Since we're at it, have any of you ever examined Pliant? http://pliant.cx/ [ François-René ÐVB Rideau | Reflection&Cybernethics | http://fare.tunes.org ] [ TUNES project for a Free Reflective Computing System | http://tunes.org ] First, they said Java was good for app-lets; then they recoiled, and said it was good for serv-lets; actually, what it's good for is toy-lets.