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Re: bindings and assignments (was: Re: continuations)
Scott: I completely understand and share your perspective. Back through
95-00.. my personal experience w/ the JCP (it didn't exist in the form it
presently does, but in a very different form) has been entirely and
uniformly unpleasant to say the least -- I could point to several areas
(TimeZones, i/o, collections, java2d, awt/swing etc. where my experience
mirrors others who've had similar issues). Rick Ross even founded the
javalobby.org partly out of frustration w/ his company's experience w/
java2d (I think). At that time, I actually found the MSFT evangelists for
Java and their dev. groups much more responsive. It's a real pity that C#
even exists..
All in all however, Sun and Java are in the platform game.. and they must
make decisions not entirely based on technical considerations that you and
I and perhaps others on this group share. So while I'm frustrated.. I still
choose to see the cup as half full.
And, btw, those of us in Boston should be used to this feeling -- you know
.. the one about "unrealized potential". I'm not talking about Lisp or
Thinking Machines -- it's August and the Sox just lost 2 out of 3 to the
A's :)
Scott McKay
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Re: bindings and assignments (was:
Re: continuations)
At 2:58 PM -0400 8/21/03, sundar@ascent.com wrote:
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>Unlike Scott though, I wouldn't ascribe this sort of end result to
>laziness.. people get awfully defensive w/ words like that after all. I
>have personally rationalized a lot of the decisions in Java (and Lisp) as
>decisions/judgements made wrt. allocation of resources under the
>constraints that particular groups of people faced at particular points in
>time. It's not right or wrong.. it's just reasonable .. and it's the way
>the world works. And of course, we can make it better next time around.
>
>
Yeah, sorry about that. Java really raises my hackles
in a way that makes me more immoderate than I normally
am. It's the huge gap between what Java could have
been and what it actually is that I find so annoying,
when coupled with the hype.