> > And you're right: we were not out to win over the Lisp programmers; > we were after the C++ programmers. We managed to drag a lot of them > about halfway to Lisp. ``Halfway''? Halfway from *where*?! Sure Java is closer than C++, but `Halfway to Lisp'? > Aren't you happy? I hack Lisp and Scheme for a living: I'm happy.