9:card=182&highlight=lyre **Linus-song** (on Shield) * http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133:book=18:card=561&highlight=a%29%2Feide * http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0217:book=18:card=497&highlight=Linus SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T05:38:02Z SecondChildTAG: By the way, click "More" to expand the list of instances of _aeide_. ![enter image description here][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13649676421343621.gif SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T05:41:48Z SecondChildTAG: thank you very much. these tree are aoidoi in a more formal way than a woman who sings a lament. i think so SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1093860 SecondChildUserNameTAG: satrapis21 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T06:40:02Z SecondChildTAG: Satrapis, you seem to know something about this. Can you say more about why they are more formal? I'm curious. Genghis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T14:41:50Z SecondChildTAG: Thamyris is a professional aoidos who loose his vision and his music talent by the muses, because of his hyvris (2, 594-600). and all these happen to the rhapsody that demands the best memory from an aoidos! thamyris is a negative type of aoidos. the second one is anonymous. finally, Achilles is first of all a fighter, thus the only one aoidos is Homer himshelf? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1093860 SecondChildUserNameTAG: satrapis21 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T15:53:41Z SecondChildTAG: Wow Εχουμε πολλά να μάθουμε ! Ευχαριστώ Σατράπη! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T12:59:04Z SecondChildTAG: Εισαι Ελληνας και εάν ναι ΑΕΚτσής ?? το 21? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258670 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ackis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T13:00:05Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for your explanation, satrapis! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T19:25:50Z SecondChildTAG: aekara kai original 21 entelos. sorry for the greeklish mates! aek is a historic soccer team and her funs know to aeidein as Homer. dear genghis, thank you very much for your parapombes to perseus. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1093860 SecondChildUserNameTAG: satrapis21 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T21:45:39Z FirstChildTAG: Three examples of the lament are 1) By Pheonix when he tried to persuade Achilles to join Acheans in war 2) Andromache when she was reasoning with hector not to go to war 3) Kleopatra who was trying to make her husband see the future destruction if he do not help his comrades. Iliad tells us about the glory, bravery, valour and be one in hard times aas the heroes in past did. we must forget our small disputes and focus wholeheartedly on the work in hand. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1298008 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Omaima022 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T12:38:34Z FirstChildTAG: What about the lament of Thetis in front of the Nereids (Scroll XVIII), when she learns of the pain that Achilles is experiencing. She knows that now there is no point of return: Achilles has decided his destiny and she grieves it. This passage reminds me of the long awaited fate (but postponed) of Achilles and the fact that he was born to have glory; to me it contains the glory of Achilles through the words of his mother. It could be another way to re-inforce the selection of *Klea* over safe home-coming and staying with family (a destiny also chosen by Hector). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1175308 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Clemencia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T12:50:47Z FirstChildTAG: There is a plethora of examples of heroes performing a song in the Iliad. We have already examined some of them, for example in scroll IX, in which Achilles sings when Agamemnon's emissaries are coming. Moreover, we have seen Andromache lamenting in her last encounter with Hector in scroll VI. Another example is Priam's entire family lamenting for dead Hector in the last scroll and, most important of all, Achilles and Priam lamenting together in the end of the Iliad, each one for his own sorrows. What do these multiple examples show us? Primarily, what Professor Nagy has repeatedly pointed out, that the Greek culture is a song culture. Secondly, it reveals to us something about the way that the Iliad was composed: by uniting, by weaving together separate, briefer songs. Furthermore, it reveals to us something about the way the Iliad was performed: by numerous narrators waiting patiently for their turn to come, just like Patroklos waits for his turn to sing after Achilles in scroll IX. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1346024 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KaterinaM FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T14:44:03Z FirstChildTAG: I have not read the whole Iliad yet. I only read the scrolls that Professor Nagy‘s say that we have to read. In addition, for me these are the three laments: I think that the first is when Achilles was singing the klea andron, the second one is the dress rehearsal, which is the first lament of Andromache for Hector, and the third one is the lament of Cleopatra. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 967254 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sanchez04 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T19:23:22Z FirstChildTAG: a.) the song of Achilles wich is performed with the lyre of Eetion b.) the first lament of Andromache when Hector is not yet dead c.) the lament of Andromache when she sees the dead body of Hector d.) the lament of Andromache at the fumenral of Hector e.) the lament of Kleopatra which is embodied in the micro- narrative of Phoenix FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1365399 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EFIKYR FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T19:33:45Z FirstChildTAG: 1. When we encounter Achilles singing klea andron. 2. Andromache when she pleads with Hector to stay and not leave to participate in the war. 3. Andromache when we she takes off her headdress and messes up her hair. She is lamenting the death of Hector which is the last near and dear to her. The performace of these songs and the Iliad are for the listener to experience the story through visualization and connecting with the emotions of the situations. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 774612 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SCKitty FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T20:36:02Z FirstChildTAG: The three laments of Andromache, as cited by Prof. Nagy, are cried/sung in Iliad VI, XXII and XXIV. If I have it correctly, Prof. Nagy indicated that the narrative of the Iliad is recited rather than literally sung. Does this imply a different voice and method of speaking is used for these portions of the text? The Iliad was a performance and in that context it would be natural for these passages to have been actually and dramatically sung and cried. I think here as well of the excerpt from The Laments of Ch'unhyang where the master narrator is clearly wracked with emotion at the torture. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T05:59:17Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Priscilla. My understanding is that The Iliad was meant to be sung and that it probably _was_ sung from its inception throughout the archaic age. It was only later, in the Classical period (Plato's time), that the epics were recited. As Professor Nagy notes in H24H-2§30, "the medium of epic refers to itself as an act of singing." Or am I getting this wrong? I haven't read Hour 3 yet; but skimming through it, I see nothing about reciting The Iliad. ![enter image description here][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13649344501343627.png SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T20:33:56Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Genghis and Priscilla, It is also my impression that in Homeric times, these epics/performances were sung. I also thought they need not have any musical accompaniment. Jennifer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jennifercole SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T20:37:54Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Genghis, Priscilla, and Jennifer, One hint that Prof. Nagy given was Richard Martin's work. He has a book that you can access online (The Language of Heroes) and this is the work referenced in section 38 (mentioned above). While the Master Narrator sings the Illiad, this may not mean that the quoted speeches by the characters are being represented as being sung by those characters Is the Illiad more like an opera in which everyone sings all the time, or more like a 1950's musical--think *Oklahoma*, in which characters switch back and forth? Prof. Martin is concerned with (from my *very* superficial survey) the many speeches (including songs, laments, ...) where it is represented as a quote of a character speaking. So although the Master Narrator is singing the epic, I don't think it means that necessarily all the quoted speeches are meant to be represented as sung by the character (some are, some aren't). But this is my take on it, not necessarily his. (He looks at these from the point of speech acts: What is each one trying to *do*?) So, the question might be: when Illiad performances were made in early times (Archaic) did the speeches get performed with different voices, different personalities? When you listen to someone reading the text today, they do this so that the different characters actually sound different. So is every quoted speech a song, or only some of them in this inside the story sense? Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T22:48:40Z SecondChildTAG: Several of the discussions below point out that the meter of the Iliad leads to it being distinct from ordinary speech even if it isn't sung melodically or with accompaniment. I can't imagine the laments or calls to battle being performed in the same style and voice that the main narrative is. The smooth pronouncements of Nestor and the powerful declarations of Achilles call for different voices. I know that when I had this read to me, without planning, experience or practice, the major characters developed their own voices quite quickly. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T01:14:15Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Priscilla, Thanks! I wondered if there were any markers that might he hard to see in translations. I have listened to several readings of passages and they all seem to be really natural with different voices for the different characters. Hal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T03:22:35Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for mentioning the Martin book, Hal. For reference, here's a link to it: **The Language of Heroes** (Richard P. Martin): http://chs.harvard.edu/wa/pageR?tn=ArticleWrapper&bdc=12&mn=3366 **CHS Online library**: http://chs.harvard.edu/wa/pageR?tn=ArticleWrapper&bdc=12&mn=1166 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T05:45:27Z SecondChildTAG: Hal, by the way, opera is not only singing. In between arias there might be _recitativo_ which is speech-like. Here's a link to the end of the first aria of The Marriage of Figaro. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW1_LJn6keY#t=08m00s Cheers, Genghis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T05:57:26Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Genghis, but recitatives in opera are also sung: They has musicality and they are not just people talking. The absence of music in the "talking fragments" is typical of kinds of musical teather like Broadway musicals or German, English or Spanish operettas. They are teather with music instead of a more integrated "new thing" like opera. In any case, those recitatives in opera are not present in more modern operas (Verdi, Wagner or any romantic or later). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 367422 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mtrevino SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T09:02:45Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, indeed. Thanks for pointing that out, m! As I reread Hal's post I see that I misunderstood his point. Sorry about that, Hal. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T17:02:33Z SecondChildTAG: Priscilla, Genghis, mtrevino & Co: I just wrote a comment here that immediately disappeared, so I redrafted my thoughts in a new post hereunder! Cheers, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T11:36:09Z FirstChildTAG: I haven't read the whole Iliad but I am following the courseware so my three examples are all from the texts that have been discussed by Professor Nagy. My first example is Achilles singing klea andron. As second I refer the lament of Kleopatra. And last the laments of Andromache. As for the performance I think that the importance in this performance is the fact that it does not to simply narrate the glory of heroes and the sorrows of the women,that mostly suffered their concequences. The songs try to tranfer to the participants the emotions of the situation by appealing to their own memories and their own experiences. It is not just a song that you hear but a song that you relive. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1335694 FirstChildUserNameTAG: voulakatr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T11:58:35Z SecondChildTAG: I agree with *voulakatr*. Achilles singing with a lyre of a man of whom he has killed is extremely foreign to modern concept. Is he playing out of respect or cruelty, or a combination of the two? Not only did he kill the owner of the lyre, but he killed all of his sons as well. What is interesting is the second name given to *Kleopatra*, connected to the *halcyon myth*. Does this imply that *Kleopatra* will have a life full of tragedy and lament? It is almost as though her parents were aware of her destiny. The lament of Andromache is overwhelming. Here is a woman who has lost all of her family at the hands of Achilles and now is aware that she will lose the only family member she has left in Hector and will be alone with an infant son. Her lament is foreboding of intense sadness and grief, even before it occurs, as she is aware that Hector will choose kleos over the safety behind the walls of Troy. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1018253 SecondChildUserNameTAG: woodrowdunn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T15:25:55Z SecondChildTAG: I doubt if Achilles had any second thoughts about Eetion's lyre. By the rules of the times, the lyre was Achilles and I am sure he enjoyed its possession, just like he enjoyed Briseis, who was also his possession. I know contemporary people who enjoy beautiful objects without regard to how they were acquired. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 943768 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Shelleyjane SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T16:59:46Z SecondChildTAG: I also found the passage about Achilles singing with a lyre that once belonged to Andromache’s father very intriguing and at the same time very touching. The lyre seemed to prophesize the fate of the man who possesses it or is connected with it. It is the fate of a hero (a worrier) and his death in the battle. Patroklos (the listener and the participant in the singing), Achilles, and Hector, Andromache’s husband all end up dying a heroic death. Regardless of which side he was fighting, the fate remained the same. |It all seemed Achilles was aware that, by possessing the lyre, he now owns that destiny of death as well. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T17:09:04Z SecondChildTAG: singing a tale in ancient Greek world is a common event. I would say Achilles,is one example,Andromache and i think Kleopatra also as is already mentioned. For me the important think is the purpose of these songs. The author(Homer, ΟΜΗΡΟΣ) is wisely using the songs to insert a story as prof Nagy already taught us, using the term story in a story. As far as i can now understand the songs are describing a situation which has often similar meaning to the main story.... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1371431 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mvsp SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T17:43:18Z SecondChildTAG: These three are definately the first ones that come in mind through the corsework so far. The relation with the Iliad itself is the fact that each one of these narration or micronarrations is a "micrographic" Iliad. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1263692 SecondChildUserNameTAG: George1972 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T18:52:22Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, these are the three I think of first. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1367909 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Booksleuth SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T20:55:28Z SecondChildTAG: I agree with ShelleyJane. The lyre was just a spoil of war. Remember, at the fall of the Troy, as with most cities, men were killed & their women & children were taken off into slavery. All the wealth of the city was divided up by the victors. What's a lyre particularly worth? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 916354 SecondChildUserNameTAG: wcoventry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T07:49:56Z SecondChildTAG: Regarding the lyre of American's Andromache's father, I believe Achilles highly regards it, for its beauty & use - it is a desirable spoil of war, belonging to a man Achilles pays due respect after killing him: Achilles does not strip Eetion's body of its armor nor defile his body. Instead he provided the appropriate cremation, burning his armor along with his body. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T15:55:13Z SecondChildTAG: Oops! Smart device somehow inserted the word "American" - please delete that from your reading ... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T16:05:00Z SecondChildTAG: For me, the lyre that Achilles acquired through the killing of another, represents a trophy. Using it to sing a lament seemed to be a way of reliving the defeat of Andromache and all he represented, a way to feel again, the glory of the hero. It reminds me, strangely, of the movie *Groundhog Day*, repeating a situation over and over again until you feel or become what you were meant to be... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1214468 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sb13 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T20:26:10Z SecondChildTAG: I think in a strong story like the Iliad, nothing is unimportant. All the props are there for a reason, like in a stage set, helping us to remember and keep the whole epos in mind, with a lot of use of repetitions and of associations of ideas/events. To me, therefore, it is highly significant that Achilles uses the lyre he took from Eetion, Andromache's father. (Irrespective of what he himself thinks. Actually, I am not sure that Achilles "thinks" at all. Rather he is "being thought", so to speak, by the Muses and the poet.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T07:08:59Z SecondChildTAG: Achilles was found "delighting his heart in a lyre ... which he won out of the spoils ... pleasuring his heart ... and singing ..." From Latimore's translation I see Achilles as comforting himself that he has this lyre, this spoil of war, even though he had lost Briseus. Achilles was pouting in the big picture but smug(?) in this micro- picture? I think the lyre is significant on many levels. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T09:46:40Z SecondChildTAG: I'm struggling to keep up with the readings, videos and questions, so I haven't been able to go further in looking for examples than the three discussed here already. Songs of different types, whether laments or performances of epics (klea andron) are all pervasive in the Iliad and I'm sure there will be many more during the course of our readings. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1414596 SecondChildUserNameTAG: rfid SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T12:00:17Z SecondChildTAG: I totally agree with most of the comments. Everything has its relevance and when Achilles uses the lyre is symbolizing power over its previous owner. I think the lyre is important, is a beautiful metaphor. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1375458 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jlph SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T12:03:45Z SecondChildTAG: I agree with the passages all of you mention.It is difficult to say something else. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 367422 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mtrevino SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T22:00:51Z SecondChildTAG: Dear all, this is a very interesting 'conversation'(?) that Voula started with her post, thank you! I just want to defend Barbara's comment about if and how Achilles feels about Eetion's lyre. I believe it is not only difficult, but in most cases impossible to understand or to get in the position of any of the Illiad's characters. So, in some way, yes, it is possible for Achilles, after having killed Eetion and his sons, to feel respect (in his sence, or in that era's sence of respect) for those he killed during battle/ war and for the spoils he aquired of them. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 225142 SecondChildUserNameTAG: amiralouf SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T22:40:20Z SecondChildTAG: I agree with you it is difficult, if not impossible, to understand or to get inside the characters in the Iliad. That said, as to Achilles, I do wonder what he was singing, and more as to what he was thinking/reflecting on as he held the lyre and sang, because he is the Iliad, and the central character of the story. Was he reliving the past glories of his ancestors (and of his own) and enjoying his trophy? His terrible choice must have been on his mind as well, as he played with the lyre and sang, for immediately after that he tells Ajax and Odysseus what his mother had told him as to his two fates, and he must choose which path to take. Achilles was playing with the lyre that once belonged to King Eetion whom he had killed. Now he has the lyre in his possession, but he will soon die if he joined the battle. I cannot help but wonder if at that moment Achilles was identifying himself with the men he had killed, as well as reliving his heroic exploits. Now it is his fate to die, to be killed by the hand of his enemy, if he decides to join the battle. He knows he will not be returning home alive. The fate of King Eetion now awaits him. The knowledge of his own death would shift his perspective, even a little? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T08:03:53Z SecondChildTAG: I think the role of Achilles is essential and could not be without knowing the values ​​of the ancient hero. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 650708 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DuniaCab SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T11:50:54Z SecondChildTAG: A friend posted the following in her cohort and I thought you might find it a interesting experience of a 2013-"god knows when" lament: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TJxqC4fiqcM My mother was from Mani in Laconia and my grandmother still lives there. People of Mani believe for themselves (and they actually sing it in songs) that they are descendants of Ancient Spartans. Women of Mani are known to be very brave among the Greek women. They actually fought in some battles in the past. They are also known for their songs of lament (moirologia), a very ancient tradition that is still alive.They sing songs of lament the way Homer describes them, as Andromache Hebuka and Helen sang songs of lament over dead Hector's body in the last rhapsody of Iliad. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343062 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Persefone3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T22:25:00Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for sharing this ..... I am speechless. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T01:07:34Z SecondChildTAG: Yes..I also think these 3 examples can we mention till now if we don't take the whole Iliad now already. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1232601 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Firefly-2009 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T06:11:20Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for the link, Persefone. Here is something similar: it shows Punu women mourners (Gabon): http://www.sorosoro.org/en/the-punu-mourners SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T06:52:49Z SecondChildTAG: I agree with voulakatr. I think these are the three examples until now. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1171457 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ziova SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T09:38:55Z SecondChildTAG: Persefone: as someone with '*Manic*' roots, what is your feeling about the famous ***war towers*** over there? Any connection to the military nature of ancient Sparta at all? Just curious. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scherings SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T11:35:59Z SecondChildTAG: Persefone, that lament link you shared creates a clear understanding of the crying/singing description. Thank you SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T05:40:03Z FirstChildTAG: While Hector is the idealized husband and father cut down in his prime, Achilles is the idealized bridegroom, sensual in his heroic beauty and likewise doomed to an untimely death. In the songs of Sappho, it is Achilles who figures as the ultimate bridegroom. The very mention of him in song conjures up the picture of a beautiful flower cut down at the peak of its bloom. This is how his own mother sings of Achilles in Scroll 18 of the Iliad , in a beautiful song of lament that prefigures the hero's untimely death: "...how sore my heart is! Now my life is pain for my great son's dark destiny! I bore a child flawless and strong beyond all men. He flourished like a green shoot, and I brought him to manhood like a blossoming orchard tree, only to send him in the ships to Ilion to war with Trojans. Now I shall never see him entering Peleus' hall, his home, again." Hecuba is calm, because he sees that her son was by Achilles, and even harmless and unalterable, that it can receive from its own funerary prices. Instead, we see the psychological state in verses xv 203 and 216, when he did not believe that Achilles will redeem Hector. In lament that follows is not emphasized both personal loss as the pride of the mother for her great son. Hecuba in her turn took up the strains of woe. “Hector,” she cried, “dearest to me of all my children. So long as you were alive the gods loved you well, [750] and even in death they have not been utterly unmindful of you; for when swift-footed Achilles took any other of my sons, he would sell him beyond the seas, to Samos, Imbros, or rugged Lemnos; and when he had taken away with his sword your life-breath [psukhē] as well, [755] many a time did he drag you round the tomb [sēma] of his comrade – though this could not give him life – yet here you lie all fresh as dew, and comely as one whom Apollo has slain with his painless shafts.” Helen he could not participate in mourning the top of the warriors who lost their lives because of it. Their grief is very personal, as it refers to the martial valor of Hector, but the sweetness and goodness (goodness, verse 773) the hero in this same. With the death of Hector Helen lost that which protects it from the U. "vristikous sake of others (v. 767-768, 769-772). she too speak through her tears with bitter moan, and then Helen for a third time took up the strain of lamentation. “Hector,” said she, “dearest of all my brothers-in-law-for I am wife to Alexandros who brought me here to Troy – would that I had died before he did so – [765] twenty years are come and gone since I left my home and came from over the sea, but I have never heard one word of insult or unkindness from you. When another would chide with me, as it might be one of your brothers or sisters or of your brothers’ wives, [770] or my mother-in-law – for Priam was as kind to me as though he were my own father – you would rebuke and check them with words of gentleness and goodwill. Therefore my tears flow both for you and for my unhappy self, for there is no one else in Troy [775] who is kind to me, but all shrink and shudder as they go by me. All the wistful beauty of sorrow for a life cut short comes back to life in song, and that song of the hero's mother extends into a song that becomes the Iliad itself. For the culture of the Greeks was, and still is, a song culture. For them, to weep is to sing a lament, and the sorrow, in all its natural reality of physically crying and sobbing, is not at all incompatible with the art of the song: it flows into it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300319 FirstChildUserNameTAG: marlef FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T10:48:28Z FirstChildTAG: Aaargh, a comment I just wrote disappeared, so I am going to try rewriting it in this new post, in answer to Priscilla, Genghis & Co hereabove. It's a follow-up on the short discussion on opera and recitatives, and how that medium could possibly help us in our reflexions about what is a "song" in the Iliad. Baroque and classical opera were typically built on an alternance of recitatives and arias. (This structure disappeared in the 19th century, where operas tended to be sung all the way through, "durchkomponiert"). Recitatives were there to tell the story, advance the plot, and were either intoned/chanted (in operas in the strict sense, with very basic, semi-improvised accompaniment on cembalo/cello), or they were spoken (like in so-called "Singspiels", for example Mozart's Magic Flute or Die Entführung aus dem Seraglio). Recitatives were all about action, moving the story dynamically forward. Arias, on the other hand, were like songs (with full musical treatment.) They suspended the action and allowed a protagonist to express his feelings or thoughts about what was happening in and around him. An introspective pause in which someone could reflect, comment, lament, scheme, pray, express love, etc. I wonder whether we could read the Iliad in terms of recitatives (macro and micro-narratives) and arias (songs). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T11:30:21Z SecondChildTAG: Yes opera. And also Baroque oratorios and passions. I'm hearing the "chorus" in the unheard lamentors in the Iliad, described by the narrator as witnessing the main characters' lamentations and joining in. Also can hear the "chorus" in the unnamed characters revealing their emotional reactions to a crisis of the moment. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T14:59:27Z SecondChildTAG: Yes the oratorios and passions have the same structure of narrative and songs. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T22:49:50Z SecondChildTAG: I've never realized until now that the Iliad is a performance piece, meant to evoke emotions in the "participants" ...... and we by reading it can be affected just like those who heard it 3000 years ago ..... before written down, when it was no doubt being developed. I'm humbled to be included in the continuity. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NH417 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T01:27:16Z SecondChildTAG: dcaillat, i feel your pain. the same disappearing act happened to me a few days ago & i've just finished redoing my response (saved as a word doc first in case my response vanished again) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T05:25:54Z SecondChildTAG: NH417, "...... and we by reading it can be affected just like those who heard it 3000 years ago ..... before written down, when it was no doubt being developed. I'm humbled to be included in the continuity." Exactly my feelings SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T05:29:07Z SecondChildTAG: @Barbara and NH, exactly my feeling too, though I would add gratitude to humility. In the past weeks, the feeling of being included in a long chain of stories has been like realizing one has roots going back way back. And the roots are not to blood ancestors but to the stories of humanity. And by the way, Achilles and the other heroes were right: in choosing kleos over a quiet life at home, they defeated death and achieved immortality, their lives being remembered and even re-enacted with each new performance on stage or reading in a book. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T06:23:32Z FirstChildTAG: Dear All, I would figure 2 speeches of heroes in Scroll 22 and Andromacha's lament called by professor Nagy "dress rehearsal". Regarding last one - we have studied it - no need to comment. About others in Scroll 22: - I believe that speech of Priam, Hector's father - is also lament, not typical as expressed by man - but still lament. More over, he is tearing his hair after saying it - one more prove of lamenting. - Speech of Hecuba, Hector's mother - is less impressive, as for me, but still classical lament. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 204291 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dr_butoros FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T15:58:13Z FirstChildTAG: I'm not sure I understand what "quoted in the narrative" means, so I may be missing the point when I pick three from Andromache's two laments -- one in VI and another in XXIV, Hekuba's lament, Helen's lament (both in XXIV), Kleopatra's lament, Kleopatra's mother's lament, and Achilles' song in II. What is striking (and this is not an idea original with me) is the accusatory tone of the women's laments. They are forcefully and vividly presenting arguments against the master narrative's celebration of epic heroism. They are saying to their men: "Your pursuit of imperishable glory, leaves your wives in slavery, your cities in ruins, your children victims." The laments provide the master narrator a way to introduce some ideas that many in the audience might find unacceptable -- where I am thinking the audience is a mixture of battle hardened men and young untried men who need to be encouraged and exhorted to be brave and strong in battle. The monomania and the maleness of the heroic ideal makes me wonder about Achilles and Penthesileia. The picture of Achilles driving his sword into Penthesileia has an overall shape that reminds me of the taijitu -- the yin-yang symbol. In effect, in this picture Achilles is killing his yin, his feminine principle, as every warrior must to some extent. Perhaps the extreme suppression of his feminine side oppresses Achilles. With the death of his yin there comes a sadness, an *akhos*. This is the sadness of a psyche that deep within knows that it has been made incomplete. It is a sadness of separation -- a separation from what is kind, loving, familial, and sharing. Achilles' separation is so extreme that it is threatening his connections to his *philoi*. Perhaps it is this sadness that is in whatever song it is that Achilles' is singing when Odysseus, Phoenix, and Ajax arrive at his tent. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 993875 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CHH-1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T16:27:01Z SecondChildTAG: Does the English "ache" come from the Greek *akhos*? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 993875 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CHH-1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T21:51:07Z SecondChildTAG: ache (v.) Old English acan "to ache, suffer pain," from Proto-Germanic *akanan, perhaps from a PIE root *ag-es- "fault, guilt," represented also in Sanskrit and Greek, perhaps imitative of groaning. The verb was pronounced "ake," the noun "ache" (by i-mutation, as in speak/speech) but while the noun changed pronunciation to conform to the verb, **the spelling of both was changed to ache c.1700 on a false assumption of a Greek origin (specifically Greek akhos "pain, distress," which is rather a distant relation of awe (n.)**). Related: Ached; aching. ache (n.) early 15c., æche, from Old English æce, from Proto-Germanic *akiz, from same source as ache (v.). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 993875 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CHH-1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T23:41:28Z FirstChildTAG: What does such a performance of a song tell us about the performance of the Iliad itself? The whole of the Iliad is a compilation of songs. Songs which before Homer so aptly collected them into one great epic poem, were already ancient scattered stories that ran by word of mouth from one singing bard to another. The genius of Homer's contribution is the writing of the Iliad, with its' structure, uniformity of language and its poetic rhythm. Through his vision the stories become one unit of mythos, instead of many legends, songs and anecdotes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1195703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fernandoromo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T17:01:43Z FirstChildTAG: The examples that i can think of are Andromache, Helen and Achilles. Andromache's lament is a very beautiful grief song about her husband's imminent death. Hector chooses kleos instant of a peaceful life with his family and that's why Andromache is moorning for his future death. Hector was the only one she had in the world. He was her everything and he chooses to leave her alone with their child. Achilles's lament is about klea andron. It is a way for Achilles to stop thinking about his anger for Agamemnon and start singing with his lyre for the glories of brave men. Helen is lamenting as well for Hector. She was the one who caused the war and now her friend is going to die on this war. She expresses her feelings to Hector. Homeric Iliad is itself a big song. Or better a compilation of songs. Small stories into the big story which is Iliad. So if we understand the meaning of each song seperately , then we will be able to better understand the whole Iliad. Laments refer to a hero or more and make known to us some of their achievements or some details about their lives that we should know. By learning and undestanding them we understand the plot of Iliad. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1403715 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kate_Io FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T18:35:21Z FirstChildTAG: The three examples that came to my mind are the three laments of Andromache, Hecuba and Helen in Iliad XXIV. In Andromache's lament (Iliad XXIV 725-745) we see Hector's wife to cry not only about the early death of her husband but also about the consequences of this death on the people of Troy. In this lament the person and the whole are together. We see the love of the wife, the fate of the child now that his father is dead, the fate of the whole city since Hector was the best of all and his parent's pain for the loss of their son. Andromache's lament is the sorrow of a wife, a mother and at last as a Trojan citizen, as a part of a whole. In Hecuba's lament (Iliad XXIV 746-761) we see a mother who refers to the excellence of her son. He was the bravest and the best among all her children and the Trojans and he had the love of the gods when he was alive. Hecube is a mother who cries over the body of her dead son but she is proud of him. Her pride is clear in her lament. At last there is Helen's lament (Iliad XXIV 762-777), she is not Trojan and she is Hector's sister-in-law but she feels the need to cry about Hector. She refers to herself as the cause of the war and she curse herself about that. Also refers to the personal feelings that she had about Hector, their friendship, and how he was the only one that treated her well with the exception of Priamus. The three laments are not just said, they are performed. It's a special speech, the words are sung and this song has characteristics about the hero. This is another way for the hero to achieve his glory. The epic poem refers to the hero's achievements, the lament refers to his virtues and his character (ēthos). Through the lament we see a different personality of the dead hero seen through the eyes of his family and friends. The lament is part of the main song, it is connected with the epic song. There can't be an epic song without a lament just like Iliad. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1458072 FirstChildUserNameTAG: andy_far FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T16:39:03Z FirstChildTAG: I have chosen two laments, which are spoken when the heroes are presented crying and since in a song culture crying is signing I thought that these two extracts could be considered as songs. - The first example is from Iliad I, 350-356, when Achilles goes by the sea side to weep and calls his mother for help, totally in despair after quarreling with Agamemnon: “Then Achilles went all alone [350] by the side of the hoary sea [pontos], weeping and looking out upon the boundless waste of waters. He raised his hands in prayer to his immortal mother, "Mother," he cried, "you bore me doomed to live but for a little season; surely Zeus, who thunders from Olympus, might have given me honor [timē]. It is not so: he has not honored me. [355] Agamemnon, son of Atreus, has done me dishonor, and has robbed me of my prize [geras] by force." - The second is from Iliad VI, 405-435: these are the words that Andromache addresses to Hector, as she makes a last, hopeless, effort to persuade him to stay away from the battlefield: “[405] and Andromache stood by him weeping and taking his hand in her own. 407What’s gotten into you [Hector] - some kind of superhuman force [daimōn]? Your own power [menos] is going to make you perish [phthi-n-ein]. You are not showing pity, 408 not thinking of your disconnected [nēpiakhos] son, and not thinking of me, deprived as I am of good fortune. I will soon become a widow, 409 your widow, since you will soon be killed by the Achaeans…” As a third example, I have chosen the silent weeping of Achilles’ horses (Iliad XVII, 430-441) when they realized that Patroklos is dead. In this case weeping is expressed by the body-language: “[425] .. The horses of the descendant of Aiakos stood out of the fight and wept when they heard that their driver had been laid low by the hand of manslaughtering Hector. Automedon, valiant son of Diores, [430] lashed them again and again; many a time did he speak kindly to them, and many a time did he upbraid them, but they would neither go back to the ships by the waters of the broad Hellespont, nor yet into battle among the Achaeans; they stood with their chariot stock still, [435] as a pillar set over the tomb of some dead man or woman, and bowed their heads to the ground. Hot tears fell from their eyes as they mourned the loss of their charioteer, [440] and their noble manes drooped all wet from under the yokestraps on either side the yoke.” The Iliad is a song about the glories of men and the sorrows they have to experience in order to acquire glory and die in honour. Thus laments, songs performed while crying about these sorrows, help the audience realise vividly the hero's feelings and show compassion for him. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1359804 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mcarab FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T19:55:56Z FirstChildTAG: O Primeiro lamento de Andrômaca quando acredita que seu esposo vai morrer na batalha é muito parecido com o de Kleopatra quando consegue convencer seu esposo Meleagros a lutar . O segundo lamento de Andrômca é muito intenso quando ver seu esposo sendo arrastado morto por Achilles. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 923945 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Anunciada FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T20:21:53Z FirstChildTAG: To Prof. Nagy's question about the three examples of where a character is represented as performing a song, I think I would like to cite Phoenix narrating the story of Achilles, Patroclus and Andronmache -- where the micro narratives get woven into the macro vision of the Iliad. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1239400 FirstChildUserNameTAG: palaash FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T20:53:38Z FirstChildTAG: If we stick to the material covered in the first three hours, examples of characters that are quoted and can be said to be performing songs, would be Phoenix, Meleagros, Kleopatra and Andromarche. One could say that all the characters quoted at length are singing and that the whole Iliad, as unfolded by the master narrator is a lament containing many other sub-laments. All this underlines the importance of the fact that the Iliad was declaimed orally and expressively and one can imagine that the delivery might have been akin to that of the woman lamenting the death of her sons. Just these first three hours have changed my outlook on the Iliad. Before I thought of it as a rather bloodthirsty tale celebrating the exploits of virile, manly, (perhaps insensitive) superhuman murderous fighters recognizing outlandish codes of chivalry and valour. Now I am beginning to see it as a much more rounded depiction of human vlaues and the human condition - and women and their feelings occupy a much larger place than I remembered. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1243128 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Chrysalus FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T21:02:16Z FirstChildTAG: Thetis for the fate of her son Achilles. Andomache for Ector's death to come in rapsody Z. Kleopatra's lement addressed to Meleagros. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282021 FirstChildUserNameTAG: samkon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T21:19:27Z FirstChildTAG: The three examples which come first in my mind is Achilles and his singing about the glories of men in an attempt to calm his grief and anger, secondly is Phoenix who is singing Meleagros's story trying to make Achilles change his mind and third I would name Andromache who is singing and crying a lament to Hector before he leaves trying to show her premonition of her husband's fatal end. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1297582 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mkaravouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T23:21:10Z FirstChildTAG: Phoenix, Meleagro e Cleópatra ! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1092189 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ferreiraphs FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T23:42:45Z FirstChildTAG: yin-yang taijitu. ![enter image description here][1] ![enter image description here][2] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13653840591343631.jpg [2]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13653840311343678.png FirstChildUserIdTAG: 993875 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CHH-1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T22:29:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hello all, the first is the song of Kleopatra told by Phoenix who is lamenting over the death of her father and brothers and mother and who knows that her husband will eventually be killed by Achilles. The second is the lament by Patrokles: “Achilles, son of Peleus, foremost champion of the Achaeans, do not be angry, but I feel grief [akhos] for the disaster that has now befallen the Argives. All those who have been their champions so far are lying at the ships, wounded by sword or spear. Akhos is the marker here. The third is the lament of Andromache as she grieves for herself after her husband is killed. As I understand the importance of song in the Iliad, this is how the history was told in ancient Greek civiliationas it was a dsong culture. It is through the medium of song and especially lament that the audience would be able to empathize with this characters. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 956149 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kcabel11 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T06:02:53Z FirstChildTAG: I came on here to post my answer to the question, but see that all the examples I planned to give have already been given. I see many great examples that I totally missed too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893405 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erinath FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T02:48:21Z FirstChildTAG: My response is fairly emotional, so be forewarned. I have been overwhelmed by the "anger" and "constant sorrow" not only of Achilles, but also the anger of Agamemnon, the fury of warriors whipped/stirred to fury for battle by gods and captains, the robust killing descriptions, and the grief and sorrow expressed by women and parents in many more than the 3 laments I mention here (also selected by others, particularly Aquiles77): 1.Achilles singing the klea andron -perhaps the story of Meleagros and Kleopatra - & accompanying his song on Eetion's lyre, w/Patroklos awaiting his turn, before Agamemnon's ambassadors arrive. The audience hears - and I include myself here - not only Achilles singing the song Phoenix told of the story of Meleagros waiting too long, but also the weeping/singing of Kleopatra in her lament to her husband. A triple layer: Achilles, Kleopatra, and epic narrator. 2 Thetis singing to the Nereides in lament of her son's birth, life and death ,to follow soon upon his learning of Patroklos’s death (Scroll XVIII, 50-64). As a mother of a son, listening to a mother lament the sorrow of her son's constant sorrow, I also personalize Thetis's grief. Here a double layer of lament: Thetis & epic narrator 3.Briseis crying/singing for Patroklos upon her return to Achilles's camp (Lattimore, Scroll XIX, 245-262): "And now in the likeness of golden Aphrodite, Briseis when she saw Patroklos lying torn with sharp bronze, folding him in her arms cried shrilly above him and with her hands tore at her breasts and her soft throat and her beautiful forehead. The woman like the immortals mourning for him spoke to him.... So evil in my life takes over from evil forever. The husband on whom my father and honored mother bestowed me I saw before my city lying torn with the sharp bronze, and my three brothers…all went on one day to destruction. And yet you would not let me, when swift Achilleus had cut down my husband … you would not let me sorrow, but said you would make me godlike Achilleus’ wedded lawful wife, that you would take me back in the ships to Phthia, and formalize my marriage among the Myrmidons. Therefore I weep your death without ceasing. You were kind always.” Reading the scrolls online and in another book version and listening to an audio recording of the Iliad has drawn me in as one of Homer’s audience, even over 2000 years later. Watching the video in which Prof. Nagy related the story told in Ch’unhiang of the grief, anger, sorrow, and torture befalling the young bride, daughter of a courtesan, abandoned by her higher class husband, and seeing the brief clips of her reactions to her dangerous situation, watching the seated narrator convey her suffering in his anguished telling of that suffering, AND seeing the camera turn away from bride and narrator to focus on the audience watching the performance makes clear the impact the Homeric narrator must have had on his audience of 10,000-20,000. Even in those brief clips from the film, when the camera turns on the audience, I saw the mirror of myself. So, too, it has been with experiencing the Iliad in this way. The power of the Muses and a willing imagination …. I like how bprescott-decie states a similar observation in her response to Prof. Nagy’s question: “ The overall effect the, just like Ch’unhaing, I think, is an amplification of the emotion felt and the sheer number and extent of the laments in the Iliad mean that the audience/listeners are going to feel a great deal of sorrow and anger during the performance.” Today, I traveled 2 hours to Austin, Texas, to watch a live staged reading of Philadelphia poet-playwright Paul Parente’s Rage of Achilles. It’s not an pure adaptation of the Iliad, but it does use an essence of Achilles, Agamemnon, Priam, Patroklos, Menalaus, & Briseis, as well as invented characters suggestive of Homer and another epic poet. The performance occurred in an intimate theater (and the playwright sat right behind me.) The effect was the same. Live performance is so immediate and powerful. Again, the power of the Muses and a willing imagination …. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T05:12:28Z FirstChildTAG: A lament serves a dual purpose for the audience. It allows the audience the opportunity to participate in feeling the emotions (grief, bitterness, etc.) of Homer's characters as they mourn for their dead. At the same time, the audience is able to recall its own losses and mourn its own loved ones. When Andromache laments, she expresses not only her grief over Hecktor's death, but also her bitterness in being left behind without protection and with no final word of love. Women in the audience will certainly relate to this. In Book 18 Thetis and the Nereids, knowing that Achilles' death is inevitable, lament that they can do nothing to save him. Brises laments the death of Patroklos who was kind to her. And the women around her "sorrowed...but for her own sorrows each." Undoubtedly those in the audience would do the same. It seems that women's laments express the values of home and family as opposed to men's value of honor and glory. Am I right in judging that this desire for eternal fame is more often than not a "male thing". Edit FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1137139 FirstChildUserNameTAG: cbsaalbach FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T11:08:49Z FirstChildTAG: After some time , I would like to intervene in the discussion perhaps diagonally since I am not sure if the thread of the discussion has maintained any continuity but here are my thoughts non the less. I'd like to quote the lamentations of Briseis as she is mourning Patroclus ( in Scroll 19, verse 282 ), the first lamentation sung by Andromache ( scroll 6, verse 407-432) and the lamentation that Achilles shares with Patroclus ( in scroll 9, verse 185-195 ). The live performances of these grieving songs about pain and suffering arouse our emotions in every possible way . Although I have chosen 2 examples that mourn in the Trojan camp , we see how these very emotions are able able to transcend from one camp to another through the song of the Iliad. At first it is a bit confusing to think of Briseis grieving for Patroclus but in so doing could she be reminded of her own husband's death? Could it be that her lament is almost like a love song to her own husband that was killed by Achilles ? She talks of Patroclus's kindness towards her and although she is a silent character in most of the narrative of the Iliad , her emotional lament is experienced and carried through the very boundaries and confinements of war regardless of which camp she finds herself in. In scroll 9, we see an Achilles singing about the glory of the ancient heroes as he plays on the very Lyre that belonged Eeton ( Andromache's father whom he killed ) to divert his heart , his pain , his sorrow ... The lyre is almost like a left over a symbol from the past actively announcing that disaster will strike again soon in the future. The songs are able to transcend the notion of time since they are re-activated time and time again through the notion of loss in the past and in the near future. So we are not able to forget about the sorrow caused to Andromache and the brutal murderings of her family and of what is about to happen to Andromache own future and possibly Patroclu's . In Andromache's lament where she fears Hectors loss, we learn about the loss of her father, her brothers , her mother and how she now feels that her world is about to collapse again as it is will be filled only with abandonment and sorrows. The emotions conveyed in these songs are truly heart felt and are expressed in moments of loss, of premonition of loss or recall a deeply loved person . They are conveyed to the audience expressing a moment of truth, of past truths and premonitions of future truths because the song is able to remind us of our own personal losses , to recall them again as painful truths that we have lived ourselves. It is almost as if the telling of the glories and the sorrows achieved by the medium of song, "speaking in this special way" guaranties the truthfulness and the continuity of the Iliad. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 805667 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KCK FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T15:44:07Z FirstChildTAG: 1. Marpessa's crying and giving her daughter Kleopatra the second name of Alycone after the halcyon birds - does this count as singing? 2. Andromache's lament for Hector. 3. Achille's song on the plundered lyre. All these laments have a sense of predestination in them. The figures in this epic know what will happen, for the heroes of the Iliad have chosen glory in exchange for a short life, instead of a long, uneventful life that will be forgotten to history. The sadness of these lives is inevitable but no less lamentable - glory will be had at a price. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1374193 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ChuckRamone FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T19:19:40Z FirstChildTAG: In my opinion,the first is the lament of Andromache.The second one is Achilles' lament and finally the third is the lament of Kleopatra. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1382946 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Efstathia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T20:11:37Z FirstChildTAG: First example is Achilles who is singing klea andrwn in his shelter,as he plays the lyre (rhapsody 9).Second example are the lament songs of Andromache, Thetis and Briseis.Third example is the song of an anonynous singer(at the end of rhapsody 18) whos sings about the second shield of Achilles, since the first one was given to Patroklos who died and Hector took it as his own. These performances show us the role of this "musical speech",that comes as a gift from the Muses to the poet and also that these words/songs are divine(in a meaning they can not be ignored).The first performers of epic poetry(αιοδοι) were telling their stories with a musical instrument and by singing/ or with rythme.Ιn Iliad there is mentioned only one "professional performer" Thamiris-in Odyssey there are Phimios(Φήμιος) and Dimodokos(Δημόδοκος)-probably because Iliad is an epos of war. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 935487 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aristeagr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T20:26:38Z FirstChildTAG: The three examples of performance song in the illiad: - Achilles is singing with the lyra and Patroklos is in the place listening the song. - Thetis and Nereids, knowing that Achilles is death is inevitable, lament that they can do nothing to save him. -The Andromache is singing, crying and lamenting to Hector´s death. succesfully for everyone FirstChildUserIdTAG: 982103 FirstChildUserNameTAG: diegogarzonv FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T15:03:02Z FirstChildTAG: Three examples in the Iliad where a character is represented as performing a song when he or she is quoted in the narrative are as follows: 1. Andromache lamenting about Hector's future death and the past deaths of her family members. 2. Achilles while singing the kleos while sitting across from Patroklos [although, technically lyric, it was still describes as singing the kleos] 3. Andromache tearing off her headpieces, significantly the one given to her on her wedding day by Aphrodite, upon finding Hector did indeed die and after she faints for a moment she starts to lament. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1476221 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AnyaOnslaught FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T14:12:54Z FirstChildTAG: First is Achilles as he plays the lyra, he sings a klea andron before his friends arrive. Then the tale Phoenix about Meleagros, and lastly Kleopatra's lament. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 921040 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LKnight FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T19:12:34Z FirstChildTAG: The laments of Andromache are shocking, that the same character has three laments within the narrative makes me think that Achilles is a man of constant sorrow but Andromaca should be a woman in constant sorrow. She has had a life full of death and pain. Throughout the narrative we are conducciendo different laments through the story, you could read the Iliad between anger, laments and sorrow. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1375458 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jlph FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T19:48:56Z FirstChildTAG: Examples of lament, that is singing and crying or crying and singing, would, in my opinion, be the songs of Achilles singing the klea andron in the presence of Patroclos, Andromache's lament for Hector who is everything to her in life, and the lament of Thetis for Achilles. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T17:22:48Z FirstChildTAG: I would say, Achilles singing klea andron next to Patroklos, the story of Meleagros and Kleopatra and her lament for the imminent destruction of the city of Calydon and last Andromache through her lament for Hector. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1286388 FirstChildUserNameTAG: syros1979 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T13:40:38Z FirstChildTAG: We have already seen several examples of characters performing a song in the Iliad (Achilles in his tent with Patroclus as audience, Thetis in her cave as she realizes that Achilles will no choose to go to his death and Andromache's lament before Hector's death). Since the epic and lyric parts of the Iliad are inseparable, I have wondered if in fact it was common for parts of the Iliad to be sung by the narrator or whether in some cases even a chorus might have been used. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1080551 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RickFlynn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T19:23:35Z FirstChildTAG: **Three examples come to mind: Iliad 18 52-64 Thetis’ lament for Achilles, while Achilles is still alive.** *59 And I will never be welcoming him [60] back home as returning warrior, back to the House of Peleus. 61 And as long as he lives and sees the light of the sun, 62 he will have sorrow [akh-nutai], and though I go to him I cannot help him.* This lament highlights the overall theme of the Iliad as it is focused on its central hero, Achilles, the one who is most connected with the overriding theme of “nostos” vs. “kleos”. It is a tragic reminder of Thetis’ helplessness. Achilles is clearly a superior being, almost divine. Nevertheless he is also victim of his mortality and Thetis cannot do anything to change this. This lament definitely contains markers that remind us of the large themes that the big narrative of Iliad is all about. **Iliad 6 405 Andromache’s first lament “the dress rehearsal”, a lament while Hector is still alive.** *407 What’s gotten into you [Hector] - some kind of superhuman force [daimōn]? Your own power [menos] is going to make you perish [phthi-n-ein].* Many emotions come through, fear for losing Hector, sadness for the past sorrowful experiences and losses of dear ones, and despair for a sorrowful future as a widow with an orphan. Andromache by “connecting the dots” of all these experiences and emotions is making her lament even more powerful. It is as if she is making a call for a different philosophy of life away from wars and death. Here again we have a clear marker that makes the reader question the larger issue of the whole poem: Is heroic achievement and its associated “kleos” the highest objective in life? In contrast, Andromache is reminding us of the value of life focused on family, close to the near and dear. **Iliad 24 725-745 Andromache’s lament after Hector is dead** *[725] “Husband,” she cried, “you have died young, and leave me in your house a widow; he of whom we are the ill-starred parents is still a mere child, and I fear he may not reach manhood.* Andromache now sees herself as the victim. She lost her husband, she is fearful of the future, scared that her child would fall victim of vengeance and deceived that her husband did not leave a final word to help her with her days and nights of mourning. In this lament we see the destruction of the “ideal” couple”, Hector is dead and Andromache is victimized, making us question the moral and emotional dilemma, “kleos through heroic achievement” vs. commitment to life itself without heroic rewards. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1369191 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SophiaCoro FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T17:37:03Z IndexTAG: 26 TitleTAG: [FROM STAFF] Please visit the Course Info page for news about Assessments and an Important Note on Using the Courseware Video Player Dear Participants, please be sure to visit the [Course Info page][1] as soon as possible. We have posted two very important messages. The first is a message from Professor Nagy and Professor Muellner about assessments, “explorers”, and “certificate-seekers”. The second message provide guidance on how to see _all_ the videos in each hour. We want to make sure everyone sees all the content that we've made available. Best, Claudia [1]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/info UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T03:44:39Z VoteTAG:31 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 22 FirstChildTAG: Thank you for the clarification, Claudia! I must admit that I am a bit frustrated as I thought that until today I had reviewed all of the material for Hour 0 - and until I read your message above I noticed that's NOT the case!! Arghhhhh!! No sleep tonight I guess. :) Looking forward to the assessment anyway - ready or not... -clacas FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1405512 FirstChildUserNameTAG: clacas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T04:39:25Z SecondChildTAG: Same here! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1401227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenRouso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T09:48:10Z SecondChildTAG: So sorry for the confusion, clacas! And please get sleep. You can work at your own pace to complete the course by June 26th. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T19:06:21Z SecondChildTAG: i would like to ask if someone knows how to change our profile to certificate seeker??? i can't find it. Thank you for your time. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220707 SecondChildUserNameTAG: efipapa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T16:33:17Z SecondChildTAG: Just do the work and you are automatically a certificate seeker. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T20:50:24Z SecondChildTAG: i can't find the assessment.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1317956 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Escoalbar SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T19:38:50Z SecondChildTAG: Courseware bottom two items under hour 1 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T20:15:20Z SecondChildTAG: so did I, and it seems like I have to stay up late almost every night. However, that is a consequence that we should take to seek a certificate, isn't it? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 985170 SecondChildUserNameTAG: magnificath SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T08:30:19Z FirstChildTAG: Claudia, this still does not answer the ongoing problem of being disenfranchised because of location. Many of the videos, even when you use the linear navigation bar, are not available to students in China. I have already brought these problems to the attention of your technical staff, who tell me that there is nothing that they can do! No wonder Harvard is losing its ranking as a top university. You seem to be very disorganised. Is technology too difficult for Ancient Greek scholars? Adam FirstChildUserIdTAG: 560398 FirstChildUserNameTAG: adamhunter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T06:26:54Z SecondChildTAG: There was a download button and an MP3 download option in H0. It seems to have disappeared in H1. I'm OK - I used a brute force piece of download software called "VideoDownloader (a Firefox addon) but it won't help people in China or Bangladesh. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T07:32:44Z SecondChildTAG: I can't find the download option for Hour 1 either. Where is the add-on to download it please bprescott-decie? I use Firefox but I can't stream the videos, it's too slow, so I have to download to be able to watch them. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 894297 SecondChildUserNameTAG: FIONA99 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T13:35:32Z SecondChildTAG: Adam, it seems to me that the staff at Harvard have been polite, responsive, and are making an effort to accommodate people from across the world. In any case, the IT aspect is managed by the EDx platform staff, not the Harvard staff. There's no need to insult our kind hosts, particularly when the problem is caused by censorship and lack of freedoms in China and other parts of the world. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1362291 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CHoyt SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:02:35Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, it is important to realize that the platform is run by edX not Harvard, and the engineers at edX are working very hard! Although it is frustrating, this is a remarkable first effort. Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T21:05:55Z SecondChildTAG: I'd forgotten how detached from the real world academia is. Please forgive me.Virtually every country in the world has some form of Internet censorship, including the USA. Please never forget that China is 20% of the world population and should you choose to exclude it, you will only perpetuate the generations of separation of East from West. As for EdX, I have not had the same problems with the MIT course that I am attempting...... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 560398 SecondChildUserNameTAG: adamhunter SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T02:37:06Z SecondChildTAG: I just left China, but I certainly found that not having access to this type of information was frustrating at best. Hopefully the Chinese governmment will open up the Great Firewall further to allow more educational materials in. I guess in the meantime we can console ourselves to the value of being part of a pioneering experience. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1087616 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KenMacDonell1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T03:31:41Z SecondChildTAG: It's only a form of protectionism. Even the Ancient Greeks indulged in this. When designing Global Internet Projects you have to decide whether or not you want to be inclusive or exclusive and tailor your offering accordingly. My viewpoint is that you should always strive to be inclusive, however, there is always a cost.... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 560398 SecondChildUserNameTAG: adamhunter SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T04:50:46Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you for the useful information, Claudia! We've been looking forward to it! Hope that things will be clearer from now on! Marianna FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T07:04:01Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks, Marianna! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:47:59Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you, Claudia! Time to catch up :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1318989 FirstChildUserNameTAG: InkaMagnaye19 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T09:30:36Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for your patience, InkaMagnaye19! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:48:24Z FirstChildTAG: thanks Claudia..Unfortunately i hadnt seen all the videos......thanks so much again!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1295396 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Elpinikaki FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T09:11:50Z SecondChildTAG: Glad it helped! Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:48:39Z SecondChildTAG: I missed more than one half the videos and went to the testing: wipe out ! Love Vjim SecondChildUserIdTAG: 938644 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vjim SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T03:47:52Z FirstChildTAG: I read it last night, it certainly made me feel better, more relaxed and secure - thank you again / Harvard is the top university of the world and I wish we can all speak with more respect on this huge effort - we are all beginners on this one FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T08:29:50Z SecondChildTAG: I concur. What was it Louis CK said about "everything's perfect and no one is happy"? relax. have a coffee. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1400103 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AbecedariusRex SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T15:58:06Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for your patience! Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:49:11Z SecondChildTAG: I wanted to ask you this from the very beginning....are you at all aware that your name is to us the best introduction you could have? the word filos means friend / ;) I so love the videos SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T23:25:02Z FirstChildTAG: Finished hour zero but can't find videos anyone help? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1101784 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Linda34_ FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T12:05:12Z SecondChildTAG: Do you mean the videos for Hour 1? Or for Hour 0? Both should be available in the Courseware tab. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:49:58Z FirstChildTAG: What about deadlines? Must we to do the assessment right today or during the week? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1143274 FirstChildUserNameTAG: petru44o1991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T12:51:18Z SecondChildTAG: Hi petru44o1991, you can work at your own pace to finish the course by June 26th. It is very, very flexible. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:35:44Z FirstChildTAG: ...And where we can do our assessments? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1171293 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Luna89 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T13:21:02Z SecondChildTAG: In the courseware tab SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1437002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AmeliaSweet SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T13:47:44Z SecondChildTAG: found no access under courseware,,, SecondChildUserIdTAG: 903288 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lrjeyakaran SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T16:10:55Z SecondChildTAG: Under courseware, click on the tab at the bottom - "Hour 1." SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374891 SecondChildUserNameTAG: alohapaulette SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T16:27:06Z SecondChildTAG: no exercises or assessments for "0" in that case? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 903288 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lrjeyakaran SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T16:54:27Z SecondChildTAG: No, "0" = Introduction. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374891 SecondChildUserNameTAG: alohapaulette SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T17:16:12Z SecondChildTAG: I have been a bit frustrated by the correct or not aspects of the essays in the assessments. Twice I answered what should have been the correct answer, but it seems to have been counted wrong because the wording was not exact. Has anyone else had a similar event? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1431569 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Pyrrha SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T18:28:31Z SecondChildTAG: It would be very helpful to have this discussed in the course info. It feels as if I am working in the dark. Also the mechanics of submitting answers is unclear. "final check" is submit and "save" is keep to work on later? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T20:21:06Z SecondChildTAG: Pyrrha, I have experienced that issue. I am rather frustrated by it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1397150 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KendraClopton SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T00:23:51Z SecondChildTAG: I agree and still don't know the proper way to submit answers to multiple choice or essay type questions. I filled out the first assessments, but didn't see any 'submit' button so that I feel sure they have in fact been submitted. Can you define 'final check,' and 'save,' and how to submit answers, and whether they are still available after being submitted to look at? WS SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1419227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: WayneSherwood SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T20:24:05Z FirstChildTAG: I have a suggestion regarding the "introduction to hour" videos. They are long and full of much information. For future consideration I would find them more effective if broken into sections and imbedded into the reading with links. ie, at the end of a section of slow reading the link would appear for Prof Nagy's explanation of intent. In that respect the information would have a concrete connection for the reader. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895328 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LaGue FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T14:30:10Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks so much for this feedback! I am sharing it with our team. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:36:55Z SecondChildTAG: Also (I think I mentioned this elsewhere) please list the length in minutes of the videos, as in done on Coursera classes (the ones I've taken there). It helps in terms of planning one's time. Thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lmarie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T01:42:15Z SecondChildTAG: I agree. Would like the videos embedded in the text at the relevant point. It would have better flow. Other elements are excellent (but I too got caught in my experimenting with the assessment buttons). Congrats on all the work that has gone into the design of this course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1095005 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Peregrina SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T23:23:16Z FirstChildTAG: I read a more detailed description of the assessments last night and can't find it this morning. I'm sure I didn't dream it. Where should I look? It described the types of questions for one thing. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T14:57:39Z SecondChildTAG: Under Courseware, Hour 1. Does that help? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374891 SecondChildUserNameTAG: alohapaulette SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T16:17:32Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T23:33:41Z FirstChildTAG: Whoa. I have a lot more videos to watch! I'd wondered why he didn't actually discuss the texts in detail in the videos. Now I know. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1373005 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elizabeth801 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T16:30:24Z SecondChildTAG: So glad this clarified things! Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:37:26Z FirstChildTAG: I can follow H24H and the video under courseware and I can read along with the students except text C. All other readings follow word for word and I can't correlate the words spoken by the male student following the printed introduction for Hour 0 text c. can someone help please? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1323951 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dougcasey FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T16:46:49Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Doug, You are correct. There is an error at C. The transcript and the text don't match up. So sorry! Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:38:38Z FirstChildTAG: Feedback for Staff: **Re the videos**, some geographical areas are at a disadvantage, as several people reported. A workaround is to copy/paste **the transcript** to a text file, and to read it at my own pace. However the "copy" part is laborious, since highlighting the transcript is like trying to paint on teflon. I believe that it would help hundreds of people if you could **provide the transcripts as text or RTF files** which one can download. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1310393 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ecclesiastes FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T17:15:47Z SecondChildTAG: This is how I copy the transcript: Pause the video, highlight few lines of texts, then use keyboard shortcut (shift + ↓) to highlight the rest, finally use Ctrl C to copy. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 158797 SecondChildUserNameTAG: leeling SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T17:33:51Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Ecclesiastes, thank you for this feedback. I am sharing this with the team. You may also be interested to know that we are posting downloadable audio files. These will be posted directly below the video window in the courseware tab. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:40:52Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Leeling and ClaudiaFilos. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1310393 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ecclesiastes SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T06:23:31Z FirstChildTAG: I have finished the questions for Hour1. Could anyone from the stuff kindly inform me how they will be submitted? Is it automatically going on or what? Any clarification would be mostly welcome. PS. I've noticed that the questions were automatically corrected. But what about the short answers we are supposed to write? Thank you in advance. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1331092 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stiliani FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:31:59Z SecondChildTAG: Dear stiliani, all the answers are submitted automatically. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:42:06Z FirstChildTAG: I missed some of them. Was nice to see you in the videos and put a face with the name FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T00:52:02Z FirstChildTAG: Where can I find the assessments? And the settings to see if i'm listed as certificate seeker? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 963006 FirstChildUserNameTAG: trustingHim FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T21:49:04Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks Claudia !!!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T07:59:02Z FirstChildTAG: Is anyone else having issues with some of the videos loading, and some of them not loading? It doesn't seem to matter if the video is short or long. Some will play and some will not. They stop at 0:02 or 0:03 and... that's it. I come back later and the same videos that played once will play again, and the same ones that would not play, still won't play. Thanks FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1087390 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Creseida FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T17:36:01Z FirstChildTAG: I still can't see all the videos for Hour 0. I only got to download 3 videos and nothing new seems to be coming up. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 130503 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sneha13 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T08:12:06Z FirstChildTAG: I did not get videos to play under mozerella, so I downloaded google chrome and it works great. Oh also I found the H24H downloaded perfectly on my "Adobe Digital" FirstChildUserIdTAG: 263446 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Riverdaughter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T04:44:27Z FirstChildTAG: I had a problem with the annotation excercises for hour I, apparently because I did not follow the given order, eg.: in questions 1,2 and 4 I first answered the second part of the question (choosing the correct semantic tag) but then when I typed my answer to the first part of the question I couldn't manage to submit it. In question 3 I answered the questions in the given order and it worked. I would like to know if there's a way I can still submit the answers that are missing. Thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1354773 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Maia2013 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T05:11:26Z IndexTAG: 27 TitleTAG: [FROM STAFF] Hour 0 in H24H=Introductions Please note that Hour 0 = "Introduction to the Book" and "Introduction to Homeric Poetry" in The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours (h24h). Best, Claudia UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:01:44Z VoteTAG:31 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 22 FirstChildTAG: Ευχαριστώ! Thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 942603 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DionysusEm FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T16:31:25Z SecondChildTAG: Great. I just learn my first Greek phrase. I knew a few words after working in Greek restaurants many years ago in Ithaca, New York. Never knew what they looked like, though. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T19:28:13Z SecondChildTAG: Ευχαριστούμε !!!! Thank you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T23:13:09Z SecondChildTAG: thnx SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1408480 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Meraj_133 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T08:01:43Z SecondChildTAG: Did you work at the Cosmopolitan just off the main campus gate? I was also in Ithaca many years ago. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1236030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Bogatyr SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T22:24:47Z SecondChildTAG: thanks SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1371431 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mvsp SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T06:52:42Z SecondChildTAG: Perhaps it would be useful to add an extended comment on the possible meanings and use of the Greek prefix eu-? I learned some latin in school, but no Greek, and only know some phrases such as eudaimon. I have written a few one-page essays as they occurred to me, and may send them in occasionally. How do I distinguish what I think is my group/Briseis? wh SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 SecondChildUserNameTAG: whaskett SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T12:37:09Z SecondChildTAG: thank you SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1114168 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mohaimo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T04:04:39Z SecondChildTAG: i had to read more than one time, i think i need more time than it should be to finish every Hour.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 985170 SecondChildUserNameTAG: magnificath SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T08:12:38Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you, ClaudiaFilos! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1287227 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DenisTheLearner FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:21:25Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Claudia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1242383 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EshaLall SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:22:00Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Claudia, my name is Maria and i am from greece. i've just watched the videos that prof. Nagy and his team has uploaded and i must say that i found them useful because he immediately intriduced us to terms which are important in the Illiad (lament)and the Odyssey (man). Apart from congratulating you for your wonderful job i have to ask you something regaring evaluation. in the syllabus i read that we will be assessed through quizes, participation etc. Can you please elaborate on how this evaluation will take place? thank you in advance, mary SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1218595 SecondChildUserNameTAG: markazaki SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:33:02Z SecondChildTAG: I am Samer from Lebanon. I share the same concerns with Maria; she could not have said it better.. Thanks Mary. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1415496 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SamerFakih SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:49:04Z SecondChildTAG: I totally agree with my partners, I would be really useful to know it from the start. Thanks for your work, it's awesome!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 966098 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vickicki SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T13:09:25Z SecondChildTAG: i was just wondering about the same things..thank you Maria, Manos from Greece SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1381211 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Drakonakis7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T13:48:57Z SecondChildTAG: Same here, Claudia. How do we get the information, , do we participate in live forum or just discussion forum, do we receive the quizzes and tests by e-mail, how long a time do we have to answer... Questions, questions, questions! Lailson - From Brazil SecondChildUserIdTAG: 983580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LailsonHolanda SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T13:55:17Z SecondChildTAG: Ditto. And thank you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1367963 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NormaVasquez SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T14:37:13Z SecondChildTAG: Me as well. I'm feeling that I should be doing something but don't know what that is. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1048094 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lindsaywriter SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T14:46:47Z SecondChildTAG: I agree with the previous comments. I like to have my coursework detailed as early in the semester as possible, especially since I use multiple devices to stay on top of my work. I primarily use the Kindle or Android for readings, but will need to use the PC for discussions and etcetera work. It would be great to know in advance how much time I need to reserve for PC usage, as my schedule is busy and strict. Sincerely, Kendra C. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1397150 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KendraClopton SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T14:51:30Z SecondChildTAG: from now im only reading over and over again iliad scroll 1,what more can i do ? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1206285 SecondChildUserNameTAG: chris26111980 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T15:15:31Z SecondChildTAG: Here's a post by Leonard Muellner earlier this morning: ..there will be at least two for each hour, beginning with Hour 1. The video and the exercises for Hour 1 will be released on Monday; for Hour 2 on Thursday of next week; and at that rhythm for the rest of the course. The reading assignments for the whole course are set out in the syllabus, and advice on how to approach them in detail can be found on the "Advice for Students" (we prefer participants to students, but that's the edX term) tab. Let me know if you still have questions (I'm Lenny from the board of readers). –posted about an hour ago by Lenny_Muellnerstaff (emphasis added by Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1206285 SecondChildUserNameTAG: chris26111980 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T15:18:46Z SecondChildTAG: thank you for your response Lenny. Of course we prefer the term participants than students since we all participate in order to get in touch with the ancienct greek ideals SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1218595 SecondChildUserNameTAG: markazaki SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T18:53:54Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Leonard for this explanation. We really deeded it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1420826 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lety-Guerrero SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T23:58:02Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Lenny! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 894820 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sioux SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T09:02:55Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for your response Lenny ! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1147901 SecondChildUserNameTAG: cuapingu SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T14:23:40Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Lenny, now it is starting to make sense. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 37536 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pcwalton1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T21:04:35Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you a lot Lenny !!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T23:15:20Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks a lot Lenny!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 375549 SecondChildUserNameTAG: twedee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T02:07:45Z FirstChildTAG: i cant read other peoples comments-why not ? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1206285 FirstChildUserNameTAG: chris26111980 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T13:58:18Z SecondChildTAG: I couldn't either at first. I was using Internet Explorer as my web browser and when I changed (on a hunch and previous experience) to Opera I could see replies. But I have just realised that this is a pointless post as you won't be able to see my reply! I may repost this as a new post. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1209643 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JoeClarke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T19:02:41Z SecondChildTAG: The edX platform is optimized to Chrome and Firefox. It's best to use them. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T20:16:56Z SecondChildTAG: That would be a good thing to put in the syllabus. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935479 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T00:46:51Z SecondChildTAG: safari works just fine, too! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T17:34:27Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Zacharo, Greece. I have similar questions. I wish everyone to have an "exciting trip". FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1149561 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aabraamid FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T15:59:29Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Aabraamid, I am wishing you the same. Greetings from Mexico. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1420826 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lety-Guerrero SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T23:59:15Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Claudia, I am finding it difficult to follow directives from one window to another in finding the proper links. Is it possible to provide links in the syllabus that link directly to the reading. For example, I cannot find any wording "Introduction to the Book". I only find "Introduction to the Greek Hero" and that is a video, not a reading. Thanks. PS I am not a novice to online learning. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895328 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LaGue FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T16:03:42Z SecondChildTAG: *Introduction to the book* is the first section in the Sourcebook and H24H textbook which are accessed via the links at the top of the screen ^^ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T16:26:33Z SecondChildTAG: Sorry to be such a pain, but I tried those links and cannot find Slow reading, Hour 0, Texts A-H (= 8 passages). I also looked in Courseware as advised and it only has videos. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 895328 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LaGue SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T21:45:56Z SecondChildTAG: I found the answer under Ecclesiastes below here. I guess I didn't understand that the slow reading would be embedded in the fast reading and was trying to find it in a separate link. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 895328 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LaGue SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T21:50:20Z SecondChildTAG: LaGue, you will find the 8 passages (text A-H) at the final of the *Introduction to the Greek Hero* page. Here's the link. https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/htmlbook/0/ I hope it can help you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1420826 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lety-Guerrero SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T00:06:47Z SecondChildTAG: Sorry, at the final of *Introduction to Homeric Poetry"* SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1420826 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lety-Guerrero SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T00:08:21Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I decided to join this course to complete what I'm currently learning for script writing (movies). So my question is: is there any cohort related to script writers or to the world of movies (cinema)? French FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1346922 FirstChildUserNameTAG: French FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T16:43:46Z SecondChildTAG: Hi French, I think you will find that as the course progresses, you will see how Homer and the Greeks used the epic and tragedies to write. I do not think you will find anywhere in this course how to write movie scripts. You will see and find how to write with power and purpose to the end your work will last more than 90 minutes. Good luck of your scrip writing. Bobby Arizona USA SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T20:44:54Z SecondChildTAG: I don't know if any of the course cohorts are especially focused on the relationship of script writing and this topic, but the models of the Greek heroes, especially as interpreted and popularized by Joseph Campbell and others, is prevalent in many filmwriting guides and manuals. But even Sergei Eisenstein saw Homer as creating a kind of "montage" in his narratives. (Of course, Eisenstein was prone to seeing "montage" pop up in lots of places before the movies came along.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T22:17:12Z SecondChildTAG: Along the lines of *donl2103*, I think you will find fine examples in the *Iliad* (and developed 3,000 years ago!) for a script writer of what we regard as being integral to cinema technique: an *in medias res* beginning, parallel plotting, jump cuts, flash forwards, flashbacks, compressed and extended time, as well as fully fleshed, complex characters with incredible and consistent dialog. I can also see how Eisenstein found a precursor to montage in the battles of the heroes. I get all Odessa Steps-ish just thinking about it. The relevant Campbell text is *Hero With a Thousand Faces*. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935479 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T05:16:08Z SecondChildTAG: oops: donl2013. I transpose therefore am I. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935479 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobdunn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T05:17:08Z FirstChildTAG: Question for Staff: "Courseware" asks us to read 3 items. I can find item A and C but where is item B with its 8 passages A-H? Read the following for Hour 0: (a) Read "Introduction to the Book" and "Introduction to Homeric Poetry" in The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours (h24h). (b) Slow reading in h24h: Hour 0 Texts A through H (= 8 passages) (c) Fast reading in the Sourcebook: Iliad scroll I FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1310393 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ecclesiastes FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T17:50:56Z SecondChildTAG: The texts are the ones included on "Introduction to Homeric Poetry", for example, you'll find Text A behind the point 0$20: "0§20. We find the clearest statement about the subject ... of the hero Achilles: Hour 0 Text A |1 Anger [mēnis], goddess, sing it, of Achilles son of Peleus - |2 disastrous [oulomenē] anger that made countless pains [algea] for the Achaeans, |3 and many steadfast lives [psūkhai] it drove down to Hādēs, |4 heroes' lives, but their bodies [10] it made prizes for dogs |5 and for all birds, and the Will of Zeus was reaching its fulfillment [telos] - |6 sing starting from the point where the two - I now see it - first had a falling out, engaging in strife [eris], |7 I mean, [Agamemnon] the son of Atreus, lord of men, and radiant Achilles. |8 So, which one of the gods was it who impelled the two to fight with each other in strife [eris]? |9 It was [Apollo] the son of Leto and of Zeus. For he [= Apollo], infuriated at the king [= Agamemnon], |10 caused an evil disease to arise throughout the mass of warriors, and the people were getting destroyed. Iliad I 1-10 [11] " Hope I have helped you :D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 966098 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vickicki SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T18:01:53Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you. Perhaps you need to add this pointer under the table of contents in Courseware / Hour 0 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1310393 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ecclesiastes SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T20:05:45Z FirstChildTAG: I can't see the glossary in H24H. It is in the table of contents text, but not in the list of links that I see. I need it! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T18:36:07Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Priscilla, Good to see you again. You must be a Pelopian. Nice to see a familiar post. Bobby Arizona USA SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T20:46:28Z FirstChildTAG: Γεια σας από Ελλάδα και την Πάτρα (δυτική Πελοπόννησο) Εξαίρετη η δουλειά σας Συγχαρητήρια για τις γνώσεις σας σχετικά με τους Ελληνες και μάλιστα τους Ελληνες Ήρωες γιατί οι Ελληνες τίποτε άλλο δεν θα μπορούσαν να είναι . Δυσκολεύομαι με την πλατφόρμα οφείλω να ομολογήσω οτι το coursera που παρακολουθώ κάποια άλλα σεμινάρια (διαλέξεις)ειναι πιο άνετο Έχω τα ίδια ερωτήματα με όλους ΚΑΙ ΔΗ ΣΧΕΤΙΚΆ ΜΕ ΤΑ ΚΟΥΙΖ (τις αναθέσεις )και πότε θα αναρτηθούν Είμαι Ελληνίδα και συγγραφέας και πιστεύω ότι η δουλειά σας είναι εξαίρετη Για μας όλα αυτό είναι χιλιοειπωμενα και γνωστα για τους ξένους είναι σημαντικό να γνωρίσουν το μεγαλείο της Ελλάδας Σας ευχαριστούμε πολύ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 51769 FirstChildUserNameTAG: eftichiak FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T21:30:49Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Claudia Hi,I have a question, how are we going to be evaluated and when, I mean how, is it an exam or an essay, and when, now, next week or at the end of the course FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1397209 FirstChildUserNameTAG: martineg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T22:14:12Z FirstChildTAG: Hi. Once we are done our readings, where do we do our homework? Is there homework? I'm totally confused, sorry! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1383460 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JJingram FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T22:32:28Z FirstChildTAG: I'm wondering if a bibliography for H24H might be available. I can't find one and would be very interested in examining a few of the references made in the introductory chapters. Thank you for your kind help with this. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1027744 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Alexia_M FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T22:47:49Z SecondChildTAG: and the glossary. I'm nagging. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T23:01:17Z SecondChildTAG: I just got to footnote 14 in the second intro and was about to add that to my note, Priscilla. Studious minds think alike... :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1027744 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexia_M SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T23:10:02Z SecondChildTAG: They answered my other post saying that both bibliography and glossary would appear shortly. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T23:23:01Z SecondChildTAG: Wonderful - thank you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1027744 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexia_M SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T23:57:38Z FirstChildTAG: Hi my name is Nelly and I am from Greece. I find the course very interesting and I am very happy to participate. I have the same questions as many others , about the exercises , especially how we can find them. I hope it will be easy for us to get them. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1270646 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NellyFili FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T22:49:33Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I am from Switzerland and I had ancient Greek language and literature in high school a loooong time ago. Thank you so much for this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1382503 FirstChildUserNameTAG: calmansi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T01:35:12Z FirstChildTAG: Is there a downloadable version of the textbooks that I could access offline? Thanks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1104702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CaroMarie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T02:51:21Z SecondChildTAG: I think textbooks are downloadable version, but i'm not sure its legal or not. you can also checkout this link http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/fall2011_fas_dce/notes_fall11/NagyAncientGreekHero24Hours_first8hrs_2011-10-02.pdf SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1087507 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nodee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T03:22:17Z FirstChildTAG: Happy Tuesday, I'm BarbaraC, a wordsmith. I've read The Iliad & The Odyssey before, & listened to both on audio-tape, but never so closely. However, my reaction is the same: Nothing has really been written since the Iliad/Odyssey- just reworking of the original. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T03:25:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hello and thank you for the amazing course! I've already read the Hour 0 and it was really interesting and amazing! Alexandra from Thessaloniki FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1302711 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Alexandra_92 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T07:33:52Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Claudia, I have the same queries as everybody else. I have read the Introductions as well as the other Sourcebook data, plus watched the videos- thank you for sharing such wonderful pieces of work! But what do I do now? What kind of quiz shall we have and when- considering our timings differ? How do I get to know about this? Also, how do I prepare for the quizzes? Thank you! Best, Esha FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1242383 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EshaLall FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T10:33:00Z SecondChildTAG: Exactly the same ESHA............. I want to ask which are the exercises; SecondChildUserIdTAG: 51769 SecondChildUserNameTAG: eftichiak SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T15:02:32Z SecondChildTAG: I'm not authorized to answer, but I think ClaudiaFilos and other staff members have said that Hour 0 doesn't include any exercises. Only after Hour 1 we will be able to undertake certain quizzes and other assignments. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1342894 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EleftheriosTserkezis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T19:09:46Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks EleftheriosTserkezis! So we just read this for an understanding and quizzes etc start next Monday? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1242383 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EshaLall SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T08:14:53Z SecondChildTAG: I hate to sound stupid, but does anyone know what A to H means? I can't find it. I'm reading the Iliad, but what is the assignment & what is A to H? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 916354 SecondChildUserNameTAG: wcoventry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T09:06:34Z SecondChildTAG: In the introduction to Homeric Poetry section and in the hours that follow, there are translated passages with annotation of the actual Greek word used. These passages are for the slow reading that is central to this class. They are indicated by the letters A, B, ... You can't miss them as you read H24H but they are not separate items that you can click on. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T15:35:14Z FirstChildTAG: Does spelling count ? ;) Love Vjim FirstChildUserIdTAG: 938644 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vjim FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T03:06:13Z FirstChildTAG: Hellow! I am facing a problem with my personal page. When I click on my name (from where I have posted something) I used to go at my page, but now I can't. It goes to a page "mistake 404 not found" ! Please help ... maybe the software team ... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T21:54:37Z SecondChildTAG: it happened and still happens. What you need to do is to repeat your attempt (click 'Refresh' or 'Reload' button or icon with this function in your browser) in several seconds. Sometimes you will need to repeat this quite a few times. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DenisTheLearner SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T08:29:53Z SecondChildTAG: Also sometimes the servers happen to be down. Yesterday was a message about technical difficulties, in other edX servers as well. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 392391 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EZ SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T23:06:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, Claudia the videos of Professor Gregory I've read have been very useful for me, I Know a little about Greek literature, and I hope that I can continue learning every day. Thank you. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 967254 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sanchez04 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T22:53:18Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, Claudia I'm a little bit worried because I'm not recieving the emails that are being send. Maybe there's a problem with my account... P.S. I am aware of the information thanks to the wonderful Facebook group for spanish speakers. Thank you Yissel FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1278740 FirstChildUserNameTAG: YisselAcosta FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T16:00:27Z IndexTAG: 28 TitleTAG: What is everybody's background? So, my dear fellow heroes and heroines, what are you doing besides being HarvardX students? I'm a copywriter. And when I'm not copywriting, I'm studying humanities. My contact with Greek literature has been pretty shallow so far and I can't wait to dig deeper into the field. :) Curious to read your stories. Cheers, Sandra EDIT: I bought a "G"! UserIdTAG: 844461 UserNameTAG: Sandra1306 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T21:15:25Z VoteTAG:29 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 152 FirstChildTAG: Dear Sandra, I have studied French and Italian literature in the States and France however my passions lie in Food and Reading. Through this course I am hoping to satisfy the second one. Being Greek I have grown up with Greek literature at school and at home and have studied a good deal of it in college. Im really excited about this course. Thank you for starting the thread! Cheers! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279699 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CSMALAKASIS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T21:28:59Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Sandra! I am studying history and pedagogy in Croatia and my everlasting passion is ancient history and persian history, but when it comes to hearing history courses online from worldwide known professors then I am definitely in to it :D Best regards Dubravko SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134887 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Dubravko SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T20:33:32Z SecondChildTAG: Interesting question. I stopped my studies at high school but I've always been fond of history and red a lot of books. I also found a teacher that make me love these wonderful stories of Iliades and Odissey.I'm 45 and I'm a secretary and I'm looking forward to improve myself with this course. Hope to do my best SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1275834 SecondChildUserNameTAG: claudia67 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T11:08:17Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra! I'm a work at home first time mommy/former bartender who just wanted to expand my mind...I don't speak any other languages...I'm not super exciting, just super excited about this course :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1175070 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Tishious FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T03:52:49Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Tishious, we are so glad that you enrolled! Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T14:33:40Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Claudia :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1175070 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Tishious SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T21:11:55Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Tishious and Sandra, I am also a former bartender. Now I am a full-time seminary student (which is not as big of a difference as some people think haha). Sandra, I am an occaisional part-time copywriter and SEO text writer as well. I currently live in South Carolina. Finding common bonds is pretty cool :) Best, Chris Crawford SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1436440 SecondChildUserNameTAG: xcrawford SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T04:43:08Z SecondChildTAG: Another bartender here. But 15 yrs ago I decided to get a M.A. in History. Then I was working in an academic library for 9 years while earning a M.S. in Library Library Science. Also published two books. And now... I'm back to bartending. Can't get an academic job. So I'm hoping having this on my resume will help. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 916354 SecondChildUserNameTAG: wcoventry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T08:09:24Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone! I'm a Brazilian Engineering student in Germany! Despite my "mathematical and physics" graduation, I've always been curious about our world history. And, I have to say, maybe one of the unconscious reasons (and, maybe, the strongest one) for me to be enrolled in this course was my fascination, as a kid, with Greek mythology. I mean, I used to love the histories and cartoons of the Greek Heroes! I'm trying now to find some time to get to understand this subject a little bit more, instead of just being fascinated with it. In other words, I want both! It's already a pleasure to meet you all. I really hope we all can get to learn and add something with this course to our lives, together! Cheers, Fábio Molinar. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1295070 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fabiomolinar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T11:08:18Z FirstChildTAG: Hi all. I'm from beautiful British Columbia, Canada. I work in a post-secondary institution in a research office. I have my undergraduate degree in Greek and Roman Studies and have my master's degree in Classics from Trinity College Dublin. I'm looking very forward to expanding my knowledge about the Greek hero and Greek literature. Best, Ash FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1296837 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AshleyRichards FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T17:10:15Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Ash, I'm from Dublin, Ireland and my plan is to apply to Trinity College and study Classics next year. It will be my first time attending college and I'll be a freshman at the age of thirty (eek!) How did you find studying at Trinity??! Alison :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1242469 SecondChildUserNameTAG: allyg21 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T02:23:09Z FirstChildTAG: I'm James Trotta. I dreamt of writing a novel set in Troy. I've been sidetracked by a career teaching English for the past 12 years or so and starting in the fall I'll be further derailed when I begin a PhD in Instructional Systems. Rather than write my novel during my free time I work on a travel website and a few other websites. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1100744 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jamestrotta FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T06:57:22Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone! I am from Great Britain and Australia and have degrees in Education, Art and Design and Interpersonal Relationships. I have had a long, varied and interesting life so far and I don't see it changing. I am a writer working on her first novel and my research brought me here as I am interested in the Greek mythology. I read all the Greek Myths as a young woman and have never forgotten them so this will be an opportunity for re-examining the stories and learning from them and maybe re-telling their stories in my novels. Welcome and Smiles to all! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T07:02:41Z FirstChildTAG: Goodmorning. My name is Despoina and I am an undergraduate in Hellenic Civilization. I love history and reading. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T06:54:02Z FirstChildTAG: Happy to see, that so many fellow writers are here too! I'm positive we'll get a lot out of this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 844461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T21:54:26Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everybody I'm 37 next 19th of March, I live near Marseille-France, and work from home as an independant assistant for lawyers, psychiatrist, doctors, etc... I know a very few of Ancient Greece and I'm very glad to meet you all FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1179264 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Andrea1976 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T10:40:05Z FirstChildTAG: so beside being a new student here :P I study on art academy in my hometown and I am second year beside that I draw all the time,part of being artist is knowledge,if I want to know Italian art it would be bonus to know background,as well here in greek culture,knowing is one step to understanding so I cant wait to course start...Beside that I play the piano in my spare time, I am reading a lot(even tho those books are not some hard to understand book like James Patterson etc,the books that will entertain me) and I cook ^.^ but so far I am just a student trying to prepare exams FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1290633 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Vojin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T00:31:45Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everybody, I'm en English professor and a student for a second degree in greek civilization at the same time. I grew up in Greece and I still live here. Greek Ancient Heroes had always fascinated me and I really hope this course will be fun!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1329628 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KateKent FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T14:35:30Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra! Hi everyone! Greetings from Brazil! I have graduated in Law and currently I work as a civil servant for the Federal Court in my State. I'm also graduated in Portuguese Language and take this Mooc course as a hobby. Best wishes! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 971010 FirstChildUserNameTAG: IaraLages FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T01:12:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I'm a retired History/Politics teacher - also a bookworm - living in Seville Spain. Here I am surrounded by Roman remains, so Greek Ancient heroes will make a nice change!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Athene FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T09:17:17Z SecondChildTAG: That's very good. The romans myths come from greeks. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1327668 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Boyuan SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T00:31:19Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I am a graphic designer and sometimes reporter/photographer for a small newspaper in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania. Just collecting hobbies here in the woods. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1213334 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jdworrall FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T16:28:43Z SecondChildTAG: I am also a graphic designer, with a main focus on advertising and print media. I live in the mountains of East Tennessee. This is my fourth MOOC class, but the first from HarvardX. I just love to learn! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 901756 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LoriWilhoit SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T17:02:28Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everybody! I am Eunice, a current student and a Program Coordinator at an after school program. I enjoy reading about ancient Greek civilization, which drew me into this course! I live in Chicago, IL. I cannot wait until this class begins! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1237997 FirstChildUserNameTAG: heredef FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T21:17:08Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra, I am a chemist and work in the pharmaceutical industry. I come from Greece and I live in Switzerland. Greek heroes continue to inspire me and reveal me unknown destinations. I look forward to this course, to explore thinking and share ideas all over the world..... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1307515 FirstChildUserNameTAG: V0liss0s FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T22:37:28Z SecondChildTAG: So I'm NOT the only one! My first degree was in Chemistry (1999). In 2011, I earned my BA in Philosophy, and I intend to continue along that path. I thought I was the only crazy person who was interested in both science AND ancient Greek thought! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1358512 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SteffaniMK SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:03:32Z SecondChildTAG: Me too - but the other way round: I am a literary person (playwright and fiction/non-fiction writer) who loves science. My last play was a commission of the Swiss Academy of Natural Sciences for Darwin's Bicentennial in 2009. I spent 18 monts working in close cooperation with the scientists of the academy - fascinating. Since than my main literary focus has been on the impact of scientific progress on humanity and the environment. I started the biology edx course a couple of days ago but gave up, as I saw I won't have to time to write full-time, seriously take part in the Greek Hero class and then stuff my brain with scientific formulas (the course begin with Chemistry)... But I am taking the bioethics Coursera class in a few months. To me science is the great adventure of our time - full of promises and risks! That's what I write about now. (I'm Swiss too by the way). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T18:10:05Z SecondChildTAG: Hey! My first degree was a B.S. in Chemistry (1969). For the chemists among us, I worked at Chemical Abstracts in Columbus OH for 17 years, then changed course. I studied for a M.Ed. in Counseling (1992) and a M.Div. in Theology (1997). I've been an ordained pastor since 1997. I'm on medical leave, with time on my hands, heard about HarvardX and investigated what was offered. I'm more interested in Humanities, so here I am! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1419735 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Carter64 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T03:23:48Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Sandra, I have studied a pure philosophy from Socrates to Heidegger, as well as some issues from early Christianity, like The City of God, the great book by St. Augustine, but my true love is literature. Orwell, Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Joyce... especially their short stories... Greetings from Croatia! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1298657 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stewkam FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T00:01:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra I am Welsh but live in London, UK. I am a recently retired (female) engineer in the oil and gas industry (yes we do exist) - I ran my own one woman consultancy company. I have always loved mythology, history and the arts in general, but had to choose something as a career! Now I can please myself and continue developing the other side of my brain that has been a bit neglected over the working years! I took the Coursera course in Greek and Roman Mythology before Christmas (excellent), am currently taking the Coursera course on Global History since 1760, and am also about to start their course called Ancient Greeks. I think something may have to give, but we shall see. It will give me an opportunity to compare different academic approaches. Also this is my first edx course so I am interested in seeing how it differs from the Coursera approach. all the best Beth FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1287387 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Beth5706 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T10:52:25Z SecondChildTAG: Hey Beth, I'm also enrolled in the Global History course by Prof. Zelikow. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 844461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T10:55:40Z SecondChildTAG: Hey, never heard of Coursera - thanks for mentioning it, I'll google it right away. I would definitely be a candidate for "Global History"! Best, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T12:04:03Z SecondChildTAG: www.coursera.org SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287387 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Beth5706 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T14:31:46Z SecondChildTAG: Hey Sandra1306 Are you enjoying the History course? I am. I am a bit disappointed that they moved the Spring Recess to next week as I was hoping to have a quiet week when this course started! With any luck the full course materials for Hero will be posted next week and I can start reading! By the way I can really recommend the Greek and Roman Mythology course, which it looks like Coursera intend to run again though there isn't a date yet. Beth SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287387 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Beth5706 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T18:24:51Z SecondChildTAG: Beth, I really am. It is a really interesting course and I appreciate the approach to think in patterns. There are too many cool courses I'd like to attend... For now I should concentrating on this one :D /Sandra SecondChildUserIdTAG: 844461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T21:46:16Z SecondChildTAG: I also studied the Greek and Roman Mythology course from coursera, and agree it was a great course. I have great hopes for this one we are in as well. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 946860 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gustane SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:25:06Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Sandra! Greetings from Athens! I have studied management & marketing. When I was younger, in school, I avoided reading Ancient Greek (seemed boring to me) and I feel very ashamed for that… As I grow up, I have a “strange passion/ motivation” for learning more and more things about history and Greek mythology… so excited that I have the chance of doing this here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1239805 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jenny-Jenny FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T11:21:34Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings, Thanks for asking the question, Sandra. I'm a 50 something, mother of 5, urban homesteader and activist with a degree in landscape architecture who continually knits... and am looking forward to digging into this coursework with people from all around the planet! From Oregon, u.s.a FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1174153 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TreeKnowlton FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T15:32:56Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Tree Knowlton, I am also a Mom. I am currently living in Alexandria, Egypt where I have resided over the past 15 months. I am currently homeschooling my eleven year old daughter. I m also a stepmother to two high school graduate stepsons. It is certainly a great opportunity to expand our own horizons as a gift to ourselves. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 855300 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SpiritedRN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T22:58:31Z FirstChildTAG: It's great to see such a diverse class. I am very excited about this course. Me, I am currently unemployed, which is not very exciting. I've been pretty nomadic for most of my adult life and have only recently found my natural vocation - to write. I hope this class will give me new insights into the ideas of heroism and conflict, and the universal act of story-telling. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1232183 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ApollosCrow FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T21:26:17Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone, I am a Swiss playwright living in Berlin (Germany), and writing in French, English and German. I am presently writing my first novel, and hoping to pack it with heroes of the 21st century! Looking forward to our future exchanges in this marvellous class, Dominique FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T22:12:37Z SecondChildTAG: I wish you a good luck, Dominique! Interestingly, because I am also "presently writing my first novel" after tons of poetry... Silvester from Croatia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1298657 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stewkam SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T00:18:46Z SecondChildTAG: Good luck to you too, Silvester. We're engaged on a long journey, aren't we?! Cheers, D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T11:59:42Z SecondChildTAG: I salute you, Dominique. This world needs some new heroes! And you as well, Silvester. I also took this course specifically to explore the concept of heroism for my own writing. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1232183 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ApollosCrow SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T21:22:45Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Apollos! Yes, new heroes who will help us develop the new values and ethical standards that are needed to deal with entirely new challenges (from climate warming to genetic engineering, globalisation, environment, overpopulation; and so many more). I hope we three will be in the same cohort and continue exchanging ideas ere! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T22:34:13Z SecondChildTAG: Ha ha, yes, we certainly are, Dominique! And best wishes to Apollo! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1298657 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stewkam SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T00:38:11Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Sandra and everyone else! My background.. Well, I'm a 23 year old communications guy in the US Air Force. As such, I work a lot with computers and other comm equipment and travel the world while doing so. My feet have been in 8 countries so far in the past 3 years. I have a small background in Electrical Engineering (Was my major for 2 years before I joined the Air Force). I have a growing background in Math (My major right now). To show how much of a nerd I can be.. My hobbies include lots of things but the nerdiest would probably be reading science and technology news all day and watching amazing shows like Doctor Who! I also try to learn everything I can about everything that seems even remotely interesting. Other hobbies include.. Traveling, hiking, designing electrical circuits, sleeping, occasionally playing games like Mass Effect 2, reading, etc. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 147193 FirstChildUserNameTAG: theCharger FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T00:47:08Z SecondChildTAG: Well nerds of the world unite then. I am nearly 58 years old, and have been watching Doctor Who since it started 50 years ago, here on British TV. Those daleks were so scary when we first saw them! I really did hide behind the sofa. I read all sorts of things (latest book was a biography of Leo Tolstoy) and hate being pigeon-holed, because I also love reading good sci-fi -apparently not a genre liked by women?! Have you ever read any Iain M. Banks novels? It sounds like you might enjoy them if you like science and technology. He also writes other kinds of books under the name Iain Banks, i.e. without the M, but for the sci-fi stuff, make sure his name has the middle initial M. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287387 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Beth5706 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T11:22:53Z SecondChildTAG: I'll check Banks, thanks - never read him. And by the way, I am a woman and am writing a novel that partly takes place in the future and deals with biology and ethics (eugenics, genetic engineering, etc.) Look as well to Margaret Atwood, or perhaps Ursula Le Guin : I think we women definitely have a mind and heart for science, technology and, of course, science-fiction (or like Atwood prefers to call it, and I am with her on this: "speculative fiction"). Who can object to novels like Brave New World, 1984 (OK, less scientific, but playing in a world that uses technology to support tyranny) or Bradbury's great "Fahrenheit 451"? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T11:50:52Z SecondChildTAG: Whovians unite! I love you even more ;) The started to show the first episodes here in Germany with Sylvester McCoy and re-started last year with the latest doctor. I love the show. The stories are so well done. But then again, I am addicted to British TV. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 844461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T20:38:26Z SecondChildTAG: Another Whovian - not quite for as long as Beth, though. I first started watching Dr. Who on Iowa Public Television in the 80s. Tom Baker was my first Doctor and he's still my favourite. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1342867 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SoozB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T21:17:29Z SecondChildTAG: i am also a big dr who fan! a friend of mine bought me a t shirt several years ago with a picture of a dalek on it. LOL. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 944884 SecondChildUserNameTAG: aylaeh SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T03:53:20Z SecondChildTAG: I love Whovians! My first Doctor was Tom Baker, too :). My favorite, however, is Mr. Tennant. And science fiction? -- it's for thinking people :). I was raised on it and have never understood the theory that women don't like it! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1358512 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SteffaniMK SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:10:35Z SecondChildTAG: @Beth5706 - Funny stuff! That's pretty awesome that you've seen Doctor Who since it's inception. > Have you ever read any Iain M. Banks novels? No I haven't.. but I'll be sure to check out his work. The most recent book I've read is Divergent.. and it's sequel Insurgent. Very good stuff by a writer named Veronica Roth. @Sandra1306 > Whovians unite! I love you even more ;) Haha well alright then ^_^ @SteffaniMK > I love Whovians! Doesn't everyone?! > My favorite, however, is Mr. Tennant Tennant is a hilarious individual (I assume.. only actually seen him in one thing other than Doctor Who, but it was funny and fairly entertaining).. and an amazing Doctor. The I don't want to go part was very sad! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T10:57:08Z SecondChildTAG: Tennant was a great Doctor and I think he's an amazing artist in general. Although he sometimes tends to overact a bit. I saw the Hamlet production with him (and Patrick "Cpt. Jean-Luc Picard" Stewart) on DVD and was deeply impressed. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 844461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T12:58:07Z SecondChildTAG: I thought it was a master stroke that David Tennant, a youngish but hugely acclaimed Shakespearean actor, was cast in the role, and I think is a testament to the BBC and the quality of its artistic standards and the appreciation of the importance of Dr Who. I thought I would hate Matt Smith, but I think he is wonderful - as for the River Song arc, well that is sheer brilliance. Not to mention (spoiler for the US?) the farewell episodes with Amy and Rory. P.S. I also like Torchwood, though missed a lot whilst I was living in the US not so long ago. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287387 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Beth5706 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T23:18:42Z SecondChildTAG: Captain Jack! I liked the 3rd(?) series a lot, the one with the children. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 844461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T21:43:32Z SecondChildTAG: It is amazing, but I actually believe that each new actor is the doctor, but Tom Baker is THE Doctor to me. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T05:10:28Z SecondChildTAG: I think we've pretty much debunked the idea that women don't like science fiction. I'd say off hand that it pretty risky to make general statements like that in a group as large and diverse as this one. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T05:14:42Z SecondChildTAG: Love science fiction--I think of it as modern mythology. And yes, I'm a woman and have been reading it since elementary school! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1389148 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SharonDalton SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T14:38:29Z SecondChildTAG: (grin) I recently gave my dad a robe that looks like the 4th doctor's jacket and scarf. When talking the idea over with my wife she said, "That's OK, as long as you get me one too!" Yeah, there certainly are women who are into science fiction, just as there are some men that aren't. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 76147 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tbsy SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T15:01:54Z SecondChildTAG: Everybody has their own Doctor! The question is who is your favourite companion? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1166176 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Baixa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T12:25:08Z FirstChildTAG: I graduated greek philology here in Greece two years ago and now I teach little children Homer "Iliad" and "Odyssey" for school! I am looking forward to expand my knowledge and understanding on these matters in order to become a better teacher!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T09:45:45Z SecondChildTAG: I LOVE that you're able to teach Homer to younger kids! I never had any exposure to him until I was about 13 years old and that was a superficial introduction. I guess there's just no money for such things here. (I'm in the US.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1358512 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SteffaniMK SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:12:15Z SecondChildTAG: Here Homer is an obligatory lesson for ages 12 and 13. Kids enjoy learning about ingenious Ulysses and they are very curious about all his adventures at his long journey to Ithaka! The second year is about Iliad, also from the original text but in translation! I can say that they who have watched the film Troi are very confused because a lot of things are twisted in this film! So this doubles my effort to clarify any misunderstandings! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T21:09:15Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Sofiakam, As I am homeschooling my eleven year old daughter, I am curious to learn what literature and information is shared with the students. Do you use specific texts and or software? Is there a way that you could share the syllabus? I think it is wonderful that the children are inspired with this education. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 855300 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SpiritedRN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T23:03:18Z FirstChildTAG: I am an xray tech. I was a freelance photographer for 22 years. I also taught photo and exhibited my personal work throughout the area. My creative outlet these days is making mobiles out of Sea Glass and wire. I am always reading and I thought this course would be fun. Craig FirstChildUserIdTAG: 908176 FirstChildUserNameTAG: cjpxray FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T14:21:42Z FirstChildTAG: I have a BA in English that was loads of fun to get, but has done nothing for me professionally and I currently work as a Special Education paraprofessional. After spending most of my adult life living all over the place, I returned to my home town about 11 years ago to raise my son here so that he could have a relationship with my parents like the one I had with my grandparents (I'm a single mom). Most of my adult life was spent in cities, so it's been hard to be back in my tiny, little home town. Looking forward to the opportunity to learn with and get to know people from all over the world. (I do hope the cohorts will not be geographically assigned -- I would love an international experience.) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342867 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SoozB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T21:31:30Z FirstChildTAG: I am a molecular neuroscientist. I am French and I live and work in Japan. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 830835 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zacharie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T11:03:38Z SecondChildTAG: Wow :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:08:32Z SecondChildTAG: Wow.. that's pretty awesome. I mean.. Being an American Airmen in Japan is kool.. Being a French Neuroscientist in Japan sounds like a whole different level though. Neuroscience is something I find absolutely fascinating though I know almost nothing about it. I really wish I knew a lot more.. it's one of my favorite areas of science right now. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T10:59:28Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Sandra: I am grateful for the course and to learn much more. I have an immense amount of interest in history, art, archaeology, especially Greek (Classical & Hellenistic), Roman, Minoan, Mycenaean, Prehistoric Period (Europe & Turkey). Various Art movements favorites are expressionists and surrealists. I have a double major BA in Classical Archaeology & Art History & MA in Art History. I participated in archaeological excavations with the Swedish team headed by renowned archaeologist Paul Astrom at the Mycenaean site of Midea, Greece. It is a passion however, as my career is in civil service. I have never stopped learning, always visiting museums, travelling to exhibitions to other states, and taking PhD level courses in Hellenistic & Roman Art at the Graduate Center, New York City. My dream is to one day when I retire, to head an excavation team in Greece and make a significant discovery! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1346784 FirstChildUserNameTAG: delphiniasalamin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T16:29:28Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks so much for enrolling dephiniasalamin! I am cheering on your work now and your dreams for the future! Go for it!! Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T23:32:25Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1346784 SecondChildUserNameTAG: delphiniasalamin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T16:17:46Z SecondChildTAG: Wonderful. Well done for pursuing your life interest so passionately. I hope you'll be posting more photos of artefacts and other archeological finds, like you did in another discussion :-) Best, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T08:49:41Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings, everyone! I'm currently a stay-at-home mom while I wait for my husband to retire from the US AF so he can follow ME around the world! I recently earned my B.A. in Philosophy (having already earned a B.S. in Chemistry in 1999) and am currently planning on applying for admittance into a PhD program in Classical and Hellenistic Greek philosophy. My dream is to teach people to think -- not WHAT to think, just TO THINK. Too many people seem to have lost the ability to think things through for themselves and I hope to, in some small way, change that. I also studied Attic Greek for about 2 years, and I'm looking forward to unpacking some of the dense language in our readings, particularly in the Platonic dialogues. I wrote a paper during my first year as a Philosophy student called "Achilles and Hector: A Hero of Antiquity vs. a Hero of Today," which I presented at a conference in Colorado. I pulled a lot of information about the ancient Greek notion of "heroism" from one of Prof. Nagy's books, and I'm very excited to take this course with him and hear his insights! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1358512 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SteffaniMK FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:23:53Z SecondChildTAG: Steffani is your name of greek origin? There is a greek word "stefanos". I wish your dream to teach people to think to become true. It's a beautiful dream. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146961 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Euthymia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T16:44:33Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Steffani, nice comment. I work as a teacher in a high school in Mexico and what you wrote *To TEACH PEOPLE TO THINK*, is just like one of my main goals in my life *Teach teenagers to think* Thanks for sharing your dream and I wish you the best in the course. I am sure you will do your best. Greetings from southern Mexico. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1420826 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lety-Guerrero SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T00:33:54Z FirstChildTAG: Hi All, I am teaching in a Management College just now. I am a doctorate in Literature, done post graduation in Literature. I have studied three subjects in my graduation viz., Philosophy, English Literature and Psychology. I have also done a diploma in Human Resource management and another in Computers. I would like to pursue a post doctorate very soon, its just that I will have to convince my parents for letting me move out of my country. I believe in interdisciplinary study. Looking forward to a good learning experience here. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1088370 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Niva81 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T13:59:58Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! I've always loved literature and languages and I have a degree in Literature and Linguistics. I've mainly concentrated on modern languages (English, French, Italian, Russian, Bulgarian) but I've also studied Latin in my first year in college. Currently I'm a stay-at-home mom and I have an adorable little girl who I've named after one of the three graces from Greek mythology. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 429966 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LoraT FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T14:14:21Z FirstChildTAG: I'm... well, normally I wouldn't mention it, but I'm a terrible shut in at the moment. The last 3 or so years I've been dealing with anxiety and chronic depression. Not that I want to make this a "pity me" comment! But it gives context when I say that this whole system is amazing. I've been itching for study and the idea of doing such a high quality course with thousands of people around the world fills me with... energy! So, while I deal with my personal issues (I am making headway for the first time in years, feeling hopeful) I've very much seeing this course as a part of my recovery. It's been a long time since I have properly "studied". I have to admit I'm a little intimidated, especially with so many other students having so much learning under their belt already. But I've been browsing through comments and it's genuinely inspiring to see all of these people all over the world excited to embark on the same project. High school was not a joy for me at all... I've been told that university is different, happy, that everyone there wants to learn, but now I think for the first time I am actually seeing it. I'm hoping that if I can handle the two courses I signed up for (this one and the Biology introduction 7.00x) I can take on more, and perhaps, if all goes well, I can begin an on-campus course in my city. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228228 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Scarletting FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T16:16:25Z SecondChildTAG: Hang on there! You are doing just the right - rather heroic - thing under your circumstances. Good luck! Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T23:03:54Z SecondChildTAG: Glad you are here! In my opinion studying online seems to be the best compromise. You can study without pressure on your on pace and participate in the discussion forums if you feel like needing a personal interaction with classmates. I am a bit social phobic too and figured out that this really is the best solution of learning for me. Good luck and have fun!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 844461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T09:38:04Z SecondChildTAG: Absolutely agree with the comments above. You are being very brave and I hope it all goes really well for you. Beth SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287387 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Beth5706 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T15:22:16Z SecondChildTAG: By the way, I am also taking also the Biology course in addition to this one. So we will surely meet in many forums. Looking forward, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:46:37Z SecondChildTAG: Hi there, I´m also taking the Biology course and a couple of weeks ago started one on Statistics. Good to know I´m sharing courses with more people. Hope this will help you get on and get better. Alejandra. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 26776 SecondChildUserNameTAG: aleguillen SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T22:05:55Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for the welcoming comments guys. :) For those also taking Biology, is it weird that they still haven't released any courseware? Or was the early availability of information on this course an anomaly? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228228 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scarletting SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T22:39:27Z SecondChildTAG: I am surprised to. 7am here in Berlin on March 5 and still no message from the Biology staff... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T06:08:32Z FirstChildTAG: Cheers everyone, I am 34 years old Turkish guy living in Istanbul.My job supply chain management in technical textile industry and working in this field more than 7 years. I am travelling a lot since my suppliers are all around the world such as China,Korea and Germany. My undergrad was International Relations and Political Science. I did Executive MBA last year. I also went to MIT Sloan School Cambridge for leadership and innovation program for 2 weeks. It was amazing experience to be in a very reputable university. My hobbies are digital photography, bikes especially the louder ones, history and astronomy. my twitter is #mrtrpckc. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1065618 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Merter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T15:49:11Z SecondChildTAG: Have you been to any archaeologigal sites in Turkey such as Gobekli Tepe? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1346784 SecondChildUserNameTAG: delphiniasalamin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T16:24:14Z FirstChildTAG: hello sandra and everyone else, i am a fraud analyst for a major financial institution. i've been working there for 9 years. it's an interesting job. i like having a job that i can leave at the job and not bring home with me. i have always enjoyed reading all genres and types of books. i also love to learn. a perk of working where i do is that sometimes i get to go to certain museums for free. i live in the southern USA. i have traveled to Jalisco, Mexico and while there got the chance to go to an archaeological dig and speak with the head archaeologist. that was a BLAST! some day i would like to go to either jerusalem and egypt (or both) and participate in an archaeological dig there. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 944884 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aylaeh FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T03:59:56Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Aylaeh! Greetings from Tabasco, Mexico. ***The entrance to the Mayan World.*** SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1420826 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lety-Guerrero SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T00:36:42Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Everybody, I am translator (English, German) by diploma. Work as Head of sales for real estate company! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 204291 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dr_butoros FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T20:48:18Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra and everybody. I´m a Civil Engineer and work as a specs writer for a consultant company. Finish college about ten years ago and was missing some studying in subjects other than my field, so I think this is a great way on learning things I have always been interested in but have not had the chance or have not make time to learn. Looking forward to begin! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 26776 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aleguillen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T22:08:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hi all, I'm a now retired chemist who thought this course looked cool. Looking forward to its start next week. Rick FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1080551 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RickFlynn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T02:22:51Z FirstChildTAG: hi Sandra! I am a Marketing graduate who has always been excited about Literature since I could read so i am so psyched to get the opportunity to study literature with the best!!!! Love Isabel FirstChildUserIdTAG: 740402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: isabelrudo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T07:09:22Z FirstChildTAG: Hi all I am currently working on my PhD thesis (how television changes the theoretical concept of heroes - or does it? :)), and I am hoping this course will help me with a historical starting point. also, greetings from Serbia :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1299543 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jouii FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T10:53:25Z FirstChildTAG: Hello all, I am a Dutch editor and writer, with a BA in Journalism and MA in Arts/Philosophy. I'm excited to start this course - an online first for me - and interested in the subject matter, since I read The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell. I'm hoping the course will touch that subject as well. Esther FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1363907 FirstChildUserNameTAG: escherpenisse FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T10:58:06Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to everyone, I am retired and have always enjoyed history. The St. Paul, MN area is home base but we are now in Florida enjoying the sun. At this time, in Minnesota, a snow storm is in process. I look forward to this course! Bob FirstChildUserIdTAG: 362340 FirstChildUserNameTAG: percentage FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T17:32:13Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings, all I'm 59 years old and pre-retired. I've a degree in translation, a degree in modern languages and cultures (French and English) and a post graduation in English culture (Cultural Studies). I was a teacher of translation (English) for over 2 decades and then a librarian for some years. Finally I worked in administrative academic services = 35 years! Now here I am back to the "school bench" this time just for the sheer joy of it. By the way, I'm from Portugal and even if I'm not a "nation lover freak", please say you know where Portugal is and do not call us a province of Spain (lol)!!! Hear from you all soon in class, boys and girls!!!!!!!xxx FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1092515 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ANTONIETA FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T04:51:02Z FirstChildTAG: I "retired" from full time teaching, and now teach online classes. I love to read. The best class I had in college, where I majored in chemistry, was "Classical Civilization" - a required course. It was xxxxxx years ago, but I remember it. MB FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1315889 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MBWall FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T20:30:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hello there. I'm an American living in London and I work in the insurance industry. I have a BA in Music Technology and an MA in Digital Games: Theory and Design. I have a passion for books and for writing so I thought that this course looked fascinating. I'm hoping that it will help me to improve my writing and feed my need for intellectual stimulation. I'm really excited about this course and hope that I can keep up. BB FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1065630 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BLBarber FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T21:11:52Z FirstChildTAG: > My contact with Greek literature has been pretty shallow so far and I > can't wait to dig deeper into the field. Hi Sandra and classmates, My name is Roman. I work as a technical writer in the nutrition department of a land grant university. Like you, I'm eager to learn more about the classics. Warm Regards! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1381674 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Romanski FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T16:18:59Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, everyone! I'm an English teacher. I've always loved literature and the Hellenic culture. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 931932 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Maria66 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T23:26:24Z FirstChildTAG: I'm an 8th grader figuring out what I like to do. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1341496 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Motionpix FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T20:48:45Z FirstChildTAG: I'm a user experience designer and researcher, currently working with software interfaces. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1353268 FirstChildUserNameTAG: straekat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:23:34Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra, I am from Brisbane, Australia (go the rain lol). We it would seem that there is a great diversity of cultures and experience that have signed up for this course. Personally I am ex military (27 years) currently working as Safety and Quality Assurance Advisor with some project management, rehabilitation and training thrown in just to keep me out of mischief. I signed up for this course as I have always had a fascination for Greek mythology and such and stumbled across the Edx program when looking for an external/online course in OHS for my masters. Cheers Deborah FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1285314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: deleeda FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:39:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone! My name is Kaoru and I am from Japan, currently living in Canada. I have a degree in clinical psychology and worked for a number of years dealing with children with behavioral/emotional difficulties, many of them from the aboriginal background. I retired almost 10 years ago. I am 68. Since I have been away from the academic setting so long, I was worried if I could handle the demands of the course, but I feel much more comfortable reading the entries from you guys who are all so courageous and eager to take up the challenge! I am looking forward to having interesting/stimulating discussions with you guys.  FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:11:05Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I live in Brazil. I've always been curious about Greek history, especially the cartoons he watched as a child. Today I am Educator and student of history. Greetings to all! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1145043 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeanfrancisco FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T23:55:17Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings, my cohort (And Sandra)! I am a highschool freshman and haven't had a lot of exposure to Greek history yet. However, I've found it terribly fascinating ever since I began to notice it's similarities with Egyptian history. It surprises me greatly how diverse and worldly all the legionaries here are! I do hope we can all get along splendidly, despite my obvious age difference! Nice to meet you all, mes cheres! Zimia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 925287 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zimia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:40:55Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone, and thank you, Sandra. I am Graeme Roberts, a 61-year-old Australian and ardent MOOCher, who lives in Rochester, New York, a beautiful part of the United States. I am a writer and marketing person, working now on helping scientists and engineers in small companies to get Federal Government SBIR grants to commercialize new technologies. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 844583 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GraemeR FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T02:51:42Z FirstChildTAG: Hi all, got hooked on Joseph Campbell and Homer in high school a long time ago. Retired now after many years in education -- English teacher, Principal, School Superintendent, Prof. at St. Lawrence University in Northern New York. Still lots of snow here. Canada geese are starting to return to open water, they're early. They and I Can't wait to get started. Jim FirstChildUserIdTAG: 917609 FirstChildUserNameTAG: waterson FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T03:02:03Z FirstChildTAG: Hello all, I live in Los Angeles, via Brooklyn, NY. If anyone were to tell me when I was 50 years old that I would be interested in classical history, architecture and literature, I would have told them they were crazy. Yet in my 70s, that is exactly what I am interested in, thanks to my experience as a J Paul Getty Center docent in Los Angeles and to my young grandson, who was so inspired by the Greek heroes. I am a retired publicist from politics and the entertainment industry, and my greatest enjoyment in life is to learn as much as I can about those things in politics, the arts, history and geography that pique my curiosity. Barbara FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1284307 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraMarcus38 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T03:38:00Z SecondChildTAG: Oh, my goodness, I LOVE the Getty! One of the best museum experiences I can remember. Oh course that is over two decades ago now, and I understand there have been many changes and additions over the years? I could see how being there could easily incite an interest in Greek heroism... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 76147 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tbsy SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T14:50:22Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra, My academic background is in Asian Art History and Photography but I traded it all in to write fiction. Am currently at work on a series of short stories. Great to meet you and thanks for asking :) Nancy FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1184679 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nmsellinger FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T04:06:12Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra and all, I am Charis, was born in Crete but I live in Athens. I have a technology background, studied mechanical engineering. Today I work in the marketing research field and I love it. I love human science too. This course is very challenging for me, since I was never that good in mythology and history. So, lets see what is going to happen here. I am excited :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342804 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CharisKom FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T08:54:15Z FirstChildTAG: This is amazing! Hi everyone, I'm Fausto from Naples in Italy! I'm a film critic and filmmaker, I always thought that if you need to write something or about something you need to know what Greeks did thousand of years ago, they were the first ones! Glad to be here in this huge world community :D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1075575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: FaustoV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T11:18:59Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings to Sandra and all the cohorts in this course, Thank you Sandra for starting this introductory thread. As I read the introductions I was amazed and happy at the diversity of students who have endeavored to start this course. I am a small business owner in Ventura, California. My children are grown and out on their own now so I have time for myself. I earned my B.A. from U.C. Irvine in Spanish with an emphasis in linguistics and I just recently earned my M.S. in Educational Counseling. The masters program had an intersting effect on my ability to read as I was always a voracious reader in a wide variety of areas. I have not been able to read much since the program. I have not read or studied Greek literature but I am hoping that this course will awaken a spark of interest in that area for me. I am looking forward to this course and am happy to meet all of you through this thread. Thank you to Professor Nagy and Harvard for the opportunity to learn from the comfort of my home. Have a great day, Karen FirstChildUserIdTAG: 956149 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kcabel11 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T14:55:37Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings, love the energy that's flowing out of these comments, by slow reading them *wink wink, I've truly felt it. Name's Shun and I'm currently living in Toronto, Canada. Got a college diploma in International Business Administration. Looking forward to some intense mental stimulation, perhaps it'll free my dome. Good Day Shun FirstChildUserIdTAG: 143543 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rahxephon52 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T15:50:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra! I graduated with a degree in Classical Archaeology, so I am very familiar with the material, but am looking forward to learning new things as well! I am currently teaching in South Korea and would like to refresh my knowledge, hence taking the course. I'm from sunny Florida and currently reside in Daegu. Nice to meet you all! Elise FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1362335 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ekj08 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:18:29Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra I’m Prega form South Africa and studying towards a Master’s degree in Information Technology, And I LOVE history … Also have a blog at www.preganaidoo.wordpress.com cool to meet you :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1297711 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Prega FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T06:44:58Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone :) My name is Anica and I'm from Serbia. I study English language, culture and literature at the Faculty of Philology, University of Belgrade, and I'm super excited about taking this course. It will be my first time venturing on my own and relying completely on my English.... I love History, Literature and in my opinion the Ancient Greek is the best basis possible... it's so nice meeting new people :D I have a good feeling about this :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240469 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BettyBoup FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T21:12:17Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone. My name is Emma and I work in Advertising and Marketing in sunny Barbados. Although I barely have time to read a novel, to do anything unrelated to work,I am completely intellectually unstimulated. I have an impressive title and a degree from Wellesley, and somehow seem to spend my days organising printing and checking people's arithmetic. In the larger scheme of things my problems are negligible; however, I hope to regain passion, to relearn how to think. What better way than by discussing the classics with interesting, intelligent people of all ages and backgrounds? I look forward to it! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1389365 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmmaKate FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T22:44:22Z FirstChildTAG: Greeting from the Philippines! I'm Harold a Registered Nurse and I worked in a review center as a Marketing Officer. I always had interest with greek civilization, poetry and everything which I found interesting to me. I'm excited now taking this course. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 569345 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Haroldjames FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T22:56:15Z FirstChildTAG: It's a pleasure meeting you all :) That's really one thing I absolutely love of MOOCs: you get to know so many interesting characters, you probably would have never met in real life. Wonderful! Bring on your stories!!! @Fabio: Grüße aus Dortmund! Where in GER are you studying right now? Cheers, Sandra FirstChildUserIdTAG: 844461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T13:19:50Z SecondChildTAG: Hello @Sandra1306! Jetzt wohne und studiere ich in Dresden! Auf der anderen Seite von Deutschland. ;) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1295070 SecondChildUserNameTAG: fabiomolinar SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T08:14:03Z SecondChildTAG: Both of you: welcome to Berlin if you ever come to the Hauptstadt! No time to tell all about myself here, so there's more info on www.dominique-caillat.com. Good luck and toi,toi,toi on this fabulous course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T08:53:41Z FirstChildTAG: Hi People ! Ravi, from India. Really looking forward to having a deeper understanding on the Greek culture. Be it history, medicine, heroics, and art & design, the Greeks have always been so inspiring. Will be wonderful to learn about them. εβίβα cheers ! in Greek ;) Ravi FirstChildUserIdTAG: 944166 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ravisoni FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T08:46:54Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra, I am retired now due to arthritis. I like to make soap, I create oils and lotions etc. I am from the Pacific NW. Springfield Oregon. I am into classifying native plants and learning their different properties for health and beauty. I also love to create pretty things on my beadloom. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 263446 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Riverdaughter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T09:03:02Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, from Corvallis. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T05:24:53Z FirstChildTAG: HI! I am currently pursuing a masters in American History, a Graduate Certificate in Civil War Studies, this class :), and the required license to teach English in my state. I already possess an Associates Degree in Computer Science, BAs in History, Art History, and Secondary Education. This class will inform both my job (Social Studies/English grades 6-12) as well as my own studies. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 949334 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RebeccaS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T13:50:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hello. In high school, I played the old nurse in Medea. I fell in love with the play so, of course, I chose Eastern Michigan University for college because Ypsilanti had an active ancient Greek theatre. But by the time I entered, the theatre had closed. I kept my theatre major with English/Literature minor but usually worked for newspapers as a writer or in sales or even as a laborer. I loved parenting and took jobs that gave me parenting time and family benefits. I have always spent free time in classes, politics, or in volunteer opportunities. Now I am retired. My brain has not had to function on an intellectual plain for decades. However, I have had those years to practice a very basal common sense. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1023668 FirstChildUserNameTAG: lindaaddis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T16:30:06Z FirstChildTAG: Hey. I'm Eric. Just a 19 year old guy taking some cources FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342396 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Eric1216 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T13:03:28Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone, I am Fatima Zahra From Morocco,i'm a project manager and so happy to see such a great diversity in this course,i just can't wait to begin it. thanks to professor Nagy and all the edx team for the initiative. Have a nice day :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1298183 FirstChildUserNameTAG: zorra83 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T09:51:20Z FirstChildTAG: I am a cartographer and epic poet. I was born in Oregon, raised in Texas, lived in Seattle, hitchhiked across the United States playing guitar like a troubadour, lived in Michigan where I earned MS in GIS Cartography, and now I live in Georgia. I am writing an epic poem about the lives of Greek philosophers and later scientists I call Hermead. I have written 57,000 lines of blank verse so far. I posted part of the Invocation and the tale of Platon. http://www.scribd.com/Surazeus FirstChildUserIdTAG: 920870 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Surazeus FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T04:37:52Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone! My name is Riva, I'm a mother of an infant and a toddler, and also a full time pediatric anesthesiologist in NYC. Once upon a time, I majored in Spanish literature, and I long for my liberal arts days. This is my first time trying a course in this format, what an incredible concept- my hectic schedule would never allow me to take a course any other way. Thank you Professor Nagy, Claudia, and the entire team for making this possible. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1378229 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RKo73 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T04:35:18Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:01:42Z FirstChildTAG: Hey everyone, I'm in Northern Ontario, and work in archives. I enjoyed dabbling in classical studies while in high school & undergraduate, and now years later I'm looking forward to getting back into the subject. First time taking an online course despite having taught one! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1198722 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SaraJanes FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T21:05:08Z FirstChildTAG: Hy, I am Nikolina (Nina), history student from Croatia. I was actually searching for some articles for my essey about Homer`s Troy and I found this site. I always liked Greek mythology and this looked so interesting, so I decided to join this course. I studied law for two years, but it was pretty boring so I changed college and here I am :) I am so glad to meet you :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1336310 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nina_nina FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T00:41:51Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone. I am from the UK and have a degree in Applied Biology. Worked in the Medical Supplies and Pharmaceutical industries most of my life and I am now fighting to free myself from them into the humanities! This course is a golden opportunity to develop my interest in all things Greek. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1383321 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sunriseaura FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T21:42:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hello I studied History at the University and made a paper on german soldier. I am french by the way. regards to you all. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 911446 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Itemliz FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T10:39:13Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, everybody! My name is Jelena and I'm from Serbia. When I was a child we had a TV show here in Serbia about Greek heroes and gods. It was amazing and quite wondrous, especially for a child. I guess that that show fired up my interest in Greek mythology. It's been a while since the last time I was involved in anything related to this topic, so I'm very excited about this course. I just want to say how grateful I am for the opportunity to learn something new and to get to know people from all over the world! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1396793 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mihajlovka77 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T17:20:42Z FirstChildTAG: My name is Aspasia and i m a physical education teacher speciallized in adapted physical education .I read a lot and i m very interested in history and mythology - not only the greek one .I also am a student of European culture in EAP FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893357 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aspasie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T18:10:20Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Aspasia! Διάβασα ότι είσαι στο ΕΑΠ, σε ποιο έτος; Είμαι και εγώ στον Ευρωπαϊκο Πολιτισμό. Χαίρομαι που βλέπω και κάποιoν άλλο απο τη σχολή να έχεί πάρει αυτό το course! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1332970 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nattykane SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T00:09:49Z FirstChildTAG: Hi. I am Aga from Poland and I have a degree in Ethnology. It's been years since I read about Greek Mythology, so I suspect it is a refresher course for me and I hope I'll learn something new. I cannot wait for tomorrow start. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1260792 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AgaA FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T22:16:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Everyone, I'm currently a student at Birkbeck College, London on a Counselling/Psychotherapy course and no longer totally sure who I am... but... I qualified as a teacher of Philosophy back in 1979 having taken a BA at Sussex University at the School of African and Asian studies where I wrote my thesis on Oriental philosophy (Buddhism, Zen, Taoism). Surprisingly I gained a 1st in Formal Logic and used it as an analyst/programmer on and off for 30 odd years. I studied Classical Greek at Birkbeck some years ago and started an MA in Classics and Archaeology at UCL. I'm still particularly interested in Homeric geography and believe in the historicity of the Trojan War. I find open learning really exciting and having enjoyed OpenLearn (OU) think MOOCs are the way to go. I'd very much like to work on one. I'm doing this course and another elsewhere to see how it turns out, to study with lots of others and to learn what I can. See you in the Forums ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1372483 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PeterKeyse FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T10:07:28Z FirstChildTAG: Hello I'm Yvonne, studying Classical Greek in my free time at the moment and absolutely everything about it is fascinating - looking forward to deepening my knowledge through this course and sharing some ideas with you all. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1393930 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aylesford FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T10:11:10Z FirstChildTAG: Homemaker, mother of 2 brilliant sons, pet-mom of 7 rescues; 3 dogs, 4 cats. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 903288 FirstChildUserNameTAG: lrjeyakaran FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T18:07:49Z SecondChildTAG: Homemaker, no brilliant sons, pet-mom of 5 rescues; 1 dog, 4 cats. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1367983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Tina4 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T22:03:05Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra I have a BA in Architecture, a Masters Degree in Construction Management and also degrees in Translation and interpretation and Geographic Information Systems (GIS). I love ancient cultures history and architecture(Greeks, Egypt, Rome, Inca, Maya, Aztec, etc). Looking forward to this course :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1347901 FirstChildUserNameTAG: omoca FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T20:17:18Z FirstChildTAG: Howdy, Coleton from Dallas, Texas and I am pumped about this course, the bleeding edge of education, and filling holes within my own learning. I am currently running, and co-founded, a consumer products company dedicated to the growth of multiculturalism within the U.S. and abroad. Did I mention I am pumped-up for this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282953 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Alexandros59 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T16:13:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hey, I'm Daniel from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. I have just enrolled at the mass communications undergraduate course. I love arts and art criticism in general, but I'm specially interested in literature. My dream is to be a literature critic as good as Otto Maria Carpeaux (a austriac critic that lived here in Brazil) was. I would also love to be a philologist, but that's probably not happening in the foreseeable future. With that in consideration, I really want to get myself deeper in the understanding of the people who "started" the western literature. So this course will surely help me not only to understand greek literature and mythology but the very fabric and base of our culture. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1261713 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Danisab FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T00:32:35Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone! I'm from Montreal but I live in Bratislava, Slovakia at the moment; I am a professional ballet dancer with the Slovak National Ballet. It's my first online course; I've always wanted to study and I figured that Greek ancient literature was a good way to start! I look forward to it and good luck to all of you! Anna FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1397688 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Anna-Sanziana FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T00:39:06Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra and everyone else! I'm from Madrid, Spain, BA in English (English Philology) and MA in Translation, unfinished PhD in English and American Literature, currently working as an executive assistant. Totally disconnected from the academic world for too long, seeking to reconnect with my "love of words" and my passion for learning that are so buried in this corporate world... Wow, there are SO many different and interesting backgrounds...!! I am positive this course will be very enriching, I look forward to sharing ideas and experiences with you all!! Cheers, Carmen FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T10:30:40Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone, My name is Omar. I am a multimedia artist and educator from Detroit, MI, living in Kyoto, Japan. I dropped out of art school at age 18, only to return to university at age 24 and eventually earn an bachelors degree in East Asian Art History. I then went on to earn an MFA equivalent in Mixed Media art in Japan. Currently I live with my wife in Kyoto, teaching English in design, manga studies, fine arts, and humanities departments at two arts universities. I am a lifelong lover of mythology, spiritualism, religion and religious art, storytelling and literature. I am currently studying subjects as diverse as second language acquisition and pedagogy, Jungian Psychology, literary theory, and media studies. to put it simply, I love language, art, and education. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1398310 FirstChildUserNameTAG: oyb142 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T16:12:29Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Everyone, I live in New York City and I'm mostly a stay-at-home mom/freelance writer. Ever since graduating from Fordham University in 2005, I've been meaning to continue educating myself. This is my first MOOC class and I'm very excited about furthering my knowledge of the Ancient Greek world. Cheers, Agnes FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1383698 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AgnesStanton FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T17:23:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Everyone, My name is Bells, I'm 34 and live in the Sunshine State, or Hurricane State depending on who you ask. Or Florida for those of you who live outside the U.S. My career is in heavy commercial plumbing estimation, and project management. I also do rainwater harvesting, and I am very passionate about the environment. I took this class for a multitude of reasons, the first being my love for Ancient Rome/Greece, and the second being...well, it's Harvard! How could I pass up an opportunity like this?! I think it's really incredible that so many people, from so many parts of the world, can come together and learn. Thank you so much for this amazing opportunity. Best wishes, Everyone! Regards, Bells FirstChildUserIdTAG: 255786 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Bells FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T20:11:56Z FirstChildTAG: Dear all, I am 32, from Spain. I am a freelance photographer and I have a past as graphic designer. However, I always loved Philosophy and thanks to distance learning and online courses I am being able to study it in my adult period. At present, I am studying Philosophy in the Spanish distance learning university. Now I will also be studying some ancient Greek literature! This is not my first online course. I already made a Critical Reading course online, ran by the University of Oxford, where I learned to produce critical analysis of texts after slow reading. I hope to be able to use those skills in this course. With this course, I expect to gain a very useful background for my Philosophy studies. Also, I hope it helps to improve my English! Best wishes and good luck to everybody. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1320586 FirstChildUserNameTAG: cmuncharaz FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T20:40:54Z SecondChildTAG: Estas estudiando en la UNED? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 844461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T08:11:20Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Sandra and everyone on this thread.... i'm Konstantinos and i'm from Athens, Greece. I'm 22 and i'm going to take my degree of archaiology and history of art.Also i'm a theatrical writer as much as a songwriter... i'd like if you'll ever have the chance to come here in greece to tour guide you in our classic monuments. Have an exciting moment of knowing the depth of Greek literature. Cheers:-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1269121 FirstChildUserNameTAG: 91KONSTANTINOS91 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T20:23:19Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, there! I'm a copywriter, too. I'm from India, and studied English Literature in college. Have read quite a bit about Greek literature, and found it quite fascinating -- especially the parallels with Indic/ Indian mythology -- and that's what I'm here to learn about! Cheers :) Sangeeta FirstChildUserIdTAG: 937437 FirstChildUserNameTAG: alkiegirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T02:02:01Z SecondChildTAG: Great to meet a colleague :)) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 844461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T08:12:10Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Sandra, hello everyone, I am an astronomer working at a real telescope. When I started university some 25 years ago, I was torn between sciences and classics. For two years I tried to combine the two, running from one end of town to the other, alternating between calculus, quantum physics, homer and cicero, falling short everywhere. When I finally realized that I had to choose, I chose the possibly economically more viable path of science and technology, with the knowledge that one day I would come back to the classics. At my own pace, in my own time. Cheers, Saskia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1056706 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stpstp FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T11:09:56Z FirstChildTAG: Hi im from South Africa but i live in Taiwan im a teacher and a professional rugby player FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1358691 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Etienne12345 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T14:51:59Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone! I'm originally from Tennessee but I now live and work in Washington, DC. I studied Classics as an undergrad and I now work as a programs coordinator at the Center for Hellenic Studies in DC. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 872673 FirstChildUserNameTAG: amarbry FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T15:01:07Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm a ninth grader from Southern Ontario and I've recently been on a sort of MOOC spree spanning multiple sites (Any one from intro to philosophy here? J.J. I'm looking at you) I took this course because I enjoy history, and really that's the gist of it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1123498 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PyrrhicPyre FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T16:50:31Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra, I teach online composition in Alabama and I am taking this course for two reasons: 1) I have always loved mythology and would be very interested in writing an article on our idea of the hero as it has been influenced by ancient Greek writings (although that may lean more towards a book-length production). 2) I am very interested to see how the design of this course plays out as a jumping off point for planning future courses that I teach. Thank you for posting the question and I look forward to learning with all of you. Adam FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1323780 FirstChildUserNameTAG: anwear FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T19:04:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I started off as a scientist, Masters in physics and biophysics, postdoc in biochemistry. Worked my way through school as a programmer and sysadmin, but struggled with collapsing science funding seeking work. Began retraining to teach mathematics, but found that having too many degrees made me too costly for the local school systems. I started doing volunteer work on local town task forces and committees I guess about 18 years ago or so, and am still serving locally. During my service, I found myself doing graphics design work including work on flyers, brochures and maps having had an interest in computer graphics dating back into the seventies. Started picking up some piece meal work doing graphic design, but wanted to improve my skills so I went to the local art museum school to take drawing classes. After about 3 years I no longer considered myself a graphic designer, but an artist, and was interested in adapting the 2d and 3d computer tools I have access to as methods for the classical arts and integrate it with the writing I had taken up with over the years. However, four years ago I had a subarachnoid hemorrhage, a severe form of stroke, that has sidelined much of my activity. Three years ago I had my gallbladder out. Two years ago I came down with prostatitis. The end of last year I developed a lump on my throat that I had surgically removed Yesterday! Recovering has been a slow process to say the least and I have struggled to regain enough endurance to get back out into the real world. Despite that I have been recovering and last year managed to make it through MitX's first class offering, the electrical engineering course. Hoping to continue my progress forward, I was delighted to see this course pop up! I have had an interest in philosophy and psychology dating back to first grade, and together with my early interest in archaeology as a career, up until I went with physics at 14, I have had a life long fascination with mythological systems and what they tell us about the societies and people that follow them, as well as what we can learn about our own beliefs and minds. To start preparing for this class I picked up Prof. Nagy's book "The Best of the Acheaens" and several texts on Homeric and Classical Greek, but with the surgery and other complications I am really only about 100 pages into each. Still it has been an interesting introduction, and I hope to learn a good bit of Greek during the class. Otherwise, I have a fantastic, intelligent and supportive wife, two little dogs, and we hope to adopt a child at some point in the near future. Oh, and in case you hadn't noticed, I can be a bit talkative... :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 76147 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tbsy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T19:11:30Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone, Greetings from Cyprus! I am a PhD student in Byzantine Studies, working on dream narratives, but I love reading all kinds of literature from ancient Greek drama to philosophy to gothic novels to fantasy fiction. Anything that is engaging to read and has something new to say to me. I think that exploring literature opens our mental horizons and gives us new insights to life and to ourselves. My reasons for taking this particular course is, first, my enthusiasm for online learning (I've also took and taking a bunch of courses from Coursera) - how a person can enhance their knowledge freely and at their own pace more or less - and, second, I want to refresh and improve my knowledge of ancient Greek literature. I hope I'm able to follow the course throughout... Happy Start everyone! Efthymia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 947938 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Efthymia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T19:15:04Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra! First of all thanks for providing this topic. It really makes me feel "in touch with another human beings". I’m from Buenos Aires, Argentina, mother of 3 and granny of 1 lovely baby girl. I’m studying to be a diplomat in Human Resources and I work as a commercial agent in an Insurance Company. English is not my mother tongue but I will do my best effort to follow you all! Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1417869 FirstChildUserNameTAG: cgodino FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T20:29:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra and everybody I am Nelly , I am from Athens an I have studied English Literature in Thessaloniki University. Ancient Greek Language and Literature was my favorite item in High School so I found this course very interesting. I am 57 years old but I think it is not too late for more learning. Φιλιά από την Ελλάδα FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1270646 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NellyFili FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T23:11:08Z FirstChildTAG: I recently graduated from law school. It was as exciting as you can imagine and I was looking for something else to learn while I prepare for my degree examination and I've always loved myths - reading about them and the cultures they come from. Before law school I studied archaeology, but my course was mostly focused on Chilean and Latin American prehistory and cultures. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1013386 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RitaJosefina FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T05:46:34Z FirstChildTAG: I'm from Pittsburgh PA, United States. I served for 9 years in the Army. In 2003 I got my undergrad in Criminal Justice with a minor in Psychology. I had dreams of being a Forensic Psychologist, but I'm way too old to pull that off since you need at least a Masters and better yet a PhD/PsyD with experience. I have long had an interest in mythologies and other cultures. I read a lot but never managed many of the classics both ancient and more modern. That's part of the reason I'm here. The other is I need and want to keep my brain active and learning. All the better to outwit my 16 year old! I took French in high school, decades ago. I know bits and pieces of many other languages. I may go back to school very part time to learn more. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1077943 FirstChildUserNameTAG: suspreena FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T03:03:58Z FirstChildTAG: I'm a former gang leader, and convicted armed robber. I spent 13 years in the criminal justice system in the UK. I'm rehabilitated over ten years now, and am a firm supporter of the criminal justice system. I am a teacher of sorts. Yoga, Reiki, self-awareness and self defence. Taking a break from that I have begun to write. My first book will be out in the autumn, with another four books in the planning stages. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 522254 FirstChildUserNameTAG: milarepa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T12:48:07Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra; I am an engineer and work as a teacher in a Mexican high school. I love reading and learning. I decided to take this course as my teenager daughter loves Greek culture and she wishes to visit with the family that wonderful place as a present for her next XV Anniversary. (In Latin America is common to celebrate with an elegant reception or a trip this anniversary, which represent the change from a little girl to a young lady). My daughter loves reading, her favorite gift is a book and her passion, Greek Literature. I have been reading a lot during the course, checking and looking for more information and let me tell you I am fascinated for all what we can learn in it. I feel so lucky to have this opportunity. It is a way to be closer to my daughter too :) Best Wishes from Tabasco, México!! (the entrance to Mayan World) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1425608 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LetyGuerrero FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T22:42:25Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I live in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and attend Centerville Elementary School. I like reading and I am interested in myths of all kinds. I'm looking forward to reading the Odyssey! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1369399 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Bashu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T00:01:12Z FirstChildTAG: Hi,I am a manager in a Chinese e-business company. Reading the epics 20 years ago when studying in college, I had some blurred but fascinating impages of those ancient heroes in my mind. Since I am encouraging my teenager son to read the epics too, I planned to read them again. so, what an exciting journey it would be, studying with Prof Nagy and so many Greek culture lovers! I am looking forward to it! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1262120 FirstChildUserNameTAG: WilliamZhang FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T01:00:21Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings to all! My name is Bonnie and I'm from the Boston, MA area in the US. I enjoy spending what time is left after studying for both this class and Justice, exploring my many creative passions. After having knee surgery back in October, I have found my self disabled, (hopefully temporarily), and made the decision to take some online courses in an effort to distract myself from the pain and immobility I am currently experiencing. I am on a medical leave of absence from Massasoit Community College at the moment, which makes me sad, as I miss my friends and professors very much. Though I'm 35 years old, I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up, much to my family's chagrin. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1105252 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BonnieB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T12:23:10Z SecondChildTAG: Very similar situation here, recovering from my bleed about four years ago, and also in the Boston area. I have to say though, if you are dealing with an affliction, this is a fantastic area to seek treatment. I fully sympathize with you though, being isolated at home really rots! (grin) I'm 49 and still haven't decided on my career. I might have run for pope recently, but I guess my wife is right, the cardinals really had their hearts set on someone who was actually Catholic. ;-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 76147 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tbsy SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T14:35:01Z FirstChildTAG: Hi all, I'm Dutch, but at the moment I live in the UK. I'm an Ancient History student and I already once took a course in Ancient Greek literature, but I never really got it. So, I would like to try again, plus I'm very interested in how MOOC will develop. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1409853 FirstChildUserNameTAG: marijketje FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T08:30:35Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Sandra and Everyone! My name is Rachel. I have a Masters in Classics and BA in History. I currently work in Education and Public History. Regarding languages I have a background in Latin, unfortunately not Greek. I also worked on multiple classical archaeological digs. I am incredibly passionate about Classical literature, I especially adore mythology. I am fascinated by how powerful a story written or told thousands of years prior still impacts people today. I am excited to start out on this experimental journey with everyone! -Rachel FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1366118 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rbrochstein FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T14:15:57Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Rachel, your passion is just as my daughter's, good luck!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1425608 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LetyGuerrero SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T22:44:54Z FirstChildTAG: Helo! im a 25 year old Masters graduate and i have always wanted to learn more about ancient philosophy and Greek culture but never had the opportunity. Ironicly i found this course "by accident" and im happy I did. Cheers from Lebanon! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1415496 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SamerFakih FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T13:10:13Z FirstChildTAG: I am geography and junguian psychology. I am also gnostic and meditate about some misteries of life, such as love, matter and spirit. I believe Socrates and other ancient greek philosopher has many more knowledge than most people imagine today. They know thing that are ignored by modern wises. I suspect the linear evolution. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305100 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ayshagawa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T08:55:53Z SecondChildTAG: i agree with u on this point..even Steve jobs achknowledge this fact by quoting that 'he would give his riches fr an hour with Socrates' SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1135404 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Survashish SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T08:38:03Z FirstChildTAG: Hello all! Greetings from Chongqing, China, very nice to meet you guys. I studied business and management in college but always have interests in languages and literature. So excited about this course and edx, I'm sure I can learn lots of new things from this course and from all of you. Thanks! :D Abby FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1408461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dinosaurt FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:55:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Everyone, I am an instructor of Dance at a performing arts school in Texas with a degree from SMU. My interest in this course comes from a desire to expand my experience with Greek history and literature, and the online format of the course as well as its' affiliation with Harvard are components which caught my attention. In my initial readings, I have found that reading the text aloud is most beneficial to processing the flow of the writing and giving "voice" to the characters. CSMBSMU FirstChildUserIdTAG: 949308 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CSMBSMU FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T15:54:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra, I'm 29 years old and live/work in Dublin, Ireland. I am a part time postal sorter for the postal service but I have enjoyed learning about ancient history since I was a child. My goal is to attend college and study ancient history and archaeology in 2014 as a mature student (you have to be over 23 to be classed as mature!!!) So in order to apply I need a good study CV under my belt, and I will be sitting a classical studies exam in June. This edx course is just what I was looking for, and I look forward to it! All the best, Alison FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1242469 FirstChildUserNameTAG: allyg21 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T02:45:26Z SecondChildTAG: Good luck! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T06:09:25Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I work for the American Red Cross and I am a Disaster Supply Chain Officer and also a Senior Project Manager for Supply Chain Systems and Business Analytics. I am so excited to do something different with the "other side" of my brain!!!! Jamie FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1292863 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JAlford FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T01:42:29Z FirstChildTAG: You are all so amazing! Wow. I am a grandmother working in IT but have taught outdoor education and worked in provincial parks and spent 5 years in my 50's studying Ancient Greek. I heard about this course just shortly after I was asked to lead a ritual to Greek heroes near Algonquin Park this summer. What an amazing coincidence; the gods must have spoken. I live in Toronto, Ontario. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1417955 FirstChildUserNameTAG: melissaofthebees FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T01:59:58Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone! I'm from Cairo, Egypt. Currently pursuing my Masters in International & Comparative Education @ The American University in Cairo! I work as a Kindergarden teacher, and I think it's such a fulfilling job. I signed up for course after hearing about MOOCs in a class I was taking, so I figured I'd try it out! It's a completely new and different experience. Nice to meet everyone, and best of luck! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1346213 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hanya FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T06:44:43Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Hanya, I am living in Alexandria, Egypt at this time. It really is a beautiful city in many ways rich with ancient Greek history. Best of wishes with your studies at The American University in Cairo. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 855300 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SpiritedRN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T23:18:28Z FirstChildTAG: Apart from a slight distraction and overwhelming sense of happiness that there are so many Doctor fans here, I'm a bit of a global badger. Currently living in Brazil, working as a freelance writer and journalist. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1166176 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Baixa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T12:26:51Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone, I am from india and in final year of B.Tech (pursuing my chemical engineering) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1135404 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Survashish FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T13:49:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hi there! Generally speaking, I'm an anthropologist whose focus is local history and preserving cultural consciousness (of which local history is a huge part). I grew up a mile from where James Strang, King of Beaver Island, lived in a tiny little town called Clear Creek, New York (which sadly is no longer in existence but was near the Kinzua area before it disappeared) before he went off to bigger and better things in Voree and later Michigan. Specifically speaking (and appropriate for the Bookworm Catnip label that seems to follow me quite a bit), I'm a collections manager at a local history museum (still trying to find a paying job, though!) for my day job. I have worked with just about everything from human bones to 100-year-old bird skins to Civil War ceremonial sabers to antique spinning wheels. Last summer I had the chance to help with a bit of local history research for an individual from the library at Harvard! For my night job I research nocturnal wildlife for a research organization. Our goal is to eventually get someone full time in the woods if we can get a population of critters stable enough to actually do some work with. Hasn't happened yet, though. Someday! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1393744 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AmandaBrainard FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T00:08:49Z FirstChildTAG: Hi All! I'm from Milan (Italy) and I graduated in law. Iliad, Odyssey and, more in general, ancient Greek and Roman cultures are taught at school in Italy, as they are the basis of Italian culture. I nevertheless decided to take this course because I'm very passionate about classic culture and I think that re-studying Homer's masterpieces and sharing different thoughts and opinions on them with Prof. Nagy and you all will teach me a lot. I'm really excited about this course! Ciao! Chiara FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1394090 FirstChildUserNameTAG: chiara1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T17:25:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hello form Puerto Rico! I majored in Computer Science but always been an anthropologist at heart. Mythologies and ancient heroes always fascinated me, so much I still follow the contemporary ones. Looking forward learning and understanding Greek literature and hero culture even more. See you all around! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 921040 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LKnight FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T19:04:25Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra, I'm an English teacher at a secondary school in England. Beyond teaching English, I dabble in antiquarian studies - mostly neolithic megalith hunting and western esotericism. Half of my degree is Classics but I never took the module on Homeric poetry (THE HORROR). Keen to get stuck in. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1309471 FirstChildUserNameTAG: corvuscorvus FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:00:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hi to all! I'm Maria, a literature teacher from Greece. I have studied greek philology at university. I love learning new things and exchanging opinions with people who have the same interests. Knowledge is an amazing trip! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1230942 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Maroulou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T21:29:35Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sandra, i am Rubayyat from dhaka,Bangladesh. I studied psychology. Since last year I am full time housewife,before i worked for a magazine as a feature coordinator. I have a great interest in designing, world history, literature. Looking forward learning and understanding Greek literature. Curious about the course. Thanks. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1050070 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rubayyat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T01:37:53Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I am Yulia, from Moscow, Russia. I do work in event organising and MICE industry. I studied tourism and social service. Actually right now i am in Kos, Greece arranging event for one intertantional company. I do love to know more about Greek culture. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1426983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: YuliaDanilenko FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T09:13:42Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone, I' m a Greek language teacher ( *filologos* as we call it in Greece) from Thessaloniki. My son, who studies computer science, introduced me to HarvardX and I was really thrilled with the idea of having the opportunity to study such an interesting subject and at the same time meet so many people from all over the world.I must admit, I was stunned realizing that greek studies would interest so many and so different people. Can't wait for the course to start! Best regards, Pashalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282750 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pashakoufidou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T23:34:32Z SecondChildTAG: Καλησπέρα συναδέλφισσα από Χανιά! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 986964 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MariaBilali SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T20:14:10Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone. I am 75.5 years old. Graduated from college in 1958. Never really studied the classics before. Now I have a little more time. I am already confused. Seems to me that Achilles is held up as a hero because he is a warrior. He doesn't compromise. He achieves his fulfillment in battle. Aristotle says the model citizen is one that achieves his fulfillment within the polis, presumably through politics, which involves compromise. Which is it? Don't feel I can proceed from Hour 0 until I know the answer to this. Wayne FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1419227 FirstChildUserNameTAG: WayneSherwood FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T21:00:02Z SecondChildTAG: Wayne: 75 in April; 1959,St.John's University, NYC. My take; Homer thought Achilles was a jerk; I think he succeeded in telling that tale... But, I seem to be the only one ! ;-) Love Vjim SecondChildUserIdTAG: 938644 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vjim SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T20:05:35Z FirstChildTAG: Hi there my dear colleagues! I'm Dunja from Serbia, a 21 year old philosophy student, part-time living in Athens. Classics make a good deal of my formal education, still I can never get enough of them- so here I am. I wish you all a pleasant journey through myths of the Old. Let's just hope our luck will be better than the one Odysseus had! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1452441 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DouniaEllena FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T02:11:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! i am an Electrical Engineering student. I always want to go in army but i cant because of minute retardness. I also want to become a explorer like colombus.., travel the world. i have background in computer science also. There are many things which i want to do in life. I also want to become a Truck driver. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 380343 FirstChildUserNameTAG: deltadocks FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T11:25:10Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, my name is Voula and I am a Phd student in Theology. I also volunteer as an administrative assistant at a NGO. I have had a few classes regarding ancient greek religion and hero cult was part of them. I hope to enrich my knowledge and expand my horizons with this class. Good luck to everyone. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1335694 FirstChildUserNameTAG: voulakatr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T17:07:49Z FirstChildTAG: Hello !I am Ardita from Albania.I am an English teacher and I have studied English and American literature.Why not study the literature of my neighbor country? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1252184 FirstChildUserNameTAG: a2010 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T18:07:42Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Everyone I am Terry from Derry in Northern Ireland - UK City of Culture 2013!! I am a Business Studies teacher. I am doing this course for 2 reasons: 1 I have always been fascinated by the Trojan war since I was young. 2 As a teacher I am interested in the learning aspects of an online course. Cheers everyone. Terry FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1412872 FirstChildUserNameTAG: terrydoherty FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T17:52:10Z FirstChildTAG: my fellow penelopians greetings from 'saharan' dust covered Athens. i really enjoyed reading about the different backgrounds of us all. I am an old well educated M.A and Phd teacher of English especially fascinated by heroes of ancient Greece and Scandinavia.Hope that each and everyone of us will become wiser by the end of June. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1359117 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fernir FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T18:51:46Z FirstChildTAG: Hey all, I'm 29 yrs old and I live in the Netherlands. In my 'everyday life' I do something completely different than learning about Greek heroes: I work at a bank. I finished a BBA last year and I feel like learning more. I just found out about this site and I think it's very exciting to follow great courses about different subjects. I've read positive comments about this course on facebook. I did have 2 years of ancient greek in high school, I didn't much enjoy the language but I did very much enjoy the tales of mythology our teacher used to tell us. I hope to learn more and enjoy the greek heroes in this course. See you all in the forums! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1452958 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Irenemd83 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T22:34:01Z FirstChildTAG: Cordial saludo: Hola, Soy Marcela Mendoza Colombiana, vivimos en una hermosa vereda y Administro la educción de mis hijos en casa. La idea del curso es aprender mas y enriquecernos a nivel familia. Abrazos a Todoooodooooossss, todos! marC FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1151159 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Marcelamendoza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T13:58:12Z FirstChildTAG: My name is Jason. I come from the State of Missouri (USA). I studied Koine Greek in Bible College (three years at the undergrad level) as well as Hebrew (two years). Finished my studies at the local State University, where I earned a B.A. in Spanish literature. Converted to Judaism in 2003 and moved to Israel in 2007. Have completed studies in the *Athenaze* coursebook, am now in the second book of the *Greek to GCSE* series by John Taylor and have worked through portions of Pharr's *Homeric Greek*. I'm looking forward to the challenge of so much reading, and I'll be doing as much comparison to the Greek as I have time for. I notice that "24 hours" really means "all the free time that you can manage." ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1241157 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JaiHare FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T15:01:06Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everybody! I'm Marianna from Greece. I teach English as a foreign language and I've been taught parts of Homeric poetry at school and at the university. I feel this is a great opportunity for all of us (Greeks and everybody around the world) to think and discuss all implications of the Ancient Greek Hero. The Modern Global Hero is each one of all us (whether taking the course or not). We all make important decisions for our lives and it's difficult to say if it's fate that guides us or our own free will. Good luck to everybody in everything we do! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T21:16:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to all! It's been great fun seeing the incredible diversity of the group! I'm a librarian (aged 34) in Dallas, TX, wishing I was back in school (thinking comparative literature...), although I'm about to finish a MA in French (literature concentration) this summer. Should be studying French now, but I love ancient Greek literature and am still mad at myself for not figuring out I should study classics in college before it was too late! Took an intensive Greek language course almost ten years ago, now trying to recapture it -- but it loves to fly out of the brain! But still plugging along. My dad told me about this class. (He's in a different cohort, alas.) Looking forward to studying with you all -- my favorite people are lifelong learners! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 928168 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HaleyM FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T03:02:09Z FirstChildTAG: GREETINGS FROM ATHENS, GREECE! I'M A 55 YEAR OLD ARCHITECT, BUT WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL I WAS A NATURAL IN GREEK LITERATURE, BOTH ANCIENT AND MODERN - THAT WAS MY SECOND CHOICE, WHICH I DID NOT FOLLOW. SO MANY THANKS TO ALL OF YOU, BOTH STAFF AND STUDENTS, FOR GIVING ME A SECOND CHANCE... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1235755 FirstChildUserNameTAG: alikikapa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T14:07:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Sandra and fellow-students. I am taking a moment out of Hour 2 reading to catch up on some of the discussions. I am English but now living in Scotland. I have worked as a technical author then ran an independent bookshop which, alas, had to close so I am currently looking for work (which is in short supply) but do at least have the time to pursue some of my interests. I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to learn several languages at (high-)school including Ancient Greek - although a lot of it has faded over the years. I have an indifferent degree in historical linguistics, and in my twenties I took some courses with the Open University (mainly maths and science). More recently I took a couple of online courses on local and family history. Then I discovered the MOOCs and saw this course which fitted in with some of the reading I have been doing over the last couple of years (this has included a couple of books on Indo-European linguistics and poetics, and the Lattimore translation of the Odyssey and a commentary on it by Peter Jones). I am interested in the linguistic aspects of the poetry and in the ancient transmission of stories - both about heroes and about the concepts and traditions of the culture in which the stories were told. And I am intrigued by mythology. I have always been a voracious reader and have enjoyed a lot of literature from various periods and I have come to realise the importance of the classics to later writers, so this course will also provide an opportunity for me to understand these earlier works much better. I also wanted to stretch myself and was interested in this approach to learning rather than just doing my own reading. And finally I was very excited about the idea of studying these works in depth with such amazing academic educators. Many thanks to them for providing this opportunity. I am delighted to find that I am in such interesting company on this journey. Good luck to all of you on this course and on all your life-quests. Sarah FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1402832 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sscott840 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T16:44:05Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everybody, I have a PhD in Irish literature and teach English and German at an Austrian grammar school in Vienna. It's my Easter holidays and I came across this course and find it very exciting - both the content and the medium. I always teach the Iliad and the Odyssey to my 12-year-old pupils and they are enthusiastic about it. So by delving deeper I will be able to teach them even better - besides, I find it so fascinating myself. Good luck with the course to everybody!! And what an interesting bunch of students... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1471402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: luise_l FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T16:43:00Z FirstChildTAG: I was a stay at home mom who has done a lot of volunteer work. I've taken a few classes at a community college but that is the extent of my education. My son is now at university and I was getting the empty nest syndrome. Literature has always interested me and this is a perfect opportunity to learn. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 321397 FirstChildUserNameTAG: claudi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T20:51:08Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everybody. I am giving my first steps around here...Well,in fact this is my first experience in MOOC learning. I am from Portugal and I am a teacher.My students have to read parts of several books of ancient authors in order to understand our own Epic poem "Os Lusíadas". This Is is a great chance for me.I hope I can be up to it! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1480911 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MariaNogueira FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T22:43:47Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I studied Classics in Palermo, in sicily. Now I've been working as a teacher in Agrigento for two years. I'm very proud to join the Harverd university with you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1471435 FirstChildUserNameTAG: FilBos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T07:51:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everybody, Im brazilian, im a policeman and a love humanities. Im also jornalist bachelor degree and, with Google Translater helps, i wanna learn more about ancient Greek. André Silva FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1524650 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Andre13 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T19:57:50Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I am a primary teacher here in Kazakhstan and I've been teaching for 15 years. I've always wanted to learn about ancient Greek and I always suffice myself with the movies. This time I want to try the print outs. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1514349 FirstChildUserNameTAG: teacherems FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T01:55:56Z IndexTAG: 29 TitleTAG: A Request to the Moderators before we Start I have registered with 2 another edx courses. I already decided to quit one and thinking about another. The problem is the size of the video files. I am from Bangladesh and YouTube is banned here. I believe it is also banned in some other countries. So we have to download the videos. And for a video of 10 minuet it takes 300 MB. Where it is only 30-40 MB in coursera. Internet is expensive and slow in these part of the world. Besides i don't see the necessity of high resolution video in here. SO please compress the video into 480p or lower before uploading. Thank you. UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:38:13Z VoteTAG:26 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Thank you so much for this request! I have shared this with our IT team. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:24:22Z SecondChildTAG: hi Claudia, this is Azza from Lebanon, I might have the same issue since throughout the course time (March until end of year) I will be in South Sudan for work, and also my internet capacity will not allow me to download or see the videos. Thank you for your advice Azza SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1144087 SecondChildUserNameTAG: adawi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T11:10:02Z FirstChildTAG: :-o The whole of YouTube is banned in Bangladesh? Or only part of it (e.g., certain types of videos)? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240675 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HaggenKennedy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:32:51Z SecondChildTAG: i believe that the whole of youtube is banned... i know that it is banned in china as well. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 944884 SecondChildUserNameTAG: aylaeh SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T18:21:35Z SecondChildTAG: "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228228 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scarletting SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T16:25:41Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, have you tried a proxy? If you email me at gkoleoglu@gmail.com, I might be able to provide some ** theoretical** information about circumventing censorship. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 386029 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gkoleoglu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:31:23Z FirstChildTAG: Hi folks, While edX is currently working on a solution to the video file size issue, we will be making an mp3 audio file of each installment of the course available for download, so you can still access the material, learn, and enjoy the class. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T01:27:06Z SecondChildTAG: that would be great, as then we can download the course and take it on the road when we travel. That would be so very helpful. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 946860 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gustane SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T23:52:40Z IndexTAG: 30 TitleTAG: About the switched cohorts [FROM NAGY and MUELLNER] You may have already received this message in email, but just in case you have not: Dear participants, The teaching staff of this course wants it to be a human and humane experience for everyone involved, and also, to the extent that individual participants wish, a social experience that fosters communities of learning around its subject, the ancient Greek hero. Last night, unfortunately, something happened that was contrary to both of those ideals of ours. Without warning or explanation, many thousands of participants were suddenly moved out of the cohort that they had been part of and in which they had been joining discussions and into another forum. What happened was this: the software team tried to fix an error that had placed several thousands of you in one forum (Briseis) and the rest in much smaller groups. Their thinking was that the course had not yet started, so that there was no risk. Big mistake. We need to and are addressing the communication breakdown that caused this to happen, but we also want you to understand two things about our course. 1. First, we want to have the forums divided into cohorts of about 1000 students so that the staff of readers and mentors can be responsive to you and personally interact with as many of you as possible during the course. If we just had one giant forum, as other HarvardX and edX courses do, that would be next to impossible. The idea is also to make it possible for those who are less willing to engage in online conversation to feel more comfortable about doing so in a relatively smaller group. We don't know if this will work, but we definitely want to try. 2. Secondly, we need to let you know that we are all -- you as participants and we as staff members -- experimental subjects in this course. Even though it has been taught over many years on various platforms, the course has never been done on a scale like this. We are in adventure mode, and there will be bumps in the road as we and the software mature and develop. This is definitely exciting, but it can also produce breakdowns like this one. For instance, we can anticipate that when the course actually launches tomorrow morning at 5 am EDT, there may be problems with the servers, and the edX site may be unavailable at times. We hope that doesn't happen, and we are doing our best to be proactive and will try to warn you about such problems _before_ they happen, but there will be problems like this, of that we can be sure, from time to time. We dearly hope you can keep your patience with us as we proceed. All best wishes, Greg Nagy and Lenny Muellner UserIdTAG: 1241825 UserNameTAG: Lenny_Muellner CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T02:07:37Z VoteTAG:23 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 15 FirstChildTAG: I cannot find my new cohort. I was in Briseis. Can I request Nestor so I can study with my daughter? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 967296 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jmcavoy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T02:37:27Z SecondChildTAG: Yay! Join Nestor! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 928421 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Megs05PC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T02:41:14Z SecondChildTAG: Dear jmcavoy, we are the first class to request cohorts, so the developers are still working on the system. I agree that this is a high priority feature that we should have. In fact, I have several good friends who are taking the course but are in other cohorts. Unfortunately we won't be able to provide this kind of customization of cohorts for this version of the course. If we find a workaround for the issue, we will share it!! Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T02:50:19Z SecondChildTAG: There appear to be two other people in Meleagros, my new cohort, but I read a few posts from people who said they were in the group. I'm not seeing their names there. I'm enjoying the discussion board since I can read everything and post. Good luck in getting it all to proceed the way you would like it to work. With a crowd this large that will be a daunting task. I will enjoy the ride regardless of the ups and downs. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:11:22Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Claudia, so we are automatically assigned to a cohort? When I post something new I can see in the upper part of my post the message: This post visible only to Group Meleagros. So am I in the Meleagros Group? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 893048 SecondChildUserNameTAG: porfyrus SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:48:10Z SecondChildTAG: How would I know to which cohort do I belong? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1044446 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Leynore SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T06:21:47Z SecondChildTAG: I too would like to know what cohort I am assigned to so I can begin communicating..The initiators of this course have done an incredible job putting this together....thank you SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1342457 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kathygpilgrim SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T15:19:30Z SecondChildTAG: Look at the top of most posts and it will say "visible only to ...". That is the name of your cohort. Except for a few posts such as this one, you will see only posts from your group. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T15:30:53Z SecondChildTAG: I'm feeling totally lost! 'couse I don't know yet, which cohort do i bolong :( If some body tell me to which cohort I belong, that would be great help. Thanks in advance. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1087507 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nodee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T16:58:19Z SecondChildTAG: Nodee, The *top-level* posts have wording such as *This post only visible to group Meleagros.* (or *Briseis*, or ...) That last name you see is your cohort name. If you make a top level post this will appear above your post and then you will see directly. Hal R PS. You do not see these for older posts, or lower level posts or responses. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T01:30:37Z SecondChildTAG: Cannot find my cohort, nor my intro in cohort Aiakos (spelled otherwise some places). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 920384 SecondChildUserNameTAG: justmary SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T20:21:08Z FirstChildTAG: Dr Nagy and Dr Muellner, I can only imagine how this brand-new endeavor has turned up the stresses for all of you there. The most men I had to supervise when I was working was almost 50 and this course has, what did I read, about 20,000 people who registered. 20,000 and you have a very small staff, looking at the site. From my background, I have never been real smart, and to be taking a class from Harvard, with some of best teachers of Greek Heroes and History, just blows me away. I have been treated the best by very smart people, people who have encouraged me to stay the course. We are very blessed to be able to sit at the feet of these teachers, as Plato did with Socrates. These people love the Ancient Greeks or why else would they have gone through what they have to get this course prepared just for us.Thank you very much from a former Briseis and now a proud Pelops. We are all ready - bring it on... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:07:29Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Bobby5991! I remember you from Briseis isn't that amazing?? I am in Antigone now, hope we enjoy our new groups, best of luck! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1354773 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Maia2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T04:45:25Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Maia, yes it is amazing. I remember welcoming you, if I am correct. I started my Justice course today - it will be super to start this course. Our new groups will be great. Good to hear from you. My cat is attacking me as I type. She loves me - poor cat. I guess the only way to write to other groups is find an open one. Don't know You take care and study hard. Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T04:55:25Z SecondChildTAG: Good luck Bobby. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T06:18:26Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Bobby, I'm taking the Justice course as well. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DenisTheLearner SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T06:55:20Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Denis, Glad you are with us on this. I enjoyed the lecture with Dr. Sandel. I hoping this course, Justice, proves as interesting as I think it will. I am retired pipefitter. What do or what did you do as a profession? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T14:10:29Z SecondChildTAG: Bobby, I'm a contract and commercial litigation lawyer, also a part-time teacher at a law college, so the justice issues are quite relevant to what I do. Prof. Sandel's course brings on some issues I have avoided to think about, so I am not taking up this challenge. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DenisTheLearner SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T20:17:20Z SecondChildTAG: You will be able to make reasoned responses to us. Glad to have a critical thinker with us on this journey. I don't do well with gray issues. I am pretty much a black and white person. I know these two courses are bringing a change in this area. Bobby SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T00:29:11Z SecondChildTAG: really interesting,I'm taking the Justice course too! a law student from Greece. (just found out which cohort I'm in.Penelope.Not bad,though I would have chosen Odysseus or Antigone if it depended on me :) ) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1298303 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KonstantinaKatmada SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T23:13:13Z FirstChildTAG: It may be of general interest to know that you can click on someone's login name and arrive (perhaps after 404 errors; keep trying!) at a list of their active threads, which you can then contribute to or follow. All this across different cohorts. (Please don't take this away!) So those *Briseiseans* who miss certain threads can still participate there. Perhaps this will encourage those feeling exiled to regain some of that *Brisesean* energy and spread it around. This has been a singularly remarkable experience---especially for a course that has not started yet! Hal R FirstChildUserIdTAG: 475967 FirstChildUserNameTAG: hriggs FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:38:02Z SecondChildTAG: Great idea, Hal. As you see, the contact is not lost. Good luck, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T06:32:51Z FirstChildTAG: Dear prof. Nagy and staff, thank you so much for your humane efforts to keep us happy and fix starting up problems. There is a general sense of kindness and gentleness emanating from the teaching board, so that we almost feel part of a family: incredible, given the numbers and the fact that we had never heard from one another a few weeks back. I can imagine the staggering difficulty of managing this course. We will be patient and rejoice at being pioneers in this adventure, who will say one day to younger ones: "You know, I was part of it right at the beginning, when it all started and we didn't know where we were going". Good luck to everone, wishing us all energy, patience and love of learning. Best, Dominique FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T06:32:09Z FirstChildTAG: No worries. From over here, your efforts seem heroic! Thanks for the heads up. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1174153 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TreeKnowlton FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T06:22:17Z FirstChildTAG: To Professor Nagy and his team. I can see from the posts many people are very learned and I know I am definately not in fact when I was put in Briseis had to look up how to pronounce it. So what is important to me is to be given an opportunity to study which I have never had in my 61 years and to communicate with others around the world as we study and share together. I work with the homeless and other vulnerable people and I guess this has given me an insight into what to cherish in life and be grateful for. This experience even with all the hiccups along the way is definitely one of those experiences for which words can not express my gratitude. Whether Briseis or Penelope (which I can pronounce)being in a community is what counts and making the most of this world. The course success lies with all of us to be flexible and participate as well as we can and to be understanding in all things. Thank you all so much Delphine FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T09:50:28Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for sharing this, Delphine. Cheers, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T10:49:44Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you for the respectful way you treat us! Most of us are certainly aware that this is a great experiment. I cannot afford to enter a Ph.D. Program...neither money, nor time, nor intellect permit...but hope as the on-line programs grow that I can obtain the education, if not the diploma. Thank you for deciding to use your time and resources to develop a new way to share knowledge. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 844896 FirstChildUserNameTAG: macelle FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T11:10:54Z FirstChildTAG: Hi all! I'm in Ino-Leukothea now, but I'm interested in seeing the names of all the cohorts. Can someone provide a list? Just curious about the names you chose! Cheers, Lelah FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 FirstChildUserNameTAG: lmarie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:16:23Z SecondChildTAG: I agree. A list of the Heroes our cohorts are named for, and maybe a reference to where in our readings we can learn more about them, would be a magnificent "General" discussion to get started. \_rob\_ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 902982 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ferthalangur SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T14:36:31Z SecondChildTAG: I saw list on one of the facebook sites...try here; https://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=tn_tnmn#!/groups/The.Ancient.Greek.Hero/622279514455429/?notif_t=group_activity so far, she has 17 cohorts, 17,000 co-learners cheers , hampgal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T01:14:40Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks but I quit fb a long time ago. :) If anybody can find a way to copy and paste the list, It would be appreciated. Thx. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lmarie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T00:24:16Z SecondChildTAG: I quote from that fb post: So far there are 18 groups (total of 18,000 students) formed Aiakos, Ariadne Antigone, Andromache, Briseis, Heracles, Hippolytus, Iphigenia, Leukothea, Meleagros, Melikertes, Nestor, Penelope, Penthesileia, Pelops, Protestilaos, Peleus & Semele. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T04:00:36Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lmarie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T22:26:36Z SecondChildTAG: And, after looking up all the ones I didn't know, I'm happy to note that 9 of the 18 are female. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lmarie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T14:38:51Z FirstChildTAG: I wish the best to all of you. I used to be a member of Briseis, but I think the cohort you belong to is of no importance. It has to do with technical reasons. The important thing is to interact with one another. Let's make the best of our cohort. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T13:01:44Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, I agree. I was also in Briseis. Let’s learn from one another! There is no competition for a certain number of high grades in this course; all are voluntary participants. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T01:36:59Z FirstChildTAG: Please don't apologize. I have been a creator of several complex software products over the years and all of them have had start-up hiccups. The opportunity to access the educational content provided in this class more than outweighs any minor inconveniences. Thank you so much for all of your efforts. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 929880 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Janal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T14:26:48Z FirstChildTAG: It's a learning curve for us all but how about the user being allowed to choose their cohort in a load balanced algorithm so that this sense of being disconnected doesn't throw people off. Where's Tristan gone? I notice on Coursera that 76,000+ course attendees on the Know Thyself course are getting by happily without the need to cohort. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1372483 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PeterKeyse FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T20:33:44Z SecondChildTAG: I find Coursera an easier platform to navigate. Even in a class I took with 40,000 registrants, it was easy to follow threads I was engaged with. This EdX system seems a bit less user-friendly to me. (No reflection on this class content, which is great.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lmarie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T00:40:06Z FirstChildTAG: I'm sorry but I can't really figure the set up of this course. What cohort am I in? Also, I don't see a progress tab at the top like there is in other courses. I am using an iPad and I'm thinking that I'm missing something. Please let me know. I would really like to continue with this course, but not if I need to spend too much time trying to figure out how to input my comments. The amount of discussions that are posted are already too difficult to navigate. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1354647 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PlatosRepublic FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T14:20:03Z SecondChildTAG: Platos: you will find explanations, when you open "view course", under "course info", "advice to students" and syllabus. You will also have the tabs: "Courseware", which has the current week assignment, and find texts under texts and lectures/videos under H24H and "Sourcebook". Here you are in the discussion forum. The present thread is open to the entire course. But most other threads are only opened to your own cohort. Therefore, open almost any of the discussions listed on the left side of this page and you will see the name of your cohort in italics above the title of the discussion. I hope this helps. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T14:43:16Z SecondChildTAG: There is no Progess tab at the moment - but then there has been no real information on assessment to date either! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T14:38:34Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Professor Nagy, I am in the IT business and can totally understand your concern and the possible technical stones on the road, and that is how people keeps bringing their best effort and brainstorming for a more advanced technology for tomorrow. It is always a learning process. The most important thing is the contribution you and your group of people bringing to this world, the generosity which all human needs to learn from you and your group. I hope this message serves as an encouragement to you and your team. I believe all participants understand there are certain processes we need to go through and we will be patient, with thankfulness to your great contribution!! Best, Freddie FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1335726 FirstChildUserNameTAG: FreddieL FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T02:35:58Z SecondChildTAG: Second this. Looking forward to the course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1323780 SecondChildUserNameTAG: anwear SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T02:48:26Z SecondChildTAG: My response to the technical issues with this class is better you (plural including all of the support staff, readers, administrators, everyone) than me. I am glad to be in a smaller group although I will miss the energy of Briseis until we develop our own. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T02:59:05Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Priscilla! Keep in touch through the discussion you followed. And have a great time in your new cohort. Cheers, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T06:15:16Z SecondChildTAG: Hi i´m sorry i am lost, where do I find out what group i´m assigned to??? who is my hero??? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055205 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GhilaBirman SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T22:36:13Z SecondChildTAG: Ghila; Just click on the *show all discussions* on the left side and then select ***Get to Know Your Cohort*** I hope I could help you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1420826 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lety-Guerrero SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T02:56:05Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you very much for the clarifications. I am trying to figure out, along with many, the logistics of getting the work done and getting the lay of the land--but I do think it's very encouraging that you've made it clear to us that this endeavor is also a "learning experience" on the logistical end. I don't feel quite as intimidated as I did before, and I have really enjoyed the video clips and readings I've gotten to experience this far. Thanks so much for that, and I trust we'll all figure things out as this endeavor continues. (I'll also be trying to figure out my goup after I hit "send." FirstChildUserIdTAG: 990368 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JennyD FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T01:01:13Z FirstChildTAG: I wandered into Aikeos...Is that my cohort does anyone think? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 920384 FirstChildUserNameTAG: justmary FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T17:23:38Z SecondChildTAG: Choose the newest discussion from the left pane, and click on it. Above the title in big bold letters, there should be a small italic line mentioning your cohort name. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T21:24:31Z IndexTAG: 31 TitleTAG: The textbooks will be available soon! Please accept our apologies for the delay in making The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours and the Sourcebook of Ancient Greek Texts in English Translation available on the course website. As we've previously noted, these texts are being revised and updated specifically for your use. These texts should be available before the end of this week. Once posted, they will be accessible from the primary navigation bar at the top of the page. Please stay tuned to the "Course Info" page for more on this and other updates and announcements about the course. Thank you very much for your patience! UserIdTAG: 615718 UserNameTAG: jeffemanuel CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T23:41:21Z VoteTAG:20 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 8 FirstChildTAG: Andre moi enepay, musa. :-) Looking forward to the class! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1230416 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ccsysd05 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T11:52:22Z FirstChildTAG: Glad to know that. I'm eager to start reading them. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277485 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Carlosdzmx FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T06:17:54Z FirstChildTAG: thank you, i look forward to starting to read them FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1143026 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maiziebanner FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T23:48:56Z FirstChildTAG: Hopefully a mass email will be sent when they are available. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 174100 FirstChildUserNameTAG: markpolak FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T21:46:23Z SecondChildTAG: Dear markpolak, Yes, we will do our best to inform you directly as soon as they're up. We've finished the needed revisions, and they're currently in production. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 615718 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T00:29:49Z FirstChildTAG: Will text and sourcebook be iPad friendly? I can't download on my iPad. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 844896 FirstChildUserNameTAG: macelle FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T14:08:53Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks for all your hard work :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T17:23:36Z FirstChildTAG: OK! News that will be welcome by the many of us who were getting nervous about availability of essential texts. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1383321 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sunriseaura FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T17:07:46Z SecondChildTAG: yes but where are the real essential texts? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1360205 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KalliaCh SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T09:58:41Z SecondChildTAG: 'slow reading' does no go well with 'fast publishing', surely? ;-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scherings SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T11:12:48Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone!!!! Is the sourcebook available now? I can't find it! If not, are there any texts? Thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1332595 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Anastasia-Greece FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T14:20:08Z IndexTAG: 32 TitleTAG: Your best greek hero?...A Greek opinion in the course. First of all i want to thank you all for the course. I have decided to open a dialogue about how Greeks see their history and the true meaning we sometimes give to the values of humankind (or should i say that there are no values but needs?), or parts of our history (or at least how me or you understand what we learn from the course). To make a start i would like to say that the greatest hero for a lot of greek people is Antigone!! We say that Greeks are the children of Antigone and not of Kreonta (you should read Antigone).That is because Antigone broke the rules, she went against the laws and the obligations of society, she was risking her life for a higher human purpose, an ethical value and a humanitarian need. No rule, law of society should or could stop her (like Kreon who believed that people should do anything according to society rules and laws)... You should also see that all greek heros have weaknesses, make mistakes (we learn from our mistakes) and use lateral thinking for solving problems.....I hope that you would be interested from the thinks that you might learn from studying greek heros (i am excited)... UserIdTAG: 216607 UserNameTAG: ktsitlak CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T22:58:37Z VoteTAG:20 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 22 FirstChildTAG: Hello all, and thanks ktsitlak for getting an early discussion started. I haven't read *Antigone* - sounds like I should. What you say about the flaws of heroes is very important, and continues to be even in modern stories. Heroes need flaws to be relatable to the audience and also to create believable conflict. Who would care about Superman without the kryptonite? I'm an aspiring writer, so that's the sort of stuff I try to pay attention to. One thing that always interested me about the ancient Greeks was how the gods were also humanly flawed - victims of greed, impulsive lust, petty vengeance and animosity. Divinity was such a different concept then, something much closer to home than it has been in other cultures since. In the Homeric epics, the gods can even bleed by mortal wounding. This idea has always stuck with me for some reason. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1232183 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ApollosCrow FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:24:26Z SecondChildTAG: Perhaps our modern notion of 'Hero' is fed by escapism and ideas of 'The Human Condition'. We see our modern day heroes as aspirational rather than a reflection of ourselves as maybe the Greeks did. I don't know where you're from ApollosCrow but here in the UK the notion of 'Hero' seems tied in with our reality TV culture and the entire population wanting to be a 'Hero', and perhaps even perceiving it as a right. So a Hero is someone we want to be and think we can be. It'll be interesting to dig deeper and explore the greek ideas more. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T05:54:08Z SecondChildTAG: Good thoughts, Nick. It is an interesting contrast, to have a culture of heroes and gods who were sort of at "ground level" with the rest of the mortals - accessible if still superior - versus nowadays where such figures have a more metaphysical, unattainable quality, something to aspire to, as you said. There are also similarities though, as heroes both then and now are ultimately those who have overcome some great crucible to achieve a great feat. I think you're right, and it's this idea that we *can* be great, and that we have a legacy of greatness to inspire us, that keeps the concept of heroism present in our world. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1232183 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ApollosCrow SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T01:27:45Z SecondChildTAG: Very interesting conversation. I tend to agree with the notion of the hero as an embodiment of qualities that we would all want to hold. By extention "heroes" in each society may reveal what was considered to be a virtue to each specific cultural context. In this way each society "needs" heroes that express the ideals of each social context. Above all embodiment of ideals and virtues applied to each society and thr way of thinking may ne seen as a link that connects abstract ideas and real peole. Maybe flaws of the "heros" are exactly the expression of this embodiment, in order to become more human and thus more easy to idetify with. Moreover there may be virtues that stem from the specific society, but there are also other virtues that seem to transpass time and place and be diachronical! Courage for instance inspires many cultures and societies. Is the concept of a "hero" an idea that connects different societies and different cultures through time and space? I hope to have enliting conversations and surely looking forward to attent the on line lectures! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T12:48:19Z SecondChildTAG: * enlighting conversations (correction) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T12:51:33Z SecondChildTAG: The "pathos" here is evident. Going to enjoy this exchange. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 SecondChildUserNameTAG: photon101a SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T04:31:24Z SecondChildTAG: The notion of hero and the linguistic application of the word 'Hero' has morphed into commonality in recent years, everyone who does anything faintly helpful is now called a 'Hero. I'm particularly interested in studying this notion in an ancient Greek context as a pure intellectual exercise. What do they say? "there's nothing like the smell of brain cells rubbing together to make you feel alive" SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T15:53:51Z SecondChildTAG: Here, I would like to share what I have learned about Hindu gods. In fact when I read that Greek heroes and gods were full of both good and bad qualities. I could draw parallels with Hindu mythology. In fact, the king of gods, Indra is the best example of this. He is portrayed as a timid,dubious, weak and who enjoyed all the frolic and fun.There are many stories revolving around the fact that his claim to throne was often challenged by many kings who were human but saw themselves as more powerful than Indra. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1120511 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Savitachaudhary SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T12:08:35Z SecondChildTAG: Believable characters make or break fiction. Believable in the sense that their condition is grounded in the physics of the said fictional world. I would, for example, believe in the Arch-Magus teleporting 100 miles away, yet I hardly find it convincing when the newbie magician suddenly gains an odd ability to Apparate at the hour of his need. Down with all deus ex machinas (i digressed abit, i realise) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 944186 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Randgris SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T16:14:18Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, Antigone is particularly effective here - making the decision to stand up for what she believes in against the odds is the quintessential mould of a hero/heroine. Burying her brother, even at the cost of her life - that is martyrdom. No hero worth his salt buries his head like an ostrich (unless it's an attempt to weed out the coward within us all); what has to be done must be done, even with such painful decisions. And life is all about decisions now isn't it? There is, however, a difference between heroic sacrifice and hamartia - take for example Blanche's refusal (subconscious or not) to bend to the constraints of society, accept reality and move on with life in A Streetcar Named Desire. It cost her her life, effectively. We may feel sorry for her. But is she a heroine for defending her own, imaginary world? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 944186 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Randgris SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T16:26:13Z SecondChildTAG: Savitachaudary: something similar appears with Loki in the Norse mythology, who,is a very changeable unpredictable god, but thanks to him change comes to the world. How interesting to see parallels in mythology from different parts of the world. I have been thinking more about the Aztec gods and how they were viewed compared to the Greek gods after reading your comment. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1347901 SecondChildUserNameTAG: omoca SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T22:39:03Z FirstChildTAG: Hello All, Thanks for starting this discussion. Antigone, for me ( by the way mother's name was Antigone) is a great hero, perhaps not the greatest, as I do believe Promotheus may have been the greatest of all heros. It is the magnitude of the sacrifice that I am looking at. Antigone defies the orders of the King Creon and secretively buries her other brother Polynices inspite of the fact that he was considered a traitor. because she thought his soul could not rest until his body was laid to rest. She opposed the lawas of man to follow the high order, the laws of god, and eventually suicides with her groom to be. Promotheus however, defied the gods and passed on knowledge to man and the art of fire in order for man to progress, and was punished for this with an eternal persecution as he could not die. Chained to a rock, an eagle would eat his liver by day, and by night the liver would grow back again, only to be eaten again the next day (until he was eventually liberated many years later by Heracles) ****Prometheus Bound by Aeschylus:**** *Evermore the burden of your present ill shall wear you out; for your deliverer is not yet born. Such is the prize you have gained for your championship of man. For, god though you are, you did not fear the wrath of the gods,* *but you bestowed honors upon mortal creatures beyond their due. Therefore on this joyless rock you must stand sentinel, erect, sleepless, your knee unbent. And many a groan and unavailing lament you shall utter; for the heart of Zeus is hard, and everyone is harsh whose power is new.* FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:48:31Z SecondChildTAG: well Helen I couldn't disagree with you....Prometheus defied the gods. Altruism, the act of giving and sacrifice, just for a humanitarian purpose, resistance and at the end human (as humanity) are the values for human race and greek history. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 216607 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ktsitlak SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T02:36:58Z SecondChildTAG: Helen i agree with your comments and i'd like to add that it is very important that Antigoni, a female, although she doesn't have the physical strenth to oppose to a "Dictator", has the "soul strenth" and teaches us with her acts that everyone can do something to support his values without any excuses. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1507931 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Aristeuein SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T15:53:33Z FirstChildTAG: Apolloscrow, You are absolutely right, the Greeks did not see their gods, in the same way as we seem in the Christian religion, i.e. as flawless, perfect and the epitome of goodness. They did exhibit many human characteristics, and although they could bleed, they would not die, they were "athanatoi" which in Greek means immortal. As pointed out in the following link http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/Gods&men.htm the gods are admired by humans for their power and beauty, and "For the gods are neither good nor evil, merely powerful, and humans must watch out for and propitiate that power. Without a doubt, the ancient Greek heroes, even the best were flawed, exhibitng such weakenesses as pride, and rage which often led to their downfall. Even the noble Ajax, the warrior who fought valiantly on the plains of Troy surviving all the battles, in the end fell on his sword killing himself in a rage when unsuccessful in competing for the dead Achilles' armour. Even the most valiant and noble of these ancient Greek heroes were aapble of foul and base acts, which reflects the dual aspect of man, his dvinity and his beastiality. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T02:11:45Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, I love that about Homer, how he had such an unflinching yet balanced view of humanity, its heights and depths. Further to your point about how men viewed the gods, I always found it interesting how the gods viewed men. Often there seems to be a sort of bemused respect given to the mortals, and even love. Athena's relationship with Odysseus, for example. Thanks for the link, I'm always looking to learn more about the ancient Greek pantheon and culture. I'll keep an eye out for your comments, you sound like you have good insights. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1232183 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ApollosCrow SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T01:36:09Z SecondChildTAG: It is true, it did seem that Gods were entertained by the antics of man, but even more, they were capable of loving mortals as can be seen for example inby Zeus's numerous romantic liasons with mortal women, and Aphrodite's passion for Adonis and Dionysios 's love for Ariadne. In fact many of the Greek heroes were born as a result of the immortal- mortal loves. Heracles was borne out of the love Zeus and Alcmene. The Gods also inducted mortals into their "pantheon" elevating them to the status of godhood, a process called in Greek "apotheosis". This granting of godhood came either as a reward or through marriage with the mortal. From what I have seen, Greek heroes (mortal ones) could inspire Gods, such as Odysseus did with Athena as you mentioned, or they could be born out of love, benefiting from the qualities of both the gods and mortals. Whatever, the ancient Greek myths reveal an intense interaction between the Gods and humanity, where rules existed, but they were also broken. There was punishment but there was also forgiveness. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T10:41:32Z SecondChildTAG: I enjoyed your analysis HelenV. A couple things I would discuss: Zeus did not exactly 'love' - in the sense we give the word today, with its deep psychological effects. He was getting aroused, horny and attracted but, when did he appear devastated over love, or experiencing deep ethical and/or sentimental impact over a love interest of his? We do observe the psychological manifestations of Love with other Gods (such as Aphrodite and Apollo for example) but Zeus somehow was given a very superficial role in his love affairs. Mortals respected the Power of the Gods, their abilities, their symbolism as the utmost to be achieved (each God representing a particular maximum),the ethical limit in human Pride they represented through Hybris. Nobody admired Hephaistos for his beauty so, I am a bit uneasy about Gods in general, being admired for their beauty. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 131990 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DioneGr SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T18:27:01Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:28:54Z FirstChildTAG: Prometheus and Antigone, the rebels, by all means. I must add Orpheus, the poet and father of songs, and I have weakness for Cassandra, condemned to foresee the calamities that will befall her people, but never to be believed when she warns them. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:43:23Z SecondChildTAG: I have to agree with you on Orpheus, but as you so rightly pointed out that there so many of them, it is indeed hard to single out the greatest. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:19:14Z SecondChildTAG: i agree. i would add cassandra. she kept trying to tell others about what was coming even tho no one ever understood/believed her. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 944884 SecondChildUserNameTAG: aylaeh SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T18:40:20Z FirstChildTAG: There are many Greek heroes that I admire but there are also many Greek personages with a heroism of a different kind that I cannot forget. Sisyphus - the absurd hero - is my favorite Greek personage (influenced partly by the interpretation of his myth by Albert Camus). He tries to cheat death because he loves life, is punished by the gods to roll a boulder up a mountain which then promptly rolls down for eternity and is cognizant of the absurdity of his task. What does he wonder when he carries the boulder up the hill? All is vanity, indeed. Of course, Antigone and Euripides's interpretation of Medea come to mind, though Medea is a non-Greek/barbarian. Is she (Medea) a Hero? It seems absurd on its face but not so absurd in Euripides's interpretation of her myth, which is how I remember her. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1019832 FirstChildUserNameTAG: swetha_16 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T04:30:46Z FirstChildTAG: Its interesting, all of the heroes mentioned thus far show an element of self-sacrifice, courage that that does not think twice of death, and secondary immortality of glory (or noble suffering). It is interesting though even in the myth of Prometheus, he is freed by Hercules. Seems like a deux ex machina in reverse. I find Odysseus to be heroic because though he was most of all a man of prudence, not just in the sense of being only cautious or cunning, but a man of experience and practical wisdom who triumphed in the end by returning to Ithaca and disposing of the suitors of Penelope and reclaiming his home and family. For me, the idea of hero is shaped by the ideas of adventure and romance, and not fame and glory, but the witness of triumph and, yes, happy endings. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: chekov FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T12:11:18Z SecondChildTAG: well in fact Odysseus introduces lateral thinking in problem solving...when a problem is too big to solve, everyone tries to solve it and at the end nothing happens..as they fell on the barriers of the problem...He on the other hand tries something else(an indirect method), that logically does not lead to the solution but can lead to the road of the solution..... Also you have to think about his revenge... He waits, understands better his enemies, he prefers to withstand humiliation and not reveal immediately his identity and when its the wright time strikes .... Well, in a way he thinks like Greeks....when all the nations thought that they are strong and powerful and tried to conquer the world ancient Greeks where maybe the first that realized and understood that they were weak.....weak as humans against pain and suffer (so they introduced art, medicine and philosophy), they were always small in numbers so they introduced strategy when they fought, weak in front of nature and life itself so they introduced and developed history and mathematics etc....Their weakness made them see the need to find always ways to stay in time (cause I think that ancient Greeks were a nation of time and sea...) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 216607 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ktsitlak SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T17:56:11Z SecondChildTAG: **Odysseus** is the greatest hero because **he is human, he is mortal, he is weak**. He as mortal goes down to the deads, he doesn't want to go, he cries. **His pain never leaves him**. He didn't also want to go to the war of Troya, he pretended to be crazy so as not to leave his home, his life with his woman and child. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 185470 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vifo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T19:42:01Z SecondChildTAG: ktsitiak, as I a Greek, I am agree fully with your comments, and wouldjust like to add that I believe that nature and beauty have always been revered by the Hellenic culture, and have been essential parts of its creation and survival. The sun and sea are key elements which are directly linked and influence the Hellenic personality. Without these two elements, the Greek personality is laid bare and cannot function. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T10:06:07Z FirstChildTAG: I studied Antigone at university and taught it for many years in my drama classes. She is really one of my favourites. I did however always feel some sympathy for Creon as he found himself in a difficult situation being the king and the protector of the city. His attitude towards women however didn't impress me, but wasn't that typical of the Greek men of the time? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 891317 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Annettehendley FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T22:55:18Z SecondChildTAG: In my point of view there are two worlds....Those who believe in rules and laws and nothing should change, nobody is above them, and the society will be protected by the implementation of the law. But there are some people who believe that society is like fashion (today's society is very different from the past, and will be very different in the future) and the only values that are stable across time are the values of humanity and nothing is above them...So in contrast to what someone believes about the attitude of men in the society (like Creon) at that time, the beliefs, actions and values of Antigone are eternal.... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 216607 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ktsitlak SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:12:04Z SecondChildTAG: I think you are right on this matter. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T06:56:22Z FirstChildTAG: Antigone is a tragic hero, a woman who stands against the rules of a tyrant even though she knows that this action will cost her life. She defies the will of the law and she follows the will of her heart and her mind. She honors not only her dead brother but with this action, the Gods and the whole humanity. She dies in a tragic way (buried alive) but nemesis (greek: νέμεσις) for Kreon comes very soon. With that play, Sophocles achieved to reach the level of Aeschylus and in my opinion is one of the best plays of all time. Every free man, finds himself in Antigone. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1267581 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Thodoras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T13:10:48Z SecondChildTAG: I totally agree with you....and is very interesting that the hero is a woman in that point of time.... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 216607 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ktsitlak SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:46:13Z SecondChildTAG: I cannot agree more with you!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 898081 SecondChildUserNameTAG: antigona SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T03:05:18Z FirstChildTAG: Well I would like to emphasize to the sense of weakness in heroic actions and in heros.... In my point of view when someone is in a strong position or with superb abilities his actions for the good of society or humanity are not heroic but rather a duty or a dept... Heroic in the sense of Greek heroic is when someone is weak and still manage to preserve his ideas, values of humanity and act for these ideas (freedom, justice, equality etc). An example is this.....when German army invaded Greece, German soldiers went to arrest Greek men to execute them....A German soldier went to a Greek farmer and arrested him in his farm.... The farmer Knew that he was going to be his executioner. When the soldier show the fruits in the farm tried to eat them. The farmer stopped him and warned him that the fruits were harmful as they were poisoned (sprayed with pesticides).. He didn't want to harm an innocent. Well a lot of you will think that this was maybe a stupid thing to do but i hope that some of you will understand that this was a heroic action (in the "greek " heroic meaning). Also in Greek mythology a question arises.... Should a human fight the Gods? And the answer maybe for the first time is straightforward ...Well, Yes human should fight against a dominant power(even the gods),if it is for the right reason. men in a strong or weak position must fight, sucrify themselves for a justified reason (in the sense of humanity), like Leonidas in Thermopyles with 300 men against the Persian empire....He became a hero because he managed to overcome himself as a human, his weakness of mortality, for the freedom of his people... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 216607 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ktsitlak FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T01:32:03Z FirstChildTAG: My "hero" is Hercules...I believe that the most important thing that a hero must 'gives" us is knowledge of how to became better humans. Hercules through the 12 myths gives us a very long list of things to think about. He teaches us how to overcome our fears, our personalities, our negative emotions, our faults, not by words but with actions. I can go on about Hercules, but I would really like your thoughts about my "hero" By the way my name is Sia from Thessaloniki, Greece FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1323775 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TheodosiaK FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T14:26:21Z SecondChildTAG: I agree SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1327668 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Boyuan SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T00:33:10Z FirstChildTAG: Circe - my favorite character in Odusseia - Kiniska also ,a woman who won the kotinos in Olympic games - how? she was a spartan queen and she won in chariot games. The first prize - kotinos belongs to the owner of the horse - so she was one of the many spartan women who were winners in olympic games ... Generally i could be a spartan woman ,or live in crete - never in athens ,to be in athens and to be a woman ,it was a curse.... unless you were ...Aspasia ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893357 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aspasie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T18:17:56Z FirstChildTAG: Ajax FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1417503 FirstChildUserNameTAG: socatres FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T16:06:39Z SecondChildTAG: Which one of the two Ajax? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331092 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stiliani SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T12:22:22Z FirstChildTAG: Extremely difficult task, I need more time to reflect and understand clearly the hero concept in ancient times an in our times FirstChildUserIdTAG: 999455 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T13:09:06Z FirstChildTAG: Hour zero turned my world upside down and I suddenly root for that sorrowful hero Achilles, that most magnificent human being combining youth, beauty and excellence, *but* doomed to die! That's the main theme: fear and pity for us humans who wil all die. (He was pretty much the last on my list to begin with...) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T14:05:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hard to pick just one hero. I am intrigued in particular by heroes who knowingly marched to a very possible death, for the collective benefit or for a higher ethical value. Such as: Protesilaus, Antigone, Achilles, etc. They personify the vast and important ethical difference between "There are some things worth dying for" vs "there are some things worth killing for". My preferred Heroes, always chose the first as their way of life - and death. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 131990 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DioneGr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T18:51:23Z FirstChildTAG: Bellorophon is one of my beloved Ancient Greek heroes! Bellerophon, a magnificent warrior of antiquity, rode Pegasus and wrote his own story in Greek mythology. Unfortunately, there are only ninety lines saved from the tragedy by Euripides "Bellerophon", so our knowledge about this brave hero is limited. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 942603 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DionysusEm FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T19:31:25Z FirstChildTAG: I agree with prof. Nagy when he says that the modern reader feels empathy for Hector since he matches the criteria of our time much more than Achilles. Yet after reading the introduction to homeric poetry it's the first time that I saw Achilles under a different point of view, the first time that I had feelings of sympathy for him. That's a profit for me, it has extended my horizon. But still I choose Hector as my hero. He is a husband, a father, a warrior, a man of duty and honour with a more polymorphic life than Achilles. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1331092 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stiliani FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T12:31:53Z FirstChildTAG: I like it so much opportunity you give us to talk about our favorite hero. Antigone is the personification of duty. The faithful daughter and sister. critical time of sentencing Creon will respond bravely, but so completely female: "I ​​was born to love, not to hate." FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1290838 FirstChildUserNameTAG: margaritagonio FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T23:24:58Z FirstChildTAG: one hero does not apply to all situations. I would choose Antigone for her courage to rail against human laws and obey 'tradition' Hector for his sense of duty to a lost and perhaps faulted war, Perseus for his courage to fight the unknown for the girl he falls in love etc.The amazing thing is that my ancestors understood and showed through literature that heroes consist of heroic traits, meaning that they were not the 'amalgama' of cosmos and they were subject to forces beyond their control 'luck, fate' call them whatever you want. Compare Greek heroes with Gilgamesh or the Scandinavian myths and even Tolkien's world and you will Know what I mean. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1359117 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fernir FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T18:36:58Z FirstChildTAG: My beloved hero is Achilles!I love him for his passion, his bravery, his stubborness, his quality. He's a good friend (Patroklos), a man with morals and feelings (his reaction to Priam at the end of the Iliad), the best warrior. He seems unbeatable like a god but he will be betrayed by his heel, he's vulnarable like a common man.Homer created a unique persona, a hero who combines brulatity with sensitivity.For me Achilles is irreplacable! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1230942 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Maroulou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T20:10:20Z FirstChildTAG: I am fond of Penelope. Penelope is the wife of the main character, the king of Ithaca, Odysseus , and daughter of Icarius and his wife Periboea. She only has one son by Odysseus, Telemachus, who was born just before Odysseus was called to fight in the Trojan War. She waits twenty years for the final return of her husband,during which she has a hard time snubbing marriage proposals from 108 odious suitors (including Agelaus, Amphinomus, Ctessippus, Demoptolemus, Elatus, Euryades, Eurymachus and Peisandros, led by Antinous). On Odysseus's return, disguised as an old beggar, he finds that Penelope has remained faithful. She has devised tricks to delay her suitors, One of her arts of delay was engaging in the preparation of a robe for the funeral canopy of Laertes, her husband's father. She pledged herself to make her choice among the suitors when the robe was finished. Every night for three years, she undoes part of the shroud, until some unfaithful maidens discover her chicanery and reveal it to the suitors. This refers to the famous Penelope's web, which is used as a proverbial expression for anything which is perpetually beeing done but never finished. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1480911 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MariaNogueira FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T23:26:31Z IndexTAG: 33 TitleTAG: Motives - Why "The Ancient Greek Hero"? A study of the nature of the hero as seen through Ancient Greek literature seems a very esoteric subject to have attracted such a large and worldwide audience. What motivated you to register for this course? To reveal my own position,this one is 'just for me'. I've spent 40 years specialising and focusing on scientific and engineering subjects. Every one of the (many) courses I've taken in those years has had at least one eye on the potential career value. Long ago I came to regret my too-early specialisation which meant that I dropped all humanities studies at age 13. Although I think myself fairly well-read, there has always been an awareness of a large gap in my formal knowledge base. Classical studies were considered the mark of a civilised man (in Western cultures) until very recent times. Indeed, Classics (usually studied at Oxford or Cambridge) is still one of the most common degree subjects for those in the top flights of the Civil Service here in the UK (these are the chaps earning about the same as the Prime Minister but without the short tenure!). Ironically for someone who has specialised so ruthlessly I have always really aspired to be a generalist. I have very eclectic tastes and my ideal would be to have the ability to hold my own in any conversation without aiming for mastery in any particular subject. As I have found to my cost in recent years, over-specialisation can, all too easily, be a well-paid road to nowhere. To be the last and most skilled airship engineer is not the best career path when the last of those has run off the line. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not an airship engineer, interesting as that might have been. UserIdTAG: 952145 UserNameTAG: PaulJM CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T22:51:18Z VoteTAG:18 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 44 FirstChildTAG: Among many reasons, my wife is a Latin teacher (classics major) so i get to here her tell our son all the random events. i love story telling i grew up sitting around and telling and hearing stories from my "elders" on the various reservations. the greek hero is a major jumping off point for a lot of writers, at least it seems so in the western world. and i want to explore more of that. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1184846 FirstChildUserNameTAG: zealas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T00:32:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Paul and welcome. I retired in 1997 and stopped reading and exercising my brain. Now, after 16 years I thought I would do something to help restore a bit of what I have lost. After reading several of the lectures, Dr.Nagy has given, I know I will think better or I will be gone. I finished The Iliad yesterday and it has been quite amazing at the some of the thoughts coming. I feel this is just what the doctor ordered. Bobby Apache Junction, Arizona USA FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T01:45:24Z SecondChildTAG: Good for you, Bobby! I became a student at the age of 47 after having made a career for myself in bookkeeping with no college education. I dropped out of High School in the middle of 11th grade because I was not groomed for college and I failed to find the impetus on my own. I am third generation of Spanish-American Indian decent, otherwise know as Mexican. My paternal Grandmother was born in New Mexico and my maternal grandmother may have been born in Mexico. I wonder if she even knew her roots. They were not passed down. I am ready for knowledge that is passed down through storytelling. Wow, you finished the Iliad yesterday. I am just a beginner. I have read the first scroll. The first class was fresh and exciting,do you agree? I wish you a wealth in experience on this journey. Glad we are travelling this road together. Peace, Jill Long Beach, California SecondChildUserIdTAG: 915134 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jillswan SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T21:17:27Z SecondChildTAG: Reading this makes my heart glow....Thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 SecondChildUserNameTAG: photon101a SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T01:37:42Z FirstChildTAG: Hey everyone. I had the opportunity to take several courses in Greek Literature while attending Emory University. The courses were a highlight of my years there. 20 years later I am really excited to have the opportunity to continue to explore. Greek history and literature is fascinating, and I always I gain more insight into Western culture and values by studying it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 969219 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Tarajdsemail FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T07:00:27Z SecondChildTAG: Thirty years ago when I was studying at Emory, there were no Greek lit courses! Old and Middle English, but no Greek. I did love the great books courses I took, one of which focused on mythology, so I'm returning to a love of mine as well. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 349154 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Pahina722 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T01:29:45Z SecondChildTAG: Good luck everyone in your journey of classic Greek and studies.I have been interested in learning and studying Greek art culture history ,language for many years.I have a better understanding of now, and including the language.I notice some of you have facebook similar to mine, with Greek history on it .Nice! Ωραία Χαίρομαι SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1413363 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 12345ZX SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T18:51:54Z FirstChildTAG: I plan on being a curator in the future because I truly love all history. I'm actually quite different in that I'm planning to specialize in humanities, something quite unusual at my math/science-focused school. I take online courses such as this to supplement my school's lack of history courses, as I am in the last year of high school and there are no more social studies classes left for me to take. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1010626 FirstChildUserNameTAG: historycooky FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T07:00:33Z FirstChildTAG: I am on this course because I also am a scientist of a certain age and have been involved in the area of pharmaceuticals and medical devices and equipment all of my life. During my visits to Greece on business I became fascinated by Greek history and Mythology so when I saw this course it was like manna from heaven! How could I resist? A breakout opportunity from science to the humanities....what a divine gift this is! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1383321 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sunriseaura FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T20:58:36Z SecondChildTAG: How nice! I am fascinated also! Πολύ καλά! Μου αρέσει Ελληνικά, πολύ καλά SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1413363 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 12345ZX SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T18:54:27Z SecondChildTAG: I just realized that several of us are experiencing a curious shift in left brain/right brain thinking. We've spent a large portion of our lives in the "practical" realm as engineers,medicine, business (myself) etc, and now find ourselves seeking the "other", developing our "inferior function", as described by Carl Jung. In our fascination with this material. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 SecondChildUserNameTAG: photon101a SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T01:54:50Z FirstChildTAG: Interesting responses! With the exception of Sebastion and davkt, the posters here seem to be coming from a background of a general interest in the classics. An alternative view, and (I hope!) a controversial one, brings us to modern times: namely, that heroes in the classical sense not only no longer exist, but aren't even possible! This view is on the back of two books I read a while back: 'The Image,' by Daniel Boorstin, and a book by Peter Berger on sociology. And both of them seemed to be saying that, given the nature of modern society, heroes aren't even possible. And furthermore- though they didn't say this, I am- the implication was that heroes are somehow useful, if not necessary. What do we think? Daithi, Ireland. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1054704 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Daithi1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:29:14Z SecondChildTAG: No more hero's? Well in the "classical sense" maybe. But I take the classical sense as meaning on the battlefield. I believe and am hoping to confirm that many Greek hero's came from observing Thracian warriors. Yet our modern classical hero simply changed equipment from swords to balls like football, (both kinds) basket balls even golf balls. Turn on the TV any given Sunday and count the hero's. How about Keith Andrews of the Bolton Wanderers in Ireland or Lionel Messi of Football Club Barcelona. Necessary? You betcha because if we didn't invent balls, we would still be using swords. And I have no intention of forgetting or demeaning true battlefield hero's both sung and unsung. Indeed, everyone want's to be a hero and that genetic desire goes back to early early Thrace and the Greeks who observed and wrote about it. Let's see if a study of Ancient Greek Hero's bears out my ideas. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896480 SecondChildUserNameTAG: STKyng SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T05:18:36Z SecondChildTAG: We study a book in school called "Il cavaliere e la morte" by Sciascia. It is considered, in Italy, to form part of the heroic epic genre, and the protagonist is a modern version of the old style hero. He does not fight using the physical attributes of the ancient hero, he is not placed on a battlefield, but his fight is to find the truth and ( in a corny way of putting it) to uphold an innate form justice and morality. I won't say any more as it will spoil the book for anyone who reads it. It is an excellent read and really got me thinking about the nature of a hero, both Ancient Greek (as we have to study the Illiad and the Odyssey) and modern. My conclusion is that our heroes are not recognised any more, but we still live among them. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 894297 SecondChildUserNameTAG: FIONA99 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T13:59:27Z SecondChildTAG: > Blockquote his fight is to find the truth and ( in a corny way of putting it) to uphold an innate form justice and morality. > Blockquote I recognise this type of hero. It immediately brought to mind the main protagonist in the movie *Erin Brockovich* http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0195685/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1085797 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Angkor1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T14:13:58Z SecondChildTAG: I still need to get the hang of using blockquotes, it seems. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1085797 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Angkor1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T14:14:37Z SecondChildTAG: I beg to differ on the "classic" hero not existing. He exists in "The Posiedon Adventure" (even in the irony of using a god in the title) as the hero gives his life to save his companions. He lives in John McClane of the first Die Hard; although he didn't die, the swelling strains of "Ode to Joy" will forever be associated (by me) with that movie and that hero. Rocky, Rambo, the Alien movies... there are classic heroes out there who give their lives, sometimes in pathos, sometimes in song. You just have to look for them. In the theatre, look to Jean Valjean-- or even Javert. In fact, Javert may be a more likely Achilles, while Valjean gets to be Hector. Hmm... were it not so late, I might pursue that one further. Have to cut it short; way past the end of my study time. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1070970 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Trilleth SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T07:37:30Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I'm Reem, a high school student from Saudi Arabia. I have been interested in Greek mythology ever since I visited Greece back in 2010; while I'm fairly well read about it, I still seem to find the line between fiction and religion in the time of the Greeks a little blurry. I was hoping that through their myths and legends I could help make the ancient greek culture more clear to me. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 321709 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ReemAlRabiah FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:30:32Z SecondChildTAG: Nice response, Reem. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1309679 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nora123 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T17:58:49Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Reem, I am from Algeria^^ nice to be together here. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1028325 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Aminabeauty SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T14:04:06Z SecondChildTAG: Hey Reem and Amina, I live in Argentina but my father was born in Siria is amazing to be here . I was wonder if it is possible to get a course that studies so profundly One Thousand and One Nights SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T12:19:59Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone, I have answered a similar question elsewere in our forum, so pardon me for repeating: I am a writer and regard Greek literature as a main source of inspiration, both in terms of improving my craft as for providing me with a gold mine of myths, heroes, archetypes, moral dilemmas, etc. to help me in my personal life, in my appreciation and understanding of the roots of my culture, and in developing my stories. I have been mostly a playwright until now, but am engaged in writing my first - very large and epic - novel, very much wishing to give birth to new heroes and heroins of the 21st century. on a purely emotional level, I fell in love with Ancient Greece through the stories and photos of my father's, who was an ardent reader (in the original) of the Greek texts. My parents lived in Athens in the 50s and, while I was only born later, their memories from their three years of excursions from one archeological site to the next filled my imagination as a child, and they still do. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:46:19Z SecondChildTAG: I'm also a writer and believe that mythology is a gold mine for compelling stories. I'm working on a story about Thracian treasure set in Bulgaria where I lived for two years as a Peace Corps volunteer. Not sure you can birth new hero's and heroins any more as the Greeks birthed 'em all a couple thousand years ago. But you can certainly give them new names. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896480 SecondChildUserNameTAG: STKyng SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T04:54:37Z SecondChildTAG: Maybe you could respond to this website: http://www.wiredforbooks.org/iliad/. I don't understand Greek but have found when first listening to opera I enjoyed the music and felt the pangs of Norma without knowing what she was saying. In some ways hearing what might be believed to be close to the original is a double-edged sword. It connects us to the sound of the language but distances us from the strangeness of what may be perceived about the time and place. As with reading the text many scenes can be understood from a human and emotional point of view but some of the habits, actions and relationships may remain hidden below the surface until we know more or perhaps forever lost in the veil of millenniums. I do find the text especially intricate within a deceptively simple narrative. There is so much going on, many layers to unravel. It is visceral, tactile and exciting as has been discussed. Back to the question at hand, I'm working on the many permutations and coaxial relationships of image and text. Currently working on book art and the poetic experience through sound and page. I like to juggle ideas and materials. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T19:10:45Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, Interesting topic. I saw a film of Joseph Campbells' lectures about The Heroe and that is why I decided to explore this topic in more depth. To those who say that the idea of a heroe in modern times isn't possible, I would have to disagree with that. Man searches for heroes amid the chaos of modern civilization and this in turn creates a deeper layer of meaning within the human experience. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 956149 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kcabel11 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T15:31:15Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Kcabel11! I decided make it for the same reason. I've read several book written by him. I also desagree of the clame that nowadays heroes isn't possible. The heroes will always exist, but some challenges offered by society and life change with time. Some of them keep the same because they are more basic ones. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1121730 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Felipe-cn SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T17:53:47Z SecondChildTAG: I love reading Joseph Campbell too! His analyses are hugely though-provoking. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305733 SecondChildUserNameTAG: N19 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T03:27:33Z SecondChildTAG: Yes , I am a Joseph Campbell reader, and olso teach his ideas atCordoba University, he opens a world of amazements SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T12:26:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone. Like many others who enrolled, a number of things motivated me to come here. First of all, since graduating from college I have missed being part of a guided learning experience. I can certainly continue to educate myself through independent study, but there is something about a structured course that I thrive on. Most importantly, I came here to better myself as an educator. I've had a teaching license for Social Studies for four years but have been unable to find employment. When I do sub in a history classroom I find that I've become rusty in much of what I learned due to lack of use. I look forward to all that will be taught during these weeks. I hope to participate with you all as much as possible, but my zest might decrease halfway through since I will be giving birth to my first child. Regardless, I will enjoy reading the thoughts and discussions of others. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 970584 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HmPearson FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T00:03:51Z FirstChildTAG: Seeing such a huge number of students on this discussion board is very energizing; it's also great to see that people from all different backgrounds are united in one space to expand their knowledge in a specific subject area. But what's most fascinating is all of the given individual reasons for enrolling in this course.I too look forward to engaging in this course material. Aside from mastering the skills of both slow and fast reading, I hope to learn the deeper meaning of the term " Hero." I joined this course to gain an understanding of some historic concepts, to use both my critical reading and critical thinking skills, and to learn new and helpful information. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1309679 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nora123 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T17:54:47Z FirstChildTAG: Just for fun, I love learning new stuff FirstChildUserIdTAG: 183390 FirstChildUserNameTAG: davkt FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:20:22Z SecondChildTAG: Me too SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1327668 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Boyuan SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T12:59:47Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Paul! + I've been fascinated by Greek history and culture ever since I got my first copy of Bullfinch's Mythology - and promptly made paper pants to put on the naked statue on the front! While I don't think the nudity was what drew me to mythology, over the years my passion for it has been reignited by some of the paranormal romance authors who ground their work in mythology. I'm excited to learn more about the Ancient Greek Hero, and am really looking forward to this class! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1144899 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MelRittenour FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T23:26:57Z SecondChildTAG: Like you, I moved away from humanities education (in my case, in favor of engineering coursework) at a relatively early age, and I'm looking to broaden my education. What humanities studies I had in secondary school focused on archetypes and ancient literature, so it seemed to be natural to pick up again more or less where I had left off 25 years ago. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1377530 SecondChildUserNameTAG: higginszoo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T00:29:54Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, everyone. I am a High School teacher from Greece, who teaches ancient history and literature. I' ve taken this course, because I think that you can never say you know everything concerning the ancient Greek culture. There are always many things to consider. The funny thing is that the course hasn't even started yet and I have already learned things and seen things a bit differently. I feel grateful to you all -my fellow students in the cohort- for sharing your thoughts and ideas. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T06:29:49Z FirstChildTAG: My career has been in computers, and I've had little to do with the humanities. But I've always been aware that our Western culture is, even now in the 21st century, absolutely steeped in the culture of Ancient Greece. So this is an opportunity to find out more about the people who gave us our politics, our philosophy, and probably our technology too (sparked by the Antikythera device). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1396285 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Phorcys FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T09:53:50Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Everyone, the reason I join this course is to challenge myself. I am a stay at home mom, who hasn't been to school in a long time. My first language is french. So taking a class in a different language is challenging. Greek History has always fascinate me, so I though it would be a good class to take and learn on a subject that I love. Finally, I just want to learn. You never stop learning! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1316246 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jumpertoo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T12:17:55Z SecondChildTAG: Great for you, I just wanto to learn too SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T12:37:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hi guys and gals, greetings from rural Liberia, where I am heading a larger community-youth program. I am originally from Germany, now living here for more than a year. While life and work are great, I am really longing for some culture, and as all our kids are "little heros", why not give this a try! I hope we will all enjoy the course and take something into our lives. Best to all, Sebastian. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1180788 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SebastianST FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:14:57Z FirstChildTAG: The simple answer for me is pure interest. I've always loved mythologies and the stories around them, but the Greek and Egyptian ones in particular always caught my fancy. Additionally, though, the more I learn of Greek and Roman mythology, the more references that I get buried in all kinds of strange places. So I guess part of it is also to learn more about those and to 'get' them. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1009273 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VEVancollie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T19:45:35Z FirstChildTAG: I have a double BA - in french literature and in classics. Now I'm finishing my MA thesis in reception studies (planning to continue for PhD but that's for the future). I came here because of several reasons: 1. I want to know how my field of studies looks like in the USA 2. I want to know how EdX functions (I tried taking a CS course here but got bored with it) - I already know Coursera (and I'm taking other courses there) 3. I liked the first videos by Prof. Nagy and they convinced me that I should try this course on EdX (when I've pretty much given up on this platform after those CS courses) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 482775 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Tzigi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T15:16:25Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I am high school student who want to pursue the study of classics professionally, and so I am constantly trying to learn new and amazing things regarding the context, the techniques and the perception of these texts. I am also encouraged by the introductory video of Prof. Nagy and thrilled to be able to learn about what I love by such well-known professors in such inspiring worldwide online course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1221124 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rafailz FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T15:55:45Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Rafailz! Your posting just made me realize an unanticipated potential benefit of MOOCs and online courses: a high school student like yourself can explore what it will be like to study a subject in college before you commit yourself to that course of study. \_rob\_ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 902982 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ferthalangur SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T20:15:05Z FirstChildTAG: I use the same method for determining which courses I study on edx: that looks interesting, I'll give it a go. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 3909 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SAKitty09 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T17:31:55Z FirstChildTAG: Being Greek and embracing our cultural heritage makes me feel proud yet so "little" when it comes to greek "epos". As Erza quite nicely pointed out, there is always so much more to learn and I am quite positive that peer discussions could lead to amazing reassessments or even discoveries based on the works of Ancient Greeks. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1357103 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rozoua FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T19:39:00Z FirstChildTAG: Growing up with an aunt who is a professor specializing in Ancient Greek art and literature has made my passion for learning and discussion inevitable. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 260087 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Cimorene FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T01:21:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hello guys! I'm 20 now and study at the Historical Department. I remember my scholl years when I was extremely intrested in Greek mithological literature. I read some Homer's poems, such as Illiad and Odissey, other myths and legends. After graduating from school I began my studies at University on the program of History. I hoped that I would know more about Greek literature, understand it. But now I realize that I need extra help for doing this because the university courses don't provide me with sufficient knowledge and experience about Ancient Greek literature and its heroes. So I came here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 913353 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nastichen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T08:16:40Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone, I am a writer, currently writing a book that will be finished in the Autumn, with another four books in the planning stage. Story-telling therefore interests me. In particular what we term the 'Hero Journey' in writing. I am hoping this course will accentuate my writing skills. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 522254 FirstChildUserNameTAG: milarepa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T12:43:27Z SecondChildTAG: Hey Milarepa I share your interest and your hope SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T12:39:13Z FirstChildTAG: I have joined this course because I want to expand my knowldedge about ancient greek hero. I am Greek, I gratuated greek philology but still I want to improve my aspects of these subjects. Going through those passages again leads to a better perception, especially with all these notes of professor Nagy and with all the interactive discussion here in the forum. In my opinion, this is one very interesting field in which the interpretations and the coherences may be endless and that's the beauty in it! I want to see things differently! I want to get out of the context and apprehend more meanings! I want to read under the lines and create a more open-minded comprehension. By being a fellow student I want to improve my teaching in such matters. My interest in greek literature and mythology is bottomless! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T20:07:08Z FirstChildTAG: For myself, it's partly professional interest/"reality" check. (I teach literature, film, and interdisciplinary humanities courses, all of which have been influenced in various ways by the Greek concept of the "hero" and specific texts (especially Homer). It's also because my own learning interests tend to be eclectic, as some of the rest of you have said. Finally, it's my chance to sample a MOOC and get some insights about what works well and not for the humanities. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1330626 FirstChildUserNameTAG: donl2013 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T21:49:23Z FirstChildTAG: My interest in the Greeks began when I was a child and was learning about the constellations from my father, who would tell me the stories of the characters for whom they were named. Then, in college, I realised that the best soap operas in the world were the stories of the Greek heroes (you've got to love the House of Atreus)! For me they have everything - poetry, drama, murder, adultery, psychology, ethics, romance, passion. I have followed their strands down through the literature to modern day, but I have never read the Iliad or the Odyssey. I also wanted to try out this edX thing - I am a development officer at Harvard and we are trying to raise money for this, so I thought if I took a course, I could have a first-hand understanding of the value of edX and harvardX. I am blown away by the enrollment numbers and where you all are around the globe and what a range we have in this class! It's fabulous! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1380944 FirstChildUserNameTAG: virginiab13 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T01:16:51Z SecondChildTAG: Yes it is wonderfull, Iam in Cordoba, Argentina, for mi is a blessing this course, it is a gift from divinity SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T12:32:30Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to all! Apart from a deep love for history and the humanities, my reasons to enroll in this course were rather personal. I am Greek and you know, of course, that we are going through a rather rough patch these past few years. My response thus far has been to re-evaluate what makes us Greeks and that on many levels - from the broader aspects, (e.g. learning in detail the specific contributions the ancient Greeks have made to the western civilization etc.) down the very "narrow" and personal, what and if we modern Greeks have in common with our ancestors (quite a few, surprisingly, including the darker aspects). I have a very long list of works I am currently reading, trying to form for me a comprehensive understanding of the ancient greek civilization and I hope, this course will add vastly to that endeavor of mine and keep me structured as well. I also firmly believe and know in my heart that the light and the heritage of Greece must live, evolve and shine on, especially in our age of increasing darkness and rising greed. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1251553 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Annahou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:19:03Z FirstChildTAG: I am now in my sixties and, like a number of people, first became aware of Greek mythology through Bullfinch. I learned Greek in college primarily so that I could read the Iliad and the Odyssey and have read them through several times but have rarely had much opportunity to share my impressions with others. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1403600 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JWTrigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T03:25:43Z FirstChildTAG: hi there, I am an animator. As somebody else mentioned it, Joseph Campbell's hero's journey has been a great source of inspiration for storytelling. I also teach animation so I am curious to know more about the ancient Greek heroes, hoping to go deeper in the making of believable animated characters. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1067951 FirstChildUserNameTAG: larcadias FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T03:34:04Z FirstChildTAG: I majored in English Lit. I read the Greek and Roman heroes, first starting with Edith Hamilton's classic in elementary school. But what has re-incited my interest in this particular course is my sons discovering a love for mythology through the Percy Jackson (and other Heroes) books by Rick Riordan. I'm also planning to go back to school in the fall and thought this might be a less stressful way to ease back into it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1070970 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Trilleth FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T07:40:52Z FirstChildTAG: I am from China and I graduate from university last summer. In the senior year, I participated a western philosophy course for freshmen (by the way, I majored in life sciences) where the professor led us to read Plato's Phaedo, and a Chinese philosophy course that taught the ancient Chinese confucius classic, 'The Four Book '. The comparison of values in ancient Greece and ancient China is very interesting.(For instance, Confuciusm rarely discusses topics related to 'death', ' If we don't know life, how can we know death,' Confucius said. While Socrates in Phaedo used the discussion of death to figure out what a meaningful life should be. ) To do more comparisons, I'd like to have a better understanding of Western literature and philosophy, that's the reason I choose this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1127668 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dawnricer FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T15:22:23Z FirstChildTAG: I have a B.S in Criminal Justice and a minor in Psychology. I have long had an interest in mythologies and other cultures (I should have been a Linguist). I want and need to keep my brain nourished and active to deal with my 16 year old daughter. Good luck and let's have some fun. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1077943 FirstChildUserNameTAG: suspreena FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T02:52:03Z FirstChildTAG: I'm a professor of Biochemistry and Genetics who has loved Greek and Roman mythology/culture since I was in elementary school, took courses in Ancient Greece in college (thank goodness I had some flexibility in course selection!), periodically read books by Joseph Campbell and just generally love mythology (but have very little time for it now). I have a committee assignment to look into MOOCs, and given the paucity of ones in my subject area, taking one here and one on Coursera on the Ancient Greeks seemed like a no-brainer! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1389148 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SharonDalton FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T14:22:29Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Greece!!!I'm Maria, a literature teacher, specialized in ancient greek and latin. With this course I hope that I'll get more qualified and become a better teacher. I love learning new things and I want to expand my knowledge on my ancestors' literature and culture. For me this mooc is a great opportunity! Good luck to all of us! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1230942 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Maroulou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T19:16:58Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone, I read about EdX and Coursera's courses in International Herald Tribune and became interested in knowing how it functions. I hold a management position at an Academy of Music and am interested in new learning environments. Why ancient Greek heroes then? To be frank, I could have enrolled in other courses. The introduction video with Prof. Nagy caught my attention - he seems so wise and eager to share his deep passion for ancient Greek Texts with new learners. I tried to read selected works by Platon a couple of years ago, and am looking very much forward to reading about heroes with guidance from Prof. Nagy and you fellow learners. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1291612 FirstChildUserNameTAG: An_Vas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T23:48:01Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone. I'm an independent researcher in philosophy and law, based in Philadelphia. Up until the recession I was in traditional academia, pursuing an interdisciplinary masters with the intention of going on to pursue a PhD in Continental philosophy, but the recession tripped me up when I was working on my masters thesis and effectively ended my traditional academic schooling. I'm taking this course (as well as trying to figure out how to interrelate Coursera's Ancient Greek History course) because I need to do more work in ancient Greek philosophy and literature. My undergraduate major was in Comparative Literature, and through the program we frequently engaged with ancient Greek literature, art, and philosophy but usually mediated through another historical period and other subject matter (and often piecemeal). In retrospect, I should have either included a Classics minor or started my philosophical studies earlier, but I was so focused on the modern and postmodern periods. Fortunately, educational technologies are now developing in ways where it's possible to construct one's own educational program, and along those lines I thank Prof. Nagy, Harvard and edX for providing this incredible opportunity. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 167633 FirstChildUserNameTAG: phschwarz FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T16:15:50Z FirstChildTAG: I got here by chance and good fortune. Over the last few months I have been considering enrolling for an external distance learning degree in English. I was looking through the syllabus/curriculum for that degree. This led me to read *The Odyssey* - I wanted to test myself a little, see how I got on, to help me assess the feasibility of undertaking such a big project. Aged 54, work as a teacher, married with a couple of young kids,life is good and busy ......I'm not complaining! Anyhow while reading *The Odyssey* I found myself asking more and more questions and marvelling at the fantastic story-telling. I started searching for general, contextual literature about ancient Greek civilisation and culture during the Homeric period - this produced the name of Gregory Nagy, hitherto unknown to me. A search of the professor's name brought me here and I decided to sign up. So this is an opportunity to assess myself and my ability to study spurned on by a really positive reaction to revisiting *The Odyssey*. I must say my initial impressions of the course, materials and methodology are very good and I am glad to be here with you all. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1429271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Portnoy58 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T21:06:36Z FirstChildTAG: I am a community college student majoring in Psychology set to transfer to California State University of Long Beach in the fall. It was almost impossible to settle on my major because I drank up every college course I have studied. I had enough credits to go in at least four directions: art, communications, psychology, and geography. I finally had to choose. I chose to study psychology because ideally the journey leads to me, fully realized at the top of the Maslov’s pyramid. I became a student at the age of 47 after having made a career for myself in bookkeeping with no college education. I dropped out of High School in the 11th grade because I was not groomed for college and I failed to find the impetus on my own. I am third generation American of Spanish-American Indian decent, otherwise known as Mexican. My paternal Grandmother was born in New Mexico and my maternal grandmother may have been born in Mexico. I wonder if she even knew her roots. They were not passed down. I am taking this course because the archetypal world calls to me in daylight and in dreams. As I get older, I become more deeply aware that an ever-changing blue print exists inside me (is me) with coordinates that interact constantly in a vast universe of possibility and realms. That mysteries, truths, and principals seek to be known and are sung to us through muses or genius otherwise unknown. My instinct leads me to that understanding and on paths that I question less and less. My instinct led me here. I am ready for knowledge that is passed down through storytelling and to explore why I dream of travelling in the chariots of the Gods and Goddesses - through time and space -yet always find my feet firmly planted on the ground, entertaining all manner of doubt with reason that is founded on what I think I know. I want to awaken my inner Goddess and intuitively understand this calling. I have a set of skills that are unique and highly useful that will collide with my purpose on this path. I feel it, it calls to me and I call it. It is my driving force, my vitality to be here, now. Peace, Jill Long Beach, California FirstChildUserIdTAG: 915134 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jillswan FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T21:20:39Z FirstChildTAG: Back in the 60's, when I was a teenager, I had the good fortune of meeting an elderly neighbor who happened to be a brother of EDITH HAMILTON, the famous author of MYTHOLOGY,(1942), which still remains the premier introductory text about its subject. The book enchanted my young mind and has left a permanent imprint, leading me to explore the classical literature of myths and their transcendence into our modern society, art and psychology. This course seems like an interesting way for me to pursue this lifelong curiosity. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1195703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fernandoromo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T22:31:43Z FirstChildTAG: Hi All, I am a full-time Seminary student and have always loved mythology. I was motivated to take this class to get a better understanding of the Hellenistic World that the writers of the New Testament lived in. Not only did the NT writers write in the Koine dialect of Greek, but a lot of Greek ideas spill over due to their education. St. Paul the Apostle makes a speech at the Aeropagus and references Epicurean and Stoic philosophers. Also, the writer of the Gospel of John seems to have been influence by Platonic ideas with all of his talk about Logos and Jesus being the Logos. Thanks, CC FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1436440 FirstChildUserNameTAG: xcrawford FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T04:57:12Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone! I am a History student, from Brasília(Brazil), and I started this course because I am very interested in Ancient History when I made this discipline at university. When I saw this course I had no doubt in signing. I think it's a great opportunity to learn more about this in a perspective somewhat different from the approach I had in university, since this course emphasizes the hero ... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1409266 FirstChildUserNameTAG: deboralcantara FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T18:20:47Z FirstChildTAG: Apart from agreeing with most of you I would like to make a suggestion. Iliad was written to be heard, try reciting the original Greek even if they don't make sense.There is music in the words, resonant sounds. try it and let me know FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1359117 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fernir FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T18:59:28Z IndexTAG: 34 TitleTAG: STAFF - Syllabus Understanding - Schedule Assignments please advise what is going to be due on each scheduled due date. Also when are the due dates for everything and what is the time zone things will be due. I understand the reading but not when things are due and what other things will be due. Sorry just enrolled in a lot of other classes and want to plan my schedule If someone can also email me at aimstermill51@aol.com this information so it is easier to track and keep track of in my personal email then coming here. Thanks Amy UserIdTAG: 411228 UserNameTAG: aimster CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T04:11:13Z VoteTAG:16 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Hi Amy, thanks so much for this question and for enrolling! We recognize that many students have very busy schedules, and will share this as soon as it is available. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T01:47:23Z SecondChildTAG: The syllabus is very clear about the 24 element ("hour") structure but silent about timing. Difficult for the pragmatic among us! While I understand the amount of preparation required for such an undertaking as this (I've had some personal experience), I do think some explicit temporal structure would be helpful . . . 2 units a week? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1373736 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DanWallaceMA SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T15:04:34Z SecondChildTAG: Recommended Reading sounds great but I can't seem to access it. Is there a trick to getting it? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1214738 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RuthDavis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:04:25Z FirstChildTAG: Agreed. I am totally unsure about how many 'Hour' modules are to be done per week or month or whatever! Please give us some pointers on this. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1383321 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sunriseaura FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T17:06:17Z SecondChildTAG: I remember reading that at least three hours of preparation is required for one HOUR of the syllabus. They will be posting two HOURS per week, so minimum of 6 hrs. for reading alone plus time for assignments. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 949308 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CSMBSMU SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T01:55:27Z FirstChildTAG: Is it essential to have targets for the various hours. Surely part of study is ability to develop time management skills, so should we not be able to look at what is required and work out our own time frames for each section? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1389613 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TimDarch FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T23:34:19Z SecondChildTAG: > Is it essential to have targets for the various hours. If the students are to discuss the material, surely it is important that they are at the same point in the readings? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T16:02:04Z SecondChildTAG: Absolutely--but I've rarely found that to happen. In daily life some are ahead, some behind . . . chaos! And yet development happens none the less . . . SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1373736 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DanWallaceMA SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T16:33:49Z SecondChildTAG: Agreed, in any group there will those reading ahead of schedule and those struggling to keep up, for whatever reason. My point is that without the discipline of a structured framework this spread will inevitably become much wider meaning that relevant discussion will be more difficult. If the only guidance were 'all work to be completed by 24 June' (or whatever) you can be fairly sure there will be some students trying to cram three months' work into the last few days while other will have completed the readings within days of starting - and every shade of grey (so to speak) between. What hope then for meaningful discussion? Part of what should differentiate offerings of edX from the OpenCourseWare type of material is the ability to take part in a structured learning experience. The course description and notes from the team suggest that communication and discussion are central to this course so I would be very surprised if there were not a fairly solid timetable. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T20:05:50Z SecondChildTAG: I read somewhere on this site that we'll be scheduled to do two "Hours" a week. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1373736 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DanWallaceMA SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:49:36Z SecondChildTAG: That's my estimate - since there are 25 'Hours' now that 0 is separated from 1 and about 14 weeks between start and end dates that comes out at just under 2 per week. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T23:54:46Z SecondChildTAG: I just now made the same estimate, before finding this thread. 2 per week sounds about right. (I agree that it is helpful for people to be generally around the same place in the readings in order for coherent dialog to take place.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240628 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lmarie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T00:15:04Z FirstChildTAG: I do feel a bit lost as well. I have read the introduction to the book and the introduction to Homeric poetry (which I think is Hour 0). I am busy with the first scroll in the sourcebook, but I can't find any assessments yet. I am also not sure if I have to finish hour 1 as well. Looks like there is some confusion regarding this. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 891317 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Annettehendley FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T15:13:24Z IndexTAG: 35 TitleTAG: new spirit for greeks too Hello from Crete, Greece. Although a professional who have studied ancient history during bachelors, strongly believe that a new fresh approach of ancient greek spirit could never be more useful. Greeks, among all others, is imperative to learn that the ancient spirit is not something we just carry on our DNA, its an approach for life, a way to live, breath and act like a "political animal". This political animal is now deeply sleeping on our daily rival to survive in a financial hell. Now its the time to wake it up with your important help! UserIdTAG: 1274758 UserNameTAG: ELENITSITSIVOU CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T07:42:13Z VoteTAG:16 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 11 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:01:30Z FirstChildTAG: Excellent post. Well done. All Greeks should stand like this. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280337 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Afroditi2013 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:45:18Z FirstChildTAG: Γεια σου Ελένη!Να πω κι εγώ τα συγχαρητήρια μου για την εισαγωγή σου, πολύ καλή ως παρότρυνση να συνδέσουμε επιτέλους τη θεωρία με την πράξη, για το καλό όλων! Και συγχαρητήρια που αν και πτυχιούχος φιλόλογος,επιδιώκεις να εμπλουτίζεις συνεχώς τις γνώσεις σου και δεν επαναπαύεσαι στα πτυχία! Από κάτι τέτοιους φιλολόγους αγαπήσαμε κι εμείς την Οδύσσεια και την Ιλιάδα,ανθρώπους με μεράκι και αγάπη για το αντικείμενο τους που δεν σταμάτησαν να ενεργοποιούν τον εαυτό τους ποτέ! Τώρα, στο θέμα μας, δεν θα πω ακόμη τη γνώμη μου, περιμένω... να ακουστούν κι άλλες απόψεις πρώτα, κι όχι μόνο από Έλληνες. Καλή μας αρχή! Μια φοιτήτρια Νομικής από τη Θεσσαλονίκη. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1298303 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KonstantinaKatmada FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T23:14:00Z FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα απο Θεσσαλονίκη, εξαιρετική η εισαγωγή σου! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:40:27Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Eleni They have created a Facebook group so you may join if you will ! https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:56:48Z SecondChildTAG: This link does not lead to this course! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T07:28:43Z FirstChildTAG: very nice approach eleni.. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294390 FirstChildUserNameTAG: anastasiazakynthos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T09:44:27Z FirstChildTAG: Ελένη, I concur. Modern political thinking can benefit from rediscovering the Ancient Greek heroic pioneering direction, particularly that which relates to a departure from autocracy and unquestioned authority. If we accept that morality is man-made rather than god-given, we can then embrace societal change, and in that way we can achieve progress. But we need to be careful and ready to add to the Greek foundations the subsequent European experience. Individualism may have started in Greece but was perfected with European Enlightenment, which led to modern Liberalism (that had been non-existent in ancient Greece). The notion of human rights is an essentially modern European addition upon the democratic foundation laid by the Greeks. But we now see immoderate individualism going too far in the West. It is time to rethink the "good measure" of the ancients, and to reconsider our civic duties to the Polis, as a counterbalance to our undoubtedly precious civil rights that today protect our private sphere against public oppression. The heroic ancient Greek spirit I think has a lot to teach humankind in the 21st century. This should be the century where a modern morality can elevate humanity in a position of caretaker for the planet, for the environment and for our fellow humans, beyond divisions of the past, liberated from authority, or superstition, enlightened by science and philosophy. None of this grand vision can be achieved without the eternal wisdom that still echoes through the centuries emanating from this small but beautiful corner of this earth called Hellas. More thoughts here: http://anileos.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/blog-post_20.html - I too am from Crete (but sadly live in the UK). Χαιρετισμούς, Παναγιώτης FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1256700 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PanagiotisPerysinakis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T18:00:03Z SecondChildTAG: "If we accept that morality is man-made rather than god-given, we can then embrace societal change, and in that way we can achieve progress." This. Our world needs more of this. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228228 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scarletting SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T16:26:53Z FirstChildTAG: Very nice perspective Eleni.... George from Heraklion Crete. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1345917 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GeorgeVistakis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T13:30:03Z FirstChildTAG: I am so glad to see Cretans here. I feel like home...σύντεκνοι... My home town is Chania, Crete, but I live in Athens. I am excited about this journey :) Charis FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342804 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CharisKom FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T08:44:32Z FirstChildTAG: Could not agree with you more. The time for sleep has passed. We need to mobilize, to awaken. The only time is now. Would we while away our treasures or let them be stolen beneath our open eyes? Why, yes, but no longer. I hosted a local party last Sunday for climate change progress and I have civic engagements on my calendar this month. I am engaging after a long period of complacency and dismay over the state of affairs in the U.S. The timing of this course is for me is magical. Peace. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 915134 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jillswan FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T21:38:46Z FirstChildTAG: Excellent topic!We can get out of the crisis, if we start behaving as true heroes. The crisis for me is firstly moral and secondly economic. This course is a great opportunity. All together we can make our world better! Greetings, Maria for Lamia!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1230942 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Maroulou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T21:36:38Z IndexTAG: 36 TitleTAG: Why are you interested in this course? I pose these questions to any who are willing to share :) What interest you about this course? Why did you choose to take it vs other courses on edx? etc UserIdTAG: 147193 UserNameTAG: theCharger CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:45:08Z VoteTAG:16 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 63 FirstChildTAG: It seemed the most fun :) seemed easy too :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 972803 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pathos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:35:04Z SecondChildTAG: Simple and concise.. I like that. haha SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:41:11Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Dominicana! I'm interested on this course because Ancient Greek History and Mythology are some of the basis of our Western Civilization and because I enjoy so much all humanistic learning SecondChildUserIdTAG: 776654 SecondChildUserNameTAG: criscrac SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:41:41Z SecondChildTAG: Greetings from Ireland! I chose this course because I love reading, considering new ideas/ways of thinking about an idea. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1182995 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Karunda SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T11:18:50Z SecondChildTAG: Mostly because of references made in Peter Thiel's lectures at Stanford for startups. Blake Masters copied notes from the lectures and posted them online. Brilliant. Would love to dig deeper... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1136072 SecondChildUserNameTAG: eimi5 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:43:37Z SecondChildTAG: Not smart enough to be a computer programmer SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:53:43Z SecondChildTAG: literature is interesting and fun,the other courses offered don't fit my bill SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1247419 SecondChildUserNameTAG: donnallane SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T14:00:26Z SecondChildTAG: my pain coach challenged me to expand my world. I would rather learn and fail at Harvard then at the local Jr. college. More fun this way. I know nothing about computers. In a couple of weeks my whole family will hate me for pestering them with questions. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T22:41:44Z SecondChildTAG: @elizabethmorin You can pester us with questions. I for one know a ridiculous amount about computers and wish everyone did! @NickGarnett Funny enough, after getting frustrated because this class still had 2 weeks left before it started.. I signed up for the Programming class on edx as well. I've never messed with Python so it will be very interesting to see if I can learn a decent amount.. I'm also trying to learn Japanese at the same time! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T09:53:50Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Uruguay: I am very interested on this course because I love Greece Culture and specialy Greece´s Literature. I am afraid a little because my english is not very well. I´ll do my best. Thanks for everybody...Have me patience!!! and I request you: Please correct my language. Thanks,again!!!! Alicia...but not from Wonderland!!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258340 SecondChildUserNameTAG: aliciacuello SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T21:06:11Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from New Zealand, I am taking this course because I am learning about Jungian psychology and I know v. little about Greek mythology, so it is a addition to my life. Mary SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146672 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MontanaMaryH SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T07:17:34Z SecondChildTAG: @Alicia Your English is at least understandable so that's a plus! If I was to correct your above post I would make it say: Hello from Uruguay: I am very interested in this course because I love Greek Culture and especially Greek Literature. I am afraid a little because my English is not very good. I´ll do my best. Thanks everybody...Have patience with me!!! and I request of you: Please correct my language. Thanks,again!!!! Alicia...but not from Wonderland!!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T08:21:57Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Athens. I am very interested in this course because first of all I am Greek and I am proud of my ancient history. In my opinion, every Greek should learn properly its history which unfortunately is not happening. Currently, I am studying **Human studies in the class of the Greek civilization of the Greek Open University.** I was always a huge fan of Greek mythology and pre-historic era (MyKines, etc) and I my aim is to take my bachelor of course. I have spent many months visiting ancient monuments and places having a huge historic background, so when i saw this course on the internet, I was very excited and registered immediately in order to improve my knowledge about ancient Greek history. Congratulations for this idea and keep up the good work!!! :D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280337 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Afroditi2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:39:37Z SecondChildTAG: I'm like @Alicia. The class seems wonderful, but my English isn't good enough for academics standards. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T00:18:04Z SecondChildTAG: Hi I am alsevere I am planning on writting a science fiction novel that mixes super heroes in it so I am participating in this course to polish my idea and my writting style this will be my second book first one was a sort of auto biography SecondChildUserIdTAG: 676751 SecondChildUserNameTAG: alsevere SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:43:35Z SecondChildTAG: Hi the reason I'm interested in this course is because I want to Know a little more about Ancient Greek Heroes. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 967254 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sanchez04 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T23:01:34Z SecondChildTAG: I love history, It is simple as that. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 507972 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Radimaker SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T06:58:41Z SecondChildTAG: I spent a number of years in classical studies finishing an MA and not finishing the PHD, but it has been 40 years since I moved on to Librarianship. Now I am retired and would like to go back and visit my first love - the ancient world. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Joannaroo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T22:45:34Z SecondChildTAG: I love reading mythology and I also write. I thought that this course could help fulfil my love of stories as well as helping me to become a better writer. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1065630 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BLBarber SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T21:03:44Z SecondChildTAG: I would like to be in touch with the original ideas SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T00:48:14Z SecondChildTAG: i believe that mythology is unwriten history. I think that it's a good place to examine that theory. Filippos SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1263528 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Filippos13 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T09:16:21Z SecondChildTAG: P.S. A great American writer :Steven Pressfield , makes me , to re-love greek history. Join him ... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1263528 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Filippos13 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T09:34:54Z SecondChildTAG: Love mythology and have always been fascinated by it. I am so focused on systems and numbers on a daily basis, I want to use "the other side" of my brain as well! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1292863 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JAlford SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T01:56:08Z SecondChildTAG: One of my sons, who is a PhD English candidate at Harvard, did two things of interest to me. 1. He used an ancient Greek dictionary to translate the Iliad(I think) so that he might learn the language and, he went to Greece and traveled the path of Odysseus over the course of 6 weeks. When I saw this course I felt that I might gain some insight into his interest and, having been a history major many years ago, it interests me from that perspective. Texican SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1482805 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Texican SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T00:21:47Z FirstChildTAG: What interest me about this course.. It appears to delv into a few areas that I have an interest in. To include ancient history, culture, religion/mythology, literature, and questions. I have always found mythology especially intriguing and entertaining. I suppose partially because I was introduced to it at a young age and the stories were very fun. What made mythology and ancient lit that incorporated mythology more interesting was.. No matter which text I read, I already knew a lot about some of the characters even before reading! (such as the heroes or gods/goddesses and so on that were in multiple texts that I read) Although I found history rather boring growing up, I've since started to see it as very interesting. History and culture.. both ancient and modern day are very fun to learn about. Not entirely sure why haha. Any kind of literature can be entertaining and draw you into it. Literature that involves extremely grand things I think is especially so; Be it gods/goddesses/titans and monsters and heroes or utopias and dystopias or magic/extremely scientifically advanced societies or anything else that is almost unimaginably colossal. Why did I choose this course vs others offered on edx? Well actually this course, although very fun and enlightening I'm sure it will be, would not have been my first choice. Let's back up a little. I've been thinking about taking a course on this site for a while but I'm often very busy with work. I finally decided I was going to take one.. after advertising to all my friends on facebook about the site and telling them they should check it out and take a class or two. I wasn't really sure what to take but was leaning toward physics/EE/circuits or programming.. or something else along those lines. I didn't even really glance at The Ancient Greek Hero. So, because I love doing things with other people (not alone), I challenged a friend to take a course on here with me. I said something along the lines of "Hey __, you should totally take one of these classes on edx with me this spring. I'll even let you choose which one!" Of which he replied with something like, "Sounds great! I choose 'The Ancient Greek Hero'." At first, I was a bit surprised. Normal conversations with my friend are about quantum theory and space and things of that nature.. for him to have chosen 'The Ancient Greek Hero' was a bit unusual I thought. But nonetheless, I did promise that he could choose the class and quickly responded with "Not what I expected but.. Alright, Let's do this!" He promised that next time I'll get to pick which course we do. In any case, I believe I will thoroughly enjoy the class, even though it's not one I expected to be taking. As stated before, I love learning about the history and culture of a civilization. I also very much enjoy reading.. and grander the scenario/plot the better! (not always true but as a rule of thumb..) And exploring the socratic method of debate/questioning things is extremely intriguing to me. Socretes is one of my favorite philosophers.. one of the first that I ever read about. "Corrupting the youth" psh. Teaching people how to question and to have humility maybe! Anywho, done sharing my thoughts for the moment. Hope to see other thoughts on my little questions :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 147193 FirstChildUserNameTAG: theCharger FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:06:18Z SecondChildTAG: Many of us prefer to learn along with friends! We are so glad you enrolled and hope you enjoy the course!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:44:01Z SecondChildTAG: > Many of us prefer to learn along with friends! We are so glad you enrolled and hope you enjoy the course!! Thanks. I have no doubts that I will haha. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:54:53Z SecondChildTAG: Y soo Bla-man SecondChildUserIdTAG: 145957 SecondChildUserNameTAG: igolybev SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T14:28:35Z SecondChildTAG: I am a docent at the Getty Villa in Malibu, California and our collection is primarily Roman architecture and antquities but they are certainly inspired by the Greeks. I know more the Greek heroes and culture that inspired the Romans. LouR SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1203963 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LouR SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T23:33:58Z FirstChildTAG: I got interested in this course since I would like to broaden my knowledge in Greek history but I don't have the time to take a class. Having seen this while browsing another website, I got curious and checked it out. Right there and then, I decided to enroll in the course and encouraged my son to enroll as well. I chose this course since I am interested in the subject. The other courses seem too technical for me. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1162314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmyIniguez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:33:21Z SecondChildTAG: > Right there and then, I decided to enroll in the course and encouraged my son to enroll as well. I love those amazing spontaneous decisions! When I ran across this site, I couldn't help but tell others about it. I love to learn and I love for others to learn and to love to learn! Another good site, atleast for math and maybe other things, that I ran into recently is [Khan Academy][1]. I've so far only played around with the Math section.. but there's a lot of other stuff on there as well. Of particular interest to me, I think I'll be checking out the Programming/Computer Science section soon. > I chose this course since I am interested in the subject. The other courses seem too technical for me. Fair enough. Some might be.. Most of them appeared to be second semester college courses.. prerequisites mostly being some math like calculus 1 or 2. Other than the math prerequisites though, I think the majority of the classes on here are specifically for beginners/noobz in the field of interest. (Plus, there's no penalty if you start and quit a course.. or start and fail a course.. or anything like that.. so if something looks interesting.. whether you think it's too difficult or technical/etc or not, it may be worth checking out regardless. Who knows, you might learn that it's easier than you thought and even fun!) [1]: https://www.khanacademy.org/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:58:09Z SecondChildTAG: I agree with you theCharger - I love to learn, and couldn't stop telling people about this opportunity so other people could also enjoy the EdX community! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897688 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexandraroach SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T00:43:41Z FirstChildTAG: Very simply, I love ancient history! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 928353 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Climber1979 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:17:40Z SecondChildTAG: I love learning period, but especially history. Additionally, I love to read and have read *The Odyssey* and *The Iliad* many times. I wanted to expand my knowledge in this area as I have never focused on this area of history. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 949334 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RebeccaS SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T15:13:58Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Everyone - I know little about Greek Mythology and decided it's time I did! I'm living in the UK at the moment. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1064755 FirstChildUserNameTAG: artyyah FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:24:49Z SecondChildTAG: Haha, very good reason! That's one of my reasons for learning anything and everything (along with the sheer joy and not to mention applications of most things). "Don't know much about it... time to change that!" SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:50:13Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone! I'm here basically for the joy of learning and to keep the old brain ticking! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 190826 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pth FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:56:11Z SecondChildTAG: Haha! I plan on actively engaging myself mentally for as long as my brain will allow it. If we reach immortality in my lifetime, I may be a walking super computer of knowledge and skills if I have anything to say about it! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:02:12Z SecondChildTAG: I hope to join you there. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 785163 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Danny49 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T06:50:07Z SecondChildTAG: Now in my 80th year-I was a former philosophy major at Radcliffe and studied with Rafael Demos. I would love to learn about Greek literature and mythology. This is so exciting. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1110492 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Judy55 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:50:39Z SecondChildTAG: Go you good thing! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897688 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexandraroach SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T00:43:59Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! I am interested in this course because, though I have been studying Classics for a while, I think that they keep teaching us new things if we look at them from different angles. Mythology is timeless. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1149234 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Witch_Hazel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:31:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hi evererybody: I am a telecommunication engineer and an economist, working as a computer security auditor in Madrid, Spain. So, nothing to be related to the Greeks, but recently I began to learn about English Literature and I am enthusiastic about it and I think this course may be a great supplement of it, as it is in the roots of everything. I hope we will be able to be in contact to comment about all these matters and I am also really anxious to know about the cohorts and the organization of the course. How many hours a week will we need to dedicate to this course? When will it be available all the material? and things like those about our involvement. Regards from Pozuelo, Madrid, Spain. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1145164 FirstChildUserNameTAG: REBOM58 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:34:50Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for enrolling and for sharing these thoughts! > I hope we will be able to be in contact to comment about all these matters and I am also really anxious to know about the cohorts and the organization of the course. We will share more details about this very soon! In the meantime, I can tell you that we are very eager to foster discussion around the texts. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:57:05Z FirstChildTAG: Well, I feel a little intimidated using this platform to communicate with people involved in Museology and the study of the same. Greek mythology is an inherent part of a study of archeology and Museum study. Ancient religion and philosophy is not only my weakness, it's my livelihood. All the old and ancient civilizations draw me in like iron and magnet. I do not know how much time I would be able to dedicate for the course as I work full time as a content writer. But, I must thank Edx for the excellent opportunity it has bestowed upon me both to learn various ancient civilizations and history as well as opening a hope for me to join the Harvard University as a full time collegiate learning the Museology. Being a Pure Science graduate and studying Indian religious scriptures, other courses offered in physics and chemistry also find equal encouragement from my end to pursue. However, my love for History, iconology, archeology, philosophy and religion makes me want to choose this course foremost. I must say that I have no knowledge of the Greek heroes as I have not read any one of them. Looking forward to some interesting insights from this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1224286 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kulavadhuta123 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:36:40Z SecondChildTAG: Most of my knowledge of the Greek heroes comes from the little I have read (Odyssey for example being one of my all time favorites) and funny enough, a game called Age of Mythology (Simple older RTS game that incorporated some mythology). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:04:07Z FirstChildTAG: I have just completed a Masters in Classics and quite frankly I am in love with my subject. I chose to partake in this course as it will broaden my horizons on a topic I have little studied in depth and also allows for this kind of discourse with individuals from across the world. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1006848 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JBKnight FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:57:31Z SecondChildTAG: That's the part I like the most.. the part I didn't even know about. The ability to discuss the course with others from all over the world is extremely appealing and I'm very much looking forward to continued communication with all of you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:01:50Z FirstChildTAG: I want to give an opportunity to Professor Nagy to show me that Ilias is not only about ten years' massacre. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:39:04Z SecondChildTAG: Justagirl, Prof. Nagy will spend a great deal of time on the Iliad! It should be fun!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:53:02Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you! :) It's a great opportunity to learn. Do you think the cohort forums work as intended? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:59:59Z SecondChildTAG: So sorry I didn't see this question sooner! We actually haven't assigned students to the forums yet. But, so far, the online discussion seems wonderful. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T18:00:19Z SecondChildTAG: Since this is my first edx course, I was likewise a little confused as to whether this discussion section was the apparent forum/cohort or something different. I came to the conclusion after signing up for another course that also had this discussion section, that it was not and the cohort/forums were a different thing we've not been exposed to yet (also there was the lack of a hero name visible anywhere haha so a little clue). In any case, thanks for the confirmation! > But, so far, the online discussion seems wonderful. Agreed SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T08:26:47Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everybody!!! I was always fascinated for mithology. Greek, roman... But I don`t know much about it. And I`m a teacher, so I hope to learn more to teach on my literature classes. And the most important... I love reading and learning!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1213783 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Chrisfontenele FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:20:22Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks so much for enrolling! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:53:25Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, everyone -- I decided to take this course because I teach "The Odyssey" and other Greek mythology to 9th grade students. I'd like to know a lot more than they do about something I teach them -- I hoped to get a deeper understanding and more in-depth knowledge about heroes in Greek mythology. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1181747 FirstChildUserNameTAG: picohio7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:44:54Z SecondChildTAG: > I'd like to know a lot more than they do about something I teach them Love this answer. To go off on a slight tangent for a min.. I remember when I was in elementary school. I knew the same amount or more about science than my science teacher! It was just a slight bit frustrating to have questions that your teachers couldn't answer! Specifically (there are lots of examples but one comes to mind right now) I remember that they couldn't give a proper definition to the magnitude of a newton. A classmate of mine asked the question.. it I wasn't so shy back then, I would have answered it. But instead I watched the science teacher ask other teachers.. all of which didn't know and just kinda guessed :( > [..] equal to the amount of net force required to accelerate a mass of one kilogram at a rate of one meter per second squared. - Wikipedia So simple.. but they didn't know haha. So for a teacher to want to gather knowledge so they can pass it on to others! I like that. ^_^ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:13:45Z FirstChildTAG: I go through these spurts of fascination with myths, but often put them down and forget most of the wisdom found in them when taking them on quietly by myself. Never having taken a course on the subject, I'm hoping that my retention of the material will stick with more in depth reading and discussion. Although you can get much enjoyment form a quick breeze through the Odyssey, a lot is missed from such "fast reading" as Prof. Nagy aptly puts it. The idea of the hero is also interesting and important as a young person trying to figure out one's place in the world. I hoping not only for intellectual but also spiritual engagement from the course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1213334 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jdworrall FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:27:44Z FirstChildTAG: Because I teach a course on Classic Art. It seem a great way to expand my knowledge on greek literature. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1157346 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rujerez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:45:41Z SecondChildTAG: that seems like an interesting connection. any particular artists that you teach about? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 944884 SecondChildUserNameTAG: aylaeh SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T18:33:09Z FirstChildTAG: I've been learning Classical Greek for the past few years. As my language skills have developed I have gained more interest in understanding the context surrounding the literature that I'm learning to read. Very much looking forward to it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1229810 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MikeNoel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:49:47Z FirstChildTAG: I've been studying some poetry, and decided I need some more knowledge of Greek mythology to fully appreciate some of the poems I'm reading. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 894095 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AndyGoheen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T20:57:35Z FirstChildTAG: It's my interest in philosophy that intrigued me....the metaphorical uses in greek literature are worth studying and hence here i am ....taking this course :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 848453 FirstChildUserNameTAG: arpit2593 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T09:10:59Z FirstChildTAG: As I wrote in another post that I can't find anymore (!) I consider Greek literature as the epitome of writing genius! (Favourites: Homer and the big three tragic authors Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides). I came to writing after studying law, so I never had a chance to study my literary models properly - I am just a fan with a great love for the extraordinary stories and myths they gave us, but have little knowledge beyond having read quite a bit. The question of heroes is a big theme for me, since I am busy creating a few iconic characters for a novel jumping between the 1920s and the near future. I am realy thrilled by this class and grateful for the chance to participate. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T18:06:01Z SecondChildTAG: Good to see a fellow pen-wielder. Sounds like an intriguing book. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1232183 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ApollosCrow SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T00:45:02Z SecondChildTAG: I keep stumbling on your intelligent comments and now I find a kind one :-) Looking forward to future exchanges on these pages. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T09:06:21Z FirstChildTAG: Love reading the reasons folks have signed up for this course. I'm an avid reader and so much of Western literature has been inspired by the classic Greek and Roman societies -- thought a nice intro/background to classic Greek philosophy etc would help make my on-going reading more rich. audra FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1126344 FirstChildUserNameTAG: unabridgedchick FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:50:40Z FirstChildTAG: They simply were the first men to stand up in front of their gods. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 953461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GerardU FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T07:37:47Z FirstChildTAG: Interested in the experience of heroes and men in war, and the idea of courage. Also, the professor looks great, and the course just looks richly organized on a topic I love, great classic literature. Also, how often do you get to take a free class from Harvard? :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: chekov FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:49:00Z SecondChildTAG: > Also, how often do you get to take a free class from Harvard? Hopefully that becomes a norm! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T21:37:38Z FirstChildTAG: I love ancient history and I recently read The Odyssey, which I found fantastic, so this course falls right under my area of interest. I'm also really interested in how the hero is portrayed in ancient literature, since it inspired (and still does) so much of world literature today. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1007698 FirstChildUserNameTAG: isaprospero FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:28:25Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to everyone, Very glad to finally make the time to take a class in a subject matter I'm interested in for pure pleasure. I always enjoyed Greek mythology when I was younger, then wanted to study archeology at university. That wasn’t exactly what my parents wanted so I completed my studies in math and science then went into the field of medical diagnostics. As soon as I graduated from College, my trip wasn’t the usual 'backpack around Europe' trip but off to the Greek Islands. Then life led me in another direction. I would pick up the occasional book but having no one to share my interest with, it remained my secret garden. So I am pleased to finally be able to pursue a subject of interest in a virtually connected environment which should lead to some great collective intelligence seeing our multicultural backgrounds. Looking forward to sharing, Maureen FirstChildUserIdTAG: 936813 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maureenbridget FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:17:03Z SecondChildTAG: Probably should add that I'm an American living in Paris, France since several years SecondChildUserIdTAG: 936813 SecondChildUserNameTAG: maureenbridget SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:17:38Z SecondChildTAG: Very nice! How is Paris compared to the States? I briefly ventured into France a few times, but not enough to know much about the culture or anything. I visited a WWI fort.. and also did some hiking on the France, German border. Lots of very large hills.. or small mountains I guess.. and trails, castles/castle ruins to see. very fun stuff. Anyways, back to the subject. Glad to see someone, lots of people on here actually, who enjoy mythology and now have a fun, interactive environment to learn about the history, culture and mythology of Ancient Greece. Always nice to see people excited to learn! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:47:44Z SecondChildTAG: > Very glad to finally make the time to take a class in a subject matter I'm interested in for pure pleasure. We are cheering you on as you pursue some of your life-long interests!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:48:03Z FirstChildTAG: I just finished an AA degree last fall, and as geeky as it sounds, I realized I was going to miss learning in a structured environment. I can't quite afford to continue my education, so Edx seems like a perfect compromise. I love history and literature, and especially the Homeric epics - which I'm excited to continue exploring. I think Edx is a great project, and I hope they will keep expanding their selection of humanities/arts courses. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1232183 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ApollosCrow FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T00:41:19Z FirstChildTAG: Because after having taken the wrong decision concerning my studies at a young age and having worked for many years in the wrong job, I feel that it is time to study what I really love, which is classical studies, linguistics and literature. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1217168 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AmaliaL FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T12:54:45Z SecondChildTAG: How beautiful!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T18:02:47Z FirstChildTAG: i chose this course for several reasons as well. 1. it is FREE. let's be honest. many of us don't have a lot of money to spend on college classes. 2. i have read the odyssey and the iliad in the past as well as various other stories about greek mythology. i love to read! 3. i very much enjoy greek theater as well. i have seen the lysistrata among other shows. i even got the chance to see a performance of the odyssey that the national theater of the deaf put on many years ago. 4. i love history and archaeology. several years ago i listened to a college lecture series that was about archaeology and architecture that was facinating. not only these reasons but i have been wanting to take a continuing education class but either never have the money or if i do have the money i don't have the time. this class, since it is free and can to an extent be done on my own time, gets both of those issues out of the way. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 944884 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aylaeh FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T18:30:32Z FirstChildTAG: I am a teacher of ancient and moderne Greek, so I have read, seen, heard about all these subjects again and again and I am still fascinated by their readings, meanings, aspects. Every time I read Odysseia I am thrilled like a child that wants to hear the tale again and again and again! My favourite subject is Nekyia ( the journey in the land of death). A simple but great film that you can enjoy is Odysseia from Andrei Konchalovsky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F093xEYWM24 I am in love with this subject, this platform , this democracy of knowledge, only that we are too many and I can't read you all... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 185470 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vifo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T19:23:48Z FirstChildTAG: I know very little about Ancient Greek History. So i want to know more, i hope it'll be so much fun. It's a great opportunity to get a free class from Harvard. Thank you so much for this! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1087507 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nodee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T03:34:27Z FirstChildTAG: I want to take this course to better understand, why I have been drawn to these Heroes throughout my life. Since I was a child, myths of all sorts have stirred me. When I was around 11 years old, I happened upon a fantastic section in one of my Parent's old college textbooks. Most of the book covered Roman and Greek Civilizations. I laid there it seemed the entire summer, sprawled on the floor with feet in the air, eating these tongue shattering sour candies (Mom's poor textbook), mesmerized by the art and reading all the captions and poetry. I'm not sure if I understood much, but that did not seem to be an issue at the time, I just knew it had my attention. I suppose now, I want to add comprehension to that pleasant memory. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1186968 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hydra4 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T07:32:32Z FirstChildTAG: I have always wish that I could time-travel. There is something romantic about those time period. And I want to learn a little bit about human behavior and how have we evolve overtime. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 861599 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nam2point0 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T18:18:37Z FirstChildTAG: I am afraid that there is not any comparable educational program like this in Greece.It's a big opportunity for everyone... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T17:34:26Z SecondChildTAG: It's an endless subject, that you have a lot to say.Aa a teacher of ancient greek language, I feel excited that I am a part of your company... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 SecondChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T17:38:02Z FirstChildTAG: I have always been interested in ancient Greek history and myth and a former professor of mine sent me a link to this course so I signed up. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1001619 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AngieS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T14:57:09Z FirstChildTAG: I've been working at Harvard University for almost 13 years now. Although I am located right on campus and have convenient access to participate in many courses offered through Harvard's continuing ed program (and might I add for such a nominal fee), the structured class setting doesn't always fit in with my schedule. I am excited to take part in HarvardX's experimental online study, and am happy to see the numbers enrolled in this course! I believe in Harvard's mission to "help improve teaching and learning on campus, expand access to high-quality education worldwide, and advance our understanding of how students learn through research". I thought what better way to support this mission by enrolling in a course myself! March 13th can't come soon enough :) I truly hope this course will be the first of many for me. My co-worker and I made a pact to take this course together, and to use our daily lunch hour to help each other study. This particular course peaked our interest the most, in part because it was offered by Harvard, but also due to the fact that other courses listed in the spring semester were too technical for our liking. JusticeX was our second choice. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994011 FirstChildUserNameTAG: karrieford FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T01:07:17Z FirstChildTAG: My profile somewhere....do I need to say more ? :) Classical civs afficcionate. Got a degree in History and a post-degree lato sensu in History and Ancient Culture. I've been at eleven countries, mostly on Europe. Saw some ancient greek and roman sites on the spot. Main fields of research: Greek Historians from Classical and Hellenistic Ages, Politics and Military affairs, Pelloponesian War, Thucydides, Plutarch, Timaeus, Alexander III and Phillip II, Diadocoi and Epigonoi Wars, British and German XIXth phillelenism FirstChildUserIdTAG: 894193 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MarcelloDeAlMar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T23:24:59Z FirstChildTAG: This is the first time I registered for an online course. I have continued taking courses in Greek & Roman Art at PhD level in a classroom setting and I definitely like that type of student and professor interaction as well as learning experience and museum trips. Since I have a career in a different field, it is sometimes difficult to take a class once a week after work and I thought to give this online session a chance and compare which is best suited for me. I am grateful for the course and I look forward to the learning experience as well. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1346784 FirstChildUserNameTAG: delphiniasalamin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T16:58:17Z FirstChildTAG: Warm Greetings from Delhi,India !! Warm I say because - one, India is getting warmer (climate) these days and second, Indians are considered warm and affectionate basically (well, this is what I have generally heard, it can be otherwise). Not only am I new to this course, but I am new to any kind of online course for that matter. But I am an enthusiast and that is why I am here. I have studied Philosophy and Literature in my graduation. Pursued Literature further upto my post graduation and Ph.D. Greek studies has been an area of my interest. Thank you for giving me this opportunity to be a part of this course. I look forward to a new kind of learning experience here. Though I teach today, there is a learner in me ever ready to learn more and more. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1088370 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Niva81 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T13:50:41Z FirstChildTAG: I've watched the videos on the Harvard site and I was dancing with joy at the prospect of being part of this course! I'm a storyteller, and have been studying, telling and teaching since 1996- and in 2005 decided to learn from the greatest storyteller ever..Homer is, definitely the most succesfull, best known, bestselling, most quoted .. So a journey began, Learning 3 books by heart, from the Odyssey, immersing myself in studies of oral poetry, and telling, researching, experimenting with ways to be an epic teller in the 21st century. I think I discovered close reading all by myself, reading in Ancient greek with the help of the perseus project it has been the most enjoyable time of my life, rich and fulfilling, and the idea of sharing this passion with people who are immersed in this world with the same joy, and learning together with aaaalllllll of you just makes me very happy. And did I tell you that if we could travel in time and meet one person, that would definitely be Simonides, from Kea. Since time travel has not been invented yet, this course just might be the next best thing! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893044 FirstChildUserNameTAG: manyamar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:27:21Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Western Canada, I have a health condition that keeps me from being able to work or go to school reasonably, which makes me have a fair bit of spare time. This got me looking for online courses that I could do. I am excited to be able to learn on a schedule that is flexible enough that I can handle it. I chose to take this course in particular because I have always loved learning about different cultures. I know very little about the Greek and their Heroes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1361653 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EloquentInk FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T01:59:29Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! I am Mónica from Argentina. I am very happy to meet you all and pleasantly surprised. I think this course will be very interesting. I like to read very much. My english isn´t very good and i don´t have much memory I hope we can complete the course and then we go to Greece and we know personally. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 926923 FirstChildUserNameTAG: z4 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T02:55:14Z FirstChildTAG: Professor, I am writing a story (several actually) and, as they center around the Hero Archetype, I chose this course because it seemed the most useful to me. While I am interested in computer science, I prefer writing. I am taking this course in the hopes that it will give me a better understanding of Greek Hero's, and therefore a better understanding of my character development and their struggles. -Aaron Hill FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1136204 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aaronhhill FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T07:46:22Z FirstChildTAG: Apparently I posted my answer to this question as a comment to someone else's response. I think I have it right this time. I am a retired librarian who spent 10 years studying classics ( BA, MA and half of a PhD)in the late sixties and seventies. I now have the time to return to my first love! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1343306 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Joannaroo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T06:16:54Z FirstChildTAG: I teach composition as well as World Literature. I am also a phd student in composition and rhetoric with a concentration in the digital humanities. I also am involved in a MOOC grant project. All of these efforts seemed to point in the direction of this course. It satisfies many requirements for expanding my knowledge of what I do every day in very different venues. And my sister went to Princeton. I want to say I took a class at Harvard. I have rowed at Harvard but never taken a class. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 999009 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MHOConnor FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T23:57:42Z FirstChildTAG: My undergrad degree is in Classical Studies, but I haven't really done anything with "Classics" since I graduated. That being said, for the past few years I have been teaching a course about archetypes at my university that pulls on Classical mythology, and especially the concept of the hero. I really wish I could remember some of the stories and readings from my past. When I saw this class being offered I thought it sounded so interesting and a way to relearn some concepts and ideas...as well as actually pay more attention than I did when I was 18. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1104702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CaroMarie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T21:52:58Z FirstChildTAG: I am writing an epic I call Hermead about Greek philosophers and scientists so I am taking this course because I want to learn more about classical epic so I can write better stories. I have written 57,000 lines of blank verse so far on the lives of 22 Greek philosophers. I posted the tale of Platon online: http://www.scribd.com/Surazeus FirstChildUserIdTAG: 920870 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Surazeus FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T05:02:42Z FirstChildTAG: It is something I've always wanted to learn about FirstChildUserIdTAG: 915549 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HamishM FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T11:38:14Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I have a Master's degree in History, specializing in History of Science from ancient to Newton. (I know, long time span, right?) In any case, the debt we owe to the Greek philosophers is incalculable. For this reason, as well as my interest in the history of ideas in general,I could not resist taking this course. Cheers, Isabelle Flemming FirstChildUserIdTAG: 990595 FirstChildUserNameTAG: iflemming FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T01:00:20Z FirstChildTAG: I've tried a couple of times to wade through The Odyssey and Iliad on my own, with little success. I'm beginning a Latin-Centered Homeschool Curriculum for my kids next school year, and my 9 year old will be beginning Latin study and reading kids versions of those two epics. I am hoping to gain a solid understanding of them to help guide him through his lessons! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1368211 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mandie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T19:55:21Z FirstChildTAG: While my background is in American history, with a concentration in the colonial period but more recently becoming immersed in the 19th c. through several research projects (see http://datingjanebook.wix.com/lillymartinspencer), I have had a love for Ancient Greece since my undergraduate minor in political science. I was fortunate to have been in a program that concentrated heavily on the ancients - and almost immediately I developed a strong interest in that area. I currently serve as the VP of professional development and training for a 1/2 billion dollar credit union in Virginia. In this capacity, I have overseen the development of a training program that uses the humanities as a foundation for business training - in fact, the program I have developed has recently won a national award for excellence in employee engagement! As such, with a love of the subject and my use of the humanities for professional development at my credit union, I figured that this course would be a wonderful way to begin to quench my thirst for knowledge and possibly help to spark some ideas about new ways to use the material we will cover in a business training environment. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1156112 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bscott FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T21:26:57Z FirstChildTAG: I'm taking this course because I've always been fascinated with mythology, Greek and Egyptian in particular. So when I saw this one offered for free, I couldn't resist the chance to take it as I'd already loved the two similar courses that I took while at uni. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1009273 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VEVancollie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T01:11:18Z FirstChildTAG: I've always been fascinated by the idea of the Hero and Anti-hero. I think, at heart, all of us want to be heroic in our own way. How else then is the hero such a prevalent theme in culture? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 944186 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Randgris FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T16:09:02Z FirstChildTAG: I've loved history since my 4th grade teacher read us the Diary of Anne Frank. I always had a draw to American and 20th Century history ... and something of a disdain for Ancient history (they don't have anything to teach me and it's so boring, you know?). I studied Social Studies Ed in college, and took no class that dealt with history prior to the 17th C. Boo on me. I'm home educating my children and in the past year we studied Ancients and I found it fascinating. At the same time (ah, synchronicity), our Sunday School class recently began a study of the inter-testamental period with a local professor and it was so interesting. I don't know why suddenly, as I'm turning 40, the Ancients are so intriguing! Anyway, as a personal reading goal this year I had the Iliad and the Odyssey, so this seemed to be the perfect opportunity to have some hand holding before we come back around to studying Ancients in a few years. One thing that has been of interest to me in my recent learning of the period is summed up in the old adage: The more things change the more they stay the same. Such a disdain I had was really a prejudice of time. The people of that age struggled with similar issues that we struggle with today and there is much we can learn from them. And one another. Excited to begin :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1235396 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ladydusk FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:52:07Z FirstChildTAG: sorry for my english... I'm from Mexico, I study biology, almost done the career.. In certain point my attention was attracted by the fact of how the evolutionary adaptations of animals repercutes in the beliefs and mythology of all cultures around the world. Example: in many cultures like chinese, western, mesoamerican.. exist a belief that butterflies are the souls of the dead, manifesting or returning in their own burial. The biological cause of this is because these cultures use flowers in their burials/funerals, flowers with nectar, the food of these insects, then they're attracted. I began read about beliefs and myths about animals. Reading this way I discovered the indo-european culture, I didn't know they existed, a culture core that evolved and conquested from Iceland to India, mother culture of indians, nordics, celts, greeks, italians, persians... I've noticed that the figure of the hero in indo-europeans is very important, the warrior hero (by the way, the horse is closely related with the warrior hero). I just want to know more about this important cultural element! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1063495 FirstChildUserNameTAG: balamjaguar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T22:57:06Z FirstChildTAG: I think because i'm very curious.. I'm 16 years old, from Argentina, and I think i have to learn constantly new things, so this is a new way. This is the first time i sign up for something like a course. This and Justice too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1406498 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AldanaBQuintana FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T23:37:15Z FirstChildTAG: Because this course is about my own life. I find aspects of my life in this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305100 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ayshagawa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T08:51:34Z FirstChildTAG: Kalimera apo Ellada! Good morning from Greece!! I' m Greek so I'm proud of all our culture and I want to feel proud again after all this "economic crisis" and humiliation we have being through... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1371672 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VayaSarri FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T09:56:49Z FirstChildTAG: Because there's nothing like expanding our knowledge! Hello from Lebanon. Samer El Fakih FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1415496 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SamerFakih FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T13:02:16Z SecondChildTAG: Samir, So True! Expanding knowledge base will only bring better insight in this subject matter and push the educated person to continue. Push on! Peggy Stein ( Margaret Stein) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 847257 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pegma32 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T14:27:10Z FirstChildTAG: I am interested in this course because it looks very interesting and I like this sort of reading for my own personal interest. It looks intriguing and fascinating and a bit mysterious thanks. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1433086 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MYSCHA FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T21:47:26Z FirstChildTAG: I studied Greek mythology in 12th grade, that's long ago. That days i didn't find interesting and understand its historic value. As i have a great interest in world history, specially, Greek history and also expand my knowledge i interested to take this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1050070 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rubayyat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T01:46:35Z FirstChildTAG: I am taking this course because I read about the availability of EdX online, and told my local library about this, and they decided to sign up and they started out with the first course on Greek Heroes. They advertised it around town on community e-mail lists, and they will start a discussion group here in April 2013 in the library, so I wanted to find out how this new online educational method works, so I signed up, and besides, my undergraduate education in the classics was woefully lacking -- most of it squeezed into a few days before the final exams. Wayne FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1419227 FirstChildUserNameTAG: WayneSherwood FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T21:05:18Z FirstChildTAG: I dont know what i s exactly in this course but i am exicited....want to learn some new things in life.... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 380343 FirstChildUserNameTAG: deltadocks FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T11:29:26Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Austin, Texas. I am a retired development consultant who has never stopped trying to answers those big existential questions that have been nagging me since my undergraduate years - you guessed it - I was an English major. Now, the heat is on. I'm getting old and decided to jump-start the search for enlightenment in the writings of the ancient Greeks. It is wonderful to have such an eminent scholar such as Dr. Nagy as my guide. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1343435 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DLMP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T20:49:14Z FirstChildTAG: i think its not an easy subject because without an interest we cant even read this so we need some determination positive attitude with this subject and those who love to explore the world its an easy way without any cost. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1264022 FirstChildUserNameTAG: varunpai FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T02:46:44Z IndexTAG: 37 TitleTAG: Kind regards from sunny Athens, Greece! Hi everyone! I'm Angeliki from Athens! I'm so happy to see the interest in this course from people around the globe!Ancient Greece was the cradle of civilization and philosophy! According to Plato, the charioteers were called heroes, ie those that manage to tame the non-logical part of their soul (in Greek: non-logical=άλογο=horse). I hope this course to bring us close to the values ​​and ideals of a hero, precious supplies to deal with our internal and external "enemies"! UserIdTAG: 1332483 UserNameTAG: Angeliki1981 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T17:04:55Z VoteTAG:13 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: agree with you! angeliki ! eliza from athens :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1235414 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elliparos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T00:59:46Z SecondChildTAG: i agree too!!!Nefeli from Ioannina!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1394639 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli_1990 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T22:56:52Z SecondChildTAG: Geia sas koritsiaaa! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1412533 SecondChildUserNameTAG: OlympiaGreece SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:10:46Z SecondChildTAG: Kalhmera from Trikala! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1386078 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AnnitaGr SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T10:50:55Z IndexTAG: 38 TitleTAG: Brazil with us! Hello my friends! I´m from Brazil, my name is Paulo Henrique. I´m very happy with this opportunity. Greetings! UserIdTAG: 1092189 UserNameTAG: ferreiraphs CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:30:39Z VoteTAG:12 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 21 FirstChildTAG: Hey there! Im from the US of A excited to see so many brazilians on here! Looking forward to the course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:25:17Z SecondChildTAG: hello Brazil!!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331990 SecondChildUserNameTAG: meniakour SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T21:12:53Z FirstChildTAG: Let´s go guys!! Talk in portuguese! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1092189 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ferreiraphs FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:26:11Z SecondChildTAG: Hahaha... falar em português foi ótima! Mas é verdade, ao menos no chat "brasileiro" podemos nos dar ao luxo de trocar algumas sentenças em português! Bem-vindo(a) a bordo por sinal! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 210331 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RWNB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:27:48Z SecondChildTAG: Uêba! Vai ter arroz à grega durante as aulas!. =) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 989132 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nicius SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:33:08Z SecondChildTAG: Ah, que bom encontrar brasileiros aqui! Já não me sinto tão só! rsrs SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1151889 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Fernanda_Lopes SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:47:33Z SecondChildTAG: Olá pessoal!!! Ansiosa demais por este curso. Estamos juntos!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1213783 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Chrisfontenele SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:24:56Z SecondChildTAG: Olá :-) Se quiserem, participe d nosso grupo de estudos em Potuguês. https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:33:17Z SecondChildTAG: Bom saber que tenho colegas da minha amada terrinha :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 950544 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lauton SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T19:05:43Z SecondChildTAG: Ae pessoal! E eu pensando que não encontraria brasileiros por aqui, hehe. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1324789 SecondChildUserNameTAG: andre_ramos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T20:31:07Z SecondChildTAG: E ae galera, brasileiro é que nem barata, tá em tudo lugar auhauhauhuah. Vai ser bom acompanhar o curso com alguém que fala português, porque causa o inglês trave, a gente tira umas dúvidas. Abração pra todo mundo. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 92207 SecondChildUserNameTAG: yuresato SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T04:20:22Z SecondChildTAG: auhauh! Vamos contribuir positivamente ai galera! :) Abraco a todo@s a todos os BRASUCAS. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1350071 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ronaldgobbi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:28:16Z SecondChildTAG: Oi, pessoal! Ótimo encontrar brasileiros por aqui! Se der pau no inglês, espero contar com ajuda de vocês!!! Grande abraço! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1249823 SecondChildUserNameTAG: anjerq SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:13:42Z SecondChildTAG: se tinha brasileiro até na ilha de lost imagina aqui kkk, abraço a todos SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1310927 SecondChildUserNameTAG: leonardoexu SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T00:12:22Z SecondChildTAG: Saudações tupiniquins! É o Brasil com o professor Nagy!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 964135 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sussumu SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T14:04:48Z FirstChildTAG: Hello PH! I'm Rafael. It's really cool to find a Brazilian friend here. Mainly because few people from our country know about this amazing space of knowledge. If you need something, please, do not hesitate to discuss with me and sure I'll expect to count on you if necessary. Best regards. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 210331 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RWNB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:00:15Z SecondChildTAG: A portuguese here too. If you guys need anything just ask =P SecondChildUserIdTAG: 144829 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Bruno_pt SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:02:17Z SecondChildTAG: Hey dude! Sure I will xD SecondChildUserIdTAG: 210331 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RWNB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:18:42Z SecondChildTAG: Hey guys, i´m from Brazil too! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 928532 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mcl86 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:50:10Z SecondChildTAG: RWNB, join us ''Portuguese Study Group'' https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:34:06Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, Paulo Henrique! I'm so glad because I found another brazilian here! My name is Simone and I'm from Paraíba. ^^ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 928887 FirstChildUserNameTAG: simoneavlis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:04:27Z SecondChildTAG: Glad to see so many brazilians! This is Rafael from Fortaleza! Greetings! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1143842 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RBarros SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T03:16:00Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from São Paulo. My name is Katiuska. I hope we can count on each other. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1117317 FirstChildUserNameTAG: katiwal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:17:46Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Katiuska! I am from SP too. Btw, you are the second person I know with this name! So different xD If you need anything, just keep in touch! Best regards, Rafael. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 210331 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RWNB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:20:28Z SecondChildTAG: Katiuska, participe do nosso Grupo de Estudos em Português ^^ https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:38:20Z FirstChildTAG: Hey everyone! Another brazilian here, from Brasília! I'm glad to find you guys ! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1215606 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SallyBarcelos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:14:20Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Sally! I`m from Brasília too!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1213783 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Chrisfontenele SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:36:45Z FirstChildTAG: Fizemos o nosso grupo de estudos em Português para: - Discussões sobre as pautas do curso - Compartilhamento dos textos traduzidos para leitura - Socialização - Compartilhamento de links, textos e vídeos para leitura complementar https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:36:23Z SecondChildTAG: Olá Letícia! Fico muito feliz pelo convite em participar do grupo e mais ainda por criarem um canal para nós, brasileiros, compartilharmos conhecimento. Não sei se foi a criadora, mas parabenizo a ação!!! Cordialmente, Rafael. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 210331 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RWNB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:13:31Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, everyone! Great to meet you all! I'm from São Bernardo do Campo, in São Paulo. I've just confirmed my humble theory: wherever you go in this world, you're always sure to find some of your Brazilian compatriots to be with you! Hope we all enjoy this course and learn a lot from each other! =) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 929152 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MiriamSC FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:54:24Z SecondChildTAG: You are very sure about your theory fellow! The same for you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 162926 SecondChildUserNameTAG: danreis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:13:06Z SecondChildTAG: I believe in this theory. Wherever we are, there`s always a Brazilian. ;) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1213783 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Chrisfontenele SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:40:43Z FirstChildTAG: Alas!!!!!!! Alas!!!!!!Alas of me!!!!!!!!! It's needed a moan Greek to show how glad I am to have got this class. GoodFellas allow me to introduce myself, I’m André from Brazil too. And I'm hoping we can find a Greek hero in all of us. A very nice course to everyone. Kisses FirstChildUserIdTAG: 945614 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AndreLeo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:24:32Z SecondChildTAG: homi, eu podia jurar que tu ia cantar aquela música de carnaval "Ala, Ala, Ala meu bom Ala!" SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222688 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Julinha SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T15:07:56Z SecondChildTAG: rsrsrsrs, não minha querida, foi um aforism de um gemido grego: "Ai de min, ai de min". rsrs. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 945614 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AndreLeo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:40:11Z FirstChildTAG: Hello folks... From Salvador and I'm very excited with this course!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 162926 FirstChildUserNameTAG: danreis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:12:16Z SecondChildTAG: I'm from SSA too. :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240675 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HaggenKennedy SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:27:54Z FirstChildTAG: I´m from Campinas - São Paulo, nice to meet you guys! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 928532 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mcl86 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:50:53Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings to all our participants in Brazil! We are so glad you joined us!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:31:22Z FirstChildTAG: Pessoal, votem lá em cima do post pra deixar ele nos melhores resultados e mais brasileiros nos acarem. Entrem no página do FB se possível também. https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/ Grande abraço de Porto Alegre/RS. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1092189 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ferreiraphs FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:01:11Z SecondChildTAG: Sou de Porto também. Abraços! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1324789 SecondChildUserNameTAG: andre_ramos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T20:34:55Z FirstChildTAG: I'm in Brazil too! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 944596 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AlexandraOliveira FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:22:32Z SecondChildTAG: Welcome aboard! ^^ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 210331 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RWNB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:23:29Z SecondChildTAG: Hey there! Im from the US of A excited to see so many brazilians on here! Looking forward to the course! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:24:52Z SecondChildTAG: Olá, eu também sou brasileiro. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 926334 SecondChildUserNameTAG: OlavoBarreto SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:00:40Z SecondChildTAG: Nosso grupo de estudo em Português https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:32:33Z SecondChildTAG: I'm also joining in! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1037033 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Larissaguimaraes SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:23:58Z FirstChildTAG: I'm from Recife and it's awesome to know you gonna be here too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 989132 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nicius FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:34:18Z FirstChildTAG: My warm welcome to all compatriots. Here I am in Minas Gerais. Just remember guys to interact with people from different countries as well because it's a great opportunity for all of us! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 708360 FirstChildUserNameTAG: renanlucassa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T06:58:33Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to all Brazilians from Athens, Greece! We have quite a lot of your fellow Brazilians here in Athens and I dare say, we hold each other in high esteem (although you dance better than we do!). I personally have dear friends from your country so much, much love to all of you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1251553 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Annahou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T23:09:30Z FirstChildTAG: I'm Brazilian too! How nice to find so many countrymen here. Thanks Paulo Henrique in the alert. Greetings to all! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1145043 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeanfrancisco FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T23:40:02Z FirstChildTAG: Oi pessoal!. Sou de Piracicaba/SP. Aguardando ansiosa nosso curso! ;o) Big hugs to all of you... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1261705 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SandraLambais FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T02:46:16Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone! I'm Silvia from São Paulo. I study Translator and Interpreter at UNINOVE, and I've known about this course from my Greek Literature teacher. This is a great opportunity to learn and improve even more our knowledge. See you around Silvia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1384596 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Silviapicolo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T13:14:57Z FirstChildTAG: So thrilled to see so many Brasilians here! I'm currently living in a small town in Sao Paulo, called Franca. Sometimes I think I'm the only person who speaks English in our town and I'm always looking to meet English speakers in Brasil. Of course, I am practising Portuguese every day, but I'm rather slow! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1166176 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Baixa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T12:29:30Z IndexTAG: 39 TitleTAG: "Open Ended Panel" You may have noticed a new option on the navigation at the top of the course website called "Open Ended Panel." You may safely ignore it for now, but the reason that it is there is that we hope to debut open ended response and peer grading in the near future. As these are still in the testing stage, you won't see any results or pending actions when you click the link. UserIdTAG: 615718 UserNameTAG: jeffemanuel CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T21:38:34Z VoteTAG:10 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Thanks , I was the same questions about the open ended panel FirstChildUserIdTAG: 999455 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T23:12:13Z FirstChildTAG: Thank you for the clarification! As this is new for me on so many levels, I forget this is new and developing for you all as well. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1519313 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maybe FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T21:37:09Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks, I had posted a similar question, because I could no find any place to submit any responses on the questions that Dr Nagy posed in some of the hours prior to current one. This clarifies it and I won't worry about, at least not at this time. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1097739 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Drfipena1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T01:29:29Z IndexTAG: 40 TitleTAG: is there going to be a way to download the video lectures? Edx's player is brutal to my CPU... ...and having to click the youtube logo to view it in Youtube just distracts me so I can't really concentrate on anything except how much I hate Edx for having to do that each time and for them never bothering to fix any of the numerous problems with their site. Downloading the videos would be much more convenient as it would free me a little from the 'edx experience'. In a previous class from MITx the videos were available for download but they were so HUGE in size it made downloading them almost as absurd as watching them on the Edx site. So it is important that they are not astronomically huge as well. Also perhaps this course would consider switching to the another platform besides Edx? it would be much easier on the nerves. But most importantly I won't be able to watch the videos unless they are available for download at a reasonable size. UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T04:12:26Z VoteTAG:10 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_Questions NumberOfReplyTAG: 7 FirstChildTAG: Thanks for posting this question and for raising this issue. You will be able to download the videos but they will be at full resolution. Participants will also be able to download MP3 audio files. We have shared the request for lower res files and will continue to work towards this goal!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T01:19:50Z SecondChildTAG: Lower resolution video would be great for people outside of the OECD or people on dial-up elsewhere. The lower the better. The lowest Youtube is usually 280p, but even lower than that would be good. Lot's people have 50K-100K connections at best. One trick is you can start a video and then click thee PAUSE button and then go do something else online while it loads. Then come back after 15 minutes and watch it without the latency issues. Otherwise you can download REAL PLAYER and it has the ability to download Youtube videos. Cut and paste the URL of the video and viola! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1377257 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GlobalWellBeing SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T03:54:35Z SecondChildTAG: I don't know what's so bad about the edX platform. So far I'm liking it very much. Is clean and functional. Nothing close to this in matter of online education here in Brazil. Although it is a bit heavy for my CPU too, I'm adopting prof. Nagy's philosophy of "slow reading" hahaha cheers! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1143842 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RBarros SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T02:49:44Z SecondChildTAG: I'm puzzled about the videos - where are they? There hasn't been any reference to lectures in recent discussion about availability of courseware, only to readings. Will there be video lectures? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1340828 SecondChildUserNameTAG: margaret373 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T11:20:30Z SecondChildTAG: One student has written she has alraday downloaded them, so they must be somewhere! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:31:26Z SecondChildTAG: I've already watched the videos. Click **Courseware** and then pick one of the sections on the left: **Introduction to 'The Ancient Greek Hero'**, **Readings and Dialogues** or **Hour 0 Focus Passages**. There are several videos in each section (2 or 3). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1342894 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EleftheriosTserkezis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T13:01:37Z SecondChildTAG: I'm finding the site working well, but then I do have DSL, which isn't all that fast but is much better than dial-up. One thing I discovered by accident, and maybe edx can do a bit better job of explaining this (unless I just missed it) is that for the videos that Eleftherios noted are under the Courseware tab, there is a bar across the top which you need to move along to get to the further videos under the single description in the left (blue) panel. So when you go to Courseware and click on Reading for Hour 0, you get the video, but also along the top is a bar with little film clips, and you need to click on each clip to see all the parts of the videos. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 920574 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Christopher-98250 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T02:29:49Z SecondChildTAG: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I had only watched the first in each description! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1040676 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SunnyBonanza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T13:47:52Z FirstChildTAG: I use only Firefox Add-On "**Flash-Got**" which download videos in .flv format. It's very easy to use and files are much compressed compared to other video formats. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 392391 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EZ FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T18:13:46Z FirstChildTAG: Will the videos/Audio of Hour 1 be available for download too ? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1058233 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ghenning FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T08:36:31Z SecondChildTAG: Same question here. Also, will there be handouts for each hour of the course. There used to be yesterday, but can't seem to find them now on the Course Info page. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1332847 SecondChildUserNameTAG: perino80 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T17:36:36Z FirstChildTAG: Today the videos in Hour 1 were not working properly, if you didn’t download them. At a certain point the video stopped and turned to the beginning so you couldn’t watch it until the end. So, the question is whether it is better to download each video than watching it online. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1359804 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mcarab FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T22:10:29Z FirstChildTAG: The eBook version Of H24H is very useful. Thank you. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1128876 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Myrmidon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T12:10:25Z FirstChildTAG: The only audio from Hour 2 that I was able to download to my ipod was the introduction. I get an error page on every other audio. Help?! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962631 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lavraka FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T16:31:06Z FirstChildTAG: It would be great if the edX platform were to offer a way to download the whole set of videos and other content for each Hour in one click, to watch offline. It is great that we can download each video already but doing this one at a time is quite laborious. I struggle for spare time to devote to the course and I usually watch the videos while I'm travelling to/from work on the train, e.g. offline. This works very well for me (great use of the time on the train!), but each time a new set of content is released I have to find time at home to slowly click through each video one at a time and wait for the content to download. Maybe this would only help a small group of users but just a thought, would be very useful for me. Thanks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1475564 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MadPrince FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T16:27:48Z IndexTAG: 41 TitleTAG: STAFF POST: New discussion forum category We've added a new discussion forum category called "Questions about the course." When posting a question, please select that category from the drop-down menu on the left side of the "New Post" interface. That way we can sort questions from other discussions, and ensure we're prioritizing and addressing them accordingly. Thank you! UserIdTAG: 615718 UserNameTAG: jeffemanuel CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T03:52:24Z VoteTAG:10 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Got it. Thanks. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1174153 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TreeKnowlton FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T07:38:30Z SecondChildTAG: Where to find it - can u give a linK? Tnks SecondChildUserIdTAG: 204291 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dr_butoros SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T13:29:47Z SecondChildTAG: I'm using Chrome, don't know if that makes a difference but.....see "Show All Discussions" above the list of discussion posts on this page at left? Click that...there's a drop down window..."Questions about the course" is at the bottom of that window. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1174153 SecondChildUserNameTAG: TreeKnowlton SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T17:17:00Z SecondChildTAG: In Mozilla you have it in the same place or just under "Show All Discussions". SecondChildUserIdTAG: 966098 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vickicki SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T17:08:26Z SecondChildTAG: In Internet Explorer much the same. If you click on the New Post button on the right, you will get a grey / white posting window. On its left side, there is "Create new post about:" Here you may choose category. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T17:26:08Z IndexTAG: 42 TitleTAG: philology To Prof. Nagy, I wonder how we can apply the art of the "fingers" if instead of turning pages of book, we are clicking the mouse and typing on the keyboard or tapping on the tablet UserIdTAG: 408651 UserNameTAG: Drdanilofuna CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T06:22:57Z VoteTAG:9 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 10 FirstChildTAG: Drdanilofuna, thanks for this beautiful question! Can I reformulate this? What if the idea is not to connect to a physical book but to concepts and meanings and ideas? In that case, how can we understand the metaphor of the reader as a goldsmith working with "delicate fingers" and "eyes"? Why does Prof. Nagy point us towards the fact that "fingers" come before "eyes" in the original German? What are we being encouraged to do? Finally, how can we use the technology you point us towards (computers, iPads, etc.) to achieve these reading goals? Best, Claudia PS Please feel free to reformulate the question right back!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T16:41:47Z SecondChildTAG: on reading prof Nagy, he says he has reverted to the origional German instead because th eEnglish translation said eyes first then fingers. Although we use our eyes, we do use our fingers first to hold the book, turn the pages. Read prof nag,s introduction and see for yourself SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1143026 SecondChildUserNameTAG: maiziebanner SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T23:52:46Z SecondChildTAG: Thinking about following the story more closely by my sense of touch, I look forward to slowing down in reading, for example, many passages of the Illiad that I was impatient with before. I will be more empathetic, hear the sounds, feel the physical atmosphere of the places, and will more wholeheartedly identify with the people in the story. Is that part of what the 'fingers' reference is pointing to? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1000464 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Janice02 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T09:44:56Z SecondChildTAG: Connecting with the Heros in this manner is very active and mentally kinetic in a way.For instance, delicate mental fingers touching the atmosphere created in these poetic and lovely works. This is going to be an amazing adventure. I felt a bit of trepidation beginning this class. But to be honest. After listening to the lectures on slow reading and connecting with you all. I am getting more enthusiastic! I feel this is going to be an awesome and beautiful experience. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 263446 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Riverdaughter SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T10:41:20Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Claudia Fillos and fellow participants, My approach in the concern above is first of all thankfull to technology!!! Nowadays, there is a spectacular way of communication around the world between teacher(Professor Nagy) and all the students in level one, students all over the world and their teacher(Professor Nagy) in level two and comunication between classmates around the world in level three...this is an amazing thing!!! Communication, analysis, elaboration on philosophy, ideas!!! Homer would be proud of us and the Ancient Greek Heroes as well!!! Greetings from Greece Evangelia Ntalossi Educator FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T21:42:04Z SecondChildTAG: One thing to be aware of is that Ancient Greek history spans an immense period 2000 or 3000 BCE to 200 BCE or so (extremely roughly) and therefore we are talking about a wide variety of values and approaches to life. Although Hellenstic Greeks like Socrates might approve of the dialogical and dialectical nature of wireless tech based communication, Homer and the "heroes" of yore were much more based on the direct perceptions of the five senses- Homer's epics were meant to be performed live in front of the people so as to better hear one's voice, feel the vibrations of thunderous intonation, smell the meal and burning torches, taste the wine and meal, look into the eyes of our fellow citizens as we share this religious-literary-political event now known as the Iliad or the Odyssey. In other words, the disembodied text of our technology today may not necessarily be approved of by Homer and the "heroes" of his epic narratives since they preclude the very things meant to bind us together in this experience...sensual contact as a polis or community. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280572 SecondChildUserNameTAG: will72 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:44:09Z SecondChildTAG: Brilliant and goose bump giving analysis. Much to reflect on. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T16:31:00Z SecondChildTAG: Perhaps even the turning of a page is based on the experience you wish to have? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1311020 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LenaMaude SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T21:36:14Z SecondChildTAG: Will72, thank you for your great analysis and reflection. In fact, it is inevitable: the 'polis' nowadays is much larger, and gradually begins to embrace the whole world! However, what we could learn from the "homeric" worldview is that merely connecting to other people online is not sufficient, we have to establish a true communication relation, to share our moments, our feelings, worldviews and culture. And the internet don't provide a propitious environment for this (commonly), our online relationships tend to be shallow. So we have to go beyond what is given and reconstruct it, against the tendencies that we see today, making real conections between people. Withal, we can learn to unplug our lives more often and appreciate the more immediate moments of existential experience with people, because that is the truest form of blending our lives with others. Cheers! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1143842 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RBarros SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T03:13:51Z SecondChildTAG: I would like to say that I have been so very heartened just by the kinds of thoughtful and searching comments I am seeing posted in reference to this course. Looking at the angry, raucous and uncivil arguments I have seen going on in some other websites is always so disheartening. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1000464 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Janice02 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T10:13:18Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you TBarros. So true. the internet is like swimming in the shallows of a vast sea. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1426706 SecondChildUserNameTAG: blazingcontent SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T21:41:04Z FirstChildTAG: Drdanilofuna. Claudia and all, How about this? Prof. Nagy uses Nietzsche's fingers and eyes of the goldsmith metaphor to emphasize the need for precision, delicate work, the production of high quality jewellery a metaphor for equal precision in the transmission and acquisition of ideas. In rhetorical terms, this is an emphasis on quality in the pathos (all things that affect the audience - i.e. us, but most importantly, the way the audience receive the *ideas* transmitted through the speaker's logos). I do not see that this changes, whether we place the text on a wax tablet, papyrus, printed paper, or an iPad screen. The need for close reading stands. Perhaps, though, we need to be more careful when we place literature on screen. There is a great temptation to treat it as we treat so much else on screen, skim it and move on; this, clearly, we must resist. One thing occurs to me beyond this, though. Is it fair that we should only read these as written text? Homer, and very likely almost all ancient Greek literature, must have been intended to be sung, or at least recited. A few of our texts are already on line in audio versions (Butler's Homer at Librivox.org for instance), but much of it is probably not, and presumably none of it in Pr. Nagy's versions. Would it be a good idea if we were to augment the written texts (fingers and eyes) with audio versions (ears too)? Readings in English would admittedly be a thin substitute for the full ancient Greek "son et lumiere" experience, but better than just print, perhaps. If so, and if others are interested in making recordings once we get our sourcebooks, I would be prepared to do a few myself, and donate a good deal of space on Box.com to store audio files. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T07:54:20Z SecondChildTAG: Interesting. My question is: do we have any clue about how the Greek texts were sung, told or performed? I come from the theatre and agree that a play is destined to be performed more than read and only develops it's full potential after being decoded by the director and the actors: theatre is more an emotional than an intellectual experience. Though in the best of cases, a performance will reach out to all our levels of understanding. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T10:21:14Z SecondChildTAG: I believe we know a bit about performance of Homer at the Panathenaia, and we know quite a lot about Roman performance of their poetry at dinner parties and so on. In between, though I'm not offhand sure... Socrates symposia, of course, and plenty on the rhetors and public speakers. Quite a lot of poetry is by way of hymns, and hymns must be sung. Thus Sappho "Up with the roof, Hymenaios" - a wedding song. Try reading it privately, and it makes no sense. Tragedy and comedy obviously must also be performed. I have a nasty feeling the right place to look for references for this issue is an author by the name of Nagy... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T10:44:12Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks! :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T14:03:44Z SecondChildTAG: dcaillat, there are spurious original sources and quite many research papers and books about ancient greek music, in general: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/grmu/hd_grmu.htm and http://www.oeaw.ac.at/kal/agm/index.htm , of course West http://books.google.hu/books?id=So-Qpz6WDS4C&printsec=frontcover , in theatre e.g. the Vienna Papyrus G 2315 : http://www.wdl.org/en/item/4309/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQJxDhuFiBU (cannot guarantee the enjoyment of this) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T14:09:34Z SecondChildTAG: Great! Thanks Justagirl. Cheers, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T16:47:26Z SecondChildTAG: You are welcome. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T19:38:00Z SecondChildTAG: Double thanks, justagirl. Always good to have more bg. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T15:35:20Z SecondChildTAG: PS All material quite engaging. Especially the YT, although I wish the images files were sharper. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T15:58:11Z FirstChildTAG: I'm overwhelmed by the highly intellectual response of this group. I'm looking forward to more in-depth cerebral intercourse with all of you. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 408651 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Drdanilofuna FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T06:46:18Z FirstChildTAG: If we are reading to become civilized, and the means to achieving that end is analogous to the gold smith's use of fingers and eyes, then what are we crafting but our own mind? In philosophical references to gold smiths, it is usually in contrast to iron smiths, and the relative size of their hammers. The gold smith's hammer is a very small and fine hammer that requires the patience of many careful strikes to complete the fine detailed works. Whereas the black smith's hammer is huge and the job can often be done quickly with one swift blow! In the work at hand of becoming civilized by refining or smoothing out the roughness of our minds and turning it into a masterpiece that we and others can relish, like a fine piece of golden jewelry, we need to be patient, go slow, pay attention to the details, examine everything, and do a really good job because we are working with the most precious metal that should not be hastily and forcibly handled, wasted or lost. We only have one mind, which is irreplaceable. Those hammer strokes are each and every word, carefully crafted to reform the minds of men. To the degree we make contact with those words, the hammer contacts the golden metal, and we become formed, reformed or conditioned by this process of slow reading into beautiful golden minds. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1377257 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GlobalWellBeing FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T03:25:03Z SecondChildTAG: As a mother, I have but one chance to help my children develop beautiful golden minds and also a beautiful golden character. No matter how well read and refined one is in matters of taste, values and judgment- if it does not translate into a strong character in the real world, when interacting with others- an ability to be brave, to be compassionate , to hold one's ground against adversity-it would not be a beautiful society. So the question that comes to mind is, if every child / person in the world were exposed to reading that helped them gain golden minds- would they be able to have a golden character- would they be able to form a golden society? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 942555 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AyeshaKohli SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T02:39:12Z SecondChildTAG: I believe so, and there are documented histories of those periods. Reread your Ramayana. But even in such eras, there were demons and demoniac communities like Ravana's Lanka (although still HIGHLY cultured by today's standard). Advanced human culture on a societal level seems to happen in eras, and even within eras, in "pockets", at least historically. The 21st Century, on comparison, is not a particularly elevated era, more iron than gold, but pockets of gold are to be found if we look. A small quantity of gold is worth more than a block of iron. We have an amazing opportunity to take the greatest ideas global with the Internet and Google translator. I am involved in a project along these lines. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1377257 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GlobalWellBeing SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T20:41:02Z SecondChildTAG: Beautifully worded and insightful post GlobalWellBeing! Thank you, I agree with you wholeheartedly and would like to also point to the emphasis Nietzsche places on the importance of cultivating the art of slow reading in "the midst of an age of work... of hurry of indecent & perspiring haste which wants to get everything done at once..." I do believe in the power of the internet to connect us, however I also feel that I (we?) have become accustomed to bytes of information, news in 160 characters or less, etc. I sometimes find it challenging to resist this flow of instant information and to truly sit in the kind of stillness & slowness required for deeper, more artful reading. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 311069 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tinnaflor SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T21:22:56Z SecondChildTAG: The understanding of tactility operates on a secondary level here in the psychological realm, I believe. To slow time down, as it were, to hear, to see, to touch the words (or the keyboard, screen etc) becomes a way to form connection with this particular time and place. We can watch the video to understand Prof Nagy, to understand the technology that opens the door to increased access and scholarship and so on. In consequence of the readings, we are asked to ponder, to let the thread lead us in a new way of discovery by the method of deliberate digestion of the words. Lento, slowly, is not something we address in our lives generally, granted, but this is the challenge put forward by the coursework. We are asked to read a particular translation and try to step close to the space of the Illiad in Homer's time, if I understand this correctly. The purpose of questioning the meaning of the words, a particular order and understanding of them will be the goal. To enjoy our reaction and response is part of the process. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T16:24:55Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Student Colleagues, In my view the issue is about instant gratification, a feeling that we "need to have it now" in this context meaning understanding. From such a perspective the deeper meaning of a text may well be obscured since we grasp things, ideas, concepts, superficially and move on. This concurs with opinion expressed above, however, to achieve deep understanding requires time and effort which can be juxtaposed with the current "instant gratification" schema. Nothing that is worth having comes without effort. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1115702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JohnDakin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T09:30:05Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Fellow Seekers, I am delighted and also somewhat humbled by the high level of intellectual analysis and insight that is being so well expressed by you. I am clearly in the presence of 'giants' and must take care not to be trodden into the ground! May I share a thought of mine that is perhaps simplistic, yet I believe may help some of us to become better slow readers, to become more aware of the richness of context and form of the words we shall be reading, to absorb the essence of what was written so long ago. It is this, become Mindful. Before starting studying and reading, escape the thoughts and issues that surround you, that impinge upon your consciousness and produce mind barriers that obscure what you are reading simply by their intrusive presence. There is a way to achieve this relatively easily through the practice of Mindfulness and there are many web sites where you can learn about this superbly helpful technique. This is not a bad place to start...http://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/mindfulness.htm We are all about to start a great journey together into the past and the present. This is a gift, perhaps from the Greek Gods themselves! Let us all commit to forming a solid bridge between ourselves and also to the Greeks of old. Truly, this could be life changing for may of us. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1383321 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sunriseaura FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T18:09:24Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, I want to empty my mind to embark in this journey. Oraguil52 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1061478 SecondChildUserNameTAG: oraguil52 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T10:50:46Z FirstChildTAG: There's another great discussion going on under the heading "Strangeness and Lento" with some more wonderful insights and perspectives into the topic, for anyone who's interested! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 311069 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tinnaflor FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T00:28:29Z SecondChildTAG: The delicate fingers are metaphors of thought process, of delicate perception and refined inference. The fingers are the metonyms that actually allow us to contact with these metaphors in the poem - for we can approach no intellectual situation without some profound or initial metonymy. The art of close reading focusses upon the repetition of a metaphor. the fullness of its extent within the poem, so that we can infer more completely, being aware of more data or information, as to how the metaphor connects 'within' the text. That inner tissue of the poem is our work; the work is not within the substance of our own thinking. Metaphor > Repetition > Inference ... We must learn from or out of the poem: we receive, delicately and carefully. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T12:49:17Z SecondChildTAG: One could say that close reading requires respect and humility... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T07:32:26Z SecondChildTAG: I agree about metonymy. any thoughts on how Homeric operates as compared with say anglo-saxon or Norse. not a topic that needs picking up right now of course. just askin' SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T03:17:49Z FirstChildTAG: great dicussion! I really enjoy all of yours comments FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1087507 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nodee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T04:07:09Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Friends, I think that Prof. Nagy's interpretation of the tasks we have ahead as students (in general) and the motive from which he starts the journey (in particular), is simply brilliant. The Nietzsche-fragment is a mine of gold. I think the chiasmus between fingers-eyes and eyes-fingers, or this metaphor, is a thing to which we should apply the slow reading method. Before any kind of grasping, before any kind of a finger-experience, there is the eye-experience. In this sens the development of Plato's concept of IDEA is not accidental. So at first we grasp with our eyes, whatever we are grasping. The fingers instead, they are just accomplishing the eye's intention. Again, in this sens the fingers could be just other "eyes"... I hope I'm not to philosophical. Maybe the first translation of Nietzsche's fragment is not something to be ignored. On the other hand, Prof. Nagy's interpretation is more subtle because he's accent falls on the "idea" of grasping. So, in what sense could we say that fingers are prior to the eyes, whereas "fingers" and "eyes" are trying to grasp ideas...? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893048 FirstChildUserNameTAG: porfyrus FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T00:56:20Z SecondChildTAG: In other words, we approach such texts with all our senses: it is a visual, auditive, emotional, as well as intellectual experience and process. And at all times, we have to refrain from rushing to conclusions. Meditation comes to mind: slow, focussed, receptive, fully concentrated and committed. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T07:36:23Z SecondChildTAG: The points you made about the usefulness of eye/finger metaphors plus hearing,are quite insightful.This reminds me of a commentator who says that our senses do not work optimally at the extremes. Our eyes focus better when objects are neither too near nor too far. Also extreme temperature affects the sense of touch. May I conjecture then, that by using "gentle fingers and eyes " I have avoided the extremes, and is therefore using them optimally. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374902 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 1stname SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T02:26:36Z IndexTAG: 43 TitleTAG: A few questions Before we get started, I had a few questions for the staff. 1. What is the anticipated schedule? I know there are 24 "hours" in the course, but how will they be allocated? Two or three a week? So many days for each? How frequently will the lectures for each hour be posted? In general, how should we expect this to work? 2. The source material will have all the translations for the works involved, but is it preferred that we read those specific translations, or is it just as good to read other translations? I expect that some of the older students may have the same preference I have for reading extensive materials (like Homer) out of "real books" rather than off a computer screen. Will we lose anything by reading, say, the Lattimore translations of Homer rather than the Butler translations that seem to be the ones in the source materials? 3. Will there be a way to follow specific posters? With 1,000 people in the cohort, there may be more discussion posts than some people may have time to follow. But one may find some posters whose writing they really want to keep track of. Will there be a way to follow specific posters and read all their post without having to work through every discussion post to find their contributions? Thanks for considering these questions, and I look forward to the course! UserIdTAG: 920574 UserNameTAG: Christopher-98250 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T22:09:05Z VoteTAG:9 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Good questions. I wonder about all these myself. May I add another one: Before the first video hour, do we need to have read the corresponding section from the h24h or do we do that after the first hour ? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: galandreas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T10:22:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Christopher, I'm not staff, but I think that I can answer #1 partially and #3 for you. I am sure that more definitive information will be made available as we get closer to "Opening Day" for the course. As far as timing goes, I believe that Professor Nagy teaches the "in-classroom" version of the course at a pace of two "Hours" per week. The course begins on Wednesday March 13, and ends on Wednesday June 26: fifteen Wednesdays spanning fourteen weeks. If there is a midterm and a final exam to meet the requirements for the certificate (that has not been announced yet -- I'm totally guessing on that), then that works out to two "Hours" per week with one week for the midterm and one week for the final. The lectures for each hour are video recorded so I'm presuming that you could skip a week and then do four "Hours" in a subsequent week, although that would be a lot of reading to do in one week. As far as following a member of your cohort whose writing you wish to follow -- it doesn't seem that the edX framework allows you to directly select people to Follow/Like/etc. However, you can Follow a topic in the Discussion Forum by clicking on the star in the upper-right corner. You can also see every discussion that a particular user has started or commented on, by clicking on their user name. So, when you see a person whom you want to follow, you Follow the discussion that interests you, and then you can click on the person to see what they have said. You can also click on a user name with your web browser's "Open Link in New Tab" or "Open Link in New Window" gesture, and then bookmark the page for that user. Then just refresh the page to see what they have written since your last visit. Yes, either way is a "kludge" and hopefully the edX architects are reading our posts to get ideas for the next iteration of the framework, but there you are. _rob_ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 902982 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ferthalangur FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T21:01:29Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Rob! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 869468 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CFArnold SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:18:56Z SecondChildTAG: Guys, May be my question is funny but still- how can I find my Cohort? :) Thanks SecondChildUserIdTAG: 204291 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dr_butoros SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T10:21:56Z SecondChildTAG: Go to the topics and filter topics by "Get to Know Your Cohort".. Theese topics are only visible to people in your cohort! That's all I know..! ;) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1143842 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RBarros SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T03:20:29Z FirstChildTAG: Personally I'm trying not to overthink it or be overwhelmed. I'm going to try and take each segment one at a time. I have a tendency to over analyse and give in to a self-defeating mindset. That said, I am also very curious as to how this will all be set out. But for now I am going to try and just... swim with the current. I do like the idea of tagging people and being able to follow their posts as opposed to just topics. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228228 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Scarletting FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T16:21:47Z FirstChildTAG: Hi all, These are great questions! 1) The week the course launches, only first hour will be released on Wed. 3/13. After that, we'll be releasing two hours per week (Monday and Wednesday or Thursday). 2) It is very important that students read the translations in the Sourcebook because these translations have been specially prepared for the course by having key words of transliterated Greek inserted, so that we can all track words and themes together. Moreover, Prof. Nagy has painstakingly retranslated 250 of the most crucial passages, and a great deal of our discussion together will involve slow readings of these passages. We are going to be super careful about the words so it will facilitate discussion if we are all looking at and referring to the same words. Does that make sense? 3) The development team is still working on the "follow" feature. In the meantime, we can search by username. Thanks so much for your patience! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T17:31:26Z SecondChildTAG: Please repost on "Questions about the Course" so that more students may access this. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1373736 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DanWallaceMA SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T15:09:14Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Claudia, this is very helpful :) Best, Nancy SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1184679 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nmsellinger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T04:09:53Z FirstChildTAG: I worry that a grouping of 1000 is simply too big. I think a community of 300 - 350 would better allow us to interact with each other. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1179505 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ChrisDahl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T17:59:59Z IndexTAG: 44 TitleTAG: Course Enrollment Numbers? Would it be possible for one of the Staff to post how many people have currently enrolled for this course, and update it occasionally? I think that it would be very interesting for everyone to know. _rob_ UserIdTAG: 902982 UserNameTAG: ferthalangur CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T15:42:52Z VoteTAG:9 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Yes. I think so too. But I think there's already a facebook group for this class. So we know, though not exact, how many students are enrolled in this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1217288 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MikkiSantiago FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T16:04:10Z SecondChildTAG: someone started a FB group, and there is a Google+ group too. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1232884 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Joester SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T18:32:07Z SecondChildTAG: I saw discussion about getting a Google+ but haven't seen the link yet. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T18:50:03Z SecondChildTAG: We may be in one of the 1000-members cohorts. MOOC courses like this one can easily reach 100.000 students. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 SecondChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T18:55:39Z SecondChildTAG: yes, at the beginning MITx 6.002x had 150.000 students. About 7500 people got their certificate. There were various reasons: people didn't take the course seriously, failed the prerequisites (which here aren't), hadn't enough time that they thought they would have, and so on. There was even a half-official warning after midterm that we shouldn't get burned out (the class was too determined and masochistic). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T05:55:50Z SecondChildTAG: Hi. From one of Claudia's postings, I don't think that we are yet divided into cohorts. I also think that the enrollment numbers for this class already exceeds 15,000 ... which is not reflected by the 292 in one of the Facebook groups, 182 in the other Facebook group, and 33 in the Google+ group. I don't know how many are in the Portuguese Facebook group, or whether other linguistic/geographic groups have self-organized. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 902982 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ferthalangur SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T16:45:19Z SecondChildTAG: A lot of people, myself included, don't like Facebook, so the numbers there will only be a sub-section of all of the people enrolled. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287387 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Beth5706 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T14:59:42Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:17:17Z FirstChildTAG: Hi ferthalangur, While we can't share specific enrollment numbers at this point, I can tell you that we'll all be sharing this experience with tens of thousands of our closest friends! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T01:25:31Z IndexTAG: 45 TitleTAG: Kinda Scared Hi All. I have never even read a book or anything for that matter on Ancient Greek Heroes. The last time I read a book was in the 9th grade. That is if you don't count technical School. UserIdTAG: 951071 UserNameTAG: AlSchilde CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:01:44Z VoteTAG:9 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 19 FirstChildTAG: Don't all heroes start kinda scared? Welcome to the other side of your comfort zone :) Nice to meet you FirstChildUserIdTAG: 167778 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PapaPhoenix FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:11:28Z SecondChildTAG: amen amen amen SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:43:21Z SecondChildTAG: Do not be scared ... this Course will change your life! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:56:58Z SecondChildTAG: You're already a hero, AlSchilde! It takes courage to plunge into Greek mythology. A pleasure to be with on the voyage. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1195703 SecondChildUserNameTAG: fernandoromo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T22:40:24Z SecondChildTAG: Having just finished the readings for hours 0 and 1, I can't imagine a better guide than Prof. Nagy. He both brings to life the ancient stories and heroes but also has an amazing knack for clarification in his explanations. Read, relax, enjoy. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1207929 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RA16415504 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T04:13:32Z SecondChildTAG: Glad to know I'm not the only one. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1383333 SecondChildUserNameTAG: XuexiXuexi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T20:53:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hello I am 61 and my last studying was too many moons to count and then I was not really any good at it. I saw this by chance mentioned on BBC ( I m English )and the idea appealed to me. I too have concerns but dont worry, we will not be alone.The most important thing is to enjoy it. best wishes FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:41:45Z SecondChildTAG: It's not really studying if you enjoy it :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 972803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pathos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:36:17Z SecondChildTAG: If you enjoy studying, it will stick in your brain for ever. This is the surest way. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T06:33:18Z SecondChildTAG: Nice to see a younger person here on the board. [g] SecondChildUserIdTAG: 920574 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Christopher-98250 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:56:27Z SecondChildTAG: I'm also kinda scared. Love reading and exploring and thinking but am also a butterfly who flies off to another flower if something doesn't hold my attention. Perhaps my being 73 has something to do with this. So much to do and not much time left SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1284664 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Gerard73 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T06:43:07Z SecondChildTAG: Woo hoo! How exciting this is! PLUS, we're all going through with this course together and no doubt when tricky questions arise we will all be thinking the same questions, and can use this discussion forum to share our varying degrees of knowledge. Don't sweat - I'm only 22 so you have way more life experience! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897688 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexandraroach SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T00:38:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I'm Reuben, I'm 90 and I'm glad to be *anywhere*! I look forward eagerly to becoming reacquainted with some of my old Greek friends! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026871 FirstChildUserNameTAG: heyrube2000 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:55:19Z SecondChildTAG: What an example for soooooooooooooooooooooo many people who even if much younger, think that learning new things is just for kids. BRAVO!!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1092515 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ANTONIETA SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:27:32Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Reuben, thanks so much for enrolling! We are thrilled that you are joining us in this adventure!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:53:56Z SecondChildTAG: omg I feel so young. and I remember looking at my daughter recently like she was crazy when she reminded me i still had a lifetime of living ahead of me. I will turn 72 in March. This course is a challenge for me and a thrill if I can do it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1119230 SecondChildUserNameTAG: twitcher2 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:12:27Z SecondChildTAG: Welcome home. Your friends are here, eagerly waiting for you, knowing you from the way you turn the pages. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T06:35:40Z SecondChildTAG: The group of people taking this course is so impressive. I have now seen ages of students ranging from 10-90. AWESOME! I am so excited to learn with everyone. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T16:16:03Z SecondChildTAG: welcome Reuben, you have a great advantage - experience and wisdom, and I am sure your insights will benefit us all. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T10:33:27Z SecondChildTAG: lol @ anywhere! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1377257 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GlobalWellBeing SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T03:59:27Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Reuben! So glad to meet you! I'm only 22 - really looking forward to your insights! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897688 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexandraroach SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T00:39:58Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Reuben, Glad to be together in the course. I am sure we will have interesting discussions. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1175308 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Clemencia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T01:33:49Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Reuben! Welcome to our universal class room :) You are the most respected student of our class. Cheers! From Kathmandu SecondChildUserIdTAG: 964828 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nphuyal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T10:30:53Z FirstChildTAG: Its a natural feeling to be scared, i am a little also:) shout out from Jamaica!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 951837 FirstChildUserNameTAG: shalifa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:10:32Z SecondChildTAG: Greetings from Jamaica as well! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 952368 SecondChildUserNameTAG: olivet07 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:27:24Z FirstChildTAG: Very reassuring to see so many with the same eager/anxious feelings. Looking forward to the conversation with all of you -- and likely having my brain blown! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1126344 FirstChildUserNameTAG: unabridgedchick FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:49:08Z FirstChildTAG: There is nothing to be scared about so enjoy the experience. I am 51 and in college for paralegal studies. Hope to continue onto law. Its never to late to learn something new. Another thing is you don't have to worry about tanking your GPA so relax and enjoy the ride. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1126620 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Brian1128 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T04:47:16Z FirstChildTAG: Look up Mortimer Adler on adult learning for everybody. If you can read and write and think, you can read any classic work of literature. We are all of different cup sizes, but our cup can be filled to the brim with the milk of knowledge for our own particular cup size. Though I must say, Homer's epic poems are long. Motivation is much more important than brilliance. I'm more worried about being too busy to do this course, or conversely, spending too much time on it :) I guess I'll just do what I can, and otherwise not do so much that I don't pay the bills! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: chekov FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:45:05Z FirstChildTAG: I'm Lenny, chair of the Board of Readers for this course: we have Kinda Scared readers in mind, and we understand the courage it takes, but there are many of you, and we are mobilizing former students in this course to help you through, so hang in there. The adventurous spirit you are showing each other is inspiring us! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1241825 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lenny_Muellner FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T17:33:19Z FirstChildTAG: I'm kinda scared too! Let's join hands and freak out together... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060449 FirstChildUserNameTAG: okellyn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:21:22Z SecondChildTAG: I'd like to join you too... N there's not a single person here from India.. :-| SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1170565 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PatriciaHou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:16:34Z SecondChildTAG: I'll join the group too. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T16:14:07Z SecondChildTAG: I think we can do this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1qQ1SKNlgY SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T09:03:43Z SecondChildTAG: Hey I'm from India as well! Glad to see a fellow Indian here- finally! I'm from Delhi, what about you? I'm quite nervous as well. I've never studied online before and nothing about the Greeks before today.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1242383 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EshaLall SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T14:44:09Z SecondChildTAG: I'll join your circle of hands being held! I'm Darrell, 49, from Maine, US. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1013610 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PeaceAnt SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T21:53:14Z SecondChildTAG: Me too....i 'll join your circle. :-P SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1339438 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Raindust2013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T16:45:15Z SecondChildTAG: I'm not Greek or Indian, but these cultures have two of the greatest mythological epics from the Homerics to Ramayana. And I want to know more. Maybe there will be a class comparable about the Indian epics, because I would love to take that one as well. I read the Homerics years ago and dabbled a bit in reading the Baghavad Gita, and I'm still kinda scared. It is what it is, and what it is is overwhelming. But not if you concern yourself with the process rather than the result. I have a strong feeling that there is peace of mind to be found in this process. And so for the life of me I dare not refuse this call to adventure. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1246056 SecondChildUserNameTAG: neil923 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T03:10:47Z FirstChildTAG: This is great that you are challenging yourself and moving forward :) Im no expert at ALL so Im a little nervous too. Welcome to the course :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:30:13Z FirstChildTAG: Don't be scared, it will be very good. As I can see, the introduction into this specific world is very careful and well thought out. :) Check out the Advice for Students section! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:55:41Z FirstChildTAG: I agree, scary but feels so good to stretch! The fact that this appealed to you and you took the leap to register means you are exactly where you are supposed to be. It's all good! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 905366 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kris-W FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:52:47Z FirstChildTAG: I'm also a bit intimidated, but deep down I'm sure we can handle it! As Kris says, we are stretching... our brains are muscles and they itch to work. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228228 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Scarletting FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T16:07:10Z FirstChildTAG: giddy! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 903288 FirstChildUserNameTAG: lrjeyakaran FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T18:10:26Z FirstChildTAG: You can start by reading the epics the Iliad & Odyssey as suggested by Prof Nagy. Best of luck, maybe scary are the Greek Gods to the mortals, not the ancient heroes :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1346784 FirstChildUserNameTAG: delphiniasalamin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T14:37:51Z FirstChildTAG: It is inspiring to see such diversity in the class and all the eagerness to learn! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1316040 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kallyko FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T02:14:57Z FirstChildTAG: Glad to know I'm not the only one feeling I might be in over my head. :) We'll wade through together! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1368211 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mandie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T20:05:07Z FirstChildTAG: Be sure to check out the great interactive world map appearing under "Course Info." And may I suggest a special high-five to each individual who is the one, single fellow-learner to represent his/her country [e.g. Greenland]. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026871 FirstChildUserNameTAG: heyrube2000 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T22:16:58Z FirstChildTAG: Take the sting out of your fear, you already have a broad understanding of whatever is going on in this book if you have ever read a comic book or rooted for the guys struggling hard in any kind of story. With your own innate sense of right and wrong, you will have opinions about everything that happens. What the course will be able to teach you is to back up every opinion by finding supporting evidence in the text, and this is a skill that is vital to all kinds of study and argument. So, as long as you can read and have patience to read more than once, you're there! Have a great time with your studies, and what you will learn most about is you. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1000925 FirstChildUserNameTAG: greyladydown FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T12:20:44Z IndexTAG: 46 TitleTAG: Any people over 50? I just finished "E-Learning and the Digital Culture" MOOC presented by the U of Edinburgh and the **MOST** active group was those over 60 - which soon turned into those over 50. In the end we had at least one 27-year-old poster! MB UserIdTAG: 1315889 UserNameTAG: MBWall CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T20:34:16Z VoteTAG:8 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 53 FirstChildTAG: Hi MBWall, I'll be 72 on the 9th. Welcome. Love Homer also. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T04:02:17Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, I'm a baby boomer. I teach jr.high literature. This is my first online class. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 990478 SecondChildUserNameTAG: katieramos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T17:06:31Z SecondChildTAG: Happy Birthday Bobby ;) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1372483 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PeterKeyse SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T09:53:26Z SecondChildTAG: Hello - I was in the 60+ group of the EDCMOOC too :) - It was the best, most helpful and the politest group of all. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1359181 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LouiseTaylor SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T12:12:04Z SecondChildTAG: HAPPY bIRTH dAY BOBBY SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1388755 SecondChildUserNameTAG: asdsad84 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T21:19:06Z SecondChildTAG: Hello there! I am 52. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1229363 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JLMThompson SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T21:31:59Z SecondChildTAG: Afternoon, I'm 56 this year. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1370591 SecondChildUserNameTAG: paulok SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T23:06:30Z SecondChildTAG: Thats so cool Bobby. I turned 58 on the 5th. Happy birthday! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 263446 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Riverdaughter SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T08:41:40Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Brazil, I'm 56 this year, too!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1261705 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SandraLambais SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T11:02:52Z SecondChildTAG: Hey there 50 somethings. Welcome aboard. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T15:33:42Z SecondChildTAG: Happy birthday Bobby. I'll be 53 on April 1st. So glad to see we're not alone. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1215721 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CatherineKimberleigh SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T18:48:32Z SecondChildTAG: Im over 60, I love stories, it is my first time in online class To much to learn SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T01:12:56Z SecondChildTAG: Happy birthday Bobby - Χρόνια Πολλά !(Xronia Polla in greek) I'll be 51 in August. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1260766 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KONSTA62 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T13:36:00Z SecondChildTAG: I'll be 52 in July. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 907329 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bheca2002 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T16:35:28Z SecondChildTAG: I turned 65 last January. Love learning for it's own sake which is good as I can't remember anything long enough to pass it on. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 65058 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Handy1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T18:13:31Z SecondChildTAG: Happy Birhday, Bobby! (It's my daughter's 13th today!) Tristan SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T22:24:47Z SecondChildTAG: I am 69 and in San Diego. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1163542 SecondChildUserNameTAG: alex858974 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T15:33:28Z SecondChildTAG: 58 later this year, first endeavor into "formal" post-secondary ed ! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 903288 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lrjeyakaran SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T18:00:44Z SecondChildTAG: Hi all, 52 last October! Here's to eternal learning... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305733 SecondChildUserNameTAG: N19 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T03:21:29Z SecondChildTAG: 61, but don't spread it around. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1025713 SecondChildUserNameTAG: carotier SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T11:00:28Z SecondChildTAG: 45 but feel like 65... does that count (hahaha) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1316490 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JohnOGrady SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T11:06:45Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Bobby - Happy Birthday - I am 60 but feel 50 - if I could go back to 30 I'd love too - so much to squeeze in!!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 894820 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sioux SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T12:47:55Z SecondChildTAG: I'll 55 in April. Cheers! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1172463 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hampgal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:16:40Z SecondChildTAG: 51 here. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1273212 SecondChildUserNameTAG: olevia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T01:11:40Z SecondChildTAG: Going on 59 this July and never stop learning. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1085797 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Angkor1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T16:46:46Z SecondChildTAG: Oh, yes! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1207496 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Arleneor SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T22:22:49Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, recently hit 60. I reread Iliad, history and philosophers every now and then for seminars or Teaching Company programs, but it has been almost 40 years since reading the plays or other Greek poetry. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1097027 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Amcvay SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T11:14:06Z SecondChildTAG: I live in Israel. My husband and I have been here since 2001. I am 77 and am taking this course to extend my knowledge and to expand my horizon. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 989914 SecondChildUserNameTAG: anitaf SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T11:16:57Z SecondChildTAG: I am 52, High school teacher from Greece. This is my 2nd on line course and I find it a superb experience. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1331092 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stiliani SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T20:55:51Z SecondChildTAG: 75 on April 12 love, vjim SecondChildUserIdTAG: 938644 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vjim SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T00:30:12Z SecondChildTAG: 52 on August 1. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1165083 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ricmer SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T19:29:59Z SecondChildTAG: I'm from London in the UK this is my second MOOC this year. I'm at the mid point in my 50's and this is my fist serious attempt at getting to grips with Homeric Poetry. Best wishes to everyone. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1082516 SecondChildUserNameTAG: andyh1001 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T18:09:26Z SecondChildTAG: I'll be 50 this summer, and I want to be "civilized" by then. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1041087 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Turrean SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T02:01:46Z SecondChildTAG: I am 66 this year, but I feel like a 5-year old, wandering in confusion through these various discussion rooms. Still, I am enjoying the first reading assignment (hope I get THAT right), though it is a challenge to get through the length of it, paying good attention all the way. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1000464 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Janice02 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T14:43:55Z SecondChildTAG: I will be 69 this summer. Enjoying all so far! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1402885 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Cosmic844 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T23:26:57Z SecondChildTAG: I'm a 67 yro grandma/psychologist, happy to see I have contemporaries here. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 776654 SecondChildUserNameTAG: criscrac SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T00:39:58Z SecondChildTAG: 73 going on 74. Retired professional rodeo cowboy from Texas. I am here to keep my mind as active as possible and interact with like minded souls SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1323951 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dougcasey SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T01:36:53Z SecondChildTAG: I am 75, physician and attorney, still working and taking course to keep mind active and open to further enlightenment in the Claasics. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1097739 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Drfipena1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T04:55:43Z SecondChildTAG: I am 76 and just finished my first MOOC through the University of Edinburgh: An Introduction to Philosophy. We are just involved with Peer Marking now. I find the content in this course light years more difficult than the first. But the language and the topic and the lectures are lovely to one's eyes and ears, but too demanding maychance? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 920384 SecondChildUserNameTAG: justmary SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T23:11:53Z SecondChildTAG: Yup, I just turned 51 & had the same U of Edinburgh course as you. I found it quite enjoyable. But the course I really wanted to take had something to do with teaching e-courses from Georgia Tech and it, ironically, imploded after 1 week. It was written up in the "Chronicle of Higher Education." It started the same day as the U of Edinburgh one. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 916354 SecondChildUserNameTAG: wcoventry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T07:50:23Z SecondChildTAG: Greetings to every one from Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. I am 76. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1027226 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nazareo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T05:49:02Z SecondChildTAG: i will be 53 in May SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1083548 SecondChildUserNameTAG: papatim SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T02:38:52Z FirstChildTAG: I should think there are quite a lot of us - and I don't have all that long to wait until I fit into the over 60 category. In a way, it's an advantage. I've been reading Homer & Co. at irregular intervals for about forty years now. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T21:09:43Z FirstChildTAG: Hi MBWall We have at least one learner who has completed nine decades of life, so unless you're in that range, you're still in the Spring Chicken category here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T22:38:32Z SecondChildTAG: I turn 80 in a couple weeks. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1207929 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RA16415504 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T22:41:12Z FirstChildTAG: Just turned 65 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 908969 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bessyglass FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T16:42:22Z SecondChildTAG: Me, too. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 924844 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Gorgon45 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T20:23:25Z FirstChildTAG: I'm 73 already. I am moving to a new apartment at the other end Japan so I will be relatively inactive until we get settled. Looking forward to learning with the rest of the heroes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 90781 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SendaiYankee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T05:17:15Z FirstChildTAG: I'm over 60 (on the outside...). Perhaps we should ask to be put in a cohort named for Nestor? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T06:52:21Z SecondChildTAG: Clever! I like it! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 615718 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T21:46:23Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, very amusing. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1085797 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Angkor1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T16:47:22Z SecondChildTAG: I RECENTLY TURNED 55, AND I THINK THAT YOUR IDEA IS REALLY BRILLIANT - BUT I'M SURE YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF YOUR SENSE OF HUMOUR! ALL THE BEST FROM ATHENS GREECE SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1235755 SecondChildUserNameTAG: alikikapa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T12:22:24Z SecondChildTAG: Good idea :) I'm 65, from Cuero,Texas SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1378379 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T20:10:02Z FirstChildTAG: Coming up on 60 ... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1375990 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JoeyR FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T20:00:15Z SecondChildTAG: Me too, 59 in May SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1146672 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MontanaMaryH SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T08:32:00Z FirstChildTAG: I'm 26, but if you reverse it, then I fall into your category: 62! ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1304186 FirstChildUserNameTAG: akarafou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T00:03:01Z SecondChildTAG: :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1369419 SecondChildUserNameTAG: astarde SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T00:11:25Z FirstChildTAG: Hi MB, I am 52 Never give up John Tz FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1313896 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tzoumerkas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T08:13:16Z SecondChildTAG: 52 going on 25... :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 949308 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CSMBSMU SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T23:09:01Z FirstChildTAG: I'm there, over 60 that is, as one correspondent says, on the outside....looking forward to this as have a PhD but no real knowledge of Ancient Greece, something I'm about to rectify... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342457 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kathygpilgrim FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:26:06Z FirstChildTAG: 62 in Minneapolis and can't wait to expand my knowledge. I also have a PhD but most of my work was in math, so now that I can do what I WANT to do, I am looking forward to expanding my exposure in the Humanities. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281490 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MN_Learner FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:39:23Z SecondChildTAG: hey i am from st paul. i am only 58 but my health makes me 85. the brain how ever will be 38 forever. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T02:44:13Z FirstChildTAG: I turned 65 few days ago. I thought it's a good age to restart studing. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305880 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gemou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T23:05:05Z FirstChildTAG: Hi MB. I'm over 50 and just finished the EDC MOOC as well! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1343860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NancyA FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:05:20Z FirstChildTAG: I'm Bailish, and I'm over 50, but unless we're including a dating service (don't tell my wife!!!) I don't see much reason for limiting the group by age. I've taken several MOOCs so far (I'm currently enrolled in six!!), and I've found comments from high school students can be just as poignant as those from someone with decades of life behind him/her. Different age groups have unique perspectives, and we shouldn't give the impression that some opinions are inferior based on the people giving them. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 264631 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Bailish FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T03:14:06Z SecondChildTAG: My experience with a prior Kaplan class that required teamwork was not good, I believe due to the vast discrepancy in the fund of general knowledge between me and the folks on my team who were in their 20s. Concepts and historical references were lost on most of them, and I had lots of 'splanin' to do when they were in the mood to listen. It was difficult to avoid doing the lion's share of the work for the team v. sharing it more or less equally. I'm not sour on age mixing, however, just wanting not to repeat that experience. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 957770 SecondChildUserNameTAG: suz46 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T03:47:01Z SecondChildTAG: Dear suz46, I see your point for group work but as we're online we are using a medium that allows those with knowledge/insight/wisdom to gather together and discuss and the learners to look and learn. We are all at different levels of ability but held together by the love of learning. I must echo Bailish and say that some of the deepest insights I have come across have been from younger persons. I am 62 today and will never stop learning. All subjects inspire me. Smiles, June from Australia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T11:38:10Z FirstChildTAG: 64 this year and retraining at Birkbeck College, London. Love these MOOCs. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1372483 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PeterKeyse FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T10:00:57Z SecondChildTAG: Good for you,I will be 62 in September. I have done a course at Coursera and am also looking into ULondon online. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1374902 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 1stname SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T04:03:47Z SecondChildTAG: What are you retraining to do, Peter? Just curious (I'm nearly 59). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1085797 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Angkor1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T16:48:43Z FirstChildTAG: I'm 70 next year, but that's only in body!! In mind, I've never grown up. I mean, how old would **you all** be, if you didn't know how old you were? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Athene FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T10:33:28Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Athene. I'm 66 now and of course I've never felt that old...I figure I'm probably at my favorite past age...I'm about 25 in that case. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 957770 SecondChildUserNameTAG: suz46 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T03:41:59Z SecondChildTAG: :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1309679 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nora123 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T18:06:58Z SecondChildTAG: Emotionally I'm 20 & still in the Air Force. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1215721 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CatherineKimberleigh SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T18:54:35Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, I've been about eighteen for the last half-century. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1396285 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Phorcys SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T14:08:46Z FirstChildTAG: 61 this year and it is good to hear from everyone in my group around my age. I got my Bachelor's 13 years ago and was always the oldest in my classes. This will be a nice change. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 977395 FirstChildUserNameTAG: katep52 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T14:33:38Z FirstChildTAG: Hi my name is Kaoru and I turned 68 at the end of January. In 2 more years I will hit the landmark 70...sobering thought... I am looking forward to getting the necessary stimulation for my old brain so that it will stay active. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T18:30:18Z SecondChildTAG: From one who knows, you will feel pretty much the same on the day after you turn 70 as you did the last day of your sixties. Might as well enjoy it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 909517 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mslater SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T04:29:06Z FirstChildTAG: I'm 51! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1316040 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kallyko FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T01:33:05Z FirstChildTAG: Hi. So comfortable knowing there are lots of us out here. I am 64. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1023668 FirstChildUserNameTAG: lindaaddis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T02:47:44Z FirstChildTAG: I am 64 and so enjoying retirement in Portland Oregon. Any other Ducks in the group? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1343306 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Joannaroo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T08:05:14Z FirstChildTAG: I am 60, new to edx, and hope that this form of study will serve to keep the "little gray cells" active. Looking forward to the challenge. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1295447 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JESKE1953 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T10:02:21Z FirstChildTAG: Hello - I'm 58 and look forward to expanding my horizons. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1346714 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HBean FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T17:00:21Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, MBWall, everybody. I'm forty nine years old and I used to say that I'm justing going into the fifty's. My birthday was at february, 22. The half eage's crise!!! Let's rock, here!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1231052 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GilsonDobbin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T14:11:42Z FirstChildTAG: 55 in a few weeks and not out. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1393930 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aylesford FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T15:22:53Z FirstChildTAG: Born 1951 and looking forward to growing up. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1107954 FirstChildUserNameTAG: WaylandSmith FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T23:29:12Z SecondChildTAG: "Growing old is inevitable: growing up is optional". Can't remember where I heard that - memory must be failing! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1396285 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Phorcys SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T09:20:42Z FirstChildTAG: I am 30 with 27 years experience....will be 30 with 38 years experience later this year! I am living in Oklahoma right now and I love that I can continue learning from some of the best professors in the best universities. I feel that giving my brain a workout keeps me young! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 664881 FirstChildUserNameTAG: OKSue FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T22:29:27Z FirstChildTAG: I turned 50 this past August, as most of you know 50 is the new 30. I believe that good healthcare, well as good nutrition has helped turned back time for our generation. Funny thing is I enjoy being with younger students, but I found that due to their lack of life experience can actually be a detrimate, which by most people comes with living. Thus, it is the older student who spoons feed the younger student. This is not to say that the young are not able to truly appreciate the true love of knowledge and the wonder of the written word. However, as an older student, personally I feel going back to school is appreciated far more by our generation. Time ticks away so fast, so we are more determined to learn. However, this has been my experience with college since I returned 18 month ago. Please do not take this the wrong way, I just believe the biological instincts of the young is in hyper drive, instead of settling in to wonder the beauty of nature and the gifts given to us by our ancestors. I understand we will be broken up into groups. I truly would like to see how a older group of students can do to add to the knowledge base. Lastly, our common experience of just living on this planet a little longer should bring terrific insights. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 847257 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pegma32 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T23:49:12Z FirstChildTAG: There are times when I like Jack Benny's look on age, in other words I'll be 39 again this year. Of course the math doesn't quite work out having been born in 1954... Returning to college is something I have done repeatedly in some way shape or form. Mainly because I love to learn. I am looking forward to this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 502026 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dougdavies FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T00:08:24Z SecondChildTAG: It depends on what numerical base you are using. If you are using base 10, the most common for humans, then it is 59 years since 1954. In binary, most commonly used by compters, it is even worse - 111,011. But if you choose the unusual but perfectly valid base of 19 then you can be 21 again! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1396285 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Phorcys SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T09:35:40Z SecondChildTAG: Are you a mathematician or computer scientist? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1215721 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CatherineKimberleigh SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T15:00:18Z SecondChildTAG: A sad computer geek of long standing. I dealt with binary, octal and hex for many years. But, hey, it's helped me to stay 21 for ages! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1396285 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Phorcys SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T15:08:30Z SecondChildTAG: love it! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T11:41:34Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from freezing Ireland. It is 0 degrees with a wind that would cut you. There must be many places out there where 0 degrees would be positively balmy. We are just not used to it. It was snowing this morning. Oddly enough, this time last year we were in the midst of a heatwave or at least an Irish heatwave! Anyway I am 57 years old but I still feel like I am 26 despite the greying hair, wrinkles and arthritic aches. My sister recently emailed me a poem called The Mirror by Edmund Burke. I suggest Googling it when you have the time - every so often I catch sight of myself in the mirror when I am off guard and I have the same thoughts as in the poem. I am sure I am not alone in that! It is somehow reassuring to know that over 200 years ago people had similar thoughts and feelings to us about age - what do you think? Love Greece and everything about it. I am really looking forward to learning all I can and hopefully enough to join in some of the discussions. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1295818 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Setanta9 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T00:21:14Z SecondChildTAG: I am writing about the cro-magnon and, guess what? They thought just like us too! Life is so amazing. Smile, June SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T11:43:53Z FirstChildTAG: Well let me tell you this is a great group to be in. I am 55 years old. Imagine if a good number of us could get together in the same room and listen to the lectures. It would be a great! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1054918 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JR1957 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T00:23:27Z SecondChildTAG: I'm glad, JR1957, that you would like to be in the same room with the lecturer, listening. This form of communication with others in the group is wonderful, though. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1348068 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kathdawson SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T03:43:11Z SecondChildTAG: HELLO FROM ATHENS, GREECE - WE WERE BORN ON THE SAME YEAR ! I HOPE WE ALL CONTINUE ENJOYING ALL ASPECTS OF THIS EXPERIENCE SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1235755 SecondChildUserNameTAG: alikikapa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T13:55:00Z FirstChildTAG: Good to meet everyone. In my 60's and love to read. The Iliad has always been a favorite of mine. This should be an interesting course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240573 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Pezk FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:12:06Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I am 74, an economist, German and trying to catch up with the things I missed before. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 999310 FirstChildUserNameTAG: robincat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T18:13:42Z FirstChildTAG: I will be 82 in August and look forward to following most of this course from my summer home in Ireland. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1137139 FirstChildUserNameTAG: cbsaalbach FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T18:41:34Z SecondChildTAG: you inspire envy... the best kind, of course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T04:27:49Z SecondChildTAG: Oh, 82! congratulations and all the very best of life to you. I hope our 90 year old writes in, Smiles, June SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T11:45:11Z FirstChildTAG: I'll be 75 on April 20th (Hitler's birthday, for those of you who are old enough to remember who Hitler was), and I am far more interested in learning today than I was when I got my BA (Journalism, U of Nevada) in 1961 and my MA (Government, U of Oklahoma) in 1963. Then it was for a career, today it is for the sheer love of learning. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1284307 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraMarcus38 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T02:11:52Z SecondChildTAG: What joy! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T11:45:36Z FirstChildTAG: Very life affirming all these responses. I am also someone who views turning 21 in the long lost past. With the commencement of the course I took my pristine copies of The Iliad and Odyssey that had been gathering dust for many years off the shelf and started to read. It was then I felt my age. Why? Well the words for example rage, souls and carrion are not in the translation of Prof Nagy et al. He has used anger, lives and prizes, words that are more evocative for the young. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 968493 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Antea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T05:26:06Z FirstChildTAG: I think that I have beaten you all as far as age is concerned. I am 79, a retired farmer from the UK whose has always had an interest in the myths and ledgens of Greece and Rome, but never had the time to study them in any depth until now. Perhaps we will find someone even older before the course is over! itsglenallan@hotmail.com FirstChildUserIdTAG: 980034 FirstChildUserNameTAG: glenn201 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T11:29:54Z SecondChildTAG: OK, you are two years older than me, but there is someone on the course reputed to be in his nineties. although i spent my working life in London, I was happy to retire to France, and even luckier to be here in Mougins. I heard about edX from one of my friends - a former academic who followed one of the computer courses, and who i look to as a mentor on my imac - but the retirement community here is utterly unlike anything I would find in the UK - a mix of lawyers, bankers, academics, doctors and researcher, senior civil servants[ mostly international] with violent arguments about the EU [and UK's place in it] global warming, and the present economic and financial crisis. the only thing that we all agree on is that our generation has had the best of it - LOL. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1227249 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nick589 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T14:54:17Z SecondChildTAG: And cbsaalbach, who posted three posts back from here is currently 81. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1396285 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Phorcys SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T23:26:44Z FirstChildTAG: Good evening. I am 59 years old and I will do my best to succeed on this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294547 FirstChildUserNameTAG: olvos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T17:49:26Z FirstChildTAG: hi i'm tracey i will be 50 in september so im cheering for us oldies FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1143026 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maiziebanner FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T21:45:06Z FirstChildTAG: Over 60 and enjoying every minute of life and this course. Confined to my bed mostly due to chronic fatigue and chemical sensitivities I see my room as a cave, my home a mountain, and the vast and changing sky out my window as the great sea. Ah, imagination, the greatest gift of all. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1396705 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DrYiaYia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T02:24:13Z SecondChildTAG: so true . . . SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T11:47:36Z FirstChildTAG: 67, retired software executive turned botanical illustrator. I love Greece, literature, MOOCs and more. As my 97 year old mother says "It ain't over til it's over"! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 903683 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Paulette2 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T20:49:16Z FirstChildTAG: I'm 61, and am now semi-retired and living in Exeter, UK. I cannot hide my unadulterated love for continued learning. It makes me feel half my age! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 303126 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PeterCS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T14:14:22Z FirstChildTAG: You can imagine, I am 65, but it seems to me I am 35. Any student older then 65? Sorry for my English, sometimes I am wrong, my mothertongue is Italian. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1325301 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Italiangentleman FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T01:22:42Z FirstChildTAG: At 55 it is distressingly clear to me that a large cohort of folks are taking this and similar courses (the recent U Penn Mythology MOOC, for instance) in a spirit of trying to revive real content in education. When I was a kid, everyone knew key characters and stories from the Bible and some of the characters and stories from both Greek and Norse mythology. These days children have no idea what you mean if you call someone a "good Samaritan" or say of someone with a moral dilemma "he had a choice between Scylla and Charybdis." These stories are the common parlance of western civilisation and they are being frittered away within a generation by trendy "child-friendly" schooling. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 902886 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Wayne23 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T08:19:10Z FirstChildTAG: I make no promises, but I am 82.wh FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 FirstChildUserNameTAG: whaskett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T15:44:40Z SecondChildTAG: Congratulations! How exciting for you. It is such a priviledge to grow old. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T11:49:16Z FirstChildTAG: I am 75+ and live in Maryland. Wayne FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1419227 FirstChildUserNameTAG: WayneSherwood FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T21:00:44Z FirstChildTAG: I am 68 and happy to say that I am finally studying at Harvard (well, sort of anyway) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1343435 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DLMP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T20:58:34Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I just turned 66. I teach Humanities (early civilization to about 1350 CE) in a community college in Colorado Springs, Colorado USA. I take courses like this one for fun and hopefully it also helps make me a more inspired guide for the courses I teach. I love this course!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1453635 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ewokinco FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T01:34:22Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm 66, from Allentown, PA, USA and I am greatly heartened to see how very many of us are 'of a certain age.' May we be forever learners! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1456863 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Yinmeng FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T13:14:56Z FirstChildTAG: gregory: I now begin to understand where I (approvingly) am. The very beginning of 'Alice,' and the caucus race: 'You all have won, and all shall have prizes.'This is rare in academia, and perhaps not common at all in life, where the universal prize is some form of disappearance. wh FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 FirstChildUserNameTAG: whaskett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T13:29:24Z FirstChildTAG: Texican: just getting started. Soon to be 65 whatever that means. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1482805 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Texican FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T01:37:26Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, All, I'm 78, and want to learn what I've missed while still earning a doctor of philosophy degree! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1484511 FirstChildUserNameTAG: watson55 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T16:06:23Z FirstChildTAG: I am 54. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1480911 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MariaNogueira FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T17:03:49Z IndexTAG: 47 TitleTAG: Wich is your favorite greek hero? Hey, take the opportunity to greet and consult you what's your favorite greek hero. UserIdTAG: 1034604 UserNameTAG: Juando CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T23:12:31Z VoteTAG:8 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 50 FirstChildTAG: Hi, Juando. I like the more human heroes of the epics better the mythic demigods, and I'm a family man, so Hector gets my vote. But Odysseus after he's returned to Ithaca runs a close second. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1008704 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jjforshey FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:43:58Z SecondChildTAG: Hi , I am from india.My vote goes to Antigone- SecondChildUserIdTAG: 394432 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Doctorsg60 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T09:16:21Z SecondChildTAG: My vote goes to achilles SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1195474 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GDutta SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:27:44Z SecondChildTAG: I vote for Theseus. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1153355 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Miki4star SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T02:51:47Z SecondChildTAG: Hy! I vote for Bellerophon. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1019714 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AntonijaS SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T15:34:34Z SecondChildTAG: Hercules interests me. LouR SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1203963 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LouR SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T23:35:23Z SecondChildTAG: Hii!! mine is Hermes =) who is yours? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 275606 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Narki SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T08:49:42Z SecondChildTAG: Odysseus..:) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270396 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CB89 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T10:45:45Z SecondChildTAG: Penélope! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1147901 SecondChildUserNameTAG: cuapingu SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T12:03:41Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, I'm Konstantina from Greece, greetings to all! My favourite hero is Odysseus by far.Hard to explain why, there are so many feelings his challenges awaken to me,I think some of the dilemmas he faces are the same as those of the modern man.Contemporary Greek poet Konstantinos Kavafy set this better than I can in his poem "Ithaca".Unfortunately I post here only the authentic, greek text because I know nothing about the english translations as well as the copyrigt legislation of them. Ιθάκη Σα βγεις στον πηγαιμό για την Ιθάκη, να εύχεσαι νάναι μακρύς ο δρόμος, γεμάτος περιπέτειες, γεμάτος γνώσεις. Τους Λαιστρυγόνας και τους Κύκλωπας, τον θυμωμένο Ποσειδώνα μη φοβάσαι, τέτοια στον δρόμο σου ποτέ σου δεν θα βρεις, αν μέν’ η σκέψις σου υψηλή, αν εκλεκτή συγκίνησις το πνεύμα και το σώμα σου αγγίζει. Τους Λαιστρυγόνας και τους Κύκλωπας, τον άγριο Ποσειδώνα δεν θα συναντήσεις, αν δεν τους κουβανείς μες στην ψυχή σου, αν η ψυχή σου δεν τους στήνει εμπρός σου. Να εύχεσαι νάναι μακρύς ο δρόμος. Πολλά τα καλοκαιρινά πρωιά να είναι που με τι ευχαρίστησι, με τι χαρά θα μπαίνεις σε λιμένας πρωτοειδωμένους· να σταματήσεις σ’ εμπορεία Φοινικικά, και τες καλές πραγμάτειες ν’ αποκτήσεις, σεντέφια και κοράλλια, κεχριμπάρια κ’ έβενους, και ηδονικά μυρωδικά κάθε λογής, όσο μπορείς πιο άφθονα ηδονικά μυρωδικά· σε πόλεις Aιγυπτιακές πολλές να πας, να μάθεις και να μάθεις απ’ τους σπουδασμένους. Πάντα στον νου σου νάχεις την Ιθάκη. Το φθάσιμον εκεί είν’ ο προορισμός σου. Aλλά μη βιάζεις το ταξείδι διόλου. Καλλίτερα χρόνια πολλά να διαρκέσει· και γέρος πια ν’ αράξεις στο νησί, πλούσιος με όσα κέρδισες στον δρόμο, μη προσδοκώντας πλούτη να σε δώσει η Ιθάκη. Η Ιθάκη σ’ έδωσε τ’ ωραίο ταξείδι. Χωρίς αυτήν δεν θάβγαινες στον δρόμο. Άλλα δεν έχει να σε δώσει πια. Κι αν πτωχική την βρεις, η Ιθάκη δεν σε γέλασε. Έτσι σοφός που έγινες, με τόση πείρα, ήδη θα το κατάλαβες η Ιθάκες τι σημαίνουν. People can identify with Odysseus, even today, in a completely different reality.Kavafy did in 1911.I do us well, for multiple reasons which would be tiring to enumerate.Sorry for the big comment... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1298303 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KonstantinaKatmada SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T22:58:22Z SecondChildTAG: Hi,I am Maria from Rhodes-Greece.My favourite heroe is Odysseus.It's not difficult to explain why. Odysseus has traditionally been viewed in the Iliad as Achilles's antithesis: while Achilles's anger is all-consuming and of a self-destructive nature, Odysseus is frequently viewed as a man of the mean, renowned for his self-restraint and diplomatic skills. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300319 SecondChildUserNameTAG: marlef SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T11:49:33Z SecondChildTAG: Hi,Iam from SAUDI ARABIA ,i like greek heros ,,all of them were great, ican not decide which one of them is my favourites hero. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343771 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ameer79 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T16:44:27Z SecondChildTAG: Οδυσσεας! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1235414 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elliparos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:01:37Z SecondChildTAG: I vote for Hercules. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1369202 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MorganRock SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:22:18Z SecondChildTAG: Hi I work at the MFA in Boston and hands down my favorite hero to talk to student visitors about is Odysseus. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1026366 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sudian SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T16:25:43Z SecondChildTAG: My favorite hero would be Hercules SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1386648 SecondChildUserNameTAG: candydance SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T05:35:42Z SecondChildTAG: My fave Greek hero is definitely Hector :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1336310 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nina_nina SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T00:48:08Z SecondChildTAG: Perseas. He had a good end. :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1286136 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hyakinthe SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T23:31:08Z SecondChildTAG: heracles SecondChildUserIdTAG: 932862 SecondChildUserNameTAG: makibao SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T00:39:46Z SecondChildTAG: Leonidas, the spartan king that fought to death in Thermopylae against the Persians, with 300 spartans and 700 thespians by his side... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T04:36:14Z SecondChildTAG: Perseas SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1358691 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Etienne12345 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T14:53:25Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, I am Lina from Messini, Greece. My favorite hero is Eleni. Ελένη. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 361393 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Linak SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T23:28:11Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, I am Isabel from Colombia, I've loved Greek Mythology for as long as I can remember... but if I had to choose a Hero I admire I would choose Orpheus and as for women I would choose Psyche... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1149222 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IsabelValderramaC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T23:40:33Z SecondChildTAG: Achilles by any means for he understood and arose from his self-destructiveness, an act which requires unmeasurable inner straight. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1221124 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rafailz SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T16:16:44Z SecondChildTAG: Perseas and Odysseus SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1292863 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JAlford SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T01:44:56Z SecondChildTAG: Odysseus and his literary descendant, Stephen Dedalus! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1195703 SecondChildUserNameTAG: fernandoromo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T22:36:07Z SecondChildTAG: Achilles... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 964828 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nphuyal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T10:28:10Z SecondChildTAG: No doubt, the man of twists and turns, ton d'oion, the man of constant sorrow. ![enter image description here][1] Odysseus [1]: http://img04.imgsinemalar.com/images/karakter_buyuk/3207/Danny-Ocean-5.jpg SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1400103 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AbecedariusRex SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T17:52:35Z FirstChildTAG: Kirke. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T05:43:52Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, that's a classical too :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 971010 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IaraLages SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:06:39Z SecondChildTAG: tempting SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1372483 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PeterKeyse SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T08:14:11Z SecondChildTAG: Hello, I think Odysseus, because he refused to become immortal and to live in a paradise with a goddess and, instead, prefered to go home. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1286432 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EleniTs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T09:19:05Z SecondChildTAG: I'm looking forward to finding that out. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 65058 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Handy1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T18:14:16Z FirstChildTAG: Achilles, because he was the greatest Greek warrior and he prefered a glorious death than immortality. After all, we are named from his people. "*Now all those again that inhabited Pelasgian Argos, and dwelt in Alos and Alope and Trachis, and that held Phthia and Hellas, the land of fair women, and were called Myrmidons and Hellenes and Achaeans, of the fifty ships of these men was Achilles captain.*" Hom. Il. 2.680-685 With my vote agrees another great Greek hero, Alexander the Great :)) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T07:27:26Z SecondChildTAG: Alexander the great the King of *Macedon*? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 386029 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gkoleoglu SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:19:43Z SecondChildTAG: :)) Sorry I didn't write it properly but I thought that Alexander the Great is perhaps the most famous greek hero, not only to those who are interested in Greek culture. So, yes, Alexander III of Macedon. Did you know that he was sleeping with a copy of *Iliad*, that his teacher Aristoteles had given to him, under his pillow? Alexander thought that Achilles was the greatest greek hero. But to be honnest, I think that Alexander was a great admirer of him adittionally because he considered him as his ancestor. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 962226 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T10:10:58Z SecondChildTAG: Who game Alexander the postfix "the great" ? I've always wondered about that. Modern heroes don't have postfixes. Why was he called "the great" and by whom? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 972803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pathos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T03:49:24Z SecondChildTAG: Heracles SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1263528 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Filippos13 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T08:57:51Z FirstChildTAG: In the Iliad, I root for the Trojans, so: Hector, like jj hereabove! And Hecuba, the mother of all devastated war mothers. And because heroes are hopefully not exclusively fighters, I'll add Orpheus, the father of all music and poetry. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T08:26:15Z SecondChildTAG: By the way, there is a similar discussion of favourite Greek heroes on https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/511ebd9d5244f62700000100 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T08:29:41Z SecondChildTAG: OK, I'll add a few others: Prometheus - the emancipator of humanity; Antigone - the rebel; Cassandra - damned to foresee the catastrophic future but never to be believed... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:19:15Z SecondChildTAG: I am with you on Hector. He was really the most "human" character. He loves his family and his country, battling valiantly even while opposing the cause of the war itself. Hector also gives us the best examples of free-will, as a contrast to the ever-present force of this fate - but we won't go too far into that yet. I think he is the most relatable hero of the epic, and Homer's scenes with Hector have always stuck in my mind as examples of the poet's surprisingly nuanced approach to war and heroism. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1232183 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ApollosCrow SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T01:15:40Z SecondChildTAG: Exactly, Apollos, thanks for summarising it so well. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T08:57:59Z SecondChildTAG: I agree with you Appolos Hector is the most human character and all the scenes with Hector have touched my heart. I cannot forget the scene of the farewell to Andromache and the superb words of Hector " είς οιωνός άριστος, αμύνεσθαι περί πάτρης" SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270646 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NellyFili SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T21:53:21Z FirstChildTAG: Favourite Greek Hero. Well not Achilles, what is heroic about a warrior who is almost completely invulnerable? I suspect that Zorba is more my idea of a hero. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1107954 FirstChildUserNameTAG: WaylandSmith FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T08:56:03Z SecondChildTAG: Excellent! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:20:02Z SecondChildTAG: I like that argument! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 603171 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Urtica SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T17:15:58Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, Achilles was almost invulnerable. But when his mother, godness Thetis, warned him that if he was going to the Trojan war he was going to die, he didn't stay in his safety and choosed to die. I like your vote for Zorbas :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 962226 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T10:28:19Z FirstChildTAG: It's Prometheus. Brought fire to humanity, fought the gods, suffered for this, never refused his statements FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1165915 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lamerlu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T10:32:18Z SecondChildTAG: I totally agree with you.I think it was the best gift for people. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 909575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: allasobirova SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T16:00:20Z SecondChildTAG: good arguments :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1336310 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nina_nina SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T00:48:44Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:21:20Z FirstChildTAG: My vote goes to Kassandra: She Knew so much, but no one believed her, thinking at the same time of her as a crazy person. So, the gift from god Apollo became a curse for the person.... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:26:27Z SecondChildTAG: Good choice, I'd say. There's certainly something heroic about continuing to tell the truth even when no-one is willing to accept it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T15:03:23Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for the comment.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Erza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:38:59Z SecondChildTAG: In many ways I agree with your thoughts of Kassandra being one of the best heroes. She tried to warn Troy of the disaster that was floating towards their gates. Though Kassandra's visions were in conflict with the warriors fears and realities,it didn't mean that she was a hero to be denied. The woman fought for Troy's survival with the same strength as Hektor. Yet, she was one of the survivors of the battle,and placed her reputation on the line in ways that men would not dare try. Birdymcgraw SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1033422 SecondChildUserNameTAG: birdymcgraw SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T00:01:16Z SecondChildTAG: My vote goes to Kassandra too... because of the burden and the curse that she is carrying SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1359571 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Dimitris1976 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T01:47:52Z SecondChildTAG: Kassandra is my hero too. I wish people would tell the truth more. I admire those who do. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T11:55:28Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, my favourites are Hector and Antigona, for they do their must though they know it's hard and they won't be successful at it, yet they do it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 915752 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sdeorym FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T15:32:43Z FirstChildTAG: the greatest hero for a lot of greek people is Antigone!! We say that Greeks are the children of Antigone and not of Kreonta (you should read Antigone).That is because Antigone broke the rules, she went against the laws and the obligations of society, she was risking her life for a higher human purpose, an ethical value and a humanitarian need. No rule, law of society should or could stop her (like Kreon who believed that people should do anything according to society rules and laws) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 216607 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ktsitlak FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T17:58:07Z SecondChildTAG: That's true, there are many things of *Antigone*. We still talk about, write about it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240942 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Christina22 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T18:24:04Z SecondChildTAG: Antigone and Kassandra then! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T11:56:16Z FirstChildTAG: Good Morning My favorite is Hera, Why , you ask the wife and sister of Zeus? Why, a Goddess who has been known to seek out revenge and yet still love her children and be known as the Goddess of marriage and family. Because she has the strength to be all of that and more, her willingness to not be destroyed by setbacks or to lose sight of her goals. Are the very things that are needed strength, love, family and the willingness to fight for them. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1067425 FirstChildUserNameTAG: meadows2013 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:25:59Z SecondChildTAG: Very respectable but I think the idea is to recall our favorite heroes and Hera is not a Hero, she's a Goddess... She's awesome though... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1149222 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IsabelValderramaC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T23:44:49Z FirstChildTAG: Persephone is my favorite, but for a strange reason. My family has been eating pomegranates for ever. So,my daughter in high school did a report on her for that reason. Oh, the depth of my soul. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:51:20Z SecondChildTAG: I love pomegranates. They are not common here, you generally pay through the nose at the grocers. But I find them appealing in every way... visually they are curious, they taste amazing and are so tactile! Anyway, I ramble. But yes! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228228 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scarletting SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T16:09:11Z FirstChildTAG: Odysseus is my call, from what I remember of Classical Studies back at school in the 80's... I imagine he would be a super dinner guest! Can you imagine him relating his encounter with Circe? Never a dull moment... :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1199055 FirstChildUserNameTAG: murt FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T04:18:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hello All, I'm not sure if I got through the first time. My favorite Greek hero is Odysseus, because he lives in spite of it all, and the Trojan horse idea of his is outstanding in his field;~D Birdymcgraw FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1033422 FirstChildUserNameTAG: birdymcgraw FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T05:43:45Z FirstChildTAG: My vote goes to Antigone. I think Antigone was the first woman who clearly defied masculine authority that time. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1087507 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nodee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T04:02:04Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, she's my woman! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T11:57:35Z FirstChildTAG: Odysseus - "I am Odysseus son of Laertes...who am a worry to all men by my wiles." I like Odysseus, crafty but frank and prudent and brave, though not foolishly so. Hecktor as well, seems like a noble man. I have always thought Achilles to be vain, but my teachers have taken the view that in some ways my preference of Hecktor to Achilles is a more modern one. I think for the Greeks, Achilles was really the embodiment of the hero, the embodiment of arete in person and in action. What do you all think of Achilles? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: chekov FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:34:11Z SecondChildTAG: I'm a big fan of Odysseus too. I have a soft-spot for trickster-figures of all kinds, and he was one of the first. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1232183 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ApollosCrow SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T01:19:52Z SecondChildTAG: It does disturb me though, that he is the one who called for the execution of Astyanax, an infant and the only son of Hector and Andromache, and in some versions, actually carried out the execution by throwing the boy off Troy's highest rampart. The Greeks originally envisaged sparing Astyanax. But Odysseus argued that he would be a threat once he grew up, looking for revenge. He had a point, I suppose, but... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T19:34:18Z SecondChildTAG: That would be interesting to look at. Is that incident described in the Iliad? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: chekov SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T09:24:43Z SecondChildTAG: Not in the Iliad directly, which describes an episode of the Trojan war, rather than the taking of the city and the massacre of its inhabitants. The story of Astyanax's death comes originally, I think, from the epic poem Iliupersis (The Sack of Troy", which is part of the Epic Cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Cycle), more particularly the "Trojan" cycle, which tells the entire history of the Trojan War in epic verse. It is attributed to Arctinus Miletus. This is the source used by Euripides for his play "The Trojan Women", where the messenger Talthybios announces to Andromache the Greeks' decision to kill Astyanax, and takes the boy from her. He tells her that Odysseus prevailed over his companions, arguing that "one should not let the son of such a hero live" and should have him "thrown downs the remparts of Troy." She curses Odysseus, wishing that the same fate befall his own children. In most version, it is Neoptolemus who carries out the sentence, but in others, it is Odysseus himself. Astyanax's body is brought back by Talthybios to his grandmother Hecuba, who has the most beautiful, heart-wrenching monologue. Come to think of it, perhaps Hecuba is my heroin, the mother of all children killed in war (she lost her fifty sons and about as many daughters). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T15:07:47Z SecondChildTAG: Yes. A disturbing story. Why is it that mothers must suffer so much? Thank you for your interesting comment. Hecuba, Antigone and Kassandra then! Smiles, June SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T12:01:05Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Brazil! As a woman, I tend to Antigone (what a strong woman!!), but my vote goes to Odysseus. He has the strength of an young man and the wisdom of an old one. And he is good humored too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 971010 FirstChildUserNameTAG: IaraLages FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:24:08Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, My favorite greek heroine is Antigone, because I think this is a very inextricable personality :) Christina FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240942 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Christina22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:56:18Z FirstChildTAG: This is a great question. I encourage you to revisit it at the end of the course, when we've all had a chance to look at these heroes - and the Greeks' concepts of them - from a few different angles. Who knows? You may change your mind, or you may have a few more reasons to support your original choice of favorite hero! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T05:33:16Z FirstChildTAG: I like Jason a lot. Not because I aspire to be him or respect his strength or leadership but because he interests me the most. I love Euripides' Medea because the protagonist of the book isn't the 'hero' and the 'hero' of the book isn't the protagonist. Post-fleece, in Euripides' Medea, we see the 'big shot' hero out of his comfort zone and in something that doesn't suit him well: normality. Living with a wife and children in exile in Corinth, he's *still* trying to be greater than an average man by marrying up into royalty. This sounds like the set up for a fish out of water 70's sitcom but it's really not. I won't spoil the ending for others if you haven't read it but Medea is somewhat against this idea and takes vengeance. However, I think Jason gives a demonstrative example of how heroes don't last and our idea of what's heroic is dynamic. Anyone who's seen the recent Batman films would have heard the line 'You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain' which sounded pretty profound but I couldn't help but think about Jason in this context. In Euripides' world, neither applied to Jason. He's left alone. Defeated not in a glorious battle but instead broken as a man. Sure, he was hardly an angel but he could never be described as the villain. When did he *stop* being a hero? Are acting heroically and acting for good the same thing? If not, where do they differ? So my vote, for now, is Jason. Simple minded yet morally complex and heroically ambiguous Jason. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 3437 FirstChildUserNameTAG: o0Johnny0o FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T00:23:21Z FirstChildTAG: I think I am more into anti-heroes like Orestes and Oedipus, who struggle to embrace their painful destinies. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: galandreas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T14:34:10Z FirstChildTAG: My favourite greek heroes are brothers Castor and Polydeuces known as Dioskouroi. Patrons of sailors and travellers representing ideals such as honesty, kindness and chivalry. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1289628 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AngelikiP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T18:01:05Z FirstChildTAG: **Andromache** - For being able to give military advice to her husband during the siege of Troy (strong woman who understood her societal role of the time) **Odysseus** - Despite his weepiness in the Odyssey, he is just so awesome! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282915 FirstChildUserNameTAG: eemilyhodgson FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T20:48:20Z FirstChildTAG: I vote for Ifigenia!!!(Ιφιγένεια εν αυλίδι) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1288744 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ifigeneia89 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T01:14:52Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone, My favourite hero is Nestor. While he was young he was brave enough in order to participate to all the major events of his time: the campaign for the Golden Fleece and the hunt of the Calydonian Boar. And although he was really old, he did't hesitate to participate to the Trojan War. At a time when life expectancy was very low, the opinion of this wise, venerable old king was highly appreciated by everybody. From a certain point of view, Nestor is something like the Godfather giving advice to his people: "Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgment". FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1332029 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Evangelos1972 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T20:47:29Z FirstChildTAG: There are so many to choose from, based on iconographic sources (such as vases) there are not so many depictions of the cunning hero Odysseus. However, there are classical heroes from the Illiad, that are idealized in Classical vase painting such as Achilles, Hector, Patroklos, Ajax, Aeneas etc. The most revered hero is Herakles and his glory & worship continued onto the Hellenistic provinces, the Roman Period and beginnings of Christianity. And there is Perseus, the Gorgon slayer, and Theseus, the Minotaur slayer who are also idealized as classical heroes. Very hard choices indeed. I cannot choose FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1346784 FirstChildUserNameTAG: delphiniasalamin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T16:44:15Z SecondChildTAG: I vote for Herakles also. Undertaking all of those Labors! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Joannaroo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T06:19:45Z FirstChildTAG: I spent a few hours yesterday with a friend of mine who is a well-known theatre director and a specialist of Greek tragedies. We were musing on the fact that the common view is that Antigone is a rebellious good heroin and Creon the bad, tyrannical guy. But if one goes back to the text and situation, there is a strong case for saying that Antigone is at first a reactionary who favours the rules of the Gods and the interests of her family over those of the State, and Creon, at the beginning at least, the more modern statesman, concerned with the well-being of his citizens. He does eventually turn into the tyrannical, perhaps even fascist character we usually have in mind. But read his extraordinary first monologue, where he explains the reasons for his decision not to bury Polyneices: "I now possess the throne and all its powers, by nearness of kinship to the dead. No man can be fully known, in soul and spirit and mind, until he hath been seen versed in rule and law-giving. For if any, being supreme guide of the state, cleaves not to the best counsels, but, through some fear, keeps his lips locked, I hold, and have ever held, him most base; and if any makes a friend of more account than his fatherland, that man hath no place in my regard. For I--be Zeus my witness, who sees all things always--would not be silent if I saw ruin, instead of safety, coming to the citizens; nor would I ever deem the country's foe a friend to myself; remembering this, that our country is the ship that bears us safe, and that only while she prospers in our voyage can we make true friends. Such are the rules by which I guard this city's greatness. And in accord with them is the edict which I have now published to the folk touching the sons of Oedipus; that Eteocles, who hath fallen fighting for our city, in all renown of arms, shall be entombed, and crowned with every rite that follows the noblest dead to their rest. But for his brother, Polyneices--who came back from exile, and sought to consume utterly with fire the city of his fathers and the shrines of his fathers' gods--sought to taste of kindred blood, and to lead the remnant into slavery--touching this man, it hath been proclaimed to our people that none shall grace him with sepulture or lament, but leave him unburied, a corpse for birds and dogs to eat, a ghastly sight of shame." FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T10:37:44Z SecondChildTAG: IMHO, Creon, as most leaders and kings is self righteous, and that is evident in his speech. Most leaders/kings of the past, present and I do not doubt the future, justify their decisions to create new rules and laws for the citizens to follow based on their own beliefs and the beliefs of the inner circle or privileged citizens of the said leaders/kings court. That is why we have so many heroes, because someone needs to stand up to those sometimes crocked self-righteous ideals that those leaders/kings impose on us. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1130433 SecondChildUserNameTAG: christosKay SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T11:01:40Z SecondChildTAG: Okay, if he's lying, I'm with you. And as a spontaneous kind of rebel permanently outraged by the state of our world and the actions of our leaders, I can well sympathise with your position. And yet I still find his speech remarkable for the times and in the context, as well as in terms of dramaturgy and what the play can convey about our complex human nature. I find multidimentional characters so much more interesting than the goodie-baddie constellation. Everyone has a moral dilemma. Many characters start out with a good idea and get corrupted, like their idea, on the way. And sometimes idealists sometimes do more harm than good. So if I produced the play, I probably wouldn't choose the straightforward interpretation: Creon = tyrant, Antigone = wonderful heroin and martyr, Ismene = weepy weakling (potential collaborator). I would have the characters evolve towards virtue or, respectively corruptedness/violence/power greed. In other words, I would give Creon the benefit of the doubt at the beginning taking his speech seriously, and only have him turn into a tyrant in the course of the play. Which doesn't mean that the straightforward interpretation is wrong, of course! Incidentally, I played Antigone in school already, when I was 11... Be it just for this nostalgic reason, she is an all-time favourite of mine .-)! Thanks for your post, cheers, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T12:19:16Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Juando, I have loved many Greek Hero's, but by far my favorite has to be Prometheus. He is also the inspiration for one of my characters in my novel. -Aaron Hill FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1136204 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aaronhhill FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T07:52:33Z SecondChildTAG: Another novelist! We are quite a few here. Cheers, Dominique SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T11:32:17Z SecondChildTAG: and here's another! Smiles, June SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T12:04:43Z FirstChildTAG: I'd say Orestes as he typically represents best the existential hero: asked to rectify the mistakes of those who came before, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280572 FirstChildUserNameTAG: will72 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T23:13:32Z FirstChildTAG: For me it's always been Odysseus but the more I get to know him I'm not so sure I'd trust him much. Hardly a role model really but how very human. I suspect the real hero was Homer. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1372483 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PeterKeyse FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T10:11:05Z FirstChildTAG: To pick one hero would be an injustice. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1130433 FirstChildUserNameTAG: christosKay FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T10:50:42Z FirstChildTAG: I have two favorites: Prometheus and Perseus. I like Prometheus because, as was mentioned earlier, he was the father of humanity and sacrificed himself to give his children fire. When I found out that he was tied to a rock and eaten alive everyday for his "crime" of the theft of fire from the gods hearth, it broke my little heart. Perseus I have a soft spot for because he was the first human-ish hero I read about when I was a kid, and I read his story over and over and over. I'm still not bored of it. I think maybe it clicked so well because I played a lot of videogames when I was little. Seriously, his story is so Legend of Zelda. This isn't the most logical reason, but emotional impact tends to trump all else. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1306036 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ohhai FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T03:20:40Z FirstChildTAG: The ultimate hero ever . A great historical person : LEONIDAS FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1263528 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Filippos13 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T07:52:27Z FirstChildTAG: My favourite is Prometheus also for the reasons so well explained already, but I also like Atalanta, the fierce and strong huntress capable of outrunning her suitors and killing them afterwards...shame that Hippomenes tricked her with some golden apples and finally won her - a strong woman, but not smart enough...well, nobody is perfect! :) I like the way her name sounds anyway! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1030301 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CarmenSPAIN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T17:27:08Z FirstChildTAG: None other than **Achilles**. Not because of being the mightiest warrior or the most handsome, but of his strong will, determinism and **real** friendship. (I have to emphasize the "real" since today the friendship has lost any value, literally.) Achilles knew that would die, and still chose a glorious short life, instead of a shallow, long life deserved for us, the commons. The anger, that doesn't count your own life, to avenge the death of your best friend, is the most noble act than any pity, and it's bestowed only to heroes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 392391 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EZ FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T17:14:53Z FirstChildTAG: I like Orpheus, because he is one of the most different heroes. He doesn't fight, just uses his lyre as a "weapon". And I like the whole story around him, as one of the argonauts, and by attempting to save his love from the underworld. The guy made Hades cry. How amazing is that? And he is an Apollo's son. He learned how to play his lyre having a god as a teacher. It's so cool. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1411459 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Vincent96 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T15:13:54Z SecondChildTAG: I absolutely agree, Orpheus is my hero. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T17:18:53Z SecondChildTAG: FOUND YOU! And i was going to write the same too! By the way, hello from Greece! My name is Alexandra! And yes, with his songs the souls cried but he couldn't stand and looked behing on his way back... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1302711 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexandra_92 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T19:10:01Z SecondChildTAG: Dominique here! *To Selene (Moon)* *Hear, Goddess queen, diffusing silver light, bull-horn'd and wand'ring thro' the gloom of Night.* *With stars surrounded, and with circuit wide Night's torch extending, thro' the heav'ns you ride:* *Female and Male with borrow'd rays you shine, and now full-orb'd, now tending to decline.* *Mother of ages, fruit-producing Moon [Mene], whose amber orb makes Night's reflected noon:* *Lover of horses, splendid, queen of Night, all-seeing pow'r bedeck'd with starry light.* *Lover of vigilance, the foe of strife, in peace rejoicing, and a prudent life:* *Fair lamp of Night, its ornament and friend, who giv'st to Nature's works their destin'd end.* *Queen of the stars, all-wife Diana hail! Deck'd with a graceful robe and shining veil;* *Come, blessed Goddess, prudent, starry, bright, come moony-lamp with chaste and splendid light,* *Shine on these sacred rites with prosp'rous rays, and pleas'd accept thy suppliant's mystic praise.”* ― Orpheus SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T03:17:38Z FirstChildTAG: May be he was not Hero but Diogenes was a fantastic philosoph for me :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1416425 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kiyakmusto FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T19:30:31Z FirstChildTAG: HECTOR FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1395605 FirstChildUserNameTAG: danozafar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T03:52:00Z FirstChildTAG: Ulysses FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1334807 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MrnMathioud FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T12:13:57Z FirstChildTAG: Atalanta, although she is a girl she's kind of considered a Greek hero. After all, she sailed with Jason to get the Golden Fleece. She was also the first to hit the Calydonian boar. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 766909 FirstChildUserNameTAG: iHeartGlitter22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T20:57:27Z SecondChildTAG: She is a woman and she is most definitely a Hero. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T12:07:54Z FirstChildTAG: Diomedes-always fascinated me: How could he seriously injure two Gods in battle and not be retaliated, in kind ? Love Vjim FirstChildUserIdTAG: 938644 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vjim FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T00:42:43Z SecondChildTAG: Wow, I just looked up Diomedes at Wikipedia. By his entry in the English Wikipedia one might take him for a hero as important as Achilles or Odysseus, maybe even greater (founder of many cities). The shorter entry in the German wikipedia makes references to his death which (together with the circumstance that he too is both a man of intelligence and an archer) make him appear almost like a doppelgänger, a mirror image, of Odysseus. I will definitely keep an eye open for Diomedes while reading. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 171100 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Oliver_Schafeld SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T08:50:26Z FirstChildTAG: Hello I'm from Grenada, the Caribbean! My favourite Greek heroes are Achilles and hector. They are both good men and destined for great things but also destined to die. I feel sorrow and a bit of empathy for those two.. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 375549 FirstChildUserNameTAG: twedee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T02:31:54Z FirstChildTAG: Ahh, all these admirers of Odysseus and no one mentions Penelope, the long-suffering wife who fends off hoards of suitors while hubby is off consorting with Circe and Calypso . . . who is clever enough to weave by way and un-weave by night, to set a task for the suitors that only her husband could fulfill, and to "test" him by reference to their bed to make sure she isn't being tricked by the gods. It's not classic, but I invite folks to check out Margaret Atwood's *The Penelopiad*, *The Odyssey* from Penelope's point-of-view. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1112187 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CarolRizzardi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T14:20:03Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Carol, I'll look for a copy of The Penelopiad, Smiles, June SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T12:16:07Z FirstChildTAG: Hi my name is Sofia, with a name like that it is not really a choice... so my Greek Hero is Socrates. :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893306 FirstChildUserNameTAG: shilentzaris FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T23:07:48Z FirstChildTAG: I'm still reading. It may take me a while. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 847474 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Allain FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:29:13Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings to everybody; I'm not a brand new member, but only now I noticed this thread. Well, I've always liked **Diomedes**, a hero a bit underestimated and not "first-class". Despite that, nevertheless, I consider him a pretty admirable man and I enjoy Book V, his ἀριστεία/excellence. Who else managed to wound two gods after all? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342894 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EleftheriosTserkezis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T19:30:45Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone: Odysseus by far. And then Theseus and Achilles. I have a sneaky suspicion that The Odyssey (with the Iliad as its basis of course) may be a metaphorized account of post-traumatic stress disorder. If so, then maybe The Odyssey is the earliest of its kind ever recorded in this respect. There's no way to prove it, but look at how long it took the man. Seven years (on top of a decade at war) to return home. I'm no expert, but I've had a lot of time to savor the experience of my having read the Homerics over twenty years ago. I already had this hunch for awhile, but over the weekend I became further convinced towards the possibility of it when I caught up with some recent Oscar nominees on On Demand in order to humor my wife, and I was pleasantly surprised. The protagonists in The Master and The Life of Pi take an awfully long time to return from their respective journeys at sea (almost as if both of these films were archetypically based upon The Odyssey in the Jungian sense). And even more ironically, the protag in The Master is taking forever to return home from war. Just like Odysseus. (Spoiler alert:) now there are two totally different stories presented at the end of The Life of Pi to explain away the film's spectacle (which ends up becoming more than a little anti-climactic to say the least). One is completely mundane, but obviously contrived, whereas the more fantastic of the two accounts is presented as the genuine article. That's the kind of thing I think may have happened in the process that led to the evolved telling of The Odyssey that we read in translation today. I mean why not? Is Odysseus not a great liar? from the deception of the Trojan Horse to telling Polyphemus, "I am 'Nobody'." Not to mention, that he is kept by a woman - not once, but twice (both Circe and Calypso of course), whilst Penelope remains chaste throughout (bet he didn't fess up about that when he explained to her why it took so long). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1246056 FirstChildUserNameTAG: neil923 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T05:51:28Z SecondChildTAG: Is that what happened? Oh, so much to learn. Poor Penelope. Smiles, June SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T12:18:09Z FirstChildTAG: My favorite is obviously Thersites, who no body is supposed to like. My second is Poulydamas, who at least appears (unheroically) to suppose that this particular war can be won if its leaders would only think about method and wisdom i their decisions: even Homer thinks this 'good sense.' and then Hektor, who does not cheat (although he runs away around the walls of Troy three times) in his conflict with Achilles, who is only saved from damage by the intervening action of a god, after his first fling of his spear has missed its target. wh l FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 FirstChildUserNameTAG: whaskett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T13:37:38Z SecondChildTAG: Well, I think you are very brave for liking Thersites and Poulydamas, there is some wisdom in your choices. Hektor is a decent guy too. Smiles, June SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T12:23:49Z FirstChildTAG: For me, Odysseus. The smartest greek hero. He inspired historical leaders, how: the greek generals Temistocles (salamina battle)and Leonidas (Thermopylas) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 982103 FirstChildUserNameTAG: diegogarzonv FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T21:56:28Z FirstChildTAG: Odysseys was the smartest, Achilles the the most brave, Nestor the most wise and so on....They all have a place in our heart. It is difficult to choose and more difficult to choose from the whole literature not only iliad.... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342928 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DIMITSA FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T16:17:13Z IndexTAG: 48 TitleTAG: Dulce et Utile THE ANCIENT GREEK HERO: "DULCE ET UTILE" 'Sweet and useful'! Though Horace was Roman [not Greek] & speaking specifically of poetry's purpose, his phrase "Dulce et Utile" perfectly paves the way for immersion into studying the potent role of the ancient Greek hero throughout the time-space continuum. Delightful & Instructive: What's not to love? UserIdTAG: 410016 UserNameTAG: KarenOfBostonArea CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:55:48Z VoteTAG:8 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Karen, wonderful! For the last 2 years my motto was also from Horace: Sapere aude, dare to ...know, or dare to be wise, in other translations. It applies to this course as well, and it will so dulce also. Dulce et utile, in Romanian - Latin language, the words remained almost the same, if speaking about poetry, 'dulce si utila'. Warm regards from Bruxelles and Paris, Angelica FirstChildUserIdTAG: 983090 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LumiAnge FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:24:53Z FirstChildTAG: Some of the beauty of Horace's turn of phrase (in my humble opinion) lies its implication about the duality of human nature. Oh, and for the record, I'm in New Hampshire. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1029978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AndyBrown321 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:18:52Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Karen, Angelica and Andy. Dare to be wise oh yes my life motto if I have one at all! How lovely to meet like this. Warm regards and looking forward ongoing investigations and enjoyment, June FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:32:33Z FirstChildTAG: I think this might possibly be Horace, but I am not certain. May possibly have come from Apollo's temple. Something often said by my family, though. Nihil nimis. Nothing to excess. Ahh, I love that one. Anyhew, I am delighted to have read you lots quotes and quibbles. I am sure we shall all enjoy this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 925287 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zimia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:40:08Z SecondChildTAG: Nothing to excess - This is my favorite. Thank you. <3 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 SecondChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T22:13:45Z IndexTAG: 49 TitleTAG: Hello to Heroes! I am really excited about taking the course. I have 7 years of Latin (junior high/high school) under my belt and a longstanding love of epic poetry. With twins at home and a demanding job, the ability to have a meaningful intellectual experience is a welcome one! Thanks in advance. UserIdTAG: 890727 UserNameTAG: mprutter CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:04:15Z VoteTAG:8 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 45 FirstChildTAG: Hello Everyone, I am Jaswanth and I'm from India. Just like many of you folks I too love greek culture and more importantly their mythology. Anything greek grabs my curiosity! Looking forward to this course :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 986498 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SJaswanth FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:35:04Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! I am Greek and I adore Indian culture, and I wish that there is a course on hero of you ancient tradition in the near future :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300119 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kokkonis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T08:09:28Z SecondChildTAG: Same here- I am also fascinated by Indian mythology SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1292863 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JAlford SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T02:10:43Z SecondChildTAG: Hail to the heroes! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1327668 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Boyuan SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T13:04:41Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings fellow Greek Gods and Goddesses! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1008585 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Deioma FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:11:23Z SecondChildTAG: jesus .... O SecondChildUserIdTAG: 145957 SecondChildUserNameTAG: igolybev SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T14:21:05Z FirstChildTAG: Hello I am Alex I live in Argentina, I have also studied latin during high school but I sincerely confess that I do not remember anything. But I never studied Greek... ANyway I am here to learn so looking forward to this course. CHeers! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1198479 FirstChildUserNameTAG: silboun FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:21:29Z SecondChildTAG: Hello all, looking forward to this course, Orestis from Greece SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1008847 SecondChildUserNameTAG: OrestisR SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:24:01Z SecondChildTAG: ¿Argentina? ¡Al menos dos hispanoparlantes hay entonces! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1011831 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MrEntropic SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:04:58Z SecondChildTAG: Tres! Greetings from Mexico City SecondChildUserIdTAG: 414417 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DraDamaris SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:15:10Z SecondChildTAG: cuatro...greetings from Madrid SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1206863 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Crooke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:18:00Z SecondChildTAG: 5 even if you don't believe it cheers from Costa Rica SecondChildUserIdTAG: 57701 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jumika SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:32:04Z SecondChildTAG: Six with me, colombian now living in Argentina. Looking forward to it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 160751 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sebasdlrp SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:42:02Z SecondChildTAG: Hey. Argentina here. We probably went to the same school, as there are no more than three schools that teach Latin here. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015653 SecondChildUserNameTAG: TomasAG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:44:55Z SecondChildTAG: Bueno, somos por lo menos ocho los hispanohablantes. Greetings from Guatemala city SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1198454 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Adelou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:02:36Z SecondChildTAG: hola, soy Griego, vivo en Australia, pero hablo y escribo Espanol, entonces pueden contar conmigo saludos elena de Adelaida Australia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:44:23Z SecondChildTAG: perdona queria decir Griega! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:44:50Z SecondChildTAG: Me gusta más lo de hispanohablantes (que parlantes, que no me suena a español). We are a few people from Spain and a lot of people from America, so I am sure we will be able to maintain discussions in Spanish, in order to advance quicker and to understand those concepts I am sure there will be very difficult to cope with them. Welcome, Javier R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1145164 SecondChildUserNameTAG: REBOM58 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:49:26Z SecondChildTAG: Yo también soy española. De Madrid en concreto. Saludos! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999429 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MariaLC SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:37:59Z SecondChildTAG: Hola gente, desde la española Costa del Sol!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 950599 SecondChildUserNameTAG: germanius SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T23:05:27Z SecondChildTAG: Hola , estoy en Cordoba, Argentina Es bueno estar en contacto SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T13:23:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I am Christina from Derby, England. I'm a full time mother of six and very much looking forward to this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 901774 FirstChildUserNameTAG: madwoman77 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:29:06Z SecondChildTAG: I love your account name :) Welcome, and hello from an Aussie in London. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 791250 SecondChildUserNameTAG: marcusjroberts SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:30:11Z SecondChildTAG: Love it. I'm a mother of 2 from the US but hoping to become a Londoner this Fall when my husband starts a new job. It is nice to see so many moms on here. :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1181181 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Aniqsa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:28:45Z SecondChildTAG: This makes me extra happy! **Cheering you all on** SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:25:25Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, fellow Brit! The adventure begins... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1383321 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sunriseaura SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:05:32Z SecondChildTAG: Wow. I won't complain about my 2 boys and 2 dogs. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999009 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MHOConnor SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T00:00:17Z SecondChildTAG: Full-time undergrad student, over-time dad, and timeless husband of a medical school student, here! Parents are (can be) heroes. -Darrell in Maine, USA SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1013610 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PeaceAnt SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T22:04:16Z FirstChildTAG: Hello I´m Mexican, i love reading. but i have a serious problem with the history but i´m trying to learn more. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1197490 FirstChildUserNameTAG: niulet FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:56:54Z FirstChildTAG: Carolyn from the USA here. Can't wait to learn with you all! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 81911 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CMoretti FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:33:18Z FirstChildTAG: Hi I am from Argentina! I´m really excited about this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1059946 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ugitas22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:36:00Z SecondChildTAG: Hey i am from Cordoba, Argentina , is great to be in touch!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T13:24:49Z FirstChildTAG: This is going to be fun. Nice to meet all of you. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 937747 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Radioface FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:36:45Z FirstChildTAG: Should be interesting studying an ancient (and primarily oral) tradition in this new way. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1213334 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jdworrall FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:46:48Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I'm Viviane from Lebanon, and I'm very excited to start the course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060241 FirstChildUserNameTAG: V-5 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:39:05Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone. I'm Ana, from Croatia. Looking forward in learning new things and improving my english... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893236 FirstChildUserNameTAG: anamamula FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:52:38Z SecondChildTAG: Welcome Anna! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:51:50Z FirstChildTAG: Hey fellow Heroes! My name is Victoria and I come from the Phillipines. I'm quite excited to take part on this new adventure with an exception that my knowledge of Greek Myth will be a bit rusty. Cheers FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1043373 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Victoria01 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:41:03Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to all of you! My name is Catherine and I am a teacher on the island of Majorca. I loved Greek Mythology when I was at school but unfortunately that was a very long time ago. I am looking forward to rediscovering and finding out more about it with this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1163965 FirstChildUserNameTAG: escolastico7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:45:45Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone, I'm Sandra from Germany. I am superexcited about that course and can't wait to start!!! This is gonna be FUUUUN :D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 844461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:39:50Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I am Sasha from Egypt. I cannot wait for March to roll around. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 572461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Seeingsasha FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:44:45Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Sasha, I am Katherine. I am an American living in Alexandria, Egypt. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 855300 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SpiritedRN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T14:33:43Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I am Sona and I am from Armenia. I am very glad to be here and learn anything concerning Greek culture and literature! Greetings to all! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 966253 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SonaMito FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:30:51Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Sona, I am Katherine. I am Armenian by descent. I am an American living in Egypt with my family. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 855300 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SpiritedRN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T14:32:54Z FirstChildTAG: Hi. I´m Angel from Mexico. Since i was a child i´ve instested in Greek Mythology. I expected to learn more from this amazing culture. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1197521 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sganeomaster FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:50:25Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm Gabriela from Brazil. I have a lot of expectations about this course and hope we all will have a good time learning more about Greek heroes. I think these old stories are much more than simple messages or entertainment, and I count on you to find the meanings that are hid in the texts. Let's enjoy this opportunity to learn! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1066314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Gabitsa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:51:23Z FirstChildTAG: Hi friends, my name is Anvar Sadhath. I am from India. My knowledge of the Greek hero is limited to the Theban Plays. I too am looking forward to learning and discovering more about the Greek hero. I consider this as an opportunity to meet the lovers of the Greek Heroes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 933787 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sadathvp FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:51:25Z FirstChildTAG: Santosh from india , looking to find a greek hero :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 308002 FirstChildUserNameTAG: santoshvenu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:58:30Z FirstChildTAG: Best greetings and wishes from the (a) land of myths. It is a pleasure to meet you all, and I look forward to starting our course. Fabio (Italy) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1036410 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fpesaresi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:57:47Z SecondChildTAG: Hi. Kalliopi from Greece. I am embarraseed to say that I know few things about Greek ancient Mythology.So this course would be a good chance to refresh my kwonledge and my English!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1120676 SecondChildUserNameTAG: popi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:13:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone! I am Maria from Spain. I am studying my second carreer Art History (first one was journalism). I am very excited about Mithology and Ancient World. Can't wait to start! Best wishes to everyone! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 999429 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MariaLC FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:11:24Z SecondChildTAG: F. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 145957 SecondChildUserNameTAG: igolybev SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T14:23:49Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I'm Jamie from the states. My background is in philosophy which, naturally, has resulted in affinity for the Ancient Greeks. I look forward to sharing this journey with you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1058266 FirstChildUserNameTAG: euthyphro FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:11:24Z FirstChildTAG: Hi. Kalliopi from Greece. I am embarraseed to say that I know few things about Greek ancient Mythology.So this course would be a good chance to refresh my kwonledge and my English!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1120676 FirstChildUserNameTAG: popi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:13:33Z FirstChildTAG: hello, my name is ruy, I'm from Brazil. am student of philosophy and this course will be very interesting thanks FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220184 FirstChildUserNameTAG: 2rmp FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:51:43Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, Verena from Mexico. I am really looking foward to learn about ancient Greek culture. Greetings to all! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 684138 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VerenaFaes FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:26:58Z FirstChildTAG: Hey! I'm Adelaida from Guatemala, I work in a library facilitating dialogues in three different book clubs. I love classical heroes and monsters. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1198454 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Adelou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:07:38Z SecondChildTAG: yes the monsters are wonderful aren't they? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:54:17Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings all, Kyle from New Zealand here. Looking forward to getting into this :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168876 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kylewilloughby FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:30:02Z SecondChildTAG: Hey, someone just across the water! Smiles from Australia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:54:56Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I'm Jordan. I'm from Louisiana in the US, though I'm currently teaching English in China. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1196976 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JordanCormier FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:14:00Z FirstChildTAG: It is great to meet everyone. My name is Amy Gaines and I live in Central NJ. I recently got married 2.5 years ago. I live with my husband and twin 17 year old stepdaughters. They are great. I also have another stepdaughter who has a daughter who is 2. It is a great and enjoyable time as a grandmother and also getting a chance to witness her birth. I am in the process of looking for a new job so going on a bunch of Interviews. I have Bachelors in Marketing from Marywood University and 2 Masters. I have an MBA from University of Phoenix a Masters in Project Management from Keller Graduate School, which I got in 2006. I look forward to learning from everyone. Nice meeting you all. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 411228 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aimster FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:02:35Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I am Raul from Costa Rica. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 984546 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rtico FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T18:22:40Z FirstChildTAG: Salutations! This course business really is a spectacular idea. I am a freshman in high school. My family is academically inclined, so I have been reading poetry and mythology types of things for many years now. I also have been taking Latin for the past 5 years, and my brother is now a philosophy student studying all things Greek, so I decided to follow in his footsteps. I am sure we'll have a spiffing time of it! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 925287 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zimia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:30:03Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm April from Austin, Texas. I'm also very excited to start this course, I hope the 'sourcebook' is posted soon! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:07:41Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! Heroes, I'm a freshman architect from Bangladesh. I studied about lots of Hellenic & Hellenistic architecture in our Architectural History course. But the matter of fact all architecture is driven by regional culture. So when I found out about knowing Greek culture I almost run for it. I'm hoping our course develop good friendship between heroes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1123917 FirstChildUserNameTAG: minSTreL FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T18:43:25Z SecondChildTAG: neat! i hope you'll give us your thoughts on hellenic architecture along the way! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T15:58:28Z FirstChildTAG: Ahoy from the Mojave Desert. Looking forward to the experience. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 145656 FirstChildUserNameTAG: desertbob FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T04:24:13Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I'm Catherine from Greece, undergraduate student at the National University of Athens, Dep. of Classical Studies. Also looking forward to the experience !! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1256529 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ALCESTIS92 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T11:49:23Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Thessaloniki GREECE FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1291754 FirstChildUserNameTAG: konstantinos590 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T20:57:20Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I'am Boyuan, I am 9 years old. I am interested in Greek mytholagy, I am excited to join you. See ya in march. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1327668 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Boyuan FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T23:16:26Z FirstChildTAG: Brie here from the U.S. Looking forward to starting something new and learning more about a subject I know nothing about! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1308341 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BriePlum FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T13:02:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hi I am American. German and Irish descent. I am excited to meet so many folks from around the world. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1292863 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JAlford FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T02:12:16Z FirstChildTAG: Awesome man from Boston FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1327668 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Boyuan FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T13:06:28Z FirstChildTAG: I am Canadian-born, married to an American and lived in New York and Washington until we moved to Israel 11 years ago. It's fascinating to live in a Mediterranean country and I want to learn everything I can about the region. I have been studying Biblical archeology and now I welcome the opportunity to expand my knowledge in another direction. Until we came here I was very oriented toward western Europe and North America. I am a retired art historian. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 989914 FirstChildUserNameTAG: anitaf FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T13:55:17Z FirstChildTAG: Lisa from New York. I am amazed at all the countries represented in our cohort and I am really looking forward to reading everyone's comments. I have a background in classics, but I am very curious about online courses. I am auditing a couple of them to see how the different professors and platforms work. I was excited to see Prof. Nagy offering a course, and I can always read the Homeric poems. Looking forward to the other material as I haven't looked at it in a very very long time. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1052339 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LisaCarol FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T19:54:16Z FirstChildTAG: I really like heroes too. I simply enjoy there reason to want to die as a hero ans the measures they take to do. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1391459 FirstChildUserNameTAG: margiegg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T23:19:54Z FirstChildTAG: Hello every one i am Varun from India. I love to get knowledge about many type of cultures i love Greeks because they are the foundation for all type of culture i think. If i get a opportunity then i will become professor and start a school for all the philosophy lovers. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1264022 FirstChildUserNameTAG: varunpai FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T02:47:31Z IndexTAG: 50 TitleTAG: Are heroes made, or are they born? Do we, as humans, become heroes through action and words and thoughts? Is it about doing what is right, on a continuing basis, when all the world seems to be against you? Do we fight the good fight, knowing that we feel alone in the fight, but still doing it, because of the unshakable faith that we know we are indeed doing right? Anyone else feel these thoughts? Dave Mann UserIdTAG: 936089 UserNameTAG: DMannIT CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T23:42:02Z VoteTAG:7 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 7 FirstChildTAG: Dear Dave, This is an excellent thought exercise; thank you for posting it! As you will soon see, though, your question isn't as relevant to ancient Greek concepts of the hero - and, therefore to this course - as it may seem. Our modern concept of the "hero" and "heroism" has surprisingly little to do with the concepts applied by those we'll be studying in this course, for whom heroes were partly-divine beings whose lineage was a major contributor to their status, and whose actions wouldn't in many cases match any definition of the word "heroic" as we understand it today.Thus, reading Greek heroism through the lens of our modern understanding of the concept is an example of what we shall be referring to as "reading into the text." Our goal in this course will be to teach, and to reinforce, the skill of reading out of the text, thereby understanding as fully as we can what it had to say to its ancient audience, and what it has to say to us. The https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/01356a17b5924b17a04b7fc2426a3798/ first reading assignment in h24h, which should be https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/5133dfa14bb7e9270000004b available to you on this website later this week, will provide more detail about this. Thank you again for prompting such thoughtful discussion! We look forward to hearing your thoughts on this topic as the course progresses. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T00:59:54Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! I think that the whole idea of the Greek Hero is to teach the audience. The Hero is a person with a partly divine status, but with human flaws. That way the audience can actually relate to the hero's personality, follow the hero throughout the drama and finally, reach catharsis (relief). At the end of the play the viewer has been emotionally stimulated by the hero's actions and sufferings, has relived the drama (like in virtual reality) and has been taught a character-building and liberating lesson by a persona that is above average and the same time human. It is not a story. It is a procedure, a session. Thanks for your time. Sandy SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1335395 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sandypat73 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T12:24:45Z SecondChildTAG: Dear sandypat73 That is a very good way of describing it. In fact, as you will see as early as Hour 1, the hero's "flaws" are human in a way, but are greatly magnified because of the hero's status. In other words, as Professor Nagy will explain, heroes are capable of amazing, larger-than-life feats -- but when they make mistakes, those mistakes (and their results) are correspondingly huge, as well! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 615718 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T13:12:10Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Dave, yes, I think what you describe is our modern concept of a hero, to which I personnally very much abide, of course. It will be interesting to find out how we can relate to the Greeks' idea of what a hero is. And supposing that idea turns out to be hopelessly dated and unusable for our times, needs and perceptions, what is it then that makes Greek literature and characters so important and fascinating to us? Can we find parallels? I am thinking of another type of modern hero who is also detached from the ethical quality of his actions and whom we admire for an abstract quality viewed as superhuman: not his lineage but his in-born talent, like in the case of extraordinary athletes or artists. Of course, no top athlete or artist succeeds without work, dedication, character, etc., but what fascinates us is their overwhelming talent, that God-like quality that makes us hope there is something beyond human nature: Mozart comes to mind. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T10:09:29Z SecondChildTAG: Nice question Dave, I have had it in my head for years, till now. For me, human beings are not to be underestimated in anyway and anyhow. That's what I want to know from this course, although I won't change my mind about the unlimited possibilities of human potential. I'm Dohar, from Bandung, Indonesia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1233937 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mardohar SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T11:38:20Z FirstChildTAG: Oh, dear. Professor, those Greek ideas of hero are more immediately relevant than you suggest here; as a director, my actors only start to listen to me at first when they know that I'm a cousin of George Washington and, less reputably, Robert E. Lee; my lineage as a hero. They feel then that they might just be sailing with a modern Achilles. OK, then the Roman ideal sets in and my accomplishments are read by the scribes - the medallions under my golden eagle described (New York Times reviews). Audy Murphy may not have achieved heroism as a half-child of the Gods in WWII, but the American media sure tried to paint him that way after the war when he starred in movies - once playing himself, as I recall. The Greek hero is read out of that text and into the headlines every day, we just have different words for divinity. It's read out of our DNA as storytellers. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1230416 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ccsysd05 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T12:07:58Z SecondChildTAG: Nonetheless talking down to sincere people for "reading into the text" is probably meritorious. hehe. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 997597 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GosseB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T05:01:37Z FirstChildTAG: DMannIT's words reminded me of two different stories about ancient Greek heroes and their life choices. Even if my thinking slightly changes the topic, I still hope it will be useful. The first is about Achilles (Iliad 9:410-416) and the prophesy regarding his fate. Achilles seems to believe that he is really "free" to choose and, initially, he says he's ready to depart from Troy (Iliad 9:358-361). The second is about Heracles and its origins can be found in the 5th century BC, I think. Heracles is said to have met Arete (Virtue) and Kakia (Badness) who urged him to choose one of them to follow (Xenophon, Memorabilia 2:1:21-34). The hero chose Arete. Of course, I agree that both choices are not between good-evil in a modern sense (morality) but between heroism/excellence and a unheroic, moderate, mortal life. But, even in that form, the question remains: Are they really free to choose? Is their choice already "taken", either by Fate or by their own character and origin? Eventually, what's the relationship between a hero and freedom and where did the ancient Greeks put the boundaries of freedom in their own cosmology and anthropology? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342894 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EleftheriosTserkezis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T12:34:46Z FirstChildTAG: Is Jesus, the God-Man, a hero? I asked a practicing Christian friend of mine and he strongly objected: Jesus, he said, isn't part human-part divine, he is God. Was the idea that Jesus had a divine nature a "culturally Greek" notion which parallels the cult of heroes? Lineage actually plays a huge part in the Bible, where everyone's ancestors are painstakingly listed. As for Jesus, the narrators went out of their way to prove that Joseph was a descendant of King David, one wonders why actually, since Joseph isn't supposed to have fathered Jesus at all! (Jesus himself didn't say he was God. He spoke metaphorically of God as his father and of humans as his brotheres and sisters.) Does the Bible in general have deep Greek philosophical and cultural roots? I would imagine so. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:06:52Z SecondChildTAG: I think Jesus is not (or *was* not, whichever tense you prefer) a hero. *Catholics* (I am not writing this term as opposed to other Christians. I'm just not very familiar with other branches of Christianity and I am not sure whether this applies to all of them or not) believe he is humane and divine at same time (I think this is called the Hypostatic Union). He is without sin, without *flaw* as opposed to Greek heroes who are of divine origin but have "human flaws" (that are "greatly magnified" as jeffemanuel wrote earlier). He may well be *above* those heroes (maybe this is one of the reasons why Christianity spread rapidly in the Greek World and the New Testament was actually written in Greek) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1367442 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Paumax SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T22:18:17Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Paumax. One of us just signalled the following link with a video of our prof. Nagy: http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k67633&pageid=icb.page322121 On the right hand side of the page that opens, you'll find a document called class E-116 Syllabus.doc, which discusses the Jesus, viewed as an "anti-hero". Very interesting! Here an extract of the text: "...Another of these anti‐heroic models is the figure of Jesus as presented in Mark 4:35‐41, focusing on “heroic deeds,” and 16:1‐8, focusing on the themes of the empty tomb and the resurrection. The “empty tomb” theme of the New Testament, which is considered the oldest element in the development of the Passion Narrative, will be analyzed as an alternative to ancient Greek practices of venerating tombs of cult heroes ‐ and to ancient Jewish and Muslim practices of venerating tombs of figures from sacred narratives, such as the tomb of Abraham and Sarah in Hebron. The theme of the “empty” tomb in the early Christian era will be compared with the rival theme of the “Holy Sepulcher” in the later Christian era of the emperor Constantine (fourth century CE), showing a reversion to the older heroic model of the cult‐hero’s tomb. As for the theme of Jesus’ resurrection and subsequent epiphanies in the New Testament, it will be compared with the rival “pagan” theme of the “double resurrection” and subsequent epiphanies of the epic and cult hero Protesilaos in the dialogue crafted by Philostratus." SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T08:17:50Z FirstChildTAG: Before starting this course, the hero to me, is the person who can stand for virtue in the face of opposition. My heroes are people like Schindler, who stood against Hitler and freed Jews against millions of Nazi supporters. The Congresswoman Maxine Waters, who called for pause and voted against the Iraq War (alone against all other members of Congress). She was proven right. Doing the right thing when it is not comfortable, easy or popular, and even when it can be deadly. That is heroic and anyone has the potential power to do that, even a child. Yet, so many are found to be weak under pressure. Courage is the essence of heroism and fearlessness the essence of courage, faith the essence of fearlessness, and self-realization the essence of faith, which based on understand the body as separate and dependent upon the soul. Hence, KNOW THYSELF = BECOME A HERO Let's see if my ideas on heroism become transformed or reinforced by this course? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1377257 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GlobalWellBeing FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T03:46:02Z FirstChildTAG: Some are born to greatness -- Agamemnon, Eurystheus? Some achieve greatness -- Herakles, Odysseus? Some have greatness thrust upon them -- Achilles? Hector? Or might we have the hero as a linear combination of these routes to greatness = H? b = born a = achieve t = thrust H = .7b +.2a +.1t for Agamemnon H = .2b +.6a +.2t for Achilles H = .1b +.2a +.7t for Hector :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 993875 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CHH-1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T14:20:50Z IndexTAG: 51 TitleTAG: BBC Radio 4 "In our Time" I should be on a commission for the number of times I have recommended this programme, but I just feel the urge to spread the news as it is so good! But anyway, this is a wonderful programme on UK radio every week which discusses a variety of different topics - with a history, philosophy or culture theme. They always have 2 or 3 real academic experts in the field discussing the particular topic. Anyway you can listen to it on the internet for free or download a particular programme or the podcast. The archive of ancient greek history programmes is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/in-our-time/archive/ancient_greece Enjoy UserIdTAG: 1287387 UserNameTAG: Beth5706 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T11:33:10Z VoteTAG:7 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Thanks, Beth. I'll tune in. Cheers, Dominique FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T11:37:53Z SecondChildTAG: thank you i will tune into this myself. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1143026 SecondChildUserNameTAG: maiziebanner SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T23:54:37Z FirstChildTAG: Indeed, it is an amazing programme. Seriously, if I could stop paying the fee for German television in order to support the BBC instead, I'd be happy to do so. Even the radio programme is so much better than ours. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 844461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T20:27:14Z FirstChildTAG: An excellent series and all the better for being able to download them as podcasts. On the subject of downloads - sorry to highjack this post but I don't seem abl to make a new post -- is i going to be possible to download the video lectures to view 'off-line' FirstChildUserIdTAG: 20879 FirstChildUserNameTAG: forevergreen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T21:29:26Z SecondChildTAG: This will be my first .edx course, but on Coursera you can download the lectures, so I would be surprised if you can't do it on this course. To start a new post, click the big blue button at the top right hand side of the discussions page, labelled new post. It's just below the box with your name in it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287387 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Beth5706 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T09:34:49Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Beth - that's what I tried. I can start the new post but when I hit add, it just freezes. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 20879 SecondChildUserNameTAG: forevergreen SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T17:01:31Z SecondChildTAG: Oh I don't know then! Sorry. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287387 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Beth5706 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T14:20:39Z FirstChildTAG: Love this programme, thanks a lot! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1345970 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nebhos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T12:53:17Z IndexTAG: 52 TitleTAG: Anyone else teach middle school history? Hello! I'm a public school teacher living in Sacramento, California, trying to improve my knowledge of the classics. I teach sixth grade ancient civilizations and seventh grade world history. If you are out there, welcome... glad to "meet" you! Andrea UserIdTAG: 1368458 UserNameTAG: andreadogbunny CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T22:39:06Z VoteTAG:6 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 10 FirstChildTAG: Andrea, I also teach middle school history. I am a 6th and 7th grade history teacher working at an American School in Casablanca, Morocco. I am taking this course for the same reason as you. Paul FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1322924 FirstChildUserNameTAG: paulvandop FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T13:03:56Z SecondChildTAG: Like minds...nice to meet you, Paul! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1368458 SecondChildUserNameTAG: andreadogbunny SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T17:46:20Z SecondChildTAG: Is this Paul from CAS? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1350626 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KatieSeamon SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T01:23:58Z SecondChildTAG: I'm Bob. Just learned two of my grand kids in Jr High are excited I am taking class as they too are now reading Homer. The excitement is trans generational...fuels hope for their future. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 SecondChildUserNameTAG: photon101a SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T02:01:59Z FirstChildTAG: I also teach history and geography to 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th grade in a french public school. And i'm taking this course for the same reason as you also. David FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1320351 FirstChildUserNameTAG: David-Vincent FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T16:53:56Z SecondChildTAG: Ravi de vous rencontrer, David! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1368458 SecondChildUserNameTAG: andreadogbunny SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T17:46:22Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I teach 6,7,8th grade literature. I thought this might help. Katie FirstChildUserIdTAG: 990478 FirstChildUserNameTAG: katieramos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T17:10:14Z SecondChildTAG: Nice to meet you, Katie! Where do you teach? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1368458 SecondChildUserNameTAG: andreadogbunny SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T17:46:25Z FirstChildTAG: I homeschool my children, two of whom are in middle school this year, though one will start in a two year public school course in August to prepare her for International Baccalaureate courses the following two years. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1377530 FirstChildUserNameTAG: higginszoo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T00:32:23Z SecondChildTAG: Also homeschooling here in Madison, Wisconsin, USA. Taking the course with twin 16 year-olds, a 12 year old, and my wife. Really great to see teachers from all over here in the course! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222755 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CircleReader SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T18:38:59Z FirstChildTAG: I teach high school humanities and English - not quite middle school, but not so far either. Glad to step into the virtual stream and find you here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 936205 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DeborahWarshaw FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:34:11Z FirstChildTAG: I work with grades 6-12 in English and Social Studies. I hope to learn a great deal from this course, especially if it will help in the classroom. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 949334 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RebeccaS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T13:41:34Z FirstChildTAG: Ι work with grades 7-12 and i teach history, ancient and modern greek language, ancient and modern greek literature. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1330309 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maria_nizamidou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T10:26:54Z FirstChildTAG: I teach history for the 9th grade in Brazil! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 930461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dantelles FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T00:04:33Z FirstChildTAG: I also teach history, ancient and modern greek language, ancient and modern greek literature, to children aged 15-18 years old.Happy to meet you all, teachers! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1275949 FirstChildUserNameTAG: filareti FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:13:37Z FirstChildTAG: I'm also a middle/high school history teacher. Ancient history is one of my favorite fields of history! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1350626 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KatieSeamon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T01:24:55Z IndexTAG: 53 TitleTAG: text as flower In §4b of "Advice for Students," Nagy states that "the ancient texts you are reading give you many chances to 'get it,' even if you cannot seem to 'get it' the first time around." I find this characteristic of the ancient texts fascinating! I wonder about these literary patterns, these variations on a theme. This conceptual patterning and repeatability reminds me of the florid style of architectural decoration of baroque. The key here is the adjective *florid*. This centrifugal iterativeness, like the arrangement of the petals of a blooming flower, marks what poetry critic, slow reader, and lovely lady of *lento*, Helen Vendler, identifies as the elemental feature of the meditative lyric. UserIdTAG: 896974 UserNameTAG: tristandestry CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T06:04:54Z VoteTAG:6 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Dear tristandestry, What an excellent analogy! You will see very shortly in this course that the comparison to a flower is quite apt; in fact, in Hour 1 we will discuss the kleos aphthiton sought by ancient Greek heroes as a glory that is "unwilting," like an everlasting flower! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T13:09:57Z SecondChildTAG: κλέοσ ἄφθιτον! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T16:45:30Z FirstChildTAG: of course anthology and the "terms and colors" of rhetoric are floral. I'm intrigued by the aphthiton topic. Is it possible that the flora and fauna of ancient Greece informs the imagery more literally? Not just the 'laurel' but perhaps in a more mystic or tenuous(or turgid if you don't go for that sort of thing)way analogous to pagan investment(or germanico-english) in the oak tree or the ash or birch? is this "unwilting" more artificial or natural as Prof Nagy sets out these two terms? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 FirstChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T08:10:28Z SecondChildTAG: Hey Johnny, doesn't plant imagery seem like a key concept already in the ancient texts? (Achilles as a "shoot" and "seedling" for example.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T08:48:14Z SecondChildTAG: yes. I am eager to hear more about "unwilting"!! and i wonder about the "vegetation" as I am unfamiliar with greek horticulture apart from "poetic" laurel, palm tree, amaranth, etc. but i get a lot of that from studying early modern texts and just dont know enough about the "real" greek landscape. hope that will change in the course of this course! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T09:37:06Z IndexTAG: 54 TitleTAG: Greetings from Apache Junction, AZ USA Being able to take courses like this is tremendous. I am 72 and am starting a course at Harvard University. What a great journey for this old man. UserIdTAG: 1055816 UserNameTAG: bobby5991 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T21:58:51Z VoteTAG:6 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 8 FirstChildTAG: Greedings from Nefeli, Greece, Bobby !!! In my country we say "it's never too late" !!!!! Welcome !!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:04:26Z SecondChildTAG: better late than never bobby! Sophia from Patras Greece! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:33:01Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for the encouragement, Sophia. Our world owes much to the Greek people. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:00:51Z SecondChildTAG: I am disabled and this is like being able to leave the house , use my brain and meet people. So, lets get started already SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T02:03:36Z SecondChildTAG: I'm 65 and just got my first ever Degree (Associate in Applied Science Electro-Mechanical Tech) Now if only I could remember what I did with it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 65058 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Handy1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T19:42:11Z SecondChildTAG: welcome everyone!!!chrysa from greece!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270396 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CB89 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T10:57:26Z SecondChildTAG: Hello, I am Washington from Uruguay, Southamerica. I am wishing to start our course. Greetings to all my classmates. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1080394 SecondChildUserNameTAG: wburatti SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T14:31:57Z SecondChildTAG: hi there!!!I Hail from South Africa. Can't wait to discuss the course with all of you guys!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 740402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: isabelrudo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T07:12:37Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Bobby5991, thanks so much for enrolling! We are cheering you on!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:46:01Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Claudia, Aristole, Plato, and Homer have had great influence in my life. I appreciate the encouragement. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:02:37Z SecondChildTAG: You are one of the instructors! I wanted to attend Harvard as undergraduate. Not smart enough to be accepted.To be taking a course from Harvard means a great deal to me. I have also registered for the "Justice" course.Lot of the excitement in my life has disappeared - this journey has invigorated me. Thank you for welcoming me and all the other students. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:20:35Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Bobby5991, You're a few years ahead of me ...but not that many. I also am excited in these retirement years to have this opportunity...It seems incredible. My best wishes for an invigorating experience! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282451 FirstChildUserNameTAG: frenchman FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T05:12:49Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks frenchman, I appreciate the encouragement. This is going to be great journey. I am glad to be taking it with other people like you and the others who have welcomed me here. Take care. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:04:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, Bobby. Age is of no importance when it comes to heroes...Nestor from Iliad was a great man despite his age. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T12:31:53Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Ezra. I think all the years have given me a better and deeper appreciation for what the Greeks have given us. I am excited. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:06:21Z SecondChildTAG: Or maybe because of his age. In some cultures age is revered (people have the assumption (rightly or otherwise) that old people are wiser. In some other cultures it's the other way around. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 972803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pathos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T03:42:19Z FirstChildTAG: The most amazing road in America goes from Apache Junction to the Roosevelt Dam. Did it once. That was enough for me, thank you very much. From one geezer to another, welcome. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 224003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: keithpagea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T14:00:08Z FirstChildTAG: Cheers Bobby, I wish you all the best from Croatia! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1298657 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stewkam FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T00:22:49Z FirstChildTAG: You are not old, just wise :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 869468 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CFArnold FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:24:11Z FirstChildTAG: I find it truly amazing that this subject finds so many open minds throughout the world. Way to go! Wish you much joy here! Greetings from Greece. PS: if I may add, USA (and especially those regions like Arizona) has developed a mythology of its own. We have so many pictures through film and other narratives, that we could almost smell the dust of Texas or Arizona, without ever having been there.. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1251553 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Annahou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T23:17:07Z IndexTAG: 55 TitleTAG: Greetings from Athens Many thanks to Professor Nagy for the initiative. Looking forward to March 13![Acropolis Museum][1] ![enter image description here][2] [2]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13608795611343644.jpg UserIdTAG: 1148969 UserNameTAG: Merkouri CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:04:39Z VoteTAG:6 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Nice pic! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 FirstChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:36:36Z SecondChildTAG: :-) Thanks! The Acropolis Museum SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1148969 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Merkouri SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:04:27Z SecondChildTAG: I am more then impressed. I am now challenged to learn how to do this. Sweet. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T20:35:06Z FirstChildTAG: Merkouri καλησπέρα!!! Έκανα κι εγώ ένα post πριν λίγο με όνομα "The Mythologists - Facebook Group", για ένα πανέμορφο γκρουπ που φτιάξαμε και αφορά την μυθολογία μας και σε 2,5 μήνες ήρθανε 7000 μέλη!!! Σε προσκαλώ να το διαβάσεις και αν σου αρέσει να έρθεις μαζί μας και να του κάνεις και vote!!! Με τιμή, Αποστόλης :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895514 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mythologist FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:49:54Z SecondChildTAG: Καλησπέρα, Αποστόλη. Μόλις μπήκα. Like-Νατάσα SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1148969 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Merkouri SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:06:07Z SecondChildTAG: Καλωσήρθες!!! :) Εύχομαι να βρεις ζεστασιά και ομορφιά στην κοινότητα. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 895514 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mythologist SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:12:10Z SecondChildTAG: Καλησπέρα......Hello.......from Athens.....! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1269121 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 91KONSTANTINOS91 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T19:46:00Z SecondChildTAG: Καλησπέρα,σε όλους!!!δν υπάρχει κάτι πιο ενδιαφέρον από τον αρχαίο ελληνικό κόσμο!!!μια καλή ευκαιρία να μάθουμε καινούργια πράγματα!!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1341850 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Krateros SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T15:52:43Z IndexTAG: 56 TitleTAG: Hello!! Hi, I'm from Guatemala and I'm looking foward to learn a lot of new things! UserIdTAG: 1059332 UserNameTAG: RodGonzalez CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:19:55Z VoteTAG:6 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 63 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Russia, glad to find out there are Greeks from all over the world) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1165915 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lamerlu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:41:46Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone, I'm Andrea from Perú. it's pretty amazing to see so many people from around the world. This is going to be an very enriching experience! =D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1157417 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Andy_Ten FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:54:25Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Andrea! I´m from México :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 957972 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lluvia79 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:21:02Z FirstChildTAG: Me too, Rod, I love to read and it will be great to be able to discuss ideas that have significance in our real world with one another. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1000925 FirstChildUserNameTAG: greyladydown FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:23:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, i am from Puerto Rico speak a little bit english. But with all my heart i try. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 229378 FirstChildUserNameTAG: misael77 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:31:30Z SecondChildTAG: That's the spirit! Well done! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 743321 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Pa_CR SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:16:55Z SecondChildTAG: Welcome, happy to help you anytime. Smiles from Australia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:42:13Z SecondChildTAG: I don`t know speak english very well too. I`m trying... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1213783 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Chrisfontenele SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:59:06Z SecondChildTAG: Gud Luck to All SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1388755 SecondChildUserNameTAG: asdsad84 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T21:17:39Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from London and really looking forward to learn and understand more and more FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1035249 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jovanka FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:32:33Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings..I may possibly be the only one from Hungary,though..jst wanted to say Hello. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1036535 FirstChildUserNameTAG: shaaperas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:35:23Z SecondChildTAG: Hello shaaperas, Now there's a least two of us from Hungary. :) Greetings to all fellow students, too! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1342000 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mezoani SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T08:57:09Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from São Paulo! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1022108 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sortdrame FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:35:35Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, greatings to all from Ecuador, can't wait for the course to beging FirstChildUserIdTAG: 951362 FirstChildUserNameTAG: alberto27 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:36:28Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Norway, SO excited for this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1211229 FirstChildUserNameTAG: iwerner FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:36:43Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Brighton in the UK. Looking forward to some good discussions! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 949385 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JoP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:55:33Z FirstChildTAG: Hi. Greetings from India. Nice to be party of this community. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 933787 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sadathvp FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:52:43Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Kentucky. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 72924 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aelfmorgan FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:42:38Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to all of you from Majorca. I'm looking forward to this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1163965 FirstChildUserNameTAG: escolastico7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:43:08Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone!! Im from Rhode Island, nice to meet ya'll :D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1213524 FirstChildUserNameTAG: crystalpagan FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:43:12Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Ireland ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1137901 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Celtaidd FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:05:14Z SecondChildTAG: Ah, beautiful Ireland, land of my close ancestors! Smiles from Australia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:43:46Z SecondChildTAG: hi, I'm in Ireland also, good luck!! Alison :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1242469 SecondChildUserNameTAG: allyg21 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T02:54:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, Hola from Mexico City. It will be fun and amazing! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 977792 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Yaonox FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:47:14Z SecondChildTAG: ¡Hola! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 743321 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Pa_CR SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:17:41Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone! I live in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA. I'm very excited to take this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 338400 FirstChildUserNameTAG: amhoney22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:43:33Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Costa Rica! Can't Wait! :D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 220538 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MaoMartinez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:31:16Z FirstChildTAG: Hi I am from Argentina! I´m really excited about this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1059946 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ugitas22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:33:45Z SecondChildTAG: Hey! Great to find a fellow Argentinian here. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 921167 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stefii1806 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:48:29Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I'm Viviane from Lebanon and I'm very eager to learn about Greek heroes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060241 FirstChildUserNameTAG: V-5 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:36:48Z FirstChildTAG: Greeting from India, Can't wait for this course to begin :D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 986498 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SJaswanth FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:36:51Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings to all of you from Greece (the modern one). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1188053 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Gass FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:37:16Z SecondChildTAG: Greece here :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 608442 SecondChildUserNameTAG: eg306 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:07:30Z SecondChildTAG: Greece here as well!!!! :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 933696 SecondChildUserNameTAG: menugirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:14:28Z SecondChildTAG: Hang in there Sunshine! Smiles from Australia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:44:38Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone! I now live in Brazil, but I'm from Chile. I'm really willing to learn and, maybe, share some knowledge with all the group. May all of us have wonderful moments with Greek literature! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1117317 FirstChildUserNameTAG: katiwal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:39:08Z SecondChildTAG: ¡Compatriota! :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 743321 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Pa_CR SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:18:25Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Rio de Janeiro! Olá! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1097469 FirstChildUserNameTAG: guilhermegarcia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:39:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone! I am so impressed with the international population represented in those who have signed up for this course. I am from Malibu California USA and work at The Getty Villa/Museum teaching ancient mythology as a docent during tours of young student visitors. Several of us have signed up for this course looking forward to adding to our knowledge base. This is going to be lots of fun. Best to all. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1184611 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SuzanneBurke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:48:29Z SecondChildTAG: No fair! ;-) You sure have a head start over the rest of us............... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 906896 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobkeimach SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:30:18Z SecondChildTAG: Wonderful. I was there in march last year. Smiles from Australia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:45:40Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to everyone!!! I'm from Ukraine. Nice to meet you in this international community)))) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 944460 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VictoriaB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:40:05Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Argentina! I'm really excited about this course. Nice to meet you all. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 921167 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stefii1806 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:49:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hello!! I am an international student from Ghana in college over in Nashville, TN. I have always been intrigued by Greek heroes and am really glad to have chanced upon this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1151025 FirstChildUserNameTAG: brytte FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:56:12Z FirstChildTAG: hola a todos. Saludos desde Colombia! es muy rico tener a tantas personas, todo el mundo en un mismo interés. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1019059 FirstChildUserNameTAG: 77themis77 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:58:21Z SecondChildTAG: hello, i'm colombian, what's your city? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1092497 SecondChildUserNameTAG: santiagowl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:46:24Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from western Massachusetts. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1136095 FirstChildUserNameTAG: blancolin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:21:03Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone! I'm from the UK and I'm really excited for this course! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 983223 FirstChildUserNameTAG: esampson FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:01:23Z SecondChildTAG: UK my birthplace. Smiles from Australia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:46:27Z FirstChildTAG: Hello all, I'm another one from London UK and this will be my second MOOC. Looking forward to learning more about the Greek Hero. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1082516 FirstChildUserNameTAG: andyh1001 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:05:52Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! I'm from Greece and I'm so impressed by all the interesting comments and views of all the group here. Glad to be with you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1117628 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MariaAlexaki FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:08:58Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Greece! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 608442 FirstChildUserNameTAG: eg306 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:10:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from the high desert in Palmdale, CA USA. I think it is great that the text books for this course will be free. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 906896 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobkeimach FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:33:22Z SecondChildTAG: Oh yes, isn't it a brilliant opportunity. It makes me determined to give my all. Bliss SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:47:17Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I am Tatiana, and I greet you from Greece!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 933696 FirstChildUserNameTAG: menugirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:15:49Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone,i am from Bangladesh,nice to meet you all,cant wait for March ... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1093976 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Cassandra1990 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:15:50Z FirstChildTAG: Having international student colleagues will greatly enrich our discussions! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1097812 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nedbarb FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:36:45Z SecondChildTAG: I guess we are all international. Smiles from Australia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:47:49Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, Hola, Hallo! I'm Chilean, but at the moment I live in Cambridge...not that of Harvard, but that at the UK :-) Hugs to everyone. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 743321 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Pa_CR FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:20:04Z SecondChildTAG: Lovely town Cambridge. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:48:14Z SecondChildTAG: I'm from Switzerland, but spend 6 months in Cambridge a year ago. Are you studying there? I stayed at beautiful Pembroke College, go and visit if you have time, it is really beautiful!! Oh, and if you like art and history, I fell in love with the Fitzwilliam museum, maybe you will, too :) Greetings to all, and I'm looking forward to the discussions, it's going to be so interesting having people with incredibly divers backgrounds getting together for this one topic! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1090330 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HJSCHOCH SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:00:19Z SecondChildTAG: Hey, my friend and I who both signed up for this course are in Cambridge as well! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1009273 SecondChildUserNameTAG: VEVancollie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T00:42:46Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, everyone, I'm another student from Luton, UK! I'm 16, but really looking forward to this course in Greek literature and history alongside my AS levels! :D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 945574 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dlaiden FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:25:18Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone, I'm from Sweden, and I'm really excited seeing how many different countries are represented here! Like previous posters have said, the discussions will probably be fantastic. :) Such a pleasure to meet you all! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1219710 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KatieJohansson FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:32:55Z SecondChildTAG: You too Katie. Welcome! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:48:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Italy! Can't wait for march 13 :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060549 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Diotima FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:34:15Z FirstChildTAG: Gertrud Greetings to all from coastal Maine (US) where there is a long Yankee tradition of reading wise things by the firelight on winter nights. I'm a medical translator, and looking forward to feeding my thoughts with things of a different nature. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 996266 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ggchampe FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:37:55Z FirstChildTAG: I have been posting greetings all over the place, I am really impressed by the vast collection of sites we are signing to this excellent opportunity, I'm sure we will have a very rich idea exchange participating here. I'm from México by the way, not the big chaotic Mexico city (la gran Tenochtitlán) but from northern semi desertic plains, land of never conquered Chichimecas. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 160604 FirstChildUserNameTAG: luisflores1961 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:46:20Z SecondChildTAG: So glad you wern't conquered! Smiles from Australia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:49:52Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm Gala, from Barcelona, Spain. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1183483 FirstChildUserNameTAG: galamilenkovic FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:58:51Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Armenia!! glad to be here~ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 966434 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mashok FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:01:15Z SecondChildTAG: great to see a peer from Armenia. first thought am alone;) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1017372 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ruzan SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T17:07:36Z FirstChildTAG: YAY!!! this is exciting! Heralding from the middle of nowhere in America. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 925287 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zimia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:49:46Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone! Another Costa Rican joining. Greetings to all of you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 931932 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Maria66 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:19:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hello!! (from Austin, Texas) <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:08:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hola to everybody!!! from Málaga(Spain). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 950599 FirstChildUserNameTAG: germanius FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T23:02:39Z FirstChildTAG: Hi,every body. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1112431 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mostafig FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T07:46:30Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, here from Dordrecht in the Netherlands Looking forward to the 13th of March FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1264671 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kershes FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T10:55:53Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, Alejandra from Costa Rica, looking forward to start learning FirstChildUserIdTAG: 26776 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aleguillen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T20:38:47Z FirstChildTAG: greetings from Armenia! nice to meet you all here and looking forward to the this new experience;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017372 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ruzan FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T16:57:12Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from San Diego, CA Can't wait to learn with each of you :D What a wonderful international group. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1221837 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Heinous FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:58:28Z FirstChildTAG: Hey!!! yo tambien soy de Guatemala! q genial fue encontrar a alguien mas del mismo pais! un abrazo!! =) espero q sigamos en contacto! =) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1104996 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Tefis555 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T05:22:34Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Vietnam! I'm Vy! Wish all of us will have a wonderful course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1316487 FirstChildUserNameTAG: thuyvy97 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T16:49:46Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from San Francisco Bay Area, California, USA - one more point on the globe to bring us all together! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1346714 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HBean FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T18:15:05Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from NYC FirstChildUserIdTAG: 244430 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JennRC FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T03:42:55Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Greetings from Canada. I am Japanese but currently live in Canada. Could someone tell me how I can find out which discussion group (cohorts) I have been assigned to? Or, do I join any group? Thank you. Kaoru FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T17:41:14Z FirstChildTAG: Hello World from Cambridgeshire, UK! Can't wait to get my hands on the course books! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1396285 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Phorcys FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T14:15:59Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings fr VietNam :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1038912 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hoaithu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T04:32:23Z FirstChildTAG: hey hey hey! Nice to meet you all, let me introduce, I am stenly from Indonesia. I hope we can be a good team and family in this international courses FirstChildUserIdTAG: 868324 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ericstenly FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T04:25:22Z IndexTAG: 57 TitleTAG: certificate-seeker Hi! Your write: "To be a certificate seeker, simply complete all the assessments and quizzes in a satisfactory manner by June 26th. You are also free to change your mode of participation from “explorer” to “certificate-seeker” **or the other way around**. You can change from one mode to another ..." Where I can do it? UserIdTAG: 972496 UserNameTAG: ABARIS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T11:58:20Z VoteTAG:5 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_Questions NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I've also been looking for that option. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895328 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LaGue FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T13:52:15Z FirstChildTAG: I am also looking for this information as I would like to ensure that I am participating as a "certificate-seeker" and not an "explorer" (although the option is a great one, it reinforces a positive learning environment for everyone). Any information that one of the staff could provide about where these settings are located would be of great help. TIA. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1002037 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SRoss FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T18:19:53Z IndexTAG: 58 TitleTAG: Νομιμόφρων Σωκράτης ή αντεξουσιάστρια Αντιγόνη; Πώς απαντάμε στο αιώνιο δίλημμα και τί προκρίνουμε ανάμεσα στην ηρωϊκή μέχρι θανάτου νομιμοφροσύνη του Σωκράτη, απέναντι στην ηρωϊκή μέχρι θανάτου αντεξουσιαστική εμμονή στο φυσικό δίκαιο της Αντιγόνης; Νόμος ή Ελευθερία; Πού η χρυσή τομή; Τί είδους ηρωισμό πρέπει να αναζητούμε στην Ελληνική Δημοκρατία του 21ου αιώνα; Τον ηρωισμό ενός χαρισματικού Μεγαλέξανδρου που με το σπαθί του επιβάλλει τη βούληση του στα πέρατα της οικουμένης, ή μήπως τον ηρωισμό της ατομικής ευθύνης ενός εκάστου πολίτη που απροσκύνητος κι αξιοπρεπής αρνείται να κύψει την κεφαλή στις αυθεντίες και τους αυθέντες, που πιστεύει όχι στην άνωθεν υπεροχή του ενός, αλλά στο ένδοθεν συλλογικό μεγαλείο των πολλών, και επιμένει να υπηρετεί τα ιδεώδη της δημοκρατίας και του φιλελευθερισμού ενάντια στο κύμμα οργής και εκφασισμού, ανεξάρτητα από την κρίση; Κάποιες παραπέρα σκέψεις προς συζήτηση και γνωριμία: [Η Διαβρωτική Εμμονή για Χαρισματικούς Ηγέτες][1] [Δημοκρατικός Φιλελευθερισμός: Η εξισορρόπιση των δικαίων του ατόμου απέναντι στην τυραννία της πλειοψηφίας][2] [Η Γυναίκα Προμαχώνας του Φιλελευθερισμού μεταξύ Δύσης και Ανατολής][3] [1]: http://anileos.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/blog-post_27.html [2]: http://anileos.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/blog-post_22.html [3]: http://anileos.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/blog-post_20.html UserIdTAG: 1256700 UserNameTAG: PanagiotisPerysinakis CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T11:18:15Z VoteTAG:5 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi Panagioti! Really interesting what you mention, especially for all of us who live in the confusing Greek reality. However, don't you think that you should use the contemporary "lingua franca" (ie English) to allow our friends from all over the world to speak their mind? Anyway we are all classmates in the same "globalized" class. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1340174 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Dimitra_21 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T13:20:58Z SecondChildTAG: ..good point! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1258145 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nedolu SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:02:52Z SecondChildTAG: I hope the use of Greek will not be misinterpreted as arrogant or thoughtless. It is not out of difference for the Greek language that I wrote the above in Greek, rather I was self conscious of the fact that the particular comment was more relevant to the Greek audience, especially as the further references are also in Greek. But I am glad to continue in English. After all we are guests in this wonderful forum and we should respect the hospitality extended so graciously to us all. So, I take your comment, with thanks. Χαιρετισμούς, Π. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1256700 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PanagiotisPerysinakis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T18:54:32Z SecondChildTAG: oh good)) thank you SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1311236 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Katyaso SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T12:18:03Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Panagioti, I find your post very interesting. I agree with Dimitra 21 for one more reason. It seems that you can use both languages very well. So would be nice to share your thoughts and ideas with all the co-students. I visited your blog and I have become one of its followers. I must admit that I feel more secure speaking and listening my native language. I also think that it is easier for me to express my thoughts and feelings more accurately into it. Τώρα ως προς την ουσία του μηνύματός σου πιστεύω ότι το ερώτημα που θέτεις, κατά την άποψή μου, θα μπορούσε να μην έχει διαζευκτική μορφή αλλά συμπληρωματική, διότι αν οι πολίτες είχαν τα στοιχεία που περιγράφεις στο δεύτερο μέρος,θα μπορούσαν να αναδείξουν το χαρισματικό ηγέτη και μαζί να προχωρήσουν. Ο νόμος δεν είναι απαραίτητα στον αντίποδα της ελευθερίας. Το πρόβλημα, θεωρώ, είναι η κύηση,η γέννηση και η εφαρμογή του νόμου. I have also started a blog (erethismata.blogspot.com) but I haven't posted for some time. George FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305880 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gemou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T18:19:04Z IndexTAG: 59 TitleTAG: The Pace of Life Hello! My name is Jessica Funa. It is nice to meet your acquaintance. After watching the uploaded videos, a thought occurred to me. The way one paces himself/herself in life depends on the kind of culture he/she is raised in. Being an International Business major, I would love to learn more about the background of Greece. Historically what was Greece like during the time of worshiping gods? What influenced them to write such literature works? Surely, the Muse was not their only form of inspiration. Also the statement of reading slowly. Slowing down, taking everything in stride. One would gain a better appreciation for what one does. But the thought of "slowing down" goes against the very fiber of being American. We, Americans, want everything in an instant. It is proven we are not the most patient of people. On the other hand, different nations take life at a much slower pace than us. The Japanese have not only a great virtue of honor, but patience as well. Then other nations may vary from both of those two. At what pace do Greeks take life? Past, present doesn't matter. History influences the present as much as what happens right now. I noticed that we have a worldwide range of students. So please feel free to mention about your individual pace of life. Introduce yourself. Comment, answer, question. Let's pick at each others' minds! UserIdTAG: 1236629 UserNameTAG: Jessica_Funa CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T15:19:32Z VoteTAG:5 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: This has my mind buzzing. I don't know anything of the pace of life in Greece over history, or even now, but my personal feeling is that the increased pace of life today is actually unhealthy and far from racing us towards fulfillment, it is displacing us from what really matters and many of those things that really matter are the simplest of activities. A fast paced, productive workforce might be great for this current model of capitalism (which is in dire need of an overhaul) but not ideal for the spiritual growth and happiness of individuals. I live in London, I'm surrounded by people caught up in the 'rat race' who wake up at 5am, travel to work in crammed, uncompromising tubes, sit chained to a desk all day, rush home at 7pm, bung a nutritiously defunct convenience meal in the microwave then collapse on their sofas to watch mind-numbing trash on their tv or binge drink to escape their misery. There's no stopping for deep reflection, it's all relentless and often hollow activity. At 25 I chose to step away from this. These days I wake up according to the rhythms of my own body, my first priority is being out in the park for fitness and the simple and inspiring joys of nature which often help me with ideas...I then work from home or attend meetings in town. I work on things that I love. I choose to earn just enough money so that I can live within my means and have the freedom of time to follow ideas, sate my curious mind, undertake courses like this, cook healthy meals from scratch etc. Since doing this, I'm a lot happier. Life is beautiful in the slow lane but I'm very lucky...I'm single, I've dealt with my significant student debt and I'm without kids...I have so much more to say on this but I have to head out. I'm very interested to hear about the pace in Ancient Greece too - and how other people feel about their own pace of life these days... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 999507 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JenRoberts FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T22:18:40Z SecondChildTAG: Jen, your life sounds quite fascinating! I am just starting out in college, and I am very much conflicted on whether to live at a slower pace where I can actually appreciate what goes on, or continue my pursuit in a business career where I will most likely get caught up in the hustle and bustle of career life. Then I think about achieving my goal in life: "To achieve true happiness." Happiness that is not just temporary but happiness that impacts in such a way that you are completely content with the way you are living. Perhaps that is in some way what you call achieving Nirvana. So the toughest question to answer is what will make one happy? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1236629 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jessica_Funa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T17:06:10Z FirstChildTAG: If there's a better way to catch the feeling of that pace than getting out on the ocean in a sailing vessel, I don't know what it could be. Being out on a sea-state 4 or 5 stormy night, it's just hard not to give the sea a name and to think of it as a living thing that is restless, moving, working. On a gorgeous, bright day with the sea laid before as a vast, welcoming vista... I could never resist the primal urge to hail Poseidon and thank Him for the gift of passage over his Kingdom. Feeling so incredibly small in both cases also brought a heroic feeling in moving forward anyway, I must admit. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1230416 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ccsysd05 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T11:59:22Z SecondChildTAG: Wow! Are you recalling from your previous experiences at sea? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1236629 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jessica_Funa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T17:07:05Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks Jessica for starting this string. This such a thought provoking concept. Unlike JenRoberts I, personally cannot help but get caught up with the hustles and bustles of daily life. I need to provide for my family and to take care for my patients. But I do keep a "me-time" usually late at night when I spend quite time by myself, reading a good book or creating my own composition. May the ancients guide us in discovering and enjoying the real meaning of this life. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 408651 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Drdanilofuna FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T07:04:58Z SecondChildTAG: "The goal in life is to give life meaning." SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1236629 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jessica_Funa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T17:07:53Z IndexTAG: 60 TitleTAG: Greetings from Thessaloniki, Greece Hi everyone! My name is Athanasia and i already have a degree in ancient Greek literature! I'm looking forward to see how other folks understand the Greek Heroes! UserIdTAG: 957633 UserNameTAG: Nasia1989 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T20:56:45Z VoteTAG:5 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 61 TitleTAG: Hello From Howard in Boston Let me begin by saying how much I am looking forward to taking my first edX class. I have completed several classes offered by Coursera and enjoyed them greatly. Profile wise, I am a retired 68 (69 in less than a month ) year old male living in a suburb north of Boston. Spent my working life in the IT field. Yes, I know how to work an IBM 029 keypunch machine and can still read a Hollerith card in binary. Mornings are devoted to yoga and afternoons to MOOC. My wife referred to hereafter as "The Coed" and I participate jointly in the MOOC world. MOOC courses have enriched our lives and made our retirement far more interesting and rewarding. UserIdTAG: 230200 UserNameTAG: Renfield CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:46:12Z VoteTAG:5 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Salam from Algeria. this is my first edx class too. I hope we will enjoy and profit from it all. The best of luck FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1035640 FirstChildUserNameTAG: miliani FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T17:40:14Z FirstChildTAG: HOWARD-GREETINGS FROM AMESBURY I'm also retired-at the tender age of 66. This will be my first edX class and actually my first on line class. It sounds like you have enjoyed the on line learning experience. I hope for the same. Jack FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1117342 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jack1946 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T18:06:41Z FirstChildTAG: This is my first online class. I'm really looking forward to it. I live a small city in Mexico called San luis Potosí. I have a degree in literature and linguistics. Nice to meet you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1160930 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AdrianaPalomino FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T18:53:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to my husband. I'm sure we will enjoy having a glass a wine and discussing Greek Heroes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 230204 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KBrooks FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T00:07:05Z FirstChildTAG: Coed as in MIT? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T02:42:04Z IndexTAG: 62 TitleTAG: Which Greek Hero are we? So, seeing the Professor's email, it seems like we've already been broken up into our respective 1000-person cohorts. I don't see where it say which Hero we are, does anyone have any idea? It also makes me curious just how many Heroes we have (ie how many thousands of people) who have signed up for the course. Looking forward to some interesting readings and engaging conversations! UserIdTAG: 986728 UserNameTAG: Redtooth CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:26:58Z VoteTAG:5 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 9 FirstChildTAG: Yes , we will just have to wait, I ran through all the items and couldn't find the name. I suppose that they will advise us soon enough. There are many ancient Greek heroes, we could be anyone from Achilles, Promotheus, Hercules (Heracles) Ulysses and so on. I am curious to see if the course will open up a discussion of female Greek heroes, such as Antigone. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:37:30Z SecondChildTAG: I believe that this is not about a specific Greek hero but for the concept of being a "hero" as understood in the ancient greek society. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:56:55Z SecondChildTAG: thank god I not the only one who is looking for it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:41:35Z SecondChildTAG: Hi everyone, I also wondered about it, guess I'm just curious ;) I could'nt find either the info, so, wait and see! Looking forward to learn and meet other students! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1179264 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Andrea1976 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T10:31:34Z FirstChildTAG: I was curious about that as well! Can't find it tho :( FirstChildUserIdTAG: 983870 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MdeVolder FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:58:04Z FirstChildTAG: hi Redtooth.I think nowadays we have to be like Ulysses:logic,calm,examined many and different options,a person who really wants to arrive at Ithaca, sooner or later..*άνδρας πολυμήχανος και πολύτροπος* as Homer says in Greek.I think this icon must be in our minds. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1135146 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nemfelonis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:58:27Z FirstChildTAG: The forum of AI: https://www.edx.org/courses/BerkeleyX/CS188.1x/2012_Fall/discussion/forum This: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum#i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/511d6b23a92aae250000015c We have a forum number. Therefore this is the cohort forum. We just have to find out the name. Edit: I made a try with Aiax. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:53:35Z SecondChildTAG: i4x. Aias? Or was it just a random sequence? With such little excerpt, eh? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:04:59Z SecondChildTAG: Er, don't even really know how they write them in English, let alone the funny English pronounciation of Greek names. That's what I thought, actually: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_(mythology) . SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:10:18Z SecondChildTAG: Clever strategy! I really want to know which group I'm in, too. :) I changed the i4x part of the URL to Achilles and then Odysseus, and they led me back to this forum, with the same discussion threads. So I'm thinking this is the whole class right now, and we haven't been "sorted" yet. Also, my mom and I signed up at different times, yet we can both see the same threads; so we were thinking maybe they'll sort us into Hero groups once they know how many people they have. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 913058 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Prosody SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:32:41Z SecondChildTAG: Heh, I tried with Wotan, who is German, not Greek, the correction was 0t4n and it worked the same way. :D I guess the software is in progress yet. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T06:14:47Z FirstChildTAG: ***what a bout Hercules! amazing right...;)*** FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1191023 FirstChildUserNameTAG: masar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:53:59Z FirstChildTAG: Undoubteldly, Oedipus King is a hero that I could face in front of my mirror pretty often... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1258243 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Myrtida FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T16:27:04Z FirstChildTAG: Undoubteldly,Antigone is one of the most dramatic female Greek heroes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1270507 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CHIOTINI FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:18:30Z FirstChildTAG: Redtooth, I was wondering the same. I didnt find the heroe name and how (if we can) could see the general group with all students. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T00:11:59Z FirstChildTAG: Click in the box at the top of the posts (to the left of these posts), and choose "Get to Know Your Cohort"--you'll see only posts from fellow cohortors . . . and find out how you're cohorted! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1373736 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DanWallaceMA FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T04:15:01Z IndexTAG: 63 TitleTAG: Study Group in Portuguese (Grupo de Estudos em Português) Fizemos o nosso grupo de estudo em Português pra compartilharmos as traduções de textos, discussões sobre as pautas, comentários, dúvidas e links. https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/ Sejam Bem Vindos! UserIdTAG: 1138702 UserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:41:54Z VoteTAG:5 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: Bacana. Parabéns pela iniciativa. Maria Alves FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1025883 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maria_alves FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:42:34Z FirstChildTAG: Brasileiros são mesmo experts nas redes sociais... ;) Será que tem como divulgar esse grupo além do post aqui? Presumo que serão muitas mensagens e também muita gente matriculada. Tem MOOC por aí no Coursera com 100 mil alunos. Podemos também adicionar o link para o grupo nas nossas postagens, como uma assinatura (apesar de que acho que vai precisar ser manual). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 FirstChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:50:17Z SecondChildTAG: Descobri: votem lá no quadradinho ao lado do título do post, que ele sobe na lista. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 SecondChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:02:40Z FirstChildTAG: Parabéns pela iniciativa. Vou votar também pra deixar o post tunado! Abraços a todos! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1092189 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ferreiraphs FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:20:32Z FirstChildTAG: Que ideia ótima! Legal ver tantos brasileiros por aqui. Abraços de SP! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1007698 FirstChildUserNameTAG: isaprospero FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:59:03Z FirstChildTAG: Gente, os brasileiros estão dispersos em várias postagens por aqui. Mas divulguem o link, quanto mais gente, melhor serão as nossas experiências. Ah.. e **votem no +** lá em cima, assim a postagem sobe e fica nos primeiros lugares. https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:25:21Z FirstChildTAG: Nao participarei pois tenho interesse em aperfeicoar meu ingles, no entando acho valida a iniciativa, parabens. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1140482 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DeaFonseca FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T07:09:21Z IndexTAG: 64 TitleTAG: Question Set Issue Resolved Dear Participants, Thank you for reporting the issue with Question Set 4, problems 2 and 3. The issue stemmed from the comma-delimited series in one of the options on each question (e.g., "he is young, very beautiful, and half-divine"). The platform did not know how to parse the responses appropriately with those commas present, so they have been removed. While this will make for a more awkward reading of the answer choices, it should result in a properly-working assessment.Thank you for your patience! UserIdTAG: 615718 UserNameTAG: jeffemanuel CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T14:50:44Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: For us who have answered correctly but the system locked them as incorrect there will be some error recovery or will remain wrong? Thank you. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1419978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Christiana22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T15:07:27Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Christiana22, Don't worry about losing points over the technical glitch. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 615718 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T15:29:18Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Claudia Re: Hour4 QuestionSet Question# 3 I checked but the answer is still marked wrong and the answer box is blank, as if I did not answer the question although I checked off the right answer. So, I think there is still a glitch in the system. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T15:54:12Z SecondChildTAG: Hi karou9282, I noticed from your comment in another thread that you initially submitted your answers prior to the fix. Is that correct? If so, they won't be retroactively changed to the green check mark. However, as noted above, don't worry about losing points due to the technical glitch. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 615718 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T16:52:40Z SecondChildTAG: I'm in the same boat; so, why shouldn't we "worry"? If it won't be retroactively changed to "the green check mark" it seems there is plenty to worry about. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 902886 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Wayne23 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T00:51:44Z SecondChildTAG: Since you are after points, I assume you are after the certificate? I remember reading that you would be given a certificate if you improved over the length of course. So, I assume that if you maybe start out out strongly (or weakly) for the first hour and then encounter a glitch in the program or your understanding that gives you a relatively low mark, it still will not be detrimental, UNLESS you do not try to improve that grade over the course. I assume the take the averages of small sections of hours, and see whether there is an increase over the course. At the end of the day, this course is not like most of the other, technical courses here. There are no real right and wrong answers, there are only varying shades of opinion and opportunities for refinement of thought. Points do not matter as much here, only the sincere attempt to improve. Good luck! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1168963 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jdry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T05:21:14Z SecondChildTAG: Oh! this is a very illuminating statement. Thank you. It will take the pressure off for some of us. Smiles, June SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T08:10:55Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Claudia, I have just finished the question set 4,in question no 3 i have answerd "young, half divine..", i clicked on final check but no mark appeared, so i clicked save, and there is a note saying "problem is closed".So i would like to ask you what does this note means?Thank you. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 935487 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aristeagr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T18:39:36Z FirstChildTAG: well I have know idea what you are talking about. I got it right so I hope that does not change. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T21:18:10Z FirstChildTAG: I had no problem in the question set ,but in the close reading exercise it showed all my answers as wrong and when I showed answers 3 of the 4 were correct. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1083548 FirstChildUserNameTAG: papatim FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T02:32:24Z IndexTAG: 65 TitleTAG: Progonolatry and Theomachy. Good day to all participants and staff of cb22x. I really to add under discussion 2 words that in my point of view will make more understandable the heroes that we try to learn about through the courses. I am guessing that these 2 words will be usefull to understand also the whole structure of ancient Greek civilazation.These 2 words are Progonolatry and Theomachy. I hope my English is right. Progonolatry means the worship of the ancestors. Progon means ancestor and latry-latria in Greek λατρεία means worship. As Plato said when they asked him why he worships the gods he answered that he worships them because his ancestors worship them and they were wiser than him. So in few words ancient Greeks worshiped their grandfathers of grandfathers of grandfathers to the very beginning of their civilization. We see that Alexander the Great claims that from his mother heritage was from Achilles. He even worships Achilles tomb as to a God and take his arms for his campaign to the East. Alexander also believed that he was the son of Zeus instead of Philip the Macedon. In Egypt the priests named him son of Ammon Ra which in my opinion is Zeus himself. Of course in the Hellenistic era after Alexander there was the God Ammon Zeus. Alexander himself became God for many of the civilizations he conquered. Even today he is worship into the East with the name Iskender, Iskander, Sikander and in Quran as Zoul or Doul Carnein. This name means the man with the two horns. The horns that we all can see in Alexander’s coin of that age representing of course Zeus or son of Zeus. When Mohamed the conqueror wanted to add fame to the legend of George Kastriote the duke of Ipirus in order to expain why he couldn’t defeat him, he named him Iskender Bey. People of ancient Greece when they were theatai at theaters they believed as true and as a fact that Achilles was the son of Thetis and all the heroes were sons and daughters of the Gods. So the gods were respected in heroic age and ancient Greek age as Fathers and Mothers or Grandfathers and Grandmothers if you prefer. As a son pays respect to his father. But only if the Father is just. Dikaios and the word Dikaion that I would really want to discuss some other time. That brings me to the second word i mentioned in the beginning. Theomachy. Theos in Greek is God and machy in Greek is battle. So we talk about humans that fight Gods. Only in Greek civilization we find mortal humans that fight the Gods. But who are the Gods? They are uncles, fathers and grand fathers. When does a child do that to his ancestor? Only if he has a cause of justice (dikaion) and the Ancestor God try to stop him. We have the example of Diomedes in Iliad that I would be very glad to discuss it with all of you. I am ending my mail now and wait for your opinions about the two words that i think that will be very helpful to understand more about the acts, works and days of ancient Greek heroes. UserIdTAG: 1144927 UserNameTAG: Alexander_Se CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T17:11:42Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Dear Alexander_Se, your ideas are really interesting! True, ancient Greeks considered heroes as real, and as part of their history. You write that the gods were respected as Fathers and Mothers. My question is, did everyone consider the gods as his own distant ancestors? I think that only the heroes, and the kings could claim such an origin (to establish their power over the people, I suppose). What about Thucydides, for example? Do we have evidence from the texts for such argument? I am really interested to know! As for theomachy, my mind goes to Jacob, who was changed his name into Israel exactly because he fought with God (Genesis 32:28). Perhaps, the Mediterranean people shared certain traditions. Maybe Professor McGrath could help us here with the Indic epic, as well. What do the other students say about these? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T02:44:40Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Magdalini. We are not able to know if everyone in the ancient Greece believed that as true. I mean the common people. Secondly the philosophic ideas had a variety of opinions for this subject. About the Gods we can find Platos opinion and Aristotles and Epicuros and so on. Thucydides was the first historical that established historical reaserch. No gods help for winning just the right preparation. which is in fact true but we must not forget that presence of god we have in the eyes of soldiers and many years later. for example many times in konstantinople and thesaloniki on sieges by barbarians, turks and arabs. As for your example the case of Jacob is far from theomachy. I notice the example of Diomedes in Iliad. if you search it you will find out what really theomachy means. Its true that mediterranean people have common traditions. But thats the key point. where are they originated from? I hope to hear soon from you and others. The example of Alexander the Great is the most familiar in the historic ages that we know that he considered himself as son of Zeus and far grandson of Achilles from his mother side. The kingdom of Mollosoi in Epirus founded by his son and the wife of Hector. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1144927 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexander_Se SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T09:07:03Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Alexander, I am sorry for the delayed answer (many important things are happening at the same period). I really enjoy this discussion since I keep on learning new things, or at least I question my prior knowledge. I am stuck to this notion of theomachy, which I find fascinating. In the Bible, could Pharao's obstinate refusal to free the Hebrews be a kind of theomachy? It is not as direct as Diomedes' attack against Ares, but still, I think, it is man against god. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T01:49:31Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Magdalini & Alexander, these are interesting questions that you raise. Certainly, for the classical Greeks, communities very often considered that their ancestral progenitors were the Heroes. You will see this when we read Pindar. These ancestral heroes were local and possessed strong terrestrial connection with specific landscapes, islands, &c. Alexander is somewhat unique! Certainly in the Indic world of bronze age antiquity there was a strong and definite lineage, concerning the clans, primarily with the heroes and secondarily with divinities: the distinction was often not so firm though - between the divine and heroic - and these two categories merged. Even today, where I do fieldwork, there is a clan who consider themselves descended from the heroic charioteer, who later became a divinity, Krsna. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T12:15:40Z SecondChildTAG: I would like to know if there were cases of Theomachy in other cultures. I feel that certain motifs are repeated, or shared among various cultures. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T01:35:00Z FirstChildTAG: there is a certain amount of risk in raising these questions for discussion, in that, at the moment, we are following a certain line of enquiry with Dr. Nagy, and too many diversions may dissolve parts of the course into diversions from this central argument. I would myself prefer to wait until I felt that I had the complete and central arguement before going into alternative issues. wh FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 FirstChildUserNameTAG: whaskett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T16:18:55Z IndexTAG: 66 TitleTAG: Scroll I This is not as deeply academic as some of you but what caught my attention in fast reading of Scroll 1 was the extremely accurate description of how they made harbor when they returned Chryseis - it could only have been created by one who was very very familiar with the sea and boats - [430] Meanwhile Odysseus reached Khrysē with the hecatomb. When they had come inside the harbor they furled the sails and laid them in the ship's hold; they slackened the forestays, lowered the mast into its place, 
[435] and rowed the ship to the place where they would have her lie; there they cast out their mooring-stones and made fast the hawsers. Aside from creating a very graphic image of their activities, this can lead us to recognizing how much being on the water was part of their lives - this description is of an activity which has the importance of, for instance, in later years a description of getting off your horse and leading it to water and removing its saddle. A clearly defined, well-understood activity with which all were familiar and comfortable. UserIdTAG: 1387083 UserNameTAG: RettaB CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T17:21:53Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hello RettaB, During my holiday on Cyprus, I saw some of these (pre-) historic mooring stones at Girne Castle. Here my explanation (but I am not an archaeologist, so maybe someone else can add information): If the anchors have one hole, they functioned through their weight on rocky bottoms, while, when the lower part has two smaller holes, they functioned as combined anchors. Was the seabed sandy, then the smaller holes were used to insert wooden pegs, for improved holding capacity. ![enter image description here][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13638901571343609.jpg *When they had brought the things as he told them, dear son of Odysseus, Telemakhos went on board, Athena going before him and taking her seat in the stern of the vessel, while Telemakhos sat beside her. Then the men loosed the hawsers and took their places on the benches.* *Owl-vision Athena sent them a fair wind from the West, that whistled over the deep blue waves whereon Telemakhos told them to catch hold of the ropes and hoist sail, and they did as he told them.* *They set the mast in its socket in the cross plank, raised it, and made it fast with the forestays; then they hoisted their white sails aloft with ropes of twisted ox-hide. As the sail bellied out with the wind, the ship flew through the deep blue water, and the foam hissed against her bows as she sped onward.* *Then they made all fast throughout the ship, filled the mixing-bowls to the brim, and made drink offerings to the immortal gods that are from everlasting, but more particularly to the owl-vision daughter of Zeus. Thus, then, the ship sped on her way through the watches of the night from dark till dawn.* Odyssey, scroll 2, 418-34 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rien FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T18:34:20Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for those terrific pictures! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1387083 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RettaB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T21:28:36Z FirstChildTAG: In general, technical details in both Homeric epics are extremely exact. Nautical usage, armoury, metallurgy, textiles, &c. These small frames supply the poetry with a profoundly 'realistic' and temporal quality and are in strong counterpoint to the more divine or magical elements of the poems. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T18:46:22Z SecondChildTAG: Exactly one of my points - the audience/spectators would be totally drawn into the orator's narrative by the attention to such familiar and picturesque details. My other point was that this shows how important boats were and therefore how disastrous burning them would be. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1387083 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RettaB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T21:31:52Z FirstChildTAG: Info and description was very helpful, thank you FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1365903 FirstChildUserNameTAG: lisawiggs FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T20:20:45Z IndexTAG: 67 TitleTAG: Greetings from Ontario, Canada! I haven't been a student in a long time :) Excited to participate in this course! UserIdTAG: 983366 UserNameTAG: sglenesk CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T14:40:11Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 13 FirstChildTAG: Snap. I'm 74. Dan At Ely (UK) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 217115 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DanAtEly FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T14:53:11Z SecondChildTAG: Awesome! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134053 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KPatricia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T00:50:18Z FirstChildTAG: I will be in Ontario in three weeks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1345994 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AngelaCh FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T20:09:22Z FirstChildTAG: I'm in London, Ontario. Dave Mann FirstChildUserIdTAG: 936089 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DMannIT FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T22:46:17Z FirstChildTAG: Toronto, here (but from Nova Scotia). Howdy fellow Ontarians, and Canadians! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 455914 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Methos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T03:50:11Z FirstChildTAG: Out in Mississauga here. It is nice to see that 500+ Canadians are enrolled! Mike FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1350404 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MSY_Canada FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:34:13Z SecondChildTAG: I'm also from Mississauga!I wonder how many of the course members hail from our little city SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1123498 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PyrrhicPyre SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T16:37:16Z FirstChildTAG: Nice to meet so many fellow Canadians. I'm from northern Ontario but now live in New Hampshire. Just spent my vacation in Hamilton enjoying the snow. Victoria FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1203197 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VictoriaMar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:20:25Z SecondChildTAG: What town in NH? My gf lives in Lebanon. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1131591 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ILHafnium SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:05:46Z FirstChildTAG: Hello I live in Toronto, and it is a great pleasure to see so many like minded individuals from the country and region as I. Chris FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1130433 FirstChildUserNameTAG: christosKay FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T10:22:31Z FirstChildTAG: Hi All! Winnipegger, now living in Waterloo! Nice to meet ya! It would be great if we could have our own lil sub-group--Canadian team work etc hehe Looking forward to entering this sure to be interesting & eye-opening adventure with you! Cheers, Erin FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895286 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Retrokitten FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T17:13:12Z FirstChildTAG: I'm in Ontario, too. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1322353 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ShanMonster FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T19:59:36Z SecondChildTAG: I'm also from Ontario! Ancaster to be exact! I'm excited to be a part of these discussions! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 968463 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LindseyVeeRN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T20:17:33Z FirstChildTAG: Nice to meet you all. I'm an Ontarian (from Waterloo) living in Japan. I look forward to getting to work with you! Joy FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1326251 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JoyousSmith FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:07:08Z FirstChildTAG: It's nice to see all these folks from the province. Just a question: How many of you are in high school? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1123498 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PyrrhicPyre FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T16:38:49Z FirstChildTAG: How did you find out how many Canadians were taking the course. I'm from On too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1109536 FirstChildUserNameTAG: chaykatoo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T14:15:04Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone I am from Manitoba (and still living in Manitoba). I am originally from Japan and so that makes me ESL. Nice to know there are so many Canadians taking this course. Anyone else from Manitoba? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1372897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kaoru9282 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T15:51:53Z IndexTAG: 68 TitleTAG: "Living your Myth" Καλησπέρα to all of you from the sunny Greece. I hope that during our courses we will detect the way to overcome ourselves, following the paradigm of the ancient Greek Heroes. Have a nice Sunday afternoon! Athanasia UserIdTAG: 1345626 UserNameTAG: athanasia_k CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T11:51:14Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 69 TitleTAG: Greetings from Thessaloniki Exciting! A great challenge! Lets go for it! Many greetings from Thessaloniki, Greece UserIdTAG: 1332784 UserNameTAG: sofiasainti CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T11:45:47Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 70 TitleTAG: Greetings from the sea... Aloha All, I work on a Cruise Ship, so the Greek Hero is part of the folklore of the sea. I noticed how many folks are from all over, and how many are close to water! I wonder on this journey to understanding the Greek Hero, how many of us will find part of ourselves in the characters we study? Wouldn't that be cool, to find the Hero in ourselves? Smiles, Comickev UserIdTAG: 906282 UserNameTAG: ComicKev CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T17:27:10Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi ComicKev, how wonderful to think of reading the Odyssey on the sea! Thanks for enrolling!! Wishing you safe travels and a happy _nostos_. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:18:34Z IndexTAG: 71 TitleTAG: What course text are you most eager to read? What course text are you most eager to read and why? We'd love to hear from you! Reply below!! UserIdTAG: 1220983 UserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T12:16:07Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 28 FirstChildTAG: Of those I haven't previously read, I think Herodotus has to come first. I've been a fan of Thucydides for years and it's about time I got to know his predecessor. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T15:26:32Z SecondChildTAG: I would like to know more about the Homer texts, more than the superficial knowledge I have. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1419735 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Carter64 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T05:00:31Z SecondChildTAG: I want to learn well the Socratic method of making people hear his/her own thoughts. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 776654 SecondChildUserNameTAG: criscrac SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T00:43:46Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:05:20Z FirstChildTAG: Personally I'm looking forward to reading Homer's works in this class, because, although I have read them before, they still mystify & confuse me. I'm also excited to read works by authors I never heard of before reading the syllabus, such as Theognis of Megara. But most of all, at the risk of sounding like a wanna-be teacher's pet ;) if I had to choose one that I'm *most* eager to read, it's Professor Nagy's book-- h24h. Because I think it will be filled with very comprehensible/accessible yet penetrating insights about these ancient ideas. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1322199 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kistee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T17:12:58Z SecondChildTAG: I tried to find this e-book h24h but I couldn't, can anyone send me a link, please... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T09:01:51Z SecondChildTAG: It will be posted soon, we were told. When the course begins, I suppose. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T09:27:01Z SecondChildTAG: I think even before that... Stay tuned!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:20:43Z SecondChildTAG: I checked on Amazon and it hasn't been published yet. The book is set to be released on April 22, 2013. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 484339 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Koriru SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T17:37:50Z SecondChildTAG: I got it here: http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/fall2011_fas_dce/notes_fall11/NagyAncientGreekHero24Hours_first8hrs_2011-10-02.pdf I'm not sure if it's a complete version, but I've been reading it from the beginning while I wait for the staff to post the official document. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 996542 SecondChildUserNameTAG: WestonBecker SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T22:52:55Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for link SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1346784 SecondChildUserNameTAG: delphiniasalamin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T20:06:10Z SecondChildTAG: Another thanks for the link. As an ex-teacher, I do like to be somewhat prepared before a course starts. Fortunately I have a copy of the Iliad and two of the Odyssey for reference SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athene SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T16:23:25Z FirstChildTAG: I most want to read under direction and with some pressure to pay attention and to think. I think I have gotten mentally lazy and need outside discipline to focus my attention. Part of me hates to admit that this is the case and my self image is taking a beating, but this is an honest assessment and I am acting on it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T19:21:21Z SecondChildTAG: I think it's great that you are acknowledging it. Adults need continuing educational opportunities, it makes us better people. This course is offering a profound service to society at large, in that sense. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1322199 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Kistee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T02:57:52Z SecondChildTAG: Same here. It's always easier to get something done when there's a deadline around. Not my own deadlines, of course - they're too easy to push aside for "just a few days". SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T08:53:39Z SecondChildTAG: Indeed! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T09:08:17Z SecondChildTAG: That's a large part of why I signed up, too. I also find that learning is more fun when there are others to discuss things with, so an online course has more appeal to me than simply reading about the subject on my own from that perspective, as well. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1342867 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SoozB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T20:13:18Z FirstChildTAG: I think anything related to Socrates. I really admire this philosopher. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 909575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: allasobirova FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T01:03:08Z FirstChildTAG: I have read quite a bit of the anicent sources but I really want to read Plato. I find Plato a bit difficult to understand at times and hopefully by the end of this course, I will be able to gain a deeper understanding of his works. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 932815 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Athens71 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T03:25:47Z FirstChildTAG: I can't wait to read the tragedies of this course: Aeschylus' Oresteia Trilogy (Agamemnon, Libation-Bearers, and Eumenides); Sophocles' Oedipus at Colonus and Oedipus Tyrannos ("Oedipus Rex"); Euripides' Hippolytus and Bacchae; FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T09:09:27Z SecondChildTAG: Is it possible to provide us with the original ancient texts, because I think it would help a lot, especially the Greeks.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T10:02:15Z SecondChildTAG: Hi sofiakam, can you access Perseus? If so, I think you can get the ancient Greek there: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/collection?collection=Perseus:collection:Greco-Roman. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:23:57Z SecondChildTAG: thank you!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T05:48:06Z FirstChildTAG: I'm eager to read the Homeric Iliad and Odyssey because those are most familiar for me. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 985170 FirstChildUserNameTAG: magnificath FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T09:25:46Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone!I am interested in Herodotus's works most of all. And can't wait for first lesson. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1335116 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lilyok FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T09:53:18Z FirstChildTAG: I'm looking forward to reading the *Iliad* again, as it is one of my favorite stories. However, I am an untutored reader of Homeric poetry, so I am looking forward to gaining much deeper insight and understanding through this course. I might also say that without this course, I doubt I would have had the opportunity. A deep bow to everyone who is making this learning possible. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1128876 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Myrmidon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T10:49:12Z FirstChildTAG: I'm actually keen on the one's I am already familiar with, because I hope to understand them much deeper: Iliad & Odyssey, the great tragedies (Aechylus, Sophocles, Euripides), Plato. Also, I have hardly read Herodotus or Thucydides yet and long to, since the whole issue of how to report on and view history (past and contemporary) is of major interest to me. History as perceived truth? As political propaganda? As an idealized model for didactic, religious or other purposes? But then, I'm also going to enjoy all the texts I know nothing about, so you can't really go wrong with me... :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T09:07:08Z FirstChildTAG: Theogonia should be very interesting in order to see how the world was formed in their opinion and then erga kai imere and see how both these works relate to the present day FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1329628 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KateKent FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T15:02:00Z FirstChildTAG: Looking at the syllabus, I'm interested in those things I haven't read before, e.g., Alcman's Partheneion and selections from Pausanias and Philostratus' On Heroes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1358744 FirstChildUserNameTAG: frostdavis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T16:58:52Z FirstChildTAG: I think I'm most interested in Herodotus. In my 'meandering secondary career' as an archivist, I've heard from the history students that Herodotus was both a great and terrible historian, and I'd like to read that. I'm also looking forward to diving into the Odyssey [again? I might have read part of it in High School]. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 902982 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ferthalangur FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T19:33:01Z FirstChildTAG: I would actually like to read Xenophon's anabasis. Very intrigued about the whole incident and want to compare it with modern warfare and survival. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 946860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gustane FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:19:49Z FirstChildTAG: Well, i haven't read the Homeric poems yet. When i was in high school, we used to study some parts of both the Homeric poems, but the way our professors looked upon them was rather poor than exciting. I am looking forward to study those two poems as a "slow reading artist" as professor Nagy mentioned on his video about understanding the Homeric Poems. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1267581 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Thodoras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T16:56:53Z SecondChildTAG: Yes , this is a great opportunity to read and learn SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999455 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T19:13:48Z FirstChildTAG: the Odyssey, it's been a very long time since I read it and I look forward to diving back into it FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T21:20:59Z FirstChildTAG: To quote Mr Heinland. I am but an egg. I am looking forward to perceiving these works as an ancient hero might have done. I read the Odyssey way back in Junior High. It was poetic and there was lots of suspense from what I recall. My favorite Greek Hero? I will be learning that in this class. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 263446 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Riverdaughter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T08:53:38Z FirstChildTAG: As a 'born in the wool' scientist with zilch humanities in my past, this is my first leap into something I have always wanted to do, born of a love of Greece and the Greek people. So any texts at all will be a delight! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1383321 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sunriseaura FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T18:07:48Z FirstChildTAG: Philostratus FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1187255 FirstChildUserNameTAG: johnnyb3 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T16:02:17Z FirstChildTAG: I'm most anxious to read the Iliad and the Odyssey. Many of the books in my personal literary canon reference, allude to, and reformulate the major themes in in these ancient texts. Additionally, I am fascinated by the pervasive themes in Greek literature: the epic and tragedy. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 760136 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KRYPTIK FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T04:43:21Z FirstChildTAG: I am very curious about all the works that are to be read in the class, but I am most intrigued by the Iliad and the Odyssey, because I read them many years (in a hurry during my bus&tunnel commute back and forth into NYC). And reflections upon the wonders within those epics still resonate with an undying luster like precious gems and metals in my imagination. Afterwards I was also intrigued by how Virgil rallied for Rome in response to the Homerics with the Aenied - with Rome having its roots in Troy, once the Etruscan King was unseated. Of course I took this to be fiction, but it's definitely cool. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1246056 FirstChildUserNameTAG: neil923 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T02:24:43Z FirstChildTAG: Most of these texts are Greek and Latin to me. For the moment, the Homeric poetry which I am quite familiar with, would be my first choice. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1264317 FirstChildUserNameTAG: arunatt FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T21:17:32Z FirstChildTAG: Eager for each one; have been peeking at each this past hour. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1396705 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DrYiaYia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T02:28:16Z FirstChildTAG: I've never read a single word of Iliad & Odyssey. So I'm very much curious about this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1087507 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nodee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T03:30:58Z FirstChildTAG: I think I am most eager to read the poems of Sappho.I have never read anything by her before. I think I have read at least some portions of most of the rest of the works we will be studying. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1304515 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SuzieReid FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T05:32:13Z FirstChildTAG: For me, it's the Oresteia Trilogy. I read it years ago as a student, and have followed the characters down through the ages in various works of literature to modern times. For me it's the work where the great themes we humans wrestle with resonate the loudest. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1380944 FirstChildUserNameTAG: virginiab13 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T08:36:36Z FirstChildTAG: I'm eager to read all of them. *shrugs* Courses like this have been described as "Bookworm Catnip" in regards to my reading habits. I've been known to live in the library (read: air conditioning in a region where 90% of the houses don't have it) during the summers--one year I went through all the exploration literature I could find. Another year I went through all the mystery books. Then all the classic English works....... Reading is my go-to form of entertainment. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1393744 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AmandaBrainard FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T16:29:55Z IndexTAG: 72 TitleTAG: difficulty with large number of comments It takes forever for the comments to the welcome from Prof. Nagy to download on my computer and Safari just crashes on my iPad when I try. Is there a way to limit the number of comments to a particular post? I don't mean limit participation, but to break the comments into more manageable chunks. UserIdTAG: 161978 UserNameTAG: PriscillaN CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T17:24:33Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Agreed - I'm having this problem too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1255238 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AAV100 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T10:24:39Z FirstChildTAG: It is a big problem. I wonder, rather than limiting the number of comments per post, if it wouldn't be better to have categories - such as General Discussion, Specific Text Discussion, Suggested Alternative Resources, Potential Errors, and so on (including Greetings of course!). It doesn't seem to be something we students can do - so what about it Course Team? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 20879 FirstChildUserNameTAG: forevergreen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T09:51:25Z SecondChildTAG: Any way at all of dividing the comments would help. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T22:24:43Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention! We are working on resolving this issue!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T17:20:06Z FirstChildTAG: With my iPad I can see 100 comments, but not 120. The increase in the comments in the cohort message made that clear. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T05:23:41Z IndexTAG: 73 TitleTAG: What everyone expects to get out of this course? Greetings from cloudy London, UK. I am excited I have the opportunity to study this course and I am really surprised so many people and with so varied backgrounds are interested in it as well. I am Greek and even though my studies have been in Economics and Management, I have always been fascinated by the ancient world in general and ancient Greece in particular. One key objective for me is to address how social norms affect not only the notion of hero/ism, but also one's inclination to act heroically. I have the impression (and that's purely an impression rather than a view founded on through studying) that the way we view societies and our role in them has a big impact on our willingness to do something heroic for the social good. At the other end of the spectrum (and maybe co-existing to some extend) maybe purely individualistic motives (e.g. for one's name to be eternally famous). I don't know where the truth lies, but the pursue of that truth is what made me enrol to this course. I would be interested in finding out what were the motives of others. Wishes for all of us to enjoy this course and get what we want out of it. Alexandros UserIdTAG: 1297505 UserNameTAG: ialexandros CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T10:13:59Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Hi fellow cohorts. I am a writer, based between Bali and Melbourne, Australia. I am excited about taking The Ancient Greek Hero as I've been wishing to write a play set on the night of the Hermes, in Athens, and this is the best way to do research. It looks as if our cohorts may be larger than some ancient Greek armies! cheers Liz FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1181987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LizinBali FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T11:25:56Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I'm a writer too and my interest has, in part, to do with the wish to study the greatest masters storytelling. But, as Hannah Arendt said, humanity invented storytelling in order not to leave the last word to the gods. I have always considered stories as our unique way of reflecting on the meaning of life, on ethics, and on deciding what the right thing to do is at every moment. I am particularly inspired by the Greek myths, legends, literature and heroes because they are devoid of the usual deeply religious aspects of the stories of books such as the Bible, the Coran, etc. This is so even of Greek theatre, which was originally, as far as i know, a religious orat least sacral experience. I hope we examine all these issues deeper during the course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T14:01:04Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Alexandro's and fellow writers, I am also a writer who uses Greek mythology and history in my stories. For me personally it's about gaining a deeper understanding. Looking forward to chatting. Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T04:07:30Z FirstChildTAG: Seems like all the mega hollywood movies today reflect serious,labor intensive research into themes we will be pursuing in this venture. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 FirstChildUserNameTAG: photon101a FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T04:16:43Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm from the Philippines and like you, have a background in Economics. However, I am also very interested in the humanities and literature. On my first year of college, I was introduced to The Iliad and since then I have been fascinated by the concept of the hero, the Greek values and how it is passed on along generations, and how these beliefs are embedded in so many ways in different societies. I look forward to learning with you! Teresa FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1098885 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tetrivera FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T13:19:10Z IndexTAG: 74 TitleTAG: this is absolutely insanely beautiful!! :) seeing you from all over the world signing up for this is just.. insanely beautiful!! a new world. can't wait to see how it goes. hello to all from san francisco! UserIdTAG: 1294000 UserNameTAG: wmorgan CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T06:45:54Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I agree! it's going to change education, and therefore the world :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T13:16:02Z FirstChildTAG: My husband is currently doing his PhD in educational technology and I can really see how MOOCs will change education. Brick and mortar institutions have an opportunity to modernize and to complement their on campus offerings. Meanwhile, lifelong learners can rejoice :) I'm really looking forward to this. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1296837 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AshleyRichards FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T17:00:22Z IndexTAG: 75 TitleTAG: Καλησπερα απο Αθηνα(Περιστερι) Καλησπερα καλως σας βρηκα!! UserIdTAG: 1270749 UserNameTAG: GiannisTs CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:21:55Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 22 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Athens...!!! Afroditi FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1289953 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AFROFOU FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:27:57Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Kefalonia!!!!Giannis SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1257542 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IoanPapa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T13:16:24Z FirstChildTAG: helloooooo.....:-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1269121 FirstChildUserNameTAG: 91KONSTANTINOS91 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:26:49Z SecondChildTAG: Γεια απο Πάτρα! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270801 SecondChildUserNameTAG: anastasiak11 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:29:39Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Greece, Athens!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1151803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: konstantinakiari SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:30:44Z SecondChildTAG: hello!!!nana from athens!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1171306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nanak82 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T23:47:30Z SecondChildTAG: καλησπερα απο Παρο! παιδια θα ηθελα να ρωτησω με αυτο το μαθημα δινουμε καποιες εξετασεις στο τελος για να το "περασουμε" και να παρουμε βεβαιωση παρακολουθησης? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1235414 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elliparos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:07:53Z SecondChildTAG: Ναί στο τέλος κάθε παρουσίασης μας δίνεται μια εργασία σε μορφη multipal choise ο βαθμός δεν έχει σημασία αλλά για να περάσεις το μάθημα πρέπει να κάνεις 50% SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1140958 SecondChildUserNameTAG: andreaspaxos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T12:19:48Z SecondChildTAG: Γεια σας παιδιά. Να ρωτήσω κάτι απλώς για επιβεβαίωση; Τα μαθήματα τα παρακολουθούμε όποτε θέλουμε εμείς όχι κάποια συγκεκριμένη ώρα. Thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1345907 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 2718301 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T13:13:53Z SecondChildTAG: Όχι δεν χρειαζεται να τα παρακολουθείς κάποια συγκεκριμένη ώρα. Τα παρακολουθείς όποτε βολεύει το δικό σου πρόγραμμα. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1360205 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KalliaCh SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T15:08:34Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Faliro - Athens/Greece. My name is Christos. Καλώς σας βρήκα. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1334986 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Evdoglou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:59:33Z SecondChildTAG: Καλησπέρα απο Κόμοτηνή! Η εργασία έχει αναρτηθεί καπου? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1405069 SecondChildUserNameTAG: chrisoulini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T13:32:06Z SecondChildTAG: καλησπερα και απο εμενα... Η εργασια απ ο,τι διαβασα θα αναρτηθει τη Δευτερα SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1359571 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Dimitris1976 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T02:03:55Z FirstChildTAG: Χαιρετω απο Κυπρο! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1271138 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NearchosK FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T23:30:14Z SecondChildTAG: Καλημέρα!!:-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 988432 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MPsyllaki SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T09:04:52Z FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα από την παγωμένη Στοκχόλμη! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T13:29:47Z FirstChildTAG: Yia sas, I was in Kallithea, Athens....now in cold London. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1144118 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ArtemisiaGentileschi0 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:04:22Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, GEIA SAS(ΓΕΙΑ ΣΑΣ)from Tirnavos Greece, I strongly believe everybody enjoy the course and the discusions as well!! Evangelia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:53:20Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! Καλησπέρα σας! από Αθήνα! Ι wish everybody enjoy the course! Georgia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1277306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SalambasiG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:04:31Z FirstChildTAG: Γεια σας από πρέβεζα! Κώστας FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282021 FirstChildUserNameTAG: samkon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:52:08Z FirstChildTAG: Γειά σας από Αθήνα! Αμαλία FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1217168 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AmaliaL FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T10:43:17Z FirstChildTAG: ΚΑΛΗΣΠΕΡΑ ΑΠΟ ΘΕΣΣΑΛΟΝΙΚΗ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1291754 FirstChildUserNameTAG: konstantinos590 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T20:56:09Z FirstChildTAG: Γεια απο Θεσσαλονικη. Βασιλεια FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1315457 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Wassilia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T17:09:02Z FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα από Μήλο. Κατερίνα FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1329628 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KateKent FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T14:44:16Z FirstChildTAG: Χαιρετισμούς και καλοσωρίσματα από Θεσσαλονίκη, Πασχαλιά FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282750 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pashakoufidou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T22:18:19Z FirstChildTAG: καλησπερα απο αθηνα!!! ελιζα FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1235414 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elliparos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:12:14Z FirstChildTAG: καλημέρα απο Παξούς, και καλή διασκέδαση FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1140958 FirstChildUserNameTAG: andreaspaxos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T12:21:12Z FirstChildTAG: Hello fellow Greeks -- γεια σας, παιδιά! Dimitri -- Δημήτρης FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300119 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kokkonis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T08:05:37Z FirstChildTAG: Καλησπερα απο Ηρακλειο Κρητης!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1059464 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Eyegraphic FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T19:10:43Z FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα από Πειραιά! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1332987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maroulucky FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T23:45:29Z FirstChildTAG: Γεια σε όλους από το όμορφο Καρπενήσι!!! Δεν περίμενα να είμαστε τόσοι πολλοί Έλληνες εδώ... Εκπλήσσομαι θετικά... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1296527 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Alexgreek FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T15:12:54Z FirstChildTAG: Ηελλο from Athens, οι ερωτήσεις της εξέτασης θα είναι με βάση το βίντεο που θα αναρτηθεί και σύμφωνα με ποια πράγματα που έχουμε για μελέτη? Ευχαριστώωω....:-) E.V.: The questions of the multiple choice exam will be according to th videos? and on which parts of studing? Thank you all...:-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1269121 FirstChildUserNameTAG: 91KONSTANTINOS91 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T20:34:15Z FirstChildTAG: Γεια απο Πάτρα! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1270801 FirstChildUserNameTAG: anastasiak11 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:30:02Z SecondChildTAG: Geia sou Anastasia! kai go apo Patra! Sophia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:35:31Z FirstChildTAG: Γεια σας συνέλληνες! Ελπίζω όλοι μας να τα πάμε θαυμάσια. Καλησπέρα από τον Πειραιά. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1331092 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stiliani FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T20:46:25Z FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα από Θεσσαλονίκη. Καλό τριήμερο!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1367450 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ande12 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T12:44:25Z IndexTAG: 76 TitleTAG: Is there an edX iPad app? Will we be able to read the textbooks on our iPad? Very much looking forward to this course. As a lawyer who spends everyday fast reading, looking forward to relearning how to slow read. UserIdTAG: 1081965 UserNameTAG: PCAmuso CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T19:04:52Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 77 TitleTAG: PANKRATIAST THEAGENIS GREETINGS FROM ATHENS, HELLAS. I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY **GRATITUDE** TO ALL EFFORTS DONE BY HARVARD UNIVERSITY, PROF Mr. NAGY AND HIS TEAM. I STRONGLY SUGGEST TO INCLUDE THE "HEROES" FROM **ANCIENT ATHLETICS** SUCH AS THE **OLYMPICS**, THE **PYTHIAN**, THE **NEMEAN** AND MUCH MORE FROM THE 150 HELLENIC ATHLETIC EVENTS. THESE **AGONISTES** (ATHLETES) SHOULD BE COUNTED IN OUR STUDIES WHEN WE DISCUSS AND SEARCH THE ANCIENT HELLENIC PAST AND WHAT THE WESTERN ATHLETIC CULTURE RECEIVED FROM THOSE PEOPLE. BE WELL **ERROSO** UserIdTAG: 1263840 UserNameTAG: LASAREOS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T08:53:33Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 78 TitleTAG: Hello, from Tirnavos, Greece!!! I am very glad to participate in a group with people who have common interests and concerns on Greek History/Mythology, heroes and philosophy!!! Special thanks to the coordinators. Greetings (xairetismata/χαιρετίσματα) Evangelia Ntalossi UserIdTAG: 1259218 UserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T19:03:15Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello, You have great cheese from yout area! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1144118 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ArtemisiaGentileschi0 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:32:55Z FirstChildTAG: Άντε και καλή μας αρχή! Greetings to everyone and let's see how fascinating this experience is going to be!!!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279471 FirstChildUserNameTAG: demina_d FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:11:50Z IndexTAG: 79 TitleTAG: Greetings from Australia I'm very excited to be doing this course - and as a scientist, what a fantastic opportunity to expand my studies into the humanities. UserIdTAG: 901393 UserNameTAG: AnthonyRea CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:11:55Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I strongly agree. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 185733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ipezzei FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:18:21Z SecondChildTAG: G'Day from Sydney! I am also excited to start this course SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1168208 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Waldactyl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:09:35Z IndexTAG: 80 TitleTAG: Greetings from Japan As a retired university professor and holder of a PhD, I have found that there are some huge holes in my education as well as areas that I have developed an interest in since my retirement. I recently listened to a course on the history of Classical Greece and it has whetted my interest. I hope that my personal schedule will allow me to complete the entire course as scheduled but in any case I will do my best. I hope that we to use this group to deepen our understanding of the materials covered in the course. UserIdTAG: 90781 UserNameTAG: SendaiYankee CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:30:20Z VoteTAG:4 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I agree it's not an easy task to accomplish. I hope to read your posts soon, I'm sure I will have a lot to learn. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 185733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ipezzei FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:15:57Z FirstChildTAG: Good evening Sensei and thank you for joining. The best thing in these courses is the opportunity to meet new people. As a mere university student from Aristotele University of Thessaloniki I welcome you and officialy present myself: Alexandra from the Department of History and Archaelogy. Nice to meet you and i will be on everyone's care from now on! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1302711 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Alexandra_92 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T19:24:34Z IndexTAG: 81 TitleTAG: Small mistake Claudia: HOUR 4. TEXT A. DISCUSSION. In this text there is a small mistake in the written part of what Dr. Nagy is saying. He is talking about the -kleos of Achilles- and the written text refers to -clothes of Achilles. That occurs a minute 2:33. I also take this moment, to speak from the bottom of my heart, that I am very enchanted with this activity and what I like most is to hear and see Dr. Nagy: the way he speaks, how he speaks, the way he uses words, how he explains, etc, for me that is a beautiful Song. Every word he says is like a musical note that fits harmoniously in the song. I really hear the music and I feel transported to the wonderful world of ancient greek Heroes, gods, goddesses and the Olympus. I feel like a child enchanted by the words of music of a wise, erudite and intelligent grandpa. Just and anecdote, when I told my wife about this feeling she said “ask him to adopt you as a grandson so you can hear him more often”. Well, I think right now that she is correct, but, how can a grandpa as I am now, be a grandson? Any way, thanks, many thanks to Dr. Nagy for this opportunity. You are a Love song yourself. And too all the team that makes possible this epic or lyric song, including the Muses Choir formed by the young people who read the texts; they read so well that it is glad to hear them. UserIdTAG: 1061478 UserNameTAG: oraguil52 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T01:39:11Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Indeed! Let me inform them about the mistake. However, in H4 text H, there *is* a reference to the immortalizing clothes that the Nereids clothed Achilles' corpse. What do you think about this? Can clothes make Achilles immortal? By the way, about this course, I feel exactly like you, even though this is the second time I attend it. Magic! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T05:25:38Z IndexTAG: 82 TitleTAG: oral epics Concerning Hour 2 on the oral poetry speech act segment" I am told by my son that in Mali it is still possible to have a Giron(sp?) compose for you an epic account of your family and its great deeds, in a context where the Giron goes from village to village and will, on some form of payment, compose a spontaneous epic recitation of this kind: such things may last two hours or so. The Giron inherits his position and his original repertoire from his father, and composes in a form which is at least comparable to thaat described for Phoenix, although I do not know that it is given or preserved as 'poetry.' There may be other examples wh UserIdTAG: 1282276 UserNameTAG: whaskett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T14:47:26Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Interesting! The difference I see, though, is that the rest of the community might not share the same opinion about a family's history. I wonder, does the Giron recite more or less the same deeds changing just the names of the heroes in relation to the family? How does this work? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T03:34:06Z FirstChildTAG: magdalini: I don't know that the Giron is putting you into a well-understood heroic tale, or is raising your own story into an extended hymn of praise to yourself. He is said to do this for strangers, as well as for familiar villages, so he may do either or both as an extended song/poem/account. wh FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 FirstChildUserNameTAG: whaskett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T16:24:35Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for the answer! What does the word Giron mean? I find interesting the fact that he *inherits* his position by his father. I wonder if he is considered somehow like a priest, or a person who has a special relationship with a god/goddess, like the poet and the Muse in Greek epic tradition. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T01:59:30Z IndexTAG: 83 TitleTAG: First Assessment Well, I did quite poorly on the first assessment, scoring only 1 out of the 4 questions correctly. I would argue against the "correct" answers, though. For example, number three: Why will Achilles sit the war out in his shelter? Because: - a goddess advised him to do so - he has hurt feelings - he is angry at Agamemnon The correct answer could be either of the last two, but the one in the system is the first. Athena certainly did not advise him to sit out of the war completely. She warned him about killing Agamemnon. > I have come from heaven to stay your anger, if you will obey, The > goddess white-armed Hera sent me forth, for in her heart she loves and > cares for both of you. But come, cease from strife, and do not grasp > the sword with your hand. With words indeed taunt him, telling him how > it shall be. For thus will I speak, and this thing shall truly be > brought to pass. Hereafter three times as many glorious gifts shall be > yours on account of this arrogance. But refrain, and obey us. She came to keep him from killing Agamemnon, since Hera had great love for both of these men (Achilles and Agamemnon). She did not advise him to refrain from going to war completely, but to refrain from killing the king. Thus, it was not on account of the command of Athena that he refrained from war and sat in his ships. Rather: > Surely some day a longing for Achilles will come upon the sons of the > Achaeans one and all, and on that day you will not be able to help > them at all, for all your grief, when many shall fall dying before > man-slaying Hector. But you will gnaw the heart within you, in anger > that you did no honour to the best of the Achaeans. And: > The brunt of furious battle do my [Achilles'] hands undertake, but if > ever an apportionment comes, your [Agamemnon's] prize is far greater, > while small but dear is the reward I take to my ships, when I have > worn myself out in the fighting. Now I will go back to Phthia > [Achilles' homeland], since it is far better to return home with my > beaked ships, nor do I intend while I am here dishonoured to pile up > riches and wealth for you. It was on account of the dishonor that Achilles had suffered from Agamemnon that he refused to fight for him. The multiple choice answer is wrong, yet I am counted off here. I would argue similarly for the other answers that I chose. For example, regarding who became angry first – we hear in the song that Apollo did indeed respond to the prayer of Chryses, who was emotionally wounded by the capture of his daughter. We are told of his grief, but we are not told of anger on behalf of Chryses. Similarly, it does not say that Apollo was angry necessarily. We are told that the Achaeans interpreted the plague as the effect of Apollo's wrath, but the song never states that Apollo got angry. The first person that we see get angry in the song is Agamemnon, since Chryses pleas with him for the release of his daughter. I chose Agamemnon, and the answer is counted wrong – and gives you no opportunity to dispute it. Rather, I ended up with a score of 25% and no redress. I don't think the assessments are a good idea if these determine whether or not we end up getting a certificate in the end. Regards, Jason Hare UserIdTAG: 1241157 UserNameTAG: JaiHare CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T14:31:00Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Jason, I have the same confusion as you regarding the first question. One thing I noticed in your posting is the sections from the readings that you copied and pasted have a slightly different wording that what I am reading in the sourcebook. Perhaps even the difference of one word can be cause for great debate. Regarding your second argument of who became angry first, I have pasted below from the Sourcebook a quote that brought me to the conclusion it was Apollo. So, which one of the gods was it who impelled the two to fight with each other in strife [eris]? 9 It was [Apollo] the son of Leto and of Zeus. For he [= Apollo], infuriated at the king [= Agamemnon], [10] caused an evil disease to arise throughout the mass of warriors, and the people were getting destroyed. , because the son of Atreus had dishonored Khrysēs his priest. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895328 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LaGue FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T15:42:09Z SecondChildTAG: You're right. Line 9 does state that Apollo was enraged against the king (the Greek text uses χολωθείς, the aorist passive participle of χολόω). So, there is a reference to Apollo's anger that I missed in my scanning for anger. Still, the question seemed confusing in its choices. Perhaps instead of "neither of the two," it could list Apollo and Chryses as choices. Then we would direct our thoughts toward the anger that caused the strife in the first place. I don't know. It just seemed like a trick question. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1241157 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JaiHare SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T16:18:17Z SecondChildTAG: I can't find in the Sourcebook reading any specific use of language that states Chryses was angry. His prayer to Apollo indicates a man who wants revenge. But revenge can come from other emotions such as jealously or fear. The old man feared him and obeyed. Not a word he spoke, but went by the shore of the sounding sea [35] and prayed apart to King Apollo whom lovely fine-haired Leto had borne. "Hear me," he cried, "O god of the silver bow, you who protects Khrysē and holy Killa and rules Tenedos with your might, hear me O Sminthian God of Plague Apollo. If I have ever decked your temple with garlands, [40] or burned your thigh-pieces in fat of bulls or goats, grant my prayer, and let your arrows avenge these my tears upon the Danaans." Thus did he pray, and Apollo heard his prayer. But back to number 3, I would like a more thorough explanation from the Staff about why they believe Achilles will sit out the war because a god directed him. As far as I could read, Athena only told him to hold his sword against Agamemnon. She said he could maintain his anger, though. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 895328 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LaGue SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T23:37:42Z IndexTAG: 84 TitleTAG: heroes choose their fate This is an answer to the Hour 1 question for discussion. I believe that it's not right to say that the fate is the only driver of the events told in the Iliad because the heroes are not passive, but they make active choices. Achilles, as we just saw in this hour readings, after an internal deep struggle makes an active choice on his fate. He has the opportunity of returining home, live a happy and long life with no glory. He has the opportunity to make an informed decision. He chooses well aware of the consequences. Of course there are many other events outside their control, but there are some key moments where they get to choose, reflecting in a way also our own stories. UserIdTAG: 1129528 UserNameTAG: Irene_Alunni CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T09:19:06Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: The idea of Fate is a complex one and we do not usually use this term in our analyses. That is because the notion of an individual or of personal autonomy or volition, which is a modern concept, is not quite valid for this bronze age society and its sense of causality. I would avoid the terms fate and destiny as they might only make our thinking obscure! If you do wish to examine these terms, then be thoroughly textual, and infer your meaning from the text: do not bring our modern and Western ideas of fate to the poetry ... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T13:17:11Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Kevin, Professor Nagy posits the following statement: *"Heroes are free agents in making the life-and-death choices that they make, but their stories nevertheless fit beautifully into a cosmic pattern, which is sometimes described in the poetry as the Will of Zeus or the Plan of Zeus."* Stated in these words, I presume that Professor Nagy says that the choices and the cosmic pattern are causally unrelated, yet are experienced as occurring together in a meaningful manner; quite close to the definition of *synchronicity*. Modern man/woman tends to prefer the metaphor of I. A. Richards; the “two-way street,” in which choices communicate with fate, as well as the other way around. However, in response to your posting above, I fully agree that this not necessarily coincides with the proper analysis of the Ilias, which seems to be much closer to the *synchronicity of choices and cosmic pattern* of Professor Nagy. Is this what you are saying too? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rien FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T19:15:56Z FirstChildTAG: The Moirai (Fates) were three mythological goddesses, Clotho (spinner), Lachesis (allotter) and Atropos (unturnable). People and also Gods were under their power with the exception of Zeus. The etymology of the word “moira” Irene, may help you to give a new dimension to your perspective of fate. It means portion or share in the distribution of booty (equal booty), portion in life, lot, destiny, death moros (for more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirai). Moirai didn’t express something static. The fate of one’s man was based on a consultation between them. Pythagoras presented the 3 Moirai with the help of a right triangle. The vertical leg is Atropos, represents inevitability (cut the thread of life). The base leg is Klotho and represents variance (included the human choices) and finally hypotenuse is Lahesis and represents luck. The area of the triange is soul. The area of the triangle changes all the time because of the interaction of Moirai. According to my opinion this is a fantastic metaphor for Nagy’s thesis. I didn’t know it, either. I’m excited about this! Everything in life contributes to a cosmic harmony! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1254137 FirstChildUserNameTAG: voupsy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T09:28:07Z SecondChildTAG: indeed very interesting. tks for that. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 344405 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AMariani SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T20:34:57Z FirstChildTAG: Three things come to my mind in this 'fate' versus 'freewill' discussion: a) It sounds obvious that the Greek Hero carries an ideological message convenient for power holders at the time. Those are tales to convince man to fight to death and to convince women to love man that fight to death. That has to be in the picture when we think about the freewill of the characters and the spectators. b) The choices given to the heroes are between to have a meaning or to have life and they all choose meaning to life. I can’t figure out if they really had a choice maybe because I puzzled by the word ‘real’. But by framing the choices this way - meaning or life – I wonder if one ever had choice. c) I’m looking for traces of humor and irony but can’t find them. And I wonder if I would ever be able to read out of text :-). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 344405 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AMariani FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T21:59:19Z SecondChildTAG: at a) Also this is a two-way street; the Greek Hero creates his power holder to have meaning; the power holder creates his hero to have power. You can't have one without the other. ad b) Achilles had a choice and made a choice; the micro narrative of Od 11.489 tells how he came to regret it, but also hopes his son makes the same choice. ad c) The Iliad is full of irony SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rien SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T10:56:57Z FirstChildTAG: Dear AMariani, the consept of Moirai and human's choices is dynamic in the way it is described by Pythagoras (previous post). Considering this, the choice of Achilles f.ex to join the battle and go for his death can't be seen as passive compromise but more like deliberate integration in a cosmic pattern in order harmony can be preserved. It is a philolophical thesis. Taking this thesis into account we (modern people) are more willing to cross the threshold of illogical connection between "free will" and cosmic pattern. I write this because I've started from the same point you are now. And I'm still working on it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1254137 FirstChildUserNameTAG: voupsy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T05:54:34Z SecondChildTAG: well, tks again... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 344405 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AMariani SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T13:58:50Z FirstChildTAG: [STAFF] I think it is better to place these posts under Hour 1 of Semeli group. How can I do this? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1254137 FirstChildUserNameTAG: voupsy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T10:19:40Z IndexTAG: 85 TitleTAG: Are the fathers the true ancient heroes ? To add to the characterisation of Achilles in §17 of the *Introduction to the Poetry*, but possibly running too far ahead, I want to relate to a conversation between Achilles and Odysseus, in Odyssey scroll 11. In this scene, which takes place in the glebe of Persephone, in Hades, Odysseus calls up the ghosts of his deceased family and friends, and questions them about the future. The scene includes an important retrospective part in which Odysseus and Achilles look back on the adventures where they gained their *kleos*, glory. Achilles wishes he could change his *kleos* for a *nostos*; an Iliad for an Odyssey. The focus is on the contrast between Achilles, characterised by strength and inflexibility, and Odysseus, a true *polytropos*, characterised by intelligence and versatility. I quote the final words of Achilles in this conversation, from the Sourcebook, Odyssey 11: Quote *[490] I would rather be a paid servant in a poor man’s house and be above ground than king of kings among the dead. But give me news about son; is he gone to the wars and will he be a great warrior, or is this not so? Tell me also if you have heard anything about my father stately Peleus –* Unquote This brings me to the point of my response. If I put scroll 1 in a word cloud (Worddle), then the word "son" returns as the most frequently used word: Achilles is worried for the son he left on Skyros, Odysseus is most worried for his son Telemachos and Agamemnon, and Menelaos are the sons of Atreus. In later scrolls it appears that Sarpedon left his son in Lykia (Il V, 480) and Hektor's goodbye to his son in Il VI, 391, before he goes to the fight, is dramatic. In all aspects of the behaviour of both the humans and the divine, both in the Ilias and the Odyssey, (but possibly more so in the Odyssey), it seems that the family relations are the most important. **So this makes the Father the true hero of both the Ilias and the Odyssey.** The relative unimportance of mortality is clarified by Odysseus in his speech to Calypso. Odysseus clearly prefers mortal life above ageless youth and immortality; he just wants to go home to his wife and son. "The hard work in the gardens of his father Laertes is preferred above the boredom in the *locus amoenus* of the goddess Calypso". [(B.S. Haller, 2007)][1] Quote from Sourcebook Odyssey Scroll V, 210-225: *[210]This wife of yours, of whom you are thinking all the time, day after day; yet I flatter myself that I am no whit less tall or well-looking than she is, for it is not to be expected that a mortal woman should compare in beauty with an immortal.” “Goddess,” replied resourceful Odysseus, [215] “do not be angry with me about this. I am quite aware that my wife circumspect Penelope is nothing like so tall or so beautiful as yourself. She is only a woman, whereas you are an immortal. Nevertheless, I want to get home, [220] and can think of nothing else. If some god wrecks me when I am on the sea, I will bear it and make the best of it. I have had infinite trouble both by land and sea already, so let this go with the rest.”* Although the above wordings may sound like an opinion, they are intended as a query; what do other forum members think of this approach to what is the "Homeric Hero", and of the limited importance given by Odysseus to human mortality? Below the famous painting of "Aeneas' Flight from Troy", by Federico Barocci, 1598), showing Aeneas fleeing burning Troy, carrying his father and guiding his son: ![ " Aeneas' Flight from Troy," by Federico Barocci, 1598][2] [1]: http://d-scholarship.pitt.edu/8962/ [2]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13635542071343642.jpg UserIdTAG: 1109885 UserNameTAG: Rien CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T18:55:09Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: The poets are the true Heroes. Each character, Odysseus and Achilles, are fantastic role models for the ancient and modern world. Each culture needs steadfast and uncompromising men like Achilles to keep vigilant faith over what they believe to be their most important truths. In the same vein, each culture demands that a clever man, who is worthy of the privilege of leadership is both intelligent, flexible, and willing to endure hardship. Odysseus' lot is by far the most important, for he spends 10 years sieging Troy before a 10 voyage only to return home and find that his wife is besieged by suitors. Odysseus, not losing faith, gathers what force he can to fight his final battle, to free the people. I like to think of each of these examples in metaphors, that there enemies abroad, who are openly hostile toward you (even though in this case, Troy is attacked by the Greeks). Also, there are delays that keep you from addressing important domestic issues, that are an even greater threat because they happen at your home and the threats chiefly come from the people who you thought were your neighbors. So, I agree that the these fathers, Achilles and Odysseus, are heroes, but they are heroes purposed for different enemies and highlight different virtues from their culture. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1431431 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickBeorjn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T22:09:17Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Nick, Thanks for your comments, which is of interest and remarkable; more common seems the interpretation that the *nostos* is the most relevant episode; the journey where we collect the wisdom and experience that is about all the traveller can ask for, as best described by C.P. Cavafy. Image: Odysseus killing the suitors, G. Schwab ![Odysseus killing the suitors, G. Schwab][1] Furthermore; if the poet is the hero, does that imply that the messenger of bad news is a villain? [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13636336681343629.jpg SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rien SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T19:09:02Z SecondChildTAG: Good and humorous question. Don't kill, or shoot in modern American culture, the messenger fits here. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1338048 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dvorris SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T14:00:08Z IndexTAG: 86 TitleTAG: Hi group Semele! As it was the first time I heard about this name Semele, I went to wiki and checked our story. I am glad to be in the cohort 'Semele' (who might come from the same people as Spartacus'). Live from Japan, Cheers! Z. UserIdTAG: 830835 UserNameTAG: Zacharie CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T04:08:16Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_KnowCohort NumberOfReplyTAG: 16 FirstChildTAG: Hello All - I'm sending salutations from Al-Khobar in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia. Am very excited to be a part of this course. Good luck to everyone! Suzanne FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1439755 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kukeana FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T18:40:22Z FirstChildTAG: Hi group Semele! I didn't heard this name either. I looked up Semele and I have realized its also a opera by Händel. I will listen it as soon as possible. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1023332 FirstChildUserNameTAG: eirene FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:36:47Z SecondChildTAG: I am Taska from the carribean island of Jamaica.Will be researching a bit on Semele.I love the Opera gonna check it out too:) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 914632 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Taska SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T02:53:48Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings to all other Semeles, mothers of Bakchos and other victims of ever jealous Hera. I look forward to being with you for the next months. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rien FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T20:08:31Z FirstChildTAG: Hi to everyone!!! I'm glad to be with you here! It's really exciting to meet you here in this multinational Semele cohort))) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 944460 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VictoriaB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T00:06:26Z FirstChildTAG: More specifically we represent the mother of Dionysus, incinerated by Zeus, then rescued from Tartarus by her son with the cognomen Thyone to alleviate the jealousy of underworld residents. Dionysus, is of course, the hedonistic god of abandon that most of us can't afford to emulate. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 145656 FirstChildUserNameTAG: desertbob FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T19:00:42Z FirstChildTAG: Hi all, I'm very excited to know all you better, and also share this incredible opportunity. By the way, I'm from Colombia. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896953 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nathis10 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T02:46:56Z SecondChildTAG: Greetings from Envigado Darius SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1121624 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Darius- SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T15:14:21Z FirstChildTAG: Hi all, I think I am now in this group. Greetings to others, Karen FirstChildUserIdTAG: 956149 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kcabel11 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T04:00:20Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I assume I'm also a member of group Semele - so greetings from Alison, in the Republic of Ireland! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1242469 FirstChildUserNameTAG: allyg21 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T04:34:49Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, group Semele. I am looking forward to working with you all over the next few months. Greetings from Alabama. Adam FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1323780 FirstChildUserNameTAG: anwear FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T14:19:06Z FirstChildTAG: Hi i ll think this is my group. We are the parents of Dionysos. Call me Semele or Thyone. Greetings Darius. By the way, what happend when i finished to read Nr. I they want a comment or a summery? In the Video he said he want a opinion but a opinion about what i need the question to give the answer. Its like in the university look for a question and than give your opinion the answer FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1121624 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Darius- FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T15:10:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Cohort Semele! Greetings from France. Patricia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1431165 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Atialine FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T23:14:30Z FirstChildTAG: Hey Cohort Semele....This is Aman from India....Njoy!!!!!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 109792 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Livelyaman FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T10:17:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hi y'all! This is Toni, in the southern US, and I am excited to be part of this multinational group! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1358880 FirstChildUserNameTAG: markthweb1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T12:57:29Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings to about thousand fellow learners of group Semele! Very excited about the course and being part of this new learing community development experiment. BTW recitation of focus passages in courseware video was so beautiful! Ah, there's nothing more but it moved me so much that I can't help but mention it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 837087 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KomaInu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T13:21:48Z SecondChildTAG: Hello and greetings to you, I am also excited to learn about the Ancient Greek Hero. I think it will be interesting, goodluck, Karen, SecondChildUserIdTAG: 956149 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kcabel11 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T04:04:35Z FirstChildTAG: hello , my name is Miracle. glad to be in this group FirstChildUserIdTAG: 827762 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Miracle24 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T13:07:08Z FirstChildTAG: Hello all! I am a bit late in getting here, I have been so busy with Algebra, but I am finally able to get back into my Greek obsession and just finished Hour 2 this morning. I hope all of you are well and enjoying this class. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1455391 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DonnaMJ FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T17:03:06Z IndexTAG: 87 TitleTAG: Where is my Cohort? Dear All, Can anybody tell whether cohorts were already created? And if yes - how to finbd my one? Thanks UserIdTAG: 204291 UserNameTAG: dr_butoros CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T13:28:17Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 15 FirstChildTAG: I haven't heard anything since the initial email... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1144899 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MelRittenour FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T23:22:40Z SecondChildTAG: me either. I don t find my cohorts! help please! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 462642 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ANDYFLOG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T11:33:11Z SecondChildTAG: I can't find it too! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1327668 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Boyuan SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T18:32:21Z SecondChildTAG: Welcome to the 1st day of school! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1392734 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rain372 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T19:58:41Z SecondChildTAG: Omg I heard that somewhere! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1366940 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Senchinalover SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T21:43:21Z FirstChildTAG: As I recall from reading the original post you'll have 999 cohorts, but I don't believe the groups have been assigned yet. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 224003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: keithpagea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T13:41:06Z SecondChildTAG: I thinks same as well- but read today in one post that two people are talking to ech other as fellow members o the same Cohort... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 204291 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dr_butoros SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T14:10:02Z FirstChildTAG: Are we going to be assigned a cohort or create/join one? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1378240 FirstChildUserNameTAG: karizzaanika FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T03:32:20Z SecondChildTAG: I guess we are thrown into one. At least I can see some new postings, that state "This post visible only to Group Briseis." above, but I haven't found anything more explainable yet. But I think, I am in group Briseis. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 844461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T09:38:39Z SecondChildTAG: Same with Antigone. Created a post within the category Get to Know Your Cohort, and it has similar sentence above the post title. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T17:48:52Z FirstChildTAG: I also see Group Briseis. So now its clear - the group you see is your Group! Solved finally :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 204291 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dr_butoros FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T10:41:56Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome to Briseis - Βρισηΐς - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briseis FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1372483 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PeterKeyse FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T14:18:33Z FirstChildTAG: There is a category at "Show All Discussions" : Get to Know Your Cohort FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T17:31:42Z SecondChildTAG: Mine is blank! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1383460 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JJingram SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T23:54:29Z SecondChildTAG: Mine (Briseis) is blank again after containing quite a lot of postings yesterday. Maybe there is some work going on which prevents us from seeing the postings in our cohort. Or something broke during the last half day. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 388550 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MarkObrembalski SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T08:17:45Z SecondChildTAG: I have the same problem. It is good to know that it is not just my account. I can see threads I am following but not new posts. And the *Get to Know Your Cohort* listing is blank for me also. Although I am in the *Briseis* cohort, I seem to be stuck with just one other student in group *Meleagros*! This started yesterday afternoon, it seems. Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T10:26:15Z SecondChildTAG: I was in the *Briseis* cohort yesterday, now I see posts visible to the *Iphigenia* group. So probably some re-arrangements of students among the cohorts took place in the night. It's a pity that we have not been advised that such transfers may take place after initial placement- I now lost access to some interesting points my then fellows made in the *Briseis* forum. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DenisTheLearner SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T10:45:25Z SecondChildTAG: Hi! I have the same problem.. Till yesterday I was part of the Briseis cohort but today I don't see it. Have the cohorts been removed completely or is this because of the 'Strangeness and Lento' discussion that has been opened for all cohorts? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1242383 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EshaLall SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T12:01:35Z SecondChildTAG: I doubt that this was intentional: we would have had an email, and I am not seeing any new posts at the top level, just posts in old threads. I have sent a message about this to someone I happen to know at edX so hopefully things will be resolved one way or another. To all my fellow refugee *Briseiseans*: let's not give up hope yet! On the other hand perhaps we have been kidnapped by some edX *Achilles* and are experiencing in miniature what *Briseis* experienced when she was carried off from her home! Cheers! Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T12:59:10Z SecondChildTAG: Hal, developing your allusion to *Achilles*' narrative, may I propose that the refugee Briseiseans start lamentation? If this all was planned, it is a true story-based performance we are a part of! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DenisTheLearner SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T14:15:27Z SecondChildTAG: Haha! Good one Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1242383 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EshaLall SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T17:24:05Z SecondChildTAG: I'm not sure what is going on with the cohorts right now, like many others here, I was in Briseis, and now I'm in Aiakos, and only one other person has posted in the Aiakos forum so far. The Briseis was far more active and there were some interesting discussions going on. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 3909 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SAKitty09 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T17:43:56Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, but we *Briseisean* refugees still seem to have access to any threads we were following. Perhaps you will enjoy my first post in my new local: (responding to a question about fingers or eyes first) Hi porfyrus, I think we are assigned cohorts. Don't you see This post visible only to Group Meleagros. above your post? I am a refugee from the Briseis cohort. I think there is something wrong with the discussion board, and I feel a little like Odysseus, lost at sea, missing my former home! For the past couple of weeks there has been a continuous stream of new posts every few minutes, but we seem to be castaways in time with no new posts for hours, as far as I can tell. I think Professor Nagy puts fingers first because of the goldsmith metaphor: emphasizing that slow, close reading requires touching the words gently one by one while the eye only approaches them from afar and does not produce the intimate experience needed to make contact with the life in the text. Let's keep a look-out for land! Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T18:06:53Z SecondChildTAG: DennisTheLerner (Beware all, this is a really silly post), Yes, let's do that (lamentations) and perhaps we should also figure out which edX god is responsible for the software glitch, so we can make the appropriate sacrifices. It seems like we have been strewn as castaways across many small islands, so it was probably poseidonX who was angry. The ancient Greek sailors would likely (knowing more about this than us) have dedicated (sadly from a modern point of view, drowned) a horse to ensure safe passages because Poseidon is the god of horses, earthquakes, ..., and is responsible for most shipwrecks/safe voyages. Well, we convey our thoughts via Posts (instead of horses) so maybe we should dedicate a special thread (it will be our *temenos*) to Poseidon so we can dedicate (horse) Posts to him there. Cheers! Hal R SecondChildUserIdTAG: 475967 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hriggs SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T04:17:44Z FirstChildTAG: I was also initially assigned in Briseis but nor it says that I am in the Herakles group. I would have wanted to reply to the previous threads in the Briseis group. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1098885 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tetrivera FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T19:53:29Z FirstChildTAG: I wanna go back to Briseis......I m not an Ariadne (my newly assigned cohort) .......*cries *whines FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1357103 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rozoua FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T20:53:08Z FirstChildTAG: I've been hijacked to the Nestor group but can still respond to this thread. Confused ..... I feel like a Grecian soldier who was left behind by his comrades :( Nora FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300408 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NH417 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:52:08Z FirstChildTAG: Yes, I'm also relocated - to Group Ino-Leukothea (drew the short straw on memorable name, I think). The only posts so far are from people saying 'What happened to Briseis'? I'm guessing that these new groups were formed from Briseis as I've not seen anyone claiming to have come from elsewhere. There must have been other 'old' cohorts, otherwise the 'Strangeness' reposting wouldn't have been necessary, so I'd imagine they have also been split up- but maybe we'll never know... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 952145 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:12:31Z FirstChildTAG: I was also in Briseis but now there is NO cohort listed in "get to know your cohort." I can't tell which cohort I'm in! Any other suggestions on how I can find my cohort? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 967296 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jmcavoy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T02:33:52Z FirstChildTAG: I am not understanding nothing. And so, am i in Briseis? There should be some indicative symbol somewhere on top of the page or something so. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305100 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ayshagawa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T08:07:14Z FirstChildTAG: Ayshagawa, I have the same problem. I can't find any indication of my cohort (except from the notice that there has been a problem with the platform). I'll start studying and hopefully I won't miss the target. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1286432 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EleniTs FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T10:29:54Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Ayshagawa and EleniTs, To learn the name of your cohort, click on the pull-down menu of Discussion forums (to the left of the magnifying glass), and select **Get to Know Your Cohort**. If there are any posts listed there, click on one of those. At the top of that thread will be a line that says *This post is only visible to Group* followed by the name of your cohort. If there are no posts shown under that header, then you will have to create a new one and then look at the header of your post. Click on **New Post** at the top left, and then select the **Get to Know Your Cohort** as the forum to post in (I believe that we can only create new posts in our own cohort or the **Questions about the Course** forums, but I may be mistaken), create a new post, and then you (and everyone else in your cohort) can see what the name of your cohort is. \_rob\_ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 902982 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ferthalangur SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T11:18:26Z FirstChildTAG: I can´t find my Cohort!! how do I know which group i´m assigned to???? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055205 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GhilaBirman FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T22:44:35Z FirstChildTAG: I as well have no cohorts... I suppose that means I am to go it alone, no worries. I presume there are just too many of us. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1519313 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maybe FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T17:23:13Z IndexTAG: 88 TitleTAG: Hello! Greetings from Athens!! When I was a student in high-school, I used to think that my teachers were at least weird when they insisted that I learned by heart the definition of tragedy : Ἐστὶν οὖν τραγωδία μίμησις πράξεως σπουδαίας καὶ τελείας, μέγεθος ἐχούσης, ἡδυσμένῳ λόγῳ, χωρὶς ἑκάστῳ τῶν εἰδὼν ἐν τοῖς μορίοις, δρώντων καὶ οὐ δι’ ἀπαγγελίας, δι’ ἐλέου καὶ φόβου περαίνουσα τὴν τῶν τοιούτων παθημάτων κάθαρσιν I used to enjoy the ancient Greek literature, but to my “teenage ears”, all the analysis sounded as a constant blah blah blah… After years of practicing law and studying English and French literature, I wrote a novel. And then, “epiphany” hit me. There is a Hero in every single piece of written expression. He may be good, or he may be a villain. He may be half divine, or a simple man. To me though, the purpose of the play is to make the audience think, ponder on the questions set by the writer. How can one open the doors of the mind? By stirring the emotion. It is an “experience transplant”. It makes you feel the suffering, but without having to actually face, in reality, the consequences of the Hero’s actions and choices. What you gain through the whole procedure is catharsis. A clear and liberated mind. A brain at work. That, my dear Professor (and Staff), is why I decided to go ahead with this fascinating course. UserIdTAG: 1335395 UserNameTAG: sandypat73 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T09:18:37Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: It all sounds so familiar... :) What novel have you written? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1256700 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PanagiotisPerysinakis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T19:46:35Z SecondChildTAG: Oh. Hi! It is the story of women in a greek family, starting from the 1900's until now. It analyzes the bonds and the hereditary characteristics that run from generation to generation and form a concrete female model throughout the 20th century. The model of a strong and powerful woman. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1335395 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sandypat73 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T07:25:57Z IndexTAG: 89 TitleTAG: A question about the readings A little question about the readings assigned for each "hour": Should a participant complete these readings prior to watching the video of the lecture or is this to be done concurrently with the lecture? UserIdTAG: 909827 UserNameTAG: sarahstephen CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T20:10:39Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: great question i was wondering about the same thing as well...no official answer yet! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1218772 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vassia1k FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T20:56:42Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Sarahstephen and vassia1K, I think you want to do try the readings first. Then watch the videos. Hope that helps! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T22:24:55Z IndexTAG: 90 TitleTAG: for the future! lets study for the greater good! of greece and whole humanity!! UserIdTAG: 1345400 UserNameTAG: greekfuture CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T10:31:20Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: What a beautiful thought!! Thank you for enrolling! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T13:42:36Z IndexTAG: 91 TitleTAG: Salutations from Japan. I am French living in Japan. I am a scientist so totally not in this field!... Sorry to intrude. However I think Philosophy is the mother of Science, and I have always felt that the ancient greeks have hidden their Science in their mythology. Thank you very much Z. UserIdTAG: 830835 UserNameTAG: Zacharie CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T06:08:41Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 92 TitleTAG: Greetings from Argos, Greece. I'm looking forward to starting this course. I think that we'll have the chance to expand our knowledge and update our skills. I'm sure we'll enjoy it! UserIdTAG: 1313208 UserNameTAG: MAROPIPEROU CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T16:47:06Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 93 TitleTAG: Hello from Istanbul My name is Ali. I am looking forward to gaining new knowledge. UserIdTAG: 1160597 UserNameTAG: aliertenu CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T16:22:20Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 94 TitleTAG: Greetings from Greece Hello from Athens. I am so glad joining this course. I have studied Philosophy Pedagogy and Psychology here in Greece and i am looking forward to extend my knowledge.I would like also to thank you in advance for all the help i may need during this course. UserIdTAG: 1295396 UserNameTAG: Elpinikaki CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T20:15:56Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 95 TitleTAG: Hello everyone! Hello from a beautiful island of Greece, Rhodes! I' m very excited for my participation in this course! I hope to learn many interesting things! I wish to have a nice communication! UserIdTAG: 1291147 UserNameTAG: Evigr CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T19:27:57Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome Evi! We're many Greeks in this course. There's an international facebook group and you can join us there as well. https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T19:39:29Z IndexTAG: 96 TitleTAG: Hello from HELLAS (Athens)! ΚΑΛΗΣΠΕΡΑ! Ηello everybody, I am Georgia from Athens and I am so excited with all this. I look forward for the lessons... Καλησπέρα σε όλους από Αθήνα! UserIdTAG: 1277306 UserNameTAG: SalambasiG CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T15:03:18Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα από Στοκχόλμη! Τελικά βλέπω να μονοπωλούμε το μάθημα, ήδη έχουν μαζευτεί πολλοί Έλληνες εδώ. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T15:28:29Z SecondChildTAG: I think we should talk in english, don't you? good evening from Patras, Greece! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:10:51Z SecondChildTAG: It is difficult for me to write only in english but i will try... Hello Takis from Stockholm nice to meet you! Hello Sophia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1277306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SalambasiG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:00:39Z SecondChildTAG: Δεν νομίζω ότι είναι κακό να χρησιμοποιούμε και ελληνικά. Καλημέρα από Αθήνα. Goodmornig from Athens. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 962226 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T07:13:48Z FirstChildTAG: They have created a Facebook group so you may join if you will ! https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:56:00Z FirstChildTAG: Hello fellow Greeks, I am Eleni from Australia. I do speak and read Greek, but my written Greek is has poor spelling, so I would prefer to write in English. I could use Greeklish, but some of our fellow Greek participants, would appreciate our not using it out of respect for the language. In addition, I think that it eventually sticking to English would probably be more beneficial for all the course discussion and members. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T07:25:08Z IndexTAG: 97 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens, Greece Hi my name is Nansy and i live in Athens...it's really amazing how many people from all over the world are studying our ancient history and literature...i look forward for the lessons...we are gonna have a great time :)) UserIdTAG: 1257569 UserNameTAG: Nansy CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T08:47:49Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Yes, we will. I am Eirini from Naxos. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T12:41:45Z IndexTAG: 98 TitleTAG: greetings from Thessaloniki, Greece Really excited taking this class!! We are enthusiastic about archaeology and mythology staff. Thank you for this opportunity. Our English will be better through time :) UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T20:53:46Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 99 TitleTAG: my world opens up Whooo Whooo Since I got sick I do not see or talk to alot of people. Now, I going to learn from people all over the world. In stead of "no you can not do that any more" I get to learn something, rediscover my brain and strech the situation by telling people "What am I up to? Well, I am on line at Harvard.". Life is getting better. UserIdTAG: 1060336 UserNameTAG: elizabethmorin CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T22:34:49Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Good for you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1208469 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Producer FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T22:48:17Z SecondChildTAG: Glad to be part of this with you, Elizabeth! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T08:10:11Z SecondChildTAG: Hello, Elizabeth! Greetings from Brazil! See you in class! Iara Lages. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 971010 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IaraLages SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T16:41:06Z SecondChildTAG: Glad life is getting better. It's an exciting world with so much to learn! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 943768 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Shelleyjane SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:56:19Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks so much for enrolling! We are cheering you on!! -Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:47:02Z IndexTAG: 100 TitleTAG: Odysseus Welcome to the journey of knowledge, to the journey of life. UserIdTAG: 185470 UserNameTAG: vifo CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T11:22:54Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Ulysses Alfred Lord Tennyson It little profits that an idle king, By this still hearth, among these barren crags, Match'd with an aged wife, I mete and dole Unequal laws unto a savage race, That hoard, and sleep, and feed, and know not me. I cannot rest from travel: I will drink Life to the lees: all times I have enjoyed Greatly, have suffered greatly, both with those That loved me, and alone; on shore, and when Through scudding drifts the rainy Hyades Vexed the dim sea: I am become a name; For always roaming with a hungry heart Much have I seen and known; cities of men And manners, climates, councils, governments, Myself not least, but honoured of them all; And drunk delight of battle with my peers; Far on the ringing plains of windy Troy. I am a part of all that I have met; Yet all experience is an arch wherethrough Gleams that untravelled world, whose margin fades For ever and for ever when I move. How dull it is to pause, to make an end, To rust unburnished, not to shine in use! As though to breathe were life. Life piled on life Were all too little, and of one to me Little remains: but every hour is saved From that eternal silence, something more, A bringer of new things; and vile it were For some three suns to store and hoard myself, And this grey spirit yearning in desire To follow knowledge like a sinking star, Beyond the utmost bound of human thought. This is my son, mine own Telemachus, To whom I leave the sceptre and the isle — Well-loved of me, discerning to fulfil This labour, by slow prudence to make mild A rugged people, and through soft degrees Subdue them to the useful and the good. Most blameless is he, centred in the sphere Of common duties, decent not to fail In offices of tenderness, and pay Meet adoration to my household gods, When I am gone. He works his work, I mine. There lies the port; the vessel puffs her sail: There gloom the dark broad seas. My mariners, Souls that have toil'd, and wrought, and thought with me — That ever with a frolic welcome took The thunder and the sunshine, and opposed Free hearts, free foreheads — you and I are old; Old age hath yet his honour and his toil; Death closes all: but something ere the end, Some work of noble note, may yet be done, Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods. The lights begin to twinkle from the rocks: The long day wanes: the slow moon climbs: the deep Moans round with many voices. Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world. Push off, and sitting well in order smite The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths Of all the western stars, until I die. It may be that the gulfs will wash us down: It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles, And see the great Achilles, whom we knew Tho' much is taken, much abides; and though We are not now that strength which in old days Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. [Tennyson's "Ulysses" first appeared in Morte D'Arthur, and Other Idyls. By Alfred Tennyson. London: Edward Moxon, Dover Street, MDCCCXLII. pp. 67. This, however, was a trial book, printed but not published. The first publication of the poem occurred in Poems by Alfred Tennyson. In Two Volumes. London: Edward Moxon, Dover Street. MDCCCXLII. pp. vii, 233; vii, 231. See "Chronology" in Henry Van Dyke's Studies in Tennyson (Port Washington, NY: Kennikat, 1920; rpt., 1966). The text of the poem has been checked against the version in Victorian Prose and Poetry, ed. Lionel Trilling and Harold Bloom (New York, Oxford, and Toronto: Oxford U. P., 1973) pp. 416-418. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 185470 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vifo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T11:44:43Z SecondChildTAG: A true find and heralds the course content. Thanks for sharing. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1095291 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Pat1929 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T15:04:56Z SecondChildTAG: One of my absolute favourites -- I shall be 78 in a couple of weeks and share some of his feelings! Richard in Montreal SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1203662 SecondChildUserNameTAG: rhlock1935 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T21:39:59Z SecondChildTAG: An excellent introduction. Thanks again for sharing. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1117342 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jack1946 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T22:09:31Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks Vifo, I didn't know this text. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T15:41:17Z FirstChildTAG: I hadn't read this in a long time. Thanks for posting. Margaret FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017741 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Margaret22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T13:05:03Z IndexTAG: 101 TitleTAG: Greetings From Greece Hello, everyone. I' m so thrilled about this course. Can't wait starting with it! UserIdTAG: 1240703 UserNameTAG: Erza CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:16:09Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 15 FirstChildTAG: Hello!!!!Yanna from Katerini :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277235 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Yannoula FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T13:24:16Z SecondChildTAG: Hello!! Eleni from Athens! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1398570 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Heleni SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T07:47:45Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I' m Pashalia from Thessaloniki FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282750 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pashakoufidou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T22:31:03Z FirstChildTAG: Hi I am Maria from Thessaloniki and this is my first ever online class. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1366687 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kouklaki1972 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:58:57Z SecondChildTAG: Hope you enjoy it! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1327668 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Boyuan SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T17:47:20Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Paxos, we nead e greek hero NOW again FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1140958 FirstChildUserNameTAG: andreaspaxos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T12:24:51Z FirstChildTAG: Hello fellow-students! Here is Gianna..from (near) Volos! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1194180 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gianna_z FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T20:36:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everybody! I'm Katerina from Athens. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1286721 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KaterinaK FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T19:58:48Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I'm Marianna from Athens. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T21:48:16Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from beautiful island of Chios, island of Homerus! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1371672 SecondChildUserNameTAG: VayaSarri SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T09:59:30Z FirstChildTAG: There are a few other Greeks here. Where are you from in GR? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240675 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HaggenKennedy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:25:22Z SecondChildTAG: Hello From Elli in Athens. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228881 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stockingsandsocks SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T16:11:02Z SecondChildTAG: hey! Constantina from northern Greece! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 311339 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Constantine-Mary SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T16:50:57Z SecondChildTAG: hi!!!nana from athens!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1171306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nanak82 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T17:02:48Z SecondChildTAG: I hope you are fine! Greetings from Thessaloniki! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1138288 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mapolitou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T18:52:56Z SecondChildTAG: Hello everyone! Eleni from Athens! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1242772 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EleniLyk SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T21:21:59Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! Alexandros from Wales - although coming from Thessaloniki! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1036894 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexandros81 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T21:22:25Z SecondChildTAG: Hello everyone!! Ntinos from Piraeus!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1244258 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ntinos1986 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:13:08Z SecondChildTAG: hi! evgenia from athens! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1244281 SecondChildUserNameTAG: eugenia_greece SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:17:19Z SecondChildTAG: Nice reading your messages. U made my day!I am from Kyklades, Naxos. We will be talking... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Erza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:35:56Z SecondChildTAG: Hello everyone! Ria from Drama SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1227255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ria4 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T10:24:51Z SecondChildTAG: Hello!! Ioanna From Drama!! I am so happy to find so many Greeks here!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1065692 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JoannaMiller01 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T10:55:21Z SecondChildTAG: Hello everyone!I'm Christine from Athens! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1246560 SecondChildUserNameTAG: alkyone SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T11:26:10Z SecondChildTAG: Hi !!!! Lily from athens :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1247853 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lilyek SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T14:12:16Z SecondChildTAG: Hi everyone! Eleni from Euboea, now living in Athens:) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1142293 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EleniL SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T09:15:00Z SecondChildTAG: Hi! Amalia from Athens SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1217168 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AmaliaL SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T11:30:58Z SecondChildTAG: Hello !!!!Olga from Athens. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1193566 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tsiapiolgk SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T11:55:12Z SecondChildTAG: Hello, from Tirnavos, Greece, I am an educator and I am very glad to partcipate in a group with similar interests and concerns on Greek history, heroes and philosophy!!! Greetings (xairetismata) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 SecondChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T18:37:42Z SecondChildTAG: Hi everyone!I'm Zoe from Patra. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1251907 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ZoeKrioni92 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T18:46:06Z SecondChildTAG: Hello!!I am Georgia from Athens...Nice to meet you all!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1071228 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Eria SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T20:28:25Z SecondChildTAG: Hallo! Christina from Mnt Olympus area ;) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1263414 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Chrisody SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T07:44:46Z SecondChildTAG: Greetings from Chania Crete. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T12:25:16Z SecondChildTAG: Manolis from Piraeus here! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270406 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rhodokanakis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T09:23:40Z SecondChildTAG: Hi everyone!!!!!!!Yanna from Katerini. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1277235 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Yannoula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T13:26:05Z SecondChildTAG: Hello παιδιά!Ioanna from Thessaloniki! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1282696 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jmathetria SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T23:45:56Z SecondChildTAG: Hi there! I m Eleftheria from Chalkidiki! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1294591 SecondChildUserNameTAG: liakara SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T10:48:45Z SecondChildTAG: hi guys!!I'm Christina from Trikala in Thessaly...I'm looking forward to start this course..I'm interested in ancient heroes and mythology in general.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1237399 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ChrisPap SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T18:23:49Z SecondChildTAG: Hi!! Maria from Athens :) Looking forward to start and exchange our points of view.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1324163 SecondChildUserNameTAG: karali1983 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T19:34:31Z SecondChildTAG: Hello everybody!!! Thodoras from Ptolemaida, northen GR!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1267581 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Thodoras SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T16:04:49Z SecondChildTAG: hellooooooooooo iam konstantina from Ioannina!for now iam living in Athens SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1332334 SecondChildUserNameTAG: konstantinarapti SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T20:40:39Z SecondChildTAG: hellow from Thessaloniki!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T08:11:56Z SecondChildTAG: Hi!Anna from Ioannina. I teach in secondary education and have a Phd in philosophy. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1296331 SecondChildUserNameTAG: annboukou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T19:11:11Z SecondChildTAG: hallo guys i am Theodora from Athens! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1345907 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 2718301 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T12:45:36Z SecondChildTAG: Hi!!! Dimitra from Athens !! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1350536 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dimitra91 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T22:49:45Z SecondChildTAG: Hi!!!! I am Efthalia and i currently live in Nafplio where i am a student, my third year, at School of Fine Arts, Depertment of Theatrical Studies!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228866 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Efthalia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T23:09:02Z SecondChildTAG: hallo! I'm Manya, in Grammatiko near Marathon.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 893044 SecondChildUserNameTAG: manyamar SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:01:23Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! I'm Kallia from Crete!! I'm looking forward to the course!!! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1360205 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KalliaCh SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T11:55:42Z SecondChildTAG: Hello everyone! Anais from Athens!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1286136 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hyakinthe SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T23:09:10Z SecondChildTAG: Hi from elissavet from Paros island and student at the kapodistrian university of athens!παιδια εχω μια απορια με αυτο το μαθημα παιρνουμε καποια βεβαιωση οτι το εχουμε παρακολουθησει για να το προσθεδουμε στο βιογραφικο και στις γνωσεις μας? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1235414 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elliparos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:04:56Z SecondChildTAG: happy to see a lot of greek people in this course!! I dont know a lot about the process but i will learn step by step i think! Pinelopi from Athens! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300787 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pinelopi1991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T11:38:11Z SecondChildTAG: Hello!I'm Eleni from Athens! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1281055 SecondChildUserNameTAG: megaloec SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T20:22:46Z SecondChildTAG: chrysa from zakynthos! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270396 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CB89 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T07:24:43Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, I'm Persefone. Greetings from Thrace SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343062 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Persefone3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T06:47:03Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, I am Lina from Messini. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 361393 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Linak SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T23:32:53Z SecondChildTAG: Hi I'm Nelly from Athens SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270646 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NellyFili SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T21:36:31Z SecondChildTAG: hi i'm bill from trikala !!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1349228 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vrantos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T22:28:18Z SecondChildTAG: Hello, I am Katherine. It is wonderful to see all of you from Greece participating in class. I am an American living in Alexandria, Egypt. I love living in the footsteps of Alexander the Great and other amazing ancient Greeks that once lived and created here. I hope to get to Greece this year to see the rich ancient history and culture. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 855300 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SpiritedRN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T23:25:24Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! I'm Maria from Piraeus. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1332987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maroulucky FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T23:46:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I from Russia. Ειμαι Ελληνιδα. =))) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 938366 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Julia2604 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T08:42:29Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! Alexandra από Thessaloniki! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1302711 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Alexandra_92 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T19:01:13Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everybody!I'm Zoi and I'm from Larisa.I hope we will enjoy the course and share interesting ideas and opinions. Good luck to all of you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1404879 FirstChildUserNameTAG: zoi71 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T17:25:35Z FirstChildTAG: Υγιαίνετε, Emmanuela from Crete ! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1258243 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Myrtida FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T16:23:42Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! I'm Maria from Piraeus. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1332987 SecondChildUserNameTAG: maroulucky SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T23:42:54Z SecondChildTAG: Pleasure to meet a greek colleague in the course - Ivan - Brazil SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1399789 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ierocha SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T21:26:53Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! I am Lampros from Athens. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1408002 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TsiorisLampros FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T18:40:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I am Voula from Thessaloniki. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1335694 FirstChildUserNameTAG: voulakatr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T17:09:06Z IndexTAG: 102 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece! Hello everyone! I am Eleni from Athens, Greece. I am very excited about this lesson! Very nice to meet you all! UserIdTAG: 1239443 UserNameTAG: elenpi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T08:47:35Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: hello eleni!!!i am nana from athens!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1171306 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nanak82 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:48:19Z SecondChildTAG: Nice, δύο ελληνίδες εδώ. I'm Kennedy, from Brazil. Έμεινα στη χώρα των θεών, όμως, a few years ago. :-) Welcome, you guys. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240675 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HaggenKennedy SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:19:24Z SecondChildTAG: hi kennedy!!!χωρα των θεων,τελειο!!!nice to meet you!!!i hope this course will be great and we will have the chance to meet nice people!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1171306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nanak82 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:52:29Z SecondChildTAG: Hey Eleni!! I am Ioanna From Serres!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1065692 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JoannaMiller01 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T11:38:14Z SecondChildTAG: Hey,I'm Μαριαλενα,from Volos!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1129888 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MarialenaDand SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T21:53:29Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to both of you. I am Eirini from Naxos, Greece. Nice writing to you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:21:00Z SecondChildTAG: hello eirini!!!nice to meet you!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1171306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nanak82 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:53:21Z SecondChildTAG: You, too, Nana! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Erza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:36:51Z SecondChildTAG: Γειά σου Νάξος,Σέρρες, Βόλος .. γειά σου πατρίδα, κορίτσια έχουμε και ελληνική ομάδα στο facebook εάν σας ενδιαφέρει: https://www.facebook.com/groups/353368628101530/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:34:48Z IndexTAG: 103 TitleTAG: zafi Greetings from Greece!! UserIdTAG: 1132398 UserNameTAG: zafira CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T23:48:57Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi Zafi! I´m From Mexico, Nice 2 Meet You FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1058991 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Gustavovar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:03:32Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Zafi and Gustavovar! Nice to meet you. @Gustavovar: I'm from Mexico too! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 148311 SecondChildUserNameTAG: narielg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T01:57:53Z FirstChildTAG: Zafi and to all, goodmorning from Athens, Hellas/Greece FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T07:32:08Z SecondChildTAG: Nice to meet you. This is Eirini from Naxos, Greece. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Erza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:29:36Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:21:28Z IndexTAG: 104 TitleTAG: Hello Brazil! Hello, my name is Yasmin and I'm 10 years old. I'm very happy to join this course, because I love Greek Heroes! UserIdTAG: 935625 UserNameTAG: YASMIN-YGS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:40:45Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 9 FirstChildTAG: Hello Yasmin :D where are you from? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1058991 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Gustavovar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:43:07Z SecondChildTAG: I'm from São Paulo :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935625 SecondChildUserNameTAG: YASMIN-YGS SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:54:01Z FirstChildTAG: Hello there! I'm an 18-year-old student from Rio. Nice to meet you all! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 999068 FirstChildUserNameTAG: robledofilho FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:30:29Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1208469 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Producer FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:51:10Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Yasmin! I'm so glad you're joining us! Good job, baby! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:08:12Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone! I'm from Guaíra-Paraná, it's nice to see that we have so many brazilians in this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1239593 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BMath FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T10:41:58Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Brazilian, I'm from Goiania, Goias. It's wonderful to see all of you here! Good luck with the classes! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 926082 FirstChildUserNameTAG: marshalgaioso FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:19:05Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:19:47Z FirstChildTAG: Salvador/BA here. :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240675 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HaggenKennedy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:22:29Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! I'm Brazilian, I'm from Paraíba. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1007535 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pkathy86 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:18:27Z IndexTAG: 105 TitleTAG: Google+ Community Started... I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett UserIdTAG: 1228518 UserNameTAG: NickGarnett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T05:45:38Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi Nick! Already joined! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1162314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmyIniguez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:42:59Z FirstChildTAG: Good Grief, Nick! Did you post this message as a comment on every new "Hello" forum thread that has been created? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 902982 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ferthalangur FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T15:39:00Z FirstChildTAG: I saw this post and joined Google+. I've never used Google+ before so I have no idea what I'm doing, but then again I've never taken a Greek Mythology course either so I figured what the heck. Found this community but not sure how to join. Looks like joining means just adding a post to the community page? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 905366 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kris-W FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T07:19:39Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Kris. To join the community, follow the link (presuming that you are already signed in to Google) and you should see a banner that says "Join this Community to Post or Comment" with a red lozenge to click. Click on that and you are part of the Google+ community. You don't have to post to join, but you do have to join to post. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 902982 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ferthalangur SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T16:51:24Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 905366 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Kris-W SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T22:44:41Z IndexTAG: 106 TitleTAG: Why this course... I find that as I am now fully in my middle aged years of life I have let go of what I am supposed to be, what's been dictated to me by family,society, and culture and all of the other things that instead of just shaping who we are often dictate who we should be. As I delve more deeply into what it means to be fully human I am seeking the wisdom and insight of philosophies from many different perspectives. I have read much about Eastern philosophy and have learned a tremendous amount from that. I am sad to say that in my education thus far I know nothing about Greek mythology and nothing more than cursory knowledge of Socrates and Plato. I am incredibly excited about this opportunity and I'm eager to learn more from each of you. I love that our group is global. Such a cool way to hear so many different perspectives! UserIdTAG: 905366 UserNameTAG: Kris-W CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:38:24Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: good to share the course with you... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 462642 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ANDYFLOG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:38:30Z FirstChildTAG: :) Same here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 951837 FirstChildUserNameTAG: shalifa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T22:06:54Z IndexTAG: 107 TitleTAG: Hello from Ohio, USA Hello all! I'm a fiction writer from the USA (Toledo, Ohio), and though I read the works of Homer long ago, I'm keen to revisit them. I hope to increase my understanding of the Ancient Greek Hero and thereby strengthen the hero character type of my own work. I look forward to discussing the texts with folks from all over the world! Best of luck to everyone! UserIdTAG: 35612 UserNameTAG: SLWilliams01 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:53:26Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello there, Nice to meet people from all over the world. Your approach as a writer is quite interesting. I am looking forward to the courses. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:43:43Z SecondChildTAG: I'm also very excited about this course!I have recently finished the Biblical Literature course and now ready for new studies! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 909575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: allasobirova SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:16:54Z IndexTAG: 108 TitleTAG: Hello from East Anglia, UK Hi My name is Nick Garnett and I've just signed up for CB22x and I'm very excited about studying again and about studying in this new exciting way. I started studying Art History for a BA degree when I was 40 (60 now) but had to give up due to family commitments (children needed feeding). I can't tell you how excited I am to be a member of this community. I'm an IT manager and musician. Anyone wants to speak to me, please do Nick Garnett UserIdTAG: 1228518 UserNameTAG: NickGarnett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:52:58Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: hi Nick, this is Mirto, from Athens, Greece; same here, I left college long ago to start a family, I never thought I could have a chance to get education from Harvard (!) and I am really thrilled to see so many people from so many places around the world to be interested in the ancient Greek hero class of Prof. Nagy. A fantastic experience has begun :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:21:58Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Mirto Look forward to connecting with you Nick SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:07:10Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Nick, Also from East Anglia! I'm working in London and travelling from Ipswich each day. I work in insurance and we insure lots of Greek ships, so I've got a connection already! Jonathan FirstChildUserIdTAG: 907803 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jonagold FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:02:08Z IndexTAG: 109 TitleTAG: ΓΕΙΑ ΣΑΣ (HELLO), FROM GREECE I am Vasiliki and i read socrates and plato my wholle life. I am very exited for my participation in this course and i am really thankfull to all these people who chosen to learn more about our Great Greek heroes. I wish to everyone to have a nice and amazing trip. UserIdTAG: 1010937 UserNameTAG: vasilikideli CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:14:53Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: hi vasiliki i'am maria and i am also excited about this course. but i am also a bit worried. do you know how this thing works? is the prof. going to upload videos and we will watch it whenever we can within the time limits or do we need to download a programme? i'll be reaaly grateful if you could help me. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1218595 FirstChildUserNameTAG: markazaki FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:49:02Z SecondChildTAG: Hi girls.I am eirini!You don't have to download a programme,the prof will upload videos and we will watch whenever we can. Don't be worried.It's easy and enjoying too... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 608442 SecondChildUserNameTAG: eg306 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:52:13Z SecondChildTAG: thank you eirini. iappreciate it and i am looking forward to it.it sounds nice!!!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1218595 SecondChildUserNameTAG: markazaki SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:14:21Z FirstChildTAG: Geia sas koritsia Kai Apostoli Eimai i Eleni apo tin Australia. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:27:14Z FirstChildTAG: Βασιλική καλησπέρα!!! Έκανα κι εγώ ένα post πριν λίγο με όνομα The Mythologists - Facebook Group, σε προσκαλώ να το διαβάσεις και αν σου αρέσει να έρθεις μαζί μας και να του κάνεις και vote!!! Με τιμή, Αποστόλης :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895514 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mythologist FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:47:20Z IndexTAG: 110 TitleTAG: English as second language and fast and slow reading If one reads in a foreign language, can fast reading be ever achieved? You have to translate, ponder on the meanings of words, rearrange that sentence structure in your head again, and so on. I find it very nice to have the opportunity of reading Iliad twice, for if I want to read it in my normal (quite) fast pace of mothertongue, then maybe the main happenings remain, but nothing else. UserIdTAG: 35575 UserNameTAG: Justagirl CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:30:27Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I can only admire your tenacity - I speak a French passably but couldn't think of undertaking this course in French. I hope you succeed FirstChildUserIdTAG: 20879 FirstChildUserNameTAG: forevergreen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:56:51Z SecondChildTAG: It is the length of reading, but maybe I will read them in my mothertongue till 13th March, and have the texts next to the computer when reading the English one. I remember Odyssey having taken 2 days back then, when in mothertongue and free weekend :) . On the other hand, if I don't have luck, then the translators will mix me up perfectly. :) I'm curious if the English translations are in prose (with more possible accuracy) or in verse (free your mind style). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:23:04Z SecondChildTAG: I'm Lenny (Muellner), chair of the board of readers for this course. What you say makes sense: do the "fast reading" in your mother tongue (try to find a more recent translation if you can, one that facilitates reading fast!) and do the slow reading in English. The translations of Homer that we will use are as close to the Greek as possible. It would be great for us to know how things work out for you, since I'm sure there are others, many others, who face the same problem, and we're interested in solutions! Keep posting as the course goes on so we can learn together what works best! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1241825 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lenny_Muellner SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T02:06:11Z SecondChildTAG: Well, I actually thought that doing the fast reading in english, wich is also a second language of mine, meant we could just skip words that we didn't understand, I mean, if you at least have an idea of what the text is talking about, you know? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222688 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Julinha SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T15:17:05Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you, Lenny Muellner, I will keep posting, now I am at the Δ . I read on the tram. :) The translation is a fluent and consistent one of Gábor Devecseri, if not so recent, but XXth century language, hexameter. I intend to read the Sourcebook too, but I think this will add a help to my English. Hm, then the Sourcebook will be close to Greek. May I ask if any of the specific class translation techniques are to be used? I mean wording or grammar specially altered? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T14:47:00Z IndexTAG: 111 TitleTAG: Hello from tropical Australia! It's so terrific to see people from around the world taking this course! Technology is amazing :-) I'm an American living in tropical Australia ![enter image description here][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13609203551343686.jpg UserIdTAG: 969448 UserNameTAG: ktmioko CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:27:02Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Nice flower! Yes, internet is amazing. Different cultures mean different way of thinking about a lot of things ... for me, it's still a school of life. Sometimes it's not for the faint of heart (wars, religions, politics). Ciao! Verona - Italy FirstChildUserIdTAG: 185733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ipezzei FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:24:26Z FirstChildTAG: I liked the photo and the flower you posted :) I think it's a friendly step from your side :) Warm greetings from Yerevan, Armenia! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 966253 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SonaMito FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T20:45:50Z FirstChildTAG: Beautiful!! Beautiful!! Thanks so much for posting and for enrolling! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T19:09:44Z IndexTAG: 112 TitleTAG: Hello from modern Athens Hello from Greece, i am very happy for this course hoping that i learn more. Thank you Marietta UserIdTAG: 1143228 UserNameTAG: MARDRI CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:19:57Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 12 FirstChildTAG: hi Marietta.I am from Greece too, from Patras.I am very pleased to know that there is an other person from Greece.My name is Nemis Felonis teacher in a Lyceum of Patras. Wellcome FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1135146 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nemfelonis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:03:33Z SecondChildTAG: Hello to both of you. There are a lot of people from Greece here, which is good. My name is Dimitra and I am an archaeologist, currenlty living in Crete. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:36:26Z SecondChildTAG: Hello guys !!!!! I'm very happy to see so many Greek people here !!! I'm lily, i'm from Athens and i study archaeology! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1247853 SecondChildUserNameTAG: lilyek SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T14:27:33Z SecondChildTAG: hello from athens! i m Dimitra, I study philology in Patra. I hope that this will be a wonderful travel for all of us! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1289021 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Dimitroula1984 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T15:40:48Z SecondChildTAG: hallo i'm from athens i studied two years linquistics at the aristotely university and now i study primary education in athens at the kapodistiran university! happy to know you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1235414 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elliparos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:09:43Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Marietta, hi Nemis, Athens here too :) this is Mirto, I'm so glad we can share this FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:22:22Z FirstChildTAG: hi, I am Giorgos, from Piraeus Γεια σας, είμαι ο Γιώργος από τον Πειραιά FirstChildUserIdTAG: 46785 FirstChildUserNameTAG: posidon04 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:56:46Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Mirto, Marietta, Nemis. I'm from Athens and study Greek civilisation. Olga FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1193566 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tsiapiolgk FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:58:35Z FirstChildTAG: Hi to all my simpatriotes- I am Helen (eleni) from Adelaide Australia. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:38:41Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everybody! I'm Amalia from Athens. Glad to meet you in this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1217168 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AmaliaL FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:30:44Z FirstChildTAG: Telikws eimaste polloi Ellhnes kai edw! Evelpistw se mia apsogh metaksy mas synergasia an kai gnwmh mou einai oti den tha mas entaksoun pollous ellhnes mazi sthn idia omada! Opws kai na'xei kalh epityxia se olous mas! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017326 FirstChildUserNameTAG: feny FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:53:42Z FirstChildTAG: Nice to hearing from everyone this is Feny! Also Athens!!! Καλή μας αρχή!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017326 FirstChildUserNameTAG: feny FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:55:12Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Giannitsa!I' m Chara!Good start for all of us! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1152746 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CharaCharism88 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:59:56Z FirstChildTAG: I hope all is ok with you all in Athens. I'm quite ignorant of European culture. Do you learn any ancient Greek language in school? Does modern Greek have the same grammatical structure as ancient Greek? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: chekov FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:39:02Z FirstChildTAG: I am very happy for this great communication between us, and i am really impressed of your pation and interesting ideas. For example, i read the thaugts about Antigone or other proposals for heros, and the overview about this course. For the last one,i stood more 1. in the connection between the past and the present (...*from Jacques Offenbach's opera Tales of Hoffman to Ridley Scott's science fiction classic Blade Runner*)and 2. in the meaning of the anti-hero (especially when we refer to Antigone). About the (1) i am just recalling the memory of a relative suceesful exhibition : http://www.beetroot.gr/362-the-greek-monsters-exhibition-berlin.html http://www.beetroot.gr/346-the-misunderstood-monsters-of-greek-mythology.html HOPING that we will enjoy this trip to the past...present...and the future.. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1143228 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MARDRI FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T11:51:57Z SecondChildTAG: Hallo everyone!! I was born in Athens but I live under Mnt Olympus...I'm a new member...how can we find our hero?? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1263414 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Chrisody SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T09:30:43Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to all! Kostas from Preveza, Greece. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282021 FirstChildUserNameTAG: samkon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:26:06Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Athens to other fellow Greeks και καλημέρα:). To chekov: we are doing fine, considering, and we are trying our best. We do learn ancient greek at school and no, modern greek did not retain the ancient structure. We do however use the same words and notions as the ancients, as well as many proverbs, idioms etc. In some places (mostly geographically isolated) you will find dialects which are actually the ancient language, one example being Leonidio in Arcadia (their dialect is ancient doric. Leonidio is a small town, isolated by mountains and not important enough for anyone to bother to go and conquer it..). Greetings! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1251553 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Annahou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:31:43Z SecondChildTAG: Samkon, κατα λάθος απάντησα σε σένα, θέλοντας να στείλω ένα γενικό μήνυμα!. Σόρρυ! Sorry guys, learning the ropes here, the above was meant to be a general response! My bad!:) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1251553 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Annahou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T23:42:33Z IndexTAG: 113 TitleTAG: Hello from India Hello! I am Dr Charu Mathur an Indian, lawyer by profession and love to teach business law. I am here because of my 8 year old boy. He has keen interest in Greek and Roman mythology. He is in grade 4 and is going to conduct quiz on Greek myths in his school for seniors. Just to remain relevant to his interest i am taking this course. Both men in my life my son and husband are Greek junkies and would like to be at par with them. After reading Percy Jackson my son considers himself as son of Poseidon and his dad consider himself as Zeus!!. Apart from that when i started reading Greek myths i have also began interested. Hope i take and complete this course and present them with certificate from HARVARD on Greek heroes. Thanks for launching this course. UserIdTAG: 885081 UserNameTAG: charumathur CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T05:14:54Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Interesting! Well, welcome fellow cohort and good luck with the course. I'm sure it'll be entertaining and enlightening.. and not too difficult. I loved mythology when I was younger (still do). The stories of the old gods and the culture of those who believed in them, I contrasted them with the modern day religions and cultures. I always found it interesting.. the different versions and details of the religions/mythologies. For example, almost no one agreed on who the primordial deities were.. which also said something about how they thought.. what they thought were the most basic elements of the universe. Hesiod believed the primordials to be (taken from wikipedia): Chaos (Void, Air, arche) Erebus (Darkness) Aether (Light) Gaia (Earth) Uranus (Heaven) The Ourea (Mountains) Pontus (Water, the Seas) Tartarus (the great stormy Hellpit, which was seen as both a deity and the personification) Eros (Procreation) From what I've read about the primordials, they are what came before the titans. Whereas the gods/goddesses are what came after the titans. Anyways.. kind of went off on a random tangent but nonetheless, This course should be fun and probably inspire many more random tangents I'm sure! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 147193 FirstChildUserNameTAG: theCharger FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:40:33Z SecondChildTAG: yup! It should SecondChildUserIdTAG: 885081 SecondChildUserNameTAG: charumathur SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T15:57:31Z IndexTAG: 114 TitleTAG: Hello from Ukraine! Hello everyone, I'm Inga, from Ukraine, I'm happy to be here and have this wonderful opportunity to widen my knowledge.I studied literature at college, and I would really love to refresh my memory))). Will be happy to study here with you guys! Good luck to everyone! UserIdTAG: 935101 UserNameTAG: Inga26 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:12:49Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Welcome Inga! I'am from Lithuania. Great to see so many people joining. We can start this course with some fun: An italian and a greek were arguing about who did what. - the greek guy said, we have acropolis - the italian guy said, we have colosseum - the greek guy said we have alexander the great - the italian guy said we have Cesar - the greek guy said we have have fetta - the italian guy said we have mozzarella... - the greek guy said, we invented democracy - the italian guy said, we invented the senate - after a long discussion, the greek guy goes "we invented sex" - and the italian guy replies, "and we introduced it to women"! Have a nice San Valentino <3 Saulius FirstChildUserIdTAG: 723693 FirstChildUserNameTAG: solarbunny FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:21:27Z SecondChildTAG: Heeyy, I am from Colombia, greetings, I hope that we will have an unforgettable course!.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1178975 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johanpinilla SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:30:31Z SecondChildTAG: I hope so!!! Greetings! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935101 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Inga26 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:32:33Z SecondChildTAG: Hello, neighbour! I m from Latvia! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1150691 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ViktorijaPutneva SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:53:05Z FirstChildTAG: hello. let's get acquainted?! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1030948 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fadeeva FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:43:54Z SecondChildTAG: hello!!!! Let's! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935101 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Inga26 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:30:52Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! I`m from Ukraine too! My name is Irina (Rina). This is very interesting to learn about oher culture from literature! I hope it will be greate! If U want U can add me as a friend http://vk.com/id25230019 so we do not lose each other! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1083309 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rina_Shee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:04:09Z FirstChildTAG: http://vk.com/club50806042 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 938366 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Julia2604 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T11:02:37Z IndexTAG: 115 TitleTAG: Why do I read I read because I love escaping into other places, lives and perspectives. I learn through their experiences and ask myself what would it be like to travel there or think like them. Reading opens my horizons in ways that never cease to amaze me. Reading makes me wonder. UserIdTAG: 1178998 UserNameTAG: upsydasy CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:08:50Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: For me, reading is traveling. In time, space and thought. No matter where you are. No matter what you do, you can always take your favourite book, or that newly discovered gem in the library or the net, and start traveling. I love it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 743321 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Pa_CR FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:15:45Z FirstChildTAG: Reading is simply...living many lives ! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 983090 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LumiAnge FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:28:52Z FirstChildTAG: The person who reads lives many lives (vicariously) and understands many points of view. Others are trapped in their own points of view. I write mysteries (NICE WORK by Denise Weeks and MURDER BY THE MARFA LIGHTS by Denise Weeks) and fantasy (under a pen name), and I hope those who read my books travel with my viewpoint characters to other lands and to places they'd never otherwise be able to go. I can't remember a time when I didn't read, and I was always a writer/ storyteller. I had no idea there would be so many people taking this course! Welcome, cohorts! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1080715 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ShalannaCollins FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:39:33Z SecondChildTAG: Glad to know that there are other writers here, even if you're much further along than me! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1009273 SecondChildUserNameTAG: VEVancollie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T00:49:53Z FirstChildTAG: I totally agree with all of you. I love reading cause I get to make myself feel like someone else sometimes and relate to what I am reading. You learn so much from reading also. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 411228 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aimster FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:08:50Z SecondChildTAG: This is pretty much why I love reading too. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1001619 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AngieS SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:18:33Z FirstChildTAG: I read because I feel that a lot of times I can relate to what I am reading about. I also enjoy reading cause I learn so much about places and things. I enjoy these online classes cause I get to interact with people from all over the world and learn from all of them. Look forward to learning from everyone. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 411228 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aimster FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:36:05Z IndexTAG: 116 TitleTAG: Hello fellow students Bonjour tout le monde, my name is Dominique and I live in Canada. I can’t wait to start studying with you all. I have always been interested in the meaning of the Iliad and I am so excited about this wonderful opportunity to learn more about it. UserIdTAG: 1178998 UserNameTAG: upsydasy CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:52:36Z VoteTAG:3 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Bonjour Dominique! So happy to be here too, June in Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:33:31Z FirstChildTAG: Bonjour Dominique! My French isn't very good, but I look forward to hearing how Greek mythology is interpreted and affected in different parts of the world. But I'm not too far away from you - I'm in New Hampshire. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1029978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AndyBrown321 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:52:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Dominique! I'm so glad you're here with us - I love it when people are as excited about something as I am! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T22:04:28Z IndexTAG: 117 TitleTAG: κλέος ἵκετ' Ἀχαιῶν κλέος ἵκετ' Ἀχαιῶν I think Butler’s translation here (“glory from the Achaeans” rather than “of the Achaeans”) is more convincing. I think the genitive (“Ἀχαιῶν”) is not possessive but denotes some action (Γενική Κατηγορηματική). It more probably denotes the source of the glory, i.e. that glory which can be extracted from facing the Achaeans or by fighting against them or in their midst. An interesting 3rd alternative translation is also offered: “he went after the rumour of the coming of the Achaeans” whereby it is not Iphidamas coming to the Achaeans but the Achaean glory coming to Iphidamas’ land. In this translation the word κλέος is translated as “roumor” rather than as “glory”. But in any event it is in my view unlikely that Iphidamas seeks to make it into the epic poems of his enemies as suggested by prof. Nagy. Rather Iphidamas aspires victory and glory on his own right, and hopes epics will be sung about him among and by his own people (as indeed might have happened). We can assume that he cares little for partaking in Achaean glory, least for making it in the Iliad. This of course does not change the validity of the notions around micro and macro narrative, although it may cast some doubt on the notion of relative importance of a hero's life, although I am sure we will read more on this subject later on in the course. UserIdTAG: 1256700 UserNameTAG: PanagiotisPerysinakis CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T17:51:13Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: This is a very interesting point of view about Iphidamas. I wonder,however,whether the composer(s) and the audience he/they address determine at some extend who gets in whose song. What do you or anyone else think about this? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T02:09:13Z SecondChildTAG: Well I guess what you are talking about is the relevant point of view. Our point of view is that of Homer, addressing a Greek audience and narrating the exploits of Greek heroes, making incidental reference here to the pursuit of glory of one man (Iphidamas) among the enemies. However I think that, this notwithstanding, the glory that Iphidamas is pursuing (even from the point of view of an Achaean audience) is the glory of his own people. I don't think that anyone would be under any illusion, in thinking that Iphidamas is really primarily aspiring to make it into the poems of his enemies - although if this is an incidental consequence of heroic exploits against the enemy, then it would be a welcome consequence. In other words, I think the point of view of the poet, conveys the point of view of the protagonist (in this case Iphidamas), as would be perceived by any audience. The heroic ideal therefore would be equal and comparable across the embattled camps, i.e. the two heroes have common aspirations. And that is what makes the story of Iphidamas noteworthy, because one can make the substitution for Achilles, precisely because one is able to make this projection of one's values to the other. The two heroes are united by this common heroic ideal. They are in this sense equal in a qualitative sense, even though they are of course very unequal in a quantitative sense. But I may be wrong of course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1256700 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PanagiotisPerysinakis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T11:46:01Z SecondChildTAG: I agree with the conclusion of your answer, and I don't think that we should label our opinions as right, or wrong. We have a wonderful discussion here, and we just support our thesis with arguments. I am still meditating on Iphidamas' aspirations to be included into his enemies' poems, or not... Call me crazy, but this makes me recall the lyrics of a song that I am sure you have heard: "Fame". I am writing part of the song: "I got more in me/ **And you can set it free**/I can catch the moon in my hands/**Don't you know who I am/Remember my name/Fame/ I'm gonna live forever**/I'm gonna learn how to fly/High/**I feel it coming together/People will see me and cry/Fame/I'm gonna make it to heaven/Light up the sky like a flame/Fame/I'm gonna live forever/Baby remember my name/Remember/Remember/Remember**" Iphidamas could sing this song if he lived now. And this "baby" who must remember his name could be either his people, or his enemies or both--the whole world.He just want to live forever, and to be remembered, and this medium is his enemies' song, then he is going to be there. Crazy approach, I know... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T03:23:04Z SecondChildTAG: Why do I feel that Professor Nagy has used the same song in his course? Anyone of the alumni... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T03:25:46Z IndexTAG: 118 TitleTAG: Iliad scroll III Hello all, I started the reading of scroll III, and you won't believe it, my question is about the first paragraph. Is there someone in this cohort who was an opinion on the nature of *Okeanos*? Should we see *Okeanos* as a geographic entity, (a ring of water around the known world) based on the interpretation that the visual art on The shield of Achilles (Il 18, 478-608) represents a geographical image of the World? Another interpretation is that Okeanos is the *cordon sanitaire* between physical and metaphysical wanderings (Od 24, 1-14). In other opinions, the *mighty river* is used as a metaphor for the great vitality of the World and for the connection between the living and the spirits. I wonder if someone can shine some light on this issue.. Iliad III; starting lines: *[1] When the companies were thus arrayed, each under its own chief, the Trojans advanced as a flight of wild fowl or cranes that scream overhead when rain and winter [5] drive them over the flowing waters of Okeanos to bring death and destruction on the Pygmies, and they wrangle in the air as they fly; but the Achaeans marched silently, in high heart, and minded to stand by one another.* ![enter image description here][1] ![enter image description here][2] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13638111851343666.jpg [2]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13638110761343692.jpg UserIdTAG: 1109885 UserNameTAG: Rien CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T20:28:45Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello Lenny, Thinking aloud; I would call an event where Okeanos is *crossed* - one that takes place on the beaches beyond Okeanos - a metaphysical event; for example a visit to Hades, or a visit to Elysion. Also a metaphysical event can be an event that takes place when Odysseus has no knowledge of where he is; he may fall asleep or wake up. At the end of the journey he wakes up on the beach of Ithaka; how do we know that it has not all taken place in his sleep anyway? He fell asleep after he was very close to Ithaka (Od 10, 31). For the Phaeacians the abstraction stops when they return to reality after their ship has been brought to a standstill by Poseidon, who turns the ship into stone during their passage back to Scheria. Thanks for your suggestion that not all options are mutually exclusive, I will keep that in mind. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rien FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T21:42:50Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Rien, I get it, but I don't get why you want to call it metaphysical. When you cross the Okeanos, if you've started in the everyday world of Homeric epic, you are then in a different place. It's a frontier of some kind, but what's on the other side of it? What's "metaphysical" about Hades for Homeric epic? It's the land of the dead, not something unreal, just not part of this world. Same with sleep: when you sleep in Homer, your *psukhē* (this word is usually translated 'soul', but it isn't a 'soul' in our sense of the word) is less firmly attached to your breathing apparatus (the verb *psukhō* means 'blow') than otherwise, you are close to death (but not dead), and your *psukhē* can go visit someone else who is also asleep and tell them things. So Nestor's *psukhē* visits Agamemnon in the second scroll of the *Iliad*. When you are asleep, then, your *psukhē* can wander around; but when you're dead, it leaves you permanently and you stop breathing and it goes to Hades. In the 24th scroll of the *Odyssey*, the land of dreams is on the other side of the Okeanos. Again, in what sense is the land of dreams metaphysical (in the usual sense of the word)? It might be fun to look at all the things that are on the other side there and see if we can categorize them the way that the Homeric poet and audience would instead of with our categories. See what I mean? Best, Lenny SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1241825 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lenny_Muellner SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T23:29:51Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks! Food for thought. :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rien SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T09:10:26Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Rien, this is Lenny from the board of readers. I like your question a lot, and also the graphics are super. I think this is something that you should figure out. You have two examples that are excellent, and watch out for the principle of reading into the text instead of out of it ("metaphysical" journeys -- not sure that the *Odyssey* has any concept of metaphysics, but it depends on how you define it). That said, what makes you think that the two alternatives you have posited are mutually exclusive? Let's kick this around. Best, Lenny FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1241825 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lenny_Muellner FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T22:54:23Z IndexTAG: 119 TitleTAG: certificate Too many people are asking who is actually going to take a certificate and what do you mean by saying "simply complete all the assessments and quizzes in a ***satisfactory manner*** by June 26th." ? UserIdTAG: 1280297 UserNameTAG: gnikiforou CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T11:03:57Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_Questions NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I also asked this in a round about way on facebook, such as is there a certain amount of "right" answers you have to achieve to earn the certificate. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1437002 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AmeliaSweet FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T11:15:16Z SecondChildTAG: i think only the staff of the course is responsible to answer this. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T11:53:12Z SecondChildTAG: I don't see an option to choose "certificate-seeker". Does that appear later or am I just missing it? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 684654 SecondChildUserNameTAG: davparker SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T05:30:21Z SecondChildTAG: Where are the assessments to complete? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 960583 SecondChildUserNameTAG: P00ch SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T11:19:09Z IndexTAG: 120 TitleTAG: Hello from Salerno, Italy Hello to teachers and students of the course, from Italy, from Salerno. UserIdTAG: 1163596 UserNameTAG: MATTEO60 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T11:59:22Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: A beautiful city Salerno! Ciao Italia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1320351 FirstChildUserNameTAG: David-Vincent FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T16:46:28Z SecondChildTAG: Hello ! to the students and teachers of the course, from Pakistan from Nazia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1328278 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Naziashahid82 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T07:37:56Z SecondChildTAG: Ciao! :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1308647 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EugenieD SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T13:42:49Z SecondChildTAG: Saluti dalla Grecia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1386255 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sacerdotessa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:54:49Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134053 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KPatricia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T00:49:58Z FirstChildTAG: Ciaooo! Elisa, from Brindisi (Italy) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1380105 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Bambla82 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T10:09:18Z FirstChildTAG: Ciao! Salerno e bello. La mia famiglia e da Cerignola, in provincia puglia. Saluti da Connecticut! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 957317 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ppaniccia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T20:49:22Z IndexTAG: 121 TitleTAG: Greedings From ATHENS GREECE seems astonishngly huge the interest of the people around the globe for the Ancient Greek History. catch u soon again fellow students :) UserIdTAG: 1366103 UserNameTAG: Kwnstantinoss CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T17:25:20Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_General NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: υπάρχει και γκρουπ στο facebook για τους Έλληνες https://www.facebook.com/groups/edx.greece/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T08:51:56Z SecondChildTAG: ευχαριστούμε πολύ! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280860 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mariannamartini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T20:54:55Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! I am from Athens too! Σχετικά με το γκρουπ στο facebook ήθελα να ρωτήσω αν υπάρχει και ειδικό γκρουπ για το συγκεριμένο course, γιατί μου φαίνεται πως είναι γενικό γκρουπ για το edx. Μόλις πριν λίγη ώρα έφτιαξα λογαριασμό και έχω ένα σωρό απορίες σχετικά με τα μαθήματα.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1394242 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Demetra_M SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T00:46:11Z FirstChildTAG: So glad to see we have some Greeks that hopefully will share their outlook as someone who has been raised in the culture and history of such an ancient and advamced culture. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1370591 FirstChildUserNameTAG: paulok FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T23:12:04Z IndexTAG: 122 TitleTAG: Bangladeshi students please Notice I have seen that this course have around 99 BD students i will greatly appreciate if start a Facebook group or let me start one. Then we could all study together. Thank you UserIdTAG: 160911 UserNameTAG: rid_1mithu CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T16:51:50Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_General NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi rid_1mithu, we are sending out an email about social media groups related to the course very, very soon. If you start a group and let me know, we can include the link in our mailing. Best, Claudia Editor of Content and Social Media for HeroesX FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T19:15:18Z IndexTAG: 123 TitleTAG: Hello from Alaska Wow! I love reading everyone's greetings and getting a feel for the class size and everyone's excitement. 1000 people! And I whined at 250 in the biology lecture hall in college. UserIdTAG: 941520 UserNameTAG: WilliamMoulton2 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T04:00:49Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello, from the Kenai Peninsula, Alaska. There are three of us from here in the course. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1304290 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rheari FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:22:16Z SecondChildTAG: Rheai. Did you finish the reading? What did you think? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 941520 SecondChildUserNameTAG: WilliamMoulton2 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T05:15:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hi,I'm a lifelong Anchorage woman, 62 years old. Unfortunately I got sick one week into the class. Come you know what or high water, I'm going to get it all made up. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1306487 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Bethel1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T07:12:23Z IndexTAG: 124 TitleTAG: Hello (once more) from Athens, Hellas! Hi! It's great to meet so many people showing such an interest on the concept of "heroic". Is it perhaps that our contemporary societies are craving for a "hero" to fix the injustice of the "New Order"? I hope that "orthos logos" (logical thinking) will finally triumph and save humanity from itself. UserIdTAG: 1340174 UserNameTAG: Dimitra_21 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T08:28:29Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I grant you we desperately need a hero, provided our search is inward looking. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1256700 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PanagiotisPerysinakis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T18:43:42Z IndexTAG: 125 TitleTAG: Greetings from Athens, Hellas. Greetings to everyone from Athens. I 'm taking this course with my mother! I 'm so excited for that:) Even though I have limited time to dedicate, I will try my best. Very interesting topic. UserIdTAG: 1335051 UserNameTAG: DimitraS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T14:32:47Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:18:33Z IndexTAG: 126 TitleTAG: greetings from rhodes hello everybody, greetings from rhodes! UserIdTAG: 1336070 UserNameTAG: ioannoula19 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T14:28:42Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:18:28Z IndexTAG: 127 TitleTAG: Greetings from Volos! Greetings from Volos, Greece. UserIdTAG: 1336168 UserNameTAG: StavroulaDiv CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T14:09:52Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 128 TitleTAG: Greetings from Thessaloniki My name is Eirini and I can't wait to start this course!!!! UserIdTAG: 1335490 UserNameTAG: eiriniGR CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T11:48:40Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:05:06Z IndexTAG: 129 TitleTAG: Sunny greetings from Thessaloniki I'm not always enthusiastic but when i am i should thank you for this perfect course!!! UserIdTAG: 1335372 UserNameTAG: william_blake CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T10:38:45Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:04:47Z IndexTAG: 130 TitleTAG: Hello from St. Louis, Missouri This is my first EdX class. It's great to see so many people from so many different places here! Looking forward to a great class! UserIdTAG: 1333606 UserNameTAG: xrachx CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T02:37:22Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:04:00Z IndexTAG: 131 TitleTAG: Greetings from Thessaloniki,Greece Hallo to everybody, I am Vassileios from Thessaloniki, Greece. I am looking forward starting this course. Although i am Greek, i am very interesting to see other people's perspective especialy regarding our history and culture. Not to mention of course the opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, culture etc. with all of you. After all, from my little knowledge, i know that Ancient Greeks had this "anthropocentric" approach in almost all aspects of their lives. Considering human being as the major factor in their universe and to interepret their world in terms of human values. So, following my predecessors example, it would be a great experience to "look" through your "eyes". And remember that "it is not the destination, but the journey that counts" (as the Odysseus he could say to us)....I am sure that we shall have one exciting journey.. UserIdTAG: 1141473 UserNameTAG: SISKAKIS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T23:03:58Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:03:40Z IndexTAG: 132 TitleTAG: Hello from Thessaloniki,Greece I'm very exited for this! UserIdTAG: 1332691 UserNameTAG: Manhar CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T21:43:08Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:03:34Z IndexTAG: 133 TitleTAG: Greeting from Zambia Are we predisposed with virtues that can enable us to emulate the Greek Heroes in the modern ara? UserIdTAG: 1320796 UserNameTAG: aarontembo CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T07:15:26Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 134 TitleTAG: Avid reader looking to expand my horizons! My nephew, niece and I are taking this course together. I graduated from college many years ago and my nephew is a sophomore right now, working full time, a volunteer fireman and married with 2 kids whom his wife, my niece, cares for at home. We are all excited to take this course because we are voracious readers and would love to read the ancient Greek stories. I think it also stimulates old minds like mine to keep learning through our lives. Getting really excited as the day draws near to start! Thank you and your staff for allowing us to expand our horizons!! UserIdTAG: 664881 UserNameTAG: OKSue CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T17:34:22Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 135 TitleTAG: Staff ....possibly (about duplicate post ) Yeah i thought about it and I guess I was a bit hash here so to absolve myself of this ,Hello from the carribean and yeah ill leave it up ,may as well ,but I stand by separating topics ,edx on the whole needs to consider a system similar to cs50 posts where theyre at least separated for the most part The previous post ,left up for a reminder on not to rant -> [Yeah this isnt meant to be mean or rude and if it is im sorry , but I would like to address something ,why in the blazes are there a million hello post ,its not intro to programming program one ,seriously if you want to say hello use whatever the prof or staff set up or the biggest post/original one, seriously ,im not one to rant and this wouldnt bother me but it does actually mess with the something simply .you cant find useful questions and that means its going to take really long to get an answer,and no im not so selfless to go on the good fight for everyone ,but ive asked questions before and you simply cant find it after and then you have to repost them and its just ,I mean ,its a waste of time .Also ,people use the search function ,now this one may be more for the staff ,but the discussion forums needs some rules ,like strict rules ,or else its not going to serve much purpose ,maybe a sub division like part social and part question pertaining to the site .Anyway doubt anyone will see this ,odds are this will be buried in mere mins ,oh and im not saying that the people who do this are bad ,its just they dont think it though its not like their trying to flood the discussion ,as I think it was juvenal who said men need not so much be told as reminded right so maybe we can have like a reminder up top,just saying hey ,check out the discussion rules or something ,nothing harsh ,because its not meant to discourage people ,after all im pretty sure anyone who takes any of these courses have to be by default awesome ,seeking knowledge for its own sake is ,its cool ] UserIdTAG: 20186 UserNameTAG: vikashx1 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T14:53:49Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear Vicashx1, With all due respect, I disagree :-) This is a warming up phase, and the greetings are part of that. They are useful because they show us what an incredible energy and enthusiasm this course and edx in general are generating, and because we can see what a wonderfully diverse group we are, with participants from all around the world, all ages, all professions, with totally different lives and interests but one common love: Greek literature. I find this deeply motivating and exhilarating. I have signed up for other edx courses which don't have this warm-up, and I miss the build-up of emotion and energy. The greetings also help those of us who want to find other participants in their vicinity or country, and possibly work in team or at least establish new interesting, possibly long-term contacts. Finally, I find that the posting system works very well. It is very easy, just by quickly browsing the posts, to find out which posts are mere "hellos" and which start a discussion, because they are adequately titled. You can decide to follow a particular discussion by clicking the star at the top right of the first post and then only consult the discussions you are following, by clicking "show following" in the left column. You can also find your own or anyone elde's post by clicking their loging name. When you place the cursor on the number at the right of the discussion title (left column on the screen) you are immediately informed whether there are new posts or not. Here are a few interesting discussions: 1. https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum#i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/5129e7e7bb0d2b2300000104 2. https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum#i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/5128b65c9ef8801f000000f7 3. https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum#i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/51220f0edd8972280000007b 4. https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum#i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/5120125f705f831f000000cb 5. https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum#i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/511ebd9d5244f62700000100 Last but not least: the course hasn't started yet.Everyone can choose to do the warm-up or not... Wishing you fun and success in this class, Dominique FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T15:39:38Z SecondChildTAG: Well ,whoa , id lie if I said I didnt agree ,and I do(and feel a bit bad ,would delete this post honestly ,but thats cowardice ) ,and I guess that is a way to look at it ,but I still stand by separating the post by topics ,I mean ,as it stands its pretty hard ,unless youre here a lot to find any other topics .So yes I agree maybe I was a bit of a douche there,honestly it was aimed at other courses where it becomes impossible to separate the posts ,like I do appreciate sending the links to the discussions and its really inspiring to see the quality of discussion already,but I would not find that amid all the other post ,so still ,id like there to be at least a way to separate social greetings from questions and discussions .Just a suggestion ,and thank you ,oh and if I did offend anyone ,im sorry ,really im not use to this whole talking to people online ,its odd ,and well needs some getting use to ,and honestly im far too brash in person ,I probably need to work on that ..... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 20186 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vikashx1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T16:09:34Z SecondChildTAG: Let's just wait for the course to start. Everything will become more focused I believe... and hope! It would be damning if we remained at the excited hellos phase :-) You *can* delete your post by the way - but I wouldn't if I were you, since our mini discussion got us to a quasi agreement! All is well. Best, d SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T19:51:09Z SecondChildTAG: Oh no im not going to delete it ,ill leave it as a reminder to myself that I can be a bit of a tool ,to many people say stuff online without thinking twice ,and I would hate to become one of those people .Hmm yeah I guess it did help us reach an agreement ,thanks ,needed that I guess .And good luck on the course . SecondChildUserIdTAG: 20186 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vikashx1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T07:23:23Z SecondChildTAG: All the best - our exchange was fun :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T14:21:51Z IndexTAG: 136 TitleTAG: From Philippines with Love :3 Hello everyone ! I'm just so exited to experience things the Harvard way :D UserIdTAG: 1108030 UserNameTAG: IrahStef CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T14:33:48Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hiya! I'm glad to see a fellow Filipino here. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1322225 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ixiealltheway FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T16:42:40Z SecondChildTAG: same here :D Mabuhay ! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1108030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IrahStef SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T13:13:45Z FirstChildTAG: Hey, fellow Filipinos! :D Awesome! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1005736 FirstChildUserNameTAG: arcklight FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T03:48:40Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! It's just now that I can take a good look at the discussion tab... Mabuhay! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1018237 SecondChildUserNameTAG: christine21 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T13:58:29Z IndexTAG: 137 TitleTAG: Hello from the beautiful State of Oregon. I haven't read Anything like this since High School. After reading the advice and the syllibus I am excited to begin! UserIdTAG: 263446 UserNameTAG: Riverdaughter CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T10:37:04Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Are the links to the material up yet? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 263446 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Riverdaughter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T11:04:39Z SecondChildTAG: Sadly not yet, but I feel giddy! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 605237 SecondChildUserNameTAG: andrewthebold SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T12:54:37Z IndexTAG: 138 TitleTAG: Hello from Montréal Can't wait to absorb all that new knowledge :-). I'm doing my master on identities in Lycia between the Treaty of Apamea and the Antonine dynasty. I'm working as an assistant on the Xanthos inscriptions corpus. I have a little bit of ancient greek knowledge but I need to learn more as I want to be an epigrapher :-). UserIdTAG: 1318675 UserNameTAG: historian76 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T02:14:59Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi there, Sounds really amzing what you´re doing. xxx FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1178876 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LeireMunitza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T13:29:09Z IndexTAG: 139 TitleTAG: Greetings from The Netherlands I am looking forward to this course, I am sure that it's going to be fun. Nikos, North Holland UserIdTAG: 1286760 UserNameTAG: NikosTsou CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T16:30:09Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Nikos, Glad to see some more locals from Holland around here. Looking forward to the course as well! Wendy FirstChildUserIdTAG: 934861 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Wendy_NL FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T11:16:50Z IndexTAG: 140 TitleTAG: Another Hellenic Course? Just wanted to mention that I am looking forward to the start of this course and I am excited to learn much from Professor Nagy!!! I do have a question: Will EdX offer other courses in anicent Greece? If there are other future courses added here, I would definitely register for any anicent Greece courses!! Best, Athina UserIdTAG: 932815 UserNameTAG: Athens71 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T01:46:28Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Athina. Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:15:11Z IndexTAG: 141 TitleTAG: HELLO FROM PELLA - GREECE I embrace all of you people around the world from the birth place of Alexander the Great, my hometown Pella. I am glad to see how many people are interested in ancient Greeks and Greece generally. I am looking forward to live a journey about ancient Greek myths and Greek Heroes again which overwhelmed me since i was a child. So, let's begin our journey to our Ithaca...!!! UserIdTAG: 1303593 UserNameTAG: TEOSID3 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T21:18:58Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 932815 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Athens71 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:18:22Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Athens71 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1303593 SecondChildUserNameTAG: TEOSID3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T10:43:13Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Teosid3, Wonderful part of the world...Pella. Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:21:56Z SecondChildTAG: Hello to you EfthaliaP from Australia I am sure you trully represent Greece there. Many greetings from homeland to you!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1303593 SecondChildUserNameTAG: TEOSID3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T10:46:19Z IndexTAG: 142 TitleTAG: Greetings from Serres, Greece I am a lover of the greek ancient history and mythology and really excited about this course, plus the certificate we can get from Harvard! I am looking forward to meet my "classmates"... UserIdTAG: 1292378 UserNameTAG: geo_savi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T18:00:00Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello geo_savi, Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:23:49Z IndexTAG: 143 TitleTAG: Greek Hero Hello...from Philippines...so excited for this course...looking forward to work with you soon...thanks UserIdTAG: 775498 UserNameTAG: iamtimay CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T03:47:30Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 144 TitleTAG: hello from Komotini, Greece. i can t wait for this. i stundy classics and i'm so interested on this. UserIdTAG: 1298404 UserNameTAG: giwrgosparas12 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T22:15:23Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: kalispera apo Naousa file moy!!!!Greece is here,good evening everyone!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1288744 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ifigeneia89 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T22:47:32Z SecondChildTAG: kalos ilthes iphigenia. eleni apo adelaida, australia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T06:59:34Z IndexTAG: 145 TitleTAG: Achilles vs Superman Are today's superheroes and homeric heroes alike? Is Superman an Achilles of today? I am not much into mpodern superheroes' culture, but I have the impression that heores of the homeric era were much more humanlike. They had their weaknesses and were not always right. Achilles refused to fight with the other Greeks due to his rage for example. I don't know if the same goes for Superman or Batman. What do you think? UserIdTAG: 1280336 UserNameTAG: galandreas CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T12:30:20Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Very interesting question: thanks for starting this new discussion. I'm not sure the tendency of our modern heroes is "superhuman". In fact, I think there is a strong demand for our heroes being in some ways victims as well as courageous; or at least resilient people having to overcome very sad events. This is true, for example, of Batman, of Bilbo and Frodo the hobbits, and even of the new James Bond: Skyfall is all about a hero who is full of weaknesses and seems on the constant verge of defeat, and he is not even physically fit. Gone are the days of Sean Connery who glided through violence and sexual prowess without ever sweating or dirtying his smoking. This is consistent with the way we regard Greek heroes, preferring the human ones, the ones who have a hard time and who rebel against the Gods, the kings or destiny. If you look at other discussions in this forum, you will find Odysseus, Prometheus and Antigone leading the charts. Odysseus does win in the end, but after incredible trials, and the other meet death and torture. We've also seen the audiences becoming fed up with the purportedly angelic Mozart and looking for his human sides: see Milos Forman's "Amadeus". I guess the only super-hero who spins our head even though he appears to be perfect and non-sweating is Roger Federer :-) (but that's changing too, because Federer is having a harder time as the years pile up on his shoulders). I think it might be interesting to draw a comparison between our sports stars and the Greek heroes. Is football/soccer the most successful religion, or let's say worship cult of our time? Cheers, Dominique FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T13:14:53Z FirstChildTAG: I've had several conversations with my students about the similarities and differences between Ancient Greek heroes and comic book superheroes. There are many similarities and some differences. Superman, for example, is much harder for many people to relate to because he is so much superior to everyone else. I think part of what makes heroes, both ancient and modern, so appealing is the fact that they are relatable. Achilles' anger, Odysseus' longing for home, Ajax pain at being slighted, are things that resonate with our inner humanity. Likewise, Batman's inner struggle, Spiderman's inner conflict over avenging his uncle's death as opposed to supporting justice and the rule of law, are microcosms of what many of us feel in some form or another. I'll be very interested to learn even more about the Greek heroes, particularly those who are studies less frequently. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 927526 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dsimmons FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T16:39:37Z SecondChildTAG: But superman is Clark Kent, a wimpish guy, in real life. I think that's what humanizes him. Do many of us see ourselves as wimps and wish we could expose our secret side -- the part of us that longs to be Superman or Superwoman, if only for a few moments? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1017741 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Margaret22 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T12:41:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hello,everyone great to see so much activity, even before the course starts! In the question of galandreas, about the homeric heroes and today's superheroes, I believe the main difference between them (marketing and politics aside), is that Achilles, Diomedes, Ajax and the rest of the Illiad's protagonists, were extraordinary men destined to be remembered forever, whereas the most popular superheroes of today, are men rising to the occasion. The homeric heroes were kings, sons and grandsons of gods, willing to start a ten year bloodshed for honour and glory, trying to save the most beautiful woman that ever lived or that will ever live. The common man was nowhere to be found, except as part of the plot or as part of the scenery, providing his blood for the heroes to bathe. The modern storytellers, took the more or less common man, and made him an orphan, had him bitten by spider, exposed to radiation, and in the course of many years 'documented' his use of extraordinary powers and abilities. Even the invincible Superman would be a common man in his planet, and as Clark Kent he has a humble background. In my opinion, the homeric heroes have a more solid ethical foundation, meaning their ideals and intentions are much more clear than those of an orphan millionaire vigilante, but since today's superheroes are still being developed and with many writers being involved, it is impossible to get a full perspective of Batman's character for example. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1307466 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Adorechaos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T14:54:38Z SecondChildTAG: Nice analysis, thanks. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T19:22:22Z SecondChildTAG: Excellent point about the clearly defined moral base from which Greek heroes acted and spoke. There may be something to what you said about the treatment of superheroes by an assortment of writers with differing views complicating the possibility of a similar moral base for our superheroes of today. However, I might add the possibility that our post-modern era's fracturing of society through such advents as multicultural immigration, global media and communication technologies, and the subsequent loss of a unified cultural identity in many first world countries could also contribute to the impossibility of founding these superhero narratives on a clearly defined moral base as these foundations usually stem from a geographically sedentary cultural identity (which is no longer present for those who write, publish, film, or present these superhero narratives). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280572 SecondChildUserNameTAG: will72 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:56:04Z FirstChildTAG: Whoa this is ,whoa ,seriously ,and the class hasnt started yet ,this is awesome . FirstChildUserIdTAG: 20186 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vikashx1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T15:02:22Z FirstChildTAG: This is an excellent thing happening here! I think that the basic concept, the essence of the "hero" has always been the same. It is the one who rises above all the others, in prowess of both spirit and body and thus manages to overcome the "human" self. In this rising, the hero disregards danger, even death, in order to serve a higher ethic or ideal, be it to save the lives of others, to serve a king/country/humanity, to stay true to an oath to freedom or loyalty. It is this act of self-sacrifice for a highly-held value which makes the hero tower over the commoner and makes the commoner admire, idolize, many a times passionately hate a hero. And this motif of heroism, in its core, has, in my opinion remained the same from the classic greek heroes, to heroes of other cultures or mythologies to popular culture superheroes. Yes, the origins, the social status or general goals may differ (how could they not?) but the essence remains the same. Thank you all so much for this, it is going to be a unique experience. Happy readings! Maria, GR FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1332178 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mariach22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T20:28:57Z IndexTAG: 146 TitleTAG: Hello from Chalkidiki, GREECE Having seen the course and -even better- having registered on that, made my whole day...i m so excited!Can t wait of March 13th!!! UserIdTAG: 1294591 UserNameTAG: liakara CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T09:08:33Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I am excited and i am from Chalkidiki too!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294706 FirstChildUserNameTAG: marakina FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T09:26:16Z SecondChildTAG: really??? in which place extactly do you live? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1294591 SecondChildUserNameTAG: liakara SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T09:33:36Z SecondChildTAG: steile mou terry04@windowslive.com kai egw apo chalkidiki SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 SecondChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T16:19:04Z SecondChildTAG: Hello liakara!!!! I am from Chalkidiki too (...you know!) Greetings from N. Marmaras! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1319677 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lamprinos_Z SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T10:37:26Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Lamprinos_Z!!! Welcome to the club...greetings from paschales lakkos (N.Marmaras)... :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1294591 SecondChildUserNameTAG: liakara SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T20:48:09Z FirstChildTAG: ![enter image description here][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13618092341343607.jpg FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T16:20:45Z SecondChildTAG: Αχιλλεύς SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 SecondChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T16:21:13Z IndexTAG: 147 TitleTAG: MPRAVO! GREETINGS FROM SALONICA, GREECE![enter image description here][1] [1]: http://www.orangesmile.com/common/img_final_large/thessaloniki_sightseeing.jpg UserIdTAG: 1294502 UserNameTAG: vivilaw CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T08:26:55Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: amazing picture...hello thessaloniki! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294591 FirstChildUserNameTAG: liakara FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T09:13:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hi you folks, I am form Bosnia and Herzegovina and I love Greece and anything connected to it. Greek mythilogy by Schwab I know by heart and now enyoj reading it to my children. I m sure we shall have a good time together going through the period of brave men. Best wishes Dijana FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1177692 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dijana FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T10:28:18Z FirstChildTAG: Beautiful place. Congratulations on being able to live there and close all the wonders of Greek culture. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1068197 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Normi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T01:24:58Z FirstChildTAG: Goodmorning to Thessaloniki. Καλημέρα Θεσσαλονική, καλημέρα Μακεδονία. Δυστυχής που δεν σας έχω επισκεφθεί, αλλά επιφυλάσσομαι για το άμεσο μέλλον. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T06:45:20Z IndexTAG: 148 TitleTAG: hello from chuuk an island of micronesia at the pacific sea I am very excited to be part of this course UserIdTAG: 929600 UserNameTAG: nikopetsalis CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T00:59:58Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello nikopetsalis, which should be interesting Micronesia. I am from Peru and do not know much about your hometown. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1068197 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Normi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T01:30:50Z FirstChildTAG: I've been to Chuuk (aka Truk!)--on my way to FSM and Saipan. So glad to have you in the class! Jan Littrell FirstChildUserIdTAG: 902688 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JanLittrell FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T21:12:25Z IndexTAG: 149 TitleTAG: Hello from New York City I'm looking forward to beginning the course! UserIdTAG: 1291526 UserNameTAG: AmyNewYork CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T20:06:28Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Welcome fellow New Yorker! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279699 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CSMALAKASIS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T21:29:27Z FirstChildTAG: Hi CSMalakasis. I'm in New York as well. My first MOOC! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1326834 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Putty FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T02:08:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hello fellow New Yorker! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 869468 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CFArnold FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:21:25Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm just across the river in Hoboken. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1353268 FirstChildUserNameTAG: straekat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:41:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Brooklyn. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1374193 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ChuckRamone FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T16:20:58Z IndexTAG: 150 TitleTAG: Greetings from Athens Hello everyone. I'm very glad to participate in this course taught by Professor Nagy. I'm studying Greek Civilitation at the Hellenic Open University & I believe this course will be of great interest for me. Looking forward to starting the course. Regards to all. UserIdTAG: 1288794 UserNameTAG: ARIONAS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T15:57:10Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Greetings from the Valley of the Sun in Arizona USA and welcome to the journey with us. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:33:58Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome aboard :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T16:30:25Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Taki. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1288794 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ARIONAS SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T16:39:54Z FirstChildTAG: Kalwsirthes! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279699 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CSMALAKASIS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T21:30:58Z FirstChildTAG: Hello guys and girls I am greek too living at the pacific for now in a country called micronesia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 929600 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nikopetsalis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T01:07:36Z FirstChildTAG: Goodmorning, Arionas. I also study Hellenic Civilization in Hellenic Open University. Καλημέρα, συνάδελφε Αρίωνα. Κι εγώ του ΕΛΠ είμαι. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T07:00:51Z IndexTAG: 151 TitleTAG: Hello from Tirnavos, Greece! Hello everyone! Hope we all enjoy this course...Άντε και καλή μας αρχή! UserIdTAG: 1279471 UserNameTAG: demina_d CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:44:57Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Welcome Demina They have created a Facebook group so you may join if you will ! https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:58:22Z FirstChildTAG: Καλή μας αρχή !!!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:12:17Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Greece ! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1282993 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AlexiaM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T23:59:40Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, my dear Demina, I am Evangelia from Tirnavos Greece, wellcome, enjoy the journey, Greetings FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:56:26Z IndexTAG: 152 TitleTAG: Greetings from a Hellene (Greek if you prefer) Hello from frozen Stockholm / Sweden where I live the last year. It's a great opportunity for all of us here to discuss/debate/compare the Hero concept and find inspiration to improve our lives and maybe the strength to inspire people around us as well! It will be a great pleasure for me after 22 years to read, learn and discuss about one of my favorite subjects from Ancient Greek History. Nice meeting you all ! Takis UserIdTAG: 1277300 UserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T14:16:08Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Heya Elena! What you said is more than true!!! By the way I've just replied to your post and didn't notice you have replied here! I am in Handen area. At Soder is my uncle. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:51:59Z SecondChildTAG: It was my fault actually because I tried to get familiar in using and surfing in the forum but apparently I failed!I am making a new effort again!I haven't been in Handen area yet..as I am new in Sweden.I hope for both of us as for all the other participants to savor the beauty of ancient Greek culture.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1279815 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elenael SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:17:23Z SecondChildTAG: I am new in Sweden too, so no worries :) I think most of the people here are really interested about this course. So probably we will have an interesting course to attend and many subjects to debate. Don't forget, there are many Greeks here and as I said at FB we will have lots of "hot" debates! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:34:22Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Taki! Sophia here from Patra. let's explore a whole new perspective of the ancient greek hero... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:30:03Z SecondChildTAG: Ηello Taki!Elena speaking from the neighborhood, Södermalm!I am very excited because the real distance from our country can be bridged by the spiritual connection with our roots.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1279815 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elenael SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:42:26Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Sophia! I am eager to explore this chapter of Greek History! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:51:11Z FirstChildTAG: They have created a Facebook group so you may join if you will ! https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:56:08Z IndexTAG: 153 TitleTAG: Yorgos- Hello ftom Athens Greece That's what Greece is lacking at the moment I feel. A fresh spirit to create new heroes that will help her pull through the quagmire. We were pretty good in the past. Is there even the tiniest of sparks to warm up the imagination ???? I hope this course will offer a fresh approach. What do you all think? UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:19:56Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: How cool to have your particular perspective for this course. Hopeful for the future of Greece. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 949308 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CSMBSMU FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T01:51:10Z IndexTAG: 154 TitleTAG: Hello Hi, I am from Johannesburg, South Africa. I Study with UNISA which is South Africa's distance learning University. I am looking forward to seeing how distance learning here is different from what i am used to. I hope I have time to do this coarse without falling behind on my degree. UserIdTAG: 785163 UserNameTAG: Danny49 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T09:44:52Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 155 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens, Greece I am so glad to join on this course and very pleased for the intersting of the people worldwide for our ancient history and mythology. My greetings to all of you (Τους χαιρετισμούς μου σε όλους σας / haratismous se olous sas) UserIdTAG: 1263497 UserNameTAG: kostasdim CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T08:24:03Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 156 TitleTAG: Hellenic Greatings from Crete! Hello everybody! It is great to be part of a very big company, which is interested in Hellenistic ideals. It will be a great travel through time! :) UserIdTAG: 1255839 UserNameTAG: renabali CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T12:30:47Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello, Rena. This is Eirini from Naxos. Welcome aboard! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T18:13:52Z SecondChildTAG: HELLO! THIS IS VASSO FROM THESSALONIKI.WELCOME! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1050933 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Vassoula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T00:07:01Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Rena and Greek friends! I am in Crete too. Apart from the interesting course it seems we will have the chance to talk to people from all over Greece and the rest of the globe. Wonderfull!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T11:55:15Z IndexTAG: 157 TitleTAG: Greek Civilization Dear Professor, Connecting from this part of the world, distance learning programs are an amazing opportunity to learn about other disciplines, having great interest in Greek Mythology, what better chance I could get to explore the possibility of learning about this fascinating Civilization. I am really looking forward to this education. -by Seemi Khosa UserIdTAG: 1013340 UserNameTAG: skhosa CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T11:10:45Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear Seemi, thanks for enrolling and for sending this note! We hope you enjoy the course!! -Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:53:53Z IndexTAG: 158 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece! Another new member. This is me! I would like to say HELLO to all of you! I am so happy to find you people from all over the world! Have an nice day! UserIdTAG: 1065692 UserNameTAG: JoannaMiller01 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T10:56:54Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Athens! I am Victoria, I am a teacher of Greek. I am so excited to meet other people from all over the world and try to communicate and discover what man is and what is the journey! I don't know where I am going, but I want so badly to go!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 185470 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vifo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T11:18:04Z FirstChildTAG: Hello there, I'm Yorgos, a normal Greek, maybe hero too, and I hope in this voyage to explore this old/new world Greek world! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 894594 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Yorg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T16:13:10Z IndexTAG: 159 TitleTAG: Greetings from Romania Hi, I am so happy to be in this class, How are u? UserIdTAG: 1137025 UserNameTAG: Robert84 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T21:28:50Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello Robert! Fine, and you? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 966253 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SonaMito FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T21:43:13Z SecondChildTAG: I'm good, eager to begin. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1137025 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Robert84 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T22:07:52Z SecondChildTAG: Good :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 966253 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SonaMito SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T22:09:14Z FirstChildTAG: Hey, I'm living in Bucharest! Let's create our own cohort! How about the "Diomedes Cohort"? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893048 FirstChildUserNameTAG: porfyrus FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T00:22:46Z IndexTAG: 160 TitleTAG: Join the EdX Community on Facebook! I would like you to join the EdX community on facebook! http://www.facebook.com/groups/edXcommunity/ It would be great to have everybody taking these online courses in a single group and maybe finding people in the same city. (: UserIdTAG: 66457 UserNameTAG: Agu10 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T18:09:34Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Piermont NY. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 345623 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Stargirl77 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T00:29:46Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Solo, Indonesia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 964025 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Xuehoa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T03:43:16Z IndexTAG: 161 TitleTAG: Konichiwa from Japan! This'll be my first edX course. Looking' forward to it. UserIdTAG: 772785 UserNameTAG: Jinhan CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T06:09:21Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: konichiwa from athens!!!watashi no namae wa nana desu!!!nice to meet you!!!i also look forward too! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1171306 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nanak82 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:51:49Z SecondChildTAG: yoroshiku! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1149461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: fvillabon SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T16:41:19Z FirstChildTAG: konichiwa from Thessaloniki! Watashi no namae wa Alexandra desu! Yoroscu onegai semasu! Glad to have you in here! (i hope that i will travel there one day!) ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1302711 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Alexandra_92 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T19:56:50Z IndexTAG: 162 TitleTAG: hello from St. Paul, Mn. What a rush. Everyone be gentle with me. My pain coach challenged me to expand my world. So, I thought "Why not Harvard.". UserIdTAG: 1060336 UserNameTAG: elizabethmorin CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T20:53:06Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Get it, girl! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T23:03:22Z SecondChildTAG: thank you doll. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:28:59Z FirstChildTAG: thsnk you doll FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:29:38Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:19:26Z IndexTAG: 163 TitleTAG: Hola Mundo! from Mexico Good day fellow classmates, My name is Ana and I come from the North of Mexico. I hope I can able to meet at least some of you and share our thoughts and interests on Greek culture. Good luck everyone, Saludos Ana A. UserIdTAG: 1088593 UserNameTAG: anyald CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T07:19:45Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:12:28Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Ana! I'm April from Austin, Texas. I'm glad you're here with us! This should be fun, I'm excited about it! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T01:25:28Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! I'm from Sinaloa! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 148311 FirstChildUserNameTAG: narielg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:58:20Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone!! I am sure we'll enjoy and learn a lot during this course. My best wishes for everyone. Warm hugs from Tabasco, Mexico. ***The door of the Mayan World.*** FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1420826 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lety-Guerrero FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T00:23:11Z IndexTAG: 164 TitleTAG: Google + I see there is a Facebook group, do people think a Google+ group would be more useful for sharing with hangouts etc? Comment here whether it's a good idea or not and we'll take a poll and act accordingly Look forward to working with everybody Nick Garnett UserIdTAG: 1228518 UserNameTAG: NickGarnett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:09:12Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I think it's a great idea. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:55:44Z SecondChildTAG: Google+ - better for uploading files and so. The only disadvantage - it requires everyone to have Gmail, isn`t? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1096543 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sapir SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T23:42:19Z SecondChildTAG: I think it does, but most people have gmail don't they? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T05:24:53Z SecondChildTAG: I think it's slightly more 'grown up' than facebook, less 'cat' stuff! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T05:25:56Z FirstChildTAG: I think that it's a good idea because some folks have abandoned Facebook for Google+, and others don't want to have a Facebook account, but already have access to Google+ if they are Gmail users. It would be great if Hangouts scaled beyond 10 simultaneous live users, although that is technically seriously problematic and not likely to happen soon. However, hangouts can be recorded directly to YouTube where others can watch in real time the videoconference. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 902982 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ferthalangur FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T15:25:13Z SecondChildTAG: I think that's a great idea. If I miss a hangout it would be great to be able to go watch it later. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T19:17:39Z IndexTAG: 165 TitleTAG: Professor Nagy As you describe the Socratic method, I'm sure it will help me with my work in psychology, so I'm very eager to learn about it. UserIdTAG: 776654 UserNameTAG: criscrac CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:17:22Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: yeah same here...;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1191023 FirstChildUserNameTAG: masar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:01:16Z SecondChildTAG: socratic question and answer method SecondChildUserIdTAG: 917025 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nkem3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:05:44Z IndexTAG: 166 TitleTAG: Hello from Cyprus! Hello everyone! It's heartwarming to see so many around the world interested in Ancient Greek culture. I wish that we all find this journey to the age of heroes enjoyful and rewarding! Looking forwward to our lessons! Vaios. UserIdTAG: 1164165 UserNameTAG: Vaios CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:20:28Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: hello Vaios, it certainly is! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:24:33Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to you too! Glad to see there's some other people from Cyprus! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 947938 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Efthymia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:50:03Z FirstChildTAG: Hey vaios! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1191023 FirstChildUserNameTAG: masar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:03:57Z IndexTAG: 167 TitleTAG: Hello from Brazil Hello, I'm a Brazilian cartoonist and musician and also a researcher of the History of Graphic Humor. Working with editorial cartoons and comics makes you have a need to broaden your scope and I think this course will be great, mainly because it's promoted by Harvard and it's offered in a perfect XXI Century way. My best to you all and I hope we enjoy the classes. Lailson de Holanda UserIdTAG: 983580 UserNameTAG: LailsonHolanda CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:12:43Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Welcome for us from Brazilian lands... :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1086386 FirstChildUserNameTAG: angelofaleiro FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:21:05Z SecondChildTAG: That's it, friend. And from what I've seen in the last two days, there is a very large Brazilian group in this class. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 983580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LailsonHolanda SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:41:58Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Lailson. I'm brazilian too. And I would like to wish you a great course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 965598 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MayraSabino FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:33:51Z SecondChildTAG: Hello, Mayra. Many Brazilians in this course, I've noticed. I think that we're gonna have a very interesting experience in participating on this course. Hope you enjoy it too! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 983580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LailsonHolanda SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:40:54Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Rio! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1097922 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BRonka FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T02:13:13Z SecondChildTAG: Greetings from Recife! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 983580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LailsonHolanda SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:41:13Z IndexTAG: 168 TitleTAG: Hello Everybody!! I´m looking forward to starting the class and all that there is to learn about the subject. I´m a journalist currently living in Argentina. Thank you in advance to all the people at HARVARD who has made this class available for everybody all around the world!!!! UserIdTAG: 926594 UserNameTAG: Lunallena61 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:44:51Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Everybody! My name is Nadia. I live in Lagos, Nigeria. Greek mythology is intriguing; reason I enrolled for this course.I am really excited about this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 387019 FirstChildUserNameTAG: iNadia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:16:31Z SecondChildTAG: Hi LunaLlena, I am also in Argentina!!! I'm also intrigued about this course, although I study Law, this course will bring a better understanding of the human being. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1009540 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Augusto2020 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:31:19Z IndexTAG: 169 TitleTAG: HEROES 2500 YEARS AGO AND TODAY Which is the deep meaning of the word hero...I think we have to try to find the final truth ,as Socrates tried,to see the things without coloured glasses. Also we need to be like Ulysses:logic,creative, effective *πολύτροπος και πολυμήχανος* who travelled all over the world and learned about many civilizations *που ανθρώπων γνώρισε πολλών τον τόπο και τη γνώμη* as Homer says.Nowadays the point is how to manage knowledge in order to move forward UserIdTAG: 1135146 UserNameTAG: nemfelonis CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:25:13Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Manage knowledge. Straight to the point. We have to manage knowledge because, as you know (I'm italian, by the way ... I know it too well!) everything is out there: good and bad informations. As Phrack and Wikileaks tought me, a true information is nod bad or good in itself. It's up to you to use it well. With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility someone said. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 185733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ipezzei FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:32:25Z IndexTAG: 170 TitleTAG: Hello from Belgrade I'm from Serbia, Belgrade, can't wait to learn more on ancient greek heroes UserIdTAG: 1168753 UserNameTAG: Rashich CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:46:20Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Rashich and welcome! Smiles from Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:14:23Z IndexTAG: 171 TitleTAG: Namaskar! (Hi) Hi, I am from India As a prof. of Sanskrit I am in touch with Indian mythology. I am so glad as now I can study Greek mythology with all of You - all my friends ! all the best to all of You ! UserIdTAG: 915548 UserNameTAG: MadhaviUpadhyaya CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:44:01Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Prof of sanskrit? Wow, wish you did a MOOC like this one, quite eager to learn Sanskrit myself. But for now, I shall pause to wonder at Achilles!! Pranaams! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 785364 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maheshcr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:37:08Z SecondChildTAG: Hi! I'd love to start a discussion on comparing our (Sanskrit) heros and the ones in Greek mythology- in fact, I did my thesis on just this: Comparing Karna, Hector and Achilles, but would love to have the thoughts of other Classicists/Indologists :-D All the best, Shivani SecondChildUserIdTAG: 814421 SecondChildUserNameTAG: shivanisinghal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T06:13:25Z IndexTAG: 172 TitleTAG: Study forum in spanish - Foro de estudio en español. First i want to you welcome. La iniciativa tiene como fin el fortalecer la construcción de entendimiento, a partir de la colaboración entre las personas en este curso, que tienen como lengua materna el español. ¿Con qué motivo? realmente es grande la posibilidad de que no todos gocen de un nivel de inglés, lo suficientemente avanzado para así entender en totalidad, mas cuando se trata pues literatura y filosofía. Ahora bien, una traducción no será 100% fiel, y la interpretación por quien ha aprendido ingles tampoco será total, debido al contexto cultural y demás factores que puedan intervenir. La idea es colaborar entre todos, para así todos aprender, tal vez sea mas fluida y concisa una discusión en español, para quienes lo tienen por lenguaje materno y por tanto lo han hablado prácticamente toda su vida. Por último reitero la bienvenida y espero que todos disfrutemos del curso y aprendamos mucho. UserIdTAG: 1004968 UserNameTAG: CesarIG CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:40:33Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi everyone, My name is Angie, I'm studying law. I hope that in this course we have more knowledge. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1078914 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Goycochea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:49:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hola Mi nombre es Angi, también, soy Psicóloga y espero poder seguir este curso. Creo que será muy interesante FirstChildUserIdTAG: 412974 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Angiesfate FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:58:28Z SecondChildTAG: lo será, y desde tu área del conocimiento aún más podrás disfrutarlo y sacar provecho. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1004968 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CesarIG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T03:17:26Z FirstChildTAG: Contad conmigo para las discusiones en español, aunque trataré de seguir también las de inglés, por su contenido y por su forma, pues me ayudará a mejorar mi inglés. Soy Javier R de Madrid, España. Mi interés por el curso y mi trayectoria ya la he contado en otro hilo, en inglés, así que no me voy a repetir. Bienvenidos a todos, Javier R FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1145164 FirstChildUserNameTAG: REBOM58 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:47:23Z SecondChildTAG: gracias a ti, exitos. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1004968 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CesarIG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T03:16:54Z IndexTAG: 173 TitleTAG: Greetings from Oregon Happy for this opportunity. UserIdTAG: 1174153 UserNameTAG: TreeKnowlton CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:17:53Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Atlanta, GA ........Looking forward to this opportunity. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 910711 FirstChildUserNameTAG: danitak1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:21:05Z IndexTAG: 174 TitleTAG: Hey from New York I can't wait for this course to start. I love being able to take a class without having to stress about how it affects my GPA. Especially one so far from my engineering classes! UserIdTAG: 418933 UserNameTAG: JessLev CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:15:46Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Greetings from San Diego. I'm looking forward to being a part of this class. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1073696 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BVR FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:02:37Z IndexTAG: 175 TitleTAG: Berlin calling! Hi, I'm a Swiss writer based in Berlin/Germany, presently immersed in a large novel and busy creating... heroes. Languages: French (mother tongue), English and German. Very much looking forward to this course and all participants. Cheers, Dominique UserIdTAG: 1015275 UserNameTAG: dcaillat CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:31:30Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi Dominique, sounds interesting. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1223129 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GertD FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:47:48Z SecondChildTAG: So: two German-based novelists. Excellent! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:30:37Z FirstChildTAG: Hallo Dominique Gruesse aus Lichtenrade Darius FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1121624 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Darius- FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:05:14Z SecondChildTAG: Grüss Dich Darius - Ich bin in Berlin/Prenzlauer Berg. Viele Grüesse, D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T23:00:57Z IndexTAG: 176 TitleTAG: LET'S DO THIS! Hi guys and gals. I am from North Florida. I have a BA in Communications and an MA in English and am beyond excited to take this course. I love travelling (recent trips include to South Africa, France, Germany, and the Czech Republic) and can't wait to learn from all of you. Best to you all. Take care. UserIdTAG: 1060467 UserNameTAG: AshEB CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:42:43Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Wow.. what kinds of things did you do/places did you visit when you went to those places? I've been to 3 of the 4 counties you mentioned, although it was work related and I didn't do a whole lot of fun tourist kind of stuff. Well I did some.. but not as much as I wish I had a chance to do. I did go to Prague in Czech.. that was a krazy weekend adventure for sure! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 147193 FirstChildUserNameTAG: theCharger FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:14:55Z FirstChildTAG: Hi AshEB! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T22:02:39Z IndexTAG: 177 TitleTAG: Hi! From Brazil (Brasilia, DC) Hello to all people. I am Maria and I hope enjoy this course. So many places here. Its great. Regards. Maria UserIdTAG: 1025883 UserNameTAG: maria_alves CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:47:36Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi, I'm living in São Paulo/Rio de Janeiro! I hope we can discuss the topic!Bianca Miarka FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1221469 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Miarka FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:22:37Z SecondChildTAG: yooooooooo mama ;D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222688 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Julinha SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:18:44Z FirstChildTAG: Criamos um grupo de discussões em **Português no Facebook** para compartilhar os textos traduzidos, links para leituras complementares, vídeos, dúvidas e discussões. Quem quiser participar é só enviar o pedido de solicitação. **https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/** Abraços! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:33:00Z SecondChildTAG: What's the point of having a parallel group? Wouldn't it be better not to segregate and let our other peers be a part of our discussions? Ins't this the point of taking an international online course? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1097922 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BRonka SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T02:39:12Z IndexTAG: 178 TitleTAG: Hello from an American in Japan! Hi there! So, I'm a 23yo American from the South with a completely unrelated educational background to that of Literature. My background is in Electrical Engineering (Although I'm thinking I'm going to change to Math) and I've only taken one college literature course (American Lit.. was Fantasy and Science Fiction!). With that being said, I'm very much looking forward to this course, as I've always found mythology interesting and entertaining. UserIdTAG: 147193 UserNameTAG: theCharger CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:42:55Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: If I wasn't heading to work right now, I'd love to chat on here. But alas.. I must go, for now. I'll be back though and expect an entertaining conversation or two from my fellow edx classmates haha. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 147193 FirstChildUserNameTAG: theCharger FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:11:37Z FirstChildTAG: Hi I don't have a literature background either! I've got an economics related background but my love for greek history brought me here. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1205564 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MariamK FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:12:20Z SecondChildTAG: Oddly enough, what brought me to this specific course was a challenge to a friend. I told him that he should take a course on edx with me.. and I'd even let him choose which one! I was expecting quantum mechanics, physics, electrical engineering, or something else along those lines.. I was very surprised he chose this one. But I was like.. Alright let's do it! I do love ancient mythology and history (Actually I think I love everything lol) so this course certainly has potential to be fun I think (: SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:18:40Z FirstChildTAG: My background is also in Economics but I am very much interested in the humanities and literature. I've been fascinated by the concept of the Greek hero and appreciate the chance to have access to this course. i took another course on EdX, the World Poverty Course, and while exploring the site I found out that they're offering this! Looking forward to learning with you guys! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1098885 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tetrivera FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T13:41:53Z FirstChildTAG: XAXA lucky you for staying in there! As for me, i study History here in Thessaloniki, Greece, hoping to learn Japannese and take a course in there one day! Welcome and i hope to learn more, just like all of us! PS: I didn't know that you can study Lit. in the genres of fantasy and sci-fi. Luckily i like writting novels like that! ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1302711 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Alexandra_92 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T20:00:52Z IndexTAG: 179 TitleTAG: Greetings from Hellas Hello to everyone from the fatherland of heroes. I study ancient hellenic mythology in my free time. I am an author of science fiction novels. I would love to share and discuss with all of you the matterial that we will learn from profesor Nagy in these courses. Best Regards. UserIdTAG: 1144927 UserNameTAG: Alexander_Se CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:46:54Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Hello Alexander, I had the good fortune to visit your Country this summer! Where are you from and what kind of sci fi do you write? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1009844 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ksmith5111 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:42:29Z FirstChildTAG: Αλέξανδρε καλησπέρα!!! Έκανα κι εγώ ένα post πριν λίγο με όνομα "The Mythologists - Facebook Group", για ένα πανέμορφο γκρουπ που φτιάξαμε και αφορά την μυθολογία μας και σε 2,5 μήνες ήρθανε 7000 μέλη!!! Σε προσκαλώ να το διαβάσεις και αν σου αρέσει να έρθεις μαζί μας και, αν θελήσεις, να του κάνεις και vote!!! Με τιμή, Αποστόλης :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895514 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mythologist FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:51:46Z SecondChildTAG: I love "The Mythologists"!!! Well done!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1293126 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Marystrat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T01:18:43Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Alexandre, are you really a science fiction writer? Wow, that's extremely interesting!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1293126 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Marystrat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T01:19:51Z FirstChildTAG: I'm glad to see several more writers here. Have you been published before or still trying to get there? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1009273 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VEVancollie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T01:01:05Z IndexTAG: 180 TitleTAG: Happy St. Valentine :) Love and be loved :) Let Aphrodite help people to find their second halves and for those who have already found to keep them :) Warm Greetings from Armenia! UserIdTAG: 966253 UserNameTAG: SonaMito CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:28:50Z VoteTAG:2 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 7 FirstChildTAG: Looks like someone's done their homework! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 977441 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mrhexter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:32:40Z SecondChildTAG: ***yeah indeed...;)*** SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1191023 SecondChildUserNameTAG: masar SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:55:02Z FirstChildTAG: I second that notion. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1073797 FirstChildUserNameTAG: klganter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:41:26Z FirstChildTAG: Happy Valentine's Day to everyone FirstChildUserIdTAG: 411228 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aimster FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:31:44Z FirstChildTAG: Happy Valentine's Day to everyone also FirstChildUserIdTAG: 411228 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aimster FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:09:49Z FirstChildTAG: Happy Valentine's Day to everyone FirstChildUserIdTAG: 411228 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aimster FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:33:27Z FirstChildTAG: What a wonderful and appropriate sentiment! Happy Valentine's Day to all~ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1009844 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ksmith5111 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:51:33Z FirstChildTAG: ***HUGE Wonderful Valentine to every one.....;)*** FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1191023 FirstChildUserNameTAG: masar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:56:20Z IndexTAG: 181 TitleTAG: Boston Marathon bombings Hoping that all of you, the staff and the members of your families are ok. My thoughts are with you. UserIdTAG: 1280297 UserNameTAG: gnikiforou CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T06:51:02Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 182 TitleTAG: General Reflection: ANGER AND PRUDENCE GREAT DEEDS can ONLY be done by ANGRY MEN! kleos/Menis GREAT DEEDS may be done by CLEVER MEN. noos "Prudence is an ignorant old maid, courted by incapacity." William Blake, cited by Maria Montessori. WH UserIdTAG: 1282276 UserNameTAG: whaskett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T12:26:30Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: In *Iliad*, can great deeds be done by men in grief? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T05:08:00Z IndexTAG: 183 TitleTAG: Thetis's lamentation a preview of Muses and Nereids'one I think that the clue for this question lies on the passage below, of Pindar's lyric song (... 'And so it was that the immortal gods decided to hand over the man, genuine [esthlos] as he was even after he had perished [phthi-n-ein] in death, to the songs of the goddesses' [= the Muses].) Achilles chose for himself immortal fame instead of returning back home and living a long life up to his very old age .He chose to die in the peak of his youth so as to be glorified as a heroe by people and gods . By choosing eternal glory he became divine himself and that's why the Muses and the Nereids lament him and that's how Thetis's lamentation is a preview for their song of lament at the heroe's funeral . UserIdTAG: 1305671 UserNameTAG: maxtod CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T09:45:31Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: This is all on track, dear Maxtod ... except that Achilles does not actually become 'divine' although he is eternal or perpetual in the sense of his kleos or his song being imperishable and timeless and his psychic location within his burial mound is similarly for ever ... Divine is a term that we apply to the deities or the Immortals themselves. Do you see what I mean? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-14T20:43:42Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you very much for your remarks , dear kevinmcgrath7 ! Such an unwilting glory which Achilles receives on his death and because he's half divine on the part of his mother , and for his glorious funeral with the Muses and Nereids partaking in it as well , all these are so close to divinity , i think . And again , there was a cult of Achilles in some areas of ancient Greece ,wasn't there ? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305671 SecondChildUserNameTAG: maxtod SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T08:36:55Z IndexTAG: 184 TitleTAG: Achilles' Human Anguish Lets Slip the Dogs of War There is a particularly human savagery in this section of text which, reads "out" as almost inhuman in its savagery. As Nagy points out, we should read out, but the veracity of the text speaks volumes to reading "in" (I set a trap for myself here). But a modern, male, tribal, furious, "Fight Club" sensibility cannot be denied in these verses. The reverberations of the text are pure cinema, and yet can only live in Homer's verse- hhhmmmm. The utter lack of pity for the poor Trojan is after the culmination of great sorrow, but in its telling, the stuff that will build a legend. Achilles comes forth as a beast with no mercy, but there may be some of which, to a public hearing of this story, that would inform a sense of balance- a sense of "Achilles knows he will pay." Achilles' wrath is only justifiable, even to the ancient ear, if his sorrow prior to this moment had not been duly warranted and so true. Shortly, the river comes to test the great runner- read into that. I cannot read "out" of it. [110] but the hands of doom and death overshadow me all as surely. The day will come, either at dawn or dark, or at the noontide, when one shall take my life also in battle, either with his spear, or with an arrow sped from his bow.” [115] Thus did he speak, and Lykaon’s heart sank within him. He loosed his hold of the spear, and held out both hands before him; but Achilles drew his keen blade, and struck him by the collar-bone on his neck; he plunged his two-edged sword into him to the very hilt, whereon he lay at full length on the ground, with the dark blood welling from him till the earth was soaked. [120] Then Achilles caught him by the foot and flung him into the river to go down stream, vaunting over him the while, and saying, “Lie there among the fishes, who will lick the blood from your wound and gloat over it; your mother shall not lay you on any bier to mourn you, [125] but the eddies of Skamandros shall bear you into the broad bosom of the sea. There shall the fishes feed on the fat of Lykaon as they dart under the dark ripple of the waters – so perish all of you till we reach the citadel of strong Ilion – you in flight, and I following after to destroy you. [130] The river with its broad silver stream shall serve you in no stead, for all the bulls you offered him and all the horses that you flung living into his waters. None the less miserably shall you perish till there is not a man of you but has paid in full for the death of Patroklos and the havoc you wrought among the Achaeans [135] whom you have slain while I held aloof from battle.” So spoke Achilles, but the river grew more and more angry... UserIdTAG: 760626 UserNameTAG: matthewdcarter CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T03:32:39Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Yes, Matthew, this contest of Achilles and the river is certainly an exhibition of his great menis, his inhuman and superhuman anger. No one else in the poem demonstrates such a consciousness nor such an emotion of wrath, even the deities do not behave like this. Thus the poets are revealing to the audience something about the nature of the ferocity of Achilles; and one must not forget the reason why he is so enraged and possessed by his terrific despair. A good point! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T19:51:10Z SecondChildTAG: The audience should have been shown the violent aspect of Achilles in work , in 'real' ,let's say , action ,after all. Otherwise his bravery would be quite meager ,short of getting a full shape . SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305671 SecondChildUserNameTAG: maxtod SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T10:30:38Z FirstChildTAG: The way Achilles behaves to Priam in the last (xxiv-rhapsody) scroll when the king of Ilion came and asked Achilles to give him the body of his son shows a more humane aspect of this heroe's character . In this scene ,if you have read it, Achilles's outraging ferocity in the river scene was balanced by a moving humanism according to the respect he shows towards the father of his worst enemy . This way the heroe's figure gained a more balanced shape .No relation between him and the 'heroes' of 'Fight Club' movies like . FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305671 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maxtod FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-17T10:14:32Z IndexTAG: 185 TitleTAG: Question regarding use of 2nd person verbs "you" and the narrator [20] Then, O charioteer Patroklos, with a deep sigh you answered, “Achilles, son of Peleus, foremost champion of the Achaeans, do not be angry, but I feel grief [akhos] for the disaster that has now befallen the Argives. All those who have been their champions so far are lying at the ships, wounded by sword or spear. I was srtuck when reading this by the way the narrator addresses Patroklos, with "you," 2nd singular, and not "he," 3rd singular. It seems that as I have been reading the narrator always uses the 3rd person. Remaining a narrator and being impersonal. Has anyone noticed this use of the 2nd person, where the narrator addresses a character directly anywhere else in the readings? Perhaps it's common and I just noticed it? UserIdTAG: 1239613 UserNameTAG: daveymate CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T10:29:50Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: No ... this is not common, and it alerts the audience as to the drama of the moment as well as reminding them of the performance medium ... Well spotted! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T11:58:04Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks. Has anyone marked all the passages in the Illiad where such practice occurs? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1239613 SecondChildUserNameTAG: daveymate SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T14:43:29Z IndexTAG: 186 TitleTAG: Accuracy of the timeline of the nostos Dear all, When reading the Odyssey, I found a strange effect in the timeline of the *nostos*, in the episode after Ogygia, which I will use as an example of the accurate construction of the timeline of the whole epos, and that as introduction to a query which is related to the matters of Hour 1-3. There is a synchronicity in the events of the *Telemachy* and of the *Nostos*, which starts after the Olympic decision to send Hermes to Ogygia. On that day, which I will call day 1, Athene goes to Ithaca and in the evening of the next day, day 2, Telemachos sails to Pylos, arriving in the morning of day 3. Next a chariot brings him to Pherae where he arrives in the evening of day 4. On day 5 he arrives in Sparta, where he joins a wedding party at the house of Menelaos and on day 6 Menelaos recounts the wanderings of his own *nostos*. On day 7 Telemachos hurries back to Pylos, where he arrives in the morning of day 8. That same day he boards his ship, arriving in Ithaca in the morning of day 9 and meets his father in the hut of the swineherd Eumaios. His father had arrived on Ithaka the day before; on day 8. He left Scheria on day 7, told his story to Alkinoös and Arete on day 6 and arrived on Scheria at the sunrise of day 5. Four days Odysseus needed to build his raft after Calypso released him and in the first night after the arrival of Hermes, Odysseus slept with Calypso. This leads us to the disturbing conclusion that the duration of the journey from Ogygia to Scheria was exactly zero days. The journey took zero days, while it is stated to be 17 days. Should we assume that the "micro-narrative" of the journey from Ogygia to Scheria was much more a wandering of the *psukhē* of Odysseus - than a physical voyage? The numerical accuracy of the plot, and the great time pressure that is put on the shoulders of Telemachos, suggests that the time scale is intentionally composed in this meaningful manner. One implication is that attempts to place this voyage far west in the Mediterranean are void, especially if they are based on a justification of the 17 days period. Does someone have an opinion on this "Easter egg"? (I am writing this at a day of Easter) This brings me back to the topic of the first Hours: can a document that is so well structured, be the result of oral tradition? In the other postings it was already discussed that a Singer cannot repeat two times the same version of the epos. Such mechanism must clearly have been at the cost of the intricate multi-layered structure of the poetry, of which an example is given above. I can see that oral tradition has formed the individual *micro-narratives*, through a process that took 2000 or even 3000 years, but it seems to me there must also have been a (brilliant) composer at work who put all this together in the form as we know it. Note that I bring this forward as a discussion, not as an opinion. I have been *fast reading* the translated Ilias and Odyssey once, and done some close reading of parts, so my background is that I am in the middle of an introduction; this introduction to the *ancient hero*. Thanks, Professor Nagy, staff and fellow participants. Best regards, Rien UserIdTAG: 1109885 UserNameTAG: Rien CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T05:33:15Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Rien, Thanks so much for posting as a discussion, not an opinion. Same thing here, for sure. As I read it, you are posing two open-ended questions: the first one is about the number of days the synchronic narratives of the Odyssey take; since we can't assume that people have read that yet, I'm a bit reluctant to respond in detail, but here's where your question gets complicated, quoting your post: > He left Scheria on day 7, told his story to Alkinoös and Arete on day 6 and arrived on Scheria at the sunrise of day 5. Four days Odysseus needed to build his raft after Calypso released him and in the first night after the arrival of Hermes, Odysseus slept with Calypso. Your "day 7" comes from the narrative of Telemachus' journey -- in other words, you are saying that day 7 of his journey is the first day of Telemachus' journey. But that's not the way the narrative works. What has confused you is two things: one is called Zielinski's Law (named after Tadeusz Zielinski, a great Polish classicist of the 19th Century who was Bakhtin's teacher), which says (caution: this is my rephrasing, not the original wording -- I'm not in a place where I can find that for you, but I will try to do that before tonight) that Homeric narrative cannot tell what you are thinking of synchronous narratives any other way than as sequential. So the two narratives, Telemachus' and Odysseus', have their own timeline even though they intersect at the end when Odysseus arrives at the swineherd's hut. So that already mitigates the difficulty you have: it's about the conventional way that the Homeric (and probably other storytelling traditions: when I was a kid we had cowboy movies that did started the second, parallel narrative with "Meanwhile, back at the ranch..." -- same idea) deal with parallel narratives, and that also pertains to the way that they are perceived by the audience. Instead, you've applied a rational calculus to the sequence within and between the two narratives' days that doesn't seem to be part of the conventional way that they are structured and apprehended. In other words, I'm not sure that the problem that your approach elicits is a problem within the Homeric narrative tradition and within its conventions for telling parallel narratives. It's again a matter of reading the rules out of the text, I think! The second confusing item has to do with the way that Odyssey Scroll 5 begins, which is an example of Zielinski's Law. You are (ever so naturally for our narrative rule)s interpreting the so-called second assembly of the gods as happening *after* the events of Telemachus' journey. Instead, it's a *reprise* of the first assembly, and you are meant to understand (or better, it's conventional to understand) that it's starting point is the same starting point as the one at the beginning of the epic, not _after_ all the events that involve Telemachus. Note that the gods decided to do both things at the beginning (send Athena to Telemachus and Hermes to Odysseus), so the groundwork has been laid and in the second assembly Zeus even says, in effect, to Athena, yes, we already decided that, why are you asking me again? So the parallel narrative is told *as though it's in sequence*, but this is the way that you show that the two actually start at the same time. I'd add one thing: this won't work out your problem if you start counting the days again between the two narrative sequences and try to make the days synchronous at the point at which they intersect but have them start at the same point. But we're talking here about the whole way in which parallel narratives are conceived and apprehended being different from the way that you conceive their synchronicity. There's the other question you ask, about the need for a brilliant genius to make the poetry do the intricate and interesting things that it does -- and there are intricate and interesting things that it does even if I'm not sure that your example is an instance of that. I'll try to answer that in a second post, since this one is already too long!! Best, Lenny FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1241825 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lenny_Muellner FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T19:37:20Z IndexTAG: 187 TitleTAG: 24hours in pdf Under the tab 'Course Info" on the right side under the title "Course Handouts" there was the first hour in pdf format. Now has gone. It is very convenient to have each hour in pdf format. Is it possible for the staff to repost it? Thank you in advance UserIdTAG: 1280297 UserNameTAG: gnikiforou CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T21:51:45Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_Questions NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear gnikiforou, due to copyright issues we can not post the PDF's, but an epub version is available. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T01:55:15Z SecondChildTAG: ok, i see, thank you for your reply. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T17:50:12Z IndexTAG: 188 TitleTAG: Avdo Mededovic The recording of Avdo Mededovic, as enclosed in the video material, is absolutely great! I can believe that the researchers see similarity in the oral tradition of the Ilias. However, the art seems to be mostly in the recalling, instrumentally in "how to get information transited”, for example, through a period of Dark Ages. But if we see how full of "scientific" content the text of the Ilias and the Odyssey is, should we then not consider a discrimination between the composers and the performers? I have enormous respect for what is at display here and just trying to learn, and have done so already a lot in 2 of the 26 hours! Thank you professor Nagy and staff. UserIdTAG: 1109885 UserNameTAG: Rien CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T20:14:15Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I'm not sure exactly what you meant by "recalling," but one thing that Milman Parry established in his research is that singers like Avdo do not know their songs by heart but always compose them as they are singing, that is in performance. One of the experiment Parry did involved asking singers to sing the same song twice, and although the singers claimed to do it (i.e. when asked they claimed that they had sung the exact same song), they could never do it, but always changed it as they were singing it. So in the context of a song culture, there is no difference between composing and performing. Does this help? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1405944 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CorinnePache FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-27T19:15:46Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Corinne, Thanks for your clarification. It is an amazing process, how this poetry has its origins, was formed (performed) and now us, trying to comprehend and learn from it. Best regards, SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rien SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T06:27:55Z IndexTAG: 189 TitleTAG: suggestions for reading I find that reading the I itself is good for theory, at normal pace, but carefully: The later chapters are interesting because Homer appears to be weighing things up, and presenting us with some partial conclusions about war, heros and wisdom, as well as in xviii, giving a version of two poleis, one at war, one at peace, as though there was a choice, and which one he/they favor. Look out for Poulydamas in 12.210-229, if you are so far, and consider him again in 18.249-283, where he offers Hektor the guidance of 'wisdom,' (which Hecktor rejects, of course) but Homer or his authors finds Poulydamas had spoken 'good sense' to the Trojans, but that Pallas Athene had taken away the wits from them, They gave their applaude to Hektor 'in his counsel of evil.' (18/312) UserIdTAG: 1282276 UserNameTAG: whaskett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T13:28:05Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 190 TitleTAG: About Professor's prompting phrase I think in the case of Herakles and Eurystheus the cosmic pattern you said is not fully satisfied because Zeus's will or plan was to make Herakles and not Eurystheus the king of Argives.Unless you mean that there's a plan or Fate which is overwhelming even the king of the gods. UserIdTAG: 1305671 UserNameTAG: maxtod CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T07:47:21Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: Hour 1 / Text A CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_Hour1_TextA NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: If I am not wrong (I am a student too,)I think that in the second part of your comment lies the truth. Another example of Fate's role might be the time of Sarpedon's death, Zeus' own son. Zeus could do nothing to avert it, because his time had come. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T02:56:11Z FirstChildTAG: I think that events, for the heroes, are not scripted, but that the heroes (and the gods too) are subject to free will. Things happen based on decisions made and actions taken, but are not orchestrated by an all knowing entity. Of course, these events are documented by the epic poem, which is constrained by the facts of the story told. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277416 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JenniferNebraska FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T22:45:31Z SecondChildTAG: This answer is better than mine--more complete. However, still, there is the moment of the hero's death, and nobody can avert it, either mortal or immortal. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T23:49:40Z SecondChildTAG: In a sense the way the Homeric epics are fabricated is a found for the individualism movement of the age of Reneissance SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305671 SecondChildUserNameTAG: maxtod SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T14:54:47Z IndexTAG: 191 TitleTAG: What is Thersites doing in the Iliad? I think Book 12/Army Council: he is short, bow=-legged and ugly: he makes the obvious comment, that most of tghe Greeks would like to stop trying to get Helen from Paris, and simply go home. Agamemnon, as a device, has already suggested this, so it is not the quality of the speech, but he is not answered at all, and Odysseus responds with a blow. I thought of Falstaff and the pennyworth of bread (12 lines or so out of 15,000) to the quantity of sack in Henry v. wh UserIdTAG: 1282276 UserNameTAG: whaskett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T19:00:48Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Whaskett, The answer is given by [Donald Kagan][1] in minute 45. But, really, start at minute 43; the story of Kagan is hilarious and well thought. I don't work for Harvard, but the man is a Master-Singer on his own! [1]: http://oyc.yale.edu/classics/clcv-205/lecture-3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rien FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T22:18:23Z IndexTAG: 192 TitleTAG: Different Translations Appearing in the Discussions I have noticed that portions of the readings that are being posted in the discussion threads at times differ from the translations I am reading in the Sourcebook. For example, here is one from a discussion thread about Zeus' will taken from The 1924 translation by A.T. Murray: The wrath sing, goddess, of Peleus' son, Achilles, that destructive wrath which brought countless woes upon the Achaeans, and sent forth to Hades many valiant souls of heroes, and made them themselves spoil for dogs and every bird; thus the plan of Zeus came to fulfillment, from the time when first they parted in strife Atreus' son, king of men, and brilliant Achilles. Below, here, is the translation from the Sourcebook. [1] Anger [mēnis], goddess, sing it, of Achilles son of Peleus - 2 disastrous [oulomenē] anger that made countless pains [algea] for the Achaeans, 3 and many steadfast lives [psūkhai] it drove down to Hādēs, 4 heroes’ lives, but their bodies it made prizes for dogs [5] and for all birds, and the Will of Zeus was reaching its fulfillment [telos] I'm not sure if I have a specific question here or I'm just curious about how we will take different meanings from different translations. UserIdTAG: 895328 UserNameTAG: LaGue CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T15:51:36Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: As when people discuss the Bible, we have to worry to be faithful to the original language, not to a specific translation. As it is, I tend to use the [Perseus Project][1] to look at the Greek of the text (which is really where my interest lies), and they offer two different translations there that can be loaded on the right side of the page. That's where I pulled that quote. Generally, when we're dealing with things written in Greek and pulled into English through translation, it is more helpful to have various translations at our fingertips. The sourcebook, I think, is put together for those who do not have access to the text in other versions. It's a launchpad, not a be-all and end-all version of the text. Maybe others have other opinions. They can comment below. ;) [1]: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133&redirect=true FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1241157 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JaiHare FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T16:12:07Z SecondChildTAG: Of course, I mean "discuss the Bible (as literature)." SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1241157 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JaiHare SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T16:19:12Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for pointing me to the Perseus Project. Since you are reading the Greek, would you say that the English translation is more faithful to the dactylic hexameter of the original than the Sourcebook offered in this course? And, I understood and agreed with your comment on the Bible. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 895328 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LaGue SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T23:27:59Z SecondChildTAG: I had the privilige of being taught Heliad in 2nd grade high school. The translation from Ancient Greek to Modern Greek was from two quite well established writers of the time - N.Kazantzakis and M.Kakridis. What I notice in its English version used in this course is the use of specific translations, for ex. 'Ate' who is really the goddess of blindness in the Greek text, which I can not detect their origin. (another question: Why isn't the word 'rapsody' used for the different parts?) I am really interested in the way (and the how!) the Homeric text was translated. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1357199 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AthenaStefanatou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T09:16:32Z FirstChildTAG: Dear LaGue, I am sorry for the delayed answer. Do you see a serious difference in meaning between the two translations? If you could be more specific-- I mean, which word/words cause you confusion? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T02:53:45Z IndexTAG: 193 TitleTAG: Hour 1 - "and the will of Zeus was being completed" In line 5 of the first scroll of the Iliad, we see the line "and the will of Zeus was being completed" (Διὸς δ᾽ ἐτελείετο βουλή), and a question shows up in the question set for this hour regarding the will of Zeus. What indications do we have from the text about how we should properly understand Zeus' will? The 1924 translation by A.T. Murray reads: > The wrath sing, goddess, of Peleus' son, Achilles, that destructive > wrath which brought countless woes upon the Achaeans, and sent forth > to Hades many valiant souls of heroes, and made them themselves spoil > for dogs and every bird; *thus the plan of Zeus came to fulfillment*, > from the time when first they parted in strife Atreus' son, king > of men, and brilliant Achilles. I would assume that this is speaking about the plan/counsel (βουλή) of Zeus that he made as a result of his talk with Thetis, Achilles' mother. This plan is that he would kill off the Achaeans until such a point as they would honor Achilles and remedy the insult that they had inflicted on him. Would, then, the "will of Zeus" that is seen here carried out be the killing off of the Achaeans or actually setting the stage for the completion of the war with Troy? How can we be sure what to read from the text regarding the will of Zeus in this line? Thanks! Jason Hare UserIdTAG: 1241157 UserNameTAG: JaiHare CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T14:09:41Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I,also, did not find this clear, for the reasons you have listed. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1387083 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RettaB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T21:34:08Z SecondChildTAG: I believe it infers using different types of logic. Deductive vs. inductive. It isn't explicit SecondChildUserIdTAG: 956149 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kcabel11 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T15:33:12Z FirstChildTAG: I think that the ancient Greek heroes had the oportunity to choose their ways of life, as we see in the text F, hour 0: Achilles says that he carries "**the burden of two different fated ways**". Heracles was also given the chance to choose. And they choose glory. Nevertheless, the rule of Gods is very important. They gave them their extraordinary strength and intelligence. Without them, their deeds would have not been possible. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1163815 FirstChildUserNameTAG: amparoalmeida FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T13:15:09Z IndexTAG: 194 TitleTAG: Where are the Assessments Please? Hi, Sorry, probably being completely dumb here, but where are the actual assessments, questions etc, or am I missing something? Thanks :-) UserIdTAG: 960583 UserNameTAG: P00ch CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T11:37:58Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_Questions NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Found it :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 960583 FirstChildUserNameTAG: P00ch FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T11:54:05Z SecondChildTAG: Do you want to point it out for the rest of us? I can't find it either - except in the email that I received. I'd like to be able to find them here on the site. Thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1241157 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JaiHare SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T13:39:29Z FirstChildTAG: Ah, found it. It's in the Courseware under the appropriate hour. In this case, it's listed as a question set for Hour 1. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1241157 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JaiHare FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T13:43:43Z SecondChildTAG: That's it, sorry, I should have said. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 960583 SecondChildUserNameTAG: P00ch SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T09:56:36Z IndexTAG: 195 TitleTAG: I didn't hit 'save' before ' Final Check', it this a problem? I didn't hit 'save' before ' Final Check', it this a problem? UserIdTAG: 344405 UserNameTAG: AMariani CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T09:36:50Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Good Question. I didn't either. Also, in the annotation discussion questions, I didn't realize I had to actually select one of the options below the written response box. So after writing a paragraph, I simply selected Final Check and got an X for my grade. Be careful there. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895328 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LaGue FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T13:50:53Z SecondChildTAG: I also made the same mistake perhaps becuase I read from left to right and the first box/choice is check answer. I will need to read more clearly before making a choice. I am wondering if my answers were submitted and I will get credit because I didn't click on submit. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 956149 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kcabel11 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T15:35:44Z SecondChildTAG: You can do it now. I have just submitted mine. Go back and... submit :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T03:15:00Z SecondChildTAG: I cannot submit it! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1163815 SecondChildUserNameTAG: amparoalmeida SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T13:51:19Z FirstChildTAG: Hi!it is not necessary to hit save.Save helps to keep your answer saved as long as you decide that it is correct and then you hit the final check! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1386494 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GMalkotzoglou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T20:22:22Z IndexTAG: 196 TitleTAG: Some thoughts to share Dear Semeli group, during the reading of these first two hours many questions arose. I will try in the future to write and share my thoughts one by one. Before I go on I feel obliged to ask for your patience and understanding. You see I'm not an english native speaker, and though for many years I was reading and listening to it, I rarely had to express myself in english. So now, I'm sad to say I realise that understanding and fluency are two totaly different things. Especially when I read the wonderfully delicate english in which the texts are writen and then try to formylate my own thoughts ... And this is the main reason why I didn't participate this Forum until now. Anyway maybe apart for being a good reason to delve into existencial maters this will also be a good reason to practice the english language. To the point: 1. One problem that seems to appear already on this first reading is the question of freedom. Achilles quoting his mother says that he has to choose either to die and win immortal kleos or to live long without it. So we think that it's him, the mortal Achilles, who makes the decision. How can this statement be compatible to the statement that "Iliad is the will of Zeus"? If there is a cosmic will that predestines, what are the limits of the human freedom? I know that this is a question that has been answered through the centuries in many different ways and I doubt it will be given sometime in the future a final answer. It is all the same interesting to know what for example human beings of the Iliad era thought about it. 2. According to the text there are 3 things chracteristic for heroes: unsesonality / extrem possitive and extrem negative sides /antagonismus towards the god. Although we are from the very beginning asked to try and read out of and not into the text I couldn't resist the temptation (?) of thinking of a what fits the heroe image for me - us in general [and yet perhaps not everyone on this planet, but those of us who share the so-called western civillization]. I was impressed to find out that whoever was the person that I labeled as a Modern Heroe he fulfilled these 3 chracteristics. All of them are unseasonal in terms that they are far beyond their time, have extrem positive and extrem negative aspects and dare to fight against what is supposed to be the "god" of their epoch. More than this ... no matter what a person does in his life he is not a Heroe unless he dies in the proper moment (am I allowed to say in action?) 3. A combination of the above points makes me think that if you are "unseasonly born", if you are a combination of best an worse in one and you are antagonistic toward "god" it is somehow predestined for you to become a Heroe... I tried to express my thoughts as presice as possible. I hope I succeed. I 'm looking forward to your opinions on these questions. Thanks a lot Martha UserIdTAG: 1285580 UserNameTAG: GALAMAR CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T08:34:15Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi, Martha. First, your English is very expressive and quite good enough to make your points. Please continue to do so without hesitation. Now, to your points. I was having this very discussion last night about whether the heroes are acting of their own free will or not. It seems that no where does a god use a power to force a hero to follow the god's command or wish or will. But the gods' powers do influence the actions of the heroes, ie, Apollo's reign of pestilence upon the Achaeans which in turn began the chain of events that led to Hector's decimation of the Achaeans. And the will of the hero to please the god impacts events, ie, Achilles' desire to please Athena stopped him from slaying Agamemnon. In turn, the heroes and priests are so loved by the gods that the gods will act on behalf of the heroes, priests, etc. For example, Achilles' mother, Thetis, and Khryses god, Apollo both act to appease hurts and insults to the two. It seems to me there is a lot of cause and effect back and forth, a sort of symbiotic or mutual relationship between the gods and heroes. Let me hear what you think of this opinion. Thanks, Christy FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895328 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LaGue FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T23:01:45Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for your response and your polite words, Christy. I keep thinking on these matters. I have an objection on what you say about gods not using their power to force a hero to follow their commands etc. When Apollo does what he does it is in order to punish the Aecheans and make them give Khryses' daughter back. He does it because his priest asks him to intervent but this is nevertheless an action of power. To come bach to the point 1. Professor Nagy says that "heroes are free agents in making the life and death choices that they make". And it seems to be so when Achilles says that he has to choose either to live long or have a short life followed bei immortal kleos. But after making a slow reading of skroll 1 I found the following very interesting statements of Achilles: *"Mother," he cried, "you bore me doomed **to live but for a little season**; [352]* and his mother Thetis :*"My son, woe is me that I should have borne and nursed you. [415] Would indeed that you had lived your span free from all sorrow at your ships, **for it is all too brief**; alas, that you should be at once short of life and long of sorrow above your peers: woe, therefore, was the hour in which I bore you;"* Is it or is it not after all presdestined for him to live a short life i.e. to gain the kleos? Refering to your last phrase I think I tend to agree with you that all of them, heroes and gods live in let's say a kind of the kingdom of a force more powerfull than they are - a cosmic will (?!) looking foreward to continuing this conversation Martha SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1285580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GALAMAR SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T20:48:49Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Semeli Group: Some personal questions: 1. Should I let the ´will of ...´ (that includes nature, fate, culture) figure out what my life will be? 2. What should I do in order to live a fully (interesting) life? 3. What is a fully life for me? 4. Should I be the cause of my decisions, deeds and labors? 5. Would I like to be a hero and be of constant sorrow? 6. Would I like to be a king overshadows by a hero? 7. What should I do to think correct and take my own decisions, each time better and better? 8. What should I do with my Ego? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1061478 FirstChildUserNameTAG: oraguil52 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T14:12:26Z SecondChildTAG: Dear (?), When you will have the answer to all these questions let us know because you will be the first human to have managed this. It is just black humor - please don't misunderstand me... Martha SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1285580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GALAMAR SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T20:51:50Z IndexTAG: 197 TitleTAG: Late Starter Hello all, I hail from the Washington State, USA and am starting late with this course. This course topic is of high interest to me because I love stories new and old and in any and all formats. The material will be a nice change because I am currently working on AAS in Computer Service and have already obtained an AA in Arts. I miss my Liberal Arts coursework and am in desperate need of a little literature and abstract thought; been stuck in front of a computer too long reading technical mumbo jumbo. Ironic that I am on a computer now as I compose this. I am looking forward to correspondence with this diverse cohort. Thank You. UserIdTAG: 1445883 UserNameTAG: frekiJEM CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T21:13:44Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_KnowCohort NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome! Enjoy!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1241825 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lenny_Muellner FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T03:21:20Z SecondChildTAG: Let's dwell into the meaning of hero and heroes by connecting to the Greek concept of "kleos". SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1434105 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 1_iskandarjoned SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T10:05:51Z IndexTAG: 198 TitleTAG: Greetings from Takoma Park Maryland Library Hi Semele folks, I am a library instructor at a small independent library in Maryland. We are organizing a group of patrons (ages ranging from 13 years to retired) who are taking this course to also have periodic face-to-face gatherings. We are providing access to the course and technical support for our patrons through our public access computer center. And I am happily taking the course right along with our group, and all of you. Patti UserIdTAG: 1337378 UserNameTAG: pmallin CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T17:08:15Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_KnowCohort NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear Patti, That sounds like a really good way to approach Ancient Greek Epic and the Song Culture that produced it. Keep us up to date on how you are doing! Best, Mary FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1423512 FirstChildUserNameTAG: marylaub FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T17:21:18Z IndexTAG: 199 TitleTAG: The characteristics of the Hero as a sung/music famed man/god Given that we do not know much about greek music, and only the names of the modes. Would the Iliad have been admitted to the Platonic Republic: which allowed only the Dorian and the Phrygian: or the Aristotelian Politics, which would admit only the Dorian? Cf. Oxford Dictionary of Music. vol. 1 I had wondered whether the transmission of the Iliad by Rhapsodes, over centuries, would require some attention, more than is indicated in the syllabus to Greek music. wh UserIdTAG: 1282276 UserNameTAG: whaskett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T15:56:54Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_Questions NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear whaskett, Fun question! We do know a fair amount about Greek music, about the modes and the scales (which feature quarter tones), but rhapsodes were performers of epic who held no instrument -- only a *rhabdos* 'staff'. That's the way that Greeks experienced the Homeric poems in the archaic and classical period, in performance by rhapsodes who stood on a raised platform in theaters and who recited but did not sing. In Athens, rhapsodes performed both poems in competitive relays at the festival honoring Athena's birthday, for significant prizes. Notice however that when people like Achilles in the *Iliad* or Phemios or Demodokos in the *Odyssey* sing epic song, they do so to a seven-stringed lyre. There is no explanation in the poems, though, about the music that they accompanied their singing with. Best wishes, Lenny FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1241825 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lenny_Muellner FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T03:42:15Z IndexTAG: 200 TitleTAG: Did the Greeks invented the hero? When the question first came to my mind I thought: Off course not, they probably invented 'the Greek hero'. A hero is such a familiar thing that must be one this cross-cultural categories. However, google and wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero) are not helping to find other referenced to heroes or heroes-like cults in other non-Mediterranean cultures. Can we come up with a list of key, culturally meaningful heroes from non-western background that could be used to be compared with the Achilles and Ulysses? tks! alvaro UserIdTAG: 344405 UserNameTAG: AMariani CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T14:51:15Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: What a pertinent question! Heroes perhaps take their origins from as early as the Upper Paleolithic time although we cannot 'prove' this; many scholars have traced the origins of heroic song back to the myths of this very early period. Much of what we call 'Indo-European' culture or literature, which dates back several thousand years from the present, represents a community of both myths and figures. What we see in Sanskrit heroic traditions is often similar to what occurs in the Greek or Old Irish or Scandinavian traditions. I spent quite an amount of time once comparing the Indic hero Karna with the Greek hero Achilles, for instance. So ... you raise a very interesting question, and I hope that this helps to clarify your point. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1251858 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kevinmcgrath7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T18:17:59Z SecondChildTAG: Indeed Karna looks like a perfect example. Even too perfect. Do we have any idea if these two epic have some shared background? Taking the risk of making this question too broad: Do scholars generally agree that epic/heroes myths are a 'human universal concepts' (as I suppose 'Gods' or even 'sacrifice rituals' are) shared by Greeks, Indians or Indigenous peoples in the Americas? The intuitive answer seams to be 'yes'... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 344405 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AMariani SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:26:00Z FirstChildTAG: It seems that every culture on the planet has had its share of heroes that may or may not have predated Greek tradition. Heroes apparently have been closely associated with religious belief systems, whether Greek, Semitic, Vedic, Far Eastern, etc.,. Man seems to have a need for heroes even outside those belief systems however. The canonization of various political heroes, even modern ones, and the pseudo-myths surrounding them are plentiful enough, even though glass coffins are a relative rarity. Whether or not these heroes deserve their deification, is certainly moot, but at least, people in glass coffins never throw stones. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 145656 FirstChildUserNameTAG: desertbob FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T16:47:56Z IndexTAG: 201 TitleTAG: Hello Hello my name is Miracle from Nigeria, i guess this is my cohort. Thanks UserIdTAG: 827762 UserNameTAG: Miracle24 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T13:02:52Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_KnowCohort NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 202 TitleTAG: Fast and Close Reading of Introduction and Hour O and Hour 1 In light of a few moments to type, I have composed and revised once my ideas after re-reading the literal translation of the first scroll. I say “re-reading” because this story is quite familiar to me because it was required to be read in various translations in high school and college. I only have a special joy in looking at the “source code” for this great epic. “Disastrous anger that made countless pains to the Achaeans” Here the narrator already wants the reader or listener aware of the greatness of heroes, such as Ajax, Odysseus, and Achilles, and how it is directly connected to military prowess and the glory, or folly, of conquest. The narrator also takes pains to ensure that there are forces outside of man’s controls (e.g. “the Will of Zeus”). Throughout the passage, there is a constant reference to the interaction between gods, who start in motion the life on earth, and the people, who are subject to the power of the gods, or events like plagues and earthquakes outside of their ability to influence, and who are also competing for dominance in and among themselves. The narrator is clever to establish this immediately because it gives the reader or listener a sense that there is a participation in the story, as it is sung, but also that he cannot influence its outcome, much like the characters in the story cannot influence the will of their gods (outside of prayer or rituals that are designed to get their attention). "[...] “O god of the silver bow, you who protects Khrysē and holy Killa and rules Tenedos with your might, hear me O Sminthian God of Plague Apollo. If I have ever decked your temple with garlands, [40] or burned your thigh-pieces in fat of bulls or goats, grant my prayer, and let your arrows avenge these my tears upon the Danaans." Thus did he pray, and Apollo heard his prayer. He came down furious from the summits of Olympus[...]” Two important themes develop from this prayer in the outside: the first is that a struggle, violent or otherwise will settle the dispute between the holy man and the king, and the second is that man can communicate with the divine when the conditions warrant it. Certainly a struggle without divine intervention has been told about the Ancient Greeks. Thucydides’ master work regarding the Pelopanesian war begins with an opposite argument of Homer, that he will not conjecture about gods, plagues, earthquakes, storms, and how those things influence the hearts of the men who commanded their people’s armies. He tells his tale with a self-reported objectivity that is the polar opposite of Homer’s work, which allows for the influence of the divine. In all religions, there is a fundamental yearning by its supplicants to unite with the divine and transcend, either through purification or death, life on earth. Thucydides does not enter into any of these discussion, but he still describes the acts of heroes, as he believed them to be, during the events that led to war, the actual conduct of warfare between the states and also the periods of peace that allow for reconciliation and intrigue. The speakers the narrator chose for the first scroll are also notable and important figures for their culture: The King and The Priest. Both of this characters are heroes in their own right who both venture on expeditions, or quests, to understand or live out their own nature. The King desires justice and will accomplish it using an alliance of his peers to correct the injustice. In doing so, the Priest, also believes that he is going to repair injustice, but he has no kingdom, no army, and no alliances, except his relationship with Apollo to whom he “[...]decked [his] temple with garlands,[40] or burned [his] thigh-pieces in fat of bulls or goats[...].” Clearly there was a long relationship built between Chryses and Apollo that brought the Priest into the company of heroes, at least for the readers’ consideration. There were also a variety of discussion in this work on the very topic that this class is designed to address: “What does it mean to be a hero?” Agamemnon was clearly convinced that man had to ascend on his own merit and use everything at his own disposal to become a hero. In fact, he is adamantly opposed to belief in the will of the gods as a was to realize this goal “[...]Your scepter of the god and your wreath shall profit you nothing[...].” Here the narrator wish the readers to clearly understand an argument between the two, and to also take sides in this discourse. If these songs were sung in an intimate setting where perhaps a hundred listeners where seated in cushions around an acoustic-accompanied bard, they would generate reactions to the bard upon which he could feed their emotion within the story. For example, if he were playing to a devout or religious group regarding the insults against religion, the bard, and his band, could make the insults more gruesome and triumphs against them greater with a dramatic score to build those moment. The opposite audience, one that is more in favor of human-centered victories over the zealots who waste their time in prayer, would appreciate the unity in which the Achaeans prepare for war and set sail to work justice with their own hands. In this case, the listeners get to interact with the story teller more-so that a reader 3,000 years removed from the event. However, the tone of the story is not lost with the loss of interaction because each reader has his or her own sympathies regarding religion and humanistic approach to realizing the dream of becoming immortalized through the model of his work, becoming a Hero. Additionally, there is the god, Apollo himself. As Professor Nagy had reminded all the “fellow learners,” there is a great deal about the Greek world that matters in the close reading of the text. In this point, the Oracle at Delphi served to all of the Greek world as a repository of knowledge, or at least information, if a reader were taking a purely secular view of the function of the oracle. With regards to the Oracle from a religious viewpoint, there is a special deference to the god, Apollo, who is the patron of the Oracle. This is a way that the narrator can forecast doom, or at least a conflict that will end with a great deal of conflict and misery, which is a conservative word to describe a ten-year-long siege in hostile territory. The narrator’s choice of an Apollo-following priest is an excellent one, because it reaches out to any culture that touched the Oracle at Delphi in one way or another, making his work universally understood and readily relatable no matter what dialect it was sung in. And, then, there was Achilles, the well-known Greek demigod whose acts were long celebrated by hoplites of all cultures. Using him as a compatriot to Agamemnon also allowed him to be a foil to the king, who was ready to go to war at a moment’s notice. Not only did he wish to go to war, he insulted a holy man, who advised against war. Even Achilles, whose military prowess were renown in the Greek world, deferred to the divine regarding the wisdom to go to war. He was not angered, like Agamemnon, to continue the fight in the face of Apollo’s wrath, but, rather, he asked to seek some sort of wisdom before they begin their journey to lay siege to Troy. From a military standpoint, it seems that Achilles has taken the stance that this particular declaration of war from Apollo was a bad omen, and, thus, the readers and listeners of the song would also know that they were likely doomed from the outset. Agamemnon would not be dissuaded from conquest, so he suggested an “unthinkable” price, that if he were not aided in recovering compensation for his own daughter another Greek will supply him with the one of his choosing. “Prize” and conquest here can refer to the literal, in so much as the actual characters. However, readers can also infer that women, in general, are representative of the land, or, more precisely, the people of the land. With that in mind, a reader can infer that the loss of his daughter was equally a loss by the people, and, therefore, worthy to exact revenge. In the extension of his kingdom, Agamemnon wishes to become a ruler of a greater amount of, or variety of, people. He wishes to make the world more like his own image, a very god-like design upon which to drawn into humanity, for, after all, when the conflict ends, the only survivors who matter are the following generations. It is these generations that Agamemnon would prefer to adopt his view of the world, the view that persists in a merit-driven path to excellence. “Achilles scowled at him and answered, "You are steeped in insolence and lust of gain. [150] With what heart can any of the Achaeans do your bidding, either on foray or in open fighting? I came to make war here not because the Trojans are responsible [aitioi] for any wrong committed against me. I have no quarrel with them. They have not raided my cattle nor my horses, [155] nor cut down my harvests on the rich plains of Phthia; for between me and them there is a great space, both mountain and sounding sea. We have followed you, shameless one, for your pleasure, not ours – to gain satisfaction [timē] from the Trojans for you – you with the looks of a dog – and for Menelaos.” Achilles certainly had his own vision of justice, and it did not include becoming a mercenary, or giving hostages, for the base reasons of a king above other Greek kings. So, just as Achilles challenged the wisdom of Agamemnon, both Athena (Hera) and Nestor, challenged the loyalty of Achilles. In military terms, this would be called the Unity of Command, a concept in which all subordinate leaders must submit to the plan and the will of the supreme leader, in this case Agamemnon. Achilles understood Agamemnon’s hold over the other Greeks and was willing to challenge him. However, Agamemnon felt that, as the first among his peers, the presiding king, he has absolute power over those in the alliance. In terms of prosecuting a war, Achilles’ ability and fame were a greater asset that whether or not he joined in the actual fighting. Athena attempted to calm his spirit, and Nestor appealed to the legacy of great Greek kings who were now brought into the readers’ minds. This point in storytelling is an effective way to reach out to a variety of cultures because the bard who sang this song, could easily substitute some locally-remembered hero-king, who would sway the audience to sympathize with the Greek cause (or perhaps against it if you refer to my earlier comment of the setting in which the bard was playing). These two, Athena and Nestor, also have a respective appeal to Achilles on a spiritual and historical level. Athena, who is foretelling that the alliance must stay together for spiritual reasons, offers gifts to a king and demigod. Readers might think, what type of gift is offered by a goddess to king and demigod? Immortality. The remembrance of his character and his deeds. These are the gifts that are worthy of a “model of humanity, the Hero.” Nestor’s words thereafter may seem like just an afterthought, but, again, there is the appeal that the secular-centric audience would not be moved by the gift of a goddess, but would be more moved by the gift of immortality, too. However, it is the immortality of a different type, that which is penned by Thucydides more than Homer. The objective record that shows what type of man you were, humble or noble, and how you achieved your greatness, how you became the “model of humanity, the Hero.” Homer’s immortality, with regards to story being told and retold, also contains another element. The element of the divine often is difficult to understand. There is certainly a hierarchy in the heavens, much like among the Greeks. However, they are not always available, nor does it seem appropriate what they do, such as Apollo sending darts and arrows of misfortune among the Greeks. There is also a discussion among the gods that is omitted, especially concerning the plea from Achilles’ mother to Zeus. From a storytelling perspective, this openness is grounds for artistic license and a great method for the storytellers to relate to their respective audiences regarding their particular views on models of humanity and attaining immortality as a “Hero.” Be that as it may, readers can agree that the opinions of the gods are just as fickle, or perhaps malleable, as those of their fellow men, for after all of Achilles heartache at injustice and the following of prescribed rituals, “[...]Apollo sent them a fair wind[...]” upon which they then joined in the journey to lay siege. It took Achilles a little longer to convince himself and the men he led that that the siege was the appropriate thing to do. He himself had to experience the loss that Agamemnon feels in order to speak to the gods about justice and the wisdom of a military expedition, which will no doubt lead to sorrow. The gods discus their involvement in the human affair. Many take sides and discover that there is a rift in the heavens similar to the one on earth below. The key difference is that the gods, “[...]sky-dwellers[...],” are feared and revered by the humans, and the humans are pitied or scorned by the gods, “[...]pack of mortals[...].” It is this difference in classes that shows that in attaining the status of hero, you may very well be misunderstood by the people. If the readers consider that the gods are not altogether forthcoming with their real motives towards humans, they will understand the special nature of the relationship. Superiority is the glory that gods possess, whereas the inferior humans can only hope, wish, or pray to dwell among the divine. In this wish, the idea of becoming a perfect model drives these Greeks to becomes something, not of this earth, for who is without any blemish? The religious of the ancient and modern world work to temper this desire to become divine in many ways, but there is no way that anyone can become a hero without losing part of his or her humanity in the process. The price of perfection is great. UserIdTAG: 1431431 UserNameTAG: NickBeorjn CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T21:58:11Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 203 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens,Greece! Hello from Athens,Greece! UserIdTAG: 1386494 UserNameTAG: GMalkotzoglou CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T21:17:05Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_KnowCohort NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hello from Greece also, come and join our group on facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/353368628101530/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T08:22:21Z IndexTAG: 204 TitleTAG: Fame or relax Hi, dialogic partners of the Semele cohort: My question here is about Achiles and his description as: "Here is a monolithic and fiercely uncompromising man who actively chooses violent death over life in order to win the glory of being remembered forever in epic poetry". What about nowadays culture? Many people prefers 5 minutes of glory in TV, for example, loosing his/her credibility forever due to the discourse they do. Does it continue to be the fame and glory the most important matter presently or in your societies people prefer anonimity for living more relaxed? Regards, Javier. UserIdTAG: 1145164 UserNameTAG: REBOM58 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T10:06:43Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Precisely, Achiles does not fit with my definition of a hero. A true hero may not expect a reward to his actions or sacrifice. I am afraid that the ancient greek definition is that a hero is just a man that might have some divine blood in his veins. To try answering your question, I think in nowadays that the vast majority of sane people('the silent majority') just strive at a relax life... having as much money as possible, not necessarely with glory. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 830835 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zacharie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T10:20:06Z SecondChildTAG: I don't think that looking at Achilles through a modern lens, especially one whose religious curvature is radically different, does justice to ancient contemporaries who obviously had a different standard for what constitutes 'herohood'. Considering the fact that there is ample reason to look at the Iliad as more of a total myth sheds more light on what the ancients considered the role of and expectations from a warrior, as well as what the warrior could expect from the fruits of their efforts. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 145656 SecondChildUserNameTAG: desertbob SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T13:00:05Z SecondChildTAG: I thing that Achilles was not looked for reward. As far as I know it was an honor to die one warrior in the war rather than old age. They was looked for the immortality through the glorious deeds. The kleos was that immortality...I thing so But I surely agree with desartbob that it is dangerous to interpret the meaning of "hero" using current models or anyway of synchrones purposes ... is likely to draw erroneous conclusions. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T23:53:54Z FirstChildTAG: Achilles didnt choose to die for some kind of reward. He had two options, to die in Troy and his name would win the glory(kleos) through a song or to come back ih his land and live also with glory but this glory would be a perishable one. Achilles didnt know what to do until the death of his lovely friend Patroklos. The exact moment when he decided to take revenge for the death of Patroklos, the same exact moment in the back of his head, subconscious, decided to die in Troy. My friend Zacharie, it doesnt matter if Achilles had divine blood from his mother. What made him a hero was his death not his deeds when he was alive. Many soldiers fought well in Troy and they won some glory and gold but we dont know their names because they came back in their homes without dying in the battlefield. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T12:45:53Z SecondChildTAG: Do you consider Ajax as a hero because he fought well and chose to die on a battlefield? Did Ajax have divine blood? How about Hector the Trojan? And can I ask you to name one so called greek hero that doesnot have divine blood? That would be enough for me to change my idea. Thx SecondChildUserIdTAG: 830835 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zacharie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T22:38:13Z SecondChildTAG: I think so that there was Agamemnon and Menelaus, heroes mythical but without divine blood. In my opinion there was heroes Ajax and Hector, because his exploits in the Trojan war placed them with the other heroes. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T00:11:08Z FirstChildTAG: Here in Spain there are some people specialized in speaking in TV, known as "tertulianos" (tertulians) commenting every news and creating the "official" opinion. They are in TV at every time getting a name (and earning a living at the same time). They are the most famous people in the country (apart politicians whom we can speak about). They are continuously arguing between them (without any conclusion). They try to win glory in each argument no minding the struggle matter. So, are the political arena or the media where nowadays can somebody win the kleos? In no way here it is the cultural or economical arena where the kleos may be involved. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1145164 FirstChildUserNameTAG: REBOM58 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T14:14:03Z FirstChildTAG: There are, of course, those who prefer anonymity, those who prefer glory, and those median folk, that just take life as it comes. Most of the Iliad's heroes seem to be painted as the second type, but I would speculate that this sort of behavior is created by the person we know as Homer to set a standard for heroism. These heroes were also grasping braggarts, not because they were pompous aristocrats, but because that is what was expected of a hero of that time. I tend to look at the Iliad/Odyssey and other writings to be extant simply because of their profound impact on history as moral/ethical/behavioral standards that members of the polis were expected to value and adhere to - an ancient polytheistic Bible, if you will, that at the time was held in as much reverence as modern testaments, no matter what ancient or modern religion has produced them. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 145656 FirstChildUserNameTAG: desertbob FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T15:01:35Z FirstChildTAG: I do not think that the ancient view of heroes included their entire person. Achilles was a hero for his fighting skill for to watch him fight would be like watching Michael Jordan play in his prime. We care little about his life beyond his basketball. And people all over the world have posters and cards with Jordan's likeness for his playing ability. Achilles was great and a hero because of his prowess with spear and shield. As Menelaus was great for being such a powerful king, and Odysseus for his thinking and mind. The rest of their lives are only remembered because they were already heroes and just backstory. My 2 cents. -reanis FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1425483 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Reanis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T18:24:46Z SecondChildTAG: Back in university I took a Greek literature class and one discussion we had was about how most of the heroes in the Iliad were in some way flawed in regards to honor. In the case of Achilles, it was how he was prone to anger, among other things, and how his treatment of Hector's corpse was dishonorable. The conclusion we arrived at in that discussion was that the only one in Iliad who didn't display some sort of flaw was Hector. That being said, I don't think seeking glory was one of Achilles's flaws, at least as far as what traditional Greek heroes were. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 984169 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MatiRosero SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T00:27:04Z IndexTAG: 205 TitleTAG: Semele group hello everybody from Greece, I am George and if u can read this post you're in the group of Semele. Good luck to all of you! UserIdTAG: 1280297 UserNameTAG: gnikiforou CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T08:01:14Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_KnowCohort NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Γειά σου gnikiforou και ευχαριστούμε πολύ !!! καλή τύχη και σε εσένα !!!! Greedings gnikiforou and than you a lot !!! good luck and to you !!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T23:17:14Z SecondChildTAG: i see too many boxes, did u write in greek? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T09:37:44Z FirstChildTAG: I live in Canada and am thrilled to be part of such a large international group, especially students in Greece. I hope to see some posts in Modern Greek so that I can understand from your perspective, too. (Διαβάζω λίγο αν και τα ελλήνικα μου είναι χάλια, χα χα. Θέλω να μάθω.) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1417955 FirstChildUserNameTAG: melissaofthebees FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T00:54:18Z FirstChildTAG: It would seem i am a part of this cohort Semele. I speak English and have no knowledge of the Greek language it seems lots of greece students are here, would like to discuss more in English if that's fine with you thank you. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914632 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Taska FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T02:51:48Z FirstChildTAG: I have not yet had an answer to a question I popsed some weeks ago: can speakers of 'modern' Greek, understand 'Homeric Greek,' without error, i.e. do their resonances, echo/repeat those of a Greek which has not been spoken for many years? I believe that this cannot be done in English. Shakjespeare has to be translated for many Englishmen, and at many points. Chaucer's 'whanne'is not our 'when.' Anglo-Saxon has to be learnt. And so it goes. In a language as 'alive' and 'resonant of meanings' as 'classical' Greek, there must be many ways of going wrong. I once met an Italian woman who told us that she cpild recite the whole of Dante;s 'Inferno,' and I never doubted it. But now I do? Language---like many other things---is an 'historical' artefact i.e. composed across the years, rather than---learned definitively once. wh FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 FirstChildUserNameTAG: whaskett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T14:53:08Z FirstChildTAG: dear whaskett, your last paragraph is quite accurate. For me, as a modern Greek is very difficult to understand the ancient language. Some words or some expressions, yes of course, but its so hard to get into the real meaning of a passage. The language spoken in 5th century is more easily to understand (not without any help) but the Homeric language of the 8th century is very difficult for us. Have in mind that the Homeric language is an epic poetry using a special form called ''*dactylic hexameter*'' with long and short syllables. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-13T09:02:28Z IndexTAG: 206 TitleTAG: Group Cohorts Hi everyone in Semele. If you can see this post, it looks like you are in the Semele cohort. I cannot be sure, but I believe that if you post in the general category, anyone from any cohort can see the post. When you create new post about "Get to Know Your Cohort," only members of our cohort can see that information. I am going to post the above to the general thread as well (without the first two sentences) and see if anyone corrects me. My next post in this group will be more of my introduction. I hope everyone is as excited as I am about this course. UserIdTAG: 1323780 UserNameTAG: anwear CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:04:15Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_KnowCohort NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Only students in your cohort can see your posts. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:06:25Z SecondChildTAG: ... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1295294 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gianniszi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T19:33:46Z FirstChildTAG: Excited is an understatement:)I am loving it already. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914632 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Taska FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T02:55:57Z SecondChildTAG: ... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1295294 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gianniszi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T19:33:58Z SecondChildTAG: ... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1295294 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gianniszi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T19:35:13Z IndexTAG: 207 TitleTAG: Hello from Maryland I'm looking forward to the class. UserIdTAG: 932208 UserNameTAG: bikemd CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T00:54:08Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_KnowCohort NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 208 TitleTAG: Who is in the cohort Semele? I think we were allspread in "cohorts" but Semele seems silent to me. I can see only 2 posts... Participation seems to be a part a the final grade though. Anyway i am glad to be affiliated o that great name! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semele By the way, I am not a facebook user and I will not be. Hope to hearing from you soon 'Semelees'! UserIdTAG: 830835 UserNameTAG: Zacharie CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T00:33:52Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 7 FirstChildTAG: Hello Zacharie, I am in Semele's group too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1226943 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mvns FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T01:39:11Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Zacharie, when I view the forum as a Semele participant I see many, many posts. Do you have a filter on? Can you try to click on Show All Discussions? See the screenshot below. Best, Claudia ![enter image description here][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13631377611343612.png FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T01:22:56Z SecondChildTAG: my screenshot is not like yours, the tab 'show' does not appear SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T07:52:08Z SecondChildTAG: my screen is also void of the tab 'show' right now ![what I see][1] [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13631742941343605.jpg SecondChildUserIdTAG: 837087 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KomaInu SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T11:34:12Z SecondChildTAG: Our tabs will not have that as it looks to be an admin function. We can switch what we are looking at by clicking on the "Show All Discussions" button and switching. The "Show" looks like a function to allow admins to switch groups. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1323780 SecondChildUserNameTAG: anwear SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T17:43:23Z FirstChildTAG: I was moved from another cohort to Semele overnight. Well, hello to everyone and I hope we all do well. It seems quiet here compared to my last group. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 891159 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kelsomar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T18:26:05Z SecondChildTAG: Greedings Kelsomar from Greece and welcome !!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T23:18:46Z FirstChildTAG: Sorry I still dont get it Claudia, but thanks or answering If I do show all discussions, it means that it displays our cohort's plus the general post from the staff et al. I think to display only our cohort's we have ro select 'get to know your cohort', right? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 830835 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zacharie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T00:49:28Z FirstChildTAG: I have a strong tendency to test myself. After learning about the online learning "experiment" being conducted by the major universities, I joined. The topic seemed much more interesting than electric circuits and some of the technical courses. So here I am ,trying to be an online learning hero! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914386 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hudsonswimmer FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T01:25:28Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone !!! my name is Nefeli (in greek Νεφέλη, and by the way my name represents a ancient greek goddess, check it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephele. I just read it !!!). So, you can call me Nefeli! I am 22 years old and I am married and I have a son. I live in a small town 9(Volos) in Greece. I am studing Archaeology in the University of Thessaly and I am very happy with this class. Anything can offers you usefull knowledge. I have started to reading the soursebook and I find very interesting all about hero. And I am very happy seeing the original passages of the texts of Iliad for example. I am thrilled about this course and I am waiting for discussion...!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T23:34:04Z FirstChildTAG: hi everyone :) my name is Paul. I'm 21 and an engineering student as well. I joined this course because of my natural interest to read books and stuff like greek legends and write-ups. Anyways, I'm pleased to be part of this group and thanks btw to ClaudiaFilos for making this cohort stuff clearer to me. The "show all" does work...try hope to keep posted... Ps : If any of you interest in facebook mines Paul Acidre..I don't use twitter or any other social network. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1346449 FirstChildUserNameTAG: paulacidre FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T18:32:55Z SecondChildTAG: Hi everyone! I'm Matilde, I'm 36, Costa Rican and I work as a print and web designer. I've had an interest in Ancient Greece since I was a little girl, which sadly I have not had as much of a chance to satisfy as I would have liked (I took a few classes in university and read up on Greek mythology on my own, but that was about it), so I jumped at the chance to sign up for this course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 984169 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MatiRosero SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T01:21:18Z IndexTAG: 209 TitleTAG: Could somebody help me? I have just registered, but I have realized that I registered with a wrong mail, and I can not activate my account, what should I do? Greetings from México UserIdTAG: 1369063 UserNameTAG: Manuel1124599 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T01:12:50Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Maybe you can send an e-mail to technical@edx.org explaining what happened (or go to https://www.edx.org/contact. Saludos FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1367442 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Paumax FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T01:20:29Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Manuel1124599, You'll need to re-register with edX. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T03:38:55Z IndexTAG: 210 TitleTAG: Boa noite from Portugal ! the possibility to share points of view on this subject with people from all over the world seems a very interesting and totally new experience of education. Looking forward to start the course! UserIdTAG: 1367382 UserNameTAG: Teresa9 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T19:47:59Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Great an another Portuguese!! Viva! e boa noite! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1320351 FirstChildUserNameTAG: David-Vincent FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T22:02:03Z FirstChildTAG: Awsome!! Não pensava que ia encontrar tanta gente de Portugal aqui! Boa sorte para todos! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1358050 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Linkoolica FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T22:32:34Z FirstChildTAG: Good afternoon ! I am brazilian from Cuiabá - Mato Grosso. Great to have other portuguese speaking fellows. Good course for everyone. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 765951 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sejopoles FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T20:37:27Z FirstChildTAG: Boa tarde! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897389 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Bronstein7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T02:09:04Z FirstChildTAG: olá a todos, sou o Tiago, de Lisboa. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 616236 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mensageiro FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T04:57:07Z IndexTAG: 211 TitleTAG: Iliad readings - is a Scroll the same as a Book or Chapter? As I already have a paper copy of the Iliad (Fagles Translation) I shall mainly use that rather than viewing on-line, and I am also preparing in parallel for a Coursera course "The Ancient Greeks" which also kicks off with reading some parts of the Iliad on March 18th. As the sourcebook material isn't there yet for this course so I can compare them for myself directly, can you please tell me if a scroll is the same as the 24 Books my paper copy is divided into? I assume so, but just wanted to check. Thanks! UserIdTAG: 1287387 UserNameTAG: Beth5706 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T15:56:33Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi, I'm also taking the Coursera course. A scroll is the same as a book. Since there were no books in ancient times the Iliad and the Odyssey were both divided into 24 scrolls each. The sourcebook for our class is using the Butler translations for Homer. These were published at the end of the 19th century. If you google Harvard Extension you can go to Harvard's website. Just look for the 2012-2013 class schedule for the extension school and you will find Professor Nagy's class. The website has the sourcebook. It also has the Ancient Greek Hero in 24hrs book. An updated version of the latter book will be on our site by the end of the week. We have to read this book especially because Professor Nagy has retranslated a large number of specific texts from the sourcebook. I imagine the sourcebook will remain largely the same for our class,though I won't know for sure until it is put on our site. I'm sure we can download them to our computers, laptops, kindles, etc. I hope this was helpful. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240847 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobinchicago FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T17:30:13Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Bob I am a Brit but lived in Chicago for 16 months quite recently and loved the city so lucky you! I know what scrolls are, and I think they were rather referred to as papyrus rolls rather than scrolls. My question was rather more subtle as I wanted to know what, perhaps, arbitrarily defined historical difference might exist between the discovered rolls and our current books or chapters, given that Homer was an oral poet, and his work was largely transcribed after his time. I used Nagles, as his was required (for the Odyssey) for the excellent Greek and Roman Mythology course of Coursera by Penn State before Christmas, and whilst I had a few problems with the translation, mainly due to modern Americanisms and grammar in the English, I loved the flow. We shall see whether this course lives up to my. Past and current expectations, Harvard or not! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287387 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Beth5706 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T22:21:58Z SecondChildTAG: Hi bobinchicago, Actually, the Sourcebook at that link is out of date. The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours is mostly up to date, albeit incomplete. Both will be available in newest, most updated form here on the course website within just a few days. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 615718 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T03:40:36Z FirstChildTAG: If it weren't the same in content, well, it would be a shame. But the translations may quite differ in the details. The discussion will run about the Sourcebook that will be published here. In the 19th Century, people didn't know about some grammatical features of Old Greek that were understood during the 20th Century. If significant differences occur betweeen Butler and Fagles, you may want to consult the Perseus Library ( perseus.tufts.edu/hopper ). Based on the discussions, Syllabus and Advice for Students to date, the Sourcebook changes Butler's text to the close translation of Professor Nagy at the verses that are to be close read and analysed during the course. This actually substitutes your own translation work in a regular Classics course. And the Sourcebook contains not only the Iliad and the Odyssey, but other texts and excerpts as well. On the other hand, to familiarize myself with the story, I began to read Ilias in my mothertongue, knowing, that in order to be able to take part in the discussion, I have to read the official text in the Sourcebook too. p.s. the name of it is Song in my mothertongue, and there is 24 of it, here too, in the other corner of the world. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T20:08:22Z SecondChildTAG: What is your mother tongue? And/or your native country if different? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287387 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Beth5706 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T23:16:49Z SecondChildTAG: Hungarian / Hungary SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T17:29:06Z FirstChildTAG: Scroll, book, chapter, song - they all are interesting translations! In greek language we call each chapter rhapsody (ραψωδία). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1330309 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maria_nizamidou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T10:48:44Z SecondChildTAG: That's beautiful, and so apt! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287387 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Beth5706 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T13:06:40Z IndexTAG: 212 TitleTAG: HELLO FROM KALAMATA GREECE HELLO FROM KALAMATA ,GREECE! UserIdTAG: 1365399 UserNameTAG: EFIKYR CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T15:26:15Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: *Γεια σου Εφη *hello efi FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1366103 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kwnstantinoss FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T17:19:30Z SecondChildTAG: Zdraveti Love your Olives SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896480 SecondChildUserNameTAG: STKyng SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T05:17:43Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Verona, we're hoping to visit your area this summer - in the meantime maybe I'll learn more about it.... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1138182 SecondChildUserNameTAG: annemp SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T10:32:02Z SecondChildTAG: Ηello Efi. Ι' m very glad that you are among us. How did you find the course and Nagy? Isn't he great ? Cordially Panagiotis from the beautigul and shining Athens. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1314648 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 9-0 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T09:44:16Z FirstChildTAG: υπάρχει και γκρουπ στο facebook για τους Έλληνες https://www.facebook.com/groups/edx.greece/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T08:53:22Z IndexTAG: 213 TitleTAG: Hello from Turkey! Hi everyone, I am so excited to discover the greek literature with contributers all around the world. Best wishes from Turkey.. UserIdTAG: 823494 UserNameTAG: Anrebna CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T09:45:13Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hello, greetings from greece FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1336070 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ioannoula19 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T12:32:35Z IndexTAG: 214 TitleTAG: Hello. Bonjour. Hola. Ciao. Hi hi Heard about this through 'the grapevine' and am hoping for some great, constructive knowledge building. I'm a Roman history lover and I figured, in a sense, they took all they knew from the Greeks so I look forward to this! Cheers all. UserIdTAG: 1362971 UserNameTAG: gtonk852 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T07:14:00Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hi What is 'the grapevine'? katya ( boston ,USA) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1311236 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Katyaso FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T12:16:25Z SecondChildTAG: ha ha. just an expression. generally speaking, it means by word of mouth. I was told about edx.org from a co-worker. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1362971 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gtonk852 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T04:04:51Z IndexTAG: 215 TitleTAG: "The unexamined life is not worth living" I hope we'll all enjoy the ride. Greatings to all co-explorers. Persefone, Thrace, Northern Greece UserIdTAG: 1343062 UserNameTAG: Persefone3 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:35:27Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: well said! Boston, Massachusetts, USA FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1311236 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Katyaso FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T12:08:39Z SecondChildTAG: The converse is also true—the unlived life is not worth examining. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 951151 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GMcCully SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:18:04Z FirstChildTAG: What a wonderful global community of which to be a part! Greetings Boston and Thrace, from Roanoke, Virginia, USA! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1156112 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bscott FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T23:48:48Z IndexTAG: 216 TitleTAG: Hello Hi from Beaumont Alberta Canada UserIdTAG: 1178160 UserNameTAG: PMKobly CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T16:59:45Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Boston, Ma, USA FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1311236 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Katyaso FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T12:09:56Z IndexTAG: 217 TitleTAG: Hello Hello from El Salvador UserIdTAG: 1358291 UserNameTAG: Athena13 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T15:58:31Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 218 TitleTAG: Hello from Indonesia Hi everybody nice to meet you....I am Agus from Indonesia UserIdTAG: 914468 UserNameTAG: kurniawan6883 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T12:01:18Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: hi FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1065618 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Merter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T15:25:45Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, Agus... Seneng bisa ketemu orang Indonesia di sini ^.^ Aku Yuslita, salam kenal... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 917860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: javandromeda FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T09:41:42Z FirstChildTAG: Salam kenal Agus, Merter n Yuslita...akhirnya ada juga yg dari Indonesia ^.^ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 964025 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Xuehoa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T13:29:43Z IndexTAG: 219 TitleTAG: introduction Hello professor, as a native greek i have been taught some of these texts and i am really fascinated to do it in another language. Καλή μας τύχη ! (good luck to all of us!) UserIdTAG: 1356639 UserNameTAG: elissavetsik CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T11:40:31Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: It's extra cool to have Greeks onboard! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1230416 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ccsysd05 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T11:51:19Z IndexTAG: 220 TitleTAG: Hello from Canada! Χαιρετισμούς από Καναδά! I'm very excited to begin this course. Hopefully, this is the first of many. :-) UserIdTAG: 1354647 UserNameTAG: PlatosRepublic CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T04:41:58Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello Platos , I am George from Greece , I can see that you are full of petrol(energy)!!!! I am exited too but It is my first time which I watch something like this in English. Have you done this before? Best, George FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294932 FirstChildUserNameTAG: george05gr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T11:34:34Z SecondChildTAG: I'm brand new to EdX! I have taught regular classes before, though. Writing from the US. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1230416 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ccsysd05 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T11:50:41Z FirstChildTAG: Hello guys, My name is Christine and I'm from Greece too. Happy to see many Greek students starting forums and creating study groups. George I have just finished another free online course created by Edinburg's University and I must say I'm thrilled. I hope this course will be as fascinating as the other one! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1304373 FirstChildUserNameTAG: christinatzoum FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T22:11:01Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Cristine ,You have the experience of online course,good! Your advice will be useful! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1294932 SecondChildUserNameTAG: george05gr SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T09:23:47Z IndexTAG: 221 TitleTAG: Hola from Perú I'm peruvian and I'm studying Law. I´m pretty sure that this course will be interesting. Thanks you for the opportunity of acquire more knowledge. UserIdTAG: 1353068 UserNameTAG: DesireB20 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T01:48:11Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 222 TitleTAG: Are the books already available for downloading? Good evening from the University of Crete, Greece. Are the Sourcebook and the h24h book already available for downloading? If so, where exactly? Thank you in advance. UserIdTAG: 1348506 UserNameTAG: ChristinaKas CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T20:47:12Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi ChristinaKas, they aren't up yet but we are working to get them up as soon as possible! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T22:25:47Z SecondChildTAG: May Athena guide your hand and speed your progress, Claudia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1230416 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ccsysd05 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T12:13:49Z FirstChildTAG: Hi ChristinaKas, The "Course Info" page has just been updated to reflect the status of the books. As we've previously noted, these texts are being revised and updated specifically for your use. They should now be available before the end of this week. Once posted, they will be accessible from the primary navigation bar at the top of the page. Please stay tuned to the "Course Info" page for more on this and other updates and announcements about the course! Thank you very much for your patience and your participation! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T01:02:16Z IndexTAG: 223 TitleTAG: Re. Jessica:The pace of life Great comment Jessica. I am Angela Chamosfakidis, a Greek-Canadian. My thoughts on the pace of life are that it is a concept that is influenced both by culture/environment/history as well as by personal characteristics...Also, people may effectively function at a fast pace in certain areas of their life and savor each moment of other parts of daily life. To read, to fully comprehend, to pause and admire the logic behind certain concepts is the magic of philology. The actual definition of the word philology means "to love the word". You take your time not because you have to or because someone told you so, but it is the text that requires you do so… (I would have posted this as a reply to your message but for some reason the “Submit” button doesn’t work…) Regards UserIdTAG: 1345994 UserNameTAG: AngelaCh CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T15:47:19Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Thank you Angela and Jessica for your thoughts on the pace of life. I am Laura Barbieri, an Italian/Canadian,having lived in Italy and Canada I was able to experiment the different pace of life in both these countries. I like them both even if they are very different: everyone is meaningful in its on way. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 990648 FirstChildUserNameTAG: laurabi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T17:26:09Z SecondChildTAG: You're welcome, Laura! Please if you have time tell me a little bit about your life, whether in Italy or Canada! I am very much interested in learning about how people live in different kinds of environments. Is Canada and Italy's standards of living different? If yes how so? Thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1236629 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jessica_Funa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T16:57:59Z IndexTAG: 224 TitleTAG: Thank you! What a wonderful opportunity! I can hardly wait to connect with so many people and discuss concepts that may be referred to as ancient but are also timeless and contemporary. In a time of crisis in Greece this course is of incredible value. Thank you UserIdTAG: 1345994 UserNameTAG: AngelaCh CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T14:37:39Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: It is fun to read history and more fun when it is Greek's history. Looking forward for this course FirstChildUserIdTAG: 76568 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sanusib FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T15:07:22Z IndexTAG: 225 TitleTAG: ΧΑΙΡΕΤΕ! Greetings to all ancient greek culture's funs! I am very happy to share the enthousiasm of approaching the greek culture with all of you! Looking forward for the courses to start! (A greek friend) UserIdTAG: 1345499 UserNameTAG: lakostas CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T12:20:41Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 226 TitleTAG: good morning from the rainy Thessaloniki,Greece 10 days to go... UserIdTAG: 1213914 UserNameTAG: hatzi1691 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T10:30:33Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 227 TitleTAG: Hola from Barcelona! I'm from Barcelona (Spain) and I'm studying Archeology, I hope this course will help me with my studies. This course is a great idea! Thank you! UserIdTAG: 1251970 UserNameTAG: AngelesCQ CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T09:11:35Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 228 TitleTAG: Greetings from Greece, Athens, Vrilissia suburb. Happy to start this course with fellow students all over the world. UserIdTAG: 1343035 UserNameTAG: Effrossyni-Efi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T06:54:03Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Good morning from Glyfada Athens. I am excited!!!! I cant wait. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342804 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CharisKom FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T08:24:39Z FirstChildTAG: Hello fellow Greeks, thank you for your extraordinary culture!!! I am from Colombia South America. I am living in Miami USA. I love Greek culture. This is my e-mail: libardoangarita@gmail.com FirstChildUserIdTAG: 968112 FirstChildUserNameTAG: libardoangarita FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T01:38:21Z IndexTAG: 229 TitleTAG: Anyone else from London, Ontario, Canada? Hoping I'm not the only one. Dave Mann UserIdTAG: 936089 UserNameTAG: DMannIT CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T04:32:42Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I'm close - Toronto. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897899 FirstChildUserNameTAG: WWilson FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T17:43:03Z SecondChildTAG: richmond hill SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1491663 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LThain SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-28T03:10:20Z FirstChildTAG: Even closer - Hamilton. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277016 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bond220 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T21:03:31Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Dave...All my ancestral family lives in London. I am a 6th generation Canadian and my grandparents lived at 87 Oxford St. West....now demolished. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 920384 SecondChildUserNameTAG: justmary SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T16:36:50Z IndexTAG: 230 TitleTAG: Takoma Park Support Group DC area: We are forming a support group for this course at the Takoma Park Maryland Library. We plan to meet on Sunday afternoons. More information next week. We plan to meet on Sundays at 12:30 starting in April. We have about 9 participants so far. We hope to have the assistance of classics students from one of the neighboring universities. Please call 301-891-7259 for more information. UserIdTAG: 1342618 UserNameTAG: TakomaWren CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T00:46:30Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I am interested, what's the address of the library? Thanks. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1374902 FirstChildUserNameTAG: 1stname FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T18:15:05Z SecondChildTAG: 101 Philadelphia Avenue, Takoma Park MD About 4 blocks from the DC red line Takoma atation. 301 891 7259 (no voice mail, works only when the library is open). We plan to meet for an hour or so on Sunday afternoons, but aren't sure of the exact time yet. Please give us some contact info at tinyurl.com/tpheroessupport and we will get in touch with everyone within the next day or so. So far we have 8 people including two library staff members. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1342618 SecondChildUserNameTAG: TakomaWren SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T15:23:55Z IndexTAG: 231 TitleTAG: Greetings from Panama I always love Greek civilization and literature. i can't wait for the begin of this course. Saludos desde Panamá!! UserIdTAG: 1077441 UserNameTAG: opineda CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T14:26:12Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Russia) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342395 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DariaMaleva FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T19:00:59Z IndexTAG: 232 TitleTAG: Greetings Cohort I cant wait to get started--this should be a great course. I'll enjoy sharing ideas, or more especially, learning from all of you, as well as the professor. Isabelle from the United States UserIdTAG: 990595 UserNameTAG: iflemming CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:12:38Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Isabel, greetings from Miami FirstChildUserIdTAG: 968112 FirstChildUserNameTAG: libardoangarita FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T01:44:45Z SecondChildTAG: libardoangarita@gmail.com SecondChildUserIdTAG: 968112 SecondChildUserNameTAG: libardoangarita SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T01:45:11Z IndexTAG: 233 TitleTAG: Lebanon - Local Group? There are so far according to the map just posted 23 of us registered in Lebanon. How about forming a local support group? I have managed to find three of you so far and left messages suggesting we meet some time before the class begins. Perhaps we could have our own discussion page (Facebook or such?) and even meet a couple of times a month? What do you all think? UserIdTAG: 1305857 UserNameTAG: bprescott-decie CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T10:34:18Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Let me know if you form a group, and I can include it in an upcoming email/post to all students. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T17:15:48Z SecondChildTAG: :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T05:41:00Z SecondChildTAG: We haven't had much response. One contacted me but turns out to be in S. Sudan (*from* Lebanon rather than *in* Lebanon! - I must read closely in future!!!!!_) and I and one more are about 20 meters apart along the corridor, so will be working together anyway. If we don't get more reaction, we will leave it at that. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T19:17:36Z IndexTAG: 234 TitleTAG: Hello from Cape Town, South Africa I have always loved the Greek myths, and was thrilled to find the HarvardX course online. I look forward to the 'slow' reading and company of lecturers and fellow students. Lisa UserIdTAG: 1337213 UserNameTAG: shipspotterCT CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T06:19:18Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Lisa welkom hier FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1358691 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Etienne12345 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T16:13:56Z IndexTAG: 235 TitleTAG: Greetings from Philippines Mabuhay!! I am so excited to learn more about the Ancient Greek Hero and though I only have a little background. It is a challenge to study and I must say read more about it. A good day to you all!! God bless!! :) UserIdTAG: 1336424 UserNameTAG: shrbt CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:33:00Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 236 TitleTAG: HEROIC FILMS Good morning everyone and good month!! Let’s talk about movies with heroic content!! Which movie is your favorite one??? I could mention many epic films and series that I‘ve watched but I can’t help referring to the one that I was lectured about at the university, by one teacher who actually helped the production with his knowledge about ancient heroes. The film is called “I am a legend” and the protagonist, Will Smith, was guided how to look more heroic. I remember our teacher told us that he quarreled with the production about the weapons of the protagonist. They thought that if they equipped him with every available, latest technology armament it would be great! But this teacher consulted them that one weapon is enough! Just like Hercules had his club, Achilles his unique shield made by god Ifaistos, etc. Happily they agreed and as you can see in the movie, Will Smith uses only one gun. I think it’s a great film, although it is science fiction (not my favorite kind) it has a great deal of heroic content without exaggerating, which is hard to find in this kind of films! UserIdTAG: 1325569 UserNameTAG: sofiakam CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T10:55:21Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Impossible to name a favourite when so many films and heroes come to mind... OK, I'll name one, to start with: GUIDO OREFICE, portrayed by Roberto Begnini, in LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL! (1997) *A Jewish man has a wonderful romance with the help of his humour, but must use that same quality to protect his son in a Nazi death camp.* FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T11:56:17Z SecondChildTAG: That's interesting, I hadn't thought of that character as falling into the "hero" category, per se. But I can see that it's right, especially since I remember that, when watching it, I had a lasting sense of disbelief when the character was killed. I remember thinking to myself, "No, he can't die!" because he seemed so magical. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1322199 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Kistee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T17:19:37Z SecondChildTAG: I wonder whether circumstances sometimes create heroes. War, in particular, certainly drives perfectly "normal" people to rise above themselves, doing extraordinary feats and displaying te most wonderful qualities of courage and resilience. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T04:17:04Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:04:55Z FirstChildTAG: I can't remember if I saw "I Am Legend," but speaking of Will Smith, he played another hero in "Hancock." I enjoyed that movie a lot, and now I realize that there is a lot of comic potential in the 'hero' motif, isn't there? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1322199 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kistee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T17:25:04Z SecondChildTAG: The one thing tyrants can't stand is being ridiculed - it reduces their power to naught. So yes, humour is a great quality for a hero. It is often the weapon of the physically or socially weak, and can be so moving and exhilarating. Think of Charlie Chaplin, another great film hero! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T04:21:07Z FirstChildTAG: Another nomination, more in the traditional sense of a hero: Harold Abrahams and Eric Liddle in "Chariots of Fire". Even more traditional: a hero who is physically and morally good, experiences life-endangering situations (actually confronting death all the time for the sake of justice), who constantly does the right thing and even manages to have a great love affair: Robin Hood! I think the common denominator of heroes through all times might be that they are inspiring role models. We wish we could be like them in similar circumstances and draw lessons from their feats for our own lives. Major qualities: courage, sense of justice, readiness to sacrifice oneself, resilience, loyalty, intelligence, ability to love. All of this is nothing if it isn't combined with a life-threatening situation of war and/or injustice. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T04:27:11Z IndexTAG: 237 TitleTAG: konstantina καλημέρα (goodmorning) σε όλο τον πλανήτη (worldwide) από την ηλιόλουστη ελλάδα (from the sunny Greece) UserIdTAG: 1276114 UserNameTAG: kopitsa CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T06:15:39Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Goodmorning Konstantina, I am Evangelia from Tirnavos Greece!!! Χαιρετίσματα means greetings FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T06:35:07Z SecondChildTAG: Goodmorning everyone...I am ioanna from eretria,Greece. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1334835 SecondChildUserNameTAG: zana1993 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T08:41:12Z SecondChildTAG: Goodmorning ! I am Haris , greetings from Thessaloniki Greece! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1335253 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HarisGiann SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T10:26:13Z SecondChildTAG: Goodmorning and greetings i am Themis from Nijmegen, Netherlands. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1335183 SecondChildUserNameTAG: TZisis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T10:33:16Z SecondChildTAG: Hello everyone! I'm Theodora from Pelion! Quite exciting the fact that there is so much participation in the course from all over the world, isn't it? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1335306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Theodorakrv SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T10:34:11Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from rainy Heraklion... I am George Vistakis, I am also student at Hellenic Open University, attending European studies course. Hope that this exciting course will be only our first step to ancient knowledge... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1345917 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GeorgeVistakis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T13:18:24Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:04:26Z IndexTAG: 238 TitleTAG: Greetings from Montreal, Canada Hi everyone, I am very excited to start this class, which is about a topic captivated my interest about a year ago. I have recently taken a few classes on Italian poetry, antique and medieval, and the great amount of references to Greek Antiquity astonished me. I have also taken a few humanities courses where we discussed Plato's dialogues. From this class, I am expecting a better understanding and analysis of this important period and the great heroes that are still famous in our days. - T UserIdTAG: 1277972 UserNameTAG: tmitre CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T05:22:33Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:04:09Z IndexTAG: 239 TitleTAG: Hello from Nottingham, UK! I have no experience of studying Greek History at all so I'm really looking forward to being introduced to something new (or should that be old..?) Can't wait to get started! UserIdTAG: 364966 UserNameTAG: LauraFidd CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T04:34:26Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Same here. Blissfully ignorant about greek concepts of heroes, but eager to have something to discuss afterwards. I hail from the "great" state of Florida in the US of A FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1334579 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jonatha FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T07:33:45Z SecondChildTAG: hi there!!we are all excited about the course..good mornong from greece! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1334640 SecondChildUserNameTAG: afrodite SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T07:42:07Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:04:16Z IndexTAG: 240 TitleTAG: Hi from Ottawa Hi everyone, I look forward to reading Greek classics sharing ideas with all of you :-) UserIdTAG: 820722 UserNameTAG: dpvukovic CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T00:44:42Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: A bit late but cheers, from Ottawa as well. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1248477 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DanielJosephy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T03:55:08Z IndexTAG: 241 TitleTAG: Greetings from Thessaloniki Hello all! I'm Victoria and I' m looking forward for the course. I' m expecting some great conversations here about Greek heroes! UserIdTAG: 1331800 UserNameTAG: vic_l CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T19:16:28Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:03:00Z IndexTAG: 242 TitleTAG: Linux? Anybody else using Linux out there? It would be good to confirm that everything works properly as I don't really want to have to reboot into Windows every time I want to look at something in the course... So far I have the following: - Discussion and everything else on the edx website works fine (including Ancient Greek using UTF-8 and appropriate fonts (Cardo etc), just like UTF-8 in Perseus and elsewhere. No problem. - The two texts mentioned as extra reading (Achilles, Pindar) read fine in the SGreek/Win version if you first install the SGreek fonts as per instructions. Get the Mac version - it's a zip file and therefore easy to unpack. The fonts are shareware, $20 - no problem here; happy to pay. Avoid Ismini - it's broken in the public .ttf versions and produces strange mis-spellings! - There's a [link][1] to Prof Nagy reciting Anc. Greek on his archived course page with .mov files - I don't seem to be able to read the codecs. Anybody got a suggestion as to what codec I'm missing? It's probably not significant but we don't know what format the lectures will be in yet... [1]: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~classics/poetry_and_prose/homer/homer.html "link" UserIdTAG: 1305857 UserNameTAG: bprescott-decie CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T13:10:06Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Um your having problems with linux ,I have a linux computer but I havent tried to access anything from it ,so far though I found linux to open formats my windows could never even recognize ,but about the text I havent really given them thought after I saw the iliad and the odessey make up a large part ,and I have 'read' them ,but not as deeply as id like ,so i do have them already and theyre available online so I just thought i could get the rest somewhere easily if the site gives any trouble .About the .mov files ,wouldnt firefox still be able to install quicktime if thats the problem ,I really dont know ,I cant play it on my windows so clearly im missing it too ,sorry I couldnt be of more help . FirstChildUserIdTAG: 20186 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vikashx1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T14:59:46Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for the thought - yes I'll install clunky old Quicktime! That should do it. As for online versions of Homer, it's not a major issue because the texts will all be in the source book. Reading ahead, it seems that the text of the Iliad at least is not exactly Butler; rather it is Butler with editing by Prof. Nagy wherever Butler's rather literary version needs to be closer to the original, or more precisely translated, so I shall be using Prof. Nagy's version which is PDF so no problem. For Greek versions I shall either use Perseus or texts from my library, so again no problem. So far as I can see, the site gives no trouble at all, then, which is great news. If either of us (or anybody else using Linux runs into any difficulties, we can always post in this thread! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T15:24:19Z IndexTAG: 243 TitleTAG: From the North...Well not that North Doug here, from Stouffville, Ontario. The snow is still coming down and hopefully I will be able to make it to work tomorrow. I noticed EdX a while ago and monitored for something that would peak my interest. I'm an old school tech, which means I know what an acoustic coupler is, and if you don't then google it. Yes, I am an old geek. Above all else, I am a writer who is looking at honing their skill. The study of the Ancient Greek Hero will help me understand writing all that much more, and expand my foundations in writing much more, and beyond my comfort zone. Between a full time job, completing the last rewrites of my next book, writing two more books, taking a writers course, editing other writers works, writing for Self Publishing Magazine and trying to have a life, I will be attempting to be a contributing member in this course. I would like to add, we are all here to learn (well at least I know that is why I'm here). We should be supportive to each other, offering sentiments opinions as we can and support one another. Hopefully we are all supportive people, and not negative. Know more about me by visiting my site, [Life is but a Blog][1]. If you need to talk or bounce ideas off me feel free to shoot a post to me and I will do my best to get back to you. Regards, Doug [1]: http://daowen.ca UserIdTAG: 192195 UserNameTAG: daowen CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T03:01:44Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 244 TitleTAG: Hello from Costa Rica Hi! I'm Isis and this will be my second course here! I'm so excited! Let's do our best UserIdTAG: 1018933 UserNameTAG: IsisN CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T21:32:09Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hola Isis! Soy de CR también. Podría ser una buena idea ponernos en contacto. Saludos!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1354690 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JoseEnrique FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T02:29:01Z FirstChildTAG: Yo soy de Costa Rica también. Un saludo a ambos. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1254590 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Dalabulu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T15:31:08Z IndexTAG: 245 TitleTAG: "Γνώθι Σαυτόν" in gold plated letters Hi everyone, Nikos from Athens, happy to be here with all of you. We share something very important, we are all seeking the path to the light our ancient fathers illuminated for us. Good luck in finding it! UserIdTAG: 1321015 UserNameTAG: nlambridis CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T12:29:24Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 246 TitleTAG: Greetings from SIngapore! Saw this interesting looking course from reddit, seems to be the perfect claas about the history/stories that i always wanted to learn about. will be looking forward to this. thank you everyone who worked hard to bring this to us, the international audience! UserIdTAG: 1321566 UserNameTAG: asceansion CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T12:08:08Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi. I'm in Batam, Indonesia; so not too far away from you. Which subreddit did you see this on? I found out about edX through Eric Lander's AMA. I signed up for the biology course, and then a few others (including this one) too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1316233 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Yossarian42 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T16:11:56Z IndexTAG: 247 TitleTAG: Hello from Ecuador! Sixteen years old student, excited about the Ancient Greek Hero course, book and philosophy lover. Regards! UserIdTAG: 1320419 UserNameTAG: Adriano97 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T08:42:59Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 248 TitleTAG: Hola! So excited!I hope to learn a lot... UserIdTAG: 1318979 UserNameTAG: VernaDominguez CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T02:34:45Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 249 TitleTAG: A NEW GREEK HERO! Hi I am from Athens, Greece! I hope this journey is as interesting asit sounds! UserIdTAG: 1318341 UserNameTAG: ellifan2 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T01:02:10Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Istanbul! I am sure this course will be very inspiring and I am already excited about it. Thank you for all who provided us with this opportunity. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1321846 FirstChildUserNameTAG: idil1289 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T13:41:10Z IndexTAG: 250 TitleTAG: Greeting from Serbia ! :) Greetings friends! I will introduce my self the best I can and tell something of my previous knowledge about greek ,beware its going to be a novel ^.^. I will start with my name,My name is Vojin Milojkovic I am from Serbia,I`m 19 years old I am going to art academy. Learning about Greek culture is not new for me,from elementary we were focused learning from Aegean cultures to Hellenic Greece,now on academy I am learning more and we are focused on details,from top six artist of Greek age to knowing by heart all parts of Greek temple to vase painting,but we were never that focused on background that inspired them to create vast world of mythology and heroes,but I know that Greek art was greatly inspired by gods and heroes.In classic era artist bring closer the gods and humans to gods,artist like polykleitos leveled sport victories with victories of the gods so the winner is made a hero,not to mention victories in battles.That is visible in art but I am hopping to learn more of what lies in the background ... year ago I read pretty big book about greek most famous myths but I was kinda shocked how grim and scary some of the myths could be or in the way some heroes in the end died so that could be one of the reasons I am here, to understand what I have read back than.One of the reasons are increasing my usage of english language and learning even more,I am sure I am making mistakes even when writing this post..If I saw it good this course is not only focused on mythology but its about rich culture of ancient Greece,than I know well yet I am hoping I will meet people and expand my knowledge, and use it in my future art as way of inspiration for further development... ^.^ UserIdTAG: 1290633 UserNameTAG: Vojin CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T00:58:04Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Vojin! I'm Dunja from Belgrade. It's nice to find a fellow Serbian here. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1452441 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DouniaEllena FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T00:05:24Z IndexTAG: 251 TitleTAG: Greetings from Loytraki_Greece! Hope we all love this course! I am really excited and impatient! UserIdTAG: 1317535 UserNameTAG: Anna_Efthimiadoy CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T21:09:03Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Χαιρετίσματα από Θεσσαλονίκη Greetings from Thessaloniki :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1320480 FirstChildUserNameTAG: annie1988 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T08:43:08Z IndexTAG: 252 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens! My name is Michael and I'm an American undergrad studying Philology in Athens, Greece. I love studying the Classics--especially Homer--and I am very excited to begin this course! UserIdTAG: 1316179 UserNameTAG: Laertiades CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T19:20:01Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hi classmate! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1317535 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Anna_Efthimiadoy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T21:13:03Z IndexTAG: 253 TitleTAG: Course text book How do I buy the textbook used in this course? UserIdTAG: 1055816 UserNameTAG: bobby5991 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T18:30:50Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: Dear Bobby, Based on a review of the syllabus, I do not believe you need to. The material will be posted to a web site and we can read it there. I assume it is a very robust web site, and not like the old days waiting on reserved reading at the University library. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 686500 FirstChildUserNameTAG: krush FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T21:40:34Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Bobby and krush, All the texts will be made available through the course website. So stay tuned! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T23:57:27Z FirstChildTAG: Where i can se this site? Or it will be posted when the course begins ? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1303329 FirstChildUserNameTAG: StoyanG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T07:09:44Z FirstChildTAG: Or you can download them if youd like to start early http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/ http://manybooks.net/ these are old text so they wont have copyright or any of that nonsense ,the only one you probably wont find is the one by the professor and if you find you like him after the lectures ,buy his book so long as you can afford it ,but all the required reading are available for free Oh and to me the first site is better in terms of quality ,also I use mobipocket http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/default.asp?Language=EN to view mobi files because I just prefer mobi for books over pdf ,but its your choice FirstChildUserIdTAG: 20186 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vikashx1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T12:23:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Bobby! Perhaps you have discovered that two links have been uploaded already, but, anyway... Check this one for the book "The best of the Achaeans" http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/nagy/BofAISM/toc.html FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T04:33:48Z FirstChildTAG: As I'd like to have a hard copy instead of just reading the book online, I just recently ordered my copy :) Amazon says, it's going to be available on April, 22nd. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 844461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T20:41:47Z IndexTAG: 254 TitleTAG: hello i'm from Indonesian guidance please ... ^ ^ UserIdTAG: 1315732 UserNameTAG: Hasanudin CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T17:18:01Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: nice to know that there's another Indonesian. Hi there, bro! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 790839 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tukang_makan FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T03:33:18Z SecondChildTAG: hello there! I'm a neighbor of yours! Gerick from Philippines! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 892025 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gerickABM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T03:35:34Z IndexTAG: 255 TitleTAG: Why Facebook? Question: Is it necessary to register with Facebook to get full benefit of the course? I hope not. I don't want my likes (and dislikes?) recorded by anyone other than EdX. UserIdTAG: 35667 UserNameTAG: butch CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T14:05:12Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Couldn't agree with you more! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T15:36:42Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, butch. I don't believe facebook is part of the course but that some students have decided on their own to create a page there. I don't have a facebook account and am not the only one. I wouldn't worry about it. This site should be enough. Claudia Filos, please correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers, genghis FirstChildUserIdTAG: 5002 FirstChildUserNameTAG: genghis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T17:35:18Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Genghis, and hi to Ezra and butch, You absolutely do _not_ need to participate in any discussion on Facebook, Google+, etc. Several students have started groups and we have social media pages too (I'm going to post about them very soon), but that's all totally optional. So no pressure on that front! Best, Claudia PS Thanks so much for enrolling! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T23:55:52Z SecondChildTAG: Super. Thank you, Claudia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 5002 SecondChildUserNameTAG: genghis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T21:57:39Z IndexTAG: 256 TitleTAG: Hello from Beirut, Lebanon! I've recently completed a BA in English and am now pursuing my graduate studies in comparative literature. This course seems like loads of fun and will definitely be most enriching. UserIdTAG: 1313218 UserNameTAG: Mounawar CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T11:14:43Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Round the world by Internet and down the corridor in the real world -- I have high hopes too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T21:37:12Z SecondChildTAG: Lebanon...the name is so redolent of history. I hope this course will bring even more to our appreciation of cultures on the 'Mediterranean rim'. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1000464 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Janice02 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T02:40:21Z IndexTAG: 257 TitleTAG: Hello from Italia! Hello everybody. My name's Rossella, from Italy. I'm so very excited to take this course and can't wait until it starts! Thanks to edX and greetings to all passionates about ancient greek. Ciao! UserIdTAG: 1313431 UserNameTAG: Pantea CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T10:56:56Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello all! My name is Marina, I am from Italy as well, but I now live in Brisbane, Australia. I have studied ancient Greek history and literature during high school, but I can hardly remember anything..and would love to get back into it! Ciao FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1319300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: marinad_am FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T04:02:00Z SecondChildTAG: Ciao Marina! :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1313431 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Pantea SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T08:52:04Z FirstChildTAG: Hello I'm from italy aswell!! From milan! I'm very interested in this class, and even though I attent a british school, I've studied greek and latin history and the Iliad, the Odissey and the Eneide. Auguri e ciao! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 626131 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aristide1997 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T20:05:02Z IndexTAG: 258 TitleTAG: Hello from Malaysia! Hi everyone, I'm Ann from Malaysia. It's really nice to meet all of you here and it's going to be very exciting to see people who are passionate about ancient heroes all in one place. I'm really forward to listening to everyone's opinion on how ideals from back then are still applicable in today's world. Hope that we'll all be able to learn something from this course and also from each other! :) UserIdTAG: 755861 UserNameTAG: annesue CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T08:42:37Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 259 TitleTAG: Hello from Germany My name is Angelika. In greek Evangelia. I am excited about Greek mythology and history UserIdTAG: 1312492 UserNameTAG: AngelOfEls CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T07:28:08Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 260 TitleTAG: Hello from Beirut, πόλις ῥωμαϊκωτέρα I teach Latin and intro level courses in Greek and Roman History and Literature (in translation) at Lebanese American University, and I'm really looking forward to refreshing my ideas and knowledge, and being made to think... Hopefully, this course will put me through hoops! I was really attracted by the juxtaposition of logos and hero because I also teach courses in English rhetoric. UserIdTAG: 1305857 UserNameTAG: bprescott-decie CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T09:38:46Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I also teach courses in English rhetoric, and the same topic interests me. I teach in Atlanta, GA. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017741 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Margaret22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T12:16:25Z IndexTAG: 261 TitleTAG: Good Day: From Philippines so excited for this course...looking forward to learn with you people... :) UserIdTAG: 775498 UserNameTAG: iamtimay CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T06:58:10Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 262 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens! Hello everybody! My name is Mary and I can't wait to start this course! This is my second post here, but it seems that my first one was more or less laconic! I am glad to see that many compatriots participate in this course, but I am also glad to see people from all around the world too! UserIdTAG: 1293126 UserNameTAG: Marystrat CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T00:32:49Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Mary, I feel the same way Mary. Definitely looks exciting. Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:16:18Z SecondChildTAG: Same here! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305706 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MariaVerna SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T06:49:35Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Efthalia! I have studied Humanities with Art History at the Open University in the UK and Museum Studies in Leicester. I am extremely keen on lifetime learning and it was a very fortunate coincidence that I've learned about this course! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1293126 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Marystrat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T17:02:01Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Maria! I have just noticed your comment!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1293126 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Marystrat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T17:02:43Z IndexTAG: 263 TitleTAG: Hello from Naoussa, Greece!!! My name is Ifigenia and I live in Naoussa, the place that hosted the school of Aristotle, the great pholosopher and teacher of Alexander the Great!!!Greetings to all, I can't wait for the course to start!!! UserIdTAG: 1288744 UserNameTAG: ifigeneia89 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T23:19:06Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Ifigenia, Lovely name and what a wonderful and inspirational part of the world you live in. Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:17:34Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Eftalia, thanks for your comment...and your name sounds very nice too..:-) where are you from?your name has greek origin.... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1288744 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ifigeneia89 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T13:27:45Z IndexTAG: 264 TitleTAG: Hello from London! Greetings classmates! UserIdTAG: 980321 UserNameTAG: esharding CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T09:48:56Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Greetings friend! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 918404 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JustPrerna FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T11:02:39Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T06:44:05Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Atlanta, GA, USA. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017741 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Margaret22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T12:18:03Z IndexTAG: 265 TitleTAG: Ας πούμε ένα ηρωϊκό χαίρετε λοιπόν!-Let's say hello with a heroic post:) Hello from Greece! I am so excited about my first HarvardX course, so glad I discovered that opportunity thanks to the University webpage, and really thankful to everyone who has or will put effort in making all this widely available! I am a student at the University of Patras(School of Humanities and Social Studies, Department of Primary Education ), a literature and history addict :P and I really can't wait for the course to start... Nice to meeting you all, exploring along with new friends from all over the world makes what already seems like an interesting journey even more promising:) UserIdTAG: 1286578 UserNameTAG: mariakant CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T23:23:47Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Welcome Maria! (*Καλώς ήρθες, συμπατριώτισσα*)στο HarvardX. Από μια συμφοιτήτρια από τη βόρεια άκρη της Ελλάδας ( Θεσσαλονίκη ) Pashalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282750 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pashakoufidou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T00:01:23Z SecondChildTAG: Καλως ηρθαμε Ελληνες!!απο Αθήνα really excited about the course:) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1301936 SecondChildUserNameTAG: serenitybk SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T14:47:06Z SecondChildTAG: Γειά χαρά! Κι εγώ απόφοιτος ΑΠΘ είμαι, από την άλλη πλευρά των γρασιδιών της Φιλοσοφικής όμως! Σύσσωμος ο Ελληνισμός βλέπω, χαιρετισμούς από Κύπρο! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1304186 SecondChildUserNameTAG: akarafou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T22:42:05Z SecondChildTAG: Παιδιά καλώς σας βρήκα!Όντως βλέπω μεταξύ άλλων και μεγάλη ελληνική συμμετοχή- πράγμα πολύ ενθαρρυντικό, και κάτι που νομίζω θα δώσει και πρόσθετο ενδιαφέρον στο μάθημα! It's a pleasure to see so many greek friends enrolling the course, too!:) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1286578 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mariakant SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T09:14:03Z FirstChildTAG: I welcome you to (καλώς ήρθες) this is Stavrow from Greece Athens FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1245985 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stayroskoykoy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T20:05:23Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Stavros!I hope we'll all share a great journey exploring together here:) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1286578 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mariakant SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T09:14:05Z IndexTAG: 266 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece.... Greetings from Athens.... I'm looking forward to starting the course....Very innovatine idea.... It'll be fascinating....!!!! UserIdTAG: 1297057 UserNameTAG: Melissmell CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T17:26:35Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 267 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece Hi, I'm Theodora from Greece. I am looking forward to attending the course! UserIdTAG: 1297038 UserNameTAG: dz1234 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T17:21:50Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome aboard. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T12:49:43Z IndexTAG: 268 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens!! Hope will have a nice journey together UserIdTAG: 1297027 UserNameTAG: Arkouda CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T17:21:40Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 269 TitleTAG: Questions about web access to Sourcebook So far I can't find a link mentioned in the syllabus to SOURCEBOOK OF ANCIENT GREEK TESTS IN ENGLISH TRANSLATION. I googled to: http://www.fordham.edu/Halsall/ancient/asbook07.asp and found a link from there to Homer's Iliad. However, even if that is the Sourcebook referred to in the syllabus, it is not clear what is meant by Prof. Nagy's mention of "Iliad scroll I." Has anyone any more information? I want to get a jump start on my reading. Thanks to anyone who can help. UserIdTAG: 891700 UserNameTAG: njjohnson CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T13:43:28Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear njjohnson, thanks for these questions. The link you found isn't for our sourcebook. We will post the Sourcebook for this course very soon. "Iliad Scroll 1" refers to the first unit of the Iliad. (Each epic is traditionally broken up into 24 units). Sometimes they are also called "books" or even "chapters". When the class starts, we'll talk more about why "book" may not be the best way to describe these units. Prof. Nagy will also sometimes use the term "rhapsody" because it indicates performance vs. a written text--and performance will be a major theme for our course. Does this help? Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T14:55:32Z SecondChildTAG: Claudia - Many thanks. I'll curb my enthusiasm...or at least my impatience ...for now! Norma SecondChildUserIdTAG: 891700 SecondChildUserNameTAG: njjohnson SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T01:39:35Z IndexTAG: 270 TitleTAG: hello from Greece Congratulations this is an excellent job!!! UserIdTAG: 1295460 UserNameTAG: nikzam CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T12:21:41Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Karpenisi, Greece!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1296527 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Alexgreek FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T16:25:09Z SecondChildTAG: hello from Chania!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1297603 SecondChildUserNameTAG: peneloppe SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T19:12:29Z IndexTAG: 271 TitleTAG: Hello! Hi, I'm Silvia from Barcelona (Spain)! UserIdTAG: 1147901 UserNameTAG: cuapingu CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T11:38:50Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Athens Greece (Hellas)! I love Catalonia and Spain... I've been there a few times! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259146 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hermarchus FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T17:36:19Z IndexTAG: 272 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens Hellas looking forward to starting the course UserIdTAG: 1294547 UserNameTAG: olvos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T10:56:44Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone! Greetings from Greece! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1298001 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Giannis51 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T21:08:08Z IndexTAG: 273 TitleTAG: Ancient vs. Present My fellows, I am Greek and I am glad to participate, motivate and exchange ideas and concepts through the course. UserIdTAG: 1294359 UserNameTAG: DELPHIS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T07:55:23Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: DELPHIS is the ancient word of womb and brotherhood I am a professional, holding a doctorate degree in marine sciences, living between Athens and Los Angeles, and hope I can find an interesting group of Ancient Greek learners! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294359 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DELPHIS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T08:10:29Z SecondChildTAG: DELPHIS, thanks so much for enrolling! Hopefully, we can help those who are working on ancient Greek connect. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T14:38:33Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, Delphis. This is Eirini from Naxos. Welcome! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T11:34:01Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Delphis, This is Eleni a fellow Greek from Adelaide, Australia. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T07:02:48Z IndexTAG: 274 TitleTAG: Greetings form Veria, Greece Greetings form Veria, Greece We welcome this opportunity to explore once again our culture through the eyes of foreigner scholars. I hope to enrich my perspective of ancient Greek knowledge beyond the national limits. UserIdTAG: 1294360 UserNameTAG: arzoglou CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T07:50:46Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Naxos FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T11:17:32Z SecondChildTAG: Και η Βεροια στο παιχνίδι?Τi γίνεται?χαχα greetings from Naoussa!!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1288744 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ifigeneia89 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T01:04:21Z IndexTAG: 275 TitleTAG: GREECE HELLO FROM GREECE UserIdTAG: 1294346 UserNameTAG: TEO221 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T07:48:52Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome aboard, Greek FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T11:17:11Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for that great opportunity! I live in Athens, Greece. I read ancient Greek books and I'm looking forward to start this fascinating lesson. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1295332 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KatPik SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T12:12:35Z IndexTAG: 276 TitleTAG: Greetings from Greece Hello everyone from Kozani, in North Greece. I feel very lucky to take part in this cource with all of you! UserIdTAG: 1292802 UserNameTAG: dnlibr CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T00:53:27Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hello Kozani!!! I m from Chalkidiki! It s so nice that so many greeks will attend the course... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294591 FirstChildUserNameTAG: liakara FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T09:39:17Z SecondChildTAG: i am from kozani too!! ptolemaida SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1193470 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kbagtzi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T18:04:31Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Zakynthos..Indeed i see many Greeks..That is good.. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294390 FirstChildUserNameTAG: anastasiazakynthos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T09:53:38Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Naxos FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T10:48:31Z IndexTAG: 277 TitleTAG: Greetings from Northern California Hello everyone! Looking forward to interacting with all of you. Our current times are very challenging and this course is a potential conduit to extremely useful and interesting knowledge. Come visit the middle of the best part of California any time. I will host a fascinating trip for you. Sincerely, Lily UserIdTAG: 964472 UserNameTAG: arminiusfalcata CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T23:06:42Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I am so excited for the course and am thankful to Harvard for offering it. I look forward to the challenge. And Northern California is one of the most beautiful places on earth. I'm in Victoria, British Columbia to the north of you. The Pacific northwest is fantastic. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1296837 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AshleyRichards FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T17:04:20Z SecondChildTAG: Aah yes, I visit the wonderful redwoods at Prairie Creek and onwards every time I can. I come from Australia with my husband and we love norther CA. Have also travelled to Washington, Oregon and onwards up the coast to Prince Rupert. I was lucky to see a white bear on the shore from the water but no one believed me until I saw a documentary about the 'Spirit Bears' I love your home and hope to live there one day. Welcome from the west coast of very sunny Australia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T06:54:08Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for your kind words about my home. Have been to BC Canada but not Australia! Maybe some day... This class will be difficult but a BLAST!!! Looking forward to working and learning with all of you!! Our class is very international. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 964472 SecondChildUserNameTAG: arminiusfalcata SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T07:58:13Z IndexTAG: 278 TitleTAG: Saudações Brasileiras! Olá, sou do Brasil, Santa Maria - RS. Curso Filosofia na UFSM. UserIdTAG: 1272690 UserNameTAG: Wilder00 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T21:45:05Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: (Portuguese, English below) Olá Wilder00!! Também sou brasileiro, mas atualmente estou estudando engenharia na Alemanha. Prazer em conhecê-lo. Curso Engenharia de Controle e Automação na UNIFEI. (English) Hello Wilder00!! I'm also Brazilian, but currently I'm studying Engineering in Germany. Nice to meet you. I'm studying Control and Automation Engineering at UNIFEI (name of my University in Brazil). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1295070 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fabiomolinar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T11:11:16Z SecondChildTAG: Oi Wilder e fabiomolinar. Sou de Porto Alegre-RS. Abraços! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1324789 SecondChildUserNameTAG: andre_ramos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T20:00:19Z SecondChildTAG: Abração pra vocês, bom saber que mais brasileiros estão interessados na antiguidade. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1272690 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Wilder00 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T14:47:36Z IndexTAG: 279 TitleTAG: Hello Hello, my name is Anna and I am in and from California. I very much look forward to speaking and collaborating with everyone and learning new information. I am starting a PhD program in the Fall in Ancient History and I hope to take some new ideas with me to school. UserIdTAG: 1167131 UserNameTAG: AJAccettola CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T19:02:00Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Anna!!! So good to "see" you here, and can't wait to have you share your insightful contributions... :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1186849 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NoamSienna FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T04:18:21Z IndexTAG: 280 TitleTAG: Greetings from Italy! Hello everyone! I come from Italy and I am very glad to begin this course. Good luck to all! UserIdTAG: 1210546 UserNameTAG: Leuko CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T16:44:47Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Greetings and welcome to our group and we embark on this great journey. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:34:46Z SecondChildTAG: hey guys . I am form india. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1254370 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ravikumar0075 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T18:17:36Z SecondChildTAG: i am glad that we all met. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1254370 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ravikumar0075 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T18:19:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Thessaloniki GREECE FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1291754 FirstChildUserNameTAG: konstantinos590 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T21:15:38Z FirstChildTAG: Buongiorno, Leuko. Greetings from Hellas/Greece. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T06:56:39Z IndexTAG: 281 TitleTAG: Hello from Greek Island of Lefkada Hello Everyone ... it's a pleasure to be part of the forum. UserIdTAG: 1288487 UserNameTAG: yelena_t CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T15:05:25Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Welcome aboard :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T16:29:55Z FirstChildTAG: You are not the only one from Lefkada my dear :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1290254 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kassios FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:50:51Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome yelena. Glad to have you come along with us. This is going to be marvelous. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:32:45Z FirstChildTAG: Seriously guys??Me too! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279699 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CSMALAKASIS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T21:16:42Z FirstChildTAG: i am greek too living at the pacific sea everyone welcome aboard!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 929600 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nikopetsalis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T01:21:40Z IndexTAG: 282 TitleTAG: Heroes nowadays I have already seen that many of us have chosen their favourite ancient greek hero. I think that's a fairly easy choice. The inevitable questions is : what do we consider to be heroic nowadays. Can you name any modern heroes? Even if we don't have any immediate answers, let the question linger. UserIdTAG: 1280336 UserNameTAG: galandreas CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T14:37:56Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: For me, **Anatoly Grishchenko** is a modern hero. Although he knew that he was flying his helicopter straight to his death, he made four flights in five days through radioactive gases to dump sand and wet concrete from his helicopter on the Chernobyl nuclear plant, entombing the plant after it exploded on April 26, 1986. Before he died he was asked why he did this and his answer was: I did it for Man. For me that mans' action can only be discribed with one word. **KLEOS**!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1288794 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ARIONAS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T22:28:12Z SecondChildTAG: Nice one. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1279054 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nearchus SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T09:12:44Z FirstChildTAG: Perhaps the well-known line 'would the sound of a tree falling in the forest still count if no-one heard it?' has a parallel here? Heroes are everywhere and don't need to die to be heroic. Some mothers/parents sacrifice their lives, goals, dreams to give their children hope in the world. Is this not heroic? Is being a martyr less or more heroic than the constant, mind numbing drudgery of work over many years to support ones loved ones? Who knows. I would say, 'walk in the shoes of another before you judge them.' FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T07:08:07Z IndexTAG: 283 TitleTAG: Greetings To You All from the Cold, Snowy Midwest USA! I am very much looking forward to this course and to getting to know you all. UserIdTAG: 914111 UserNameTAG: Scourt CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T02:27:16Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: You have had lots of snow past few days? Welcome to this class. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:23:37Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you, Bobby5991. Yes, we have had lots of snow this winter: too much. Where in the world are you? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 914111 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Scourt SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T12:30:24Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Scourt, Apache Junction AZ. We had snow here last week in the Phoenix area. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T00:16:00Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Scourt, Apache Junction AZ. We had snow here last week in the Phoenix area. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T00:15:35Z IndexTAG: 284 TitleTAG: Hello from Thessaloniki!! Γεια σας, παιδιά! UserIdTAG: 1282696 UserNameTAG: jmathetria CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T23:51:29Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 8 FirstChildTAG: Hello there!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282993 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AlexiaM FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T23:58:58Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Toronto, Canada SecondChildUserIdTAG: 932815 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athens71 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T01:45:32Z FirstChildTAG: Γεια!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1278865 FirstChildUserNameTAG: helenabech FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T08:22:55Z FirstChildTAG: Καλώς ήλθατε παιδιά Έχουν φτιάξει και σελίδα στο Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T09:05:46Z FirstChildTAG: Γεια σας από Νάξο FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T12:25:05Z FirstChildTAG: Τους χαιρετισμούς μου από την Πάτρα!:)Είδα ελληνικά και είπα να πω κι εδώ ένα γειά στο "μεταξύ μας" πριν προχωρήσω στον...διεθνή χαιρετισμό. Καλές ανακαλύψεις σε όλους μας! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1286578 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mariakant FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T23:00:20Z FirstChildTAG: Καλημέρα στη Μακεδονία και στην όμορφη συμπρωτεύουσα. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T07:04:21Z FirstChildTAG: Καλημέρα από Λάρισα!Μόλις έμαθα για το μάθημα και ανυπομονώ!Το βρίσκω πολύ ενδιαφέρον!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1286496 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ElenH_8 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T10:05:35Z FirstChildTAG: Καλημέρα από Αθήνα !!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1256529 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ALCESTIS92 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T11:24:18Z IndexTAG: 285 TitleTAG: Hello from Thessaloniki, Greece και επειδή μαζευτήκαμε και πολλοί Έλληνες στο μάθημα: ΓΕΙΑ ΣΑΣ, ΣΥΜΠΑΤΡΙΩΤΕΣ ΚΑΙ ΣΥΝ-ΑΝΑΓΝΩΣΤΕΣ ! UserIdTAG: 1282750 UserNameTAG: pashakoufidou CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T23:34:55Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Welcome aboard :) Feel free to join the Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T06:13:24Z SecondChildTAG: καλημέρα από Θεσσλονίκη επίσης!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1278316 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EFIKAPS SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T07:24:19Z FirstChildTAG: Καλημέρα και από μένα FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1278865 FirstChildUserNameTAG: helenabech FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T08:21:55Z FirstChildTAG: Καλημέρα κι από μένα... Πρώτη φορά για τέτοιο μάθημα κι ανυπομονώ... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1292589 FirstChildUserNameTAG: meimanest FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T23:38:27Z IndexTAG: 286 TitleTAG: The Greek language I hope that in the end of this course the Greeks will stop using the "greeklish" way of typing (greek words with latin characters). UserIdTAG: 1280297 UserNameTAG: gnikiforou CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T20:43:05Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Can you be more tolerant. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281872 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RyanShidyak FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T21:43:44Z SecondChildTAG: no, i cant, i dont like to see my language being so brutally raped. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T08:23:12Z SecondChildTAG: Don't be so extreme. I see my language (English) used badly every day (usually by native English speakers) but do not feel the need to use such emotive language. This is a course of many thousands and latin characters are the 'lingua franca'. Incidentally are you asking for ancient or modern Greek? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 20879 SecondChildUserNameTAG: forevergreen SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T08:58:16Z SecondChildTAG: Surely its an international course, thats why we use the English language to communicate. I am not quite sure if you understand a bit from a Greek word with latin characters and I am reffering to the modern Greek, especially when Greeks talk to each other. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T08:20:50Z SecondChildTAG: being Greek myself I don't really see my language being raped at all. I honestly do not understand why are you making it such a big deal out of it. This is an international course by an american university and all I've seen till now is nothing but respect to my language, contrary to most modern Greeks that use Latin characters for Greek language to communicate with each other by texts mails etc. The use of Latin characters is to enable people from around the world to view and appreciate the beauty of ancient Greek literature SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1317418 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vickypks SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T01:25:21Z SecondChildTAG: i dont see any disagreement here. Obviously you havent seen my latest post where im refferring to the way Greeks use the greeklish in the social media. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T13:03:55Z FirstChildTAG: Good morning! I don't think that gnikiforou is extreme. A language is not only a way of expression but represents the way of thinking. Modern papers have prooved the connection between brain function and expression. It is our duty to treat to our language with respect as the heart of our civilization. I hate to see it be abused on tv by greek speakers who try to seem educated and use f.e. "stage" instead of "σκηνή", "backstage" instead of "παρασκήνια", "performer" instead of "ηθοποιός" etc. Good lord, the Greeks invented theater! You δοκησίσοφοι people, an educated person is a person who use the proper word in the proper place, in the proper time. Not to mention that for over two thousand years we have the problem of διγλωσσία, that means that we had three different forms in language: the form of state and educated, the form of the church and the form of everyday people (not to mention the 17 local greek dialects!). Imagine the problems we had to deal with. We solved it just in 1976. Greeklish seems a new threat and there is no space for experiments and innovations. Here I close my long comment. Sorry to english speakers for my english. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T09:50:48Z SecondChildTAG: You are right and I understand fully gnikiforou's position but unfortunately some of us like myself ( Greeks from abroad), the ones who have been born abroad, can speak well, but cannot write properly ( spelling and grammar)- and that means we will again slaughter the language. I only use this greeklish to be friendly - so since it is so offensive, will answer in English, because I cannot write proper Greek. My sincere apologies, if I have offended anyone with the Greeklish. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T07:15:25Z SecondChildTAG: No, No, No! Nobody is offedned with your greeklish. My apologies if I made you feel that way. It's understandable that a greek speaker of diaspora has difficulties. I have problem with those who are borned and live in Greece and use a foreign word every three greek or use greeklish even they can fluently write in greek. Please, use the greek language even with greeklish. Se parakalo poly :)) p.s. Actually the "latin" alphabet is the greek alphabet of Euboians. If we think about it greeklish are greek but not in the attic alphabet. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 962226 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T09:01:10Z SecondChildTAG: actually it is us Greeks that we are not treating our language eith the respect needed. Only if you see what the government has turned modern Greek into and what they are allowing our children to be taught is travesty. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1317418 SecondChildUserNameTAG: vickypks SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T01:33:40Z FirstChildTAG: My point is that writing in Greek when you're talking to a Greek person is a matter of respect. We as a nation, as a civilization, survive through centuries using our common language. Greeklish typing was invented the early years of computing when the keyboards didn't support the Greek language and all the Greeks had to type using english characters. Now we must put an end to this. I don't have a problem with wrong grammar or bad spelling. I can understand it. Even me sometimes im not quite sure about the correct spelling of a word so i can fully unterstand the Greeks from abroad who have problems in writing Greek. They can use the English words instead. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T08:15:11Z FirstChildTAG: do Modern Greeks understand ancient GreeK? I curious because English sopeakers have to be taught to read Chaucer, and middle-English, so called, and Anglo-Saxon are layered incomprehension to most English-speakers. I think the same would be said of other languages, certainly in Europe. Are there, in other words, places where a modern Greek-speaker would need what would be called an etymological dictionary to make even literal sense ofa Homeric phrase which is now, after all, more than 2000 years away from us, with a different landscape, distinct apparatus of daily-life and feeling wh. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 FirstChildUserNameTAG: whaskett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T20:24:17Z IndexTAG: 287 TitleTAG: Hello and Greetings to all! Another Greek heroine joined in:) UserIdTAG: 1281042 UserNameTAG: molael CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T19:45:58Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome aboard Feel free to join the Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T20:04:08Z SecondChildTAG: I just joined the group. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1274211 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Coastofnowhere SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T21:26:02Z IndexTAG: 288 TitleTAG: another Greek registering for the course Hello everyone. Thrilled to be a part of all this. Hope to learn, cooperate and exchange ideas. Andreas Galanos (from Thessaloniki, Greece) UserIdTAG: 1280336 UserNameTAG: galandreas CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:39:11Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hello, Galanis Andreas, I am Evangelia from Tirnavos Greece, welcome, Greetings FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T19:50:03Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! Another Greek person from Thessaloniki... great! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1281854 SecondChildUserNameTAG: giorginos94 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T21:24:27Z SecondChildTAG: Hello, Galanis Adreas, Iam Nefeli from Volos!!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:01:54Z SecondChildTAG: Hello!!! I m Alexia from Delphi.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1282993 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AlexiaM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T00:03:07Z SecondChildTAG: Hello all! And welcome aboard!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: galandreas SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T14:28:31Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! Eirini from Naxos FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T12:26:39Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Eirini SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: galandreas SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T14:28:54Z FirstChildTAG: Helloooo Greeks!!!!I'm Sia from Nafplio!!!!!!Good start!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1283116 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SIA3108 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T00:54:11Z SecondChildTAG: Good start to you too SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: galandreas SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T14:28:45Z IndexTAG: 289 TitleTAG: Hi Hello from Belgrade Serbia! UserIdTAG: 1203633 UserNameTAG: Nadalina CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:35:28Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I join in with your greetings from belgrade :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277754 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ditza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:53:07Z IndexTAG: 290 TitleTAG: Greetings from Athens, Greece! I am very thrilled to be a part of this! My deepest appreciation to all those who made it possible! UserIdTAG: 1279899 UserNameTAG: SoZein CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:48:05Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Welcome aboard They have created a Facebook group so you may join if you will ! https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:58:38Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, dear SoZein, I am Evangelia From Tirnavos Greece, wellcome, Greetings FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:59:23Z FirstChildTAG: Hello!!!!Apostolia from Thessaliniki FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280958 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Apostolia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T19:38:09Z SecondChildTAG: Hello!!! Alexia from Delphi.. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1282993 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AlexiaM SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T00:02:11Z IndexTAG: 291 TitleTAG: Χαιρετισμοί Kαλησπέρα από Στοκχόλμη!Greetings to everyone! UserIdTAG: 1279815 UserNameTAG: elenael CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:35:28Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Hello, Elenael, wellcome, this is Evangelia from Tirnavos Greece, Greetings FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:41:11Z SecondChildTAG: Hello.. I am so glad I can share my excitement over this course with all you! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1279815 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elenael SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:27:41Z FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα από Στοκχόλμη επίσης! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:45:20Z FirstChildTAG: Greedings from Volos, Greece !!!!! Καλησπέρα !!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:13:43Z FirstChildTAG: They have created a Facebook group so you may join if you will ! https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:55:04Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for letting me know! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1279815 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elenael SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:28:15Z IndexTAG: 292 TitleTAG: Kalispera apo NY! Kalispera se olous! Eimai poli enthousiasmeni gia auto to mathima kai gia auti tin eukairia pou dinete se olous mas! Good afternoon! I can't wait to start the course! Cheers! UserIdTAG: 1279699 UserNameTAG: CSMALAKASIS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:27:35Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: They have created a Facebook group so you may join if you will ! https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:54:55Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, dear CSMalakasis, wellcome, this is Evangelia from Tirnavos Greece, Greetings FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:36:55Z IndexTAG: 293 TitleTAG: On more Athenian on board! Hello everybody! Glad to join such a diverse and interesting group of people who want to learn MORE! UserIdTAG: 1279570 UserNameTAG: JulieGyftoula CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:19:27Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Γειά από Χαλκιδική... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:21:53Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, dear Athenian and wellcome, this is Evangelia from Tirnavos Greece, Greetings FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:34:18Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome aboard ! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:53:03Z FirstChildTAG: They have created a Facebook group so you may join if you will ! https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:54:45Z FirstChildTAG: Goodmorning. Καλημέρα, παιδιά. Ελληνοκρατούμενος ο ιστότοπος. Καλή συνέχεια να έχουμε. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T07:10:07Z IndexTAG: 294 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens, Greece Thanks for giving me the opportunity to participate in this course. I find the idea of learning and disseminating the Greek heroic ideals all over the world really exciting! UserIdTAG: 1279167 UserNameTAG: Hadzigiannoglou CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:35:36Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Athens too... Χάρηκα! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277306 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SalambasiG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:01:41Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, dear Hatzigiannoglou, well come, greetings from Evangelia from Tirnavos Greece FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:27:32Z FirstChildTAG: Paidia telika oi perissoteroi Ellines eimaste! Polla filia! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279699 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CSMALAKASIS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:28:41Z SecondChildTAG: Πες το ψέματα! Φιλιά από Αθήνα. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 962226 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T07:11:29Z FirstChildTAG: hi everyone. So glad to meet Greek colleagues from all over Greece and also the world! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279167 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hadzigiannoglou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T18:10:25Z FirstChildTAG: They have created a Facebook group so you may join if you will ! https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:55:20Z SecondChildTAG: I did just request to join,how exciting! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1279699 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CSMALAKASIS SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T21:22:52Z IndexTAG: 295 TitleTAG: Thank you for the opportunity Hallo, everybody I am a prosecutor from South Africa. I deal mainly with the survivors of child rape and the prosecution of the perpetrators. Strange though it may sound, it is one of the reasons I decided to enter for this specific course.I have also entered for the Justice-course. Through the years, I have learnt a lot about heroism from the little kids I deal with, sometimes in very sad and sordid circumstances. Generally, their sense of perseverance in adversity is an inspiration-does it make sense? Maybe there's some correlation with the slaying of monsters or the like...In any case, I wish to extend my gratitude to Prof.Nagy and everybody else involved for the opportunity to read and learn more about this fascinating field. We are indeed all readers, learners, dreamers. UserIdTAG: 1008452 UserNameTAG: Dibi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T15:22:06Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: hello Dibi! I don't know if you have ever read or studied Plato, but in his dialogues "POLITEIA", (the "state"?), he has a very enlightening dialogue among Socrates and some friends of his about the role of the hero, the gods and the ethics... I think it's a book that every human should read, and it definitely has an impact to little souls if taught in the right way... Greetings from Greece! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:22:13Z SecondChildTAG: Hallo, Sophia! Nice meeting you. This is one of the most enjoyable parts of this course- meeting like minded friends. Thank you for referring me to Socrates. I will make a point of looking for that specific dialogue this morning- the wonders of my Kindle never cease to amaze and delight. I will let you know as soon as I have read it! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1008452 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Dibi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T03:42:00Z FirstChildTAG: Dibi, thank you so much for enrolling! I think you are a hero protecting heroes. I look forward to learning from you as well as all the wonderful participants here!! We are cheering on your very, very important work and sending all the best thoughts to the amazing children you help. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:37:57Z IndexTAG: 296 TitleTAG: Greetings from Austria Hi all, Greetings from a Dutchman living in Austria. Cannot wait for this course to start and I wish you all good luck! Will UserIdTAG: 1277984 UserNameTAG: WCETimmer CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T14:46:01Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hello Will! thank you and good luck to you too! Sophia from Greece FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:28:24Z SecondChildTAG: Hey guys, my name is Thiago and I'm from Brazil. Good course for everyone. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1279720 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ThgMarques SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:33:14Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you very much! You too! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1277984 SecondChildUserNameTAG: WCETimmer SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T11:59:07Z IndexTAG: 297 TitleTAG: Greetings from Hellas Greetings from the birthland of democracy! UserIdTAG: 1276865 UserNameTAG: Sioutis CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T13:25:28Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T13:35:41Z FirstChildTAG: Γεια σας FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T14:06:38Z FirstChildTAG: They have created a Facebook group so you may join if you will ! https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:56:17Z FirstChildTAG: hallo to everyone...!!!! I am from Greece and I am looking for Greek people to have a conversation...!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1360358 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pinelopi_servou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T21:02:15Z IndexTAG: 298 TitleTAG: Are there any newbies to Greek literature? Following all the discussion forum it seems that so many are well versed with Greek literary heroes. This is great but i wonder if there are any newbies like me? Where Greek heroes sound very familiar but not more than that. I suppose I can begin the course without any bias and seek the truth as it is revealed through the course. UserIdTAG: 896154 UserNameTAG: mettya CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T11:50:29Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Good afternoon mettya If you need any help just ask :) I am Greek and I can help you to understand a lot of things. My only concern is time-zones and real life schedule but will manage one way or another. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T13:35:18Z FirstChildTAG: Dear Mettya, thanks so much for writing! You definitely aren't alone. Many, many students are in the same position. But the course is designed to be accessible for those without any background in the subject, so don't stress and enjoy! -Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:31:22Z IndexTAG: 299 TitleTAG: Accessible (and reasonable) translations of Homer Having read both the Iliad and the Odyssey in the past for my English Literature degree, I found that the Rieu translations are quite accessible and inexpensive to buy as they are published by Penguin in cheap paperback format. It's quite close and narrows the distance between the reader and the text. Try the Pope translation for that! Or the Lattimore! Cheers. JPM. UserIdTAG: 1019947 UserNameTAG: JosePedroMartins CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T07:51:34Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: hello jose pedro. i am also an english lit. graduate and i totally agree with what you say. the Lattimore translation is really easy to follow FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1218595 FirstChildUserNameTAG: markazaki FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T10:16:04Z SecondChildTAG: thank you for the info! it is better if I had the english translation because I already have the greek one. I'm greek by the way! can I find those in "Amazon"? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:14:12Z FirstChildTAG: Hi JosePedroMartins, We are going to provide some very special translations in the Sourcebook. These have been carefully prepared for this course to show where key words occur in the Greek, so that we can track these words and rebuild the network of association around them. We will let you know when they have been posted. All the best, Claudia PS Thank you for enrolling! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T12:11:44Z SecondChildTAG: Claudia, any thoughts on the Robert Fagles' translation? I'm using both the online and Fagles' translations and from the very beginning such a difference. Fagles' translates "menis" as rage, which is much stronger than "anger". Fagles' first two lines: "Rage--Goddess, sing the rage of Peleus' son Achilles, murderous, doomed, that cost the Achaeans countless losses" Will reading Fagles be more of a hindrance? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 167633 SecondChildUserNameTAG: phschwarz SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T03:45:39Z SecondChildTAG: I had been reading the Fagle translation and an older online Butler. Should we disregard these others and stay solely with the online course translation texts? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 988813 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tbmcgregor SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T23:25:07Z IndexTAG: 300 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens, Greece I believe it's a brilliant idea and we will have great time. UserIdTAG: 1271356 UserNameTAG: pankyr CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T23:36:26Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: etsi! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:34:01Z IndexTAG: 301 TitleTAG: Hello from Virginia Hello, all. Looking forward to the class & discussions. UserIdTAG: 1270126 UserNameTAG: LouisLlovio CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T20:20:06Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Good morning from Virginia! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1278935 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dawnEC FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:08:19Z SecondChildTAG: Hello, dear dawnEC from Virginia, well come!!! I was living in Washigton D.C. for a long period of time... Greetings Evangelia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 SecondChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:00:17Z FirstChildTAG: good evening from Greece Dawn! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:26:32Z SecondChildTAG: Welcome fellow DMVer! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 869468 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CFArnold SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:27:59Z IndexTAG: 302 TitleTAG: Brasileiros que vão frequentar o curso Que tal criarmos uma rede de e-mails para trocarmos ideias? Bons estudos a todos! UserIdTAG: 1269089 UserNameTAG: Sandro_Brazil CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T19:01:05Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Gostei! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1215606 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SallyBarcelos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T16:51:44Z SecondChildTAG: Boa ideia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1325176 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KaHenriques SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T20:14:23Z SecondChildTAG: Acho ótima ideia ... sou de São Paulo e vocês? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343346 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LUCIANALOPES SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T23:01:41Z IndexTAG: 303 TitleTAG: Hi everyone! Hi from México!!! UserIdTAG: 939271 UserNameTAG: Ivonne223 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T18:31:12Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: ¡Hola! from Belgrade, Serbia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277754 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ditza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:54:29Z SecondChildTAG: Hallo Serbia from B&H, RS...Banjaluka ovdje - drago mi je da ima neko iz Srbije - looking forward to study together with you all folks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1177692 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dijana SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T10:58:04Z SecondChildTAG: Dobro Jutro :) !!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 957972 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lluvia79 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T15:51:28Z IndexTAG: 304 TitleTAG: Colombia is here too! Hey everyone, I'm from Colombia, greetings to everyone specially to the South American people! UserIdTAG: 1149461 UserNameTAG: fvillabon CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T16:44:03Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Hello fvillabon i am from Colombia too, it is nice to have people from South America here!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1267634 FirstChildUserNameTAG: betoinc FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T16:46:32Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, I'm from Colombia too, this is so exciting!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1035837 SecondChildUserNameTAG: leidybibi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T19:33:13Z FirstChildTAG: Im not colombian but its nice to meeting you! Im mexican. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 977792 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Yaonox FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T17:46:42Z FirstChildTAG: A brother from Ecuador :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1272287 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fcastilloec FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T02:46:40Z FirstChildTAG: I am proud to belong to this Latin American group!!!I am from Colombia, but i would like to share this experience with all Spanish speakers. This my e-mail. libardoangarita@gmail.com FirstChildUserIdTAG: 968112 FirstChildUserNameTAG: libardoangarita FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T02:27:42Z IndexTAG: 305 TitleTAG: hello from Kastoria,Greece I just finished my Masters in Philosophy of Epicurus and Pierre Gassendi. I found very interesting this course and can't wait to start the lesson! UserIdTAG: 1266433 UserNameTAG: olgatheodorou CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T14:32:54Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hello olga.......greetings from athens......if you can, i'd like to ask you some questions......:-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1269121 FirstChildUserNameTAG: 91KONSTANTINOS91 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T19:10:45Z IndexTAG: 306 TitleTAG: Daniela from Brazil. I'm sure I'll enjoy this course, i'm looking forward to the start date! UserIdTAG: 963622 UserNameTAG: Daniela35 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T13:01:04Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi, Daniela! I am also from Brazil, Porto Alegre! Nice to see people from our country here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 924809 FirstChildUserNameTAG: carolrech FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T15:24:04Z SecondChildTAG: Hi!!! more one person from Brazil, São Paulo! Let's go. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1267732 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RaphaelBurin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T17:20:49Z SecondChildTAG: Oi Daniela! Bom encontrar brasileiros aqui! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1269089 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sandro_Brazil SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T18:58:52Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, everyone! My name is Andre, I am a brazilian too and I hope learning more about this very interesting subject as the ancient greek hero! I am from Sao Paulo and a student of postgraduation in Portuguese Literatura in the University of São Paulo. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897491 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ozawa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T19:11:00Z SecondChildTAG: Olá ... também sou do Brasil ... vivo em São Paulo e sou formada em Letras ... aguardo o contato de vocês! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343346 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LUCIANALOPES SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T23:03:11Z IndexTAG: 307 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens! i am Fotini nice to meet you all! UserIdTAG: 1264524 UserNameTAG: fotinidam CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T10:16:32Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello, from Naxos! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T15:39:12Z SecondChildTAG: hi from athens......!:-)! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1269121 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 91KONSTANTINOS91 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T19:32:13Z SecondChildTAG: Hi from Zakynthos!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270396 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CB89 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:02:55Z SecondChildTAG: Piraeus here! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270406 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rhodokanakis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:20:56Z FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα από την παγωμένη Στοκχόλμη παιδιά FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T13:38:03Z IndexTAG: 308 TitleTAG: Can I read other to ENG translations? Dear Prof. Nagy and stuff, Can I read during the course Homer's and other poems in Ukrainian/Russian translation? And, probably you can also reccomend whose translation to use? Thanks, Petro UserIdTAG: 204291 UserNameTAG: dr_butoros CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T10:00:00Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 309 TitleTAG: athens greece hi everybody i am maria and i live in athens. nice to meet you all! UserIdTAG: 1218595 UserNameTAG: markazaki CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T09:59:30Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: You, too, Maria. I am from Naxos FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T15:39:39Z SecondChildTAG: hello maria......:-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1269121 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 91KONSTANTINOS91 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T19:31:39Z SecondChildTAG: i've beeb to naxos so many times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i love this island! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1218595 SecondChildUserNameTAG: markazaki SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T20:40:21Z IndexTAG: 310 TitleTAG: Lefteris Hallo from Halkidiki, Hellas UserIdTAG: 1260733 UserNameTAG: loucho87 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T09:15:52Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hello from athens! so excited that we we will start soon FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1218595 FirstChildUserNameTAG: markazaki FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T09:57:48Z IndexTAG: 311 TitleTAG: Greetings from Thessaloniki, Greece I am Vassilis from Thessaloniki. I continuously want to evolve my spirit and knowledge. I am curius about this course and looking forward to start. UserIdTAG: 1263927 UserNameTAG: GeorgiadisV CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T08:57:59Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Good for you. Hello from Naxos. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T15:40:31Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Vassili! Γεία σου από Αθήνα! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1277306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SalambasiG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:06:59Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! How does the reading go? (Έλληνες του μαθήματος - Greeks of CB22x) https://www.facebook.com/groups/353368628101530/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1263927 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GeorgiadisV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T11:56:04Z IndexTAG: 312 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece.....Edessa Hello from Greece...Edessa UserIdTAG: 1176750 UserNameTAG: Konnazia CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T23:27:23Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 313 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece! It is amazing how many people are interested in diving into the abyss of ancient greek literature! Hope we all have a nice time exploring the mysteries of the humanities as a whole through the unique understanding such a course combined with the extraordinary diversity of individuals from all around the world can provide. Thanks to all the people who organized this journey! UserIdTAG: 1221124 UserNameTAG: Rafailz CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T20:33:12Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 314 TitleTAG: Greetings from the Netherlands I'm excited to be part of this course. I completed the Coursera course on Greek and Roman mythology, which really whetted my appetite for the classics. UserIdTAG: 943768 UserNameTAG: Shelleyjane CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:58:18Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 315 TitleTAG: Hi from snowy Austria! Hi everyone! My name is Gunther from Upper Austria and I'm very curious about the course. UserIdTAG: 7915 UserNameTAG: gdanzer CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T15:50:14Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi, Gunther! Greetings from Brazil! See you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 971010 FirstChildUserNameTAG: IaraLages FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T16:42:52Z SecondChildTAG: Greetings for everybody! So excited for March! Let us be united and study altogether. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 971557 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hypatia2021 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:42:13Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Iara and Gunther! Nice to say hello for you! Hope to share good moments during this wonderful course with you. greetings from Brasil - Sao Paulo!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 926268 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SilvaniaVaz FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T19:06:17Z IndexTAG: 316 TitleTAG: hi everybody I'm Ha, you can call me "Mizuki" and I'm from Vietnam. So glad to be a student of this school. This course will be a great experience will me. Thanks UserIdTAG: 891843 UserNameTAG: Mizuki CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T15:49:51Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello, Mizuki. Glad writing to you!I' m Eirini from Greece. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T18:15:12Z IndexTAG: 317 TitleTAG: Hello from Orlando, FL I can't wait for this class to start. It is great to see so many people wanting to learn just for the joy of it and from so many different locations. UserIdTAG: 972125 UserNameTAG: Mapis CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T04:36:35Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 318 TitleTAG: Hi, Everyone! Hi Guys! I'm Stella and I'm 21. I'm so excited to be here! I've always enjoyed Greek Myth, and to learn it here is just amazing. The world has really grown smaller...which is good in this case. For me, at least. Haha. UserIdTAG: 1092190 UserNameTAG: nutstella CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T01:18:35Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Ahem! Ahem! ;) Hello there Stella. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1043373 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Victoria01 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T01:45:48Z SecondChildTAG: LOL YOU! What group are you in? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1092190 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nutstella SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T16:42:44Z IndexTAG: 319 TitleTAG: πας μη ελλην βαρβαρος hi from Hellas..i hope this course to tell the truth about hellenic herows(ηρωες)and Thank you for your idea,it is very interesting!!! UserIdTAG: 1251430 UserNameTAG: chiosterra CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T21:24:45Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I think you have an advantage over the rest of us! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1028807 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MarionManton FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:02:26Z IndexTAG: 320 TitleTAG: Greetings from Egypt ! Hello everyone. My name is Rina and I am a medical student . living in a country with a 7000 years old civilization made me get kinda lost in my admiration to the ancient world . I studied Egyptology for a long time and it's gonna be great to study Greek mythology . looking forward to beginning that extraordinary journey in history :) UserIdTAG: 619149 UserNameTAG: Rinabella CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T20:41:14Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Rinabella! With so much flux in your part of the world, I'm sure this study of the timeless will be an inspiration... enjoy the journey! Best wishes from Brooklyn, NY~ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T15:24:50Z IndexTAG: 321 TitleTAG: Hello from the Great White North, eh? “The youth, intoxicated with his admiration of a hero, fails to see, that it is only a projection of his own soul, which he admires.” ~Ralph Waldo Emerson Hello! I'm in Toronto, Canada....looking forward to this interesting course with so many amazing, enthusiastic people from all over the world!!! Wow. This is my first online course also. I'm in the arts - taught for 15 years, an art gallery director/curator, public art advisor, writer, editor, festival & event programmer, artist, and more! And I'm always learning. Wishing everyone a joyous course together! Cheers! "Your sacred space is where you can find yourself again and again." ~Joseph Campbell UserIdTAG: 972152 UserNameTAG: IsisWisdom CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T18:47:54Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear IsisWisdom, thanks for sharing these beautiful quotes!! -Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:42:30Z IndexTAG: 322 TitleTAG: Hello to everyone :) !!!!!!!!!! I'm Lily and I'm from Greece. I study History and Archaeology at the National and Kapodistrian University of Athens.I'm so happy for having the chance to discuss with people from all over the world !!!! :D UserIdTAG: 1247853 UserNameTAG: lilyek CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T14:09:37Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hello i am rohullah living in turkey from afghanistan i am too that have friends from over the world.. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1188954 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rohsam FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T15:32:27Z IndexTAG: 323 TitleTAG: Hello from Bangladesh !!! Hi, I'm very exited about this Online Course. I have a long interest about History, basically Ancient or Old type of History. Hope, you all are also enjoy this amazing Course. Bayezid, University of Dhaka, Bangladesh. UserIdTAG: 1245827 UserNameTAG: Bayezid_88 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T10:38:12Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello to you in Bangladesh! Best wishes from Brooklyn! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T08:33:20Z IndexTAG: 324 TitleTAG: G'Day From Australia Very excited to be part of this odyssey! UserIdTAG: 1199055 UserNameTAG: murt CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T04:05:10Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 325 TitleTAG: greetingsFrom Greece Hello everyone... I am from Greece and I am so happy to have this group. I would like to ask about the sourcesbook and general e books.... Can we download them from here? UserIdTAG: 1241566 UserNameTAG: vasileios_dimoglidis CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T21:04:17Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Good morning Vasileios, this is Eirini from Naxos. Nice reading your post. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:43:13Z FirstChildTAG: Hi vaileios_dimoglidis, the Sourcebook and e-book will be available via the course website. We will make an announcement when they are uploaded. Thanks so much for enrolling! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T21:14:14Z FirstChildTAG: I am here, too! Hi everybody! Victoria FirstChildUserIdTAG: 185470 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vifo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T18:36:27Z IndexTAG: 326 TitleTAG: Hi everyone Hello everyone. I'm from Iran and I'm so happy to have this exciting course. UserIdTAG: 506433 UserNameTAG: Noushin CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T16:55:02Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi Noushin! Panos from Greece. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1166318 FirstChildUserNameTAG: panos19 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T18:34:29Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from your neighbor Armenia :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 966253 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SonaMito FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T19:09:34Z IndexTAG: 327 TitleTAG: Good Morning to all from a snowy Maine Nice to meet everyone, and I look forward to working with everyone UserIdTAG: 1067425 UserNameTAG: meadows2013 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:11:23Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Ah to be near Acadia! "Arcadia" derives from the Arcadia district in Greece which, since Classical antiquity, had the extended meanings of "refuge" or "idyllic place." Stay cozy up there! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T08:40:19Z IndexTAG: 328 TitleTAG: Hello from Estoril, Portugal! Looking forward to the course! UserIdTAG: 1066103 UserNameTAG: Lmalha CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:34:49Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: So far, two people from Portugal ... Hi there - Jose Pedro from Lisbon, Portugal FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1019947 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JosePedroMartins FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:59:57Z FirstChildTAG: Me three! From Vila Nova de Gaia - Portugal FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1059907 FirstChildUserNameTAG: c_quelhas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T16:33:17Z FirstChildTAG: Hello. Esposende speaking here. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1238127 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bpeixoto FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T21:22:53Z FirstChildTAG: Oh hello. Lisbon speaking here. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1238053 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jalexandre FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T20:29:54Z FirstChildTAG: hi! lisbon here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1174349 FirstChildUserNameTAG: thomyd FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T22:44:39Z IndexTAG: 329 TitleTAG: Hello from Washington DC Excited about this class. Can't wait! UserIdTAG: 869955 UserNameTAG: Odetta1961 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:15:39Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:21:36Z FirstChildTAG: Happy Washington's Birthday! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: chekov FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:49:51Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks SecondChildUserIdTAG: 869955 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Odetta1961 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T00:25:51Z FirstChildTAG: I live in DC--welcome to the group. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 869468 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CFArnold FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:38:42Z IndexTAG: 330 TitleTAG: Hello class Hi! My name is Gustavo, from Mexico city. I´m Graphic designer. I'm 24 years old. See ya. UserIdTAG: 1058991 UserNameTAG: Gustavovar CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:35:50Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Hello :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 966253 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SonaMito FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:38:47Z SecondChildTAG: :D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1058991 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Gustavovar SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:42:37Z SecondChildTAG: where are from? Just interesting to know :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 966253 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SonaMito SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:47:13Z SecondChildTAG: Mexico City :D and you? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1058991 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Gustavovar SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:58:09Z SecondChildTAG: I am from Yerevan, Armenia :) Nice to meet! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 966253 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SonaMito SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:00:02Z SecondChildTAG: Nice too met you to :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1058991 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Gustavovar SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:36:49Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Gustavo! I'm April and I live in Austin, Texas. Its a pleasure to meet you! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T23:04:22Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Gustavo! I'm from Mazatlán, Sinaloa but studying Industrial Design in Guadalajara, Jalisco, I was formerly studying Biomedical Engineering but that time expired, for saying. 21 years old... and a girl. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 148311 FirstChildUserNameTAG: narielg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:03:39Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:19:37Z IndexTAG: 331 TitleTAG: Hello everybody Hi everybody. My name is Nikola, and I study history on University of Belgrade. I'm 23 years old. I hope that we'll have great cooperation on this course. See ya.. UserIdTAG: 1194718 UserNameTAG: Joker11965 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T20:28:35Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi Nikola!! My name is Juan. I'm from Lima, Perú. Good wishes for you in this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1034604 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Juando FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:57:49Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Juando! Good to see some latins here. I'm from México. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 148311 SecondChildUserNameTAG: narielg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:04:59Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Nikola! I'm April and I live in Austin, Texas. I'm glad people seem to be interested in learning together! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T23:02:59Z IndexTAG: 332 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece A big hello for Greece. So excited about this course and looking forward to! UserIdTAG: 1235418 UserNameTAG: alexandrak01 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T15:16:32Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 8 FirstChildTAG: athens!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1171306 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nanak82 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T16:29:07Z FirstChildTAG: Arta here too! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 961439 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SanctusX FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T19:28:17Z FirstChildTAG: hi! i am from greece as well FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1218595 FirstChildUserNameTAG: markazaki FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T16:20:26Z FirstChildTAG: CRETE!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1135876 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PanosZer FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T16:23:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Thessaloniki! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 935487 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aristeagr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T17:45:08Z FirstChildTAG: Austin,Texas! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:17:48Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:16:53Z FirstChildTAG: Good morning from Naxos FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:41:10Z IndexTAG: 333 TitleTAG: Greetings from Peru Hello. My name is Norma and I'm excited to learn more about the classic Greek hero. UserIdTAG: 1068197 UserNameTAG: Normi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T14:07:06Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi!! I'm from Perú too :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1034604 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Juando FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T16:52:31Z SecondChildTAG: Great to find some Compatriotas in this course =) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 956012 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Magaly SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T19:23:20Z SecondChildTAG: Hello to you both! I'm not from Perú (I'm in Austin, Texas) but I'm ever so glad we're all here together! <3 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 SecondChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:10:58Z SecondChildTAG: Hi April. Nice to meet you SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1068197 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Normi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T22:58:53Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:16:25Z FirstChildTAG: Queridos amigos: Será un gusto conversar no solo en inglés sino en español con quienes deseen hacerlo. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1068197 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Normi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T23:01:18Z IndexTAG: 334 TitleTAG: Hi! From Spain ¡Hola! I am Cristina from Barcelona. I am very excited about this course! UserIdTAG: 991946 UserNameTAG: Crisfernang CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T11:23:47Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Benvinguda, Cristina. I'm also excited! Guillermo, from Madrid! Does anybody know for how long will it take? PD.- At www.coursera.org there is another course about Greek and Roman Mythology. I passed the previous edition. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 245066 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Shakesapple FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T12:09:00Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:13:53Z FirstChildTAG: Conectáos a FB y hablamos en: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#!/groups/579037368779644/ Ahí estamos ya muchos usando spanglish... Javier R FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1145164 FirstChildUserNameTAG: REBOM58 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T17:08:20Z FirstChildTAG: Hola people, nice to read you!! Carlos from Málaga FirstChildUserIdTAG: 950599 FirstChildUserNameTAG: germanius FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:53:13Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Cristina! I'm April from Austin, Texas. I'm excited too, I'm glad it seems like so many people are! That should make it even more enjoyable. <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:50:36Z IndexTAG: 335 TitleTAG: Good Stuff It's truly wonderful the number and various locations of us students. I was born in Ft. Smith NWT Canada and grew up in Halifax Nova Scotia Canada. I now live in Morgan City Louisiana USA. Have worked all over the world in the oil field. Now on a undersea gas pipeline inspection project in the Sea of Marmara,Turkey off the coast of Istanbul.So let the learning begin. Remember if the student has not learned the teacher has not taught. Knowledge is power. I'm on Facebook UserIdTAG: 1187569 UserNameTAG: bram007 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T10:54:36Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:13:39Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Bram! Its amazing how broad the origin of our fellow classmates spreads, isn't it!? I'm excited! I'm glad you're with us! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:55:34Z IndexTAG: 336 TitleTAG: 新年好 from a Brit in Shanghai, China Although I studied philosophy at University, our primary lecturer for The Ancient Greeks went on research leave for three years - the duration of my degree. In turn I have never been guided through this discipline even though I have made attempts to do my own reading in this area. I am thrilled to have found this course and I am so thankful to the University for taking the initiative to make this education available to all! Josephine UserIdTAG: 1061632 UserNameTAG: JosephineRuoShan CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T05:15:03Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:27:06Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Nick. I have joined the community. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 964828 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nphuyal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T08:22:43Z IndexTAG: 337 TitleTAG: Hello from Mexico City to the word I'm very exiting to start the course, for me this course is like an incredible trip to the past that I will never forget. UserIdTAG: 1118353 UserNameTAG: Claudia14 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T04:39:33Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:27:17Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Claudia! I am also Mexican :D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1058991 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Gustavovar SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:38:28Z IndexTAG: 338 TitleTAG: Kia ora from New Zealand Hi all, I am Classical Studies teacher in New Zealand, really looking forward to this course and some interesting discussion. UserIdTAG: 1028254 UserNameTAG: somegirlinnz CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T03:38:00Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:27:40Z FirstChildTAG: Where in NZ are you from? My sister is studying in Dunedin! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 992689 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jordanws FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T11:18:54Z FirstChildTAG: Kia ora from Wellington, NZ. Not a classicist anymore, but looking forward to brushing up on my Classics with this paper. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 990753 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Shellauw FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T10:26:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, i am Marietta and i am from Greece/Athens, i will be in Wellington for 2 nights from 17th March(arriving in the afternoon, and staying at kingsgate hotel, te next i will have a half day tour). If you think that we may meet each other to talk -even if will be for a while- about this course, i will be happy. KIA ORA FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1143228 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MARDRI FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:13:40Z IndexTAG: 339 TitleTAG: The Ancient Greek Hero Hello from Australia to a United Nations of fellow students! UserIdTAG: 968493 UserNameTAG: Antea CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T22:33:07Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:29:38Z IndexTAG: 340 TitleTAG: Greetings from Greece Hello fellow students and CB22x team! First of all, I want to express my enthusiasm and gratitude for this course. A brilliant professor, magnificent texts, interested and interesting students from around the globe, I am looking forward to attending it! UserIdTAG: 225142 UserNameTAG: amiralouf CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:31:34Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear amiralouf, Thank you for these very kind words! Prof. Nagy is so excited to begin reading and learning with you and the rest of our community here! All the best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T15:12:49Z IndexTAG: 341 TitleTAG: Hello from Colombia !! Lets enjoy this journey ... David C UserIdTAG: 1215424 UserNameTAG: dfcuellar CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:22:01Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Colombia rocks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1149461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fvillabon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T16:46:43Z IndexTAG: 342 TitleTAG: Want to get started, can we have some materials please? Now you've whetted our appetite for the syllabus it would be great to get going on the course book and other materials. Any chance they could be loaded up? If they already have could someone tell me where? Jonathan UserIdTAG: 907803 UserNameTAG: Jonagold CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:11:20Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: i totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1218595 FirstChildUserNameTAG: markazaki FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:28:06Z FirstChildTAG: Yes, so do I. I'd like to start reading something more than greeting messages even if they are so very nice. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1092515 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ANTONIETA FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T22:15:05Z FirstChildTAG: If you want to get a jump on reading, some of the texts like the BUTLER translations (that are mentioned in the syllabus) of The Iliad and The Odyssey are available in the Gutenberg.org but without the guidance of the textbook it might lead to some confusion. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 683432 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rhernandez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:04:04Z FirstChildTAG: I found this, from the Facebook group page https://attachment.fbsbx.com/file_download.php?id=214711208674044&eid=ASuatxsNk_JWL6e-gMWfafg68NHvpYukW7SVqxjacaCneineSW_6IalY9YOIb9ZGV4Y&ext=1361016347&hash=ASt5_mA-h_Oq7ZRk FirstChildUserIdTAG: 907803 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jonagold FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T12:07:43Z FirstChildTAG: Read the Syllabus and the Advice for Students well. Original and English texts in small chunks, dictionaries, background works, art, a crazy amount of reliable data: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/ Center for Hellenic Studies useful links collection: http://chs.harvard.edu/wb/1/wo/SJ19fU2fDzbytoSwYGn23g/0.0.0.0.19.1.7.15.1.1.0.1.2.0.2.1.3.3.1 The older version of this course (please note that opinions and translations may have changed since): http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/index.html FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:04:16Z SecondChildTAG: http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.4324 Universal Properties of Mythological Networks by Pádraig Mac Carron and Ralph Kenna SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T08:23:56Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone, I found this: http://kleos.chs.harvard.edu/?p=220 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1227255 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ria4 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T10:18:37Z IndexTAG: 343 TitleTAG: Greetings from Slovenia I am sooo excited and can´t wait for this course to get started!! Good luck to all! =) UserIdTAG: 1183169 UserNameTAG: anja_jerovsek CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T20:44:04Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Glej no, še ena... :-D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 683550 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Athena125 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T22:44:49Z IndexTAG: 344 TitleTAG: Hello From Orlando, Florida So excited to be part of this class. UserIdTAG: 1101102 UserNameTAG: valwech CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:25:26Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hey I'm in Winter Park! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 377574 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JenAl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T18:53:49Z FirstChildTAG: I am in Orlando too!! So looking forward to this class! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 972125 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mapis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T04:41:08Z IndexTAG: 345 TitleTAG: Hello From Colombia greetings to all the heroes who accepted the challenge to learn from the ancient greek culture, expresssed in the mythical characters we are going to analyze ..... UserIdTAG: 1022042 UserNameTAG: darichesa CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:05:57Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I see some colombians here that's nice, I'm from Colombia too! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1149461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: fvillabon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T16:48:11Z FirstChildTAG: I am from Colombia too! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1267634 FirstChildUserNameTAG: betoinc FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T16:50:03Z IndexTAG: 346 TitleTAG: A lot of thanks to Dr.Nagy I have just finished reading the Advice to students and very thankful for such detailed explanation of everything!I really like to read slowly myself even if I can read less!I'm really glad that some people support in this!Especially in Greek Literature I think we need to relish each word! UserIdTAG: 909575 UserNameTAG: allasobirova CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:55:32Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear allasobirova, thank you for enrolling and for this very kind note! Prof. Nagy is honored to have the opportunity to read with this amazing group!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T19:43:14Z IndexTAG: 347 TitleTAG: Thank you! In advance to those responsible for EdX, classmates from all over the world, our professors...Thank you... UserIdTAG: 1229212 UserNameTAG: mobmarshall CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:28:24Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: In appreciation I second that! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:17:30Z IndexTAG: 348 TitleTAG: Hello from Germany I´m studying History for a BA degree in Trier and I think it will be very interesting and informative to learn about ancient greek mythologie in this international group. UserIdTAG: 1063624 UserNameTAG: MarkusD83 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:53:15Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Markus. I live in Berlin but spent many years in Rheinland-Pfalz. I actually did a one-man-show for the Amphitheatre in Trier called "Gladiator Valerius", and which is still playing :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ku0WljFnYI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoVsButkJwc Have fun in this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T08:20:48Z IndexTAG: 349 TitleTAG: How'd you learn about Edx? I saw it on a facebook sidebar. I don't usually clinic on those, but I had to see how I could get free classes in the middle of no where. UserIdTAG: 1138297 UserNameTAG: AndiHall CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:15:31Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 49 FirstChildTAG: Listening music on AccuRadio. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1157346 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rujerez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:32:56Z SecondChildTAG: Ditto SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1192696 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CGV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:08:12Z SecondChildTAG: Through a post on Facebook by the New York Times journalist Nocholas Kristof. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T22:56:09Z SecondChildTAG: Same here SecondChildUserIdTAG: 933696 SecondChildUserNameTAG: menugirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T09:40:39Z SecondChildTAG: Accuradio that is. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 933696 SecondChildUserNameTAG: menugirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T09:41:01Z SecondChildTAG: Listening to AccuRadio, too. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 983580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LailsonHolanda SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:45:14Z SecondChildTAG: Nicholas Kristof's FB page mentioned a different course, I looked into it and discovered THIS course! Can't wait :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1182995 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Karunda SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T14:48:42Z SecondChildTAG: St Paul Pioneer Press newspaper in Minnesota. Yah. Ya betcha. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T22:46:52Z SecondChildTAG: From a friend. LouR SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1203963 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LouR SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T23:35:59Z SecondChildTAG: my professor in biology introduced this to us. he wants us (his students) to take biology, but i prefer ancient greek hero, because i love literature. :) i really love it! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1321755 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JunaJane SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T12:55:17Z SecondChildTAG: I am looking for a free online course...so I search Google and that's where I about learned Edx. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1041173 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jobusta SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T03:41:26Z SecondChildTAG: My school (I'm from Belgium) sent a link to the site Edx. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1359269 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EllenVR SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T15:01:28Z SecondChildTAG: Socrates Academy SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1316040 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Kallyko SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T01:57:42Z SecondChildTAG: I was looking for some articles about Homer`s Troy because I have to write an essay on that subject. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1336310 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nina_nina SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T00:53:43Z SecondChildTAG: In a newsletter from my daughter's school. My daughter attends a Greek immersion charter school. I have also taken about 4 semesters of Greek. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1292863 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JAlford SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T01:48:56Z SecondChildTAG: I saw it an ad. I had seen the idea of online classes for a few months but life had been too hectic to pursue the thought. When I saw the ad again, I was quick to click on it. So glad I did! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1311707 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CamilleH SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T20:36:07Z SecondChildTAG: I learned about edx.org from the american edition of ELLE magazine (paper). Regards, Penny Tsakiridou SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1070920 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pen09 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T14:38:41Z FirstChildTAG: On a english proficiency exam. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1014619 FirstChildUserNameTAG: lana01 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:35:14Z FirstChildTAG: a reddit thread about free education FirstChildUserIdTAG: 973040 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mqadri1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:00:06Z FirstChildTAG: on line. Someone mentioned courseware and here I am FirstChildUserIdTAG: 462642 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ANDYFLOG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:36:48Z SecondChildTAG: ditto. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1217288 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MikkiSantiago SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T16:11:11Z FirstChildTAG: My spouse took an online course from MIT this last term, and so I got to hear about all of the new classes that were being offered, and I was very intrigued by this one in particular! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914394 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:13:29Z FirstChildTAG: i was searching for a sleek and free way to educate more so my sister told me about this and think to my self why not lets give it chance...;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1191023 FirstChildUserNameTAG: masar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:49:36Z FirstChildTAG: I read about it in my daily newspaper, Deseret News, in an article "Measuring what we learn is key to reforming education system", by Timothy R Clark. He also mentioned "Kahn Academy" and "Kidaptive", which his children use. I believe he is correct when he states that there is a need for a "global educational unit", or GEU, "a credential that is universally acknowledged as official currency and can be used as tender anywhere -- on any subject and on any level, from K-Ph.D." What an exciting time we live in! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1230488 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GrammaLipgloss FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:50:02Z FirstChildTAG: We recently became full time RVers and during my research I a book called "RV Living is a Cool, Smart way to Live, Work & Play". This was one of the sources that was listed. Very exciting. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T22:09:13Z SecondChildTAG: A Grey Nomad! This is quite a phenomenon in Australia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897688 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexandraroach SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T00:41:51Z FirstChildTAG: index.hu last year wrote about the predecessor of edX, that is MITx, joined, and living my free time here since. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:08:52Z FirstChildTAG: I was on biography.com and saw the ad for edx. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1162314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmyIniguez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T05:20:37Z FirstChildTAG: It was on Lifehacker or Gizmodo, can't remember which now. Very excited to find it! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 992689 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jordanws FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T11:27:59Z FirstChildTAG: Through a post on facebook by the New York Times journalist Nicholas Kristof. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T12:20:29Z SecondChildTAG: I also learned about this, I guess indirectly, from Nicholas Kristof. I follow Half The Sky on G+ and they posted a link to a course on global poverty, and here I am in a course on the ancient Greek hero. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1179669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SavannahG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:33:49Z SecondChildTAG: Precisely! Inspiring journalist, Kristof. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T03:57:09Z SecondChildTAG: By the way, you can also suscribe to his personal page directly: https://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/kristof?fref=ts SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T08:09:04Z FirstChildTAG: Through an MIT alumni email FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1096360 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Juanitabrown FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:09:04Z SecondChildTAG: That's why we bump into your well-meaning help in every corner! :) Home, sweet home. :) Thank you for the spirit! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T06:03:01Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, there are several women from the MIT class of 1965 taking this class. We found it independently. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 161978 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T03:34:06Z FirstChildTAG: I'm from Mexico and was studyding Biomedical Engineering.. then one day a fellow partner from the faculty told me about an MIT online course about electronic, but at that time it was too late to start the course (it was about 1 year ago), so I have been checking the edX page since then. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 148311 FirstChildUserNameTAG: narielg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:50:25Z FirstChildTAG: i couldn't remember exactly where i found about Edx but i sure it came up by web surfing and i found lots of online course from best universities completely free. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1123917 FirstChildUserNameTAG: minSTreL FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T18:26:52Z SecondChildTAG: Surfing for me, too. It was an advert on the side of a blog page. I clicked on it, and here I am! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1396285 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Phorcys SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T14:29:46Z FirstChildTAG: Lifehacker.com FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35612 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SLWilliams01 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T13:31:05Z FirstChildTAG: from a facebook page called Έρρωσο. I feel lucky xD FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1258243 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Myrtida FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T16:25:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone. I learn about EdX from an article in the New York Times. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 861599 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nam2point0 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T18:16:52Z FirstChildTAG: It was pointed out ot us from a supervisor of a postgratude degree in the Open University of Cyprus. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282021 FirstChildUserNameTAG: samkon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:30:28Z FirstChildTAG: I received an e-mail from UC Berkeley, a member of the "X University" Consortium, whose motto is: Let there be light. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T05:41:43Z FirstChildTAG: Saw an ad on the Onion's website. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1213334 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jdworrall FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T18:55:06Z FirstChildTAG: my mother read it in some women magazine, she told me to look into it,even tho I did not bealive it, you see me here that means in the end I started believing :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1290633 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Vojin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T00:35:27Z FirstChildTAG: The university of Pireus emailed it to my sister, she told me and here I am!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1329628 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KateKent FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T14:41:11Z FirstChildTAG: Jim W I always wanted to take a course from Harvard and checked to see if that was possible without matriculating in a program. I found EDx. Perfect. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 917609 FirstChildUserNameTAG: waterson FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T20:03:14Z FirstChildTAG: One day, just for fun, I googled for Harvard courses. Since I was a teenager I wanted to go to Harvard, because where I am coming from, it is *the* synonym of US high-class university education. Therefore I was so thrilled when I learnt about edX. When then in December the Heroes were announced, I enrolled right away. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 844461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sandra1306 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T16:28:22Z FirstChildTAG: I was searching for interesting material for my new philology website and I bumped into this.. I could'nt be luckier!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1325569 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sofiakam FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T09:38:08Z FirstChildTAG: My Greek language professor sent me the link. I'm so very grateful she did! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1358512 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SteffaniMK FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:25:13Z FirstChildTAG: From my facebook page I subscribe to many fields of interest and the Greek Reporter posted all the information and a link to the on line course. Thank you FB and Greek reporter FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1346784 FirstChildUserNameTAG: delphiniasalamin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T17:01:28Z FirstChildTAG: I learned about edX thanks to a post on Duolingo's discussion board. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1304290 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rheari FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T00:38:50Z FirstChildTAG: Just by accident read an article on bbc mobile site while flying for summer vacations! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 204291 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dr_butoros FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T20:49:43Z FirstChildTAG: An article on a local newspaper that was precisely about the opportunities mayor universities were giving students all over the word to learn on line, I register right at that moment. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 26776 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aleguillen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T22:11:41Z FirstChildTAG: Hi AndiHall, I was pointed to it by a good friend of mine on Facebook. -Aaron Hill FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1136204 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aaronhhill FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T07:53:51Z FirstChildTAG: BBC news FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1065630 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BLBarber FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T21:14:49Z FirstChildTAG: this was mentioned in our class forum on Greek Mythology (U Penn) via Coursera. I trust quite a few of my classmates from that class are registered for this as well. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 946860 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gustane FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:16:50Z FirstChildTAG: I learned about EdX last october. I am not to sure where I learned it. On the internet. I think I was searching for something else and on the search page was a link to edX FirstChildUserIdTAG: 263446 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Riverdaughter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T09:05:35Z FirstChildTAG: This article in the UK's Guardian online first attracted me. I'd used the OUs OpenLearn with some students a few years ago and love the idea of MOOCs http://www.guardian.co.uk/higher-education-network/blog/2012/aug/08/mooc-coursera-higher-education-investment FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1372483 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PeterKeyse FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T09:07:51Z FirstChildTAG: I'd first heard about edX in an article my father forwarded to me, but back then they didn't offer anything that I was interested in. But because of that initial knowledge of it, I clicked on a sidebar ad when it came up, something which I would otherwise never have done. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1009273 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VEVancollie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T01:13:21Z FirstChildTAG: A friend and a Edx alumni told me about it. She speaks highly of the courses and I look forward to spreadign the good word also! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1308341 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BriePlum FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T13:28:12Z FirstChildTAG: I learned about it through media reports regarding the MIT/Harvard announcement. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 949308 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CSMBSMU FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T20:40:15Z FirstChildTAG: random websurfing... i feel like I won the lottery. edx is one of the greatest resources I've ever found online, if not THE greatest. -Omar FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1398310 FirstChildUserNameTAG: oyb142 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T16:15:12Z FirstChildTAG: I learned about Edx via email by my University, University of the Aegean. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1371672 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VayaSarri FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T09:57:51Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I discovered this course on the L.A. Times website. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 956149 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kcabel11 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T03:52:44Z FirstChildTAG: I signed up for free classes at Alison.com but was looking for something more. Google found this for me. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1077943 FirstChildUserNameTAG: suspreena FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T03:05:16Z FirstChildTAG: I na Harvard Gazzette FirstChildUserIdTAG: 999455 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LILIANA1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T13:22:08Z FirstChildTAG: Last week there was an article in the Norwegian newspaper "Aftenposten" about MOOC and Edx. I thought it was to good to be true, but it wasn't, and here I am. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1423155 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Elsebeth FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T21:04:00Z FirstChildTAG: One of my friends in the book club I belong to was talking about free online courses and, among the other websites mentioned, this was one of them. This seemed pretty interesting! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1393744 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AmandaBrainard FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T00:18:06Z FirstChildTAG: When I purchased my iPad mini a little over a month ago at the local AT&T store (for the service), the manager told me his brother worked at the nearby hospital after I told him that I worked there as well. So the next day I happen to catch his brother, who works perdiem, and told him about meeting his brother the day before. This chance encounter of the brother was serendipitous, because he is currently enrolled at Columbia, and he was only down (at the Jersey shore) for a few days while visiting family between semesters to get some work in as a nursing assistant before he went back to school. So when I was talking to one of the nurses, he happened to overhear me telling her that I write stories and he was very interested in what I wrote about. And that's when I told him about me buying the iPad from his brother the day before. (Sorry, but I love to end my sentences a lot of times with prepositions haha?!). Anyhow, he was in the midst of showing one of the nurses Edx online, and my mind was blown away. So when I discovered this course in particular "The Ancient Greek Hero", I quickly fell in thrall with the subject matter, because I have always loved the Homerics ever since I read them back in the 80's. Listening to Prof Nagy speak about the course material and how to approach it via Nietsche's 'goldsmithery' approach lifts me up out of the ordinary like listening to a mass in Latin rather than English (not that I can understand Latin, but I'm sure you catch my drift). I feel like I am in one of Joseph Campbell's venerated classes from back in the day. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1246056 FirstChildUserNameTAG: neil923 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T15:18:10Z FirstChildTAG: My Gifted and Talented instructor introduced us to Edx and encouraged us to try it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 766909 FirstChildUserNameTAG: iHeartGlitter22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T21:31:47Z FirstChildTAG: Random websurfing. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1480911 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MariaNogueira FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-29T17:06:09Z IndexTAG: 350 TitleTAG: Hello from Pennsylvania I have recently retired from Penn State faculty and take this opportunity to follow up on a literature that I have wanted to read since an undergraduate at the U of W. Participating in this group should be rewarding. Best to all of you. UserIdTAG: 1096360 UserNameTAG: Juanitabrown CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:52:21Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Philly! I am in between university and medical school applications. It is nice to study something different in between MCAT prep sessions. I studied history at university and took one class on Greek Lit, which I massively enjoyed. I am looking forward to the beginning of this course. Cheers! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 973040 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mqadri1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:04:29Z SecondChildTAG: We will have to see how this compares to MCAT -- a different type of reading for sure. I just finished a short course on the Aeneid so I have had a lot of preping about heroes. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1096360 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Juanitabrown SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:19:40Z IndexTAG: 351 TitleTAG: Hello from Colombia (SA) Hi everybody. Why do I choose this course instead of other from Edx? At the beginning, I wanted to go to Harvard, now I made it, after 60 years. I choose this course because I think a good way to learn is through reading stories. Then I feel happy to see how different persons from all over the world think about the same story. Why this happens? What does it tell me? Looking forward to listen. Orlando UserIdTAG: 1061478 UserNameTAG: oraguil52 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:21:10Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I'm very pleased to meet another from Colombia here! Greetings. Frey Narváez (Marinilla, Antioquia) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228686 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Freynarvaez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:05:51Z SecondChildTAG: we're a few now, I'm also from Colombia, Bogota! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1149461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: fvillabon SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T16:49:13Z IndexTAG: 352 TitleTAG: Hi from Atlanta, Georgia Hi everyone! I'm beyond excited to be taking this course and I look forward to getting to know as many of you as possible. UserIdTAG: 972554 UserNameTAG: WilletteCapers CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:15:08Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 353 TitleTAG: i4x = ? = Aias = Ajax => Cohort name ? I mean, the first (big, rubricated) letters often are faded or left out because of unfinishedness. And the mix of two forms of something is usual. Or is it the figment of my imagination? Technical: If I click on my username in one of my topics or responses, then I get to the list of what I said in the specific class forum. That works for both this and the AI forum. If I click on the View thread under the listed topic, then I don't get the topic, but the discussion board with no thread selected. In AI I get the selected thread. Edit: OK, I'm stupid, I should have known the form of Aiax too. Edit2: Thought that, because this thread has the url : https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/511e3761abf92128000000b9 and in this, in the middle, there is "i4x" that I couldn't decode in any other way. All the other words in the URL are understandable. UserIdTAG: 35575 UserNameTAG: Justagirl CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:25:53Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello just a girl, Thanks for all the above info about the the threads- it has been very useful, for me. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T01:07:06Z IndexTAG: 354 TitleTAG: Hello from Guildford, United Kingdom Hi I'm looking forward to learning about Greek Heroes and getting my brain cells working again... it's been a while! UserIdTAG: 1084424 UserNameTAG: SharonGrafton CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:44:42Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi... isn't Guildford where Ford Prefect is from? :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 972803 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pathos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:03:45Z IndexTAG: 355 TitleTAG: Hello from Massachusetts USA! Looking forward to enjoying this discussion with everyone! UserIdTAG: 1138791 UserNameTAG: KMarieH CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:43:56Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 356 TitleTAG: Hello from France Hy everyone I'm a French student and I love the antiquity history. I hope this course will teach me a lot of things that I don't know. I'm happy to follow a course with different students who come from different countries. UserIdTAG: 1094366 UserNameTAG: ptitcoq CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:39:01Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi, I also know very little about ancient Greek history. I hope to learn many things from edX team and fellow student. I wish you for the successful completion of this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 964828 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nphuyal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:16:50Z IndexTAG: 357 TitleTAG: Hi from London Hi, I'm very happy to have this opportunity to learn together with so many other students about the Greek classics. I'm grateful at the chance to benefit from the knowledge of one of the best academic institutions in the world. Best wishes to all. UserIdTAG: 1083795 UserNameTAG: Rafie CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:37:47Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 358 TitleTAG: A Greek in Switzerland :) Kalimera se olous - I am Eleni and I live in Zurich for quite some years. Looking forward to refresh my Ancient Greek knowledge! Take care wherever you all Greek heros :) UserIdTAG: 1008471 UserNameTAG: Elma13 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:20:00Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: hi eleni :) greetings from Athens - FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:03:12Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Mirtozoi, I hope to learn many things from you about ancient Greek History and its heroes. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 964828 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nphuyal SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:19:10Z SecondChildTAG: we will all learn together from prof. Nagy! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:27:11Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Mirtozoi and Eleni. My name is Dimitra, I am from Greece (currently living in Crete) and I am an Archaeologist. I am looking forward both for attending the course and meeting people we can share the same interests. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:39:38Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Eleni, I am another Eleni from Australia! welcome aboard! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:25:58Z IndexTAG: 359 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece!!! Hi to everyone!!!!!!!!!I'm from Athens. Olga UserIdTAG: 1193566 UserNameTAG: tsiapiolgk CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:15:49Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 360 TitleTAG: Hello from Spain!!! I´m very pleased to see there are students from all over the world. We have plenty of anonymous heroes here in Spain, but my favourite ancient one is ANNIBAL, thoug he is not greek ... Regina UserIdTAG: 1125130 UserNameTAG: REGINA66 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:05:36Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Barak. Indeed! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 185733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ipezzei FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:08:25Z FirstChildTAG: Well i use this poste to say that i'm also from Spain, specifically from Madrid. I love everthing related to the ancient culture. I'm looking fordward to begin this amazing course!! Rubén FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1213921 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ruben92 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:12:05Z IndexTAG: 361 TitleTAG: Have a nice day Good morning I'm from Barcelona, Spain. I'm really excited because professor Nagy is one of the best specialists in mithology all over the world. I'm teacher of latin and ancient greek languages in a High School. See you soon! Guillem UserIdTAG: 736367 UserNameTAG: guillemcintas CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:28:43Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Spain :) we have been recently very touched by a fantastic " Gracias Grecia" spanish video which you can view here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc9RnwPXoJ0&feature=share - so thank you all for the great support you've given us FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:11:34Z IndexTAG: 362 TitleTAG: Hi All I am ignorant on Greek mythology. I grew up reading Ramayana and Mahabharatha (although I am in Indian Christian). So I am familiar with Indian Mythology. I love reading, and often when Greek Characters are mentioned in a book, I have to google... So here I am. I am not sure how much time I can dedicate. But will try my best to read through the course material. Thanks a lot for this open source effort!! Shalet From Gent, Belgium. UserIdTAG: 157373 UserNameTAG: Varghese CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:27:39Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: hi to all FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1062974 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maisur FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:33:49Z FirstChildTAG: I'm in Brussels myself, looking forward to the course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 986728 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Redtooth FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:29:50Z FirstChildTAG: Hey there, I have been an ardent student of philanthropy for about 13 years now. Having studied Pure Science, being from a Hindu family, I converted to Buddhism in the year 2000. I have been studying ancient religious philosophy and mythology since 2000. I am highly interested in ancient civilization and their social conditioning. I am a full time content writer living in Kolkata now. I am looking forward to this course as it will help my interest in iconology, architecture, museum study and ancient history and civilization. Please help me with any information on how to apply for a degree in Museology from Harvard University if there are any from the said field. I am actually looking forward to studying Museology from Harvard as a regular student with full scholarship. Thank you for giving me this platform which can help me probably meet my dreams. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1224286 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kulavadhuta123 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:14:09Z IndexTAG: 363 TitleTAG: greetings hi there!I'm from South Africa and I can't wait to begin!!! UserIdTAG: 740402 UserNameTAG: isabelrudo CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:48:11Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Same here! This is Emy from the Philippines. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1162314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmyIniguez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:07:16Z IndexTAG: 364 TitleTAG: Greetings from China Hi there, I am from China, now study in HK! Last year I have taken a course about Greek and Roman mytholody, which was very fascinating and inspired me a lot. I wanna learn more about the ancient Greek heroes, can't wait to study with all you guys! UserIdTAG: 1034279 UserNameTAG: JoelleCheng CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:45:21Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi I'm in Hong Kong too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1012556 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TONY64 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:40:29Z SecondChildTAG: I'm in Shenzhen. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1196976 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JordanCormier SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T15:34:03Z IndexTAG: 365 TitleTAG: Hello everyone Hi i am ashutosh from india, i am a mechnical engineering student but i am very interested to learn and know things about ancient histories, technologies etc.I will enjoy it. UserIdTAG: 1056337 UserNameTAG: Ashutosh_panigrahi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:17:39Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 366 TitleTAG: Hello Everyone Peru My name is Angie, I'm from Peru, I think this is a good opportunity to learn!!! UserIdTAG: 1078914 UserNameTAG: Goycochea CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:58:19Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Angie, I am Olga from Athens Greece. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1193566 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tsiapiolgk FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:00:49Z IndexTAG: 367 TitleTAG: Greetings from Indonesia Hi All, I'm from Jakarta, Indonesia It's great to take an online course, and this the first time for me I hope i can keep up this course well By the way, is there anyone here who comes from the same country with me? Cheers, Catherine UserIdTAG: 985170 UserNameTAG: magnificath CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:16:50Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Yes I am. My name is Jonathan and I am from Jakarta, Indonesia as well. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1154586 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jonhardjopranoto FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:30:00Z SecondChildTAG: hi, I'm glad to find a friend from the same country Nice to see you SecondChildUserIdTAG: 985170 SecondChildUserNameTAG: magnificath SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:27:18Z SecondChildTAG: Hello... I am from Solo... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 964025 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Xuehoa SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T01:21:27Z IndexTAG: 368 TitleTAG: Hello From Rhode Island So....any others from the biggest little in this class? UserIdTAG: 1185569 UserNameTAG: GBliss CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:11:39Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Nope, but I did enjoy my visit to Providence last August! Such a pretty town! Came down to see a concert and stayed and did some touristy stuff. It was great! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914394 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:09:06Z SecondChildTAG: I don't live in Rhode Island now, but I did for four years in college. I love Providence! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 890680 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jeanne_Burke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:38:24Z SecondChildTAG: Yesss! A fellow Rhode Islander! Hi! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1005760 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HJCSeven SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T03:49:05Z IndexTAG: 369 TitleTAG: Vancouver BC Canada Hello, I am a Interactive Design fulltime student residing in Vancouver, British Columbia. I've been feeling reluctant on enrolling these free courses organized by Harvard, MIT, and Berkley because of it's elite status, and it's standards and course work load but I've mustered up the courage to try it out, roll with it and see how difficult/fun it is. I've always wanted to take up Hellenistic studies. :) Looking forward, Angel UserIdTAG: 254329 UserNameTAG: Nomster24 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:09:40Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear Angel, we are so glad that you enrolled! It does take courage to try new things and we are inspired by the stories we are reading here. You can do this! And please know that there will be plenty of support to help you along. We hope you enjoy the class!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T19:27:02Z IndexTAG: 370 TitleTAG: Greetings from Pennsylvania! Hello everyone! I'm a single Dad who feels the need to jump start my brain. I'm looking forward to stretching myself and learning about new (to me) worlds. UserIdTAG: 1012349 UserNameTAG: OxfordMick CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:40:05Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello !!!! I´m also looking forward to know more about new worlds hehe, that is one of the reasons because I decided to take this course . What is your name? I was living in Pennsylvania some years ago and I´m still missing Bethlehem,Allentown,Media,Philly etc. Lluvia :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 957972 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lluvia79 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:40:46Z FirstChildTAG: I thought that the world is full of single mothers! Welcome! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1293126 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Marystrat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T01:40:01Z IndexTAG: 371 TitleTAG: Greetings from Portugal! Acknowledgements to Harvard University for this initiative and best greetings to the thousands of worldwide classmates! S. UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:08:22Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 372 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece Hey...My name is Sofia and i m studying history and archaeology in Athens!i m really excited for this course and of course for meeting all those people here!!! Looking forward to start... Bye :) UserIdTAG: 1138636 UserNameTAG: sofia22 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:01:26Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hey!My name is Glykeria and I live in Athens too... Nice to meet you here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1080582 FirstChildUserNameTAG: corneliahale FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:48:14Z SecondChildTAG: Γεια σου Γλυκερια!Χαιρομαι πολυ που σε γνωριζω και βρισκω και αλλους Ελληνες σ αυτο το "σεμιναριο". Χθες ειναι η αληθεια οταν μπηκα δεν ηταν κανεις και απογοητευτηκα λιγο, αλλα σημερα που ειδα τοσο ενδιαφερον αντισταρφηκαν τα συναισθηματα...Καλη μας αρχη!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1138636 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sofia22 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:38:20Z IndexTAG: 373 TitleTAG: G'day from Ibaraki, Japan! I tried reading *The Iliad*, the Chapman translation, on my late night commute home on the train. It was heavy going; I even missed my stop once! Then I tried the Pope translation, and was immediately hooked! UserIdTAG: 1094002 UserNameTAG: phillipotake CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:48:41Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: おはようから横浜！ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 390748 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RaynoG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:06:03Z IndexTAG: 374 TitleTAG: Hello from Melbourne, Australia Ready to start this course! Are there any other Aussies here ? UserIdTAG: 1064615 UserNameTAG: bkilby CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:24:02Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 10 FirstChildTAG: Yes, I live in Melbourne FirstChildUserIdTAG: 947323 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Eureka43 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:17:56Z FirstChildTAG: Yes, one here, but I live in Japan! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1094002 FirstChildUserNameTAG: phillipotake FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:49:47Z FirstChildTAG: Not Aussie, but living in Melbourne. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026829 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EvieCat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:07:03Z FirstChildTAG: yes- from Canberra FirstChildUserIdTAG: 952111 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Cellis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:28:41Z FirstChildTAG: Yes - but living in London! Lived in Melbourne back in 1999. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 791250 FirstChildUserNameTAG: marcusjroberts FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:41:39Z FirstChildTAG: yes I am an Aussie Greek, living in Adelaide Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:46:54Z FirstChildTAG: Yes - Im Sydneyside though. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1192355 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AngusBlackmore FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T23:51:09Z FirstChildTAG: Yes I live in Melbourne, we're rather interested in heroes and the Ancient world here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 920270 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jnorman FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:18:53Z FirstChildTAG: Yo I'm from Melbourne too! Studying at RMIT in the city. What's is everyone's background? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 897688 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Alexandraroach FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T00:45:49Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Also from Melbourne. I'd be keen to discuss the course with other participants at some point. Cheers Anthony FirstChildUserIdTAG: 901393 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AnthonyRea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T13:20:26Z IndexTAG: 375 TitleTAG: Hey, good to see you again You know, having the gift of seeing the future, I've already gotten in touch with all of you in the other dimension. I hope we also get along pretty well in this one. Here talks Julia, from Brazil. If this ofends any religion, please inform me urgently! UserIdTAG: 1222688 UserNameTAG: Julinha CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:21:26Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Espertinha. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1025883 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maria_alves FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:08:59Z FirstChildTAG: I'm pretty sure we wioll haven be good classmates. I guess this is how Douglas Adams would say Dr. Streetmentioner's grammar book says is the correct form… FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1097922 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BRonka FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T02:21:41Z IndexTAG: 376 TitleTAG: hi-ancient greek heros Hi from Bergen County New Jersey. So, how does this cohort thing work? Does anybody know? Looking forward to class. Janet UserIdTAG: 202747 UserNameTAG: janeti18 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:10:03Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I am not sure, but some one suggested that this might be our cohort. but we don't have a name, so we cannot be certain. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 925287 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zimia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:22:28Z SecondChildTAG: Maybe we can choose our own greek hero name!? =D. Greetings from Venezuela SecondChildUserIdTAG: 88189 SecondChildUserNameTAG: freddysuarez SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:09:38Z SecondChildTAG: Doubtful but that would be intriguingly interactive wouldn't it! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:31:16Z FirstChildTAG: NEW JERSEY!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 418933 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JessLev FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:17:46Z IndexTAG: 377 TitleTAG: hello from Johns Hopkins University! I am a freshman classics major at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, MD. I look forward to this class and meeting all of you!! UserIdTAG: 1009122 UserNameTAG: Edwinap CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:24:23Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Good luck to you...my undergrad major was classics...I loved it! You will have a blast! With smiles, SamanthaEve FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1222095 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SamanthaEve FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:03:50Z FirstChildTAG: How lucky you people both are to have majored in classics! I my love for the subject too late to study it full time! Enjoy it and have fun! Pete FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1207081 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pjoseph FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:29:21Z IndexTAG: 378 TitleTAG: Hello from Messini, Greece Hello to all. I am very happy to spend my time in this course. UserIdTAG: 361393 UserNameTAG: Linak CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:08:51Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hello linak i'm in archaeology, studying (some of) the famous castles of your region, methoni and koroni. cheers! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1065150 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MartinaMenisPitouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T23:03:15Z IndexTAG: 379 TitleTAG: Hallo From Russia with respect. UserIdTAG: 343098 UserNameTAG: Artem777 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:41:43Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: From Russia with respect. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 343098 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Artem777 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:42:22Z FirstChildTAG: [Русскоязычная группа][1] [1]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/51405404a0e1ab1f0000026f FirstChildUserIdTAG: 365767 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rutreider FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T10:48:54Z IndexTAG: 380 TitleTAG: Hello from Serbia :) Hi everybody, I am a history student with special interest in Ancient Greece and Rome. UserIdTAG: 1172154 UserNameTAG: Tilotama CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:41:06Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Another student from Serbia :) I am an IT student (Web design sector) with a huge interest in Greek Myths and Heroes. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1169138 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Cikirita FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:04:26Z IndexTAG: 381 TitleTAG: Hello, Mythologists! Hello everyone! I’m Jadviga. It’s so inspiring to see so many people here from around the world, with different backgrounds but with one common interest in Myths. For me, Ancient Mythology has always been captivating…up to the bewitching level, (hope you know what I mean!). Looking forward to videos and discussions. UserIdTAG: 939003 UserNameTAG: Jadviga CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:33:55Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 382 TitleTAG: Hi from Peru :) Hi!!! How are you!!! Hope all of you are fine!! I'm a medical student, lover of all about Greece!! Hope to meet you soon :) UserIdTAG: 698650 UserNameTAG: melaniezpdl08 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:26:46Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hope you enjoy the course. Delphine FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:37:24Z SecondChildTAG: Thank's Delphine :) Keep in touch ;) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 698650 SecondChildUserNameTAG: melaniezpdl08 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:40:06Z FirstChildTAG: I'm from Peru too. Nice to meet you, and good luck! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 229184 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Diana1988 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:05:03Z IndexTAG: 383 TitleTAG: Hello from Germany Looking forward to learning and discussing this interesting course with all of you. UserIdTAG: 937025 UserNameTAG: jessamine CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:25:13Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi there. I'm also based in Germany (Berlin), and so is "Gert D", a writer of historic fiction. Good luck on this fascinating multinational adventure, going back to European cultural roots! Cheers, Dominique FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:10:14Z FirstChildTAG: Hallo Jessamine, viel spass Darius FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1121624 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Darius- FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:06:36Z IndexTAG: 384 TitleTAG: The Myth of Sisyphus Hi, everyone. First of all, I would like to thank Professor Nagy who has accepted to share his knowledge with unknown people all over the world. One of my favourite writers is Albert Camus, who wrote "The Myth of Sisyphus" in 1942. I guess Greek writers and philosophers had already grasped the main concerns about human condition and I would like to know more about it. UserIdTAG: 1174076 UserNameTAG: Daniel_SCHOEMANS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:16:18Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I don't necessarily think that Camus' interpretation of the Myth of Sisyphus is intended with the original story. As far as I know Camus uses his torment as analogy. I don't know if the myth can be attributed to a single author. Even if it can be, I would be surprised if it was actually meant to be about the human condition and suicide. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 386029 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gkoleoglu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:32:42Z SecondChildTAG: You must be right. I didn't intend to reduce the myth of Sisyphus to what Camus wrote about it. I just mentioned Camus because it's the first reference that crossed my mind while thinking about Greek mythology. When I was a teenager, Camus' conclusion (One must imagine Sisyphus happy) helped me to accept my condition of human being. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1174076 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Daniel_SCHOEMANS SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:52:55Z SecondChildTAG: Beautiful thought, Daniel, and by the way, I'm a Camus admirer too. I like that there are many coins to his philosophy: think of "L'Homme révolté", which pleads for commitment to the establishment of political ethics based on rebellion (in which Man takes on injustice not abstractly/ideologically but by rebelling agains a concrete reality) instead of revolution (which tends to be ideological, abstract, and often turns into fascism). Acceptance of our human condition, yes, but determined fight for a world that is more just. (The magazine he founded was called "Combat", i.e. Fight.) And I agree as well: the beauty of the Greek myths is that they are such a reference for our thoughts and actions, and could be used for example by Camus to develop ideas regarding our own times. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015275 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dcaillat SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:28:42Z SecondChildTAG: I used that same quote > One must imagine Sisyphus happy on an essay a few years ago. I loved Camus' Sisyphus. I think of Sartre's Oresteia "The flies" the same way you did with The myth of Sisyphus, Daniel. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1160930 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AdrianaPalomino SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T06:47:47Z IndexTAG: 385 TitleTAG: Syllabus Has Sourcebook been uploaded ? Which translation of Iliad and Odyssey are we required to read ? Thanks Mayuri UserIdTAG: 1004188 UserNameTAG: Mayuri333 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:11:18Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Mayuri333, great questions! The Sourcebook has not yet been uploaded, but stay tuned! It offers English translations that have been carefully prepared and arranged for this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:39:07Z IndexTAG: 386 TitleTAG: Hello Everyone!! Greetings from Mexico! I am looking forward to meeting you all and hope everyone is as excited as I am! Best regards, Jesus R. UserIdTAG: 1060099 UserNameTAG: JesusR CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:47:49Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Bienvenido Jesús. ¿Es tu primera clase de edX? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 71651 FirstChildUserNameTAG: robertovizcarram FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:52:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hola Chicos ! ¿De que parte son ? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 957972 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lluvia79 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:40:40Z SecondChildTAG: Mexicali, Baja California. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 71651 SecondChildUserNameTAG: robertovizcarram SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T22:52:23Z FirstChildTAG: Hola, hola! Yo soy de Sinaloa pero estoy viviendo en Guadalajara por cuestiones de estudio. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 148311 FirstChildUserNameTAG: narielg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:59:26Z IndexTAG: 387 TitleTAG: Hello, from Greece! Hello to everybody, from Greece! I am Eleni and I'm so glad to meet you here! UserIdTAG: 896258 UserNameTAG: megaselana CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:41:25Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 388 TitleTAG: From Russia with love! Приветствую всех моих сограждан большой матушки России, которые по совместительству являются моими сокурсниками в программе **Ancient Greek Hero**. UserIdTAG: 1015055 UserNameTAG: polkiuhjkl CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:32:52Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 11 FirstChildTAG: Всем привет из Крыма! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1083309 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rina_Shee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:42:48Z SecondChildTAG: I do not know how to spell it but prevyet. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T02:34:59Z SecondChildTAG: http://vk.com/club50806042 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015055 SecondChildUserNameTAG: polkiuhjkl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T09:26:09Z FirstChildTAG: Привет-привет! Хоть я и не "согражданка", но все-таки рада видеть! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1116995 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Denali FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:40:49Z SecondChildTAG: Так непривычно и немного тревожно слышать родную речь на этом курсе. Я Стас, сам из Петербурга. А ты?) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015055 SecondChildUserNameTAG: polkiuhjkl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:44:43Z SecondChildTAG: Привет! Я тоже из России) г. Москва SecondChildUserIdTAG: 893359 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ledaschev SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:47:57Z SecondChildTAG: Muitos mistérios. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1025883 SecondChildUserNameTAG: maria_alves SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:50:21Z SecondChildTAG: Будет ли Google Translator может помочь нам всем? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 SecondChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:13:16Z SecondChildTAG: Привет! Я из Крыма! Так рада, что нашла русскоговорящих студентов! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1083309 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rina_Shee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:38:46Z SecondChildTAG: Привет! Я тоже из Питера) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 797619 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nphits SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:57:51Z SecondChildTAG: Привееет из Москвы) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1342395 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DariaMaleva SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T18:52:30Z SecondChildTAG: http://vk.com/club50806042 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015055 SecondChildUserNameTAG: polkiuhjkl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T09:26:04Z FirstChildTAG: Я тоже не согражданка, но из русско-говорящих! :) Всем привет! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1150691 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ViktorijaPutneva FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:49:53Z SecondChildTAG: http://vk.com/club50806042 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015055 SecondChildUserNameTAG: polkiuhjkl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T09:25:56Z FirstChildTAG: Сибиряк из Москвы. Всем привет :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 979407 FirstChildUserNameTAG: antamanov FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:46:03Z SecondChildTAG: http://vk.com/club50806042 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015055 SecondChildUserNameTAG: polkiuhjkl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T09:25:48Z FirstChildTAG: Привет из Санкт-Петербурга! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 718331 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Alinaish FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:38:29Z SecondChildTAG: http://vk.com/club50806042 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015055 SecondChildUserNameTAG: polkiuhjkl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T09:25:40Z FirstChildTAG: damn I did not use russian in ages,and I thought I could write something xD greetings from Serbia :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1290633 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Vojin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T18:52:09Z SecondChildTAG: By the way, u r welcome! ) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015055 SecondChildUserNameTAG: polkiuhjkl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T02:31:10Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Costa Rica, no Russian here, just English and Spanish and a little bit of Portuguese. Tried Russian once for 6 months but I found it so hard for me. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 26776 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aleguillen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T22:14:37Z FirstChildTAG: Москва шлет большой привет!)) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 205820 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ekaterina1406 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T20:11:40Z FirstChildTAG: http://vk.com/edxrussia Приглашаю в группу. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 938366 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Julia2604 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T08:32:11Z SecondChildTAG: http://vk.com/club50806042 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015055 SecondChildUserNameTAG: polkiuhjkl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T09:25:30Z SecondChildTAG: polkiuhjkl =) знакомые люди =) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 938366 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Julia2604 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T10:56:32Z SecondChildTAG: Julia2604, воу, меня это приятно насторожило, но прости, я тебя не знаю.) Но это можно легко исправить.) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1015055 SecondChildUserNameTAG: polkiuhjkl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T21:24:24Z FirstChildTAG: [Русскоязычная группа][1] [1]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/51405404a0e1ab1f0000026f FirstChildUserIdTAG: 365767 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rutreider FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T10:49:14Z FirstChildTAG: Hi man! I'm a squirrel from MSU! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 913353 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nastichen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T19:16:45Z IndexTAG: 389 TitleTAG: What's Demeter? Answer: Someone took all my Plato!* *Well, some may be familiar with the modeling clay called Play Doh. Bad pun. Sorry. Sort of. * * * Hi, everyone, I'm looking forward to this class, and excited that we'll be reading primary sources (in translation). I teach philosophy online at a community college in Northern California. Cheerily, Dan UserIdTAG: 909939 UserNameTAG: dbarnett99 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:14:58Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 390 TitleTAG: Hello there from the Isle of Man! I am so excited about this course! One of my earliest memories is of watching a 'child safe' version of The Odyssey and I've been hooked on Greek Mythology since, I'm looking forward to reading and even discussing different points of view during this course. Adam UserIdTAG: 1189254 UserNameTAG: clegga1981 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:08:21Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello, Adam! Greetings from the Philippines. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1162314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmyIniguez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:27:52Z IndexTAG: 391 TitleTAG: Hello from Colombia Hello everyone, my name is Yannic Serrano, I'm from Colombia, I'm very excited to start this course, since I am a lover of Greek mythology, culture, history, etc.. I always said that before I die, I have to go visit Greece. I know this course is a great opportunity to learn a lot more about what I like. I am a business administrator, but my hobby is reading history. Thank you very much and hope to learn a lot, not only teachers, but also of my colleagues. UserIdTAG: 984634 UserNameTAG: Yannic85 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:59:17Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hello Yannic is good to find fellow Colombian member over here. I am Harold i live in Cartagena, looking forward for this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 517559 FirstChildUserNameTAG: harry24 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:31:46Z SecondChildTAG: Hello, we may be study together!!! I am from Colombia too. This is my e-mail: libardoangarita@gmail.com SecondChildUserIdTAG: 968112 SecondChildUserNameTAG: libardoangarita SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T02:32:02Z FirstChildTAG: Ive always wanted to visit Greece too, but mostly based on my readings of Mary Stewart novels (My Brother Michael, etc.) in my 20's. Now I hope that this course will help me gain new reasons to do so. I did read Greek myths in my 20's also and took a philosophy course in CCNY where we read Plato's dialogues. Loved them and the course. In my 30's read the Odyssey while raising my family. Now in my 70's hoping to recoup my love for it all and maybe talk my daughter into taking me to Greece after the course (??) Dharma FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1119230 FirstChildUserNameTAG: twitcher2 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:43:20Z FirstChildTAG: Hola Yannic Saludes de Envigado Darius FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1121624 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Darius- FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:12:36Z IndexTAG: 392 TitleTAG: Hi from America! Hi, I am a student in Virginia majoring in Political Science. This is my first course at edX. :) UserIdTAG: 891161 UserNameTAG: jisjames007 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:55:55Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 393 TitleTAG: Hello from Spain Hello everybody! This is the first time I'm taking such a course (completely online I mean). It sounds like there are a wide variety of people here -- that should make it interesting! Best, Jim UserIdTAG: 1072419 UserNameTAG: Grestlin CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:40:48Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 11 FirstChildTAG: Welcome Jim! I'm from Spain too. This is my first course too (I'm in the course ''The Challenges of Global Poverty'' too). I think this chance is great, I'm so grateful to these wonderful universities for give us this experience.. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1134562 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vct00003 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:47:24Z FirstChildTAG: Saludos desde Madrid. Hello from Madrid. I´m very happy to take this course. My previous experience with edx has been really interesting and rewarding (Health in Numbers: Quantitative Methods in Clinical & Public Health Research PH207x). Estoy seguro que este curso va a ser aún más divertido e interesante. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 239441 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JORGESCG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:00:49Z SecondChildTAG: Ya que lo mencionas en español, Sí, si va a ser muy divertido ;) Saludos dede Colombia!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 984634 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Yannic85 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:16:06Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everybody. I'm from Spain too. My name is Patricia and I'm wishing to start the course. Regards FirstChildUserIdTAG: 243960 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pjuezgarcia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:01:10Z SecondChildTAG: Hello everybody! I'm from Spain too, it seems like we are a plague xD. My name is Ruth and I'm History teacher. I'm very excited because I haven't made any edx course before. So... here we go! Good luck and regards! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 969438 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zilla SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:13:06Z SecondChildTAG: Hi! I am from Argentina. Good there other other Spanish speakers in the course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 462642 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ANDYFLOG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:54:43Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everybody! I'm from Spain too, it seems like we are a plague xD. My name is Ruth and I'm History teacher. I'm very excited because I haven't made any edx course before. So... here we go! Good luck and regards! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 969438 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zilla FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:14:52Z FirstChildTAG: Hi from Madrid! Looking forward the start of a new adventure. Love Greek Classics that I discover with the logic, analitics from Aristotle. I love the art of going slow and I am sure I can benefit from it with this course. I've taken other courses and it is just amazing and enrichful they can be! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 999522 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Gloria2013 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:23:50Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Classmates, I live in Madrid too, and definately happy to meet you all. I will be very pround to read and understand the ancient Greek classics. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1094669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: away2015 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:54:55Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everybody from Madrid, here one more attendant: I am sure we will have to work hardly for this course, so all the help we can give each other will be valuable, even in Spanish. So, let's go and see what it is waiting for us in this Greek world. I recommend you the links published in another thread about the Yale course about the Greek history and culture by Prof. Donald Kagan. Regards, Javier R FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1145164 FirstChildUserNameTAG: REBOM58 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:53:31Z SecondChildTAG: Another from Spain, living nowadays in Mérida, as you know a small city but also very big in history! We have tons of roman ruins plenty of stories that you can listen to if you drop here. Nice to meet you all!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1157903 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bs14sb SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T20:50:11Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Alicante!! Let's see what Edx platform has for us. This is my first course, I was enrolled previously to some other but I couldn't complete them, so I can't wait to start and talk and share things with you all!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 243544 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Chec0 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T18:57:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everybody! I’m from Logroño (Spain). This is my first course in Edx, I hope that it will find interesting for all of us. Regards FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914089 FirstChildUserNameTAG: frdomin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T21:16:16Z FirstChildTAG: Another one from Spain! Hi, I'm Anne, I live in Seville, and this is a first for me. I'm a Greek Hero as well. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Athene FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T16:35:46Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! I`m from Valencia (Spain). This is my first Edx course. I hope it will be very interesting for us. Regards! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1297513 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Vibgo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T20:05:18Z IndexTAG: 394 TitleTAG: hello! is anybody from Russia? hello! is anybody from Russia? UserIdTAG: 1030948 UserNameTAG: fadeeva CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:39:32Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: I m from Latvia, but from Russian family! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1150691 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ViktorijaPutneva FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:51:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I`m from Ukraine! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1083309 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rina_Shee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:06:13Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I´m from Uzbekistan! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1116995 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Denali FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:31:49Z FirstChildTAG: Yeah, I'm from S-Pb. It's very amazing to meet my own compatriots at this course! Good luck, my dear friend. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1015055 FirstChildUserNameTAG: polkiuhjkl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:42:19Z SecondChildTAG: Русским можно и на русском писать Хахах) Всем привееет) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1342395 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DariaMaleva SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T18:54:25Z SecondChildTAG: Привет) из Москвы)) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 205820 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ekaterina1406 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T20:10:54Z SecondChildTAG: Я из СПб SecondChildUserIdTAG: 938366 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Julia2604 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T08:30:27Z FirstChildTAG: [Русскоязычная группа][1] [1]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/51405404a0e1ab1f0000026f FirstChildUserIdTAG: 365767 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rutreider FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T10:49:35Z IndexTAG: 395 TitleTAG: Hello! Greetings from the US of A Hello hello all!! Im currently working to advance my knowledge in the literary canon, and having taught students for the past year, I figured why not expand on my greek heroes? Growing up, I had the classic greek stories read to me, one of my favorites the story of Orpheus. I look forward to working with this course, and carrying on discussions with all of you! Heres to an amazing time! All the best, Me UserIdTAG: 1026669 UserNameTAG: gavius113 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:32:19Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 396 TitleTAG: Hello from Philly! Hello everyone! I am an English teacher in Philadelphia excited to expand my knowledge. My current curriculum includes the Odyssey, the Trojan Horse Myth, and Hercules' myths among others. I am very excited to see what I can learn and can bring to this course! UserIdTAG: 977441 UserNameTAG: mrhexter CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:24:18Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello hello! Im an English teacher as well, working to expand on my current knowledge. While my curriculum focuses mostly on modern American and European literature, I am looking forward to incorporating more of the Greek classics. Looking forward to discussing the material with you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:35:37Z IndexTAG: 397 TitleTAG: Hello Everyone Hello Everyone! I'm Jaina and I'm currently an undergrad at Oregon State University studying business information systems, finance, and management as a triple major. I'm so bogged-down with courses related to my major that I found myself lacking something "fun", so I'm excited to be starting this course as I'm fascinated by all things ancient Western civilization including Ancient Greece. I'm excited to learn more about Greek literature and look forward to getting to know more of my classmates in our cohorts throughout the next few weeks! UserIdTAG: 800708 UserNameTAG: TechiePrincess CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:22:00Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Wow really? That is incredible! Having three majors AND finding more to work with? I applaud you for taking the initiative, I look forward to carrying on the discussions with you and the material! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:34:14Z IndexTAG: 398 TitleTAG: E-BOOKS How do I enter the E-BOOKS? I would like to start reading and still have not been able to find them. I am going to be traveling the beginning of March so I will not be able to keep up unless I start now. If it is possible, I would love to know. UserIdTAG: 260128 UserNameTAG: Trinimarie CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:20:45Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello dear fellow! I believe that in few days they will include the books here! Now, we only find basic topics just to know each other and be familiar with the website! Greetings from Brazil, Rafael. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 210331 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RWNB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:22:58Z SecondChildTAG: Gotcha! Thank you for replying! Can't wait to learn with you and everyone else! Alabama-USA, Trinity SecondChildUserIdTAG: 260128 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Trinimarie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:24:57Z SecondChildTAG: Hope to count on you too my dear fellow! Btw, I'm Rafael, from Brazil. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 210331 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RWNB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:32:16Z SecondChildTAG: Greetings I am Rafael from Texas SecondChildUserIdTAG: 878192 SecondChildUserNameTAG: spacemerc SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:51:55Z IndexTAG: 399 TitleTAG: Hello From Cape Cod MA! I'm in Provincetown and am eager to get started with Greek Heros! Scott UserIdTAG: 223591 UserNameTAG: Scott365 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:19:30Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Scott! I'm Nancy from Carver Mass. I'm next to Plymouth and very to happy to see someone from my "neighborhood." Good luck with the class! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060449 FirstChildUserNameTAG: okellyn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:19:11Z IndexTAG: 400 TitleTAG: Greetings from PA, USA I am excited to join the discussions about this course. What a thrill to be involved in expanding my thinking! Nancy UserIdTAG: 951447 UserNameTAG: Card CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:19:14Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I couldnt agree more! Expanding knowledge= a good time. Remember the days of HATING it???!?! Welcome to the course :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:33:11Z IndexTAG: 401 TitleTAG: Hello Friends Hello all, I am Jamie, I live in the US in Atlanta, GA. I'm super excited to have an opportunity to participate in structured coursework related to Greece literature. I look forward to chatting with you all! UserIdTAG: 988025 UserNameTAG: mneimneh CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:18:48Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Im looking forward to it too! It should be exciting :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:38:09Z IndexTAG: 402 TitleTAG: Hello Hello. This is Umit from Turkey. I am a graduate student in educational technologies. Although I am not very knowledgable about ancient greek literature, I took two courses in which we studied Socrates and his methods. I am also interested in mythology and history. I read some books on Greek Mythology and took a course on Hittite History. I am very excited about this course. I believe this course will be the first MOOC that I manage to finish :) Wish everybody a great course. UserIdTAG: 340966 UserNameTAG: umitaslan CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:05:03Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Thank you Umit! The same for you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1134562 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vct00003 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:50:39Z IndexTAG: 403 TitleTAG: Hello Just a quick hello to all! I believe this course will be an adventure and look forward to it. UserIdTAG: 502026 UserNameTAG: dougdavies CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:04:50Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 404 TitleTAG: Kalispera!! Good Evening from Greece!Even though mythology is running through every Greek's vains ,what really excited me and led me to join this class is the opportunity to exchange knowledge!(I apologise for my poor English)!! UserIdTAG: 993779 UserNameTAG: ELGRE87 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:02:32Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Athenes! I'm sure this course will be very interesting! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 960855 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evara FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:27:16Z FirstChildTAG: Kalispera apo Adelaida, Eimai ellinida ex Australias kai xaireto ollos tous simpatriotes mou pou lambanoun merous- zito signomi pou sas grafo Greeklish- alla par ola ta ellinika mou einai kala i orthografia einai apaisia. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:07:45Z FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα σε όλους σας!!! Έκανα κι εγώ ένα post πριν λίγο με όνομα "The Mythologists - Facebook Group", για ένα πανέμορφο γκρουπ που φτιάξαμε και αφορά την μυθολογία μας και σε 2,5 μήνες ήρθανε 7000 μέλη!!! Σας προσκαλώ να το διαβάσετε και αν σας αρέσει να έρθετε μαζί μας και, αν θελήσετε, να του κάνετε και vote!!! Με τιμή, Αποστόλης :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895514 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mythologist FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:53:20Z IndexTAG: 405 TitleTAG: H24h + other text book Hi everyone, Can you find the two online free textbooks? They are supposed to be on the course website, yet I cannot seem to find them. Are they on Harvard's own website or here on edx? Cheers, Sannie UserIdTAG: 923648 UserNameTAG: SannieH CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:00:12Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Sannie, in few days they will include the books here! Now, we only find basic topics just to know each other and be familiar with the website! Greetings from Brazil, Rafael. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 210331 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RWNB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:09:45Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 923648 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SannieH SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T08:11:50Z IndexTAG: 406 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece! My name is Panos Govesis.I graduated in European History. The Greek Mythology is wonderful - exciting! Good start to all! UserIdTAG: 1166318 UserNameTAG: panos19 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:56:29Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Panos, I have loved the Greek myths since childhood and am looking forward to learning and discusion here. Smiles, Ozdigg FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:13:11Z SecondChildTAG: Same, I love Greek and Roman myths since I grew up with them :) Excited to be starting with you SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:27:10Z SecondChildTAG: Hello !I am Katerina from Greece and i am excited to participate in a course concerning greek philosophy. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1193470 SecondChildUserNameTAG: kbagtzi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:41:50Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Katerina! I am Panos Are you from Athens? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1166318 SecondChildUserNameTAG: panos19 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:19:46Z IndexTAG: 407 TitleTAG: Olá Meu nome é Felipe, e quero me especializar na história grega, mais para entender, pois quero me especializar em Teologia, o estudo da bíblia. UserIdTAG: 1129816 UserNameTAG: OFelipeBarbosa CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:21:02Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello Felipe! I'm Rafael from SP. Nice to find a Brazilian friend here. Hope to count on you during this experience. Best regards. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 210331 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RWNB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:12:58Z SecondChildTAG: Good luck with your goals! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:24:10Z SecondChildTAG: Temos um grupo de estudo em Português pra esta disciplina, se quiser pode participar. https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:23:08Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Felipe! Don't ask how, but although I really don't know in which language you write, I understood everything!! Is it Spanish or Portugese? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1293126 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Marystrat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T00:57:53Z IndexTAG: 408 TitleTAG: HELLO! Greetings from São Paulo Brasil! I am really happy about taking this wonderful course. UserIdTAG: 926268 UserNameTAG: SilvaniaVaz CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:19:44Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Silvania! Great to find someone from Brazil, and better than it, from SP! Hope to count on you during this amazing experience! Regards, Rafael. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 210331 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RWNB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:11:16Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Silvania! Brazil huh? I have a friend who is studying there :) Pleasure to be working with you, excited for the course material! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:23:04Z IndexTAG: 409 TitleTAG: greetings! I am student of electronic engineering,and I love the ancient greek history, in general the culture aspects, and many times in my academic process, I always wanted to take a lesson about it. i hope to learn a lot of in this course UserIdTAG: 1178975 UserNameTAG: johanpinilla CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:40:36Z VoteTAG:1 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 12 FirstChildTAG: Hello! A student of mechanical engineering here. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 572461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Seeingsasha FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:43:14Z SecondChildTAG: Welcome from a student of Life! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:35:57Z SecondChildTAG: I was a student of Electrical Engineering.. Now a student of Life lol To elaborate.. I was in school for 2 years but then joined the Air Force and I've been traveling the world since. Still want to do some schooling though.. although I will likely major in Math this time around, as it is the easiest subject for me. But, even still.. I like to learn about everything which is part of the reason I'm here! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 147193 SecondChildUserNameTAG: theCharger SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:08:17Z SecondChildTAG: I am 62 and learned ancientGreek in high scholl. I have the feeling I mist a lot being only 15. I am giving it a second try 47 years later. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1207071 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mariedodo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:36:25Z FirstChildTAG: I am 74 yr old and this is my last chance to get in touch with the ancients. Is this world the same one they lived in? Are the questions any different or the answers any less attainable? I'm not sure I am up to this course but we shall see! Good luck to all on the journey! Jack FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1143544 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Flojackguite FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:50:58Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Jack, I sincerely hope this is not your last chance! Your questions are very pertinent. Smiles from June in Australia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:37:49Z SecondChildTAG: I hope I'm still open enough to question, consider, and learn when I'm 74! I've found myself saddened by how closed off people much younger than myself choose to keep their minds. You have just added to my excitement for this course - thank you, Jack! <3 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 SecondChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:14:21Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Jack - I'm only 66 but I hope you keep with it to the end of the course so we "graduate" together ;0) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 65321 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MikeWrightACGI SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T12:52:52Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I studied the classics years ago as an undergraduate but I have never reflected on the topic of the ancient hero. I look forward to this course and its discussions! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 935342 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dbartale FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:52:01Z FirstChildTAG: I've always held a fascination for Greek heroes and mythology! I consider myself a modern-day Persephone...hehe...just kidding. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 675853 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Maat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:57:51Z SecondChildTAG: Hi there from Diana! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:38:14Z FirstChildTAG: HI , I'm an Electrical Engineer turned Web Analytics professional working in an IT Giant , am interested in history as such and was always inspired by Greek stories and their influence on modern humanity and it's thought . Feel i can learn some new and interesting insights and probably enrich my understanding of Ancient Greece FirstChildUserIdTAG: 308002 FirstChildUserNameTAG: santoshvenu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T17:54:07Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everybody, My name is Fernando, I love history and philosophy, I have always been intrigued by the heroic, what defines a hero, is it madness or as Carlyle said it is the state of the illuminated soul? looking forward to share this adventure with you all. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 160604 FirstChildUserNameTAG: luisflores1961 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:18:59Z SecondChildTAG: Here's hoping it's the second option. Smiles from Australia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:39:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Greece... I am an archaeologist. I love Greek and Roman culture with their myths and heroes. I joined this course and I hope to learn more interesting things about the cultures that influenced the worlds thought. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1194180 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gianna_z FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:20:28Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Everyone. My name is Janal. I have been a chemical engineer for the past forty years and a patent attorney for over twenty years. I also love studying history. I took my first class on Greek and Roman Mythology trough Coursera and just loved it. It was a lot more difficult than I anticipated, however. It is really hard to get into the mind of an ancient Greek man. Lord knows I have enough trouble trying to get into the mind of a modern American man! I am looking forward to continuing the effort in this class. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 929880 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Janal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:35:08Z SecondChildTAG: The modern American man? I hold the deepest empathy for you! Smiles from Australia (married to an American man), June SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:41:01Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, this is Swetha from DC! Love Greek Mythology and their love of the human. Greetings! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1019832 FirstChildUserNameTAG: swetha_16 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T04:42:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, from Athens, very enthusiastic about the course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281055 FirstChildUserNameTAG: megaloec FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T19:53:58Z FirstChildTAG: HELLO, FROM PATRAS, GREECE!!!!I AM VERY HAPPY ABOUT ALL THIS FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1306239 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maritossa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T08:50:52Z FirstChildTAG: hello from athens Greece FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1332223 FirstChildUserNameTAG: papricz FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T20:20:37Z IndexTAG: 410 TitleTAG: HOUR 9 Can someone please advise me what am I supposed to do with Hour 9 stuff that has just been released on Courseware (right after Hour 4)? Thank you. UserIdTAG: 1300615 UserNameTAG: alex-tsigaras CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T07:42:09Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear alex-tsigaras, you can ignore that. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T00:07:05Z IndexTAG: 411 TitleTAG: Hour 4 test and close reading How will we be notified that problems with Hour 4 test and close reading are resolved? UserIdTAG: 1381577 UserNameTAG: RobertaHung CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T16:13:24Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: [Editor of Content and Social Media] Dear RobertaHung, do you mean the "deadlines" that appeared? That error has been resolved. Thanks so much for your patience! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T02:07:17Z IndexTAG: 412 TitleTAG: Methodological/technical Questions: but all real: I am now three to four weeks into the course but have not seen a video of any kind since the first feel, when I viewed Professor Nagy, and read the useful citation from Nietzsche on 'slow' and 'fast' reading. Since then, I have had serious difficulties of access---from an iMac, wirleessly connected to a Macpro laptop. To begin with I assumed that this was all my own fault, and so reported the difficulties to technical@edx.org, but was merely told to reset my pw. Several iterations later, I am in the same position, and it does not matter if my reset is declared 'successful' or 'unsuccessful.' Even when I am successful, the reset pw is not recognized. And when I do reach 'Courseware,' and see a list of the videoclips, I cannot actually see them. In retrospect, perhaps we might have started with a preliminary technical session on these kinds of problems, to avoid their getting in the way of the substance of what we wished to learn? Automatic re-setting of pw is, of course, useful, but not on the same scale of importance as the substantial issues of the actual course. I have written for myself a poem/reminder that not all languages are identically alive---some move from one meaning only, whereas ancient Greek (which I do not read or speak) is always quivering/resonating, moving from one philological possibility (imperishable, immortal, unwilting) to another, without always putting up a flag to say that that is what is about to do. Hence one version of the difficulty when we get to questions and annotation in the end of particular 'hours.' UserIdTAG: 1282276 UserNameTAG: whaskett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T13:03:04Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi whaskett, I would love to help, but need significantly more information, because the problem you are reporting hasn't been reported by anybody else. Your post here shows that you can log in successfully, which brings us to the courseware issue. Can you please take a screenshot of what you're seeing there and provide it to me via this board? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T13:33:11Z IndexTAG: 413 TitleTAG: question 3 But the best answer in the "show answer" text,in question 3 of the guided discussion, still returns a red cross..? UserIdTAG: 1109885 UserNameTAG: Rien CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T18:13:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Same applies to question 2 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Rien FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T18:18:10Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Rien, I will forward your message to Claudia in order to check if there is a problem SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T02:56:03Z SecondChildTAG: Rien, can you take a screen shot when problems like this occur? Did you type in your answer and then select a "tag" by clicking on it? Those are just two quick thoughts. I'm going to see what else I can find out. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T03:21:47Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Claudiu It seems that the answer was not properly activated, and for that reason gives a cross. However, I selected the correct answer. If the answer is properly activated, and correct, it answers the green “ok” flag. I send the screenshots to technical@edx.org, as they show the answers. I believe you are handling this correctly, so for me this issue is closed. Thanks and best regards, Rien SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rien SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T16:52:20Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Rien, Please post the screenshots here, even if they do show answers. That way, we can address any potential issue quickly rather than waiting for it to filter from edX's engineers to our course team. Thanks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 615718 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T12:47:52Z FirstChildTAG: Hi all, This was addressed on Monday and the resolution was announced to all participants: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/undefined/threads/5162d9445f20d60a000000dc FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T12:49:22Z IndexTAG: 414 TitleTAG: Download problem I seem to be experiencing security issues downloading many of the videos. I thought at first it might be a browser issue, but I've tried and failed on Hour 4 Discussions B/C, E, F, H, & I ,with the same videos on three different browsers. UserIdTAG: 145656 UserNameTAG: desertbob CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-08T16:00:33Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear desertbob, are you still having trouble with these videos? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T03:07:00Z SecondChildTAG: Yes I am, but I will probably try again with another machine. I may be having a protocol problem with this one. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 145656 SecondChildUserNameTAG: desertbob SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T03:54:40Z SecondChildTAG: It happening on both my machines with different Windows operating systems : AccessDeniedAccess Denied21379FAA83A45B5DlYaWrr+RszT7u+S9+en9uteqk0dJa3fAPl/0pDyeYb9vPAG5/uQwHLmvPQpH/EDr SecondChildUserIdTAG: 145656 SecondChildUserNameTAG: desertbob SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T13:49:32Z SecondChildTAG: Claudia: if you check with your technical people, you willfind that I have been trying for over a week to find out why my use-name/e-mail address and my pw will not guarantee that I can log into the general site, although the same information enables my sons to login as me on their computers and browsers (Safari or Firefox) from Netherlands and/or from Md. I must npw leave the site open (when I would otherwise logout in order to be able to keep access to it available. This is not an ex[ense, butg it is a distinct and strange-looking device, which I shou9ldlike to be free from, if it can be arranged. pw reset, as presently available,is not it. williamhaskett2.gmail.com. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 SecondChildUserNameTAG: whaskett SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T18:43:30Z SecondChildTAG: Sorry, I transmitted the error without thinking that your text would not accept XML tags. I've reformatted HTML so that the error screen shows up properly. <Error> <Code>AccessDenied<Code> <Message>Access Denied <RequestId>BFB7A1464349AB47<RequestId> <HostId>oydCGiyLLxWliafsPfGOZCxi5vgWxn5A2A0iIKu61dkWjFMBrkRuKbVNHC2AeQQc <HostId> <Error> SecondChildUserIdTAG: 145656 SecondChildUserNameTAG: desertbob SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-11T11:37:41Z IndexTAG: 415 TitleTAG: Revised time lines. The cross-referenced nature of the course, with crossings from one hour to another, not obviously clear, draws attention, once more, to the difficulties of book-keeping for its several, quite distinct members, with access to materials on a regular schedule, adequate time for study and consideration of (sometimes difficult) materials, and similar questions. Contemplate a widely-spread battlefield, with wounded men and women, scattered rather than concentrated on asingle thread, and you will have a notion of the difficulties I am thinking of, as weeks go by---or worse, accumulate in piles, not yet properly sorted by those who are expected to acquire the logic of the whole. wh UserIdTAG: 1282276 UserNameTAG: whaskett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T14:11:06Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: did my comment transmit itself or not? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 FirstChildUserNameTAG: whaskett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T14:13:48Z SecondChildTAG: Hello Whaskett, Yes your comment came through, but I (a fellow participant) do not recognise the problem. Under the header "Courseware" you can find Hour 1-3. The videos and text of Hour 4 will be brought on line next Monday. In the "Syllabus" you can find the overview of what is expected of us in each Hour. The section H24H gives the background text for all hours (up till the end). For me the structure is quite clear. However, I can see that there are two ways of working: I am now reading the H24 of Hour 4, and the required scrolls of Hour 4. On Monday to come, I read the text, or rather view the videos, of Hour 4 (for which I should be well prepared by then, and after some hours I am ready to do the exercises, which at average 3 out of 4 are ok. It may be that I am out of sync with others, who are now viewing the videos of Hour 3, and do the exercises of Hour 3 in the weekend to come, by my system protects me against a week delay because of work, holiday or other interest. Doe this answer your query? Best regards, Rien SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rien SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T17:15:06Z IndexTAG: 416 TitleTAG: Access to course materials: Something technical seems to be going wrong either with SIMPLE Access to the presentation of materials, or with their distribution, which, by this point, three weeks into the course should surely by automatic and flawless. I can read, prematurely, every hour of the h24H, but I am stuck at hour 3 of the courseware, and its questions and annotation exercises. Am I incorrect in relying on the twice-weekly distributions on Monday and Thursday of each week? I do admit to being solitary and without anything but 'discussion' for connection with any other student, at the moment, UserIdTAG: 1282276 UserNameTAG: whaskett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T13:12:06Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear whaskett, you can find a revised timeline here: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/51546d4c78a940160000026d Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T01:14:13Z IndexTAG: 417 TitleTAG: Meleagros and Kleopatra ft Achilles and Patroklos -Hour 3-Prompting phrase of Profess.Nagy It seems that the story of Meleagros and Kleopatra prepares the audience/readers of the Iliad for what is ahead for the Thetis's son . It indicates that Achilles's lingering Anger won't work for his own good . The main essence for both stories is Anger with its catastrofic results . Meleagros's city is hardly survived and he misses out on getting the 'honour' or [time] that he deserves ; Achilles , on the other side , won't miss out on getting 'honour' , but he loses his most near and dear Patroklos . It was an outcome Achilles couldn't predict since the story of Meleagros didn't hint at ; Meleagros's much-loved Kleopatra wasn't perished by his unmoved Anger after all . UserIdTAG: 1305671 UserNameTAG: maxtod CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:36:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I like the part that you write that both Meleagros, and Achilles miss something. I wonder if Meleagros did gain something after all. What do you or other students think? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T04:25:44Z SecondChildTAG: It's what Aischylos says 'pathos , mathos '; tragic and painful as our faults are become valuable lessons though either for those who do them or for the rest who witness . This is the main principle that defines the Ancient Greek Tragedy after all . [Are you greek dear Magdalini ? I guess so by your name...] SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305671 SecondChildUserNameTAG: maxtod SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-10T10:19:38Z SecondChildTAG: Yep! I am Greek... and I see that you like tragedy! Do you think that Meleagros might have lost his comrades' honor, but gained kleos after all? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T04:00:38Z SecondChildTAG: He's glory(kleos)is negative though and it's just used in this way by Phoenix... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305671 SecondChildUserNameTAG: maxtod SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-12T10:24:20Z SecondChildTAG: But, still, Meleagros is part of the Iliad. Isn't it *kleos*, as well? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-15T05:55:13Z SecondChildTAG: Of course it is , but it's a kleos in vain for he's lost so much ; his kleos is a negative paradigme for Achilles and for those who attend his story... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305671 SecondChildUserNameTAG: maxtod SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-16T11:43:10Z IndexTAG: 418 TitleTAG: Achilles as Akhos+Kholos Quote from H24H about the interpretation of Achilles' name: " The word akhos is connected with the name of Achilles in the Iliad. And the meaning of the word akhos, which conveys intense grief, sorrow, pain, is connected with a central theme that is linked with Achilles in the Homeric Iliad: Achilles is a man of constant sorrow." In the light of what we learnt in hour 3, it occurred to me that there might be another way of looking at this hero's name, as Akhos + Kholos, or the one whose sorrow turned to anger, which is exactly what happens to Achilles as he hears out Agamemnon in Scroll 1. I suppose the history of Homeric poetry, or linguistics may not support such a view, but it seems to be a rather interesting way of viewing this hero as a combination of grief and anger. What do you think? UserIdTAG: 169342 UserNameTAG: mohitk CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T07:00:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi mohitk, as you guess, it doesn't work from the standpoint of linguistics (at all!), but as you say, there is a place where Achilles' *akhos* turns into *kholos* in Scroll 1 of the Iliad, when Agamemnon says he will take away Briseis: this passage is discussed in H24H, and you will see, I bet, that there are other places where a person's (not just Achilles') 'grief' turns into 'anger' -- it's a shift that is not so uncommon nowadays, where in some Western cultures it's more acceptable to be mad than to be sad. But stay tuned for the trajectory of Achilles' *akhos* and his *mênis*, which is anger of a special kind. I'd be interested to hear what you and others think about the way things evolve! Best, Lenny FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1241825 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lenny_Muellner FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T10:00:23Z IndexTAG: 419 TitleTAG: Unwilting I started the reading for Hour 4; the first paragraph uses the word "unwilting". As English is my second tongue, I depend on Google (Translate) and Merriam-Webster Online a lot, but even they don't know what "unwilting" is... What to do :-) ? Best regards, Rien UserIdTAG: 1109885 UserNameTAG: Rien CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T16:07:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: To wilt waS ORIGINALLY A PLANT, A BUSH OR TREE, and moved to us when we are so tired that we almost collapse. For Dictionaries, I suggest the Oxford Compact Edition: it can often be found second hand, and is especially good for issues of etymology---the historical usage of a word or phrase. It is 'cp,[act,' in the sense that it puts four pages into a folio page, and you might need a magnifying glass to use it fully. wh FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 FirstChildUserNameTAG: whaskett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-02T16:33:21Z FirstChildTAG: do you understand the word unperishable? or try in google the verb wilt FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T17:26:57Z SecondChildTAG: Got it!: *Wilting refers to the loss of rigidity of non-woody parts of plants. This occurs when the turgor pressure in non-lignified plant cells falls towards zero, as a result of diminished water in the cells. The process of wilting modifies the leaf angle distribution of the plant (or canopy) towards more erectophile conditions.* Haha, this happens when you are just outside your usual vocubulary! Thanks for helping along! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rien SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T18:03:25Z SecondChildTAG: I haven't read the passage yet. But if unwilting is referring to a person or that person's behavior, it would mean they were steadfast. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 895328 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LaGue SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T22:43:40Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks! It was good to find the picture of the plant, and the idea of "perishing" back in the words of Hour 4: "4§28. As we have seen from the wording of the lament of Thetis in Iliad XVIII 54-64, Text G, Achilles in death is pictured as a beautiful plant that has been cut down in its prime. That is how Achilles himself can be lamented forever." *Unwilting* then relates to *kleos aphthiton*; 'unfailing glory'. Rien SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1109885 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rien SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T02:31:03Z IndexTAG: 420 TitleTAG: Videos hour 3 I cannot see the text on the side section of the videos. That makes difficult the understanding for people of no English mother language. UserIdTAG: 1387320 UserNameTAG: FrancoIc CreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T10:16:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi Francolc, The issue has been fixed. You should be able to see them now. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T11:26:54Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1387320 FirstChildUserNameTAG: FrancoIc FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-01T19:39:09Z FirstChildTAG: Sorry to bother you again on the same subject but I have the same problem on hour 4 videos. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1387320 FirstChildUserNameTAG: FrancoIc FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T10:13:17Z IndexTAG: 421 TitleTAG: Answers to 'Close Reading Exercise' Even though I am giving the right answers, the results are marked wrong. When I click the button 'Show Answer' it is exactly the answer I gave. Is there a particular method that needs to be taken in to consideration for typing in the answers? Thank you UserIdTAG: 261513 UserNameTAG: arunkohli CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T12:56:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_Questions NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear arunkohil, can you post a screenshot? Are you both writing an answer AND clicking on one of the tags? You should do both before you click "Final check". Let me know if that helps. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-31T19:49:31Z IndexTAG: 422 TitleTAG: Kleos and nostos I have wondered a little about the relationship of the Iliad/kleos and the Odyssey/surely [the master example of nostos='homecoming'], where it is clear that after O leaves the island of Kalypso, he is single-mindedly inwardly pushed by his wish/desire/intention to return to his home estate , and not to be held by the wishes of Nausicca, Circe (on the side of a pleasurable halt) to Polyphemos, Poseidon, or any other barrier, man-made or naturally-obstructed, by waves, storms, poisons or witches to make his way back to his home. I do not suppose that this is a novel suggestion, since it appears so obvious, but someone much better instructed than I am must have given some kind of an answer to it, either simple or complex. I should like to know what that answer could be. wh UserIdTAG: 1282276 UserNameTAG: whaskett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T16:12:14Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear whaskett, this is a very interesting question, and you will have a more complete answer in few weeks, since actually this question is going to be answered in Hours 9 and 10. In *Iliad*, Achilles acquires kleos by losing his life, but in *Odyssey*, Odysseus needs to regain his life. I quote from Professor Nagy's notes, H09: "The kleos or epic glory of Achilles in the Iliad is competitively contrasted with the kleos of Odysseus in the Odyssey. [...] As we are about to see, the key to understanding such a competition is the Homeric use of the word *nostos* in the sense of a 'song about a homecoming', not just a 'homecoming'. Ironically, as I argue, Odysseus achieves the kleos or epic glory of the Odyssey not because he destroyed Troy [...] but because he also achieves a *nostos* in both senses of the word: he comes home and thereby becomes the premier hero of a song about homecoming." Also,in Hour 10 we will see how the word *nostos*, homecoming, relates to word *noos*, mind, consciousness. Thus, the word *nostos* is not just a safe homecoming but it is loaded also with a metaphorical meaning: return to life, regain one's life. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-03T01:28:47Z SecondChildTAG: Perhaps also the prime message of the O is NOT merely nostos, the return home (no matter how dangerous or adventurous, even, at times, heroic, but the restoration of ORDER in and around the home. As we end it, Jack has got his jill---i.e. O has got back Penelope, and all his property, as well as his servants, and his son his on his way to maturity, and even, as a kind of appendix, killing an uncertain number of the young men, suitors to Penelope, has been dealt with by exercise of the normal means of reconciliation---i.e. discussion in the assembly, payment of wergeld, so that O can resume his orderly and profitable role as basileus of Attaka. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 SecondChildUserNameTAG: whaskett SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T14:04:23Z SecondChildTAG: Well written, I think. "Restoration of order". I agree. And the funny thing (black humor) is that when Odysseus comes to life and restores the order, the suitors die. It is like a wheel to me: ups and downs. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-09T03:05:04Z IndexTAG: 423 TitleTAG: Sourcebook in EPub format also? Hi, I hope I'm not asking a question that's already been answered. Will the most current version of the Sourcebook also be made available in EPub format? I'm interested in reading the course materials on my e-reader. Thanks. UserIdTAG: 1374193 UserNameTAG: ChuckRamone CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T17:00:56Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi ChuckRamone, It will be soon, but I can't give you a date certain yet. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T20:42:16Z IndexTAG: 424 TitleTAG: Videos I cannot access any videos even though I have installed the Chrome browser. Any suggestions? UserIdTAG: 1107150 UserNameTAG: pronghorn CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T00:12:51Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 425 TitleTAG: New to the course I started this class a week late and have finished all the videos for Hour 1. Once I finish with the questions and the close reading exercise, does Hour 2 become available to me? It's just that I don't see Hour 2 listed under Courseware and was wondering why. Thanks Donna Jonas UserIdTAG: 1455391 UserNameTAG: DonnaMJ CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T13:37:07Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_KnowCohort NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Dear Donna, We were told that the materials to hour 2 will be available on Monday. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1285580 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GALAMAR FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T19:52:10Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for the information Galamar. I thought maybe I was missing something! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1455391 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DonnaMJ SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T00:39:12Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome Donna! Is everything o.k. so far? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333999 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Magdalini FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T02:49:05Z SecondChildTAG: Sorry I have been late in replying Magdalini, I have been so focused in finishing an Algebra course that I was taking through Coursera and it is now finished, so I have been able to catch up a bit. I just finished my Hour 2 and hope to get Hour 3 finished this week. I am running about a week behind, but I love the Greeks so much, that I will be able to catch up. I have read the Iliad twice in the last two years and it is one of my favorite pieces of literature and to be able to go into in depth has been a real pleasure. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1455391 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DonnaMJ SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-07T16:59:11Z IndexTAG: 426 TitleTAG: What Up from Detroit MI Hi Semele cohort. I'm excited to be learning beside you all. I look forward to the ideas we will generate in this discussion board. Peace Liz UserIdTAG: 1463303 UserNameTAG: LizRilley CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T02:07:16Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 427 TitleTAG: Typo in text Hour 1 Text C? in 126 I read: "And right away **she** grabbed the goddess Atē by the head - that head covered with luxuriant curls " however, for the text it sound that '**he**' (=Zeus) should be the correct no? And that's what I also listen in the reading of the text (https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/courseware/22629096118e49958b4e39f4a01297ab/5ac1b32939e94b15b58f1c25298d1d0c/) UserIdTAG: 344405 UserNameTAG: AMariani CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T08:49:11Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: The text in the Sourcebook does suggest that it is he (=Zeus) who grabs Ate: Iliad, Scroll X1X: [125] Then Zeus was stung to the very quick with grief [akhos], and in his rage he caught Atē by the hair, and swore a great oath that never should she again invade the starry heavens and Olympus, for she was the bane of all. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1375001 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bmagie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T00:06:40Z IndexTAG: 428 TitleTAG: abt class when is the next class starts.really interested in d topic UserIdTAG: 1453072 UserNameTAG: angel13 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-20T01:44:37Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 429 TitleTAG: Menis v. Kotos v. Kholos v. Menos? What is the difference between the different forms of anger - *menis* used in the first line of Scroll 1, *kotos* used by Agamemnon at [180], *kholos* at [190], and *menos* at [205]? UserIdTAG: 1375001 UserNameTAG: bmagie CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T19:22:33Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: *Kotos* (ὁ κότος) is more of a grudge or ill-will toward someone who has offended you. *Mēnis* (ἡ μῆνις) is often used of the forceful wrath of the gods. In the NT, the word is generally *orgē* (ἡ ὀργή) *Menos* (τὸ μένος) is generally used of strength or force, especially animalistic strength. It's often used of the fierceness of the soul in battle, that is as "battle rage." In the plural (τὰ μένεα), it can be used to mean intents, temper or disposition. *Kholos* (ὁ χόλος) is a bitter anger or gall. It can be aimed at a person, a thing or something that happened. I hope this is helpful. All of these things can be found in the LSJ dictionary. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1241157 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JaiHare FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T14:55:16Z IndexTAG: 430 TitleTAG: new here Hello, I have started this course just today. Read h24h hour 0 A through H and hour 1 A through C. Still have to read Iliad scroll 1..and watch the videos..I hope I dont get stuck far too behind the class! Thank u Edx and Harvard.. And a warm Namaste from India :) UserIdTAG: 1447739 UserNameTAG: ManmitaK CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T18:04:35Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 431 TitleTAG: Kleos and Nostos in Homer It is perhaps a little strange that in the alternatives of kleos and nostos, the specialised function of Achilles in the Iliad tends to underplay entirely the special function of Odysseus as the central figure in the heroic tale of nostos in the companion epic, the Odyssey? wh UserIdTAG: 1282276 UserNameTAG: whaskett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T15:41:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Is this a question? You end it with a question mark, but you start it with a statement ("It is perhaps a little strange that..."). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1241157 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JaiHare FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T14:56:21Z FirstChildTAG: statement/question: I had thought that I was clearly posing a question, but perhaps I have an answer for myself: the opposition of kleos and nostos may stand, but it is not so sharp, since the scale of the return in Odyssey is clearly epic/heroic, posted with danger at every turn (even given the assistance of the gods, especially Athene) and without any absolute certainty that O himself will survive the risks---especially when he is within the reach of of Poseidon-- and he shows many variants on his heroic cunning...so that Homer can bracket him and Athene as approximately the same in their several contexts---human/heroic and godlike/ingenious. wh - FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282276 FirstChildUserNameTAG: whaskett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T22:20:37Z IndexTAG: 432 TitleTAG: Micro and Macro Narrative As I've listened to Prof. Nagy discuss the symbiotic relationship between micro and macro narrative, and his interest in contemporary media's use of the device, I've been reminded of Russell Hoban's The Mouse and His Child, a strong and beautiful children's book. Within the macro narrative of the Father Mouse's and His Child's odyssey to find their family, is told a micro story of the experimental play, The Last Visible Dog. Here I quote from an internet reference page. The play is inspired by the image on the label of Bonzo Dog Food cans. The dog on the label is holding a can of dog food, on the label of which there is a smaller dog, holding a smaller can on which there is an even smaller dog, and on and on as far as the eye can see. The recurring concept of "The Last Visible Dog" becomes an eloquent metaphor for patience, persistence and determination, as the mouse and his child find that in order to realize their dreams of domestic contentment they must remain focused on a goal that seems further away than the eye can see, and travel farther than they ever dreamed. Also, you may look at another media form on youtube, which interpreted the book. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EiF3KLpTS0 UserIdTAG: 895328 UserNameTAG: LaGue CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T15:16:16Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 433 TitleTAG: Relation between Hera and hora= season,seasonality I only knew Hera as a goddess of marriage. This is a very interesting connection- I mean between Hera and hora and what is said about their linguistic relation. Where could I find more information about this? UserIdTAG: 1230310 UserNameTAG: DemetraK CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T02:28:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Perhaps it's a little out of scope for this class, but I would also like see the reasons for the conclusion that hera and hora have the same (or similar?) linguistic root, and have often wondered how linguists arrive at their conclusions in that regard, especially that, in studying a foreign language, or some root like Latin, there are often words that are spelled similarly with a completely different meaning. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 145656 FirstChildUserNameTAG: desertbob FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T16:15:25Z IndexTAG: 434 TitleTAG: Fast reading Hour 0 and Hour 1 the same? I see Fast reading of Hour 0 and Hour 1 the same in the Syllabus (https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/01356a17b5924b17a04b7fc2426a3798/). Hour 1 should be Fast reading in Sourcebook: Iliad scroll II, right? UserIdTAG: 344405 UserNameTAG: AMariani CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T21:18:29Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi AMariani, thanks for asking. Actually the syllabus is correct. Read Scroll 1 a second time. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T22:56:22Z SecondChildTAG: clear, tks! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 344405 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AMariani SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T06:57:36Z IndexTAG: 435 TitleTAG: Is the Sourcebook Available in an epub version? "In the Sourcebook of original Greek texts (in English translation) about the ancient Greek hero (chs.harvard.edu), which as I already said is available online for free" I couldn't find the sourcebook on the chs.harvard.edu site, but anyway, I would like to download the sourcebook (and the H24H) to my Nook. Is that possible? UserIdTAG: 913950 UserNameTAG: doylejster CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T19:41:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: .epub files are coming very, very soon! Thanks for your patience. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T22:50:19Z IndexTAG: 436 TitleTAG: greek horos if the greek word hora, a seasonal goddess of timelyness, is the base of the word "heroe" then are all greek heroes of the female orign? UserIdTAG: 950329 UserNameTAG: cbiglow CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T06:13:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: The root is "hôr/hêr", which can then be combined with a feminine ending, as in "Hôr-â" or "Hêr-â", or a masculine one, as in the word for hero, "hêr-ôs" - so I think there's nothing intrinsically masculine or feminine about the concept. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1407412 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AlexHollmann FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T05:12:38Z SecondChildTAG: Hora has nothing to do with the gender of the hero, or the heroine (actually heroida in modern Greek) the female equivalent of a hero. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1338048 SecondChildUserNameTAG: dvorris SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T13:57:03Z IndexTAG: 437 TitleTAG: Question about hour 0 assignment The syllabus says: Read "Introduction to the Book" and "Introduction to Homeric Poetry" in The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours (h24h). Slow reading in h24h: Hour 0 Texts A through H (= 8 passages) Fast reading in Sourcebook: Iliad scroll I I'm not able to locate h24h hour 0 texts A through H Any assistance in locating these readings would be appreciated! Thanks in advance! Jennifer UserIdTAG: 1277416 UserNameTAG: JenniferNebraska CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T15:35:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Read them. Enjoyed the analysis. Didn't notice the letters... Thank you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277416 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JenniferNebraska FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T16:45:27Z FirstChildTAG: The are under the h24h tab tacked on to the end of the "Introduction to Homeric Poetry" section. Just read all the way down. Ginny FirstChildUserIdTAG: 916573 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ginnydreadful FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T16:00:50Z IndexTAG: 438 TitleTAG: Small translation question Hi All! My name is Virginia, I'm from Missouri. I've taken some other course on the subject of Greek and Roman history. In one of those courses it was mentioned that the Greeks had no word that translated as "blue". I notice in the Butler translation passage 480 says "deep blue water". Curious, I looked at several other translations and found "blue" translated as "sable", "purple", "dark" and "indigo". So why all the discrepancy over a color? Or perhaps more interestingly... Could the Greeks see blue? UserIdTAG: 916573 UserNameTAG: ginnydreadful CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T01:55:38Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: of course we can see blue! haha, actually the word blue is a loan from the French language, i think, and its used in modern Greek. The ancient Greek word is different and it is [kianon]{cyan} FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T09:32:00Z IndexTAG: 439 TitleTAG: Tasos from Greece Hi everyone here in Semele group!Glad to be here with you! UserIdTAG: 1264155 UserNameTAG: Tasos78 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T09:40:43Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_KnowCohort NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Greedings Tasos!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T23:11:53Z FirstChildTAG: Taso come and join us in facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/353368628101530/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T09:42:53Z SecondChildTAG: Is this the Semele group on facebook? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 914632 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Taska SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T02:57:31Z SecondChildTAG: no, its a group for the greeks where we can discuss mostly in Greek language SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 SecondChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T08:20:15Z IndexTAG: 440 TitleTAG: Cohort Visibility Hi everyone. I am trying to figure out the posting system. I cannot be sure, but I believe that if you post in the general category, anyone from any cohort can see the post. When you create a new post about "Get to Know Your Cohort," only members of your cohort can see that information. Is that accurate? Is anything we post only visible to our Cohort? UserIdTAG: 1323780 UserNameTAG: anwear CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:06:15Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_Questions NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Never mind. Posting this answered my question, since it is in a different category and is only visible to my group. Thanks. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1323780 FirstChildUserNameTAG: anwear FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:07:35Z IndexTAG: 441 TitleTAG: What is your personal definition of a hero? Answers/opinions from Pr Nagy and or staff are more than welcome. I would appreciated to start such a great course with a clear notion as i am so far from this area. Mine is somebody who's putting his/her life at stake for doing something good and profitable for society... without hope or high expectation for a reward. Was it really the case for all the so called hero from greek mythology (eg Achilles, etc...) ? Or is the defeinition of a hero for ancient greek is a bit different? Thx. Z. UserIdTAG: 830835 UserNameTAG: Zacharie CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T00:36:04Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 442 TitleTAG: I want to know! What about me? I can not find my Cohort! UserIdTAG: 1095862 UserNameTAG: VitalAbr CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T20:54:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_KnowCohort NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi VitalAbr, it looks to me like your cohort is Semele. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T20:59:37Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks! To me it is clear now! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1095862 SecondChildUserNameTAG: VitalAbr SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:01:57Z IndexTAG: 443 TitleTAG: Hi citizens of the world! Hi citizens of the world! My name is Tasos and I am working in a multinational company as a sales trainer. Although I belong to business I want to learn more about how first age thinking and philosophy could be applied in the modern business world. Life and business nowadays is a hard field to survive because people act individually after all. Principles like ethic, respect , self-awareness and kindness do not longer exist. In order to change the future you should live in the present by having an eye in the past.That's why we all have to go back to human roots. Being human means to feel deeply inside your soul, your uniqueness and your endless power to create, imagine, think as an individual and as part of a whole but at the same time to understand your provisional nature and your weakness compared to the time. Due to this eternal contradiction human beings should discover new things, develop themselves but at the same time be kind, humble and respect others. UserIdTAG: 1264155 UserNameTAG: Tasos78 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T15:31:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 444 TitleTAG: Greetings~! Hello! My name is Lily. I enrolled mainly because of my love for Greek mythology. I'm hoping that taking this course will help me gain more knowledge as well as enjoying a subject I am genuinely interested in. UserIdTAG: 1135244 UserNameTAG: emnho CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T03:59:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi! I am Nazia, i enrolled myself for this course to broaden my knowledge of History, i am sure i will be learning a lot with the sharing ideas and that would be really exciting experience. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1328278 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Naziashahid82 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T07:36:22Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, I'm Laila from Morocco, i enrolled myself to this course because i have a subject in university about greek mythology, so i hope that will help me to know more about it and successed in this here and in univerty. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1190782 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ashley00 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T10:42:47Z SecondChildTAG: Hi freinds^^ I am Amina from Algeria. I registered for this course because I was in the middle of reading my new book( the Iliad and the odyssey) Chapman's translation.So it was great to dig deeper on this mythology and make it more clear for me with you friends^^ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1028325 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Aminabeauty SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T14:09:02Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, I'm Louis from the US. I joined because I hope to get a better -- any -- understanding of ancient Greek literature. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1270126 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LouisLlovio SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T22:25:40Z SecondChildTAG: Hi everyone :) My name is Tessa and I am from Australia. I love studying and am in my Honours years and just finishing my fourth degree majoring in internet communications. I am midway through writing a 10,000-13,000-word thesis. I am doing this subject because I love ancient Greek literature and thought it would be a good introduction to studying online with Harvard for my fifth degree if they offer accredited distance subjects. Looking forward to interacting with all of you in the discussions each week. Cheers, Tessa :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 960534 SecondChildUserNameTAG: TessaG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T08:53:29Z SecondChildTAG: Hi everyone! My name is Sharon and I'm from the US. I joined this course because I loved studying Ancient Greek in college and decided to have a refresher course. Sharon SecondChildUserIdTAG: 586114 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Srhester SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T02:12:32Z IndexTAG: 445 TitleTAG: Study Group Alpha - Join it for This Course! Want to join a study group to make this course easier and more enjoyable? Do you have a SIP/SKYPE Phone? If not I will show you how to get a FREE SIP phone. Tell a little about yourself and where you are from and you can join this study group. Just keep following this thread! Study Group Alpha UserIdTAG: 1377257 UserNameTAG: GlobalWellBeing CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T01:19:25Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 7 FirstChildTAG: Thanks so much for enrolling and for your community building efforts! Let us know how this develops!! Best, Claudia Filos, Editor of Content and Social Media for the Ancient Greek Hero FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T01:25:57Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for the greeting Claudia. Will do. Keep us on the right track. GWB SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1377257 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GlobalWellBeing SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T01:54:22Z SecondChildTAG: But if you delete stuff give us fair warning. lol Did you delete my last two posts? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1377257 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GlobalWellBeing SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T03:03:33Z SecondChildTAG: My posts are getting deleted and I am not clear why. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1377257 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GlobalWellBeing SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T03:04:54Z SecondChildTAG: Looking forward to the start of claas and the release of the textbooks. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1370591 SecondChildUserNameTAG: paulok SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T23:05:29Z SecondChildTAG: Is there any difference from normal Skype communications? Does it allow goup discussion on a basic account? Or does it allow it for free? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 983580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LailsonHolanda SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T14:03:16Z FirstChildTAG: By the way, I have a way to do free conference calling with lots of people. I will give the link to the software to those who join here and participate. This is not a commercial, Claudia (lol), just freeware. Let's see how the course goes, and we can have some online voice discussions, or whatever works best with whoever joins. But this will work worldwide via SIP. Did I say it was FREE? GWB FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1377257 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GlobalWellBeing FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T02:00:11Z SecondChildTAG: While I believe I have a Skype account and set up, I have never used it so do not know how it works. I'm not even sure how to dial with it. I have much to learn. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 977395 SecondChildUserNameTAG: katep52 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T14:28:05Z SecondChildTAG: Not a problem. We will connect all those who want to somehow! For now we have this thread. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1377257 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GlobalWellBeing SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T20:28:18Z FirstChildTAG: I am coming here from 30 years of studying the prehistoric primeval teachings of Eastern philosophy (Vedic, the root culture), which predates Egyptian, Greek and Roman culture. I am curious to see how much Vedic culture was passed on to these newer cultures. I left Western education in my 2nd year of college and headed East by enrolling in a traditional Sanskrit Gurukula. So here I am coming back through Harvard to explore the Western side of academia from the Greek perspective. It should be interesting! I was happy to see one of the professors here has specialized in the Mahabharata. It would be great to connect here with him. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1377257 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GlobalWellBeing FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T04:36:28Z SecondChildTAG: You're posts are quite interesting, GlobalWellBeing. After reading this post, I came across a book titled " Proof of Vedic Culture's Global Existence" by Stephen Knapp. It's about how people- in the early times- all around the world, were once united by Vedic culture. The thesis of the book appears to be the following: The Vedic tradition is the ancestor of all religions. This is definitely a book worth reading. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1309679 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nora123 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T17:33:07Z SecondChildTAG: Yes I would love to hear about your gleanings from studying Vedas. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 997597 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GosseB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:55:53Z SecondChildTAG: I'm ongoing student of Indian Philosophy. My interests have included, Sivaism, Madhvacarya and Bhartrihari's philosophy of Cognition and language. And the seminal role of Sound and Music in Indian and Sufi philosophy. I studied philosophy at university and now I am studying music. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 997597 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GosseB SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T04:04:40Z SecondChildTAG: i would certainly like to join this group. I am in my 70s and now retired in France, but had a classical education. my languages were never good - I am tone deaf -but the history fascinated me. this is one of the reasons i am on this course. but going back all these years, it seems to me that the oral/bardic tradition [which still existed within the balkans as late as the 20th century] was the way hat the race perpetuated both its history and its beliefs from one generation to another, well before either paper or ink existed. the art of memory was a skill specifically documented by scholars of the renaissance. best wishes SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1227249 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nick589 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T14:33:49Z FirstChildTAG: how can I join this study group? THANK agray45 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 998117 FirstChildUserNameTAG: agray45 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T21:50:31Z FirstChildTAG: Hi my name is Abraham, can i join the study group Alpha? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 998117 FirstChildUserNameTAG: agray45 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T21:39:15Z FirstChildTAG: I have Skype just let me know FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1292863 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JAlford FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T02:00:10Z FirstChildTAG: I am just interested.I was turned off to this when younger largely due to poor teachers, but am more mature and wish to learn for the sake of learning. Plus, I like history, myth, interacting with smart people(keeps me humble). What do I need to do to get into this group? Texican FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1482805 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Texican FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-30T22:15:59Z IndexTAG: 446 TitleTAG: Yiasou F\from Massachusetts Yiasou from Boston, Massachusetts. I am along for the ride. Got my friend in Ireland to sing up as well. Look forward to the course. Don't know I'll seek the certificate. Thanks to Prof. Nagy and the team. Good Luck, Geortze UserIdTAG: 1377121 UserNameTAG: Geortze CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T23:40:16Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 447 TitleTAG: Excitement Emanating From Portland, OR Greetings fellow learners. I'm eager for this epic journey. UserIdTAG: 117876 UserNameTAG: Theodoric CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T22:46:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: *I'm eager for this **epic** journey.* Clever choice of words... The same feelings here, although not so aptly put. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 952145 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PaulJM FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T22:54:36Z SecondChildTAG: Hello also from Portland!! I hope we all have fun together! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Joannaroo SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T01:35:19Z FirstChildTAG: I like it!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T01:20:52Z FirstChildTAG: I wonder how many of us there are inPortland? We should get together for a drink sometime during the course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1343306 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Joannaroo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T19:11:35Z SecondChildTAG: You have another Portlander in me! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 109165 SecondChildUserNameTAG: blumekeith SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T17:58:39Z IndexTAG: 448 TitleTAG: Greetings from Athens Hello, I just enrolled this course. UserIdTAG: 1376484 UserNameTAG: Iwn-Rwmanos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T21:22:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I want to know my cohort how can i find it? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1041549 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CorihKim7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T22:41:06Z SecondChildTAG: Hi CorihKim7, welcome to this course. Just look at the top of the posts and you will see what cohorts you are. Since I can read your post, it must be Group Pelops. Don't know for sure. Let me know if this is true. Bobby James Apache Junction, Arizona USA SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T01:31:32Z FirstChildTAG: welcome^^ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1028325 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aminabeauty FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T14:10:17Z SecondChildTAG: Γεια σας ειμαστε 4 που θα παρακολουθησουμε το course Αν θελετε μπορουμε να ανταλλασουμε πληροφοριες και να δουλεψουμε μαζι σας!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1184839 SecondChildUserNameTAG: garmpi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:43:04Z SecondChildTAG: Gia sas apo stin Sydney! I'll be back in Athens in May, looking forward to this course SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134053 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KPatricia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T00:48:05Z SecondChildTAG: Γεια σας!!Ξέρετε αν υπάρχει κάποια άσκηση που πρέπει να κάνουμε μετά την Hour0; SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1315019 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MaryGr SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T16:33:44Z IndexTAG: 449 TitleTAG: Hello from Mexico City Looking for my cohort UserIdTAG: 1223249 UserNameTAG: Ximilpa CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T18:45:18Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Yo soy de Xalapa, Veracruz. Saludos! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277485 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Carlosdzmx FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T01:54:05Z SecondChildTAG: Saludos desde Nezahualcoyotl! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1373401 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Manuel_Mayorga SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T02:07:20Z SecondChildTAG: Saludos desde el hermoso pais de Colombia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1397209 SecondChildUserNameTAG: martineg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T22:18:45Z SecondChildTAG: Que bonito es Mexico. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1397209 SecondChildUserNameTAG: martineg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T22:19:14Z SecondChildTAG: Saludos desde cd. de México!! alguien me puede explicar como saber a que heroe me asignaron?? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055205 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GhilaBirman SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T22:32:54Z FirstChildTAG: cordiales saludos desde PERU, he visitado Mexico 2 veces y no me canso. quiero regresar. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1390201 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kalimera FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T05:07:36Z IndexTAG: 450 TitleTAG: Hello everybody from Thessaloniki,Greece Let's enjoy it! UserIdTAG: 1367021 UserNameTAG: eleni_and CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T21:26:24Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: καλημέρα, υπάρχει και γκρουπ στο facebook για τους Έλληνες https://www.facebook.com/groups/edx.greece/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280297 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gnikiforou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T08:52:35Z SecondChildTAG: τέλεια ευχαριστούμε πολύ! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1357103 SecondChildUserNameTAG: rozoua SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T19:26:15Z SecondChildTAG: Ευχαριστουμε !! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1184839 SecondChildUserNameTAG: garmpi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T21:44:30Z SecondChildTAG: Oraia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134053 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KPatricia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T00:49:44Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1292863 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JAlford SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T01:50:38Z FirstChildTAG: Wow! αυτο κ αν ειναι καλο νεο! ευχαριστουμε για την πληροφορια! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1367958 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GiannaRapti FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T13:37:46Z IndexTAG: 451 TitleTAG: Hello from Buenos Aires, Argentina It's nice to see a lot of people from different places and backgrounds sharing a lot of ideas about this course. I'd like to be enlightened by them and make a little sharing myself. I wish the best of luck to everyone here. See you around. UserIdTAG: 1367442 UserNameTAG: Paumax CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T21:25:55Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Oh its pretty nice to see another latinoamerican by this ways... Saludos desde la ciudad de Mexico hermano! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1369063 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Manuel1124599 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T00:14:57Z SecondChildTAG: Muchas Gracias!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1367442 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Paumax SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T01:12:50Z SecondChildTAG: Otra mexicana por acá!! saludos!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1249643 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LiliReyes SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:27:57Z FirstChildTAG: Desde Chile también les mando un saludo! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1381814 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PaulaSalas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:13:55Z FirstChildTAG: ¡Hola desde Buenos Aires también! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1332610 FirstChildUserNameTAG: VeronicaRiva FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T17:11:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hola desde Rosario, Argentina! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 426126 FirstChildUserNameTAG: lbohnhoff FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-21T03:49:04Z IndexTAG: 452 TitleTAG: Greeting from sunny Florida Hello Everyone, it is very impressive to see others from all over the world who are interested in the ancient greek hero and how we can share our thoughts with each other. I look forward to learning with you all! UserIdTAG: 925103 UserNameTAG: JohnConklin CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T18:16:56Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_General NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Nice to meet you as well. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1223549 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Khadro FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T20:01:31Z SecondChildTAG: Its nice to meet you. I'm from Florida as well! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1369757 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Razzie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T02:17:52Z FirstChildTAG: I'm in Florida too! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1131201 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Andrea73 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T04:33:26Z IndexTAG: 453 TitleTAG: HI hi from greece UserIdTAG: 1140475 UserNameTAG: chrpats CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T18:08:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_General NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 454 TitleTAG: Hello from Atlanta, Georgia Looking forward to the course. -Sarkis- UserIdTAG: 278954 UserNameTAG: seinarsson CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T17:18:57Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_General NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Welcome Sarkis, I helped build many of the large buildings and power plants there. Miss the dogwoods most. Only cactus here in AZ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T04:04:41Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sarkis! I'm a Boston transplant who was born and raised about an hour north of Atlanta in Habersham, GA. Man, I miss wearing flip flops in March. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1221428 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilegunn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T21:42:44Z IndexTAG: 455 TitleTAG: Hello Hello from Indonesia :) UserIdTAG: 1366127 UserNameTAG: Sharren CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T17:05:16Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: CB22x_2013_Spring_General NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: hola de colombia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 677328 FirstChildUserNameTAG: hollyEvy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T17:12:59Z FirstChildTAG: Hi everybody! Hola desde uruguay!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1374974 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Susanaines FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T18:19:20Z IndexTAG: 456 TitleTAG: Hello! Bonjour! Salvete! Hello there! I'm currently a sophomore in highschool and found this one day on edX. I take Latin and love Roman culture and history, and hopefully I can say the same for Greek culture! It's a pleasure to meet all of you :) If you need help with anything, let me know :) Valete! UserIdTAG: 1353153 UserNameTAG: SPapay CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T16:30:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 457 TitleTAG: greetings Hello everybody. Just very glad to be part of this global, educational effort. I salute all my e-classmates from around the world. One question for prof. Nagy. Since I am Greek and since I have a rather sufficient knowledge of ancient greek, would it be better for me to read the texts in their original language or is it better to read them in english? Thank you for the learning opportunity and the chance to reach knowledge through top institutions of the world.Stiliani. UserIdTAG: 1331092 UserNameTAG: stiliani CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T15:55:28Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear stiliani, I think it is always great if you can read the original! But the course is 100% accessible even without such language skills. And Professor Nagy has been working for decades on the editions in the Sourcebook, which include key term transliterated from ancient Greek into English. This will allow everyone to track these key ideas throughout all the readings. Let us know how it is going!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T01:44:24Z IndexTAG: 458 TitleTAG: Hello everyone I loveancient history and myths and I'm anxious to make this course. UserIdTAG: 1364233 UserNameTAG: Vanessaf CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T12:16:53Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 459 TitleTAG: Hello from Rome! Great initiative. UserIdTAG: 1363730 UserNameTAG: mad72 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T10:23:14Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 460 TitleTAG: Hello from Sri Lanka I'm very excited and looking forward to learn. UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T09:21:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Sri Lankan! My son is in Goyambokka, near Tangalle in the far south of your country. I am in Allentown, PA, USA, yet I have heard such marvelous accounts about Sri Lanka from my son over the years that I feel almost as if I have seen your land. Glorious place and lovely people and it is nice to see that you are taking this course; the world is small. Yin Meng FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1456863 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Yinmeng FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-25T18:09:52Z IndexTAG: 461 TitleTAG: Welcome From New Jersey My name is Amy Gaines and I live in Central NJ. I recently got married 2.5 years ago. I live with my husband and twin 17 year old stepdaughters. They are great. I also have another stepdaughter who has a daughter who is 2. It is a great and enjoyable time as a grandmother and also getting a chance to witness her birth. I just started working at a company name United Legwear as a Logistics Coordinator and love it. The company is great and the people are great. I get discounts on Puma clothing and shoes so love it. When you wait for something God always brings the best to People who continue to pray. I have Bachelors in Marketing from Marywood University and 2 Masters. I have an MBA from University of Phoenix a Masters in Project Management from Keller Graduate School, which I got in 2006. I love school and look forward to learning from everyone and if anyone needs helps with things don’t hesitate to email me directly at Aimstermill51@aol.com. It is easier to follow then these posts. Nice meeting you all. UserIdTAG: 411228 UserNameTAG: aimster CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T04:04:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Too. Much. Information. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 131990 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DioneGr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T17:11:01Z IndexTAG: 462 TitleTAG: Hello from Edinburgh, Scotland I am quite excited about studying this course and look forward to learning more about the world of the ancient Greeks. UserIdTAG: 1304604 UserNameTAG: JohnHadden CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T22:48:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: My brother's favorite country to visit is Scotland. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T01:15:47Z FirstChildTAG: it is fantastic to see how many people from all over the world are interested in this subject. ) I am excited. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1311236 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Katyaso FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T12:07:23Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome John! I hope we can become friends and help each other through the course!~ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060449 FirstChildUserNameTAG: okellyn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T16:19:38Z SecondChildTAG: Hi John...just finished my first MOOC course at U. of Ed. Introduction to Philosophy...100,000 students but it was amazing...even got to know some students and even one great professor! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 920384 SecondChildUserNameTAG: justmary SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T16:34:41Z IndexTAG: 463 TitleTAG: Hello Hi I'm Ginette from Rochester, NY. Studying art and art history. This course seems very interesting to me! UserIdTAG: 1010103 UserNameTAG: ginette0209 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:47:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Ginette! I'm from Richfield Springs, NY (near Cooperstown) but currently living in Morocco. Good luck in the course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1350626 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KatieSeamon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T01:27:49Z IndexTAG: 464 TitleTAG: good luck! hello, future coleagues, looking forward to debateing with you during courses! i'm Dorina and i'm from Bucharest, Romania! good luck to you all! UserIdTAG: 1258145 UserNameTAG: nedolu CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:01:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hey, I'm living also in Bucharest! Let's create our own cohort! How about the "Diomedes Cohort"? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893048 FirstChildUserNameTAG: porfyrus FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T00:22:27Z IndexTAG: 465 TitleTAG: Best wishes from Holbrook, MA Here's to hoping that all of you are well. I know very little about Greek heroes and anti-heroes, but I hold high hopes that this course will help to change this. I look forward to the opportunity to gain a new perspective, and find it humorous to think that this would come from ancient Greece. -Bonnie B. UserIdTAG: 1105252 UserNameTAG: BonnieB CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T16:55:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello, Bonnie! I just read your message sitting at my desk on the other side of the world. My name is Maria, I live in Greece and I know a bit about heroes and heroines, but I believe that one should always delve deeper into knowledge. The one thing I can say, these stories are at least fascinating and full of universal truth. I also think that going back sometimes is the road to the future. May you find what you are looking for in this course! Maria K. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1344922 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mariakgl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:24:50Z IndexTAG: 466 TitleTAG: Hello from the Philippines! cant wait for march 15! UserIdTAG: 1321755 UserNameTAG: JunaJane CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T11:41:25Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Hello! :D I am so excited to start this course. :D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 240105 FirstChildUserNameTAG: be3mbellen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T15:16:42Z SecondChildTAG: hi SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1065618 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Merter SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T15:26:03Z SecondChildTAG: anung group sa philippines? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 932862 SecondChildUserNameTAG: makibao SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T00:32:43Z SecondChildTAG: HIya SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1322225 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ixiealltheway SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T00:53:58Z FirstChildTAG: Can't wait also FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1362702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: earlkyo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T05:56:50Z FirstChildTAG: Hi. I'm from the Philippines and I'm glad to have met someone here from the Phils. It's great that these kinds of courses are available online wherein education is given freely. I hope more people learn about this site. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1346001 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Clare013 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:07:47Z FirstChildTAG: hi! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 932862 FirstChildUserNameTAG: makibao FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T00:37:08Z IndexTAG: 467 TitleTAG: Hi! is there any filipino here??? UserIdTAG: 1321755 UserNameTAG: JunaJane CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T11:40:58Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 468 TitleTAG: Hello from Madrid! I guess I'm not the only Spanish speaking person here so I would also like to say "¡Hola desde Madrid!" I've just decided to register for this course. I'm studying a Mediterranean Classical Archaeology Master Degree at the Universidad Complutense here in Madrid so I think that this course is a perfect complement for it. I'm focusing on Iconography issues due to my History of Art degree. It's a pleasure to be here. I hope we enjoy this course. UserIdTAG: 1354325 UserNameTAG: AdrianaR CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T03:45:47Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: My background it theatre, which I have taught a few times and practice professionally in New York. Glad to be here with you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1230416 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ccsysd05 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T12:00:27Z IndexTAG: 469 TitleTAG: Hi! I recently finished my Masters Degree and related professional certification. I now have free time that I haven't had in years and thought this might be an interesting way to spend it! I have no background in Greek literature at all but I'm excited to learn about something new! I look forward to learning with, and from, all of you. UserIdTAG: 1353358 UserNameTAG: CEB15 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T02:15:51Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 470 TitleTAG: hi i,m tracey i am 49 years old i just lost my job because i have been off work awaiting an operation for abnormal cells in my stomach and throat, i am stuck at home so i joined mit course on global poverty which is on week four tomorrow, i noticed this course and thought it would be interesting so i joined this as well, it is a great priviledge to be able to to join courses with these wonderful educational establishment for free, so i am taking all the opportunities i can, i hope everyone enjoys the course i am sure i will. it will be nice also to make new friends. tracey UserIdTAG: 1143026 UserNameTAG: maiziebanner CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T23:21:27Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 471 TitleTAG: Αρχαιος Ελληνας Ηρωας Good evening from Athens.Καλησπέρα απο Ελλάδα UserIdTAG: 1349926 UserNameTAG: Thanos-Daniel CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T21:50:29Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Geia sas! Kalimera apo tin Armenia :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1345205 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nushka FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T12:19:45Z SecondChildTAG: Geia sou Armenia! Eyxomai ena kommati Elladas na se akolouthei panta! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1359751 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DimTheo67 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T19:33:38Z FirstChildTAG: Good evening from Volos. Ηope to have a very good time following this course.Christina Tz. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1304373 FirstChildUserNameTAG: christinatzoum FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T22:00:53Z FirstChildTAG: Good evening from Thessaloniki!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1360625 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sophiekara FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T22:30:10Z FirstChildTAG: Kalispera kai apo mena ( Athens ) !! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1366692 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Arisss FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T22:23:15Z FirstChildTAG: good afternoon from Athens and the modern Greek heroes!!!!!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1334491 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maria33gr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T18:50:32Z SecondChildTAG: Humanity eagerly awaits for their appearance, Maria... We need to recreate the "Έλλην" out of ourselves and we need to make it fast! Χαιρετισμούς από την Κρήτη! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1235336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EleniS SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T12:02:37Z IndexTAG: 472 TitleTAG: Hello from Dallas, Texas! Hello everyone, My name is Jordan, and I'm a student of classics and ancient history living in Dallas, Texas. I lived in Cyprus last year and picked up a bit of modern Greek, and I've also been studying Ancient Greek since June. Last semester, I had the pleasure to read a Plato's Crito & Euthyphro and a bit of Homer. This semester, I'm reading Herodotus Book 1 (which is so much fun), and Sophocle's Antigone. The last year has been a long lesson in slow reading vs fast reading. In my history classes, it was normal to read a couple books a week plus many articles, but in my philology classes we only read about 50 lines a night. The quest is to understand every word and every piece of grammar and how does it relate to the bigger themes of the work. At first, I HATED it, but it has grown on me. There is so much to discover in every line! I decided to take this course, because I've never taken a course on Ancient Greek literature in translation. This seemed like a great way to focus my reading before starting graduate school in the fall. Plus it is so fantastic to be taking a course with people from all over the world! All the best and good luck to us all, Jordan UserIdTAG: 1333545 UserNameTAG: jordanj CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T21:00:01Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear jordanj, thank you for enrolling! We are cheering on your "quest to understand every word." Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T22:28:43Z SecondChildTAG: Hey there! My name is Erin and I live in Dallas too. Can't wait for the course to start! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1021607 SecondChildUserNameTAG: erinadams13 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T01:52:46Z IndexTAG: 473 TitleTAG: Hello From Portugal It goes for many months that I don't touch in the Iliad, today I went to get it to lend to a friend that needs to do some research, and I thought "What I'm waiting for?!"... So here I am. Since child I just love greek and roman mythology, I grew up dreaming with greek heroes, and always wanted to have a more profound knowledge about the subjects - who doesn't?! And of course to understand the backgounds of my on culture So will be with a profound pleasure that I will do this course. To everybody, good a study... and a wonderful journey. It's great to be here with you and with Professors and edX team! :) UserIdTAG: 1077942 UserNameTAG: AnaRoldao1 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T19:47:57Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: I am amazed by how many people speak more than one language. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T19:59:19Z SecondChildTAG: Specially greek... I'm getting start to be curious about that language... This type of courses has this great thing - join people of all over the world - it's amazing! I love it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1077942 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AnaRoldao1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T16:55:44Z FirstChildTAG: Great to be here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1230416 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ccsysd05 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T11:53:40Z SecondChildTAG: Great to have you here as a collegue :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1077942 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AnaRoldao1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T16:56:12Z FirstChildTAG: **Viva Portugal! Great to see another portuguese** FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1320351 FirstChildUserNameTAG: David-Vincent FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T14:47:32Z SecondChildTAG: Olá... com esse **Viva Portugal** :) Adoro a energia!!! It's great for me to... and I don't know what the other portuguese are waiting to introduce themselfs... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1077942 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AnaRoldao1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T16:52:39Z SecondChildTAG: olá, Portugal! nice meeting you here :) Bom curso! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1367382 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Teresa9 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T20:59:26Z IndexTAG: 474 TitleTAG: news about Sourcebook..? Is there a link to the Sourcebook for the course or it's not available yet? UserIdTAG: 1241566 UserNameTAG: vasileios_dimoglidis CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T15:40:04Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi vasileios, the version we are going to use for the course (which is significantly different from previous versions which are available online) has not yet been posted. Here is perhaps the most important difference: we have inserted into this version Professor Nagy's translation of 250 carefully chosen passages or "texts" around which we will focus much of our course discussion. The translation of these passages or "texts" will match the translation given in *The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours*. So I know it's hard to wait, but I think it will worth it!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T16:20:18Z FirstChildTAG: Hi vasileios The "Course Info" page has just been updated to reflect the status of the books. As we've previously noted, these texts are being revised and updated specifically for your use. They should now be available before the end of this week. Once posted, they will be accessible from the primary navigation bar at the top of the page. Please stay tuned to the "Course Info" page for more on this and other updates and announcements about the course! Thank you very much for your patience and your participation! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jeffemanuel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T01:05:24Z IndexTAG: 475 TitleTAG: Good Day Fellow Students This site is really amazing...I'm really looking forward to the start of the class/lectures...I hope everyone learns and enjoy greek culture..Godbless..:) UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T14:49:37Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: As am I! I am an Ancient/Medieval History graduate student at San Jose State University, and our department does not offer a similar course. I am very excited! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1352862 FirstChildUserNameTAG: loashley FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T01:06:53Z IndexTAG: 476 TitleTAG: Travelling to Myth or Life? Welcome to everyone. Travelling to **Myth** or **Life**? Who knows! but ... What I know is that I know , The travelling begins...... Best,George UserIdTAG: 1294932 UserNameTAG: george05gr CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T10:25:20Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 477 TitleTAG: ¿Colombia o suramérica? Well, I think this is awesome. It'll be very nice to study with you all, regards from Colombia. UserIdTAG: 1344334 UserNameTAG: WiccaNx44 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T05:07:43Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I am from Argentina... Good to be here. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 462642 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ANDYFLOG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T20:01:11Z FirstChildTAG: Hello paisano (a) It will be a pleasure to share this amazing experience with you and all the rest students!!!this is my e-mail. libardoangarita@gmail.com FirstChildUserIdTAG: 968112 FirstChildUserNameTAG: libardoangarita FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T01:34:07Z IndexTAG: 478 TitleTAG: Very excited! I am very excited to take this course--studied it in college years ago. Cindy USA (Washington, DC) UserIdTAG: 869468 UserNameTAG: CFArnold CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T12:59:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 479 TitleTAG: Hi from Ely (Cambridge) UK Great to be on this course and joining you guys. Looking forward to having mind blown away. Good luck everybody! DanAtEly UserIdTAG: 217115 UserNameTAG: DanAtEly CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T12:59:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi from Dasha(Moscow)RF I agree with you,it's really good place to our practice,where we can to know a lot of interesting things and meet good people) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342395 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DariaMaleva FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T18:17:10Z SecondChildTAG: Well, there's Russians and Filipinos and Mexicans, Indians, Brazilians, British .... Yes, they must all be goood peple. Nice to know you, Daria, Dan. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 217115 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DanAtEly SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T18:24:42Z IndexTAG: 480 TitleTAG: Hello from the Ozark Mountains, AR, USA I am so glad to have enrolled in this course and just can't wait for it to start. Looking forward to conversing with everyone. Mara UserIdTAG: 1005827 UserNameTAG: MSJarrett CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T07:18:52Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Glad to see a neighbor in the class. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1007496 FirstChildUserNameTAG: WMJAMESJR FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T17:43:05Z IndexTAG: 481 TitleTAG: Greetings from Uzbekistan, Tashkent Hi everybody. Ia m Dilnoza from Uzbekistan. I studied Ancient Greek Literature when I was a student. I am really happy to attend this course and want to swim again in the magic ocean of this unique masterpieces. I hope this course will help me to open up more beautiful features of Ancient world.Good luck!!! UserIdTAG: 909658 UserNameTAG: Dilnoza CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T18:54:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 482 TitleTAG: luis from Santiago, Chile, South America Hi everybody I'm very excited about the upcoming course and hope that we will spend a good time working together UserIdTAG: 1115188 UserNameTAG: sioulvaradalo CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T17:15:47Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome! Greetings from Santiago de Chile too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1023474 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NatGaete FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T17:40:30Z IndexTAG: 483 TitleTAG: Exact course time The website indicates this course will start from Mar.13. At what time will the course start? east or west time frame? thank you!! Thanks for the generosity and givings of those joined schools and great professors, their contribution means a lot to the world!! UserIdTAG: 1335726 UserNameTAG: FreddieL CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T14:02:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi FreddieL, I'm not sure we can give an exact hour for when the first lectures will be posted. But we are so eager to start!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T04:22:34Z FirstChildTAG: Hi ClaudiaFilos, Thanks for your feedback. The course will start tomorrow, really cannot wait... and I am glad we are classmates..... freddie FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1335726 FirstChildUserNameTAG: FreddieL FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T02:25:46Z IndexTAG: 484 TitleTAG: Greetings from Athens, Greece Hello from Athens. My name is Stathis, I'm a software engineer and I like reading philosophy in my free time. I joined this course because I believe it shows how humanism was initially developed in ancient Greek civilization, rediscovered in Renaissance and to my opinion that was the main cause, for the development of Western civilisation in modern times. I hope we all enjoy this mental trip to the foundations of our culture. UserIdTAG: 1321077 UserNameTAG: stathisp CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T13:42:53Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:18:15Z IndexTAG: 485 TitleTAG: Greetings from Aleka, Athens, Greece Hello everybody joining this course from all over the world! Really nice to see so many people interested - Greeks and not only! Greetings to all! Aleka UserIdTAG: 1335975 UserNameTAG: AlekaP CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T13:19:52Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:05:24Z IndexTAG: 486 TitleTAG: Is there similar content to this course on iTunes U? I am completely new to this topic, and would like to do a little preparation.... UserIdTAG: 1099483 UserNameTAG: IainDavie CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T12:10:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:05:12Z SecondChildTAG: thanks SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1099483 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IainDavie SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T11:57:18Z FirstChildTAG: There are some ItunesU courses on ancient Greek history and culture. See [this forum thread][1]. Or jump right to Itunes: Donald Kagan on Ancient Greek History (Yale Online Courses), [video][2], [audio][3]. I also recommend lessons 4, 5 and 6 of this course about the [history of architecture][4] by Prof. Jacqueline Gargus, Knowlton School of Architecture, Ohio State University. These courses are about ancient Minoan, Mycenean and Greek architecture and art. [1]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/511d52fda1cbed1f0000000f [2]: https://itunes.apple.com/us/itunes-u/ancient-greek-history-video/id341652005 [3]: https://itunes.apple.com/us/itunes-u/ancient-greek-history-audio/id341651987 [4]: https://itunes.apple.com/us/course/history-of-architecture-i/id570008367 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 171100 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Oliver_Schafeld FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-22T08:16:16Z IndexTAG: 487 TitleTAG: greetings hello from greece;) UserIdTAG: 1335552 UserNameTAG: natasavl CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T11:22:05Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Kalamata!!! :D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1330937 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GabriellaGreece FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T11:38:37Z SecondChildTAG: Good afternoon from Athens, Greece. Nice to see so many Greeks participating in this course! Aleka SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1335975 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AlekaP SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T13:12:56Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Armenia!!!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1335116 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lilyok SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T09:58:48Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:05:02Z IndexTAG: 488 TitleTAG: Hello from UKraine Hi to everybody, hope to study a lot of interesting things despite my location. Let's do something important. UserIdTAG: 1334812 UserNameTAG: Tsenyukh CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T09:59:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:04:43Z IndexTAG: 489 TitleTAG: Greetings from Patrai, Greece Excited by the new course. UserIdTAG: 1335043 UserNameTAG: MirkaKar CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T09:18:06Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα! Χαίρομαι που βλέπω κι άλλον πατρινό συμμετέχοντα στο πρόγραμμα! Λέγομαι Νάσος Σόλας και μένω στο Μιντιλόγλι! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 251067 FirstChildUserNameTAG: solasathak FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T13:06:41Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:04:36Z IndexTAG: 490 TitleTAG: Greetings from The Trully Asia, Indonesia hi guys... iam so excited of this online course. i cant wait to see you all here any longer to discuss about the The Ancient Greek Hero... UserIdTAG: 1193006 UserNameTAG: makmursp CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T07:35:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:04:30Z IndexTAG: 491 TitleTAG: Hello from Castle Rock, Washington, US. I am looking forward to the cohort, learning and universal experience. UserIdTAG: 1273754 UserNameTAG: sw1703 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T05:11:07Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:04:05Z IndexTAG: 492 TitleTAG: G'day from Byron Bay, Australia Great to be here, all the best with your studies people Steve UserIdTAG: 1333542 UserNameTAG: stevie8 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T01:42:49Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 493 TitleTAG: Greetings... Hello all. I've just joined edX. I've tried out other courses on here but gave up due to the sheer confusion I had because I didn't know algebra (I'm in middleschool). Hopefully I won't have to quit this, but thankfully I can't think of a reason why this would be too hard. I''m excited to hopefully finish my first edX. Good Luck everyone! UserIdTAG: 1053699 UserNameTAG: Abiathar CreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T01:31:53Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 494 TitleTAG: Hi from Kent in the UK Looking forward to the course and learning about those Ancient Greek Heroes. UserIdTAG: 1243128 UserNameTAG: Chrysalus CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T23:43:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello, I'm also from Kent (Beckenham to be specific). Really looking forward to this! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1393930 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aylesford FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T12:53:25Z IndexTAG: 495 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece :) Hello everyone, I am looking forward to start courses on ancient Greek culture!!!! I am from Greece but I am sure I can learn a lot during our courses. So have a good start! UserIdTAG: 1332595 UserNameTAG: Anastasia-Greece CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T21:19:59Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:03:30Z IndexTAG: 496 TitleTAG: Greetings Hello all, I'm looking forward this course to start, Greek mythologies is a wide world and I enjoy reading and learning more about it. Have a good day. UserIdTAG: 1332575 UserNameTAG: TeyaAya CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T21:06:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:03:26Z IndexTAG: 497 TitleTAG: GREETINGS FROM ATHENS At present I am studying at the department of "Conservation of antiquities and works of art" in Athens, Greece and I am really looking forward for this course to start. UserIdTAG: 1332251 UserNameTAG: Liselotte CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T20:39:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: What a wonderful place to study. You really are a lucky little Hellene! Hope we can both benefit from this unusual course. Good luck. Dan at Ely (UK) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 217115 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DanAtEly FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T22:26:24Z SecondChildTAG: There are many people from Greece in the group so it should prove to be a valuable addition to perspectives. Good to see everyone interacting already. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T02:41:14Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:03:21Z IndexTAG: 498 TitleTAG: Greeting from Athens !! Nice one !! Can't wait ! UserIdTAG: 1332168 UserNameTAG: gios_ths_afhs CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T20:07:55Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi! me too! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1334807 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MrnMathioud FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T08:36:17Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:03:14Z IndexTAG: 499 TitleTAG: Greetings from Thrace Hello from North-Eastern Greece, the land of Orpheus! UserIdTAG: 1127410 UserNameTAG: Haritomeni CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T20:04:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:03:08Z IndexTAG: 500 TitleTAG: Greetings from Athens I feel really excited for taking this course. I hope we all enjoy it UserIdTAG: 1331907 UserNameTAG: takounas CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T19:40:03Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:03:04Z IndexTAG: 501 TitleTAG: Hello from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Hello from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. UserIdTAG: 1331489 UserNameTAG: aefavant CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T18:15:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Greece is a long way from Rio, but both are fantastic. Good luck with the course. Dan at Ely (UK) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 217115 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DanAtEly FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T22:28:06Z SecondChildTAG: good morning from greece also!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1334640 SecondChildUserNameTAG: afrodite SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T07:39:58Z SecondChildTAG: Olá .. também sou do Brasil ... escrevo de São Paulo! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1343346 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LUCIANALOPES SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T22:58:47Z SecondChildTAG: Good afternoon! I am Brazilian, living in Rio de Janeiro, and I am very happy to be participating in this course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 964616 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Vilanova SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-16T21:41:52Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:02:48Z FirstChildTAG: Olá! Também escrevo do Brasil, São Paulo. Na expectativa para a primeira aula...Abraços! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 980653 FirstChildUserNameTAG: OL13 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T20:36:55Z FirstChildTAG: Opa! Achei os brasileiros! Eu sou de Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul. Na expectativa também! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1249823 FirstChildUserNameTAG: anjerq FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:07:26Z FirstChildTAG: Olá pessoal! Moro nos Estados Unidos, mas também sou carioca! Bom encontrar os brasileiros por aqui! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 987958 FirstChildUserNameTAG: marcialg123 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T04:08:37Z IndexTAG: 502 TitleTAG: greetings Hello everybody from Piraeus Greece. Hoping to do a meaningful job together. UserIdTAG: 1331092 UserNameTAG: stiliani CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T17:12:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi there. I studied architecture in Greece for a few weeks and dropped by Piraeus. Had a magnificent time. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T02:34:34Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:02:41Z IndexTAG: 503 TitleTAG: Hello from Little Falls, MN Hello, I am looking forward to revisiting some of the Ancient Greek stories, etc. that I learned in my youth. Maria UserIdTAG: 1069416 UserNameTAG: ensamhat CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T16:00:38Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi Maria, I did my undergraduate work at the U of MN in Minnesota. How's the weather? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T02:35:34Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:02:35Z IndexTAG: 504 TitleTAG: Hi, I am Denys from Toronto Hello, everyone I am taking an ethics course at college, and I find the origins of the moral theories very interesting. Reading Plato's Republic and others material in this course encouraged me to learn more, as there are a lot of references to works of Homer and other writes of antiquity. Just thinking that Homer predates Plato by a few hundreds of years blows my mind. UserIdTAG: 433150 UserNameTAG: gera416 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T14:58:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Nice to have another Torontonian in the course. I am Edmund and I have had this desire to read ancient Greek literature for some time. So I will finally do it. Edmund FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1296644 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Edmund0AB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T01:30:57Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:02:27Z IndexTAG: 505 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens, Greece Hi, this is Hale. looking forward to learn more about ancient history of Greece! best wishes to everyone.. UserIdTAG: 1256408 UserNameTAG: alpmen CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T14:25:20Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:02:21Z IndexTAG: 506 TitleTAG: Hello from London Hello everyone, I recently started researching MOOCS and find the concept very exciting. I watched a video of a talk about the benefit of MOOCS and, as a result, have taken the advice that "if you want to see the benefits of MOOCS you need to take a course to experience the process". So, here I am, just a day later, having signed up for a course that really interests me. I have always been fascinated by the Ancient Greeks and vaguely remember studying Homer at school (way back in the 1970s) but I come to this course with no real knowledge but with an eagerness to learn from people who do. I look forward to the whole journey we'll be embarking on together. Kaye Nightingale UserIdTAG: 1329635 UserNameTAG: KayeNightingale CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T14:21:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Thanks so much for enrolling! We hope it's a wonderful experience!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T19:15:49Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Kaye, I became curious about MOOCs too. Lots of talk about them on Twitter and campus. Good Luck! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T02:37:53Z FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:02:15Z IndexTAG: 507 TitleTAG: Greetings from Mill Valley, California Hello. I hope everyone will have a good experience. I am looking forward to this class. Thank you to everyone who helped to organize the platform, put the class together, and made it free for all. Take care, S. UserIdTAG: 1324698 UserNameTAG: passingtime CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T13:46:01Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Google+ group is here http://goo.gl/Ylfe0 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T16:01:58Z IndexTAG: 508 TitleTAG: Greetings from Boston, MA USA Hello all, Looking forward to study The Ancient Greek Hero. Hope to get to know some of you a little bit. Monti UserIdTAG: 260701 UserNameTAG: DMonti CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T13:24:56Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone. I'm very excited about this endeavor. I'm a Studio Arts Ed. MA student in New Jersey with an interest in learning. I look forward to a serious turn with the Classics. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1333693 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zerillia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T02:32:51Z IndexTAG: 509 TitleTAG: Greetings from Denmark. Hi my name is Lise and I,m looking forward to attending this course. UserIdTAG: 1329621 UserNameTAG: LiseFroulund CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T13:09:05Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Lise! I am also very excited about this course. This is my first EdX/Coursera course. Best regards, Anne (Copenhagen) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1291612 FirstChildUserNameTAG: An_Vas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T23:17:23Z IndexTAG: 510 TitleTAG: Greetimgs from Jerusalem, Israel Hello eveyone, I have always been interested in greek history/methology, so im very much looking forward for this course. Cheers everyone and good luck :) UserIdTAG: 1325497 UserNameTAG: GodforSaken CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T10:56:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 511 TitleTAG: Greetings from Corfu - Greece My name is Terry and I live in Corfu island in Greece. I 'm a philologist and teach ancient and modern Greek language. I 'm pretty excited to start this great course. Greetings to you all! UserIdTAG: 1328809 UserNameTAG: TerryTz CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T10:02:51Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 512 TitleTAG: Hello from China Hi! This is so awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am very excited for the class to begin. And I'm nervous too because I feel like my brain doesn't work as good as it used to. But I like the professor's introduction where he explained that this is especially for people who don't have experience even with translations of the Greek Classics. And also his explanation of slow vs. fast reading, made me feel like I could do this work probably. It's worth a shot at least. Bye everyone, see you later in our cyber classroom :))) UserIdTAG: 1322199 UserNameTAG: Kistee CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T08:40:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Don't be nervous! Just enjoy the class :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 869468 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CFArnold FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:09:26Z IndexTAG: 513 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens, Greece! Hello, my name is Christine and I am an Archaeologist. Happy to be in this group and excited about the cource UserIdTAG: 1328180 UserNameTAG: xroma CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T07:15:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Glyfada, Greece. Best wishes to all of you. So excited about this course!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1332152 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mike_Glyfada_21 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T20:39:02Z IndexTAG: 514 TitleTAG: hello from the Philippines goodluck to all of us that are taking up this course.let us enjoy. UserIdTAG: 1037472 UserNameTAG: elena-dc CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T02:16:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: The PI!!! I work with a non-profit that operates in Cavite. Love the country FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1290780 FirstChildUserNameTAG: als408 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T19:09:12Z IndexTAG: 515 TitleTAG: Greetings from Greece, Patras.. Hello..I'm 22 years old.. This forum and the course at general is amazing. I'm very happy to be part of that community. I hope we can learn all together to develop our knowledge of humanity and of course to learn who we are.. Greetings from Greece... Evagelos B. UserIdTAG: 1326453 UserNameTAG: Evagelos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T00:57:27Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα Βαγγέλη! Είσαι ο δεύτερος πατρινός που εντοπίζω σήμερα! Λέγομαι Νάσος Σόλας και ζω στο Μιντιλόγλι! Καλό μας κουράγιο στο πρόγραμμα αυτό! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 251067 FirstChildUserNameTAG: solasathak FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T13:09:50Z IndexTAG: 516 TitleTAG: CamilleH I want to know everything and I'm gonna die trying! I am particularly interested in the question "how did we get here?" meaning whatever the state of affairs in human thought or practice in which we find ourselves (collectively) and ancient Greek thought has so much to do with the answer. Professionally, I write books and thirst for more knowledge about story-telling and heroes. I am so grateful to the internet and to Harvard for making a course of this quality possible for me, an adult with a life far away from Cambridge. UserIdTAG: 1311707 UserNameTAG: CamilleH CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T22:49:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 517 TitleTAG: Greetings from a Greek fellow wayfarer. Hi, my name is Stefanos and i'm really excited for being a part of this inquiring company. UserIdTAG: 1325388 UserNameTAG: stepallas CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T20:57:06Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi, Stefanos! Hope that the course will meet up to our great expectations! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1325480 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bousoulas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T21:04:54Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, bous! Nice having you on-board! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1325388 SecondChildUserNameTAG: stepallas SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T21:06:59Z SecondChildTAG: HI STEFANE MY NAME IS EIRINI AND I AM EXCITED TOO SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1276068 SecondChildUserNameTAG: eskopeli SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T21:10:32Z IndexTAG: 518 TitleTAG: Question regarding how long one can go without doing coursework ;-) I realise the title is probably an overly cheeky way of asking, but I was wondering how long a pause you can potentially take without interfering with the progress of the course. Months ago, before signing up for this course, I planned my vacation, which is a two week cruise of the eastern mediterranean, mainly Greece and Turkey. I will be gone for two weeks in June and was wondering whether that was going to cause any problems with the coursework. I can still do reading, but probably won't be able to complete tests or assignments while I am gone. Can anybody please give me a quick heads up whether that is going to pose any problems? Regards, Marc - Bachelor of Business Administration, 40 years old, Frankfurt/Germany UserIdTAG: 1116747 UserNameTAG: Marc_Hofmann CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T20:53:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: The advice suggests that if you get 4 weeks behind, you'll be in trouble. Looking at the syllabus, I suspect that that's very optimistic! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T10:27:38Z SecondChildTAG: Well, I guess I will find out either way. :) I am doing this course because I am interested in the topic, so I won't mind too much if I miss a test. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1116747 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Marc_Hofmann SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T20:46:28Z IndexTAG: 519 TitleTAG: Hello from Dublin Hi All My name is Marcin. I'm Polish but I live in Dublin, Ireland. Anyone there from around here? UserIdTAG: 905926 UserNameTAG: MarcinJ77 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T19:53:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 520 TitleTAG: Hello from Spain! I am just 18 and I am interested on this course just for deeping in the ancient greek culture. UserIdTAG: 1325112 UserNameTAG: mianpilelo CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T19:51:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 521 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece Hello from Greece.. My name is Maria and though I have studied Archaelogy I am looking forward having one more opportunity exploring ancient Greek Heroes and literature... UserIdTAG: 1324163 UserNameTAG: karali1983 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T19:13:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 522 TitleTAG: Greetings from Pennsylvania Hi everybody-My name is Roselle Zubey. I am looking forward to this couse so I thought I would take a minute to introduce myself and say hello. My knowledge of Greek Literature is limited to what I learned when I saw the movie Troy back in 2004. I really loved that movie so I am keenly anticipating learning the real stories of the heroes in that film. Well I'll keep this short for now. Take good care. UserIdTAG: 170472 UserNameTAG: rzubey CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T18:38:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Roselle, What part of Pennsylvania do you live in? I live in Pittsburgh and Hollidaysburg. Jan FirstChildUserIdTAG: 902688 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JanLittrell FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T20:59:18Z SecondChildTAG: I'm a Philadelphian :0) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1383460 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JJingram SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T23:39:27Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, I live in Pittsburgh but will soon be leaving for my summer home in Ireland. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1383632 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mags56 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T14:31:07Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Philadelphia! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1329336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mustazza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T12:03:54Z IndexTAG: 523 TitleTAG: Hopefully looking forward to this experience Hopefully looking forward to this experience and knowledge about the ancient Greek hero. Eduardo Coelho, Sao Jose, Brazil. UserIdTAG: 1055637 UserNameTAG: EduardoCoelho CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T18:07:06Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 524 TitleTAG: Greetings from Alabama Hi, everyone. My name is Adam Wear and I am looking forward to participating in this course. The idea of edX excites me because I work in online learning and teach composition online for a University down here. I am looking forward to learning from and with some of the best in the world. UserIdTAG: 1323780 UserNameTAG: anwear CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T17:22:20Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 525 TitleTAG: Hello From France I'm very proud to participate at this "Ancient greek hero" course. David UserIdTAG: 1320351 UserNameTAG: David-Vincent CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T13:55:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 526 TitleTAG: HEllo !! hi there! i'm Juna Jane Novie Ruyeras... you can add me as your friend here http://www.facebook.com/jruyeras?ref=tn_tnmn hope to have friends with you .. :) UserIdTAG: 1321755 UserNameTAG: JunaJane CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T12:58:20Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 527 TitleTAG: Greetings hi there!! from the philippines :) UserIdTAG: 1321755 UserNameTAG: JunaJane CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T12:49:51Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 528 TitleTAG: Greetings from the Netherlands Greetings to fellow students: It's fascinating to see people from all over the world signing up to this course. I have a rudimentary grasp of Greek history and mythology, mostly picking up bits of information second-hand from books about other subjects that touched on the classics. For a long time I've been promising myself to make an effort and read the original texts (in English translation) so taking this course under the tutelage of an eminent professor was too good an opportunity to pass up. I guess that like many others here, time is my principal enemy because of work commitments and family life. Still, very much looking forward to the online discussions and learning more about the Greek hero, especially how the ideas can apply to our society and ourselves today. UserIdTAG: 1085797 UserNameTAG: Angkor1 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T11:37:51Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: So glad you enrolled!! We are cheering you on!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T13:02:30Z IndexTAG: 529 TitleTAG: Hello from Australia Hi everyone, I'm a stay at home mum from Canberra, Australia. I'm feeling a little bored just being at home all day (even though my little man is my whole world) so I decided to try and get back into a little study. My postgrad degree is in Genetic Sciences (but I did an undergrad minor in European history). This is the first time I'm trying a course through edX and the flexible course really appeals. Looking forward to studying with all. Alix UserIdTAG: 1319777 UserNameTAG: alixdee CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T08:42:36Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 530 TitleTAG: Hello from Romania. Hello. Nice to see you all. UserIdTAG: 1065685 UserNameTAG: Prichindel CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T07:18:11Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 531 TitleTAG: After reading Prof.Nagy's 'advice for students'... Quite an itinerary our huge tour group will be covering. It's a revelation to learn that Nietzsche was a great Hellenist. UserIdTAG: 1000464 UserNameTAG: Janice02 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T02:57:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: So glad you enjoyed it! And just wait. It's going to get better!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T13:01:27Z IndexTAG: 532 TitleTAG: Better late than never... Hello everyone, from Bangkok! UserIdTAG: 1000464 UserNameTAG: Janice02 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T02:15:26Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 533 TitleTAG: Hi I`m From Chile How are you? I`m from Chile, and you? UserIdTAG: 795041 UserNameTAG: NicoDonaire CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T13:48:30Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 534 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens My name is Eugenia, I am very excited to participate in this course! Can't wait! UserIdTAG: 1239805 UserNameTAG: Jenny-Jenny CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T13:29:29Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 535 TitleTAG: Greetings from Margaret in Peachtree City, GA, USA. I'm really excited about this course. I teach English rhetoric, and I want to explore the relationship between logos and the hero. Archetypes of the hero have interested me for a long time. I also look forward to the discussions and the viewpoints from students with such varied backgrounds. This is going to be fun!!! Cheers, Margaret UserIdTAG: 1017741 UserNameTAG: Margaret22 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T12:52:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Margaret, I used to live in the Atlanta area. My son still lives in Locust Grove. Good luck on this journey. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T18:29:52Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Bobby, Good luck to you too. Margaret SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1017741 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Margaret22 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T22:58:23Z SecondChildTAG: My parents live in Locust Grove. Small world. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 907329 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bheca2002 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T16:42:48Z IndexTAG: 536 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens! My name is Dimitrios and i am very excited to participate in this course due to the fact i have study Ancient Greek History. I wish we have a wonderful time in this exciting course.Many Greetings to all of you!!! UserIdTAG: 1301705 UserNameTAG: Dimitrios_Kottos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T12:34:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: hello for all, i´m from Brazil! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1314976 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Foya FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T15:03:02Z SecondChildTAG: Hi everybody, I'm Vy from Vietnam! Glad to learn this course and discuss with all! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1316487 SecondChildUserNameTAG: thuyvy97 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T18:06:19Z FirstChildTAG: Greek literature is a really inspiring path to the world of wisdom...Socrates was the first man who believed in the spiritual power of human beings and tried via his method to make others believe in themselves.The hero of ancient world exists...is me and you and anyone who explore life through his own view of wisdom and try to experience the world with respect and honor!I'm glad to learn this course!!!!Hello to everybody!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1317384 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HLEKTRA FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T21:12:53Z IndexTAG: 537 TitleTAG: Hey People! So.. hi people! I'm Anusha Shetty From India.... You can catch me up on : http://www.facebook.com/anusha.shetty0288 Well.... I'd love to catch up with everyone (specially of my age!! PS: I'm 14!) UserIdTAG: 538536 UserNameTAG: Anushashetty CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T11:56:09Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi, hope we do well this term :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1033738 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PDsan FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T12:06:45Z IndexTAG: 538 TitleTAG: Hello from St. Petersburg, Russia! Hi! My name's Elvira. I've gained a degree in Humanities recently and at the moment I'm looking forward for new educational opportunities not to get stuck just in routine and office work. This is my first course taken distantly, and I hope it will be a great experience :) UserIdTAG: 1313420 UserNameTAG: Elvira_Bubnova CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T11:07:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: You're probably my nearest "neighbour". According to the new map of student locations (in Course Info), I'm the only one in Finland. That's a bit of a surprise. I would have expected more. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1070619 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aberwegian FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T08:58:09Z FirstChildTAG: [Русскоязычная группа][1] [1]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/51405404a0e1ab1f0000026f FirstChildUserIdTAG: 365767 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rutreider FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T10:46:48Z IndexTAG: 539 TitleTAG: Every journey begins with the first step Enrolment in this course is the start of my first step in the field of history, Greek or otherwise. Will be a fascinating journey no doubt as will experiencing the view points of others. UserIdTAG: 1295447 UserNameTAG: JESKE1953 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T09:19:16Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 540 TitleTAG: Well begun is half done Hello fellow teachers, My name is Neil, Its nice to be using edx. I can not wait for the fun! UserIdTAG: 507972 UserNameTAG: Radimaker CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T06:57:11Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 541 TitleTAG: Hi, from Southport, North Carolina I'm so excited to be enrolled in this class, I can't wait until it starts. UserIdTAG: 1125707 UserNameTAG: carolanne55 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T05:40:15Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 542 TitleTAG: Hello from Washington DC This ideal of cohorts(roman?) is very interesting UserIdTAG: 1311535 UserNameTAG: WilliamGreen CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T05:34:59Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I live in DC. I hope this will be a fun and exciting course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 869468 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CFArnold FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:15:33Z IndexTAG: 543 TitleTAG: Hi everyone!! Hi!! My name is Estefania and I'm from Guatemala!! It's really cool to see people from around the world interested in the same topic!! =) UserIdTAG: 1104996 UserNameTAG: Tefis555 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T04:47:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi,I'm from Vietnam, nice to meet you FirstChildUserIdTAG: 891843 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mizuki FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T12:05:09Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, I'm from Vietnam too, I'm in Saigon, where are you? What's your name? :D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1316487 SecondChildUserNameTAG: thuyvy97 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T17:46:59Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Estefania. It's great to meet you. I've taught ESL here in the U.S. and had wonderful students from Guatemala. I love this topic, and I'm looking forward to the course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017741 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Margaret22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T12:12:40Z IndexTAG: 544 TitleTAG: Greeting Hi everybody, I am Vladimir from Bogota, Colombia, I was been expecting for this course. I will enjoy it and learn so much. UserIdTAG: 34983 UserNameTAG: vladimirperez CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T00:00:32Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 545 TitleTAG: hello hi everybody! My name is Tatiana. im from Perú, im very excited to take this course. UserIdTAG: 1125701 UserNameTAG: Tatigrace CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T23:58:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 546 TitleTAG: Kia Ora from New Zealand Hello All! This looks to be a fascinating and enlightening course. Can't wait to speak to you all and bat ideas off each other as we travel through the course. Andrea UserIdTAG: 1311002 UserNameTAG: msfruitloop CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T23:32:59Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 547 TitleTAG: HELLO FROM NAFPLIO GREECE MY NAME IS ELPIDA AND I LIVE IN NAFPLIO-GREECE, A SMALL TOWN VERY CLOSE TO EPIDAVROS AND MYCEANAI. FURTHERMORE THE CENTER OF HELLENIC STUDIES OF HARVARD UNIVERSITY IS SITUATED HERE... ITS VERY EXCITING TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. A VERY GOOD START TO ALL! UserIdTAG: 1310723 UserNameTAG: THEMATRIXGLOBE CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T22:34:01Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Greetings to you in beautiful Nafplio! I was able to visit the Center last year. Thanks so much for joining us!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T23:59:20Z SecondChildTAG: I thank you for this great chance and your support! Best Elpida SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1310723 SecondChildUserNameTAG: THEMATRIXGLOBE SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T22:46:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Elpida, greetings from London, I have visited Nafplio many times - beautiful place and as you say near Myceanai and Epidavros. Loved swimming off the town beach there with the mountains behind. I used to take the train from Athens and then base myself in either Nafplio or Tolon and then visit the ancient Greek sites. Wonderful! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1135676 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MikeyPC FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T08:48:06Z IndexTAG: 548 TitleTAG: Hello Everyone from Dallas TX It's so neat to see posts from around the world! This is going to be so much fun! Erin UserIdTAG: 1021607 UserNameTAG: erinadams13 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T19:01:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Happyday from Arkansas FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 FirstChildUserNameTAG: photon101a FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T03:40:06Z SecondChildTAG: I'll be lookin forward to talkin to yuall! Hi, I'm Bob and have always been interested in such themes as we will be exploring. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 SecondChildUserNameTAG: photon101a SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T03:48:00Z IndexTAG: 549 TitleTAG: Hi from Québec Salut tout le monde! (That's more apropos than usual. All the world, indeed!) I'm from Montreal, and I'm looking to do some learning of Cool Stuff so that I can improve my chances of admission to a more traditional university, where I hope to learn more Cool Stuff. I was fascinated by Greek mythology as a kid, and got into Greek drama after my theatre company performed Lysistrata. I'm looking forward to this class! UserIdTAG: 1305445 UserNameTAG: Framling CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T19:00:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Salut! I'm from Montreal too! I'm at McGill University... If you find this course interesting, there's a really neat Classics program there that you might like. A link to the program details: http://www.mcgill.ca/classics/teaching The department also just had its Annual Classics Play. You might be interested in seeing it next year. Its the Lysistrata! Bonne étude! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282915 FirstChildUserNameTAG: eemilyhodgson FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T20:40:44Z SecondChildTAG: I'm from Toronto by way of Montreal! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1133449 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DrewWilliams01 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T01:16:14Z SecondChildTAG: Oh, neat! I'll definitely be there next year. I'm actually hoping to go to McGill to study English (CanLit, mostly, but also the language itself, because I teach ESL and I think that'd be really useful for my students!), but the wonderful thing about Classics is that knowing about them helps in every other art. Not that any knowledge is ever wasted. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305445 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Framling SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T22:43:24Z FirstChildTAG: Cool Stuff indeed. Well put! Looking forward to it! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1313218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mounawar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T13:13:03Z FirstChildTAG: Salut Framling, Je suis de Montréal moi aussi et je suis présentement à la Maîtrise à l'UQÀM en histoire antique :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1318675 FirstChildUserNameTAG: historian76 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T03:04:13Z IndexTAG: 550 TitleTAG: HELLO FROM ATHENS My name is Marianna.I love Greek history. I'm very excited to take this course UserIdTAG: 1308909 UserNameTAG: MARIANNA22 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T17:43:57Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 551 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens. I will start with a quote from Socrates (my translation) that "there is only one good thing, knowledge and one bad thing, ignorance". This summarizes the goal of my presence here. What about you? UserIdTAG: 1308581 UserNameTAG: catherine8 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T17:19:20Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Maybe Carl Jung would support your translation, I think. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 FirstChildUserNameTAG: photon101a FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T03:58:13Z IndexTAG: 552 TitleTAG: Hello from France! Bonjour! :-) My name is Eugenie and i live in Montpellier! I have studied Classics in France and i am very interested in the topic of this course! UserIdTAG: 1308647 UserNameTAG: EugenieD CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T16:51:30Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Cool je ne suis pas le seul français :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1249943 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Chandler84 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T09:22:46Z SecondChildTAG: ;-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1308647 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EugenieD SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T16:11:09Z IndexTAG: 553 TitleTAG: Hello from Poland I am excited to take part in this course. Ancient Greece is one of the topics that interests me the most. I've read a few interesting books about it e.g. Donald Kagan "Peloponnesian Wars", but my knowledge in this field is rather small. I will be happy to learn something more. Plus, I love the subject of this course. Best regards from Poland, Dagny UserIdTAG: 1308060 UserNameTAG: DagnyDagny CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T15:25:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 554 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens My name is Athena - like the patroness of Athens - I love Greek mythology and history in general... I'm very excited to take this course... Thanks to everyone who is involved in sharing their knowledge with us!! ^^ UserIdTAG: 1129418 UserNameTAG: athena_camus CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T14:41:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 555 TitleTAG: Books Hello everybody, Where did you get the books? Are they already available? Thanks in advance, Cris. UserIdTAG: 991946 UserNameTAG: Crisfernang CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T09:49:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: The books are going to be made available to us online. Probably closer to the start of the course. The professor will probably give us a weblink to the books later. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1181747 FirstChildUserNameTAG: picohio7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T18:53:21Z SecondChildTAG: Thx picohio! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 991946 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Crisfernang SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T09:58:42Z FirstChildTAG: The books will, we are told, be made available shortly. If, like me, you are in an insane hurry to get started anyway, then here are a couple of links to a 2011 version of Prof. Nagy's [h24h][1] text and to an [archive][2] of the similar course taught at Harvard. These are not necessarily what we will be studying, but at least as far as I can see, they make a great starting point, and anyway there's no way I can read everything on offer here before the course begins! [1]: http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/fall2011_fas_dce/notes_fall11/NagyAncientGreekHero24Hours_first8hrs_2011-10-02.pdf "h24h" [2]: http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/texts.html "archive" FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T09:41:53Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you for your help. I want to have a look before starting the course. As Spanish is my mother language I want to make sure I can handle with this in English :) Thank you again! Cris. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 991946 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Crisfernang SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T10:00:17Z IndexTAG: 556 TitleTAG: Hola desde Philippines! I just signed in..I'm very much excited with this course...I hope to learn a lot for me to become a better literature teacher... UserIdTAG: 1305706 UserNameTAG: MariaVerna CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T06:54:01Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: WOW...FROM WHERE ARE YOU? i mean, what part of the Philippines? :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 775498 FirstChildUserNameTAG: iamtimay FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T06:55:32Z SecondChildTAG: Mindanao....y tu? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1305706 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MariaVerna SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T06:58:00Z SecondChildTAG: somewhere in Luzon...nice. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 775498 SecondChildUserNameTAG: iamtimay SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T06:59:01Z SecondChildTAG: I signed in also.. so happy to be getting prepared, hoping to learn alot SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1307384 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Egerson SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T14:10:44Z SecondChildTAG: hello :3 I'm from Visayas !!! glad to see more Filipinos here. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1108030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IrahStef SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T14:36:10Z SecondChildTAG: Hi! I'm from the Phils too. I hope more Filipinos sign up in edX. This is a great way to learn w/o paying anything. High school and college students, teachers, profs should be told about this site. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1346001 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Clare013 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:13:14Z IndexTAG: 557 TitleTAG: Haiti in the house . Di ki mounn ou ye! I am haitian alsevere say hi UserIdTAG: 676751 UserNameTAG: alsevere CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:46:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 558 TitleTAG: G'day from Australia Hello everyone, my name is Efthalia and I live in the beautiful city of Sydney, Australia. I am utterly excited about this course and look forward to interacting in cyber space with you all. Hope we all take away something extremely valuable. As we say in Greek Yia sas! Smiles, Efthalia P.s. you can also call me Effie for short. UserIdTAG: 1300987 UserNameTAG: EfthaliaP CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:11:57Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hola Effie!I hope to learn a lot from this course y amigos tambien...:) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305706 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MariaVerna FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T07:12:50Z SecondChildTAG: Hola Maria, I'm sure we will all learn something spectacular. Smiles, Effie SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T10:55:29Z SecondChildTAG: And I will learn with you! Nice to meet you Effie - I'm Alex from Melbourne, and really excited to learn something new. Hola Maria! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897688 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexandraroach SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T00:47:31Z IndexTAG: 559 TitleTAG: Hello from North Carolina Hello, My name is George and I'm looking forward to learning about this subject matter. UserIdTAG: 178186 UserNameTAG: gfoley14 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T02:22:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi ya George. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:12:46Z IndexTAG: 560 TitleTAG: Greetings from London, Ontario, Canada My name is Dave, and I'm looking forward to this course. I have a great love of heroes and the concept of heroism and what pushes people to do the right thing when all forces seem to stand against them. Dave London Ontario Canada UserIdTAG: 936089 UserNameTAG: DMannIT CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T02:02:43Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi ya Dave, I'm with you, looking forward to it. Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:14:34Z SecondChildTAG: Hey Dave. Massena, New York here. Right on the Ontario border. Should be a great course! Rob d SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1008644 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Rob74d SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T23:33:52Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Dave, You must love the works of the late Joseph Campbell. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1293310 SecondChildUserNameTAG: photon101a SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T03:54:57Z SecondChildTAG: I do indeed. I've read a bit of Joseph Campbell. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 936089 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DMannIT SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T20:32:34Z IndexTAG: 561 TitleTAG: Greetings from Leicester, UK hello classmates! looking forward to begin our class. kind regards panos UserIdTAG: 1304419 UserNameTAG: panjethro CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T23:18:45Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello Panos! Give many kisses to Leicester from me!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1293126 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Marystrat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T00:34:05Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Panos, Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:18:17Z IndexTAG: 562 TitleTAG: Greetings from Cyprus! Hello, I hope you are all as excited as I am! I specialised in classics during high school and I am very happy to be returning to it after many years of 'absence'. I also find very interesting the fact that, for the first time, I will be studying Ancient Greece in English, instead through the original texts of classic writers! Cheers! Χαιρετισμούς! UserIdTAG: 1304186 UserNameTAG: akarafou CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T22:37:57Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello akarafou, I think there are a few of us that are excited. Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:20:24Z IndexTAG: 563 TitleTAG: Hello everyone, greetings from Portugal :) :) UserIdTAG: 1053899 UserNameTAG: catbarata CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T19:31:59Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi! Greetings from Brasil!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 861427 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JoseLuiz FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T21:10:43Z SecondChildTAG: greetings from Greece!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1288744 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ifigeneia89 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T22:41:48Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome. I am ready to start. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T20:26:49Z FirstChildTAG: Hello and smiles. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:22:19Z IndexTAG: 564 TitleTAG: What Greek Hero are We? Hi, I was just wondering what greek hero our "cohort" is named after. Also, when does the course end again? Thanks UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T18:27:45Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello I asked the two same questions and apparently not assigned cohorts yet this the main discussion board and the course is planned to end 26th June. Best wishes Delphine FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T19:44:30Z IndexTAG: 565 TitleTAG: Greetings from Hamilton Ontario Looking forward to further familiarity with Greek myths and heroes, and to understanding the benefits of this new way of approaching the learning process. UserIdTAG: 1277016 UserNameTAG: bond220 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T17:45:43Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello bond220, Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:55:40Z IndexTAG: 566 TitleTAG: Greetings from Cape Cod, Ma. My name is Roberta and I am very excited to be in this course with all of you. Good luck everyone and have fun. UserIdTAG: 1298293 UserNameTAG: RRolanti CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T15:44:43Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Roberta, Looking forward to having fun and best of luck to you too! Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:57:18Z IndexTAG: 567 TitleTAG: Hello from Iowa! Hello everyone! My name is Lesley and I am from the wonderful state of Iowa! I really don't know too much about Greek hero's but I am very excited to learn! Good luck everyone! Lesley UserIdTAG: 1302051 UserNameTAG: lelei0000 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T15:17:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: So, I'm not the only Iowan here, then? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342867 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SoozB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T20:25:54Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Lesley dont know much myself but hope to learn. Whenever I hear Iowa always think of field of dreams ! Best wishes from Delphine, England FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T19:48:45Z SecondChildTAG: Two of my children graduated from Drake University. A million years ago I received a certificate from Iowa State. You are closest to Minnesota I have seen so far. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T20:29:47Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Lesley, Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T03:58:10Z IndexTAG: 568 TitleTAG: Greetings from the Netherlands! Hello everyone! I am Sissy and I am Greek, but I am doing my Master in Marketing and Logistics in the Netherlands. I am looking forward to attending this course. I find it an amazing opportunity! Let's enjoy it! UserIdTAG: 1301698 UserNameTAG: SissyK CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T14:16:43Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Sissy, Marketing and logistics...interesting. Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T04:01:32Z IndexTAG: 569 TitleTAG: Greetings Hello from Poland! UserIdTAG: 1301118 UserNameTAG: OlaK CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T12:14:22Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Canary Island (Spain) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1301704 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RobertoSJ FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T14:02:15Z SecondChildTAG: hello from morocco SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1302742 SecondChildUserNameTAG: saboura SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T17:39:42Z FirstChildTAG: Hello this is Stavros from Greece. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1245985 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stayroskoykoy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T20:04:27Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, Smiles, Efthalia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1300987 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EfthaliaP FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T04:02:07Z IndexTAG: 570 TitleTAG: Greetings from Greece!! Hello to everyone!! I'm really glad to take part in this course, because it bears on my recent studies about the ancient greek culture and especially about the greek mythology! UserIdTAG: 1300276 UserNameTAG: Georgia-Zoi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T08:55:45Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hello to everybody! I have been interested by this type of studies some years ago! because of its impact in the world. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1302742 FirstChildUserNameTAG: saboura FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T17:46:21Z IndexTAG: 571 TitleTAG: Reading? Has the reading been posted yet? or am I just not looking for the books in the correct location. UserIdTAG: 941672 UserNameTAG: JerryDon CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T04:36:49Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi JerryDon, the readings have not yet been posted. We opened the discussion forum early, and we will post the Sourcebook and The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours (H24H) soon! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T13:54:50Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks for the update...have read a number of the items you have on the reading list...just not sure if they are the same translation.... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 941672 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JerryDon SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T04:39:41Z FirstChildTAG: Great question. And great answer. I'm looking forward to this course. Margaret from Atlanta, GA. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017741 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Margaret22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T12:19:40Z IndexTAG: 572 TitleTAG: Hi there! can hardly wait for this course to start. i'm on the look out for some fresh ideas from all the world over. UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T03:50:44Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: so am i...from where are you? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 775498 FirstChildUserNameTAG: iamtimay FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T03:54:23Z IndexTAG: 573 TitleTAG: Hello from Edmonton, AB Looking forward to starting the course :) UserIdTAG: 1164622 UserNameTAG: Djackio CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T02:06:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 574 TitleTAG: HELLO FROM NEWHAMPSHIRE FIRST TIMER UserIdTAG: 1298323 UserNameTAG: MRDENNIS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T21:42:38Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from old Hampshire England FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T19:50:40Z IndexTAG: 575 TitleTAG: Lifelong Learner from San Francisco - Hello! I look forward to getting connected to other students in our classroom, and learning from the course and one another. I am enthusiastic about our topic! UserIdTAG: 1298087 UserNameTAG: stephanedx CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T20:45:47Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Good to hear from anothe lifelong learner. Ain't it brilliant? There is so much that is fascinating and so much we can bring to these discussions. I am looking forward to reading other's ideas and contributing. Welcome! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T06:47:08Z FirstChildTAG: Here's another lifelong learner, from Peachtree City, GA, outside Atlanta. I'm a lifelong teacher too, teaching English rhetoric now at the university level. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017741 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Margaret22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T12:23:20Z IndexTAG: 576 TitleTAG: Hello From South Africa UserIdTAG: 1297711 UserNameTAG: Prega CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T20:02:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Greetings to South Africa from Hellas (Greece). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T06:26:28Z IndexTAG: 577 TitleTAG: Hello from Spain!! Hello everybody! Great to be here! I'd be glad to meet you. UserIdTAG: 1297367 UserNameTAG: Elena90 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T18:40:04Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hola Elena yo soy de México. Saludos! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277485 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Carlosdzmx FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T22:52:15Z SecondChildTAG: Hola Elena y Carlos, les mando saludos desde Barcelona! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1257451 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EmilyKirkpatrick SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T00:30:20Z SecondChildTAG: Hola Elena, Carlos y Emily, saludos desde Perú. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1068197 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Normi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T01:03:34Z SecondChildTAG: Saludos desde Venezuela. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1298274 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NelsonG24 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T03:13:24Z SecondChildTAG: Saludos a todos desde California SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1299227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Michaelsimic SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T05:36:02Z SecondChildTAG: Saludos desde Atenas, Hellas. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 962226 SecondChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T06:32:16Z SecondChildTAG: No esperaba que me contestara tanta gente! Me alegro de tener la posibilidad de hablar en español para cuando falle el inglés (que seguro que fallará ;)) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1297367 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Elena90 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T12:13:06Z SecondChildTAG: Hola Elena, Nice to meet you too. I live in Spain. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1094669 SecondChildUserNameTAG: away2015 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T16:04:06Z SecondChildTAG: Hi away2015! In which city? And where are you from? I'm from Zaragoza. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1297367 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Elena90 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T16:16:34Z SecondChildTAG: Hola a todos! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1284294 SecondChildUserNameTAG: FranGran SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T23:41:45Z SecondChildTAG: I miss visiting Spain. What city are you from? I walked part of the El Camino, and I'm not sure I remember all the cities I hiked through. I want to come back soon. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1017741 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Margaret22 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T12:21:56Z SecondChildTAG: Hola, hispanohablantes! Estaría bien tener un grupo de gente para resolver dudas en español :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1100039 SecondChildUserNameTAG: anaperez SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T10:55:36Z SecondChildTAG: Hola Ana! Creo que en Facebook hay uno porque lo nombran en el grupo general. Yo, de momento, sólo soy del general pero supongo que no tardaré :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1297367 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Elena90 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-01T20:15:35Z IndexTAG: 578 TitleTAG: New Mexico Greetings from the US Desert UserIdTAG: 908969 UserNameTAG: bessyglass CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T18:04:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I've been to New Mexico, and I loved it. I want to come back and visit. Where do you live? Greetings. Margaret FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017741 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Margaret22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T12:33:53Z IndexTAG: 579 TitleTAG: Hi!! Hello . I am Ishrat from Bangladesh. UserIdTAG: 47831 UserNameTAG: Ishrat CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T17:23:09Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 580 TitleTAG: It's Nice to be Part of History.... Hello World! UserIdTAG: 1296614 UserNameTAG: Gogoula CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T17:04:27Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi from Australia! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T07:39:33Z IndexTAG: 581 TitleTAG: Greetings from Victoria, BC - Canada Very excited to be taking my first MOOC and keeping my passion for Classics alive. UserIdTAG: 1296837 UserNameTAG: AshleyRichards CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T16:48:30Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello -It's good to see a neighbour here. I'm just up the road, in Nanaimo. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1179041 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sandraleigh FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T06:26:47Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Ashley...also from Victoria, BC. So much to learn, so little time. Nice to know that another Victorian has found this particular road to knowledge! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 920384 FirstChildUserNameTAG: justmary FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T16:44:43Z IndexTAG: 582 TitleTAG: Hello from Houston! Hi Everyone...can't wait to start this course.It is fascinating to see the whole world here :) UserIdTAG: 1281530 UserNameTAG: bitterclink CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T16:25:05Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Houston, from Athens. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T06:34:10Z IndexTAG: 583 TitleTAG: Greetings from Armenia! Hello, everybody! This is my first online learning experience and my first on the ancient Greek literature, so am looking forward to starting it:) And am very glad to meet so many people interested in the subject. Hope, we'll all make the most of it and will enjoy the readings and discussions. UserIdTAG: 1017372 UserNameTAG: Ruzan CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T16:18:12Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: It is indeed awesome and beautiful.. Hi there! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1296614 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Gogoula FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T17:05:51Z SecondChildTAG: so am i... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 775498 SecondChildUserNameTAG: iamtimay SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T03:57:10Z FirstChildTAG: I love that Harvard is offering this MOOC. I've taken online courses before, but never in the MOOC format. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1296837 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AshleyRichards FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T16:50:41Z IndexTAG: 584 TitleTAG: Hi from Italy Ciao a tutti UserIdTAG: 1296615 UserNameTAG: Raciti CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T16:16:03Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Ciao, Raciti! Mi chiamo Georgia e io sono di Isola di Creta! Di dove sei? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1296614 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Gogoula FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T17:08:32Z FirstChildTAG: Buongiorno, Raciti. Saluti d' Atene. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T06:37:57Z IndexTAG: 585 TitleTAG: Hi!! from in South korea Hello, everyone!! I'm Shin from korea. UserIdTAG: 1118461 UserNameTAG: Shin79 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T15:15:33Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi Shin. Enjoy the course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1296837 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AshleyRichards FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T16:51:03Z SecondChildTAG: 안녕하세요! I am Lital, from Ottawa, Canada. I am learning Korean and thought I would take the opportunity to say hello on your post :) 만나서 반갑습니다. Good luck with the course! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055582 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LitalK SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T19:07:42Z SecondChildTAG: Nice to meet you!! (만나서 반갑습니다.) I also learning English writting. I'm really happy to have a chance to study this course. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1118461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Shin79 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T13:58:29Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Shin!!! I used to have a dearest pen-pal from South Korea once and he loved Greek civilization quite a lot! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1293126 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Marystrat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T00:37:30Z SecondChildTAG: Hello.. Marystrat!! I like greek hero and literature. Nice to meet you!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1118461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Shin79 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T14:15:14Z IndexTAG: 586 TitleTAG: Greetings from South Korea! Hello everyone. I am Narae from South Korea. I'm really happy to get this opportunity and I'm look forward to March 13. UserIdTAG: 1177662 UserNameTAG: NARAE CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T14:29:45Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: 안녕하세요! I am Lital, from Ottawa, Canada. I am learning Korean and thought I would take the opportunity to say hello on your post :) 만나서 반갑습니다. Good luck with the course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055582 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LitalK FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T19:08:24Z SecondChildTAG: greetings from Greece!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1288744 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ifigeneia89 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T01:02:57Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Lital! 안녕하세요! ;) I'm very glad to hear that you're learning Korean. I guess you are good at Korean. I think it would be a good opportunity for me to talk online with you because I'm still learning English writing and I make many mistakes. I also hope you good luck in the course. 행운을 빌어요~!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1177662 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NARAE SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T14:35:56Z IndexTAG: 587 TitleTAG: HI from India!! This is badri...I'm very new to this topic...I've zero knowledge about this course...hope to gain some info from this course session... All the best!!! UserIdTAG: 1034168 UserNameTAG: Badri14 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T12:36:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: A warm *Welcome*, from Greece! So far and so close! I'm loving this on the internet, don't you? cheers FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1282750 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pashakoufidou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T00:12:05Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Badri. I don't know much either, but it looks like great fun. Margaret from Atlanta, GA. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017741 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Margaret22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T12:36:16Z IndexTAG: 588 TitleTAG: brazilian hello, from Brazil...=) UserIdTAG: 357262 UserNameTAG: cesar1 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T12:30:24Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Oi Cesar! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1215606 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SallyBarcelos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T16:47:52Z FirstChildTAG: Where are you from, Sally? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 357262 FirstChildUserNameTAG: cesar1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:03:34Z IndexTAG: 589 TitleTAG: Hi from England Hi, I'm Debbie from England. Anyone else out there from England? I'm just loving seeing so many people from around the world on the course. I am hoping to relight my love of anything ancient and my love of Greece wonder about modern heroes too. Do we have any or are you only a hero when a critical mass of people make you one? No hope for me then! I work and have a daughter and am determined to squeeze in the time to do the course - just for me. UserIdTAG: 1040556 UserNameTAG: Debfreetolearn CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T11:24:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Congratulations for taking time for yourself! *cheering you on* Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T14:40:15Z FirstChildTAG: Yep, I'm in London! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1321020 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elmurphy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T15:55:33Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, another Londoner here (Yvonne), looking forward to the course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1393930 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Aylesford FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T10:07:50Z IndexTAG: 590 TitleTAG: Anyone can be a hero... Hello from the beautiful Greek island ,Zakynthos.I am very glad having the opportunity to attend so much as by this way a nice object like this. I believe that we will all learn so many interesting things along the way . Thank you for giving us this opportunity. UserIdTAG: 1294390 UserNameTAG: anastasiazakynthos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T09:43:43Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Hello Zakunhos! This is Chalkidiki...welcome to the course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294591 FirstChildUserNameTAG: liakara FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T09:48:44Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Naxos. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T11:35:04Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Crete too! I am glad to attend my first mooc! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1297207 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EiriniGntk3 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T18:00:21Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Halkidiki!!Welcome to you as well.. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1294390 FirstChildUserNameTAG: anastasiazakynthos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T09:52:45Z FirstChildTAG: Hello classmates! This is Crete speaking! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1296614 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Gogoula FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T18:49:00Z IndexTAG: 591 TitleTAG: Hello from Viet Nam Hi everyone, my name is Chu Yen Ly, junior year student from Hanoi Foreign Trade University Vietnam. I'm so glad to be here to join this exciting class and make friends with you guys ^^ Especially, I'm really fascinated about Ancient Greek Hero and this must exactly a good opportunity for me to expand my horizon. I'd love to know more, learn more from all of you, so if you have time, please contact me through my Facebook : http://www.facebook.com/yenly.chu . Thank you a lot! Have a day full of happiness and joy! UserIdTAG: 748876 UserNameTAG: yenlychu CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T05:27:40Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Athens, Hellas. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 962226 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DespoinaTsatsouli FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T06:47:58Z IndexTAG: 592 TitleTAG: Allons-y Greetings and salutations all! Super excited about this course and will be more excited if my tiny tot lets me complete it! Allons-y from NC :D UserIdTAG: 1175070 UserNameTAG: Tishious CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T03:45:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Greece, Piraeus. I am very happy to participate in this course. Being a teacher in my country I am really interested in ancient greek civilization. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1293943 FirstChildUserNameTAG: marianthiv FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T06:23:05Z IndexTAG: 593 TitleTAG: anyone out there besides me from minnesoat? There seems to be few people from the Midwest. I am just curious. UserIdTAG: 1060336 UserNameTAG: elizabethmorin CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T02:12:26Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 594 TitleTAG: I have just registered! Greetings from Athens! Mary! UserIdTAG: 1293126 UserNameTAG: Marystrat CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T02:08:16Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 595 TitleTAG: Greetings from Ohio Greetings from the great state of Ohio. I am excited to begin this adventure and look forward to interacting with many of you in this forum. UserIdTAG: 1292967 UserNameTAG: dwinterich CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T02:01:59Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 596 TitleTAG: Greetings Hello everyone. I am very much looking forward to follow, work and learn from this interesting concept. Happy to be here with all of you! My appreciation to the core team for the opportunity. Thank you. UserIdTAG: 1292281 UserNameTAG: pcsksa5 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T22:16:01Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 597 TitleTAG: Greetings Hello from Toronto Canada! Feeling very lucky to take this course with HarvardX and all of you! UserIdTAG: 1072066 UserNameTAG: Cosette CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T21:30:51Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 598 TitleTAG: Hi everyone from Sam in Devon, UK Looking forward to the course starting. Very excited!:-) UserIdTAG: 1290422 UserNameTAG: SamStocker CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T18:22:09Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Cheers Sam :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1175070 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Tishious FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T03:53:13Z IndexTAG: 599 TitleTAG: Hello hello, from Brazil I am very glad to begin this course,is a great pleasure! UserIdTAG: 1290266 UserNameTAG: MClara CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T18:10:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Oi, gente! Saudações de BH/Minas! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 971010 FirstChildUserNameTAG: IaraLages FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T20:04:59Z SecondChildTAG: Olá, Sou de Santa Maria - RS SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1272690 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Wilder00 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T22:11:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hello!! I'm from Brazil too and i'm anxious to start!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1270703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ElianaZequim FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T18:19:54Z SecondChildTAG: Tbm sou do brazil hahah SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1282215 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hakkira SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T18:32:02Z SecondChildTAG: Hello!! I,m from Brazil too. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1252444 SecondChildUserNameTAG: TBarnezi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T18:53:06Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Asea, Arkadias FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1290749 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Asea2013 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T20:08:44Z FirstChildTAG: Saudações aos compatriotas. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1051461 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dfazolo FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T19:28:23Z IndexTAG: 600 TitleTAG: so! any ideas about the name of our cohort? which hero are we? am so excited to start the course! Greetings from Poland, temporarily living in London UserIdTAG: 1078004 UserNameTAG: Sabzzzie CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T14:12:14Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Sabzzie, we haven't assigned student to cohorts just yet. But stay tuned for more info about that soon! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T14:22:52Z IndexTAG: 601 TitleTAG: Hi from Athens Hi everybody from rainy Athens. Looking forward for the course. UserIdTAG: 1287774 UserNameTAG: ifeloukas CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T13:29:47Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Hello there!! I am also from Athens!! i believe that this will be a great course!! Good Luck to everyone!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1256832 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dimph23 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T14:57:57Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome guys :) There are too many of us here already. There's also an international Facebook group for this course. Feel free to join https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T16:31:46Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome to the course :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1290266 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MClara FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T18:16:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone I am greek too living in Micronesia at the pacific sea FirstChildUserIdTAG: 929600 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nikopetsalis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T01:08:21Z SecondChildTAG: Nice to have you with us, neighbour. Eleni from Adelaide Australia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T07:06:04Z IndexTAG: 602 TitleTAG: Greetings from London! Hello Everyone! My name is Helen and I'm very excited to start this course. Having never studied a subject like this before I'm really interested to find out what 'slow' and 'fast' reading is! It's really lovely to meet you all - or rather read your welcoming posts! UserIdTAG: 1162907 UserNameTAG: HelenYoon CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T11:28:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Welcome aboard Helen! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1288794 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ARIONAS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:19:54Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome and have a great journey together with us. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:30:37Z IndexTAG: 603 TitleTAG: Greetings from Nigeria! Hello to you all! I bring you warm, hearty greetings from Nigeria. I look forward to interacting with you all and learning from our discussions. Warm regards; Petros UserIdTAG: 1062509 UserNameTAG: PetrosDion CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T10:10:58Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Greetings Petros and welcome to the journey. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:29:47Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome aboard Petros FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1288794 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ARIONAS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:19:24Z IndexTAG: 604 TitleTAG: All Hello from Syros, Greece UserIdTAG: 1286388 UserNameTAG: syros1979 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T09:51:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: We Athenians,in our late 30s we were brought up with stories & school lessons of our glorious past* The beginning of all the honoured ideals along with philosophy, science, language. Brave hearts with the magic of know how and respect, yet somewhere lost through the easygoing and frivolous life......With great anticipation...... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1286480 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MariaKlla FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T10:16:54Z SecondChildTAG: Not lost I believe. Maybe set aside. Then again you specifically mention Athenians, not Greeks. Maybe you 're right. Yes. maybe you 're lost. And we, say the countrymen, try to follow your rythm. And that is unfair. Why not reverse the roles for once and you try and follow the rythm of the greek countryside? I always ask myself how can I, say in a small city in Macedonia, find all these fabulous books, which are mostly printed in Athens and you, the Athenians can' t? My comment is not personal of course. And I' m sure that' s not the case with you. You see, you mentioned Athenians and you triggered thoughts. Athenians ... They sent the poor guy to drink the poison back then, when they had all the stimuli lying in front of them, when they drank water from the same taps together with some of the greatest think tanks of all time. Why not do the same today if they had the chance? What' s changed? I see the trial being repeated each year and I listen to the Judges or the people attending, comment on the case or the result. And they sound so certain for his innocence. And that' s what makes me sure. Always ready to serve the poison. Athenians. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1279054 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nearchus SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T11:15:40Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome aboard guys :) They have created a facebook group, feel free to join https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T10:32:51Z FirstChildTAG: I am from Naxos. Welcome FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T12:41:29Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Thessaloniki FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1291754 FirstChildUserNameTAG: konstantinos590 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T21:14:37Z FirstChildTAG: hello from thessaloniki!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1217257 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Helen86 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T22:27:29Z IndexTAG: 605 TitleTAG: Hello from Abuja,Nigeria My name is Miracle, from Nigeria. Just wanted to know how do we know our cohorts. And looking forward to studying with everyone. thanks UserIdTAG: 827762 UserNameTAG: Miracle24 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T09:20:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Wonderful name! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1270703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ElianaZequim FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T18:27:09Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks Eliana SecondChildUserIdTAG: 827762 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Miracle24 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T23:43:23Z IndexTAG: 606 TitleTAG: Hello!!! I am Serafeim from Greece. I am a teacher in a Secondary School and I teach ancient greek language and civilisation. I am very interested in studying this course and particullarly Dr. Nagy's lessons. UserIdTAG: 1285944 UserNameTAG: serafeimz CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T08:40:53Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Same thing here, Serafeim. I am Eirini from Naxos and I teach in a Secondary school. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T12:40:28Z FirstChildTAG: I´m teacher too FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1068197 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Normi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T01:39:30Z IndexTAG: 607 TitleTAG: Down This Path I came to writing late. Now, I look to we're we came from for guidance on how to get we're we are going! I have read mythology from many cultures, Greek is the basis of my ethos. Maybe it is Buddha, all there is love. I would be glad to write for all! UserIdTAG: 1272987 UserNameTAG: Pwoody2 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T08:12:14Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Welcome to the journey we all have embarked upon at this point in our lives. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:26:06Z FirstChildTAG: Yes, welcome indeed! I believe we will all grow in some way, shape, or form from the journey. Profound? Possibly, but altogether true. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 502026 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dougdavies FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:36:42Z IndexTAG: 608 TitleTAG: Hello I'm Tedros from Eritrea, currently in India. Just joined here; and I'm so excited to study this course. UserIdTAG: 1285704 UserNameTAG: Tedawedi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T07:49:59Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 609 TitleTAG: hello , from bahrain helloooo everyone , im rahma from bahrain , im really enthusiast for this course >>> <3 <3 <3 UserIdTAG: 1285205 UserNameTAG: Rahma_Aleskafi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T06:13:29Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Greetings to you. Have lots of fun. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:25:00Z IndexTAG: 610 TitleTAG: Greetings from California This is going to be exciting! My best to all. UserIdTAG: 1282451 UserNameTAG: frenchman CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T04:56:05Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome to you. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:24:12Z IndexTAG: 611 TitleTAG: Youtube not available in Pakistan, what to do? Hi everyone, Youtube has not been available in Pakistan for some months. Can anyone guide me how to see the Lecturers.? UserIdTAG: 1140776 UserNameTAG: Katana1111 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T04:00:11Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: From my experience, you shouldn't need YouTube as all videos, in the past, have been self contained. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 20879 FirstChildUserNameTAG: forevergreen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T08:46:47Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1140776 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Katana1111 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T06:27:27Z FirstChildTAG: Katana111, the lectures will be posted here on this site. Best, Claudia PS Thanks so much for joining us!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T12:04:00Z SecondChildTAG: Appreciate it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1140776 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Katana1111 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T06:27:43Z IndexTAG: 612 TitleTAG: Greetings from Kentucky Hello from the state of Kentucky! I just found this website and am very excited about this class! UserIdTAG: 1283524 UserNameTAG: scriptor05 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T02:00:32Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Greetings FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:23:01Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Lexington! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1021645 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RogueGamerGurl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T17:32:46Z IndexTAG: 613 TitleTAG: Hello Everyone, From Toronto, Canada. I am looking forward to this course and interacting with everyone!!! I have a question: Do we have to be logged at specfic time? Athina UserIdTAG: 932815 UserNameTAG: Athens71 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T01:51:20Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Athina, thanks so much for enrolling! You don't need to be logged in at a specific time. So please feel free to work whenever it is most convenient for you! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T12:02:48Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Claudia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 932815 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Athens71 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T04:34:38Z IndexTAG: 614 TitleTAG: Hello from Idaho!! I can't wait to start this course!! UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T01:23:09Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Idaho. We used to live in Rapid City SD. We have an artist friend that lives in Coeur de Lean. Don't know about the spelling though (vbg) Welcome to this journey. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:10:01Z IndexTAG: 615 TitleTAG: Question: Cohort Assignment? Have we been placed automatically into a cohort ... or is this a process that we need to complete? UserIdTAG: 904352 UserNameTAG: AnthonyRisser CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T01:03:45Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Each cohort is 1.000 people, I don't think we have reached this number yet. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T06:15:42Z FirstChildTAG: @AnthonyRisser In relation to your question, I am unaware if our cohort has already been named and if it has, what it is named. Would you happen to know this? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1062509 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PetrosDion FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T10:13:56Z FirstChildTAG: Dear AnthonyRiser and PetrosDion, Good questions! We have not yet assigned students to cohorts, but we will let you know when that happens. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T12:01:33Z SecondChildTAG: @ClaudiaFilos Thank you, Claudia! You've been so helpful! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1062509 SecondChildUserNameTAG: PetrosDion SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:02:31Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you, ClaudiaFilos. -Anthony SecondChildUserIdTAG: 904352 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AnthonyRisser SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T00:23:57Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you!! I had the same question!! =) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1104996 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Tefis555 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T04:57:59Z FirstChildTAG: I and two colleagues have registered. We would like to be in the same cohort. How to arrange this? butch FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35667 FirstChildUserNameTAG: butch FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T16:59:23Z SecondChildTAG: I'm glad that I happened upon this comment. I registered for this course a couple of weeks ago, and today my daughter decided to join me. If there is a way that we could arrange to be in the same cohort, we would be grateful. Thank you for this great opportunity! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1179041 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sandraleigh SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T01:01:43Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Butch and Sandra, I don't think this is possible with the current edX infrastructure. This would be a good question to post in the "Questions About This Course" forum so that the Board of Readers sees it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 902982 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ferthalangur SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T14:08:51Z IndexTAG: 616 TitleTAG: HEPL needed on how to edit my nick name I need to edit or reset my nickname for this discussion forum. Any ideas on how to do it? UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T00:58:53Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear anonymous, good question! I will forward this to our tech team. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T11:56:50Z IndexTAG: 617 TitleTAG: Hello to everyone. Hello to everyone. Excited to be here! UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T00:24:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: welcome. I feel the excitement. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:22:24Z IndexTAG: 618 TitleTAG: Hello from Arkansas This is Dorothy from Central Arkansas, thought I would say hi and I am excited about this course. UserIdTAG: 1282961 UserNameTAG: DorothyMartin CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T00:07:47Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi Dorothy, we had family that lived in West Fork. Anywhere near you? Glad you are taking the journey with all of us. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T17:08:04Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Dorothy. I'm from North West Arkansas. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 978619 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BarbaraG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-05T16:59:27Z IndexTAG: 619 TitleTAG: where are the readings posted? Last week there was a notice somewhere that the readings were posted and i tried to download them to my ipad but couldn't. Now I can't find where they are posted. Anybody know? UserIdTAG: 1164328 UserNameTAG: JER765 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T23:53:14Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: You can find the book here: http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/fall2011_fas_dce/notes_fall11/NagyAncientGreekHero24Hours_first8hrs_2011-10-02.pdf FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277485 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Carlosdzmx FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T00:51:30Z SecondChildTAG: Dear Carlosdzmx and JER765, the course books still haven't bee posted yet. This is still just a draft of the first 21 Hours of the book--although a very recent one. Be sure to download the final version when it becomes available. We will let you know when it is posted! Best, Claudia PS Thanks so much for enrolling! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T11:55:56Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Claudia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1277485 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Carlosdzmx SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T04:04:12Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1383460 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JJingram SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T23:45:24Z IndexTAG: 620 TitleTAG: Hello This is Rick from Manistee,Michigan. Just wanted to say Hi to everyone!! UserIdTAG: 1165083 UserNameTAG: Ricmer CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T23:42:35Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 621 TitleTAG: Hello from Xalapa, Mexico Hello everyone, I'm very excited about this course. See you all around. UserIdTAG: 1277485 UserNameTAG: Carlosdzmx CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T23:39:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 622 TitleTAG: Another hello from New England! Hello to all from the White Mtns of New Hampshire! ...although we have been a little light on the snow this year. UserIdTAG: 502026 UserNameTAG: dougdavies CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:46:26Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 623 TitleTAG: HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO HELLO FROM GREECEEEEEE UserIdTAG: 1281994 UserNameTAG: errika CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:22:52Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα!!!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T12:32:58Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Erika! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277485 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Carlosdzmx FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T01:47:25Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome Errika Feel free to join the Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T06:12:46Z IndexTAG: 624 TitleTAG: Welcome !!!! Welcome to all of you !!! My name is Nefeli and I am from Volos!!!! I already study archaeology in University of Thessaly and I am very exited about this opportunity !!! Welcome !!!! can't wait for our discussions !!! UserIdTAG: 1281897 UserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:10:04Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Welcome Nefeli Feel free to join the Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T06:12:10Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, Nefeli. It's Eirini from Naxos. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T12:32:35Z IndexTAG: 625 TitleTAG: Hello from Santorini!!! Hello to everyone!! I love itttt!! This is great! Happy to have such a precious concept to discus!! UserIdTAG: 1282019 UserNameTAG: maraki789 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T21:57:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: hello from Ioannina..... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1241566 FirstChildUserNameTAG: vasileios_dimoglidis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:31:52Z FirstChildTAG: HELLO FROM ATHENSSSSSSSSSSSS FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281994 FirstChildUserNameTAG: errika FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:21:11Z FirstChildTAG: Hello and Welcome from Volos and Uth !!!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:00:44Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome aboard There's a Facebook group created for this course and many of us have joined already. Feel free to join! https://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T06:11:33Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Naxos! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T12:28:27Z FirstChildTAG: I would love to visit Santorini someday!!! wish you the best! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1104996 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Tefis555 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T05:01:11Z IndexTAG: 626 TitleTAG: Credits? Hello all, greetings from Chico California, I am new to Edx and I don't understand if we get credits for our college institutions, or just the certificate. Either way I'm very happy to learn about this! Ryan UserIdTAG: 1281872 UserNameTAG: RyanShidyak CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T21:45:05Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear Ryan, right now I think we are just providing certificates. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:45:12Z IndexTAG: 627 TitleTAG: can't wait for the course to start! Hi everybody I'm Ema, from Bucharest, Romania but I live in Barcelona, Spain now, working and studying. I used to loooove reading about Ancient History, especially Egypt and Greece but this course takes it to another level! Lovely meeting everybody!! Gotta get back to studying.... big project due this Saturday but I just had to stop and sign in to this course ! (Thanks to my dad for showing me edX!) Wish you all a great weekend Saludos from cold (!!!) Barcelona UserIdTAG: 1281421 UserNameTAG: emafulga CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T20:40:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hey, I'm living also in Bucharest! Let's create our own cohort! How about the "Diomedes Cohort"? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893048 FirstChildUserNameTAG: porfyrus FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T00:23:27Z IndexTAG: 628 TitleTAG: Russia loves this course! Saying "Russia" I mean me, of course :) The girl, student from Moscow, who learns journalism at university. I love ancient Greek culture and literature. I had such a course in university 2 years ago, but I really want to know more, so, thank you for such an opportunity! Best wishes, Katerina UserIdTAG: 205820 UserNameTAG: Ekaterina1406 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:39:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hello, Ekaterina, I am Evangelia from Tirnavos Greece, wellcome, Greetings FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:52:42Z FirstChildTAG: Greedings Ekaterina from Volos, from the mythical city of Jason, Greece!!!! And of course Welcome!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1281897 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nefeli-Sotiria FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T22:19:04Z FirstChildTAG: [Русскоязычная группа][1] [1]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/51405404a0e1ab1f0000026f FirstChildUserIdTAG: 365767 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rutreider FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T10:47:46Z IndexTAG: 629 TitleTAG: This is where I say "Adios" These edX and Corusera initiatives are cheap propaganda vehicles for the establishment and I refer to the humanities courses. You will never read about feminist or foucauldian analyses in any of these places. That's why those of us who studied literature don't bother about the "great" amerikan universities ... typical amerikan propaganda for the masses ... enjoy this variety of toilet paper ... UserIdTAG: 1019947 UserNameTAG: JosePedroMartins CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:35:57Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Wow. Why was this necessary? Before you dispose and criticise something it is first important to study it and become familiar with it. Feminism and Foucault can be included after one is introduced to the classics. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1144118 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ArtemisiaGentileschi0 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:56:50Z FirstChildTAG: Then why did you sign up for the class, unless it was just to make the comments? Not all classes on all subjects are offered at this point, and may never be, so be it. There is plenty at this point to stimulate the "little grey cells". If it's not what you are looking for then by all means move on. Perhaps a local college or university has a free online class that offers what you need. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 502026 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dougdavies FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:13:38Z IndexTAG: 630 TitleTAG: Hello from the Rockies 14,000 ft above sea level... New to the subject, I truly expect a great learning experience! UserIdTAG: 1279127 UserNameTAG: Finleyr CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:35:30Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Hello, dear Finleyr, I am Evangelia from Tirnavos Greece, wellcome, Greetings FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:45:56Z FirstChildTAG: At least do you have a good view of the world from up there? :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:46:27Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome! Are you a member of the 14k club? I live in a region of older mountains well eroded by time... New England. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 502026 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dougdavies FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T18:48:34Z FirstChildTAG: Just registered. I live in Apache Junction(Phoenix area), Arizona, and looking forward to this journey. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T21:50:59Z FirstChildTAG: Hey finleyr, which mountain top are you on? I'm at 7500 feet at the base of Mt Shavano FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896480 FirstChildUserNameTAG: STKyng FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T03:24:40Z IndexTAG: 631 TitleTAG: Greetings from Brasil!! I'm newbie in the subject and hope to learn a lot. UserIdTAG: 1279388 UserNameTAG: Marianebrasil CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:02:58Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello Mariane! greetings from Athens! Georgia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277306 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SalambasiG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:08:26Z SecondChildTAG: Hi SalambasiG, Athens GA. The last football game I attended was there. We lived in Dawsonville, GA before moving out west here in the Phoenix area SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 SecondChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T21:55:00Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Marianeebrazil greetings from Apache Junction AZ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1055816 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobby5991 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T21:53:18Z IndexTAG: 632 TitleTAG: Greetings from Hong Kong It's been a while since I read anything from the classical Greek period, and I expect a good learning experience. UserIdTAG: 1279088 UserNameTAG: ronniepoon CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:28:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello Ronnie! I'm greek and I'm expecting a whole new perspective of the matter! Sophia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:37:03Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Ronie, So glad you are also interested in the Greek heroic ideals. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1279167 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hadzigiannoglou FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:47:41Z IndexTAG: 633 TitleTAG: Hello from UK London Hello All I am a great admirer of Professor Nagy's work and when I saw this course being offered on the Edx platform I enrolled. Looking forward to it. Best Andy UserIdTAG: 1276300 UserNameTAG: Ashiggins87 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T11:18:24Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 634 TitleTAG: Greeting from Texas, Ya'll! Looking forward to exploring ancient Greece with you and enhancing my knowledge of the subject matter. UserIdTAG: 949308 UserNameTAG: CSMBSMU CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T01:49:12Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Also a Texan.. Austin! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1152858 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AlysonJ FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T03:28:32Z SecondChildTAG: hi! from Greece! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:26:06Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Athens Greece! Georgia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1277306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SalambasiG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:09:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hello and welcome. I was born in Texas. Currently in Las Vegas, NV. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T16:41:35Z SecondChildTAG: Where in Texas NaeNae? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 949308 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CSMBSMU SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-10T23:12:52Z IndexTAG: 635 TitleTAG: Hello, Hoiba From China Very glad to have this chance, I think Greek Heroes and their stories are playing an important role in western culture. So I do wish that I can use this chance to learn more about it. UserIdTAG: 943362 UserNameTAG: hoiba CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T00:44:45Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Hoiba! I think we will all have the chance to see how the greek hero affected the contemporary moral, and the misunderstandings that have been concluded, without a further study of the great greek philosophers... Greetings from Greece Sophia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:33:44Z IndexTAG: 636 TitleTAG: iPad log-in problem Greetings fellow students. Has anyone had trouble logging in to this course with the latest version of iPad. My efforts always fail. edX Tech support suggests using a Mercury browser. But before I do that, I thought I would first seek advice here...hopefully finding out what the problem is, and fixing it. Thank you UserIdTAG: 1128876 UserNameTAG: Myrmidon CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T23:09:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I can log in just fine with my iPad, but I can't read the discussion when there are numerous comments. Safari closes itself when I try to read the comments to Prof. Nagy's welcome message. I'm afraid it is back to the computer. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 161978 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PriscillaN FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T04:06:09Z SecondChildTAG: Hi PriscillaN, On way to get course material into your iPad is through the Evernote app. You simply download it into both your iPad and computer. Click and drag material (such as Prof. Nagy's welcome message) into the Evernote on your computer. It will then automatically be sent to your iPad Evernote, where you can access and read it. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1128876 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Myrmidon SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T14:41:41Z SecondChildTAG: Great thanks was havin the same problem as Priscilla.... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 375549 SecondChildUserNameTAG: twedee SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-15T02:40:06Z IndexTAG: 637 TitleTAG: Hello from SC Hi Professor Nagy. I read the Iliad and Odyssey when I was in high school (40+ years ago), and my daughter's name is Athena! Always been interested in the Greeks. Looking forward to the class. Cleopatra UserIdTAG: 1270788 UserNameTAG: Cleopatraa CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T22:32:06Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I'm also in SC! I read both Iliad and Odyssey as well (in college about 10 years ago) I am currently a stay at home mother and am excited to be joining this class - a great way to enjoy one of my passions (literature - I love the epics) while keeping my mind active and involved. Very glad I found these courses. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 990412 FirstChildUserNameTAG: allysonD FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T14:38:03Z SecondChildTAG: very nice indeed what you do Allyson! hope you'll love it! greetings from Greece! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:25:31Z IndexTAG: 638 TitleTAG: Hello from Poland! :) Hello, everybody! I’m very excited to be here & looking forward to The Ancient Greek Hero course. UserIdTAG: 1270757 UserNameTAG: Jo-Anna CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:30:51Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Warsaw! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 924241 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MagBart FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T07:26:52Z SecondChildTAG: greetings from Greece! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:15:32Z IndexTAG: 639 TitleTAG: Serbia Hello from Serbia... UserIdTAG: 1190692 UserNameTAG: stregaroma CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:03:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hello from Greece FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1108027 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sophia1971 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:15:49Z IndexTAG: 640 TitleTAG: General Hello from Aurora, Colorado. UserIdTAG: 1251629 UserNameTAG: Wayneble CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T20:15:20Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Aurora! Have a wonderful time with this course... we need more heros, right? All best from Brooklyn, NY FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T04:25:58Z IndexTAG: 641 TitleTAG: Houston Hi Everyone, from Houston, Texas UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T18:46:12Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 642 TitleTAG: Anyone from India? Hi everyone. This is Ridhee from India...are there any more Indian out there?? UserIdTAG: 971920 UserNameTAG: Ridhee CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T13:59:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 7 FirstChildTAG: Hi this is Kaushik. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1266576 FirstChildUserNameTAG: kaushik17 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T14:46:08Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, didn't guess i would get to know anybody from India great start.. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 889699 FirstChildUserNameTAG: viresh FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T14:56:26Z FirstChildTAG: Hi gaurav here :) nice meeting you all! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 272719 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gaurav4904 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T17:24:17Z FirstChildTAG: hi, im indian but not from India, from South Africa, Cape Town :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 38879 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Premji FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T20:08:47Z FirstChildTAG: I'm Indian but from Sydney, Australia - Kashyap FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1154372 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KashU8 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T03:15:34Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I'm Gaurav from India. Nyc to meet you FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1195474 FirstChildUserNameTAG: GDutta FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T04:12:25Z FirstChildTAG: me too :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 558167 FirstChildUserNameTAG: harigovindma FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T09:29:54Z IndexTAG: 643 TitleTAG: hello from Malaysia Hi I'm Yvonne! Totally excited about the course! ^^ UserIdTAG: 637224 UserNameTAG: YvonneEs CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T13:22:58Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Yvonne, my name is Yvonna I am from Serbia greetings FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1190692 FirstChildUserNameTAG: stregaroma FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:05:27Z IndexTAG: 644 TitleTAG: hi everyone i'm Eleftheria from Athens, happy to be here :) UserIdTAG: 1265551 UserNameTAG: erie CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T13:06:28Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hey Eleftheria. I am Ridhee from India. My first course on edX :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 971920 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ridhee FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T14:00:13Z FirstChildTAG: hello everyone this is middle out from China~~` FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1274874 FirstChildUserNameTAG: 278132789 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T07:57:59Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, to both of you. It' Eirini from Naxos FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T15:38:19Z IndexTAG: 645 TitleTAG: Greeting Greetings from Lithuania! I look forward to starting the course. UserIdTAG: 1023194 UserNameTAG: eglesta CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T12:57:04Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi! Idomu, bet sunku vietomis.. Kaip tau? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1450551 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Viliuss FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T15:14:20Z IndexTAG: 646 TitleTAG: From Argentina, willing to enjoy this course! From Bahia Blanca, Argentina, waiting to begin this very interesting and enjoyable course! UserIdTAG: 925072 UserNameTAG: Robertobahia CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T12:30:32Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 647 TitleTAG: Brazil again!!!! I am from Brazil Rio) although brought up in the UK.A retired journalist and just turned 70.Nice to be here with you. UserIdTAG: 1124558 UserNameTAG: Sebastian70 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T12:21:30Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 648 TitleTAG: hiya from Denmark :-) hey. this is also my first time doing something like this (edx) i hope we all have a blast!! and learn a lot. UserIdTAG: 1265026 UserNameTAG: Illyria CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T11:14:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Illyria! Welcome, I am from Australia and so looking forward to this discovery. Smiles, June FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T07:35:21Z IndexTAG: 649 TitleTAG: Greeting I look forward to starting the course. I am a student of art history and I love the classical world. Greetings from Spain. UserIdTAG: 1264989 UserNameTAG: bustion CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T11:07:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 650 TitleTAG: ΧΑΙΡΕΣΘΕ - Hello from HELLAS - Kastoria ΧΑΙΡΕΣΘΕ - Hello from HELLAS - Kastoria UserIdTAG: 1264504 UserNameTAG: OrestisMacednos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T10:30:56Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Γεια σου,Ορέστη. Hello, Orestis. Greetings from Naxos FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T12:44:30Z SecondChildTAG: hello oresti....greetings from athens SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1269121 SecondChildUserNameTAG: 91KONSTANTINOS91 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T19:32:38Z SecondChildTAG: Γειά σου Ορέστη... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1260733 SecondChildUserNameTAG: loucho87 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:29:11Z FirstChildTAG: Καλησπέρα από την παγωμένη Στοκχόλμη παιδιά FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1277300 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Takis_Siatras FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T13:37:34Z SecondChildTAG: Καλησπέρα από Αθήνα! Καλή αρχή! Γεωργία SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1277306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SalambasiG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:12:13Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, Orestis Makednos, Well come!!! Kastoria is a wonderful place!!! Greetings from Tirnavos Evangelia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1259218 FirstChildUserNameTAG: evangelia_ntalosi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:08:43Z IndexTAG: 651 TitleTAG: Greetings From Madrid Hello everybody! This is the first time I´m taking a edX course, but I´m very happy for this opportunity. I´m interested in this course because I have a degree in classical languagues and I love both cultures: Ancient Greece and Rome. Cheers, Sandra UserIdTAG: 1252090 UserNameTAG: SandraCruz CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T09:53:30Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hi Sandra. it's my first time too and i feel a little insecure.i am an eng prof. who has taken several classical courses at university FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1218595 FirstChildUserNameTAG: markazaki FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T10:04:43Z IndexTAG: 652 TitleTAG: Hello from Detroit! So happy to take advantage of this amazing opportunity with all of you! UserIdTAG: 1135353 UserNameTAG: revdrmom CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T07:30:00Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hey motor city! Looking forward to riding with you too! All best from Brooklyn! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T04:27:49Z IndexTAG: 653 TitleTAG: Hi ! I'm Montserrat from Tijuana, Mexico. Very happy to take this course. Thank you all for make this possible. Mooon. UserIdTAG: 979634 UserNameTAG: Mooontserrat CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T05:14:00Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 654 TitleTAG: Hi all: Greetings from Norman Oklahoma. This sounds like a very good course. I have my first degree in History (1975), of which a number of hours were in ancient History. I have read a bit in Mythology and this will give me a good excuse to read more. Thanks for the opportunity. UserIdTAG: 941672 UserNameTAG: JerryDon CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T05:02:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 655 TitleTAG: Hi from Philippines .. :) This course excites me. I like mythology, though written years ago still has great impact and can be related to society. Excited to know more of Ancient Greek Hero/es.. Love, Kristen UserIdTAG: 1070783 UserNameTAG: Kristehnn CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T02:44:38Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hey there =D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1254108 FirstChildUserNameTAG: OsirisWocky FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T01:15:37Z IndexTAG: 656 TitleTAG: Hello from snowy Toronto! This is quite the thrill. Looking forward to it! Drew Williams UserIdTAG: 1133449 UserNameTAG: DrewWilliams01 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T02:42:05Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 657 TitleTAG: Greetings from Thailand! I'm Bailish. I've been working in Thailand for almost 20 years now, and I'm approaching retirement. I'm looking forward to the start of this course. Joseph Campbell said the hero's story was universal, so I'm anxious to see parallels between ancient Greece and modern heroes. UserIdTAG: 264631 UserNameTAG: Bailish CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T01:39:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 658 TitleTAG: I M SO EXCITED EVEN I AM A GREEK! I WANT TO SEE WHAT IS ABOUT THIS LESSON! I HOPE WE FOUND IT INTERESTING!!! I M VASSO FROM GREECE AND LET S HAVE A GREAT TIME!!! ;) UserIdTAG: 1050933 UserNameTAG: Vassoula CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T00:12:40Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 659 TitleTAG: hello I have always wanted to take a course in Greek literature, but have always been scared to take one. As I get older I am realizing I am the only one stopping myself. I don't want to say "I wished I could have done that" 10 years from now. Therefore, here I go. Now I can't wait for the course to start. UserIdTAG: 321397 UserNameTAG: claudi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T22:53:17Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 660 TitleTAG: Overly keen? Hello everyone! Am I being overly keen in wanting to get my hands on the course texts? I did a quick search for h24h and found [this][1]. It's from 2011, does anyone know if there is a more up to date version? Alternatively, should I just relax and wait for it become available on here? Thanks in advance. [1]: http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/fall2011_fas_dce/notes_fall11/NagyAncientGreekHero24Hours_first8hrs_2011-10-02.pdf UserIdTAG: 956591 UserNameTAG: Hironimusbosch CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T22:51:48Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Thank you for posting this :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1263931 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LH1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T08:51:53Z IndexTAG: 661 TitleTAG: Hi. iam from texas Hello everyone. Iam from south texas and waiting for class to start. :) UserIdTAG: 543905 UserNameTAG: Annabee CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T20:20:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: Ghana FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1262367 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KwadzoAdika FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T03:45:19Z FirstChildTAG: Hey! I'm in Austin! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1014210 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CarverTheThird FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T21:33:45Z FirstChildTAG: Hi from Italy! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 950490 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Irenerika FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T22:16:18Z FirstChildTAG: ME TOO! HELLO FROM GREECE! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1050933 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Vassoula FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T00:13:52Z FirstChildTAG: Hi there, Kristen from Philippines.. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1070783 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kristehnn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T02:47:06Z FirstChildTAG: In Laredo. S'up? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1280572 FirstChildUserNameTAG: will72 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T22:58:54Z IndexTAG: 662 TitleTAG: Hello Hello everyone i am Christos from Athens UserIdTAG: 1259960 UserNameTAG: Christos01 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T20:08:11Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hello every one i am Xubie from Uganda(Africa) looking foward to learning some thing about Greece FirstChildUserIdTAG: 421496 FirstChildUserNameTAG: xubie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T08:02:03Z IndexTAG: 663 TitleTAG: hello How is everyone? I am really excited to see just what this class is all about I am an liberal arts major and I also am working on a degree in secondary education. My name is Darlene Castillo and I come from new Mexico I am looking forward to this class I have taken about three online classes in my college career. UserIdTAG: 1086487 UserNameTAG: 47232 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T19:36:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Darlene! I admire your curiosity! Have fun with this course! All best from Brooklyn! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T04:30:07Z IndexTAG: 664 TitleTAG: Greetings from Greece! Hello! My name is Tina and I live in Athens, Greece. I am really excited about the course and really surprised by the number of people from all over the world who will attend this course! UserIdTAG: 902606 UserNameTAG: TinaTsiambaou CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T18:58:06Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello, Tina. Have you noticed the number of Greek students?It's amazing. By the way, this is Eirini from Naxos. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T12:38:58Z IndexTAG: 665 TitleTAG: Hello! Hello everyone from Athens-Greece! UserIdTAG: 1259146 UserNameTAG: Hermarchus CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T18:09:58Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello there. Greetings from Chania Crete. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T11:55:44Z IndexTAG: 666 TitleTAG: Greetings from Nairobi Kenya Hamjambo wanafunzi! (How are you students) Excited. UserIdTAG: 1193639 UserNameTAG: Nashtessa CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T12:25:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi from Brazil! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 971010 FirstChildUserNameTAG: IaraLages FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T16:44:34Z IndexTAG: 667 TitleTAG: Hygienete ! (Hegienete) Have good health!! everybody! with the blessing of everything Good, we will enjoy this unique trip to Classical Hellas and to the ancient Greek heros !! UserIdTAG: 1255984 UserNameTAG: MaryBali CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T11:39:07Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Bless you back! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T15:12:20Z IndexTAG: 668 TitleTAG: 안녕하세요 from South Korea!! I am excited to learn this interesting subject about ancient Greek heroes. UserIdTAG: 801553 UserNameTAG: IL123 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T11:07:40Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: HELLO FROM GREECE! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1050933 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Vassoula FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T00:14:38Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Cali, U.S. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 915134 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jillswan SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T01:21:21Z IndexTAG: 669 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece! Time to learn about our great grand fathers! UserIdTAG: 93656 UserNameTAG: jjpilotgrc CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T09:36:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 670 TitleTAG: Brooklyn in da house! Greetings fellow travelers! Love how the world is wrapping its arms around this experience~ Enjoy the journey, hero seekers! UserIdTAG: 1037563 UserNameTAG: Netsuke CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T08:08:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Another person from Brooklyn--YES!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 869468 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CFArnold FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:31:22Z IndexTAG: 671 TitleTAG: Hello from Califonia Looking forward to opening up a box from college labeled "Greek" and dusting off the contents. Middle Liddell and Smythe, I've missed you. Not sure I remember much of my Greek, but I'm going to try to read a little in the original when I get a chance. I do remember, at any rate, that Homer was always worth the effort. :) UserIdTAG: 1036284 UserNameTAG: RachM CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T05:01:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi RM! I'm also a RachM, hailing from Cali! Hope you have a pleasant journey down memory lane with your old Greek friends. All best from Brooklyn, Rach FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T07:44:55Z FirstChildTAG: Dear RachM,we are so glad you enrolled! And many of us share your love of Homer. It's always, always worth the effort. *cheering you on* -Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:52:26Z IndexTAG: 672 TitleTAG: Global Humanity I am overwhelmed by gratitude not only for this course but for the tremendous opportunity to connect with so many people across the world. Real people, not sound bites on the news filtered through rhetoric and political spin. Just regular human beings, fellow journeyers, with stories to tell and insights to share. My only regret is that I cannot know all of you, know all of your stories. This world really is an amazing place, isn't it? UserIdTAG: 905366 UserNameTAG: Kris-W CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T03:20:15Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: I share the feeling. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1256700 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PanagiotisPerysinakis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T13:36:26Z FirstChildTAG: Here here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T15:10:28Z FirstChildTAG: Kris-W! Good words to outset the course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 926268 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SilvaniaVaz FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T19:09:54Z FirstChildTAG: Very wise statement!I completely agree. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1144118 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ArtemisiaGentileschi0 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T16:38:49Z FirstChildTAG: In the middle of a beautiful snow storm here in the midwestern U.S. It's like being in a glass snow globe, so lovely. Can't wait for our class to start. Where is everyone from? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 905366 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kris-W FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T20:05:23Z FirstChildTAG: Well said! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 869468 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CFArnold FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:32:08Z IndexTAG: 673 TitleTAG: Hello from Puerto Rico! Very exited to be taking this course! UserIdTAG: 978416 UserNameTAG: LisaCalero CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T02:10:14Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: just returned from my wife's hometown of mayaguez... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 890764 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jcatgmail FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T05:54:02Z IndexTAG: 674 TitleTAG: Hola from the Sunshine State! :) I'm an English teacher in Tampa gearing up for my unit on The Odyssey! I've taught it for a few years and even I feel like my unit is a bit dry. I'm so excited this is available for FREE! :) UserIdTAG: 1252912 UserNameTAG: jasminetjones CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T02:05:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Dear Jasminetjones, thanks for saying hello! Let us know how course changes your approach to the text in your own classroom!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:49:41Z FirstChildTAG: I am also an English teacher with the same hopes:) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 898093 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RuthLindenfelser FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T02:25:13Z IndexTAG: 675 TitleTAG: Greetings from Wisconsin, USA Hello World! I am looking forward to this course and I am already impressed with the locations of my fellow classmates. Enjoy the course everyone. UserIdTAG: 552793 UserNameTAG: Shirley1 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T23:16:25Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 676 TitleTAG: Greetings from a fellow seeker Hi. I am Craig from the US. This is my first course taken online, and I am excited (and a little intimidated). I look forward to sharing an interesting experience with such a diverse group. My background: Currently work as an xray tech (my day job). Was a freelance photographer for 20 plus years, also taught photo as an adjunct instructor for that period, exhibited my work in the NJ/NY metro area. UserIdTAG: 908176 UserNameTAG: cjpxray CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T21:51:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hi, i am ravi from india. completed my bachelors in engineering in india last year n currently doing my masters in international business at Warsaw School Of Economics in Poland. really looking forward to the course :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 95334 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ravi90kr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T22:30:01Z SecondChildTAG: Hi I am Elizabeth. I was a quality control chemist who chucked it all in 1979 to stay at home with my kids. Later became a life guard,aerobics instructor and personal trainer. You never know where life will take you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 SecondChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T22:55:58Z IndexTAG: 677 TitleTAG: Hello from Newcastle, England. Hello everyone! My name is Jayne and i live in Newcastle upon Tyne, England. Very excited to join the course and learn something new. I studied archaeology at university but never anything to do with the Greeks. Hope everyone will have as much fun as i will! UserIdTAG: 941687 UserNameTAG: JayneNewton CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T20:52:09Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi Jayne! I've had an affection for Newcastle upon Tyne ever since I worked with this band. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7WCpMThejA A little off topic, I know, but it's all part of the journey! All best from Brooklyn~ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T08:16:08Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Jayne, and fellow classmates! Ashyi here but I like the name Hypatia :). Welcome back to school. I am excited for March like you all guys here. Let us be united worldwide in learning. Have a great day! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 971557 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Hypatia2021 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:52:33Z IndexTAG: 678 TitleTAG: Duration of the course Hello. I would like to know how long this course is due to last. Thank you in advance for your reply. UserIdTAG: 1240703 UserNameTAG: Erza CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T18:49:05Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I would guess 12 weeks (2 hours per week)? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1256700 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PanagiotisPerysinakis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T13:31:58Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Ezra, the last day is currently listed as June 26. Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:43:56Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you, Claudia. Panagioti, you, too. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Erza SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T18:11:08Z IndexTAG: 679 TitleTAG: Hi From Wales! Hello everyone, I'm Kate from Wales in the UK. I am a final year PhD student and my research is all about freshwater ecology and climate change so I really looking forward to studying something completely out of my comfort zone, although I must admit to being a little bit nervous!! See you all soon! UserIdTAG: 1064927 UserNameTAG: KateWalker CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T17:57:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 680 TitleTAG: From panama but living between Montreal and Bordeaux Hello everyone, I'm a working assistant archivist, and in graduate school in Information Studies/Archives with a background in Philosophy, Archeaology and a bit of Linguistics. I just love ancient history, cultures and languages... and just old any-things.looking forward to taking this class and having fruitful discussions. UserIdTAG: 1199725 UserNameTAG: arete1729 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T17:31:49Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Thanks so much for enrolling! We hope you enjoy the course!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:41:04Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Arete! I wonder how many archivists we have in the class! I got my MLS specializing in Archives in 2005. \_rob\_ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 902982 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ferthalangur FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T21:27:09Z IndexTAG: 681 TitleTAG: Hallo from Italy Hi, I'm Erika, I'm 37 and I live near Milan. I'm a teacher in a primary school of my town. Best regards :-) Erika UserIdTAG: 1058078 UserNameTAG: erikatore CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T17:05:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Buongiorno Erika! Io sono di Naoussa,Greeece...Mi chiamo Ifigenia...Piacere FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1288744 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ifigeneia89 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T01:10:34Z IndexTAG: 682 TitleTAG: Hi from Argentina! Hi, I´m Marichu. I`m looking forward to start this course.- I`m studying Philosophy, starting this year.- See you... UserIdTAG: 1077341 UserNameTAG: marichu46 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T16:40:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 683 TitleTAG: Greeting from Michael, Italy Hello, I am very excited for being here in this virtual classroom and I lokk forward to getting to know you better in the weeks ahead. UserIdTAG: 1008900 UserNameTAG: mbegnini CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T13:47:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: me too! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 419549 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Vagisha FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T14:13:09Z FirstChildTAG: All of us I think !!!!! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1247853 FirstChildUserNameTAG: lilyek FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T14:17:07Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I'm italian too. I'm from Milan and you? erika FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1058078 FirstChildUserNameTAG: erikatore FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T17:15:57Z IndexTAG: 684 TitleTAG: Hello everyone~ I'm from South Korea. I studied molecular biology at college.(B.A.) I'm very very new to this field of study. I've heard of Achileus, Odysseus, Hector, Agamemnon... of course, but I've never read Iliad or Odyssey or any other greek classic texts. When I found out this "The Ancient Greek Hero" course(through 'Open Culture'), I heard somewhere in my head saying, "Let's try this out. It could be good!". So, Here I Am. Can't wait to start!!! :) p.s. I'd like to learn about 'heroic act', as a mortal being myself, about 'to become immortalized by death' and about 'honorable life'. p.p.s. This is my first on-line study. I'm very excited~! :) UserIdTAG: 1200574 UserNameTAG: LAGIOIA CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T13:47:07Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Lagioia, Where do you live in Korea? I have traveled to Seoul a few times to teach some classes (just last month was the last time) and I love it there. SamLam FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1243652 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SamLam FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T21:09:09Z SecondChildTAG: wow~ what a surprise! Nice to meet you. :) I live in Busan south east of South Korea with beautiful coast. -LaGioia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1200574 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LAGIOIA SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T01:04:22Z IndexTAG: 685 TitleTAG: Greetings from Lycia, Turkey. Hello everyone. I am from Lycian coast of Turkey. Living in patara(the Capital city of Lycia) Everybody who wants to smell the same air with Lycians are welcome. I wish all of us have a joyfull courses. UserIdTAG: 1146707 UserNameTAG: Sarpedon CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T13:29:33Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: merhaba!!!benim adim nana!!!yunanistanlim!!!!i hope this will be a great course!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1171306 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nanak82 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T13:39:23Z IndexTAG: 686 TitleTAG: Hello From Portugal Hi! I`m Isabel from Portugal I`m so excited to start this course. I`m a Portuguese teacher and I`m so happy to meet so many people from all over the world. Have a nice day UserIdTAG: 1138393 UserNameTAG: IsabelBorges CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T12:00:06Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm Soraia, also from Portugal, Lisboa. Nice to meet you all. I'm studying computer science but I want to read and learn more about the classical greek culture and their ancient Heroes that's why I'm very exciting to start this course :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 315474 FirstChildUserNameTAG: soraia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T13:58:06Z IndexTAG: 687 TitleTAG: ggeorge hi to everyone from Athens Greece UserIdTAG: 51292 UserNameTAG: ggeorge CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T10:58:36Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello to you! This is Eirini from Naxos FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240703 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Erza FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T14:59:31Z IndexTAG: 688 TitleTAG: Hi from Serbia Hi everybody, I'm excited to participate in such a thrilling history course! S. Petakovic UserIdTAG: 1170075 UserNameTAG: strale91 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T10:50:37Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Brazil!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 971010 FirstChildUserNameTAG: IaraLages FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T16:58:55Z FirstChildTAG: Hi from USA FirstChildUserIdTAG: 905366 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Kris-W FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T03:00:51Z FirstChildTAG: hi from Macedonia :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1179934 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DinaMit FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T11:31:42Z IndexTAG: 689 TitleTAG: hello from philippines hi everyone excited to be apart of this course :) UserIdTAG: 199933 UserNameTAG: unmei23 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T10:21:11Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 690 TitleTAG: Hello from India Its sleeba paul from india :) Hope all you are doing fine :) UserIdTAG: 69907 UserNameTAG: sleeba CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T08:26:38Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hey Slebba Paul, I'm doing great how about you? I find it really helps to have someone in the group that you can work with and provide support to one another. Would you like to work together? Christian from North Carolina. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 162541 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Robowarrior FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T11:43:18Z IndexTAG: 691 TitleTAG: Hello from Poland! I'm Magda from Warsaw, Poland. Hello everybody! UserIdTAG: 924241 UserNameTAG: MagBart CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T07:26:25Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: m also in warsaw )) what a coincidence !! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 95334 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ravi90kr FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T22:34:42Z SecondChildTAG: And I'm in a fantastic Polish neighborhood in Brooklyn, NY. Greetings from Greenpoint! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T08:35:41Z SecondChildTAG: Coincidence or pure statistics;) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 924241 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MagBart SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T12:52:25Z SecondChildTAG: statistics vs coincidence !! very old debate haha SecondChildUserIdTAG: 95334 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ravi90kr SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T22:01:13Z IndexTAG: 692 TitleTAG: From Brazil in Abu Dhabi Hello all!! Very excited with this course opportunity! I'm Andrea from Brazil but an Abu Dhabi resident. Looking forward! UserIdTAG: 1140482 UserNameTAG: DeaFonseca CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T07:02:09Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi Andrea! I'm also exited to join this Course. Keep Well.... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1245827 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Bayezid_88 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T10:41:57Z SecondChildTAG: I'm from Brazil too but I live in Salem, Massachusetts USA. What do you do in Abu Dhabi? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 935178 SecondChildUserNameTAG: hmikalixen SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T17:15:59Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, guys! Greetings from Brazil! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 971010 FirstChildUserNameTAG: IaraLages FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:03:34Z IndexTAG: 693 TitleTAG: Hi Friends Hello friends, I am very happy to join this course... I think this course will help me to improve my studies .. Because I am a B.A English language and literature student. Ok we can fly over the ancient Greek ... We can see the powerful myth ... Arun Jose UserIdTAG: 955441 UserNameTAG: Arunjosep CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:57:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 694 TitleTAG: Greetings from South Korea! Hello! It's a privilege to be able to take such an amazing course! I am so excited to start a new adventure! Thank you so much! UserIdTAG: 1118444 UserNameTAG: ajt0714 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:08:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm very happy to see about the Greek Heroes. It's the first time to read the Classical Greek Literature but I will do my best to understand what it is to be human through this course. I expect more greetings from South Korea. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1083195 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Minah FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:36:47Z FirstChildTAG: I'm south korean too! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 801553 FirstChildUserNameTAG: IL123 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T11:12:13Z IndexTAG: 695 TitleTAG: Good Morning from The Middle East Hello All, Anyone else out here in Dubai? Jessica UserIdTAG: 959746 UserNameTAG: pakenhaj CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:07:19Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Jessica, in Abu Dhabi! How are you?! Andrea FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1140482 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DeaFonseca FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:58:22Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Andrea! I'm great, just a little overwhelmed by the number of people on this forum! And also have so much to catch up on, have you started anything yet? Jessica SecondChildUserIdTAG: 959746 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pakenhaj SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T17:35:52Z IndexTAG: 696 TitleTAG: Hello from Florida Hey everyone! Excited about taking this course! Hope everyone enjoys UserIdTAG: 173456 UserNameTAG: Patrickrmorgan CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T04:44:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 697 TitleTAG: Survived the blizzard and ready to learn! Hello fellow classmates, This is my first foray into the edX world of online learning, though I have taken online classes from several traditional universities. I'm looking forward to learning more about Greek Heroes and their impact on modern thinking. Best, Hannah in Massachusetts UserIdTAG: 1004096 UserNameTAG: hannah79 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T04:44:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hi hannah from massachusetts! i'm nancy from massachusetts! i'm glad you survived the storm... we had some limbs and trees down and power outage that lasted for days. but came through fine welcome to class, i'm excited to be working with you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060449 FirstChildUserNameTAG: okellyn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T14:54:35Z IndexTAG: 698 TitleTAG: Hello to all Hi everyone. I am excited about this learning opportunity, and I am excited to share this experience with people from around the globe. I am a high school English and Journalism teacher. I hope that I can bring my new knowledge into my classroom. I am nervous about balancing my time between being a teacher, a mom of a four year-old and a two year-old, and this class. UserIdTAG: 898093 UserNameTAG: RuthLindenfelser CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:56:09Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hi Ruth, the timings seem flexible,I'm sure you'll find a balance. all the best FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1247419 FirstChildUserNameTAG: donnallane FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T13:50:45Z IndexTAG: 699 TitleTAG: Hello from Chicago Greetings from Chicago. My name is Bob. Looking forward to taking the class! UserIdTAG: 1240847 UserNameTAG: bobinchicago CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:53:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello from North Carolina, I think we all are :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 162541 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Robowarrior FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T11:44:16Z FirstChildTAG: hallo from Kenya,I'm looking forward to this course FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1247419 FirstChildUserNameTAG: donnallane FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T13:46:37Z IndexTAG: 700 TitleTAG: JDFigueredo Hello everyone, has one more from Brazil here! I am very happy and looking forward to participate in this group. Hugs to all. UserIdTAG: 1243916 UserNameTAG: JDFigueredo CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:49:11Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 701 TitleTAG: Hello from North Bay Hello Everyone! I am a career professional by day but a reader and learner at all other times. Excited about this course, especially eager to see, and feel, how a MOOC works (if it will live up to its hype)...and as I have not read about Greek heroes since my childhood I am looking forward to new insights, analysis, and some hopefully some tough and engaging discussions. UserIdTAG: 1013152 UserNameTAG: IB7G CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:38:58Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 702 TitleTAG: Hello from Brasil Hello everyone. I am from Brasil and very happy with this course and new friends. UserIdTAG: 1244288 UserNameTAG: etenorio3 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:34:52Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: E os brasileiros marcando presença! Que bom! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1343346 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LUCIANALOPES FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T23:05:02Z IndexTAG: 703 TitleTAG: Hello from Boston I am excited to embark on a new adventure. Thank you, Amy UserIdTAG: 1013336 UserNameTAG: agivens CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:17:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Carver! I'm excited to be working with you! Welcome from Nancy FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060449 FirstChildUserNameTAG: okellyn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T14:55:34Z IndexTAG: 704 TitleTAG: Gamers Dream Hello Everyone, My dream of becoming a video game designer is slowly coming more together,by taking this course it will be a great opportunity to learn new things that i can apply to my interactive arts and sciences program.I can not wait to exercise these brain muscles.Greek history has always been interesting,Can't wait! UserIdTAG: 1243983 UserNameTAG: Zeldakaske CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T00:58:15Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: One of my goals is too also learn more about using a computer. You are way ahead of me. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:19:26Z IndexTAG: 705 TitleTAG: Hello from Wellington, New Zealand Hi, I teach Classical Studies at Wellington High. I am really excited about starting this course as I have my Year 11 course focused around the representations of heroes in the ancient and modern world. I am hoping to use some of my learning to enhance what I teach in the course. UserIdTAG: 894389 UserNameTAG: TrudyHarvey CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T00:36:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 706 TitleTAG: Hi from Karen in Boston This is my first EDx course. My husband (Howard from Boston) and I have taken several Coursera courses. I am 60 and recently retired. I worked 40 years in the technology field and wanted to find activities that were stimulating and interesting. I found the variety of online courses offered by Coursera and EDx have provided an outlet to continue expanding my knowledge in a number of topics. I have taken courses in Nutrition, Hollywood Film Making, Modern Literature, Astronomy and the Economics of Obesity. I am surprised that more people aren't taking advantage of this amazing opportunity to explore and learn. I am looking forward to enjoying this course with my fellow students. UserIdTAG: 230204 UserNameTAG: KBrooks CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T00:04:49Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I tried to get some of my friends to take this class, but everyone thought it was too big of a commitment. I have not written a paper since 1974. I am disabled so this is a thrill to get out into the world. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060336 FirstChildUserNameTAG: elizabethmorin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T02:32:06Z FirstChildTAG: It is good know that other people have taken different courses. This is especially rewarding considering the number of people from all over the world. I am a retired professor of communication, theatre and film studies. I'm looking forward to writing with a purpose again. Pat1929 and I don't live far from Boston. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1095291 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Pat1929 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T17:08:50Z SecondChildTAG: We are taking a Hollywood Storytelling course offered by Coursera. It is very interesting. The course discusses the evolution of film making techniques starting with silent films. I have a greater appreciation for the art of making silent films. We are moving into color next week. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 230204 SecondChildUserNameTAG: KBrooks SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:20:29Z IndexTAG: 707 TitleTAG: Hello Hello, I am very excited to be a part of this class. I am a professor who teaches Koine (New Testament) Greek at a seminary in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. I have done a good bit of study about the grammar of Greek (Koine is much simpler than classical Greek) but not so much about the background, particularly the heroes. I can't wait for the class to start. Sam Lamerson UserIdTAG: 1243652 UserNameTAG: SamLam CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T23:49:52Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Wow this is so interesting! Are there really so many people who would like to learn Greek language!! I am thrilled! I am a teacher of Greek language as well and Greek students are not so interested! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1065692 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JoannaMiller01 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T11:31:03Z IndexTAG: 708 TitleTAG: Hello from Washington State Hi, I am from Washington state and I am very happy to be in this course. I cannot wait to get started. UserIdTAG: 1204736 UserNameTAG: Merrijo CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T23:43:05Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 709 TitleTAG: Hey Hey Hi all. I am Bre from Michigan. Super excited about this. Hoping it goes well!!! UserIdTAG: 1021773 UserNameTAG: Br3aNNa CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T23:40:29Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 710 TitleTAG: Hi From Tucson I might be the oldest student in the class. I got my BS from MIT in 1953, and want to see what a good MOOC is like. Any similar backgrounds? UserIdTAG: 1019405 UserNameTAG: Len53 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T20:49:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi Len I thought I might be the oldest but I only graduated in the 80's. Studied theatre and performance art. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 891317 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Annettehendley FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T22:05:07Z FirstChildTAG: I'm in the middle ground, apparently; born the year before you graduated ('52). FirstChildUserIdTAG: 922804 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RandyFromm52 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T01:14:21Z FirstChildTAG: I was born in 1950. There are lots of us........ I became interested in Ancient Greece during my sophomore year in high school - Mrs. Burkhart at Palo Verde High School in Tucson AZ -- and it's never gone away. Can't imagine going back to life pre MOOC. Jan Littrell FirstChildUserIdTAG: 902688 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JanLittrell FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-27T21:16:09Z IndexTAG: 711 TitleTAG: books hello,will we access the e-books from here? UserIdTAG: 910559 UserNameTAG: amisener CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T20:44:26Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi amisener, thanks for enrolling and for posting this question. We haven't uploaded the course texts just yet, but we will make an announcement when we do! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T21:12:04Z IndexTAG: 712 TitleTAG: ebooks Nobody was able to download books?I'm just worrying not to miss the chance to download them. UserIdTAG: 909575 UserNameTAG: allasobirova CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T19:18:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi allasobirova, don't worry! The books haven't been posted yet. We'll let you know when they are available as we get closer to our start date. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T19:37:09Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you very much for your care,Claudia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 909575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: allasobirova SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T05:08:53Z IndexTAG: 713 TitleTAG: Hey Everyone, From Boston Out of practice in school work for awhile but took six years of CLassics in high school really looking forward into getting back into it all. UserIdTAG: 1241408 UserNameTAG: MCrowley46 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T17:40:04Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 714 TitleTAG: Hello from Canada Hi, my name is Courteny and I live in Saskatchewan. I'm excited to connect with everyone from around the world for this course. UserIdTAG: 184418 UserNameTAG: piecour CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T17:06:22Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hello from Nova Scotia, my first time taking anything like this... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 910559 FirstChildUserNameTAG: amisener FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T20:26:55Z SecondChildTAG: hello from Toronto! ....ditto! :))) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 972152 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IsisWisdom SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T18:50:29Z IndexTAG: 715 TitleTAG: from Mexico hello, I'm very excited about this course and I'm sure it will be a great leartning experience!:-) Cheers UserIdTAG: 932442 UserNameTAG: liliana75 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T15:52:53Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hola from Brooklyn, NY! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T08:40:56Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Liliana! Participaremos en el grupo, te envío saludos afectuosos. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 977792 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Yaonox FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T17:45:18Z IndexTAG: 716 TitleTAG: Hello from Serbia! :)) UserIdTAG: 1240319 UserNameTAG: AlexSeka CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:09:47Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from USA! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 345623 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Stargirl77 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T00:30:41Z SecondChildTAG: Hi from Serbia once again ;) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1196355 SecondChildUserNameTAG: EmilyEly87 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T09:23:35Z SecondChildTAG: Hello to everyone! I hope we'll have nice time reading all this interesting stuff... :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240319 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AlexSeka SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T17:28:40Z IndexTAG: 717 TitleTAG: Hello from Spain Hello for all, do you know the name of this cohort?. Kind regards and best wishes for the Sunday. UserIdTAG: 449804 UserNameTAG: Heriberto CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T12:21:26Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Heriberto, we haven't placed students into cohorts yet. More about that soon! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T15:05:56Z IndexTAG: 718 TitleTAG: Greetings Hello! My name is Adriana I'm from Mexico. I'm 26 years old, nice to meet you everyone! UserIdTAG: 1160930 UserNameTAG: AdrianaPalomino CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T06:11:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 719 TitleTAG: Hello from Switzerland Hello, my name is Gisela and I am Panamanian, but I live in Switzerland. Nice to meet you. I am looking forward to learning about the conflicts, external and internal of the Greek Hero. My favorite Greek Hero would have to be Oedipus Rex and I would have loved a happier ending for him. See you soon, Gisela UserIdTAG: 901006 UserNameTAG: Gisela1932 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T06:02:25Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Gisela, happy to meet you. Smiles from Australia. My hero is Artemis. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:20:03Z IndexTAG: 720 TitleTAG: Hello from Providence, Rhode Island, USA! Hey everyone! I'm Heather, I'm 25, and I'm so excited to start this course with you all! I majored in Classics as an undergrad, and did a bit of post-bac work in it. I read most of the myths in the original Latin or Greek however, so I'm really looking forward to taking this as a refresher and being able to fully enjoy it in English. It's been a little while but hopefully it will all come back to me! UserIdTAG: 1005760 UserNameTAG: HJCSeven CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T03:55:27Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 721 TitleTAG: G'Day from Sydney Australia Nice to meet you all. Also, are there any other Aussies on here? UserIdTAG: 1168208 UserNameTAG: Waldactyl CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:07:18Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: hi to you great to know your from australia, im working with telstra _dennis FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1084504 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dennisrebondan FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T08:45:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hi - yes! I am up in SE Queensland :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1199055 FirstChildUserNameTAG: murt FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T04:06:23Z IndexTAG: 722 TitleTAG: Hello Hello all. I'm from Portugal. Nice to meet you. UserIdTAG: 1238053 UserNameTAG: Jalexandre CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:53:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Me too. I'm online from Estoril! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1066103 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lmalha FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:37:25Z FirstChildTAG: Hello. I´m from Portugal also. And i´m glad to be on this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1238127 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bpeixoto FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T01:08:08Z SecondChildTAG: Good to see someone from home! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1238053 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jalexandre SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T01:19:28Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, I'm from Hungary. And for me this is the first course. Nice to meet you :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240942 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Christina22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T16:31:00Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from USA :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 894957 FirstChildUserNameTAG: devicka FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T19:20:39Z IndexTAG: 723 TitleTAG: Hello from France Hi, i'm greek-italian, studying archaeology at the University of Aix-en-Provence and living in Poitiers. Quite excited to start this course, and happy to meet and discuss with all of you! UserIdTAG: 1065150 UserNameTAG: MartinaMenisPitouli CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:37:16Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:21:06Z SecondChildTAG: Bonjour! Would you like to trade places with me? Aix-en-Provence... sigh! Best wishes from Brooklyn, NY SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T08:46:17Z FirstChildTAG: am very happy to participate in such a course. it affects me very much to have this opportunity to know something about Greeks.am glad to join Harvard university for it is the most famous university in the world of today.am Mohammed mustafam Mohammed Salih. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240227 FirstChildUserNameTAG: salihsalih FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:03:27Z FirstChildTAG: Bonjour! Would you like to trade places with me? Aix-en-Provence... sigh! Best wishes from Brooklyn, NY FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T08:48:04Z FirstChildTAG: Salut Martina! I spent last summer in Poitiers and loved it! I hope you're enjoying your time there. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 928168 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HaleyM FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-25T01:23:21Z IndexTAG: 724 TitleTAG: Greetings to all. Good evening. I'm from the English Midlands in Staffordshire not far from where the Staffordshire Hoard was discovered. I too am looking forward to starting the course. I note that one or two comments have indicated a strong desire to get hold of relevant study material so that the course can get underway. I too am keen to begin. I've had a look on the Amazon UK Kindle site and note that there are Kindle books available for next to nothing. In fact there are two works by Heredotus, he's named in the syllabus, that are free. There are also some reasonably priced books on Greek myths. I've ordered some for background reading. I hope that this may be of some assistance. UserIdTAG: 1107954 UserNameTAG: WaylandSmith CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:37:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:20:52Z IndexTAG: 725 TitleTAG: Technical specs? Any tech advice for us? I'm browsing this message board on Firefox (18.0.2) and it keeps freezing/crashing. I'm going to switch to Chrome but thought I'd see if folks had advice/suggestions for best technology to best use the site/materials. UserIdTAG: 1126344 UserNameTAG: unabridgedchick CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:54:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: I'm using the same version of firefox and haven't had any issues as of yet. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 615755 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tammyv FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:44:11Z SecondChildTAG: I use chrome. Not a single problem. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1238053 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jalexandre SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:54:19Z SecondChildTAG: I use Chrome too, and everything works pretty fine. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 148311 SecondChildUserNameTAG: narielg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T01:59:59Z SecondChildTAG: Try to remove some bookmarks from the firefox, but I am using the Chrome, no prob. Azza SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1144087 SecondChildUserNameTAG: adawi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T15:31:12Z FirstChildTAG: I am using Chrome and I am very satisfied :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 966253 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SonaMito FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:59:08Z FirstChildTAG: I'm also using Chrome, no issues so far! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:00:58Z FirstChildTAG: Chrome, no issues. here is a jsmath package on edx that bugs IE, and sometimes flash extension needs update, as far as I remember from the september's beginnings. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T05:42:17Z FirstChildTAG: It's Chrome all the way FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:20:33Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:20:40Z IndexTAG: 726 TitleTAG: Length of course Hello I wondered if anyone knows the time duration of the course. I realise we are working in "hours " not weeks but would like to book a holiday for after its completed. Thank you, Delphine UserIdTAG: 1168003 UserNameTAG: Delphine1 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:43:20Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:20:03Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Delphine1! Great question! The course is currently scheduled to end June 26th. Good luck with your travels this summer!! Best, Claudia PS Thanks so much for enrolling! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:00:50Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Claudia feel really privileged to have the opportunity to study this way.It truly is wonderful. Delphine SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:49:28Z IndexTAG: 727 TitleTAG: Hi from Beirut hi I'm Azza from Lebanon, Eng. Lit grad, and very much interested in the Greek Mythology and culture UserIdTAG: 1144087 UserNameTAG: adawi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T20:06:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi Azza! I'm April from Austin, Texas. I'm so glad so many people are as eager for this course as I am! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T23:01:12Z SecondChildTAG: hi azza i'm mohammed from algeria, I hope it would be a nice experience... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1139438 SecondChildUserNameTAG: akkaditum SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T09:50:32Z SecondChildTAG: Hey April and Mohammed, thank you for the welcome note, see you soon in class!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1144087 SecondChildUserNameTAG: adawi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T15:28:56Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:19:13Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Azza, There are 23 of us from Lebanon now according to the map just posted. Perhaps we can all get together some time soon if we can work out who everybody is? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T10:18:00Z IndexTAG: 728 TitleTAG: Hello Hi everyone, I am looking forward to taking this class. UserIdTAG: 815235 UserNameTAG: Bkilgore CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T19:25:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi! Me too! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T23:00:08Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:19:06Z IndexTAG: 729 TitleTAG: Hola a Todos .. Grüsse aus Berlin hi everyone !! I am peruvian but I live in Berlin ,let's start this course .. UserIdTAG: 956012 UserNameTAG: Magaly CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T19:22:19Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:59:52Z FirstChildTAG: Guten Tag! Ich heisse Nariel und wohne in Mexiko. I'm studying German, but I just had 5 weeks doing it.. so be gentle. I'm kinda excited for this! Let's start! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 148311 FirstChildUserNameTAG: narielg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:08:34Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:18:57Z IndexTAG: 730 TitleTAG: hi from uk hi my name is chris originally from norway but living in the uk,excited to learn about ancient greek UserIdTAG: 1206285 UserNameTAG: chris26111980 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T18:51:27Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Hello Chris , I wish you well with course glad to have Scandinavian on board! Delphine FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:48:44Z FirstChildTAG: where can i look at the 2 books to read from??????? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1206285 FirstChildUserNameTAG: chris26111980 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:57:44Z SecondChildTAG: Chris - Some of our fellow students have started Facebook pages for this class. Someone posted a download link to the book/pdf (h24h) there. Here is the group page I found it on: http://www.facebook.com/groups/CB22x/ I hope that helps! <3 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 SecondChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:59:17Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Chris! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:45:23Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:18:49Z IndexTAG: 731 TitleTAG: Northern New York (Canadian Border north) Hello to everyone, I, like most here it seems, am very excited for the content of this course, but also for the chance to interact with people across this planet of ours. It's time for me to dust off the rusty strings of my Greek mythology knowledge and time to embark on a journey of learning and fun. Enjoy! Rob UserIdTAG: 1008644 UserNameTAG: Rob74d CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T18:46:06Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi Rob! My father's family comes from Tonawanda! I'm also finding the geographic range inspiring. Its a pleasure to make your acquaintance! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:44:53Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:18:27Z IndexTAG: 732 TitleTAG: Hello from St. Louis I'm really looking forward to this course and working with everyone - UserIdTAG: 435337 UserNameTAG: PKK2012 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T18:45:27Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello to you, too, from Austin, Texas! I am too! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:39:46Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:18:19Z IndexTAG: 733 TitleTAG: Hello all from western Kentucky, US! Looking forward to learning about the Ancient Greek Hero with everyone! I'm so excited! UserIdTAG: 615755 UserNameTAG: tammyv CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T17:22:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Austin, Texas! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:39:01Z FirstChildTAG: hello from Las Vegas, Nevada; excitement ^2 here. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1232884 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Joester FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T18:29:56Z SecondChildTAG: Joester, I'm in Las Vegas (Henderson area). Cool to see someone local. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T18:47:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm from Eastern Kentucky. Awesome to see you in here! Looking forward to this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1179669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SavannahG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:56:49Z SecondChildTAG: I'm looking forward to the course too! I attended Morehead State for my undergrad and my parents live in Menifee County! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 615755 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tammyv SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:42:10Z SecondChildTAG: Eastern KY also, Lexington! Can't wait to try this class out, the one I am in now is boring me to death! :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1021645 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RogueGamerGurl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T17:29:42Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:18:11Z FirstChildTAG: Hi TammyV, this is Melanie in Bowling Green, Kentucky! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1005116 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MBMaddux FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:59:22Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm from Lexington, and I've got lots of extended family living in Hardin County. Glad to see so many Kentuckians on here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1054504 FirstChildUserNameTAG: KArnold FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T15:49:44Z SecondChildTAG: Lexington also! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1021645 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RogueGamerGurl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T17:30:06Z IndexTAG: 734 TitleTAG: The Advice I’m reading the “Advice for Students” portion now, and I was just wondering if that quote by Friedrich Nietzsche is intended to make one want to weep very slowly too? If I’m this blown away already, well I can only imagine the possibilities to come. Bonjour from Québec, Canada. UserIdTAG: 1178998 UserNameTAG: upsydasy CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T16:48:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: I love this reaction, thank you for sharing it. I agree, this course is proving to be quite provoking and has yet to even begin. I advocate slowing and embracing every tear - always - and each smile as honestly and openly as possible. I look forward to learning this experience with you! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:33:24Z SecondChildTAG: upsydasy, how beautiful! Thanks for sharing your reaction!! Can we share this with a wider audience? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T23:26:28Z FirstChildTAG: The Advice is about the heart of the craft, working with texts for beginners, nicely written. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T05:47:50Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:17:59Z IndexTAG: 735 TitleTAG: Hello from Perú, South America Hello my friends!!! My Name is Juan. I live in Lima, Perú. I'm excited to start the course which will increase our knowledge of greek culture. Let´s have fun!! UserIdTAG: 1034604 UserNameTAG: Juando CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T16:40:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Hey! another latin american! :D Hi, Im Gustavo and im from Mexico City. See ya. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1058991 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Gustavovar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:53:27Z SecondChildTAG: Hola Gustavo!! Saludos desde Lima, Perú. Suerte en este interesante curso SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1034604 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Juando SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:50:33Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Juan! My name is April and I live in Austin, Texas. I'm so glad other people seem as excited about this as I am. Thanks! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:23:33Z SecondChildTAG: Hi April!! Nice to meet you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1034604 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Juando SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:53:56Z FirstChildTAG: Hi my name is Odetta Iam glad I am not the lone ranger. Excited about this course!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 869955 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Odetta1961 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:20:20Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:17:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hola Juan. También es un gusto ver a un compatriota en este curso. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1068197 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Normi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T23:05:08Z SecondChildTAG: Saludos Norma!! El gusto es mio. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1034604 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Juando SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T23:32:39Z IndexTAG: 736 TitleTAG: mina from Egypt hi to all of you , i'm very glade to be with you UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T15:54:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi Mina, I'm glad you're here too! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:19:58Z SecondChildTAG: hi mina i'm mohammed from algeria , i'm glad too to be here with you all... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1139438 SecondChildUserNameTAG: akkaditum SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T09:52:39Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:17:32Z FirstChildTAG: ahmad from egypt too .. glad to see other egyptians ^_^ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1205384 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ahmad92 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T16:57:33Z IndexTAG: 737 TitleTAG: hi just wanted to say hi to everyone from north london... UserIdTAG: 1051264 UserNameTAG: daimon75 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T15:46:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:19:28Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:17:24Z IndexTAG: 738 TitleTAG: hello!!! hello from greece!!!i am nana. i hope this will be a great experience!!!! UserIdTAG: 1171306 UserNameTAG: nanak82 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T14:51:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Austin, Texas, Nana! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:08:44Z SecondChildTAG: hello aprilrose!!!nice to meet you!!!i look forward to this course!!!<3 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1171306 SecondChildUserNameTAG: nanak82 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:56:14Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:16:40Z IndexTAG: 739 TitleTAG: HI! Hello from Greece! I'm so excited about this course! UserIdTAG: 1235398 UserNameTAG: elenikam CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T14:46:20Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Austin, Texas - me too! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:09:06Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:16:32Z IndexTAG: 740 TitleTAG: Hello from Arkansas Looking forward to this course - I am a university professor who has lived all over the world - now teaching in the mid-south USA. UserIdTAG: 956901 UserNameTAG: bhicks1178 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:14:15Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: I am a university professor, too - teaching history of ideas. Educated in Germany and Denmark, a couple of times visiting scholar at UCBerkeley. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1038926 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mihail1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T18:15:04Z SecondChildTAG: Bhicks, what part of Arkansas? I have family in the LR area. I'm going to be spending the summer in Eureka Springs. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T18:53:16Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings to you all from Austin, Texas! The range of the students for this class continue to astound me as I scroll through everyone's introductions. Global origins, diverse educational backgrounds, from age 10 - 74 (that I've encountered so far). Amazing and inspiring! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:18:12Z SecondChildTAG: Hi aprilrose, we are so excited about the range of students participating! I've actually seen a post by one student who is 90! I haven't see the post by a 10 year old yet. But I'll keep reading!! Best, Claudia SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T19:40:54Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:16:15Z IndexTAG: 741 TitleTAG: Shalom from Tel Aviv I am looking forward to filling a huge blank spot in my education. UserIdTAG: 989914 UserNameTAG: anitaf CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:13:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Shalom, and looking forward to expanding my knowledge base too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1232884 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Joester FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T18:27:47Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Austin, Texas! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:32:28Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T11:16:04Z IndexTAG: 742 TitleTAG: kamusta kayo! :D hi from philippines ♥ Mabuhay! ^^ UserIdTAG: 936917 UserNameTAG: adaricaros CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T12:54:40Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:14:14Z SecondChildTAG: On it! Thanks, Nick! <3 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 SecondChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:40:31Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm also from the Philippines. I teach Information Technology to college students. I am into Greek mythology so I enrolled in this class. Nice to meet you. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1217288 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MikkiSantiago FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T16:02:47Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks :D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 936917 SecondChildUserNameTAG: adaricaros SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T04:22:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hi im from philippines as well. :) its nice meeting you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1186139 FirstChildUserNameTAG: melquinones FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T17:22:33Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks :D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 936917 SecondChildUserNameTAG: adaricaros SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T04:22:28Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Austin, Texas! I'm pleased to meet you! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:41:07Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you.:D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 936917 SecondChildUserNameTAG: adaricaros SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-07T04:22:59Z IndexTAG: 743 TitleTAG: Hello from Vancouver, BC, Canada! I'm excited to be on this journey with you all! I love Greek Mythology, and I have a background in Biblical Studies. I'm excited to find out more about how Logos fits in to the tradition of the Greek hero, as this word is important to Christians - one of the most fundamental ideas to Christianity is that Jesus is the Word, which is [logos]... My background is in Mennonite / Anabaptist theology, in case anyone is curious :) UserIdTAG: 992689 UserNameTAG: jordanws CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T11:48:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:13:59Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Austin, Texas! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:49:19Z FirstChildTAG: Hello I used to live in Vancouver near Stanley Park ( Alberni) hope you have a voyage of discovery. Delphine FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T19:56:24Z IndexTAG: 744 TitleTAG: Namaste! Hello from India Hi everybody, my name is Gaurav from INDIA. UserIdTAG: 1195474 UserNameTAG: GDutta CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T10:59:38Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: Hey! Aditya from India as well. Can't wait for this course to start! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1234442 FirstChildUserNameTAG: adiandreas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T11:07:05Z SecondChildTAG: Me too! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1195474 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GDutta SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:28:19Z SecondChildTAG: Where r in India r u from? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1195474 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GDutta SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:28:38Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:13:47Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I am Shivani from India. This would be a good start for learning about the development of humans and who are the ones called hero which appear to top the ladder of evolution....I have no background in literature but do have interest in listening to stories and poems... It would be wonderful learning experience I believe. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 336475 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ShivaniPurnima FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T15:05:36Z SecondChildTAG: I just love reading about greek mythology...although i've never read the Illiad and odessey, i'm excited about it SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1195474 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GDutta SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:31:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hey all... Neeli from India as well... really excited to do the course.. Hope we have great fun learning..! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 115084 FirstChildUserNameTAG: neelipriya FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T15:24:43Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Gaurav, Aditya, Shivani, & Neeli! I'm so glad you're all here with us! I'm April and I live in Austin, Texas. This course should be a lot of fun! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:53:29Z SecondChildTAG: Hello April...nice to meet you....Looks like this course is going to be a huge load of fun... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1195474 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GDutta SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T06:29:42Z FirstChildTAG: Hi People ! Ravi, from India. Really looking forward to having a deeper understanding on the Greek culture. Be it history, medicine, heroics, and art & design, the Greeks have always been so inspiring. Will be wonderful to learn about them. εβίβα cheers ! in Greek ;) Ravi FirstChildUserIdTAG: 944166 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ravisoni FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T08:46:14Z IndexTAG: 745 TitleTAG: Hello from Derbyshire, UK My name is John and I am joining the course, like a lot of people, from an interest in Greek myth and (honestly) because it's a course from Harvard! Good Luck Everyone, John UserIdTAG: 1115702 UserNameTAG: JohnDakin CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T10:45:30Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:13:31Z FirstChildTAG: Hi John! I'm glad you decided to join us! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:56:17Z FirstChildTAG: Ha ha Harvard caught my eye too! Delphine (Liverpool) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T19:58:29Z FirstChildTAG: Morning All, Thanks for your messages - not so cold in cyberspace anymore! Just been on the forum (https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en) dont know if you have yet and watched a short video of Prof Nagy talking about a section of the Iliad. Definitely worth doing. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1115702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JohnDakin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T10:10:33Z FirstChildTAG: Hi from the Philippines! I joined this course out of my interest in the humanities and Greek literature. But like you, I did join it because it's from Harvard and it's free! So excited to start reading and discussing! Cheers, Tet FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1098885 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tetrivera FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-06T20:01:37Z SecondChildTAG: Wonder when we get the readings? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1115702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JohnDakin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T10:29:05Z IndexTAG: 746 TitleTAG: Kamusta? How are you from the Philippines :) I am a teacher in the Philippines. I teach social studies subjects in the secondary level. :) UserIdTAG: 1091439 UserNameTAG: shadowalker CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T10:39:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:13:23Z SecondChildTAG: Hello. I am also from the Philippines. I teach Information Technology for college students. I am into greek mythology so I went and enrolled in this class. Nice to meet you. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1217288 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MikkiSantiago SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T16:01:08Z FirstChildTAG: I'm sorry! I'm not familiar with the use of Google+. I will study the site to learn more about it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1091439 FirstChildUserNameTAG: shadowalker FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T17:34:21Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Austin, Texas! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:57:29Z IndexTAG: 747 TitleTAG: hey mates! good day to all of you guys. I'm Dennis Rebondan 20 years old, from the Philippines. I hope every discussion will be conducive, and every one is free to share their knowledge's to give new ideas that anyone can use. You can e-mail me at **dennisrebondan@gmail.com** I'm looking forward to see you all guys in the near future. Regards; *_dennisrebondan* UserIdTAG: 1084504 UserNameTAG: dennisrebondan CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T09:40:26Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:13:16Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Dennis! I'm April from Austin, Texas, I'm pleased to meet you! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T00:58:44Z IndexTAG: 748 TitleTAG: marhaba hallo and good morning to every one here i'm mohammed hassaine from algeria (north africa) UserIdTAG: 1139438 UserNameTAG: akkaditum CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T08:59:56Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: hi! mohammed hassaine and to all of you guys, i'm _dennisrebondan from Philippines. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1084504 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dennisrebondan FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T09:25:53Z SecondChildTAG: My name is Angel from the Philippines as well. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1091439 SecondChildUserNameTAG: shadowalker SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T10:27:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, How are you? This is Jack from RWANDA. Wishing you a good day. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 960963 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Twahirwa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T10:34:45Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you very much am Salish from Sudan. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1240227 SecondChildUserNameTAG: salihsalih SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:10:55Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:13:10Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Mohammed, Angel, & Jack! I'm so glad you're all with us on this journey! Its exciting! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T01:00:52Z IndexTAG: 749 TitleTAG: Hello from Kenya Am glad to be among you guys. UserIdTAG: 618469 UserNameTAG: stivmaish CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T08:38:17Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:12:56Z FirstChildTAG: stivmaish - I too am glad you're among us. <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T01:01:49Z IndexTAG: 750 TitleTAG: Нello from Russia! Hi, I am Ruslan, from Russia, and I am very glad to be here. Greetings to all! Приветствую своих соотечественников, решивших принять участие в этом курсе. Моя любовь к мифам и мудрости греческих философов, привели меня сюда. Однажды поняв, что мифы не являются всего лишь причудливой фантазией наших далеких предков, занялся изучением их связи с мистическими учениями и это дало неожиданный результат. Надеюсь мое слабое владение английским не помешает мне узнать нечто новое, и познакомиться с интересными людьми. UserIdTAG: 972496 UserNameTAG: ABARIS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T08:37:48Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: konechno,ne pomeshaet! tut vse budut drug drugu pomogat'! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 909575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: allasobirova FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T11:50:12Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:12:50Z FirstChildTAG: Рада присоединиться! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1139220 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Elen-ka FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T14:39:07Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Austin, Texas, Ruslan! I'm also very glad you're here! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T01:04:45Z FirstChildTAG: Привет! Рада увидеть здесь соотечественников) Я здесь первый раз и тоже выбрала этот курс,надеюсь все будет хорошо) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1342395 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DariaMaleva FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T18:58:45Z FirstChildTAG: [Русскоязычная группа][1] [1]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/51405404a0e1ab1f0000026f FirstChildUserIdTAG: 365767 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rutreider FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T10:48:15Z IndexTAG: 751 TitleTAG: Hello I'm coordinator at Institute for Professional Learning and I teach classical drama and Linguistics. I'm looking forward to enhance my knowledge in a totally new way.... Ikram Ullah Janjua, Institute Coordinator, Institute for Professional Learning, Lahore, Pakistan. UserIdTAG: 1192257 UserNameTAG: Ikram83 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T08:19:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T13:12:41Z IndexTAG: 752 TitleTAG: Hello, from Saskatchewan Greetings all from snowy Saskatchewan. UserIdTAG: 1048535 UserNameTAG: aicila CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T05:01:09Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:27:12Z FirstChildTAG: hello nagarjuna form india FirstChildUserIdTAG: 916458 FirstChildUserNameTAG: arjuna0319 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:59:11Z IndexTAG: 753 TitleTAG: Hello all, from Lost Wages Nevada. Hello everyone, really happy to be taking this class; it has been 20 years since I graduated from university. Looking forward to some fun. UserIdTAG: 1232884 UserNameTAG: Joester CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T04:37:35Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:27:23Z SecondChildTAG: Found the link, Joester. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T18:59:57Z IndexTAG: 754 TitleTAG: Hello from México! With high hopes UserIdTAG: 1021725 UserNameTAG: edulalo10 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T04:20:03Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:27:28Z IndexTAG: 755 TitleTAG: Lt Emmanuel Onyeachonam Am excited to be offered a space in this course, poverty indeed is a monster that has ravaged my country - Nigeria and indeed Africa as a continent, I believe with courses like this, new leaders and competences can be developed to meet with these challenges. UserIdTAG: 1117332 UserNameTAG: Dozieachonam CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T03:41:35Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:27:34Z SecondChildTAG: it is a grat idea SecondChildUserIdTAG: 262027 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Hamid-Rasool SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:33:11Z FirstChildTAG: Lt Emmanuel Onyeachonam are you taking up "The Challenges of Global Poverty"? if that so, were classmate already. _dennisrebondan FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1084504 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dennisrebondan FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T09:52:39Z IndexTAG: 756 TitleTAG: Eh up, from Yorkshire Hi, I'm Ian, a Yorkshireman, living in New Jersey in the USA, and adopted by the Kamba tribe of Kenya :-) UserIdTAG: 312547 UserNameTAG: ipj1965 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T03:28:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:27:45Z IndexTAG: 757 TitleTAG: Hello from Michigan Hello from Michigan. I can't wait to get started. I'm so excited. Stephanie UserIdTAG: 934298 UserNameTAG: stephanierswanson CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T02:59:36Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:27:50Z FirstChildTAG: I hope it would be a nice experience FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1192257 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ikram83 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T08:20:32Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Stephanie! What part of Michigan? I'm originally from Detroit. I'm glad you found your way here! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T01:24:20Z IndexTAG: 758 TitleTAG: Hello from India Very excited to be a part of this course. Rachna Shetty UserIdTAG: 897601 UserNameTAG: RachnaS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T02:36:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Waiting for the course to start excited about the content. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 682539 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gopal333 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T02:46:59Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:28:00Z IndexTAG: 759 TitleTAG: Hello, from Santiago de Chile. A great opportunity to access to this interesting course. Recently I've finished a Migister in Political Philosophy at Universidad de Santiago de Chile. USACH. The thesis "Social conflict and political change in Aristotle. UserIdTAG: 1175164 UserNameTAG: USF CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T01:26:14Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:28:05Z IndexTAG: 760 TitleTAG: Hello from Poughquag, New York Looking forward to this new experience! UserIdTAG: 1079022 UserNameTAG: pawendling CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:20:40Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I am excited and looking forward to a new learning experience. Odetta from Washington, DC FirstChildUserIdTAG: 869955 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Odetta1961 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:39:43Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:28:12Z IndexTAG: 761 TitleTAG: Hello from Nova Scotia Can't wait to get started! UserIdTAG: 894216 UserNameTAG: Robina CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:02:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:28:17Z IndexTAG: 762 TitleTAG: Hi from Sydney, Australia Just a shout out to say hi to anyone from Aus, and more importantly to everyone in the course! UserIdTAG: 1192355 UserNameTAG: AngusBlackmore CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T23:45:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi! We're in Manly. I'm taking the course with my 10 year old son! Amy FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1232187 FirstChildUserNameTAG: agannon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:02:11Z SecondChildTAG: I am also from Sydney! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1168208 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Waldactyl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:08:57Z FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:28:25Z FirstChildTAG: I am here from Revesby in Sydney. Nice to meet you. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168208 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Waldactyl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:11:35Z IndexTAG: 763 TitleTAG: hello from Newburyport,MA Hi. My name is Pat and I, too, am excited about taking this course. UserIdTAG: 1095291 UserNameTAG: Pat1929 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T23:11:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:28:30Z IndexTAG: 764 TitleTAG: Greetings from Boston! I am excited for this opportunity and look forward to some great discussions! Anthony UserIdTAG: 665756 UserNameTAG: arusso1217 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T23:02:01Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:28:35Z FirstChildTAG: Another Bostonian - yeah! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1164328 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JER765 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:13:09Z IndexTAG: 765 TitleTAG: Greetings from Pennsylvania I am very excited about this course I love ancient civilizations. UserIdTAG: 779586 UserNameTAG: tinamarie64 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T22:33:57Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I've taken the liberty of starting a Google+ community for the group and it would great for people to take a look and join if you want. It's got stuff like 'hangouts' where people can get together to share stuff in a live setting etc. This link might take you there - https://plus.google.com/communities/110965042286932197791?hl=en - if not just go to Google+, communities, edX CB22x. Look forward to seeing you all there. Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:29:16Z IndexTAG: 766 TitleTAG: Greetings from France I am excited about the course and hope to get the best from it !!! UserIdTAG: 913956 UserNameTAG: Genny CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T22:21:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Bonjour! (That is about the extent of my French...but welcome!) where in France? My favorite bookstore that I have yet to visit is in Paris! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1222095 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SamanthaEve FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:34:12Z SecondChildTAG: I actually live in the northern suburb of Paris. what is the name of your bookstore ? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 913956 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Genny SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T23:09:42Z IndexTAG: 767 TitleTAG: Hello everybody from Italy Aeneas passed near my house in the South of Italy a few years ago! We just need another hero! UserIdTAG: 1143250 UserNameTAG: Leogius CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T22:04:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 768 TitleTAG: Hello from Detroit! Thank you Professor, your staff, and edX for presenting this opportunity! UserIdTAG: 1181964 UserNameTAG: dooodah CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:51:20Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: And I am going to try reading like a goldsmith! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1181964 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dooodah FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:51:48Z FirstChildTAG: Hello classfolk, I'm from Detroit, and what an exciting opportunity it is for me to be a part of a world-wide course with all of you. I'm looking forward to the diverse shares of thoughts and ideas. Wow! Birdymcgraw FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1033422 FirstChildUserNameTAG: birdymcgraw FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:12:17Z IndexTAG: 769 TitleTAG: Costa rica! Hello! Eager to learn from the professors and fellow students! Come to Costa Rica, land of the free and the happiest nation on earth! UserIdTAG: 984170 UserNameTAG: Ximenapastor CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:42:11Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Me alegra haber encontrado a alguien mas de América Central, Soy Estefania y soy de Guatemala!! =) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1104996 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Tefis555 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T05:08:03Z SecondChildTAG: Hola! Que tal va el curso! Yo bien... Me equivoque en 2, una y una por no saber cm era el formato... Espero en el prox test hacerlo sin confusion! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 984170 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Ximenapastor SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-19T21:26:52Z IndexTAG: 770 TitleTAG: Greetings from France Hello everyone, I study physics in the university of Lyon, and although it is not related I am looking forward to learning about these inspiring greek heroes. UserIdTAG: 605005 UserNameTAG: Morandy CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:37:11Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hi all. I live in Peru. I studied animal science... but I think that humans can not only be the development of a science but a compendium of questions, concerns and interests... Well here we are, I very excited to start. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1173686 FirstChildUserNameTAG: UrsulaAlva FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:09:06Z IndexTAG: 771 TitleTAG: Hello from California! Excited to be here and ready to learn! UserIdTAG: 166922 UserNameTAG: crzy2blisa CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:31:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi, I'm in Berkeley! Where are you? Tristan FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896974 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:20:59Z SecondChildTAG: I used to be in UCB, grew up in LA, moved to Athens, now in London. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1144118 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ArtemisiaGentileschi0 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T17:32:47Z IndexTAG: 772 TitleTAG: Hello from Puerto Vallarta, México Hi, everybody! I'm very glad to meet all of you this first time on the post. I guess that we are going to have a wonderful time togheter and to learn a lot about the important concept of the Hero, a model wich was central for guiding the behaviour of many generations. My special thanks to Professor Nagy for his time and dedication. His "Advice" is very clear. Thanks also to his assistant team. Nazareo. UserIdTAG: 1027226 UserNameTAG: Nazareo CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:29:05Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Dear Nazareo, Thank you for your kind message! Professor Nagy is so honored to share this reading experience with you and with this community of enthusiastic learners from around the world!! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T15:19:52Z IndexTAG: 773 TitleTAG: Hello from Rescue, VA Looking forward to starting the course soon! UserIdTAG: 124784 UserNameTAG: jpmccain CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:11:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome from June in Australia! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:19:08Z IndexTAG: 774 TitleTAG: Hello from Mexico Hello, everyone. Already looking forward to starting the course! Rosalia UserIdTAG: 1178423 UserNameTAG: rosaliamex CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:10:07Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Another hello from Mexico, looking forward to the course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 917257 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ddgrip FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:20:08Z IndexTAG: 775 TitleTAG: Hello from Ireland Hi living in Ireland and looking forward to this course starting. UserIdTAG: 163572 UserNameTAG: JayWarner CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:07:14Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: The beautiful Ireland. I hope to visit in 2014. Smiles from Australia . . . FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:18:47Z IndexTAG: 776 TitleTAG: Hello from Langley, B.C. Looking forward to discussing Greek Heros with you all UserIdTAG: 1098398 UserNameTAG: Susanmj CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:07:11Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I'm in Vancouver. Nice to see a fellow British Columbian! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 992689 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jordanws FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T11:23:46Z IndexTAG: 777 TitleTAG: Hello from the UK! Hi everyone! My name is Lisa and really looking forward to doing this course. Bit apprehensive - haven't had to 'think' for a while - but excited nonetheless! UserIdTAG: 163892 UserNameTAG: Pea CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:02:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Pea, I am so glad that you enrolled! You aren't the only one who is apprehensive. Check out the message that Lenny Muellner, the Chair of our Board of Readers, just posted to the "Kinda Scared" thread. We are cheering you on! -Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T18:26:01Z IndexTAG: 778 TitleTAG: Hello from Kharkiv, Ukraine Interesting, i am the only one from Ukraine or not? Maybe Russian? UserIdTAG: 145957 UserNameTAG: igolybev CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T20:37:33Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: I'm Russian. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 909575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: allasobirova FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T03:11:22Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Igolybev. I've seen a couple of other students from Ukraine. If you search all forums for 'Ukraine' you will find them. _rob_ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 902982 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ferthalangur FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T15:35:29Z SecondChildTAG: thank SecondChildUserIdTAG: 145957 SecondChildUserNameTAG: igolybev SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T09:05:34Z FirstChildTAG: Actually I am Spanish, but I know Kharkov pretty well. I love that city! Do you know that there are 3 jewels of Russian Constructivism that we study at the Architecture School here in Madrid? Gosprom, Post Office (the one at the vokzal) and the Circus. I love Kharkov, please, give all the city my best greetings! My favorite city in the whole world! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 245066 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Shakesapple FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T12:11:48Z IndexTAG: 779 TitleTAG: hello from yuma arizona soon to be havelock north carolina Hi my name is Damien i am a United States Marine and during this class i will be moving duty stations from az to nc but i will try and keep up with discussions and lessons nice to meet you all UserIdTAG: 1214721 UserNameTAG: damienhusted CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T20:33:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello, Damien. I'm in Las Vegas, NV and have family in AZ. Have safe travels and thank you for your service! Nadine FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:53:18Z IndexTAG: 780 TitleTAG: Friend of Aristotle in cape town :) Greetings from Sunny Cape Town, May we travel well together :) UserIdTAG: 879759 UserNameTAG: FOA CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T20:21:55Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hi, nice to see a fellow capetonian doing this course :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 38879 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Premji FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T20:04:36Z IndexTAG: 781 TitleTAG: HI FROM SPAIN! I´m glad for joining this course! Nice to meet you everybody! UserIdTAG: 350944 UserNameTAG: juancho78 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T20:11:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 782 TitleTAG: Hello from Brazil! Hello guys, I'm brazilian and I'm so excited to start this course! UserIdTAG: 1132310 UserNameTAG: arianevicente CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:56:55Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: One more from Brazil, here. Best wishes to all. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 983580 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LailsonHolanda FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:50:51Z FirstChildTAG: Oh, I'm from Brazil too! I think the course will be amazing! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 963397 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Fegatto FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:21:47Z SecondChildTAG: Hey there! Greetings from Rio! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1097922 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BRonka SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T02:11:26Z FirstChildTAG: I'm also from Brazil. Salvador/BA here. :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240675 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HaggenKennedy FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:21:13Z FirstChildTAG: São Paulo here \o FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1022108 FirstChildUserNameTAG: sortdrame FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T12:31:05Z IndexTAG: 783 TitleTAG: Hi everyone! Greetings from Serbia (Europe)! UserIdTAG: 1194201 UserNameTAG: Petyr CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:52:32Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 784 TitleTAG: A General Hello and welcome to everyone. I'm in rural Maine and still shoveling out after our last big storm. 24" of the white stuff. I figure I'll have lots of time to read the delicious works of the ancient Greeks while nibbling on olives and watching the snow melt. UserIdTAG: 1229802 UserNameTAG: BSaxon CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:44:52Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 785 TitleTAG: A shoutout from Ontario,Canada Hey,everyone.I am so excited about being enrolled in this course.I am looking forward to learning more about those badass ancient Greek Heroes.I am wondering what my cohort group's name is. UserIdTAG: 1174835 UserNameTAG: EllaChan CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:12:00Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: That's something I would like to know also. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:55:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hi EllaChan and NaeNae! Students haven't been assigned to cohorts yet. Stay tuned for more about that soon. And thanks for enrolling! -Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T18:28:11Z IndexTAG: 786 TitleTAG: HUGE Greetings.Iam Masar from tripoli Heeeeeeeeeeeeeey to all the students here...looking for this class with u...;) UserIdTAG: 1191023 UserNameTAG: masar CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:00:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Masar :)! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 957972 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lluvia79 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:29:20Z SecondChildTAG: hello from Greece I am GREEK HERO SecondChildUserIdTAG: 51769 SecondChildUserNameTAG: eftichiak SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T20:11:36Z SecondChildTAG: hey ;) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1191023 SecondChildUserNameTAG: masar SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-24T17:41:56Z IndexTAG: 787 TitleTAG: Hello from Valpolicella in Italy I think this is an amazing opportunity, thanks to all concerned for making it possible. UserIdTAG: 1138182 UserNameTAG: annemp CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:23:20Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 788 TitleTAG: Hello from snowy Northern Wisconsin I'm looking forward to the class...I've been a fan of of Greek literature and the Odyssey in particular ever since I was a child and I read a kid-friendly ("Wishbone") version of the Odyssey. I'm hoping to increase my knowledge of the subject and swap ideas with others. And above all, I hope we have a fun time doing it! UserIdTAG: 1208469 UserNameTAG: Producer CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:17:29Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 789 TitleTAG: hello Hello everyone. I live in Taiwan. I major in Chinese Literature. UserIdTAG: 1228707 UserNameTAG: DebbyLin CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:09:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi, I'm an engineering student from mainland China. But I love literature! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1082835 FirstChildUserNameTAG: wjruoxue FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-06T01:50:48Z IndexTAG: 790 TitleTAG: Hello from Portugal. Greetings from Portugal. I am really excited to take this course. The "Hero" concept is a fascinating subject. I think it will be extremely interesting to compare the definition of an ancient hero and what was expected of him, with a contemporary vision. Hope we all have a good time. Can't wait to start. Tiago Tavares UserIdTAG: 489303 UserNameTAG: TiagoTavares CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:06:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Yes I agree with you. I mean, nowadays we may recover the ancient subject of the greek hero according to our societies. We must! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 350944 FirstChildUserNameTAG: juancho78 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T20:16:41Z IndexTAG: 791 TitleTAG: hello from connecticut i love greek mythology an i am excite to tke this class UserIdTAG: 644959 UserNameTAG: michellearmstead89 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:49:35Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 792 TitleTAG: Hello from Kansas! I'm excited to join this class, and see what it has to offer. Greek mythology has always been interesting to me and I can't wait to start! :) UserIdTAG: 1186982 UserNameTAG: AlexG90 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:47:24Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Where in Kansas? I lived in Wellington for awhile. Nice to meet you, Alex! Tristan FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896974 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:20:20Z IndexTAG: 793 TitleTAG: Greetings Hello from Dominicana! UserIdTAG: 776654 UserNameTAG: criscrac CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:45:18Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 794 TitleTAG: Greetings from Oxfordshire Hello everyone! I am Hermione. I have been learning Ancient Greek for 4 years and am looking immensely looking forward to this course. UserIdTAG: 1013501 UserNameTAG: MissHermione CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:44:38Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: χαιρε! I've been studying Ancient Greek for about 4 years too. Not nearly as fluent as I want to be but still learning... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1229810 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MikeNoel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:53:31Z IndexTAG: 795 TitleTAG: สวัสดีครับ from Thailand I'm glad to join this course. I'm interested in Ancient Greece Heroes for long time because I think they had wonderful bravery that can inspire everyone who hear theirs. I hope we'll have the best experience together. UserIdTAG: 1094367 UserNameTAG: NKumhang CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:31:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: who are you my friend? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 961698 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Wichanchai FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T02:17:49Z IndexTAG: 796 TitleTAG: Hi Hi UserIdTAG: 1204520 UserNameTAG: Madguy CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:29:56Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi! Where are you from? Just curious... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1162314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmyIniguez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T05:31:37Z IndexTAG: 797 TitleTAG: Hi from Arlingon, Virginia (USA) Hi!! I come from Spain (Europe).. but now I´m in Virginia USA. I´m soo happy to be able to make this "Harvard´s course"!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! UserIdTAG: 987463 UserNameTAG: inesvelez CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:27:15Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: It's so great! Smiles . . . FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:17:57Z IndexTAG: 798 TitleTAG: Cherishing the Dionysian from west michigan Hope to enjoy this not so classic online experience in learning about classic Greek and share it with a world community. UserIdTAG: 959179 UserNameTAG: neohobbes CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:18:28Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 799 TitleTAG: Hi from Massachusetts Hi everyone! I live in North Central Massachusetts. I am also very excited to participate in this course. My initial interest is due to the fact that my children are studying "The Odyssey" in their Freshman year of high school and I am not really able to help them! I also have always wanted to take courses 'just because' I wanted to and not because I 'had' to! And as someone else posted, I always wanted to go to Harvard! Thank you so much for the opportunity! UserIdTAG: 1068280 UserNameTAG: mawd2002 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:51:35Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Welcome and Hello, My name is Brian, and I am from Boston Massachusetts. Nice to see someone from the home state. I always wanted to go to Harvard too! FYI There is a facebook group for this class. The link is posted here some place. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1126620 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Brian1128 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:00:08Z FirstChildTAG: Yes I also wanted to go to Harvard. A bit nerve racking but excited. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1101102 FirstChildUserNameTAG: valwech FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:26:45Z FirstChildTAG: Speaking as a high school English teacher, I love that you are interested in discussing the books with your children! You might be amazed at how many teens truly like talking with their parents about the books the read in school. (Sometimes they forget to tell their parents how much they enjoy it, but I often hear comments from the students about how they discussed some detail with their mom or dad...) Welcome to this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1222095 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SamanthaEve FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:50:36Z SecondChildTAG: Hi SamanthaEve, thanks for the support as an English teacher. I found that as freshman, my children had issues with reading "The Odyssey" as they were expected to read it, take notes and then test on it without class discussion. They could use the notes during the testing, but I felt they really did not get much out of the reading without some teacher guidance. This was their first 'heavy' reading as students. I hope I can gain some insights through the class to initiate further interest and excite my children for future literature! (that is if I can manage the intensity myself! It's been many a year since I have been in school!) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1068280 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mawd2002 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T14:57:00Z SecondChildTAG: I have complete faith that you can do this class! I am sorry your children had that experience...so frustrating! While I can't promise that every child loves every book, I try to provide tons of support as we read...from class discussions, creative writings, visual aids, encouragement in the use of audio books, making resources available to parents and students on my class website (that I set up on my own), to even reading in class or having a good old fashion story time! I try to provide as much interaction and support as possible... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222095 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SamanthaEve SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T03:58:01Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Samantha Eve, I just found your response to my second post. There are so many posts here it is hard to track everything! Thanks for the supportive words. You sound like my kind of teacher! Your students are lucky to have you. Good luck! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1068280 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mawd2002 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T15:53:12Z IndexTAG: 800 TitleTAG: Greeting From Pakistan Very excited to be a part of global class consisting of wonderful diversity of language culture and race but with unification of purpose and aim.Well done Edx. UserIdTAG: 71850 UserNameTAG: bhinder CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:46:36Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 801 TitleTAG: Hallo from South Africa Hallo there! My name is Dibi and I am a prosecutor from South Africa. I can not wait for this course to start. I have also entered a course in Justice, but I am doing the Greek Hero course purely for my own enjoyment. Hopefully in time I will be able to visit all the places we will learn about(Hades/Olympus hopefully not soon). That will be awesome! UserIdTAG: 1008452 UserNameTAG: Dibi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:43:01Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hallo, Dibi! I'm Iara, from Brazil and I'm enroled in Justice course as well! Going to Olympus now wouldn't be such a bad idea! :) Hades can wait, though. See you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 971010 FirstChildUserNameTAG: IaraLages FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:14:03Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Lara! Nice to know that there is somebody with the same courses than me!Are you a practising lawyer by any chance? I share your opinion regarding Olympus,although I understand that its inhabitants are on the treacherous side...:)!With the state of the current economy I am afraid I won't be able to afford the ferryman crossing the Styx to Hades anyway...!!!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1008452 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Dibi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T16:22:53Z SecondChildTAG: Well, Dibi! Don't worry, I can lend you some coins! :) I've graduated in Law School (but it's been ages!) and work currently as civil servant to The Federal Court in my State. Best wishes, Iara. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 971010 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IaraLages SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:45:52Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Lara Appreciate the offer...maybe I'll take you up on it in another sixty years or so! What do do you do at Court? Do you do criminal or civil work? I have also graduated ages ago(not long after the telephone was invented...) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1008452 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Dibi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-21T15:28:15Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, again! I'd say I'm a Hermes... I don't know to translate exactly the name of my job here. In Portuguese, we're called "Justice Officers". I'm directly subordinated to the judges of my Court and make their sentences and decisions to be executed - I think I could say I'm the "practical side" of law. Some of my duties are similar those of a Bailiff, but the functions are not the same. And I assure you I'm not at all like those angry guys we see in movies!!. Mostly I do civil work. In order to get the job, one has to be graduated in Law and pass a public examination. By the way, here in Brazil public jobs require an examination - even judges and prosecutors must do it. How is the access to public careers in your country? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 971010 SecondChildUserNameTAG: IaraLages SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T20:01:08Z IndexTAG: 802 TitleTAG: ~ Hello from India ! ~ Looking forward to learning about the concept of hero cults and greek literature. Fellow Indians comment ! Looks like the whole world is part of this amazing course thanks to edX ! UserIdTAG: 1003517 UserNameTAG: prateekmehta CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:32:26Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello, really excited to be part of this course. Hope to have a great edx experience. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 287811 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LoNa FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:05:29Z SecondChildTAG: Hi from Argentina! I am looking forward to starting the course. Let's have a great edx experience! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 462642 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ANDYFLOG SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:37:43Z IndexTAG: 803 TitleTAG: Hello from Illinois Hello from Illinois! UserIdTAG: 905366 UserNameTAG: Kris-W CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:14:48Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 804 TitleTAG: Hello from North Carolina Ready to get started. UserIdTAG: 949334 UserNameTAG: RebeccaS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:04:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Keep it up! Smiles and welcome! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:17:08Z IndexTAG: 805 TitleTAG: Howdy from Austin My name is Chad Stanton. Hope to get a lot from the course. UserIdTAG: 1107671 UserNameTAG: chadstanton CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:59:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hey Chad! SW ATX here ;) What's shakin', darlin'? <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T20:42:18Z IndexTAG: 806 TitleTAG: Hi from NJ- Hi, my name is Jenn and words can not explain how excited I am about the edx program and this class. I am taking the Introduction to Chemistry class to better understand the technology at my job, but I am taking the Greek Hero class for myself. It also amazes me how this program can bring together so many people from all parts of the world. UserIdTAG: 1151121 UserNameTAG: mjwhelan CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:47:58Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello All! This is Isil, 37, from Istanbul Turkey. I am a computer scientist and currently working as a software solution architect. I am looking forward for the classes to start.. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1059962 FirstChildUserNameTAG: isildemir FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:24:40Z IndexTAG: 807 TitleTAG: Greetings, from New York Hello everyone! I was so excited to learn of this course offering. I have studied Greek Mythology for years, for personal enjoyment, and am hoping to expand my knowledge of these epic stories. Good luck to all! UserIdTAG: 1229160 UserNameTAG: shurwitch CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:37:22Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello fellow New Yorker. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 869468 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CFArnold FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:54:35Z IndexTAG: 808 TitleTAG: Hello from Kenya Looking forward to (re)learning, and sharing our classical heritage UserIdTAG: 937488 UserNameTAG: jmlafrica CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:19:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: It is so wonderful to find people from all over the world here! I am very excited for this opportunity as well. Best of luck to you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1107715 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RachelDzen FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:37:37Z IndexTAG: 809 TitleTAG: Gerttings from Quito, Ecuador Hi to everyone, it'a amazing to see that people from different countries and cultures are interested in this course. I really love reading about epic stories and mithology so I am lookink forward to star this experience. I hope to improve my understandig of this amazing culture. UserIdTAG: 1208044 UserNameTAG: Carito26 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:45:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello there. Indeed people from all over the globe have shown interest which is a good thing. Apart from learnig about the concept of "heroe" as understood in Ancient Greece through its written sources, we will have the opportunity to meet people from different cultures, and this is trully wonderfull. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1226701 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dimitragoula FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:39:54Z IndexTAG: 810 TitleTAG: Hello! A personal dream, to read and understand the nature of the great works of Homer. This course is where I begin. Thank you all for the opportunity. UserIdTAG: 955799 UserNameTAG: spacecalculus CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:26:52Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I don't know where to find the h24h to download the ebook. do you know anybody how to get it? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1041549 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CorihKim7 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:56:46Z SecondChildTAG: I think it is not available yet :( SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1133875 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Libelula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:32:24Z SecondChildTAG: I believe it will be posted when the course starts. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 983580 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LailsonHolanda SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T13:43:57Z IndexTAG: 811 TitleTAG: hello from calabar, nigeria. just love edx UserIdTAG: 452211 UserNameTAG: ugar CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:26:45Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 812 TitleTAG: Hello from Canada I'm impressed with how far reaching this course is! I live in Ontario, Canada. This is the first course I've taken since university over twenty years ago. Scary but in a good way. UserIdTAG: 1048094 UserNameTAG: lindsaywriter CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:22:56Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello from a fellow Ontarian. I am amazed at the global reach of this course and look forward to sharing with students from around the world. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1095005 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Peregrina FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:47:29Z FirstChildTAG: Also in Ontario -- Thunder Bay. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1198722 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SaraJanes FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T21:13:20Z IndexTAG: 813 TitleTAG: If I click on a post with a long string of comments, I get this message If I click on a post with a long string of comments, I get this message [1] -- I wonder if I'm missing anything. [1]: https://edxuploads.s3.amazonaws.com/13609379071343607.gif UserIdTAG: 972803 UserNameTAG: pathos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:20:05Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi pathos, does this happen with all of the posts with a long comment thread? For instance, if you sort by comments, can you open and read the Welcome message by Prof. Nagy? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:26:43Z SecondChildTAG: That's the one that pops the message... the others seem fine. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 972803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pathos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:42:08Z FirstChildTAG: For me (Chrome, Vodafone HSPA / HSUPA mobile connection, netbook) it is only slow, but after 2 minutes it pops up all the comments. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T06:06:39Z IndexTAG: 814 TitleTAG: There really ought to be a "follow" for posts you made in reply to others There really ought to be a "follow" for posts you made in reply to others.. it's hard to keep track of them otherwise. UserIdTAG: 972803 UserNameTAG: pathos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:51:18Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: there is follow option on the top right corner of thread. You can click in the star shape. After clicking it turns blue and the thread is followed. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 964828 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nphuyal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:53:39Z SecondChildTAG: Oh hey, I never noticed that, thanks :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 972803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pathos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:05:18Z SecondChildTAG: Hello! i am so exciting of this class to learn the Greek Mythology. I will follow up! i am living in Virgina, the United States of America. nice to meet you all! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1041549 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CorihKim7 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:16:36Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks, nphuyal. I hadn't noticed that either. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T22:14:20Z FirstChildTAG: You may click on your name in this post and get all the threads you commented. But the View thread option seems to be broken, so you have to look for the name of the thread in the left panel. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:08:32Z SecondChildTAG: It seems to work for me.. but I get a weird message if there are too many comments in a post :P SecondChildUserIdTAG: 972803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pathos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:42:14Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks, Justagirl! It works for me to click on my name. This is my first class with EDX so I have a lot to learn. :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T22:15:52Z SecondChildTAG: NaeNae, try every word on the site, if it is clickable. :) And welcome to edx, please feel at home. Pathos, the browser thinks long, but after that all the comments are in their right place. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 35575 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:13:25Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks. I'll do that. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134682 SecondChildUserNameTAG: NaeNae SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T19:19:39Z SecondChildTAG: Funny mine used to work, and now it's broken again. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 972803 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pathos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T04:11:10Z IndexTAG: 815 TitleTAG: HELLO EVERYBODY FROM GREECE! Feeling deeply touched about the course and how interested people are all over the world to learn about ancient Greek Heroes. Feeling grateful to have the opportunity to study in Harvard. Hoping this course will give us a chance to better understand contemporary Greece and its tragedy.... UserIdTAG: 918506 UserNameTAG: Evdoxia CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:51:11Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Look forward to working with you. I'm in the UK and I suppose our commonality is Roman invasions? Best Regards Nick Garnett FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1228518 FirstChildUserNameTAG: NickGarnett FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:54:40Z IndexTAG: 816 TitleTAG: Hi Hi, I'm Eudora, from Taiwan. UserIdTAG: 483134 UserNameTAG: Eudora CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:24:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Eudora. How lovely to hear from you. Smiles from Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:16:43Z IndexTAG: 817 TitleTAG: From Montreal Hi, I am from Montreal in Quebec. I don't speak english very well but I can read easily. UserIdTAG: 1184271 UserNameTAG: DeniseCGagne CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:21:18Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 818 TitleTAG: Hello from Florence, Italy i am very happy to meet people from katmandu to boston, surely it will be a source of enrichment as personal and intellectual UserIdTAG: 954790 UserNameTAG: giovannal CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:10:51Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi, "giovannal", and greetings from Slovenia! I spent 8 months as an exchange student in Florence, and it was lovely! I miss the museums, libraries and ice-cream. ;-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 683550 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Athena125 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T22:39:55Z IndexTAG: 819 TitleTAG: HELLO Hello everybody, I am from Vietnam. I am very excited to have a chance to join this course. I am keen on the ancient Greek heroes since I was a child and I want to learn more about them UserIdTAG: 902489 UserNameTAG: trinhhathu CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:53:00Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 820 TitleTAG: Opinions about studying in general -- Cooperation or Competition? If you are in a class, do you seek to be the best student? or do you seek to help everyone? does helping everyone mean you will raise the average, which might lower your grade? What I'm asking is, is it fair to have an unfair advantage? and if you do, what do you do with it? Thanks :) UserIdTAG: 972803 UserNameTAG: pathos CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:45:33Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: noooo, cooperation is better than competition, in such type of non-formal learning FirstChildUserIdTAG: 954790 FirstChildUserNameTAG: giovannal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:14:21Z FirstChildTAG: See the specific, very strict reference and academic conduct rules in the Syllabus! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:37:25Z FirstChildTAG: As justa girl has pointed out- in advice to the students this matter is explained quote ***The only requirement is academic honesty. If you enroll in our course, we expect you to agree to the academic honesty guidelines as found on the course website. Collaboration is encouraged in our course, and if you collaborate honestly, there is nothing for you to worry about.. Our moral code is, simply, to learn together as a community.*** unquote from Advice to students. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:58:02Z FirstChildTAG: I strive to be the best student I am capable of being. Learning for the pleasure of knowledge, understanding, and consideration - in the structure of a 'course' and out - which I find difficult to achieve when the focus becomes 'winning'. <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T20:54:19Z IndexTAG: 821 TitleTAG: Hello Everyone Hello Everyone, My name is Dimitra and I live in Greece. I am excited for this opportunity to learn from a top institution and discuss ideas with people from all over the world. UserIdTAG: 1226701 UserNameTAG: dimitragoula CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:42:36Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 822 TitleTAG: Greetings from Barcelona! Hi there! Thanks for the oppurtunity of getting deeper in the riveting world of Mythology! Looking forward to starting the lessons! Albert UserIdTAG: 357189 UserNameTAG: avinyas CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:42:15Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Yo Barcelona! Wish I was there! Love from Brooklyn, NY FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T07:52:02Z IndexTAG: 823 TitleTAG: Hello from Kathmandu My greetings to all the fellow students of this course. I am from Nepal with different education background. Actually, this topic is new for me. I have few knowledge on great Greek Civilization and History but I am always curious to learn more. I am very excited to find this course in edX. I am impatiently waiting for the course to begin. Best Regards, Niranjan Phuyal UserIdTAG: 964828 UserNameTAG: nphuyal CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:11:49Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hello, i'am from florence, Italy, at the moment you are my classmate farther than I ever had... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 954790 FirstChildUserNameTAG: giovannal FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:16:30Z SecondChildTAG: Hello to my fellow seekers in Kathmandu & Florence! Best wishes from Brooklyn, NY SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T07:55:33Z IndexTAG: 824 TitleTAG: Hello Everybody!! looking froward to sharing our knowledge!!! UserIdTAG: 916921 UserNameTAG: BENFRANCE CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:51:44Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Absolutely and welcome to you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:16:16Z IndexTAG: 825 TitleTAG: Hi from Serbia!! Hi everybody!! I am so excited to learn more about Ancient Greek. This is my first online course and I am happy to meet people from all over the world. Branislava UserIdTAG: 889745 UserNameTAG: Brana82 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:43:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: One more Hello from Serbia!!! I'm looking forward to our exciting journey to the world of Ancient Greek myths and heroes:) Jovana FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1172462 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JovanaBesevic FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:53:12Z SecondChildTAG: Another hello from a South African living in Serbia. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 913026 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JulioSWood SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:51:06Z SecondChildTAG: And hello from a Belarusian living in Albania:) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 899774 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ElenaCela SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T13:53:28Z SecondChildTAG: Ćao! Another hello from Serbia (Obrenovac)... :D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1205347 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Aske117 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T01:44:47Z FirstChildTAG: Hello, in order not to spam discussion I will post here :) Another ciao from Serbia ( Belgrade ). Looking forward to this course Milan FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1177199 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MilanG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T08:55:18Z IndexTAG: 826 TitleTAG: Hala from Rabat, Morocco. My name is Markus Eisenhut. Just wanted to wish everyone all the best. M. UserIdTAG: 897266 UserNameTAG: JayTea CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:37:03Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Markus. I am from Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA. I loved Rabat when I visited it a few years ago. I traveled throughout Morocco - Rabat, Casablanca, Fez, Marrakesh, Essaouira, and a few smaller towns. It is a beautiful country! Jeanne FirstChildUserIdTAG: 890680 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jeanne_Burke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:30:33Z IndexTAG: 827 TitleTAG: Hello from Columbus, Ohio I am excited to get started with our course -- and to meet so many people from all over the world -- Janet UserIdTAG: 1181747 UserNameTAG: picohio7 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:33:11Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 828 TitleTAG: Hi from Málaga, Spain! Hello everybody! As most of you (I guess), I love Ancient Greek and all the miths and history. I visited Athens 3 years ago and I totally felt in love with. I bought a fantastic big book about Ancient Greek Hero and I'm so excited to enroll in this course. Good way to improve my english skills also. Regards from Spain, Marta UserIdTAG: 1179503 UserNameTAG: Martaclrnt CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:15:48Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 829 TitleTAG: Ebook device At the Advice section, it is said that the texts will be added as an ebook format. Do you know if that means we need an ebook device or will it be possible to read them through the usual portable computer? Thanks and greetings from Madrid, Spain. Javier R UserIdTAG: 1145164 UserNameTAG: REBOM58 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:56:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Thanks a lot FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1145164 FirstChildUserNameTAG: REBOM58 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T10:44:47Z FirstChildTAG: It will likely be PDF I think, so it should be readable on PCs and laptops and whatever else that supports it :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 972803 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pathos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:23:50Z FirstChildTAG: Well, in the other edX courses the books are available online, for the usual computer, and in some cases for Kindle. But the Kindle-readable form was readable on usual computer too at MITx 6.002 last year. I don't think the goal would be to sell more e-book readers. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:19:51Z FirstChildTAG: In the course description it says "As long as you have a Mac or PC, you'll be ready to take the course.". I'm sure you'll be able to access everything we're given. <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T20:58:44Z FirstChildTAG: Yes, you will be able to read the books on your computer. Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T19:00:17Z IndexTAG: 830 TitleTAG: Hello from Alabama Hi everyone. Here's to learning something new and meting new friends. Salut- UserIdTAG: 1083548 UserNameTAG: papatim CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:55:24Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Nice to see someone else here from Alabama. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1062319 FirstChildUserNameTAG: QuintusFabius FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:02:04Z SecondChildTAG: what part are you from? Muscle shoals here SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1083548 SecondChildUserNameTAG: papatim SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-04T23:32:41Z IndexTAG: 831 TitleTAG: Good Morning from North East Derbyshire Hi I'm Neil, a Devonian by birth, exiled (and loving it) in North Derbyshire. I have a BA in History (Modern) so am excited at the prospect of studying a much earlier period. Happy to meet up etc with fellow Brits undertaking this course. UserIdTAG: 20879 UserNameTAG: forevergreen CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:55:19Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello I'm a retired engineer with a degree in Mechanical Engineering. Looking forward to a new challenge! Read the book "The Song of Achilles" last year and was fascinated by the way fact and legend ran together FirstChildUserIdTAG: 65321 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MikeWrightACGI FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:44:41Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Mike - ACGI - so I assume you are an Imperial Alumnus right? If that is correct what years were you there? I am an ARSM (73-76), also a recently retired (female) engineer in the oil and gas industry. I am Welsh, and Welsh speaking, but live in the London area currently. I am also doing the Coursera History course currently and did their Greek and Roman Mythology course before Christmas - both excellent in quite different ways. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1287387 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Beth5706 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T11:04:18Z FirstChildTAG: Hello Neil and Mike, Interesting to see more entries from Derbyshire, though I cannot tell if both live in the county. Just read the list of readings, which seem's rather daunting, although at the moment it's difficult to tell what's needed. Have to give it the Lemon treatment I guess. Cheers John FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1115702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JohnDakin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T20:02:31Z SecondChildTAG: Yes, living here in Chesterfield, John. Where are you? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 20879 SecondChildUserNameTAG: forevergreen SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T21:16:53Z SecondChildTAG: In the deep south, a small place called Long Eaton, bordering Notts and Leics. Used to come up to Chesterfield many years ago SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1115702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JohnDakin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-03T09:47:31Z SecondChildTAG: I've finally found a way to filter the posts here and follow only relevant ones. Hence a little tardy in getting back to you. I'm sure I go through Long Eaton on the train to Nottingham SecondChildUserIdTAG: 20879 SecondChildUserNameTAG: forevergreen SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T18:58:48Z SecondChildTAG: Could you tell me how the filter works please. Keep having to search for Derbyshire to maintain contact. Thanks SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1115702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JohnDakin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T10:28:23Z SecondChildTAG: Wondering when we get the readings? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1115702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JohnDakin SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-12T10:29:28Z IndexTAG: 832 TitleTAG: Greetings from Norfolk, United Kingdom Hello everyone. I'm very much looking forward to the start of this fascinating course which looks as though it covers a good range of multi-disciplines - literature, art, philosopy, history, archaeology, etc. UserIdTAG: 394466 UserNameTAG: damocles CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:46:48Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello I'm a retired engineer with a degree in Mechanical Engineering. Looking forward to a new challenge! Read the book "The Song of Achilles" last year and was fascinated by the way fact and legend ran together. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 65321 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MikeWrightACGI FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:44:03Z IndexTAG: 833 TitleTAG: Hi from Russia! Such a pleasure to meet everybody! This is my first experience of online education, so I'll do my best! Natalia UserIdTAG: 797619 UserNameTAG: nphits CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:41:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: hi natalia :) first experience for me too, lets hope we will make it! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:08:30Z FirstChildTAG: [Русскоязычная группа][1] [1]: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum/i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/51405404a0e1ab1f0000026f FirstChildUserIdTAG: 365767 FirstChildUserNameTAG: rutreider FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-13T10:48:35Z IndexTAG: 834 TitleTAG: Greetings from London Hi everyone. UserIdTAG: 1135676 UserNameTAG: MikeyPC CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:39:48Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Istanbul.Looking forward to the course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1023229 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MKellyKuvvet FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:21:07Z IndexTAG: 835 TitleTAG: Greetings from Hong Kong Hi everyone. I'm Cassadee from Hong Kong. Can't wait to learn about the Greek heroes. UserIdTAG: 936604 UserNameTAG: cassadeemaywong CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:26:20Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 836 TitleTAG: Brasil Olá para todos. Espero que seja uma ótima experiência. UserIdTAG: 1033432 UserNameTAG: LucianoMartins CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:17:28Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 837 TitleTAG: Hi from Brazil Hello . This is an amazing experience. UserIdTAG: 1069422 UserNameTAG: RicardoGorayeb CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:10:38Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 838 TitleTAG: Hi From Tenerife Fantastic to be with all you enthusiasts. Maybe a bit of Greek mythology will help us get to grips with or times. Also I think it is a good opportunity in these moments of education cuts and ever higher fees that we can study with the best without having to get into debt! UserIdTAG: 1108656 UserNameTAG: Ralphx CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:08:47Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 839 TitleTAG: Hi! Hello everyone... from Cyprus! :-) UserIdTAG: 1169537 UserNameTAG: Stellaad CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:07:38Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi from Australia and welcome! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:15:54Z IndexTAG: 840 TitleTAG: Ciao a tutti! From Verona, Italy. UserIdTAG: 185733 UserNameTAG: ipezzei CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:06:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Ciao from Australia! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:15:22Z IndexTAG: 841 TitleTAG: a german in Colombia Hello greetings from Colombia. The beginning is half of the whole Darius P.S. the system has problems with WEBOS, I cannot post with my tablet on the board UserIdTAG: 1121624 UserNameTAG: Darius- CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:04:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Palm ? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 185733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ipezzei FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:10:00Z SecondChildTAG: No, HP Touchpad and Veer WEBOS 3.05 / 2.2 SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1121624 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Darius- SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:01:11Z IndexTAG: 842 TitleTAG: Nabil From Morocco , Africa Can u send me a Courses introduction Please ? UserIdTAG: 1217360 UserNameTAG: Nabil1234 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:02:17Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 843 TitleTAG: I'm glad to be here I'm glad to be here and I'm looking forward to begin... UserIdTAG: 990002 UserNameTAG: Renata-Salini CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:54:44Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Me too! Best wishes from Brooklyn, NY FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T07:56:48Z IndexTAG: 844 TitleTAG: Hello from South Africa Hi, I am from South Africa and looking forward to this course! UserIdTAG: 38879 UserNameTAG: Premji CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:38:03Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Ciao! From Verona - Italy FirstChildUserIdTAG: 185733 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ipezzei FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:10:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Verona :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 38879 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Premji FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:20:55Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Brazil! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 971010 FirstChildUserNameTAG: IaraLages FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T17:46:29Z IndexTAG: 845 TitleTAG: Hello from a rainy Athens today :) It really moves me to share the love and knowledge of my country's treasures with the rest of the world and thank you very much for giving us this great opportunity UserIdTAG: 1078030 UserNameTAG: Mirtozoi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:32:55Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Thank you for sharing and welcome! Smiles . . . FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:15:01Z IndexTAG: 846 TitleTAG: Hi from the UK Great to see such enthusiasm, Chris UserIdTAG: 900886 UserNameTAG: Chrisv1963 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:23:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: This all reminds me a bit of the start of scoring in the eurovision... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 912449 FirstChildUserNameTAG: iarla FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:29:58Z FirstChildTAG: yes chris, I couldn't agree more FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:42:53Z SecondChildTAG: it's Special Body SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1217360 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nabil1234 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:03:47Z IndexTAG: 847 TitleTAG: Hi everyone! My name is Katie and I am from Wellington, New Zealand. Really looking forward to this course as I studied Classics in high school and Gender Studies at university - both of these subjects link in nicely to the topic of Greek Mythology. UserIdTAG: 973805 UserNameTAG: ktdid CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:23:16Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 848 TitleTAG: Hello! Hello, I'm from Greece, Thessaloniki!!! it's really nice to be a part of this!! UserIdTAG: 1217257 UserNameTAG: Helen86 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:19:58Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: athens, patra, thessaloniki up to now :) hi there - FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:48:48Z IndexTAG: 849 TitleTAG: HELLO!!!! Hi everybody.I am Nemis Felonis, teacher in a secondary state school in Greece.I hope we will enjoy the course.We need to learn about heroes especially in our epoch. UserIdTAG: 1135146 UserNameTAG: nemfelonis CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:13:05Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 850 TitleTAG: Hello from the Philippines This is a great opportunity to meet (albeit online) fellow mythology lovers! UserIdTAG: 1162314 UserNameTAG: EmyIniguez CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:06:40Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 851 TitleTAG: Hello everyone! Hello everyone, from Italy! UserIdTAG: 856255 UserNameTAG: CinziaAraosta CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:25:53Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Ukraine is here as well! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 204291 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dr_butoros FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:12:11Z FirstChildTAG: How exciting - what fabulous company - Hello from London FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1102942 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Heaters FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:04:18Z FirstChildTAG: Another Hello from an Italian....but lost in UK! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1149234 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Witch_Hazel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:28:02Z SecondChildTAG: hello italy, ukraine, london, athens here :) it is trully very exciting SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1078030 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Mirtozoi SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:38:05Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Brazil. Let`s join together!!! ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1213783 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Chrisfontenele FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T21:52:03Z IndexTAG: 852 TitleTAG: Hello from Athens! I cannot wait...to start!!! Hello from Athens! I cannot wait...to start!!! UserIdTAG: 1071228 UserNameTAG: Eria CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:18:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 6 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Boston, Massachusetts Brian FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1126620 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Brian1128 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:00:05Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from just across the river - Cambridge! Jeanne SecondChildUserIdTAG: 890680 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Jeanne_Burke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:34:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Madrid, Spain!! Looking forward to embarking on this journey! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 190826 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pth FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:57:55Z SecondChildTAG: Hola! Que este viaje que empecemos nos lleve a Ítaca! Un abrazo Guillem SecondChildUserIdTAG: 736367 SecondChildUserNameTAG: guillemcintas SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:30:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Athens! My name is Thanasis, looking forward to this! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35695 FirstChildUserNameTAG: odintsaq FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:48:14Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Athens. Olga FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1193566 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tsiapiolgk FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:51:01Z FirstChildTAG: hello to all you from Adelaide Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:39:44Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Wellington New Zealand! Mary FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1146672 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MontanaMaryH FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:14:16Z IndexTAG: 853 TitleTAG: A Colombian in Washington DC Hello to everyone. I hope we all enjoy this course. After all these courses are deigned for that. UserIdTAG: 1098342 UserNameTAG: SergioApolinar CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:18:01Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 854 TitleTAG: Looking forward to learning more about Greek mythology! hello everyone, I am Chaitali Patil,from India.have had a deep interest in mythology,whether it be greek,egyptian or roman..Thank you EdX for giving me a chance to delve deeper into greek mythology..I am sure it is going to very interesting and fun as well! UserIdTAG: 419403 UserNameTAG: chaitalipatil CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:39:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Yes, it is a wonderful opportunity. Smiles from Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:13:43Z IndexTAG: 855 TitleTAG: Hello from Central Indiana I'm looking forward to getting started UserIdTAG: 995287 UserNameTAG: Miewsette CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:28:37Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 856 TitleTAG: Greetings! My name is Sagar, from Pennsylvania. I'm super excited to learn about the Greek hero, and I hope you are, too! :-) UserIdTAG: 1060427 UserNameTAG: sagarp1218 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:23:48Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome Sagar, I am glad you are excited and hope you are enjoying your learning. Smiles from Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:12:52Z IndexTAG: 857 TitleTAG: Hello Hello from the West Coast of North America UserIdTAG: 914923 UserNameTAG: drmoo2u CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:21:36Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I love the West Coast. I spent two months in the redwoods of Northern CA last year. When I sell my stories I will live there for longer. Smiles from Australia and welcome. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:12:08Z IndexTAG: 858 TitleTAG: Hello from Singapore Hello, I am Astaroth from Singapore, and I am currently studying Fashion Design at LASALLE College of the Arts. But, I am an extremely curious person and love to learn new stuff about everything. UserIdTAG: 92490 UserNameTAG: Jaenvin CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:18:16Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 859 TitleTAG: Hello from Lebanon Greetings from Beirut UserIdTAG: 918224 UserNameTAG: garomatic CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:05:52Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hey garomatic welcome to the class! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1094669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: away2015 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:57:59Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Garomatic, There are 23 of us from Lebanon now according to the map just posted. Perhaps we can all get together some time soon if we can work out who everybody is? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1305857 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bprescott-decie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T10:17:07Z IndexTAG: 860 TitleTAG: Hello from Pakistan NUML Hi Paksitan UserIdTAG: 933605 UserNameTAG: Mir12 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T05:58:15Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: me too FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1063371 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mfurqan65 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:49:10Z IndexTAG: 861 TitleTAG: Hello Hello from Houston, TX USA!:) UserIdTAG: 486630 UserNameTAG: pr0bsh CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T05:09:25Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi All, I'm Anisha and I'm looking forward to be part of the course and all its entirety. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1192505 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AnishaK FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T05:22:12Z IndexTAG: 862 TitleTAG: Greetings from India Hi everyone, I am Gagandeep Singh an engineering student from PEC, Chandigarh.I'm looking forward to learning a lot about Greek heroes, and discussing the course concepts with you on line. UserIdTAG: 1162567 UserNameTAG: gagan1192 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:57:00Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome Gagan. I hope you are enjoying this learning. Smiles from Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:10:04Z IndexTAG: 863 TitleTAG: Greetings from New Zealand Hello everyone! I am Tiziana from New Zealand and I am looking forward to studying with you all! UserIdTAG: 1001972 UserNameTAG: tiziana99 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:34:35Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Kia Ora Koutou - I am Ray and I too am from New Zealand. Really excited about this both for the Greek Hero content - I'm an avid reader with no background in the classics, and also for the MOOC experience. I work in tertiary education and this affords a wonderful opportunity to be inside this new mode of engagement. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 910990 FirstChildUserNameTAG: raynz FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:59:25Z SecondChildTAG: Kia Ora, I'm Lisa, originally from NZ but living in China. Is this Ray from the University of Waikato, professor of Latin? Probably just a coincidence. Anyway enjoy the course, I know I will. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1175143 SecondChildUserNameTAG: risarave SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:28:42Z SecondChildTAG: Hi all. I am also from NZ! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 973805 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ktdid SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:19:44Z SecondChildTAG: I'm Nabil From Morocco and that's great to be with you guys Peace all Mighty SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1217360 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nabil1234 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:04:58Z SecondChildTAG: Kia Ora to you all. I am very pleased to know that you are part of this exciting experience, too! I have been living on the Kapiti Coast for the last 20 years, but I am Italian and I was lucky to study the classics at high school. Happy studying! Tiziana SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1001972 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tiziana99 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:48:03Z SecondChildTAG: No, 'this Ray' is from Unitec Institute of Technology. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 910990 SecondChildUserNameTAG: raynz SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T08:18:09Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Boston, Massachusetts USA Brian FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1126620 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Brian1128 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:56:54Z IndexTAG: 864 TitleTAG: Greetings from Colombia! Hello everybody! I am Juan Carlos Gil, an Art student from Medellín, Colombia. I am so excited to startthis course! UserIdTAG: 1058861 UserNameTAG: JuanCarlosGil CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:26:17Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hola Juan Carlos Saludes de Envigado Darius FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1121624 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Darius- FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:02:21Z IndexTAG: 865 TitleTAG: Greetings from Melbourne Australia Hello fellow participants! I'm looking forward to learning a lot about Greek heroes, and discussing the course concepts with you on line. It's good to see such an international group of students. Mary UserIdTAG: 1042433 UserNameTAG: vinery CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:18:07Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Boston, Massachusetts USA This should be a great experiance. Brian FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1126620 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Brian1128 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:51:13Z SecondChildTAG: Hey Brian! I'm Alex from Melbourne, Australia. I LOVE Boston! I taught sailing at a summer camp in Connecticut a couple of years ago and had the most spectacular 24-hours with my friends running around and exploring your city. I was in the Harvard Bookstore and the President of the Dominican Republic strolled in and bought a book...surrounded by 6 security guards. Then we all had burgers at Mr Bartley's in Cambridge. Amazing. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 897688 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Alexandraroach SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T00:56:41Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from Granada, Spain I'm very happy to join people from other countries in this marvellous course! Reme FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1121495 FirstChildUserNameTAG: remeelda FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-02T13:05:48Z IndexTAG: 866 TitleTAG: Hello from DFW My name is Ernie (not Dagobert!) and I'm a sculptor from north-central Texas. On becoming a poet Carl Sandburg said, "It took me a long time to learn the American lingo." I'm looking forward to learning a little Greek lingo here with you all, and shedding some light on what was to be, what it is to be, a hero. Good luck to all. UserIdTAG: 1223722 UserNameTAG: dagobert CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:13:25Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 867 TitleTAG: Hello from Taos, New Mexico I am so looking forward to this course. What an exciting international learning community. UserIdTAG: 969797 UserNameTAG: barpau CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:13:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 868 TitleTAG: Hello from Bangkok, Thailand, Nice to meet you all friend!!!!! Hu.Hu. I am very interesting to make freindship with all student please talk to me if you have time we can go to study together thanks a lot UserIdTAG: 961698 UserNameTAG: Wichanchai CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:06:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Serbia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 235086 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jutka FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:37:36Z SecondChildTAG: you are in Serbia?? wo wow good place SecondChildUserIdTAG: 961698 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Wichanchai SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:13:46Z IndexTAG: 869 TitleTAG: Hello from Bangkok, Thailand hi everyone My name is nunu. I'm studied in junior year, College of Music, Mahidol University, Thailand. i'm a very huge mythology-aholic. greeting to all of you, and looking forward to study with you guys NuNu UserIdTAG: 1081684 UserNameTAG: Nunu456 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:03:30Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Wo Wo you are Mahidol student? so good so nice, best wishes Eddie Wichanchai FirstChildUserIdTAG: 961698 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Wichanchai FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:07:12Z SecondChildTAG: if you up date about online study I hope you let me know too Thanks a lot SecondChildUserIdTAG: 961698 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Wichanchai SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:08:27Z SecondChildTAG: I'm looking forward for march 13,eagerly. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1081684 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Nunu456 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T17:33:50Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks alot if you need me help something please call me 081-4338611 I had finished MA from Mahidol University best wishes Wichanchai SecondChildUserIdTAG: 961698 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Wichanchai SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T05:22:48Z FirstChildTAG: I Found these url's in case you interested in doing some reading ahead of the course start date. :-) Link to download both vols of the "Sourcebook": http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/texts.html Link to read online "The Best of the Achaeans": http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/nagy/BofATL/toc.html Link to download the first 8 hours of "The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours" http://chs119.chs.harvard.edu/EdRes/archive/fall2011_fas_dce/notes_fall11/NagyAncientGreekHero24Hours_first8hrs_2011-10-02.pdf The book can be pre-ordered from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/The-Ancient-Greek-Hero-Hours/dp/0674073401 Have fun! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1081684 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Nunu456 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-11T04:39:32Z IndexTAG: 870 TitleTAG: Hello from High Camp Plain, Victoria, Australia Hi there, I am looking forward to the course and meeting fellow students on-line. UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:55:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 871 TitleTAG: Greetings from Central California! A little apprehensive but looking forward non the less. I am absolutely excited about all the different parts of the world represented in the welcome forum so far. I can't wait to get started! UserIdTAG: 1210958 UserNameTAG: SWT754 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:52:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello b ack from just outside San Francisco, good luck FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1157806 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dgminer FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T23:36:21Z SecondChildTAG: Howdy from a native San Franciscan, now transplanted to Brooklyn. Miss sunsets over the Pacific! All best on this journey... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T08:00:41Z IndexTAG: 872 TitleTAG: Hello from Mexico Hello everyone I'm Jorge from Mexico, I´m a Game developer, but I am really excited about this course, hope i can keep the pace with the classes :) UserIdTAG: 322561 UserNameTAG: pedreror1 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:47:30Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: 100% Méxicans :)! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 957972 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lluvia79 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:46:41Z IndexTAG: 873 TitleTAG: Hello from India Hi Everyone, I am Saumya and I am very excited to join the course. UserIdTAG: 570560 UserNameTAG: sam0802 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:40:26Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi saumya I am also an Indian. I'm Just happy to hear a couple Indian feels same like me too. I'm just so excited and happy to join this course waiting for it to start. And at last a short Hi to you...! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 132255 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pandu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T06:01:13Z IndexTAG: 874 TitleTAG: Hello from Indonesia I am Jonathan and I am from Jakarta, Indonesia. I am indeed so excited to start studying about this, since it is related to two of my favorite subjects: literature and history. UserIdTAG: 1154586 UserNameTAG: jonhardjopranoto CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:33:17Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Joe, If you go to Bali, lets meet! Or maybe i meet you there. I'm maha, Balinese.. warm regards, m FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1181177 FirstChildUserNameTAG: mahamanuaba FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:40:21Z IndexTAG: 875 TitleTAG: Aloha from Hawaii! Hi, everyone! UserIdTAG: 938548 UserNameTAG: tstickel CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:30:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Yo from Brooklyn! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T08:01:18Z IndexTAG: 876 TitleTAG: Hello from Astana, Kazakhstan! Hi Everyone! UserIdTAG: 1092926 UserNameTAG: Anuarbek CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:21:24Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello! Here is Almaty! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 244441 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AkiraB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:56:13Z IndexTAG: 877 TitleTAG: Hi from Hong Kong I am looking forward to discussing this subject with an international group such as this. UserIdTAG: 1012556 UserNameTAG: TONY64 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:20:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello! Excited to start the course too! This is Emy from the Philippines. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1162314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmyIniguez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:08:47Z IndexTAG: 878 TitleTAG: ARIZMONTEROJAZ Nil Satis Nisi Optimum :-) UserIdTAG: 1147064 UserNameTAG: ARIZMONTEROJAZ CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:20:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 879 TitleTAG: Hello from Chicago! I cannot wait for this course to start! Glad to be here with everyone! UserIdTAG: 898999 UserNameTAG: HylaBrook22 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:14:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello, fellow Chicagoan! I'm Bob and I can't wait for this class to start too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1240847 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bobinchicago FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T15:06:22Z IndexTAG: 880 TitleTAG: hello From Nigeria Am so happy to be part of this course.looking forward with Excitement. UserIdTAG: 270421 UserNameTAG: Banji CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:12:27Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 881 TitleTAG: Hello from Brookhaven, LI, NY Greetings all. A long time admirer of the mythological traditions here, and very excited about this opportunity that has presented itself via edX. UserIdTAG: 1016607 UserNameTAG: CJ_Garcia529 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:12:07Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 882 TitleTAG: Hello from Brattleboro, Vermont I am so excited to be taking this course. I have been interested in ancient mythologies since I was a child, and the Greek heroes were always favorites of mine, because they had such human frailties alongside their heroic sides. Perseus has always been a favorite story, his struggles and his ties with the gods and the thrilling creepiness of the Medusa. I am very interested in how this course will tie these heroes into the modern idiom of pop culture and art. The cult of celebrity and the stories that we tell now on television and in film are full of echoes of the past. This will be a wonderful opportunity to investigate the topic more deeply and to discuss it with others. UserIdTAG: 914394 UserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:07:07Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 883 TitleTAG: Hello from Adelaide Australia Hello all! It is great to see participants from so many different countries. Like all of you I too am looking forward to this course. Being of Greek origin, this subject is of particular interest to me and I hope that my knowledge of Greek culture in general will prove useful in our discusssions. UserIdTAG: 896271 UserNameTAG: HelenV CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:59:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Hi all! Greetings from Thailand! I'm a writer, and I hope this course will improve my writing. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 264631 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Bailish FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:04:27Z SecondChildTAG: yes sure I am profess you SecondChildUserIdTAG: 961698 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Wichanchai SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:03:59Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from an ex-Adelaidian :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 791250 FirstChildUserNameTAG: marcusjroberts FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:40:51Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Marcus! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 896271 FirstChildUserNameTAG: HelenV FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:09:35Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from Sydney! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168208 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Waldactyl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:10:34Z IndexTAG: 884 TitleTAG: Hello from São Paulo I´m very glad to participate in this course. I wait to know to know about mythology and his heroes. Thanks a lot to Harvard University! UserIdTAG: 1190973 UserNameTAG: rosangelaap CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:42:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 885 TitleTAG: Hello from Perth, Western Australia Hi everyone, Looking forward to my first edX course and hopefully learning a little more about the Ancient Greeks. Lorraine UserIdTAG: 1014697 UserNameTAG: Kaswa CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:29:20Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 886 TitleTAG: Greetings! Hey! I'm from Indian Institute of Technology Hyderabad(IIT), India. I've always been a huge mythology addict. Though I am pursuing a technical course, I feel this would be doing what I love to do most. Greetings to one and all:) Hope we have a lot of fun taking part :) Ganesh UserIdTAG: 1118979 UserNameTAG: ganesh1312 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:18:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 887 TitleTAG: Hello Hello from Chile UserIdTAG: 199560 UserNameTAG: Cecifer CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:13:44Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 888 TitleTAG: Let's enjoy! Hello everybody from Madrid. It will be a pleasure to share this course with you all. Man is man since our number of chromosomes remains unchanged. We are the same animal as those Greeks who believed these things, who created these myths to explain how they saw the world around. And their teachings, I am sure, remain valid. I hope we will enjoy very much indeed. And warm thanks to the edX team!! UserIdTAG: 1110764 UserNameTAG: Albaena CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:09:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 889 TitleTAG: Hello from Los Angeles! glad to meet you all. looking forward to this class. UserIdTAG: 198267 UserNameTAG: cree8teevgrl CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:08:00Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello - Am LA adjacent. Hope to 'see' you all soon! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 904738 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SusanR2 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T05:08:40Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from N Cali. Just outside San Francisco FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1157806 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dgminer FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T23:37:20Z IndexTAG: 890 TitleTAG: Good evening from Los Angeles Excited and nervous to begin this course... UserIdTAG: 896252 UserNameTAG: StuartWilson CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:06:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 891 TitleTAG: Hello Hello everybody! Good evening for all! UserIdTAG: 1007535 UserNameTAG: pkathy86 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:52:52Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from Miami, Florida. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1127470 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Maurizzio1976 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:56:51Z IndexTAG: 892 TitleTAG: Hi from Montreal, Canada Looking forward to this. UserIdTAG: 1205696 UserNameTAG: mackload CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:48:45Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 893 TitleTAG: Oztralia hey. looking forward to this. UserIdTAG: 1062149 UserNameTAG: seancoady CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:47:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: logging in from canberra- really looking forward to exploring how the cult of hero (and heroine) is still relevant and how it shows itself in such pop culture as Buffy, Angel etc FirstChildUserIdTAG: 952111 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Cellis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:23:19Z IndexTAG: 894 TitleTAG: Hello Hello from San Antonio, TX UserIdTAG: 888634 UserNameTAG: drbrownbooks CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:43:16Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 895 TitleTAG: Jamaica Hi Everyone i am from the sunny island of Jamaica.Last year i took a Greek Mythology class online which wet my appetite and am ready learn more about Ancient Greek. UserIdTAG: 914632 UserNameTAG: Taska CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:43:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Greetings to all! Great to have a fellow Yardie here also. This is a first for me, so I hope to gain a greater understanding of Greek world view and philosophy. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1374902 FirstChildUserNameTAG: 1stname FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-18T20:26:10Z IndexTAG: 896 TitleTAG: Greetings from New Jersey Looking forward to some great discussions. UserIdTAG: 243644 UserNameTAG: egpowell07860 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:43:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 897 TitleTAG: Hello from Venezuela Hi! my name is Joseph Rondon and I'm from Venezuela. I feel so exciting to start this course. I hope open my mind a little more. UserIdTAG: 884349 UserNameTAG: Jorondon2 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:42:58Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 898 TitleTAG: Hello from Austin I'm happy to be a part of this. UserIdTAG: 919772 UserNameTAG: marcus_jonus CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:39:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Marcus! So glad to see fellow Austinites here. <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T22:52:27Z IndexTAG: 899 TitleTAG: Greetings from South Korea Hi, I'm Jesse from England, currently teaching English in a public elementary school in Busan, South Korea. This will be my third course (one at university in 2011, and one on Coursera last year) on Greek mythology, and I'm really looking forward to reading and engaging with Homer again, as well as all the other great material. UserIdTAG: 914916 UserNameTAG: jessegb CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:37:30Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 900 TitleTAG: hello from central nevada Ready to learn UserIdTAG: 1008569 UserNameTAG: CJLewis CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:33:57Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 901 TitleTAG: ALEJLAR from Costa Rica Hi! UserIdTAG: 985267 UserNameTAG: ALEJLAR CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:32:32Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 902 TitleTAG: Hello from Boston I'm a dancer and former undergrad Creative Writing/English major working on a piece based on a Greek myth. I just finished my Master's in occupational therapy about a year ago but I love to learn - so I'm looking forward to reading, studying, and good discussion! UserIdTAG: 1144567 UserNameTAG: TCzepiel CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:30:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi neighbor, just a couple of hours away in Brattleboro VT! Looking forward to some really fun discussions! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914394 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:11:37Z FirstChildTAG: Hello neighbors! I'm in Cambridge, just down the street from Harvard College! I'm really looking forward to this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 890680 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jeanne_Burke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:40:16Z FirstChildTAG: Hi colleagues, from Madrid, Spain. I've been working at Waltham (Lycos), near Boston, from time to time; so, your presence reminds me good times in the USA. I am sure we will need some support with translations, so be ready to help, please. It is amazing to be in contact with so many people throughout the world. I am following the referred Yale course about Greek culture and it is fascinating. I recommend it without any doubt. What do you do at Boston? Best, Javier R. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1145164 FirstChildUserNameTAG: REBOM58 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:52:09Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from Malden, MA SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1126620 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Brian1128 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T19:05:10Z IndexTAG: 903 TitleTAG: Greetings from Beantown Hello everyone, Can't wait to dive into this course. I have been fascinated with Greek mythology for quite some time, and am now in fact reading Helen of Troy by Margaret George. Very excited to be taking this course! UserIdTAG: 1159698 UserNameTAG: Leunl2 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:30:35Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 904 TitleTAG: Hello from Malaysia Nice to meet you all!!! UserIdTAG: 929170 UserNameTAG: cylim CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:29:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 905 TitleTAG: Hello from the Philippines! Hi, I am Henry from Indonesia, I've been staying in the Philippines for study and work. The course is quite new for me. So excited to be in discussions and interacting with calibered professors and friends from all around the world. UserIdTAG: 1077132 UserNameTAG: Henry27 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:23:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm from the Philippines but I'm working in the US. It's nice to know that someone from the Philippines is also taking the course. Looking forward to the lectures and discussions. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 984146 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Cherrie FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:33:59Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I'm from the Philippines too! Glad to be part of this group. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1162314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmyIniguez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T08:12:25Z IndexTAG: 906 TitleTAG: Hello from Buenos Aires Hi everyone, being a fan of James Joyce's Ulysses it only took a second to decide if I should enroll! Happy to be with you all! UserIdTAG: 1121095 UserNameTAG: Alares CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:22:00Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 907 TitleTAG: hello hello all in greek mythology ! UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:21:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 908 TitleTAG: Grettings from Chile Hi to everyone here! UserIdTAG: 83700 UserNameTAG: Nonato CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:17:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: Saludos de Chile! No soy Chilena pero ya llevo como tres años aca! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1007231 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dvenell FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:23:21Z FirstChildTAG: thanks and greetings from Concepción, Chile FirstChildUserIdTAG: 511036 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Patricio2012 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:25:26Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! I'm from Brazil! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1007535 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pkathy86 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:55:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hi. I'm Jim from the UK. My daughter has lived and loved her life in Santiago de Chile for several years. Looking forward to experiencing this course with you all. Yo vivo en Canarias. Un abrazo solidario. Jim. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1144426 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jimco44 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T02:04:15Z FirstChildTAG: Hi: I am from Madrid, Spain, but I have been working at Chile for several times during one month periods. I love Maitencillo and its fishes. Welcome and I hope we will be able to follow the rhythm of the course. Javier R FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1145164 FirstChildUserNameTAG: REBOM58 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:18:56Z IndexTAG: 909 TitleTAG: Greetings from Brazil Hello, everybody! I'm from Northeastern Brazil, looking forward to starting the course. I'm really exciting about it! Hope we can get along and help each other with the learning process! Best regards, Filipe Malafaia UserIdTAG: 891326 UserNameTAG: filipemalafaia CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:15:36Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Greetings, Filipe! Hope we have a great time here. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1097922 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BRonka FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T02:14:31Z IndexTAG: 910 TitleTAG: Hello from a desert in Cali. Hello fellow students UserIdTAG: 463800 UserNameTAG: RMichael CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:15:03Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello from tropical Philippines! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1162314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmyIniguez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T05:51:20Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from freezing Brooklyn, NY! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1037563 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Netsuke SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T08:03:33Z IndexTAG: 911 TitleTAG: Hello, from Mongolia. Nice to meet you all, I'm Suvd, a computer graphic designer, and I'm very exciting about this course, which I enrolling. My English is not too good, therefore hope you guys can help me out. Friendly Regards, UserIdTAG: 701635 UserNameTAG: Suvd CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:11:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Glad to have you in the course. Your views will add much. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895493 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Gwain FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:36:26Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, Suvd! Just send a message and I'll be glad to assist! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1162314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmyIniguez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T05:52:31Z IndexTAG: 912 TitleTAG: Hi from West Virginia, USA. So, I'm sixteen years old and getting ready to graduate high school. Though I don't know yet whether I'll continue onto college (as there are several avenues open to me here which don't cost nearly so much), I've always loved to learn and to be among others who love learning as much as I do. Greek mythology and culture has always called out to me especially, and as a child I loved to pick up books at my local library about it, and to write little stories about the Greeks. However, I've never had the opportunity to study the subject in as much depth as I've wanted; so I'm here. It's lovely to meet you all, though I must admit I'm a bit intimidated by the sheer numbers of you, especially as you all seem to be intelligent folks. UserIdTAG: 1031293 UserNameTAG: AnnaFaith CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:11:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Welcome! You'll do just fine. Looking forward to lots of good discussions! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914394 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:14:30Z FirstChildTAG: AnnaFaith, thank you for enrolling and for this lovely message! We are all cheering you on!! Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T19:29:18Z IndexTAG: 913 TitleTAG: A Big Hello from Dallas, Georgia Looking forward to working and learning with y'all. It should be fun and enlightening. UserIdTAG: 1000020 UserNameTAG: Lariat CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:08:36Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 914 TitleTAG: Hello Hi all, I am from South Florida, I have a bachelor's in History and decided to take this class to keep from feeling stagnant now that I am working on my advanced degree. This area of History has always interested me so I'm very excited about it. UserIdTAG: 316294 UserNameTAG: judybat13 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:06:36Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Recently moved from Coral Springs to Boston. Big Change!!!! Just completed my bachelor's in Psychology and Cognitive Science. Love Greek Mythology, can't wait to see how this goes :-) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1159698 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Leunl2 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:25:02Z IndexTAG: 915 TitleTAG: Heya from Jamaica. Always been interested in Greek Mythology, looking forward to this course. Good look to you all. UserIdTAG: 311395 UserNameTAG: Shervain94 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:02:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello........seems we are both from the same place :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1184718 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JayR77 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:15:58Z IndexTAG: 916 TitleTAG: Greetings from the Desert Southwest (NM, US) Hullo, to all. I'm looking forward to this course; I've been teaching online for some time and figured it was time to take a course myself. I also look forward to interacting with you all. UserIdTAG: 922804 UserNameTAG: RandyFromm52 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:01:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: I'm from NM too:) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 210609 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Offsitecoco FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:31:09Z SecondChildTAG: Whereabouts? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 922804 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RandyFromm52 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T01:08:34Z FirstChildTAG: What courses do you usually teach? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1159698 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Leunl2 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:25:39Z SecondChildTAG: I work for a small online college out of Albany, NY. It each technical topics dealing with power generation, primarily nuclear. Lately I have been teaching/mentoring final capstone courses. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 922804 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RandyFromm52 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T01:11:29Z IndexTAG: 917 TitleTAG: Hello from Colombia/ Hola desde Colombia Hi everyone, I'm happy and looking forward to starting the course UserIdTAG: 28794 UserNameTAG: asuarez CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:01:24Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hello, I'm from Colombia too. wornderful finds people from same country. Maybe will can make a study group. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1004968 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CesarIG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:05:28Z SecondChildTAG: I´m from Colombia too, sure we will make a study group, hugs! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1178975 SecondChildUserNameTAG: johanpinilla SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T20:33:43Z SecondChildTAG: It sounds excellent!!! My name is Libardo Angarita. I am from Colombia too.This is my e-mail: libardoangarita@gmail.com SecondChildUserIdTAG: 968112 SecondChildUserNameTAG: libardoangarita SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-04T02:30:02Z FirstChildTAG: I am from Colombia too. Living currently in Washington DC FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1098342 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SergioApolinar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:10:50Z FirstChildTAG: Hola Cesar Hola Sergio Saludes de Envigado Darius FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1121624 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Darius- FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:03:47Z IndexTAG: 918 TitleTAG: Hi from China Although I'm in China now, my home is in Crete, Greece. Looking forward to learning more about it's past. UserIdTAG: 560398 UserNameTAG: adamhunter CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:00:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Wow so this will probably be a breeze for you. I live in Boston Massachussetts. Learned a little about Crete while doing a bit of Greek Mythology last semester. What are you doing in China? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1159698 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Leunl2 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:27:05Z IndexTAG: 919 TitleTAG: Hello from Trinidad Hi everyone...My name is Janelle, and I just wanted to wish you all a wonderful adventure as I learn and interact with you all as we learn about the ancient Greek hero. I hope to grow in learning and may live long friends. UserIdTAG: 237155 UserNameTAG: jaytrini CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:59:43Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Janelle, A fellow Trini myself but have lived in the U.S probably longer than you have been born lol Hope you enjoy the course FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1159698 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Leunl2 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:28:04Z IndexTAG: 920 TitleTAG: Hello from NYC Hello everyone! I look forward to discussing the course material with classmates from all over the world! I am an Italian who lives in NYC. I remember being fascinated by the Greek civilization back in high school and want to be inspired all over again! Roberta UserIdTAG: 1018524 UserNameTAG: roberta273 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:58:06Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Roberta, I am in nyc as well. I have studies some of the Greek history before and look forward to learn new things. Anna FirstChildUserIdTAG: 266727 FirstChildUserNameTAG: nalnet FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:26:30Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Anna, nice meeting you too! Look forward to the course discussions! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1018524 SecondChildUserNameTAG: roberta273 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:57:40Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Roberta and Anna, I'm also from NYC. Nice to meet you both. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1383698 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AgnesStanton SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-17T00:19:19Z IndexTAG: 921 TitleTAG: México!!! Hola a todos :D // Hello Everybody :D Hola Amigos :D My name is Lluvia and I´m from México :) I´m always looking for something new to learn, and I decided to take this course because I´m Studying English at the University and I´m taking a history class, so this is an excellent complement :D UserIdTAG: 957972 UserNameTAG: Lluvia79 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:56:12Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hola, Lluvia! Bienvenidos! I grew up in Southern California, though I now live in Vermont, so my Spanish is rusty. Looking forward to great discussions! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914394 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:18:20Z SecondChildTAG: Holaaa , well that sounds great! I´m looking forward to start this course so we can practice and interchange our native languages :D Besos y abrazos desde México :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 957972 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lluvia79 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:31:58Z IndexTAG: 922 TitleTAG: HI from NC taking this class because it looked very interesting. excited for it to start UserIdTAG: 978617 UserNameTAG: tinak CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:55:00Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: HI! So nice to see another from NC :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 949334 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RebeccaS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:48:15Z IndexTAG: 923 TitleTAG: Greetings Hi, ALEJLAR from Costa Rica UserIdTAG: 985267 UserNameTAG: ALEJLAR CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:53:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 924 TitleTAG: hello from Singapore! Nice to meet you all. UserIdTAG: 8551 UserNameTAG: Yowjinn CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:53:03Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 925 TitleTAG: Hail from New England I love classical literature and art. It'll be fantastic to share these interests and passions with so many others, from so many other places. This should be great fun. UserIdTAG: 895493 UserNameTAG: Gwain CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:50:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Yay, New England! Hope you came through the snowstorm in one piece! Looking forward to some great discussions in the class. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914394 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:19:40Z IndexTAG: 926 TitleTAG: Hi from Nth Queensland Nice to meet you all :) UserIdTAG: 946638 UserNameTAG: OrchidGoth CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:40:51Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: G'day, I'm from Canberra. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1147083 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RichardLWhereat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:07:43Z IndexTAG: 927 TitleTAG: greetings from Spain This is the kind of course I was looking forward to, I´m pretty sure It´s gonna be a good experience for all of us, no matter time anyone could take. I have to say that this is my first contact with Harvard University, it´s so exciting be a student here, sharing opinions with the best professors. I also have special interest in this course because I live in a small city in Spain that has lots of ancient ruins and remains, most of them from Roman empire. UserIdTAG: 1157903 UserNameTAG: bs14sb CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:37:22Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 5 FirstChildTAG: What is the name of your small city. I recently was in Madrid, Toledo and Bilbao, all beautiful places. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895328 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LaGue FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:41:25Z FirstChildTAG: Hi. I'm from a little village near Barcelona. This will be my first course mooc in english. I'm also doing two couses in spanish through Miriadax plataform. I hope to use them well, especially in this because english is a language that I'm quite rusty. Good luck to everyone. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1197221 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TxellDominich FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:10:07Z FirstChildTAG: HI guys, LaGue I live in Merida, a small city 350 km west of Madrid (more or less) What you say TxellDominich is fine, we can get more than history of this course, we´ll improve our english surely! What are you doing? Do you work? maybe studying? See you!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1157903 FirstChildUserNameTAG: bs14sb FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T20:44:46Z FirstChildTAG: Sorry for the delay in my response. I'm having difficulty determining how the the threads are organized. I am a retired art teacher and Fine Arts Director but continue to paint and show my work. I travel a lot with my husband. I feel very inadequate when I visit the greek collections in museums or when my readings lead to references about the Greek culture and history. I want a deeper and more accessible understanding. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 895328 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LaGue FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-24T17:26:39Z FirstChildTAG: Hola! I live in Seville - another person surrounded by Roman remains. Not as many as Mérida though. It will be nice to balance them all with the Greeks! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1237109 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Athene FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-08T19:41:53Z IndexTAG: 928 TitleTAG: Greetings from Massachusetts I'm a painter of a certain age who is hoping to keep her brain working. I think Harvard and MIT have begun a marvelous, generous opportunity for the greater good here. I want to have a deeper and more accessible understanding of the Greeks in order to deepen my appreciation of sculpture, literature and theater. UserIdTAG: 895328 UserNameTAG: LaGue CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:37:03Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 929 TitleTAG: Hi From California! I'm excited about this course. I've been doing my own study of the Ancient Greeks, and I want to learn lots more. UserIdTAG: 996542 UserNameTAG: WestonBecker CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:36:48Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome Weston, Smiles from June in Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:01:08Z IndexTAG: 930 TitleTAG: Hello from Germany I am writing a historic fiction which happens to happen in 300 BC. Still searching for the thoughts and the soul of the people at that time. Where else to look? UserIdTAG: 1223129 UserNameTAG: GertD CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:34:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Where is it set? Mainland Greece? It's the time of the wars for the succession of Alexander's empire. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 FirstChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:40:32Z SecondChildTAG: Correct. You cannot avoid Pella/Aigai, Memphis and Athens of course, however, I decided to pick Corinth, which was more of a neutral but central place. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1223129 SecondChildUserNameTAG: GertD SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T18:04:57Z FirstChildTAG: Hallo Gerd na dann viel spass Darius FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1121624 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Darius- FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T11:04:36Z IndexTAG: 931 TitleTAG: Hello From The Spice Isle, Grenada ! Hello. iAm happii to be a part of this class to learn new things. I'm happii that iHave been given this wonderful opportunitii..!! Hoping to make a few friends && have a blast while learning ! UserIdTAG: 1031649 UserNameTAG: Mimz CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:31:47Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 932 TitleTAG: Hey Hey :) Hi hi :D I'm taking this class all the way in Sydney Because i thought it would be fun to learn about Ancient Greek heroes? Ps. My friend forced me to do it LOL jk UserIdTAG: 1161473 UserNameTAG: riannenovita CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:30:12Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: lol noooo i didn't notttttttt but it is gonna be fun! :D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1027103 FirstChildUserNameTAG: amonre FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:31:57Z IndexTAG: 933 TitleTAG: Hi from Maine!!! My goodness! Such a diversity of people! Really looking forward to this class! :) UserIdTAG: 766909 UserNameTAG: iHeartGlitter22 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:29:55Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 934 TitleTAG: Hi from Turkey.... What an international class!!! I'm really happy to be a part of this... All the best... Omur UserIdTAG: 1069878 UserNameTAG: omuratmaca CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:27:00Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 935 TitleTAG: Hi from Australia! Hi, I am from Brisbane in sunny Queensland! UserIdTAG: 19891 UserNameTAG: chow CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:25:45Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hey you, I'm from CQ, living in the ACT. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1147083 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RichardLWhereat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:08:06Z FirstChildTAG: Hello folks, I'm from Tamworth NSW FirstChildUserIdTAG: 932564 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TrevorHarris FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:48:04Z IndexTAG: 936 TitleTAG: Greetings From Costa Rica Really looking foward to start!! any one else from costa rica? UserIdTAG: 1022184 UserNameTAG: Paos26 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:20:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi ALEJLAR from Costa Rica, too. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 985267 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ALEJLAR FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:55:32Z FirstChildTAG: I am from Costa Rica too. My name es Guillermo González. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1254590 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Dalabulu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T15:29:48Z IndexTAG: 937 TitleTAG: Hi from New York! I'm JoAnn, a college biology professor, and I wanted to take a course in something I really didn't pay much attention to in my early years (which would be ANYTHING NOT INVOLVED IN BIOLOGY AND CHEMISTRY)...sort of an horizon-expansion! Looking forward to discussing, making new friends and learning about The Ancient Greek Hero! UserIdTAG: 882525 UserNameTAG: jgala CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:19:56Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome JoAnn, I hope you love this course. I am finding it challenging and well, wonderful! Smiles, June from Perth, Australia. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-26T12:30:59Z IndexTAG: 938 TitleTAG: Hello from Iraq Hi am jacob from iraq am 16 years old at gifted student highschool and am excited to start this course with all of you Thanks UserIdTAG: 418936 UserNameTAG: Jacob3382645 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:10:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Welcome to you, Jacob! I too am looking forward to a great class! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914394 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:22:55Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Jacob! My 15-year old son Gabriel is also in this course and he is a junior in high school. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1162314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmyIniguez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T05:56:55Z IndexTAG: 939 TitleTAG: Greetings From Jamaica Hello everyone how are you all tonight i am from Jamaica but i have always had a very deep interest in all forms of history......mainly the ancient ones....if it has something to do with one of the gods/ heroes of the olden days then i wanna learn about it UserIdTAG: 1184718 UserNameTAG: JayR77 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:07:44Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Jay and hope you enjoy this learning, Smiles from June FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:01:55Z IndexTAG: 940 TitleTAG: Greetings from Central Florida Hello Everyone and Happy Valentine's Day, I hope everyone is as excited about taking this course as I am, and look forward to many wonderful discussions with you. Pati UserIdTAG: 958085 UserNameTAG: PatiMikes CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:01:32Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome Pati, I hope you are enjoying this learning. Smiles from Australia. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:07:08Z IndexTAG: 941 TitleTAG: Hello from Edinburgh Hi guys, Just signed up, if anyone is local let me know. We can discuss over coffee! UserIdTAG: 55477 UserNameTAG: searl1 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:53:12Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Oh, I wish I was! I love Edinburgh, haven't been back for a few years, but it is one of my favorite places! Say hello to Auld Reekie for me! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914394 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:26:42Z IndexTAG: 942 TitleTAG: Greeting from Bali, the island of 1000 temples Hello all how's doing? A day after Valentine's day, hope everyone's happy.. Godspeed! m UserIdTAG: 1181177 UserNameTAG: mahamanuaba CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:52:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 943 TitleTAG: Greetings from Croatia !!! :D Hello everyone! My name is Dubravko and I live in Croatia where I'm at the graduate studies of history and pedagogy and I must say that I really love greek mythology I truly hope that we will have some great lectures ahead of us :D UserIdTAG: 1134887 UserNameTAG: Dubravko CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:41:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 957972 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lluvia79 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:47:43Z SecondChildTAG: Dobro Jutro :D !!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 957972 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lluvia79 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-14T15:54:50Z IndexTAG: 944 TitleTAG: hello from Argentina !!! :) UserIdTAG: 975096 UserNameTAG: Mariel92 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:37:44Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello! nice how a group of people are from countries who talks spanish. Yo soy de Colombia. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1004968 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CesarIG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:12:20Z IndexTAG: 945 TitleTAG: Greetings from London! Greetings from London! My name is Peter and i've worked in IT my whole career but have always had an interest in classical antiquity with special emphasis on Greek history. Some of my favourites are Herodotus (although I can't claim to have read it all!), The Odyssey and Euripides Medea. I also have a deep interest in the American civil war, the apollo program and historical computing. This looks like it's going to be a great course and I'm looking forward to the chance to participate in a product of one of the great educational institutions! Pete UserIdTAG: 1207081 UserNameTAG: pjoseph CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:35:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Well that is quite the fun mix of interests! Welcome! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1222095 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SamanthaEve FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:38:31Z FirstChildTAG: Ah, the American Civil war? I do adore that war. Have you read anything by Shelby Foote? fantastic stuff. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 925287 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zimia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:43:33Z SecondChildTAG: No I haven't! I recognize the name as Shelby Foote is in most parts of the Ken Burns 'The Civil War' documentary. I think I will add his trilogy to my wishlist :D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1207081 SecondChildUserNameTAG: pjoseph SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:19:35Z FirstChildTAG: I work at our local Historical Society here in Brattleboro VT, and we have some great stuff about the Civil War Regiments that came from here. Funnily enough, I have a great interest in the English Civil War, having taken a course in it at university and I remain fascinated. Must admit to being a Royalist and not a Roundhead sympathizer! ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 914394 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:30:20Z IndexTAG: 946 TitleTAG: Aloha from Hawaii! Aloha Everyone! Von here from Hawaii! UserIdTAG: 911447 UserNameTAG: Diyakuno CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:30:57Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Fabulous! The very place I want to move to next! Please send some warm weather up North! Welcome to the class! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1222095 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SamanthaEve FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:35:25Z SecondChildTAG: Samantha I agree, the recent blizzard that dumped more than two feet of snow in Boston is enough to cause anyone to want to run!! :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1159698 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Leunl2 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:35:42Z SecondChildTAG: Oh, yeah, poor Boston! I hope you didn't lose power for too long! We were okay up here in VT, only a foot and a half. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 914394 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Sphinxyvic SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:31:52Z SecondChildTAG: We didn't lose power but I heard more snow is coming! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222095 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SamanthaEve SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:28:59Z FirstChildTAG: Aloha, Von. Back at you from Waialae-Kahala! Tom FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1054211 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TomMitrano FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:47:48Z IndexTAG: 947 TitleTAG: Hello from Cape Town Looking forward to the new adventure UserIdTAG: 975378 UserNameTAG: Catharina CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:18:56Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hi, nice to see a fellow capetonian doing this course :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 38879 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Premji FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T20:07:25Z IndexTAG: 948 TitleTAG: Tom Hi, Y'all. I'm a retired chiropractor living in Ecuador. Looking forward to a great exchange with all of you. UserIdTAG: 912687 UserNameTAG: tompool0117 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:17:57Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 949 TitleTAG: Lets get going :) Also a hello from Scandinavia, more specific Denmark. Have been part of an Interactive Course ( Artificial Intelligence)from the University of Tokyo ages ago, the first that ever happened and am pretty excited about getting an opportunity to be on this Course. Hopefully there wont be too many typos but i cant promise, english is my 3'rd language, Danish and German lays in front. UserIdTAG: 1030443 UserNameTAG: Sternchen CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:07:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hej! I also live in DK, specifically Frederikssund but I am from Argentina. English is my 2nd language, being spanish my first with knowledge in portuguese and italian. Now I am trying to learn Danish, arrived here last year in October :) Vi ses and hope we all enjoy this course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 224386 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pollybsas FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:42:16Z FirstChildTAG: Hello! I am also from Denmark! I study at the university of Copenhagen. Good luck! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 923648 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SannieH FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T08:52:16Z IndexTAG: 950 TitleTAG: Hello from Barcelona! I'm from Barcelona and I'm really excited to begin this course! UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:03:40Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: ooooh, me too!! this course sounds smashing. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 925287 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zimia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:16:41Z FirstChildTAG: Hi! I'm from the province, live in a little village near Barcelona. This couse look interesting! Good luck to anyone! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1197221 FirstChildUserNameTAG: TxellDominich FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:13:54Z FirstChildTAG: It does sound wonderful. I just have to day hello to you two; I love Barcelona and want to come back to drank horchata (and the best sangria in the world) and see Gaudi's work, and just enjoy the lovely people. Margaret FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017741 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Margaret22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T13:13:05Z IndexTAG: 951 TitleTAG: Hey! Hello! My name is Hellen. I'm from Brazil. I'm really excited to learn more about this subject. I've been studying it informaly for some years and now we are going to do this together. I'm sure it'll be fun! UserIdTAG: 42829 UserNameTAG: Hellen CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:00:57Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hellen, junte-se a nós no grupo do Facebook em português: https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/. Abraços! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 FirstChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:04:33Z SecondChildTAG: Vou aproveitar a oportunidade. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 795034 SecondChildUserNameTAG: CristianoPassos SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:12:08Z SecondChildTAG: What's the point of having a parallel group? Wouldn't it be better not to segregate and let our other peers be a part of our discussions? Ins't this the point of taking an international online course? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1097922 SecondChildUserNameTAG: BRonka SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T02:38:05Z IndexTAG: 952 TitleTAG: HIYAA!! Hello everyone! im excited to be taking this course and i convinced a friend of mine to take it to this is going to be awesome!! UserIdTAG: 1027103 UserNameTAG: amonre CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:58:03Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Isn't it? Looking forward to it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 925287 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zimia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:17:16Z FirstChildTAG: That friend is MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1161473 FirstChildUserNameTAG: riannenovita FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:26:13Z IndexTAG: 953 TitleTAG: hey from istanbul *) UserIdTAG: 937273 UserNameTAG: Didem CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:54:28Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome Didem! Smiles from Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:05:45Z IndexTAG: 954 TitleTAG: Is this our cohort? In the email it states that we are divided into 1000 person cohorts. So I'm assuming this is our cohort? UserIdTAG: 1213179 UserNameTAG: evolute99 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:54:27Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: I didn't get this very well, either. But I suppose we'd have a hero name somewhere if this was the case. My take is that this is a general board, since there is still a month to go before we start. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 FirstChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:03:32Z FirstChildTAG: The forum of AI: https://www.edx.org/courses/BerkeleyX/CS188.1x/2012_Fall/discussion/forum This: https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CB22x/2013_Spring/discussion/forum#i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring/threads/511d6b23a92aae250000015c We have a forum number. Therefore this is the cohort forum. We just have to find out the name. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 35575 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Justagirl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:53:20Z FirstChildTAG: This is the class-wide forum. We have not yet broken students into cohorts. More very soon about that! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T14:20:17Z IndexTAG: 955 TitleTAG: greetings from florida Looking forward to my first on line class and learning together. UserIdTAG: 942028 UserNameTAG: 18knots CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:48:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: This is my first online class too! Hope we do well. Cheers! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1162314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmyIniguez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:06:33Z IndexTAG: 956 TitleTAG: With smiles Classics was my undergraduate major and I am so looking forward to taking this class for the sheer fun of it! As a teacher, I am also excited to exchange roles and get to be a student in this class! (Plus I happen to be working with excerpts from "The Odyssey" with two of my groups of students...I can't wait to share with them that I will be studying it further too!) Love seeing all the posts from around the world...I feel like a kid on my first day of school...anyone want to be friends? Lol... Good luck to all and am looking forward to our discussions! UserIdTAG: 1222095 UserNameTAG: SamanthaEve CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:48:17Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: I desire you in friendship, and I will one way or other make you my friend. I adored the Odyssey. My brother convinced me to read it. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 925287 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Zimia FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:20:50Z SecondChildTAG: Awesome! My first friend in this course. So glad you adored the Odyssey... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222095 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SamanthaEve SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:33:06Z FirstChildTAG: Another big Odyssey fan here! Hope we all have fun. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1208469 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Producer FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T23:13:14Z SecondChildTAG: Fabulous! I am sure we will have a blast talking! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222095 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SamanthaEve SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T03:52:04Z FirstChildTAG: SamanthaEve, thanks so much for enrolling and for this message! As the course progresses, let us know how it changes your own reading of the *Odyssey* and your work with your students! Best, Claudia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1220983 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ClaudiaFilos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T19:36:00Z SecondChildTAG: Thank you Claudia! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222095 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SamanthaEve SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-22T03:52:31Z IndexTAG: 957 TitleTAG: Greetings, my fellow peers! Everyone seems to have just done a random salutation. So I shall follow the masses. I am much younger than most everyone here, so please excuse any immature remarks I might (will) make. Very excited!! J'taime, mes cheres! Happy valentines day, to those of you who celebrate it. UserIdTAG: 925287 UserNameTAG: Zimia CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:47:17Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 958 TitleTAG: Greetings from Los Angeles :) from a Getty Villa Docent Welcome! I am excited to begin this course as I am a Getty Villa Docent! I look forward to deepening my understanding of the Ancient Greek hero and world. UserIdTAG: 1196855 UserNameTAG: BethanyJ CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:37:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Fun! I miss the Getty museum! Need to get back home more often! Thank you for being a docent...I have been fortunate to have met so many wonderful docents who enrich the lives of allow us who love museums... With smiles, SamanthaEve FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1222095 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SamanthaEve FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:00:13Z SecondChildTAG: I am a docent at the Getty Center and am looking forward to the information to be presented in this course. Kenneth Elconin MD SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1196235 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Elconin500 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:02:50Z SecondChildTAG: Fabulous! Welcome Kenneth! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1222095 SecondChildUserNameTAG: SamanthaEve SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:29:41Z IndexTAG: 959 TitleTAG: From Costa Rica!!! Hello everybody!!! pura vida ;) UserIdTAG: 971919 UserNameTAG: mjsuarez CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:32:40Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Pura vida FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1254590 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Dalabulu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-23T15:28:54Z IndexTAG: 960 TitleTAG: Hello from Brazil!!! Alas!!!!!!! Alas!!!!!!Alas of me!!!!!!!!! It's needed a moan Greek to show how glad I am to have got this class. GoodFellas allow me to introduce myself, I’m André from Brazil too. And I'm hoping we can find a Greek hero in all of us. A very nice course to everyone. Kisses. UserIdTAG: 945614 UserNameTAG: AndreLeo CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:29:32Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 961 TitleTAG: Hi from South Florida I'm Angie and I'm excited for this class to start but I have a confession to make. The idea of talking to all of you terrifies me. UserIdTAG: 1001619 UserNameTAG: AngieS CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:24:15Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: It's indeed a bit of a mess, because there's a lot of people here... But I guess after the groups are assigned things will get more focused. Anyway, it's great to see so many people from different countries and backgrounds. Have fun! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 FirstChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:40:09Z SecondChildTAG: It is great to see all the different places people are from it should make the discussions interesting. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1001619 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AngieS SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:43:37Z IndexTAG: 962 TitleTAG: Hello from Oregon 'alloo! I am Mike. Excited to be here! UserIdTAG: 945561 UserNameTAG: mcrensi CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:20:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Welcome Mike! Smiles from Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:03:51Z IndexTAG: 963 TitleTAG: Hola! Hello everybody! This is Irene from Madrid, Spain. I wan't to learn more about ancient history and really interest in Ancient one. Hope we enjoy this course a lot! UserIdTAG: 901384 UserNameTAG: IreneLA CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:18:56Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 964 TitleTAG: This is Pedro.. I very happy to be here. Looking forward to the start. UserIdTAG: 916261 UserNameTAG: pangaious CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:17:00Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 965 TitleTAG: Hi from Portugal Greetings to all. UserIdTAG: 1068820 UserNameTAG: falstaff10 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:15:29Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi, fellow students. From Almada - left bank of Tagus River, south of Lisbon - I hope all will go well. I´m a little nervous as I've been out of classes for a good 10 year period. But I've always had a strong penchant for history and for literature. So, I hope that here I'll get the best of 2 worlds! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1092515 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ANTONIETA FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:15:16Z IndexTAG: 966 TitleTAG: Howdy from Texas! Howdy y'all! My name is Nicole and I'm a graduate student from Sam Houston State University in Huntsville, TX. I'm studying college and university administration and I have a particular fascination with all forms of online learning. After I finish my M.A. this summer, I hope to start applying for Ph.D. programs and will probably do my thesis on MOOCs, so I'm trying to experience as many as humanly possible, while I'm focusing on school. UserIdTAG: 644661 UserNameTAG: ElanahAdiel CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:14:58Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Creyo que es necessaria que yo compartir que yo hablo espanol, tambien FirstChildUserIdTAG: 644661 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ElanahAdiel FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:22:40Z IndexTAG: 967 TitleTAG: Καλησπέρα! Ποιος ξερει ελληνικά? ! UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:14:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Εγώ!!! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1080582 FirstChildUserNameTAG: corneliahale FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:54:41Z SecondChildTAG: και εγώ ! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896271 SecondChildUserNameTAG: HelenV SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:01:52Z SecondChildTAG: Ξερετε μηπως ποσο διαρκουν τα μαθηματα αυτα?Και πως ειναι? δινεις εξετασεις για να παρεις στο τελος certificate? Αν ξερετε απαντηστε μου γιατι ειμαι καινουρια σ αυτο! :)) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1143125 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Cathy91 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:31:53Z IndexTAG: 968 TitleTAG: Hello from Houston! I'm excited to be part of this course! UserIdTAG: 1040803 UserNameTAG: Lonne99 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:11:45Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 969 TitleTAG: Hola from Madrid :-) Hello from Madrid :-) UserIdTAG: 901328 UserNameTAG: JHY CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:08:37Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi madrileños: I can see we are a few people from Madrid, so I hope we will be able to exchange opinions in English or Spanish. One doubt: according to the instructions they are going to put available and ebook piece. Do you know if we can read that in our portable computer? Or will it be necessary to have an ebook device? Welcome, Javier R FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1145164 FirstChildUserNameTAG: REBOM58 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T10:26:05Z SecondChildTAG: Saludos desde la UAM SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1133875 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Libelula SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:41:48Z IndexTAG: 970 TitleTAG: Hi from Houston, T Cindy UserIdTAG: 1000736 UserNameTAG: Desi1973 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:04:28Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 971 TitleTAG: Hello from Greece! Hello everybody! I have one question!! How long do these lectures take? Thank you! UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:04:05Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I think as long as it takes you . . . I am spending some hours reading and listening to the videos. I love it. Smiles, June FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:06:34Z IndexTAG: 972 TitleTAG: Hi from Sydney Australia. I am very excited about starting this course... UserIdTAG: 1026945 UserNameTAG: Lorrena27 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:02:26Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello! I am also from Sydney FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168208 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Waldactyl FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:09:59Z IndexTAG: 973 TitleTAG: Please fix date problem on course home! I just noticed the course home page says "Classes StartMar 13, 2012". Admins, please fix the year. UserIdTAG: 1103853 UserNameTAG: domusaurea CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:01:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 974 TitleTAG: Greetings from Paris, France My son and I will be attempting this course. My son is in 6th grade and is studying Greek history. Many moons ago, back in High School, I read most of the required texts for this course but did not really comprehend much at the time. We will also be vacationing in Athens for one week at the beginning of May. UserIdTAG: 639459 UserNameTAG: sls61 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:51:44Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: I spent a lot of time in France growing up, what arrondisement are you in? Welcome to the course! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1196855 FirstChildUserNameTAG: BethanyJ FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:36:48Z SecondChildTAG: 17eme SecondChildUserIdTAG: 639459 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sls61 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:37:47Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, I'm taking this course with my 15-year old son and I bet he knows more about Greek history than I do since he is a wide-reader. Anyway, I hope we all enjoy and learn from this course. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1162314 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EmyIniguez FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T06:15:41Z FirstChildTAG: Paris is my favorite city anywhere in the world. How great to be taking the course with your son. Good luck to all of us. Margaret, who wants to be back in Paris by summer. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1017741 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Margaret22 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T13:15:19Z IndexTAG: 975 TitleTAG: Hello Hello from Crete, Greece. UserIdTAG: 987256 UserNameTAG: gmcguire CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:48:09Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hello from Thessaloniki! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1143125 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Cathy91 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:58:32Z SecondChildTAG: Hello i am Eftichia Kapardeli from Greece SecondChildUserIdTAG: 51769 SecondChildUserNameTAG: eftichiak SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:01:31Z SecondChildTAG: Friends, how close is Greece to revolution? Who are the Heroes of today? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 890764 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jcatgmail SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:42:53Z IndexTAG: 976 TitleTAG: discussion group title Hello can someone tell me is this the discussion group 1000 cohorts spoke of in email and if so whats our name? Thank you Delphine UserIdTAG: 1168003 UserNameTAG: Delphine1 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:41:55Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I don't think our groups have been assigned yet. Best, Ash FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1060467 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AshEB FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:45:42Z IndexTAG: 977 TitleTAG: hi from the uk! Hi, looking forward to the course starting :) UserIdTAG: 1109814 UserNameTAG: orchibu CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:38:49Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Greetings I am from a place called Soddy-Daisy, TN. I am not a native. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 257370 FirstChildUserNameTAG: tpleighton FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:00:12Z IndexTAG: 978 TitleTAG: Greetings from Beatleland Its going to be a whole new experience for me, looking forward to sharing the time with you all. Delphine ( no oracle) Liverpool England UserIdTAG: 1168003 UserNameTAG: Delphine1 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:35:12Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Hi. A new experience for me too. I'm retired and a "decelerating" learner, I suspect. I'm an ex-pat scouser now based in Lancashire and Lanzarote. Like you I'm looking forward to getting started. All the best. Jim. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1144426 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jimco44 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:20:10Z SecondChildTAG: roll up for the mystery tour... SecondChildUserIdTAG: 890764 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jcatgmail SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:40:57Z SecondChildTAG: I am coming up to retirement probably very rusty but worth a try I thought and it is Harvard !!I am sure we ll get there in the end best wishes Delphine SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:37:25Z FirstChildTAG: Hello to you all from sunny (?) Derbyshire, I suppose like Jim I must be decelerating too. Hopefully not to fast though. I thought the same as you Delphine - I have always liked the Greek myths and as it's Harvard then lets give it a go! Cheers, John FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1115702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JohnDakin FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T05:41:30Z FirstChildTAG: Hi all from a Brit living in Australia, smiles . . . FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:28:09Z IndexTAG: 979 TitleTAG: Hello from the OC My name is Victoria, I live in the OC in Southern California. I am graduate of UCI majored in Art History and minored in Classical Languages. Now I teach STEM subjects to children (yeah I know nothing to with the other, but both my passions). I've always had a fascination for Ancient History and Religions. My top 3 are Greek, Egyptian and Etruscan. UserIdTAG: 897699 UserNameTAG: VMunsell CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:33:23Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: OC? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1000020 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lariat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:57:00Z SecondChildTAG: Hard to believe it but we have common interests in Ancient History and Religions. My top 3 are Persian, Greek and Etruscan. :D SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134887 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Dubravko SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:33:22Z FirstChildTAG: OC = Orange County FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1221837 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Heinous FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:59:20Z IndexTAG: 980 TitleTAG: Hi From NJ My name is Amy Gaines and I live in Central NJ. I recently got married 2.5 years ago. I live with my husband and twin 17 year old stepdaughters. They are great. I also have another stepdaughter who has a daughter who is 2. It is a great and enjoyable time as a grandmother and also getting a chance to witness her birth. I am in the process of looking for a new job so going on a bunch of Interviews. I have Bachelors in Marketing from Marywood University and 2 Masters. I have an MBA from University of Phoenix a Masters in Project Management from Keller Graduate School, which I got in 2006. I look forward to learning from everyone. Nice meeting you all. UserIdTAG: 411228 UserNameTAG: aimster CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:30:14Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi Amy, Congratulations on your recent marriage. My name is Pati and I am originally from Central New Jersey. I have one daughter who gave me a granddaughter this past May. I never thought becoming a grandmother could be this exciting. Maybe we'll end up in the same group and have a chance to talk more. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 958085 FirstChildUserNameTAG: PatiMikes FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:13:18Z IndexTAG: 981 TitleTAG: Jmor Good Day to you Professor Nagy UserIdTAG: 1024957 UserNameTAG: wjsmorris CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:30:06Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 982 TitleTAG: Greetings from South Louisiana! I'm so excited to take this course! I have a bachelor's in literature and truly enjoy books. I'm excited to read and discuss Greek mythology. UserIdTAG: 893997 UserNameTAG: blanm2007 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:20:08Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Perhaps I will learn a little something if you post! Smiles from Australia. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:05:09Z IndexTAG: 983 TitleTAG: Hi from Sacramento, CA I am very excited with the opportunity to take this class! As many of us, I read some passages of Homer's Illiad and Oddisey while in high school, I am thinking I will probably read some of the same today only with a different set of eyes. My native language is Spanish, I am originally from Peru and moved to California a number of years ago. Looking forward to an amazing experience, Ursula UserIdTAG: 958062 UserNameTAG: UPP63 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:16:27Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: :) I'm also from Peru, en que ciudad estudiaste? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 698650 FirstChildUserNameTAG: melaniezpdl08 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:29:57Z SecondChildTAG: En Lima, y tu? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 958062 SecondChildUserNameTAG: UPP63 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:10:36Z FirstChildTAG: Hello from the East Bay, good luck with the class. I also plan on reading some of the Illiad before class starts FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1157806 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dgminer FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T23:39:49Z SecondChildTAG: Thanks, same to you, beautiful day in CA, hope it stays this way :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 958062 SecondChildUserNameTAG: UPP63 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T00:11:26Z IndexTAG: 984 TitleTAG: hello from turkey Hi. I am a philosophy student and from istanbul. Hope to be a nice course. UserIdTAG: 1030696 UserNameTAG: esmakyr CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:16:07Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Welcome! Hugs from Peru ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 698650 FirstChildUserNameTAG: melaniezpdl08 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:30:47Z FirstChildTAG: Hey, I was also born in Istanbul. I live in Canada though. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 386029 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gkoleoglu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:31:18Z SecondChildTAG: Merhaba hosgeldin, which university are you in? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1065618 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Merter SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:36:58Z FirstChildTAG: Merhaba hosgeldin, which university are you in? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1065618 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Merter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:37:32Z IndexTAG: 985 TitleTAG: Hi from Ann Arbor, Michigan ! I look forward to working with you! UserIdTAG: 1030001 UserNameTAG: PSantangelo CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:10:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 986 TitleTAG: Hi all you heroes Looking forward to the course! UserIdTAG: 907803 UserNameTAG: Jonagold CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:08:09Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi there! :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 698650 FirstChildUserNameTAG: melaniezpdl08 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:37:12Z IndexTAG: 987 TitleTAG: Hi Everyone! I can't wait for this course to get started! So excited! I love Greek history and all the legends and myths surrounding it. :) UserIdTAG: 1205564 UserNameTAG: MariamK CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:06:27Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Me too !!!! ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 698650 FirstChildUserNameTAG: melaniezpdl08 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:38:44Z IndexTAG: 988 TitleTAG: Hello Hi Everyone fron northern New Jersey. USA UserIdTAG: 1221375 UserNameTAG: Caer CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:06:13Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 989 TitleTAG: Hello from Minnesota I look forward to being in this course. My name is Bob, not very Greek, but in these posts I'll go by the name Percentage. UserIdTAG: 362340 UserNameTAG: percentage CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:05:47Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: A fellow Minnesotan, terrific! Cant wait for it to start. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1138297 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AndiHall FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:11:21Z SecondChildTAG: I'm located in the Twin Cities. This course should be interesting! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 362340 SecondChildUserNameTAG: percentage SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T03:05:46Z IndexTAG: 990 TitleTAG: Hello from Silicon Valley, CA Hello everyone and to those who celebrate the holiday, Happy Valentine's Day. :) My name is Mitzi and I look forward to learning and discussing this interesting course with all of you. UserIdTAG: 1025294 UserNameTAG: MK15m3 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:00:55Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Happy Valentine's Day! I'm looking forward to this course too! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 893997 FirstChildUserNameTAG: blanm2007 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:05:12Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Mitzi, from a fellow Bay learner have fun with the class FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1157806 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dgminer FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T23:41:24Z IndexTAG: 991 TitleTAG: HELLO Hello people, I'm Salvatore from Sicily and I'm happy to attend this course. Since now you can call me Soter, my "Greek name". Saluti a tutti UserIdTAG: 1102655 UserNameTAG: Soter85 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:59:36Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 992 TitleTAG: Hello from the good ol state of Georgia Hey everyone I can't wait to get started! UserIdTAG: 293340 UserNameTAG: SamanthaJ CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:59:29Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi from Dallas, GA. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1000020 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Lariat FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:02:01Z IndexTAG: 993 TitleTAG: Hello from Canada! Hello everyone, my name is Stella and I am looking forward to collaborating with you. UserIdTAG: 87506 UserNameTAG: StudentCU CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:56:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi from Guelph, ON! Hopefully will be Toronto ON by the time we take the finals. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 386029 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gkoleoglu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:34:46Z IndexTAG: 994 TitleTAG: Greetings From the Villa in Pacific Palisades Hello to all fellow docents who are here to learn. Im looking forward to some fun study group time UserIdTAG: 1196180 UserNameTAG: Michele1959 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:54:38Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 995 TitleTAG: Welcome Everyone I am Carlos R Goes from South America Brazil in Porto Alegre City. I would like to welcomes edX members, faculty and staff members. I hope all of you might enjoy this opportunity of learning and sharing. CHeeRs !!! UserIdTAG: 194542 UserNameTAG: goescredx12 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:53:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 996 TitleTAG: Hello from WI. Excited to begin!! UserIdTAG: 374599 UserNameTAG: Jacqui57 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:51:46Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 997 TitleTAG: Good afternoon, everyone. <3 I hope you're all as excited about this as I am! UserIdTAG: 1072798 UserNameTAG: aprilrose CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:40:52Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: hi AprilRose, what a lovely name. Smiles from June in Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:04:27Z IndexTAG: 998 TitleTAG: First Discussion Hello from Foley, Alabama! UserIdTAG: 1157925 UserNameTAG: MoTay CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:40:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Well, I think I already screwed up and I am commenting on my own Post. I doubt that you will believe anything I say now... I will remain a Southern Woman of Mystery. :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1157925 FirstChildUserNameTAG: MoTay FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:44:12Z SecondChildTAG: :) so funny! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1025883 SecondChildUserNameTAG: maria_alves SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:48:39Z SecondChildTAG: Glad I am or the only one who comments on their own posts. I am also very skillful and sending myself emails, too. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 999422 SecondChildUserNameTAG: JayPsyD SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:12:00Z SecondChildTAG: guess your anxious to get going. lol Mycloud SecondChildUserIdTAG: 731204 SecondChildUserNameTAG: mycloud SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T00:02:30Z SecondChildTAG: :) I am a fellow Southern Woman of Mystery SecondChildUserIdTAG: 949334 SecondChildUserNameTAG: RebeccaS SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:30:13Z IndexTAG: 999 TitleTAG: One more Brazilian. Hello all, I'm glad to be here. My name is Juliana Bastos Marques and I'm a lecturer in Ancient History at Federal University of Rio de Janeiro State - UNIRIO. I joined this course because I'm also researching technologies in education (I work with the Wikipedia Education Program - http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education_Portal), so I'm very curious to see how these MOOCs work within the fields of History and Classics. I'm a specialist in Roman historiography, so some of the things here will be somewhat unfamiliar to me as well. I'm eager to see what comes out of the discussions, though I'm afraid the total volume of posts will be a bit overwhelming... :) Aos que falam português: fico muito feliz em ver tantos interessados! Bom curso a todos! UserIdTAG: 1103853 UserNameTAG: domusaurea CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:40:03Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Muito bom. Não sei de nada sobre o assunto, mas adoro literatura antiga. Logo, espero aproveitar. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1025883 FirstChildUserNameTAG: maria_alves FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:49:39Z SecondChildTAG: Mais para frente podemos ver alguma bibliografia em português para ajudar. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 SecondChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:03:51Z FirstChildTAG: Awesome, one more brazilian! And great curriculum, hope we can talk! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1037033 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Larissaguimaraes FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:26:29Z SecondChildTAG: Larissa, entre no nosso grupo em português no Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheAncientGreekHeroPT/. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 SecondChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:28:27Z IndexTAG: 1000 TitleTAG: Hi from Uzbekistan! Hello classmates! I´m so glad to meet you all, it will be a great course and very interesting experience, I´m sure! UserIdTAG: 1116995 UserNameTAG: Denali CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:39:30Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 1001 TitleTAG: How do I find the readings? "All required texts can be accessed for free on the course website." But the website does not have this under any of the menu selections: Courseware, Course Info, Discussion, Wiki, Syllabus, Advice for Students. Is there some other place to look? Tnx UserIdTAG: 1170898 UserNameTAG: RiverCoachman CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:37:25Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I believe the texts haven't been posted yet. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 FirstChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:40:29Z SecondChildTAG: As the course will start March 13 that would be resonable. Have you read the email from the course staff? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1186376 SecondChildUserNameTAG: atrollonius SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T09:10:24Z IndexTAG: 1002 TitleTAG: Hello from a Spanish in Puerto Rico Looking forward to sharing thoughts with all of you! UserIdTAG: 838865 UserNameTAG: ddbeatriz CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:35:53Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello! I'm a spanish in Spain FirstChildUserIdTAG: 540782 FirstChildUserNameTAG: chus1818 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:01:42Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from a Puertorican in Puerto Rico SecondChildUserIdTAG: 921040 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LKnight SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:07:28Z SecondChildTAG: Hello from a Mexican in México! haha :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 957972 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lluvia79 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T16:52:33Z SecondChildTAG: hola de este gringo en CT SecondChildUserIdTAG: 890764 SecondChildUserNameTAG: jcatgmail SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T05:32:13Z IndexTAG: 1003 TitleTAG: Hello everybody, greetings from Colombia Is so nice to see people from all parts of the world coming together to achieve a good cause, free education of quality, i wish you the best to all you. UserIdTAG: 517559 UserNameTAG: harry24 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:35:29Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Thanks countrymate, the best for you same. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1004968 FirstChildUserNameTAG: CesarIG FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T04:16:23Z FirstChildTAG: Colombia presente por aquí también. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1098342 FirstChildUserNameTAG: SergioApolinar FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T07:13:39Z IndexTAG: 1004 TitleTAG: Hi from Istanbul,Turkey Hi , My name is Merter. I am curious about the course. It is going to be my first online education. I really look forward it. Warm regards , Merter UserIdTAG: 1065618 UserNameTAG: Merter CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:35:14Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi, My name is Gun. I was born in Istanbul but now live in Canada. Look forward to studying with you guys. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 386029 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gkoleoglu FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:35:41Z IndexTAG: 1005 TitleTAG: Hello from El Salvador It will be great to share with you!!!! UserIdTAG: 786278 UserNameTAG: nelsonadpa CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:32:26Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hola!! yo soy de Guatemala!!! mucho gusto!! =) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1104996 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Tefis555 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-26T05:18:49Z IndexTAG: 1006 TitleTAG: Greetings from Uruguay Hello! My name is Natalia, I am 27 years old and I've been reading greek mythology since I was 7 (I actually had my mother read me while I was eating dinner)... Having a background in Economics and Marketing, Humanities still hold a huge appeal to my mind, and so that is why I decided to take on this course... I am craving and anticipating the discussions on the topics of the course. UserIdTAG: 987700 UserNameTAG: Natalia_0207 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:29:22Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: It looks like we have fairly similar backgrounds :) I'm Chilean, 32 years old, and my mother handed me over a copy of the Odyssey when I was 7 or so. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1013386 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RitaJosefina FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:44:59Z SecondChildTAG: I'm Uruguayan too. I'm studying Literature and, though my first interests are fantastic literature and ancient Scandinavian literature, this one which we will try looks like very interesting. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1062920 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lokasenna SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T23:10:51Z SecondChildTAG: Oops, and my name is Valentín. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1062920 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Lokasenna SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-18T23:18:49Z IndexTAG: 1007 TitleTAG: Good evening from south west UK Hi all, my name is George and judging from the greetings I've read I seem to be one of the youngest here (I'm 16) - which is a little daunting but definitely exciting. Also, I am amazed at how friendly everyone on this course is already and at the number of different nationalities enrolled on "The Ancient Greek Hero" course. This is certainly a great opportunity. Cheers. George UserIdTAG: 131709 UserNameTAG: guaranteeist CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:24:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Good luck George! My daughter (15) will be following along to see if she wants to attempt a class later this year. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 949334 FirstChildUserNameTAG: RebeccaS FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T15:29:01Z FirstChildTAG: Hi George! Nice to see you here! Hope that it´ll be a great opportunity to learn something new and to share our knowledge FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1116995 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Denali FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:34:54Z IndexTAG: 1008 TitleTAG: greetings greetings from tennessee UserIdTAG: 224003 UserNameTAG: keithpagea CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:23:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 1009 TitleTAG: Hello, from Portugal Hello, my name is Valeriano. I really like this area and I look forward to starting the course, because I love Greek mythology. UserIdTAG: 454901 UserNameTAG: valerianopego CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:22:17Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 1010 TitleTAG: greetings Nello and enjoy from Pennsylvania. UserIdTAG: 1098224 UserNameTAG: meats CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:19:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I am from the Chicago area. I taught Greek Mythology to 8th graders for many years and loved it. Now I want to learn more. Susan FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1198243 FirstChildUserNameTAG: susan46 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:56:18Z IndexTAG: 1011 TitleTAG: Hi from East Harlem in New York City Im a nervous wreck. Newbie to online courses. Too old to remember my last class in an educational institution. UserIdTAG: 1119230 UserNameTAG: twitcher2 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:17:40Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Hi - I'm new to online courses as well. We'll make it through alright, I'm sure of it! Jeanne :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 890680 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Jeanne_Burke FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:20:37Z FirstChildTAG: Thanks for the support. Dharma :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1119230 FirstChildUserNameTAG: twitcher2 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:25:50Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone. I'm really looking forward to attending an online course. My name is Dubravko and I am from Croatia. I'm a graduate student of history and pedagogy and to be honest I am also very happy to see how many paople from all around the world are going to attend this course. What else to say than counting days until online lectures start ! :D Dubravko :D FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1134887 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Dubravko FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:33:32Z FirstChildTAG: I got both my masters online and i am currently attending a class online through edx.org so this will be another one. it is great online. you get to meet and learn from so many people. If people want communication on the phone is also helpful. Look forward to learning from everyone and if you need any help you can email me at aimstermill51@aol.com FirstChildUserIdTAG: 411228 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aimster FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:06:59Z IndexTAG: 1012 TitleTAG: Hello!! From State College Pennsylvania Hello to all, I am Kathy Smith and I registered for this course because I love Greek Mythology. UserIdTAG: undefined UserNameTAG: undefined CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:14:19Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 1013 TitleTAG: Greetings from a neuropsychologist! Greetings fellow classmates. Very much looking forward to the opening of the course! Have a fine time everyone. Cheers, -Anthony UserIdTAG: 904352 UserNameTAG: AnthonyRisser CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:11:25Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: Cool... I hope you can tell everyone why they are taking this course.. lol :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 972803 FirstChildUserNameTAG: pathos FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T12:57:07Z FirstChildTAG: what do you think of stan tatkin's work? FirstChildUserIdTAG: 890764 FirstChildUserNameTAG: jcatgmail FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T06:03:49Z SecondChildTAG: Hi jcatgmail. Unfortunately, I don't know the person or his work. Cheers, -Anthony SecondChildUserIdTAG: 904352 SecondChildUserNameTAG: AnthonyRisser SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-23T00:27:12Z FirstChildTAG: All set to get started! Greetings everyone! Cheers, -Anthony FirstChildUserIdTAG: 904352 FirstChildUserNameTAG: AnthonyRisser FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-03-09T19:55:09Z IndexTAG: 1014 TitleTAG: Good Snowy Afternoon from Wyoming! Hello all -- I'm thrilled to be part of this course, and so looking forward to reading and writing with all of you. I talked my mom into joining the course as well! Leslie UserIdTAG: 1138427 UserNameTAG: badassturtle CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:09:05Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 1015 TitleTAG: Hello from Sacramento. I am very happy to be a part of this group which has already begun to consider the Greek hero, and I am grateful for our instructor's opening remarks about Socratic method. My exposure to Greek literature has been limited to Bulfinch's Mythology, Hawthorne's Tanglewood Tales, Sophie's World, and whatever animated bowlderizations Disney has forced upon me. I do not feel badly about this as I have heard that even Shakespeare's exposure to Greek was limited, and he did okay for himself. I hope to learn some philosophy, read some good stories, and participate in discussions that modernize the experience. See y'all around :) -Jeff Silverstein UserIdTAG: 1176346 UserNameTAG: JeffSilverstein CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:05:50Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 1016 TitleTAG: Howdy do to you from Redbridge, UK Am really looking forward to this course! How wonderful of Harvard and Prof. Nagy to provide this course completely online and for free too... Good times! UserIdTAG: 50592 UserNameTAG: joeselliott CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:02:15Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: We are certainly blessed, Smiles from June in Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:02:57Z IndexTAG: 1017 TitleTAG: hello from Brasil Hello all. I am Joelma. I live in Brasil, Brasília/DC. I'm super excited to join the discussions about this course. All the best. UserIdTAG: 951406 UserNameTAG: Joelmachaves CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:00:27Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 7 FirstChildTAG: Joelma, também sou do Brasil. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 926334 FirstChildUserNameTAG: OlavoBarreto FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:02:26Z SecondChildTAG: One more Brazilian here!!! Hello!!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1213783 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Chrisfontenele SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:09:58Z SecondChildTAG: Olá, tbm sou do Brasil (BH/MG). SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1014636 SecondChildUserNameTAG: M13 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:21:29Z SecondChildTAG: Hello!!!I look forward to chatting with you all! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 951406 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Joelmachaves SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:22:24Z SecondChildTAG: Criamos um grupo no Facebook em Português para compartilhar os textos traduzidos, links complementares, discussões e dúvidas. Pra quem ainda não está no nosso grupo, segue o link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/ SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:28:53Z SecondChildTAG: Also from Brazil folks!!! Salvador is here! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 162926 SecondChildUserNameTAG: danreis SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:49:47Z FirstChildTAG: Olá, Olavo! Estou animadíssima para fazer o curso! HIstória grega tem alguma relação com o seu trabalho? Apesar de ser jornalista, estou fazendo mestrado em filosofia e acho que o curso vai me ajudar muito. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 951406 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Joelmachaves FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:07:36Z SecondChildTAG: Joelma, sou estudo Letras na UFCG na Paraíba. E atualmente tenho estudado muito a cultura antiga. Acredito que o curso me ajudará a agregar mais informações sobre a cultura grega de forma bastante expressiva. Um abraço. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 926334 SecondChildUserNameTAG: OlavoBarreto SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:19:35Z SecondChildTAG: Nice, I hope we can talk about the topic! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1221469 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Miarka SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:24:23Z FirstChildTAG: Hello!!! One more Brazilian here! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1213783 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Chrisfontenele FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:13:44Z FirstChildTAG: Grupo de Estudos em Português https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/ FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:38:50Z FirstChildTAG: Hello everyone, another Brazilian here. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1085004 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DiegoUNIRIO FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:56:04Z FirstChildTAG: Hello folks... Brazil is here!!! Salvador is here! I'm very excited! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 162926 FirstChildUserNameTAG: danreis FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-15T01:50:23Z FirstChildTAG: Olá Pessoal, sou do Brasil. Moro em Santa Maria-RS e sou acadêmico de Filosofia - UFSM FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1272690 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Wilder00 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-28T14:54:09Z IndexTAG: 1018 TitleTAG: Hi everyone, greetings from The Netherlands Hello all, this is my first course and I'm looking forward to it very much. I'm a translator and after having translated several books on the Ancient Greeks, I would like to dig deeper in their history. I'm sure it will be exciting and fascinating! UserIdTAG: 943694 UserNameTAG: MyleneYvette CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:59:37Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hey, good to know I'm not the only course student living in The Netherlands... (actually I'm German though). Hope we will enjoy the course. Greetings from Leiden! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1206283 FirstChildUserNameTAG: JD81 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:33:03Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, greetings from Oss! I'm so looking forward to this course, hope you are too! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 943694 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MyleneYvette SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:52:48Z IndexTAG: 1019 TitleTAG: God bless Hellas We are going to go ancient times with this course I wish. UserIdTAG: 924026 UserNameTAG: Honour CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:59:02Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: I am not sure that would be very healthy for us. In our minds is safer! Smiles from Austrlia. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:08:23Z IndexTAG: 1020 TitleTAG: Hello everyone, here you talk a Brazilian!! Olá senhores colegas de curso, professor e tutores... sou brasileiro e com muita felicidade estou fazendo este curso. Um abraço a todos. UserIdTAG: 926334 UserNameTAG: OlavoBarreto CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:53:54Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 984634 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Yannic85 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:00:04Z FirstChildTAG: Olá, Olavo! Estou animadíssima para fazer o curso! HIstória grega tem alguma relação com o seu trabalho? Apesar de ser jornalista, estou fazendo mestrado em filosofia e acho que o curso vai me ajudar muito. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 951406 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Joelmachaves FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:09:53Z SecondChildTAG: que genial! Fez jornalismo aonde? SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1037033 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Larissaguimaraes SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:24:42Z FirstChildTAG: **Grupo de Estudos em Português** https://www.facebook.com/groups/470526913007426/ Join Us! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 FirstChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:39:14Z IndexTAG: 1021 TitleTAG: Hello to all from London, I'm an Athenian, raised in California, who moved from Athens to London a few years ago. I am really looking forward to this course. I am an Art Historian by trade. Very impressed to see so many different people from a variety of countries participating! UserIdTAG: 1144118 UserNameTAG: ArtemisiaGentileschi0 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:47:57Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 1022 TitleTAG: Can't wait!!! HI everybody!!! Excited to start this class.I am a Michigan native but would love to visit Greece and a few other spots. UserIdTAG: 716669 UserNameTAG: kimslaw CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:46:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 1023 TitleTAG: Hi there, from England I've enjoyed Greek and Roman myths and stories from childhood (in translation, I never learned Greek and my Latin's very rusty) but only for pleasure, I've never read them as part of a course. I'm looking forward to going into more depth. Bernadette UserIdTAG: 1133064 UserNameTAG: Bebe49 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:36:37Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hello Bernadette, really looking forward to finding out more. Nobody could be rustier than me! Delphine in Liverpool FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1168003 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Delphine1 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:47:21Z IndexTAG: 1024 TitleTAG: Salutations! Warmest of greetings from sunny South Africa! Definitely looking forward to this course, not only because I love the all concepts of heroes, but also I believe it will help me with my writings! UserIdTAG: 986967 UserNameTAG: shadowwalkerza CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:36:37Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 1025 TitleTAG: Hello from Berkeley, California! Hi MOOC Classmates - I am an online instructional designer from Berkeley California, looking forward to learning about ancient Greek heros (and also spying on the inner workings of a Harvard MOOC!). Please reach out if you are in California or have an interest, or just want to say hello. Best, Kara UserIdTAG: 1073797 UserNameTAG: klganter CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:35:24Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 4 FirstChildTAG: Hey Kara!!! Im from SF actually, and am excited to be discussing the material with you :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:01:21Z SecondChildTAG: Hi, Kara, nice to meet you! I'm in Berkeley too! Tristan SecondChildUserIdTAG: 896974 SecondChildUserNameTAG: tristandestry SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T02:23:03Z SecondChildTAG: Great to meet you both! We can represent the Bay Area :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1073797 SecondChildUserNameTAG: klganter SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T19:06:02Z FirstChildTAG: Hi, Kara, I teach philosophy online at a community college in Northern California. Greetings! Cheerily, Dan FirstChildUserIdTAG: 909939 FirstChildUserNameTAG: dbarnett99 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:10:14Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Dan, Thanks for the message! Very interesting that you teach philosophy online! I actually work at Berkeley Law. I'd be interested to hear how you modify your methods to teach such a non-objective, traditionally discussion-based subject matter. Many of our faculty express skepticism regarding the efficacy of online learning for legal education, which (as you know) is heavy in philosophy. Looking forward to our connection, Kara SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1073797 SecondChildUserNameTAG: klganter SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:34:00Z FirstChildTAG: I am also very interested on the MOOC methodology for this course, and I'd love to discuss it with others who are also into online course design issues. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1103853 FirstChildUserNameTAG: domusaurea FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:08:24Z SecondChildTAG: Perfect! Let's keep the dialogue open about our observations! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1073797 SecondChildUserNameTAG: klganter SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T19:06:41Z FirstChildTAG: Kara, That is so funny to read I'm at Penn State, same field!!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1009844 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Ksmith5111 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T22:00:58Z SecondChildTAG: Hey! Awesome. Have you taken a MOOC before? If you don't mind sharing, what school do you work in? I'm at Berkeley Law. We are rolling out our first online courses through the law school this summer. It is an exciting project. Our Dean is highly motivated and engaged in online education on both the state and national levels and really wants to put out quality online legal education. Look forward to chatting with you more about what Penn State is doing ;) Kara SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1073797 SecondChildUserNameTAG: klganter SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-19T19:08:48Z IndexTAG: 1026 TitleTAG: Ahoy from Maine, USA Hello World, I'm Darrell, and I live in a small house in the woods. Long have I dreamed of taking a fully-fledged course from my home- really, it's been a long time! This opportunity to take Prf. Nagy's class from Harvardex is nothing short of epic (I am given to understand from my two adolescents that this word is often over-used and less than understood, but I stand by my assertion). We recently gained access to high-bandwidth internet and my solar-powered laptop computer could not be happier. I look forward to further communication with you all. Darrell (PeaceAnt) UserIdTAG: 1013610 UserNameTAG: PeaceAnt CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:35:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi Darrell, I love the Maine wilderness! I rode my bike through New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, over the Green Mountains to Acadia, a few summers ago. Now that was another epic journey! Looking forward to the class, as well. Kara . . . from the Left Coast ;) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1073797 FirstChildUserNameTAG: klganter FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:38:07Z SecondChildTAG: Hi Darrell -- My husband and I both hiked through Maine when we thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail. Now living in Wyoming, but we always think fondly of Maine. Leslie SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1138427 SecondChildUserNameTAG: badassturtle SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:02:13Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Darrell-- I, too, am a Mainer! And I am happy to see a "neighbor" enrolled in the course. Sam FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1077705 FirstChildUserNameTAG: samazon FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:05:10Z IndexTAG: 1027 TitleTAG: grettings and hugs from Colombia. we will have an unforgettable course! UserIdTAG: 1178975 UserNameTAG: johanpinilla CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:32:42Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hola, también soy de Colombia, podriamos hacer grupo d estudio ya q mi inglés es un poco flojo. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 984634 FirstChildUserNameTAG: Yannic85 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T20:04:31Z IndexTAG: 1028 TitleTAG: Hi from rainy England! Hi CB22x students! I was so glad to receive the email confirming the start date for the course. Looking forward to learning about the Ancient Greek world :D Claire UserIdTAG: 983722 UserNameTAG: ClaireEmily1 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:32:15Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: So am I! I was a little worried I had missed it lol Looking forward to chatting with you too!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:38:41Z IndexTAG: 1029 TitleTAG: Acropolis I visited the Parthenon in my 40's and was stunned by the magnificence of that building in particular and the surroundings in general. I also had a strong sense that neither architecture nor human relations had improved to an extent anything like, say, technology in the centuries since it was constructed. Now it's 20 years later and I hope to learn more about that world. UserIdTAG: 1001001 UserNameTAG: chrisweinmann CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:24:22Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 0 IndexTAG: 1030 TitleTAG: Hello from Belgrade Nice to meet you all, I hope we will have great time learning and exploring. I'm attending ph.D. program in Legal History, and looking forward to spread my knowlegde. All the best, T. UserIdTAG: 1173084 UserNameTAG: Tamara88 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:22:43Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: THANKS FOR EVERYTHING FirstChildUserIdTAG: 51769 FirstChildUserNameTAG: eftichiak FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:25:47Z SecondChildTAG: Nice to meet you too :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1134887 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Dubravko SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T23:35:49Z SecondChildTAG: :) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1173084 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Tamara88 SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-16T21:05:47Z IndexTAG: 1031 TitleTAG: I'm sure this course is going to be unforgettable! Good luck to everyone! This is going to be fun and educational! UserIdTAG: 942603 UserNameTAG: DionysusEm CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:57:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hear hear ! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 989872 FirstChildUserNameTAG: EAK63 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:48:58Z FirstChildTAG: I agree! Looking forward to it!! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:29:24Z SecondChildTAG: I agree lookint forward to it also SecondChildUserIdTAG: 411228 SecondChildUserNameTAG: aimster SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T21:10:21Z IndexTAG: 1032 TitleTAG: Buon giorno! Greetings! This is my first course with Harvardx and I am so excited. I love philosophy and cannot wait to dive in!! UserIdTAG: 1145370 UserNameTAG: tgglt62 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:56:39Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Philosophy huh? Good to have that in this course looking forward to it :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:29:14Z IndexTAG: 1033 TitleTAG: Hello I am Samuel and I am from Guyana. I am looking forward to a great time in exchanging knowledge, ideas, perspectives and ideologies about Ancient Greek Heroes. XXX UserIdTAG: 940316 UserNameTAG: Elshadai24 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:52:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Im from the US Im looking forward to exchanging ideas :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:26:43Z IndexTAG: 1034 TitleTAG: libardo My first language is Spanish. When I read La Iliada and La Odisea, I was very impressed by the author of this extraordinary narrative. These books opened my mind to the most passionate civilization,the Greek civilization. Since that time I read every single book related to the Greeks. I am very exited to start this course in order to learn more and also be part of the story. UserIdTAG: 968112 UserNameTAG: libardoangarita CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:41:41Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Thats very exciting, especially the connection you made with Spanish literature and now Greek. Im looking forward to working with you :) FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:26:27Z SecondChildTAG: I second that! Welcome Libardo! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 994402 SecondChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-04-05T10:21:03Z IndexTAG: 1035 TitleTAG: Hello Hello everyone! My name is Patrick and my wife and I have just returned from a six day trip to Greece. We had the opportunity to explore Thessaloniki and Athens. If you have never been to Greece I highly recommend finding the time and opportunity as you will not be disappointed. I look forward to getting to know as many of you as possible and start exploring my new found fascination with the Greek culture. UserIdTAG: 1211485 UserNameTAG: patrick21 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:36:28Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Wow thats exciting! I always wanted to travel, and Im looking forward to discussing the material with you! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1026669 FirstChildUserNameTAG: gavius113 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:25:46Z IndexTAG: 1036 TitleTAG: Hi Hello, my name is Ana María Buitrago. I am from Colombia and I attend university in Russia, I study Political Science. I am looking forward to this course. It´s my first one on edX and when I was in school I loved greek mythology. UserIdTAG: 1054783 UserNameTAG: anamabuitrago CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:15:10Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hello! My name is Panos. I am from Greece. Ι graduated in European History. Good beginning. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1166318 FirstChildUserNameTAG: panos19 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:38:40Z SecondChildTAG: Helloo! My name is Letícia Moraes (22 years) and I am Brazilian. I graduated in Literature and Linguistics. I`m so happy to be here :-) SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1138702 SecondChildUserNameTAG: LeticiaBrazil SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:50:42Z SecondChildTAG: Hi! My name is Arseny, I'm from Russia. I graduated in Philosophy, my main field of study was the history and theory of myth in ancient and modern times. Nice to meet you all! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1075977 SecondChildUserNameTAG: Thainen SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:55:56Z FirstChildTAG: Welcome Ana María! We look forward to an exciting course and enjoyable interaction. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 621902 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DonJuan77 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:19:49Z IndexTAG: 1037 TitleTAG: Greetings I'm excited to be taking this course. I haven't read any Greek mythology since college so it will be nice to return to it and refresh my experience of it. I'm from Boston and am also very interested in seeing how these MOOCs work. UserIdTAG: 1164328 UserNameTAG: JER765 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:11:34Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 3 FirstChildTAG: I did read some Greek Mythology a few years ago, but after seeing some of Dr. Nagy's lectures, along with his assistants, I am really excited about the course. Unseasonal! My mind does not grasp it well. Anyway this will be extremely short, however my sincere gratitude to the consortium for making this possible and for Dr. Drew Faust for bringing it to my attention on CNBC with María Bartiromo. Best of luck to everyone! FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1018253 FirstChildUserNameTAG: woodrowdunn FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:27:41Z FirstChildTAG: I learned about this in Greek and Roman Mythology from Penn State at Coursera...a great course that whetted my appetite for more. FirstChildUserIdTAG: 844896 FirstChildUserNameTAG: macelle FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:37:50Z FirstChildTAG: Greetings from the edge of Texas FirstChildUserIdTAG: 878192 FirstChildUserNameTAG: spacemerc FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:54:43Z IndexTAG: 1038 TitleTAG: Greetings Everyone! I am currently a full time Student at a local Community Collage going for my AS Teacher Preparation, afterwords I plan on going for the Accelerated Masters Program. The field I'd like to teach is High School History, then work my way towards Post-Secondary Teaching. I find this course interesting, so that is why I am taking it. Looking forward to this class, the students, and learning something new from a different prospective. This is also not my first course on edX.org I'm currently enrolled in one, and I'm currently enrolled in quite a few on coursera.org UserIdTAG: 970346 UserNameTAG: jjones1986 CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:07:47Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 1 FirstChildTAG: Hi JJones. Is English your first language? 'Collage' is a word but should be spelled 'college' in this regard. Same with 'prospective' it should be spelled 'perspective in this case.' 'Afterwords' is 'afterwards.' Happy to assist. Smiles, Ozdigg from Australia FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:24:11Z IndexTAG: 1039 TitleTAG: Greetings Good afternoom, my name is Juan David Castro, I'm from Bogotà (Colombia). I signed up for this course because I really love history and I hope to lern as much as possible. UserIdTAG: 277923 UserNameTAG: JuanCastro CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:00:31Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: parce, yo soy de Pasto pero vivo en medellin... ahi estamos en contacto... FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1019059 FirstChildUserNameTAG: 77themis77 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:05:29Z SecondChildTAG: Marcela, soy de MÉXICO y tambien deseo aprender mucho SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1216367 SecondChildUserNameTAG: MCRANGEL SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:34:20Z SecondChildTAG: Hello PAISANOS, I am from Boyaca, but I am at Miami Florida. Let me know if any of you need help. Un abrazote Sus Mercedes!! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 968112 SecondChildUserNameTAG: libardoangarita SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:47:29Z SecondChildTAG: Qué bueno encotrar colombianos acá. Soy de Manizales, un saludo a todos. SecondChildUserIdTAG: 160751 SecondChildUserNameTAG: sebasdlrp SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:52:42Z SecondChildTAG: Otro por aca de Bogota! SecondChildUserIdTAG: 1149461 SecondChildUserNameTAG: fvillabon SecondChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-20T16:50:00Z FirstChildTAG: Nice to meet you. I am John Munene from Nairobi (Kenya). I too am looking forward to this course with great enthusiasm as I am quite fascinated by ancient Greek history. Hope to learn a lot from this course and interact with some great people. Kind regards FirstChildUserIdTAG: 621902 FirstChildUserNameTAG: DonJuan77 FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:14:32Z IndexTAG: 1040 TitleTAG: Hello Hello! My name is Sylvia and I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. I'm looking forward to this course as it has been many years since I've been involved in formal coursework and, as a semi-retired archaeologist/anthropologist, I want to learn about ancient Greek culture. UserIdTAG: 1158804 UserNameTAG: SylviaMaria CreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T18:00:21Z VoteTAG:0 CoursewareTAG: undefined CommentableIdTAG: i4x-HarvardX-CB22x-course-2013_Spring NumberOfReplyTAG: 2 FirstChildTAG: Hi Sylvia and especial greetings from Australia. I too am semi retired and writing so not planning on staying that way. I have loved the Greek myths since childhood and am looking forward to this brilliant opportunity to learn and discuss. Smiles, Ozdigg FirstChildUserIdTAG: 994402 FirstChildUserNameTAG: ozdigg FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-14T19:28:24Z FirstChildTAG: Hi Sylvia! <3 FirstChildUserIdTAG: 1072798 FirstChildUserNameTAG: aprilrose FirstChildCreateTimeTAG: 2013-02-17T22:14:27Z