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Re: Good book on Dylan?



In article <YDJx6.69$I5.3689@stones>, "Mark Jordan" 
<mark_jordan@nospam.ieee.org> wrote:

> "Scott Ribe" <scott_ribe@killerbytes.com> wrote in message
> news:200103311954.OAA24026@life.ai.mit.edu...
> > On Sat, Mar 31, 2001, Mark Jordan <mark_jordan@nospam.ieee.org> wrote:
> >
> > >It's no wonder that it's so quiet around here, nobody even knows that
> > >Dylan exists! I'm beginning to wonder if there's some fatal flaw I 
> > >haven't
> > >spotted yet...
> >
> > Yeah, technical quality doesn't make a language well-known. For that 
> > you
> > need 100s of millions of dollars to spread lies so pervasively and
> > persistently that they become widely believed. Reference Java and C# 
> > for
> > examples of how this is done ;-)
> 
> What I'm wondering is why Microsoft invented C# and Sun
> invented Java when there are languages like Dylan around
> just waiting to be used? Maybe they didn't know about it?
> If that's the case, it doesn't say much about the quality of
> their researchers.

I think Sun have an excuse.  The development of Dylan and Java were 
taking place at pretty much the same time, it's just that Dylan got 
completely designed before it got implemented, while Java was pushed out 
half (to be generous) finished.

I believed at the time (and I still do) that Apple made a strategic 
mistake in going for a brand new full-blown world-beating IDE right from 
the start, rather than getting an MPW-hosted command line compiler out 
the door several years earlier.


As for Microsoft ... well, Dylan wouldn't give them lock-in to Windows 
the way .NET does, would it?

-- Bruce



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