It doesn't have anything to do with Dylan directly. But seeing an Addison-Wesley book on programming in Ruby on the shelf at the local tech bookstore gives me hope that maybe the markteplace is maturing to the point that there is room for a few modern languages in addition to warmed-over 70s ideas. Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice